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	<title>Comments on: UJ, Ikeys to host semis</title>
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		<title>By: crazy monkey(crazy monkey)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/03/21/uj-ikeys-to-host-semis/#comment-1826928</link>
		<dc:creator>crazy monkey(crazy monkey)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[let&#039;s not too carried away about Lobberts playing. The guy can barely be called a provincial player anymore, he&#039;s under 25 and UCT is his club. This isn&#039;t Maties selecting Joe Pietersen in 2008, who had been playing for the Stormers that same season. Also, there was a request from WP to give him some game time and with the Fleckie/ Dobson connection to the club, UCT were happy to oblige. 

Let&#039;s not forget that UCT are the only really amateur team in the competition. None of the players get paid, all the support staff and coached volunteer their time for free. With regards to the actual students in the team, none of them get any special treatment from the university - they have to meet UCT entry criteria, which is much higher than other universities, like Stellenbosch. 
Compare that to Tukkies who pay their players and offer them scholarships, and are reported to have a budget upwards of R5 million.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s not too carried away about Lobberts playing. The guy can barely be called a provincial player anymore, he&#8217;s under 25 and UCT is his club. This isn&#8217;t Maties selecting Joe Pietersen in 2008, who had been playing for the Stormers that same season. Also, there was a request from WP to give him some game time and with the Fleckie/ Dobson connection to the club, UCT were happy to oblige. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that UCT are the only really amateur team in the competition. None of the players get paid, all the support staff and coached volunteer their time for free. With regards to the actual students in the team, none of them get any special treatment from the university &#8211; they have to meet UCT entry criteria, which is much higher than other universities, like Stellenbosch.<br />
Compare that to Tukkies who pay their players and offer them scholarships, and are reported to have a budget upwards of R5 million.</p>
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		<title>By: iori Yagami(iori Yagami)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/03/21/uj-ikeys-to-host-semis/#comment-1826923</link>
		<dc:creator>iori Yagami(iori Yagami)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1826912&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vundu(Vundu)-22&lt;/a&gt;: I think the age limit is under 25.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1826912" rel="nofollow">Vundu(Vundu)-22</a>: I think the age limit is under 25.</p>
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		<title>By: Vundu(Vundu)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vundu(Vundu)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t Hilton Lobberts have to be a registered student? And under 23 (or is it 24) years old?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t Hilton Lobberts have to be a registered student? And under 23 (or is it 24) years old?</p>
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		<title>By: last movement(GrubdogSA)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/03/21/uj-ikeys-to-host-semis/#comment-1826889</link>
		<dc:creator>last movement(GrubdogSA)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 07:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1826653&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;super_adi(super_adi)-9&lt;/a&gt;:  I am very disappointed to hear UCT did that. When I was at UCT we got gatvol when maarties played played joe pietersen in that game- because he made all the difference. It left a sour taste in all the UCT supporters.

Up till that point, stellenbosch were unbeaten. So selected joe above the player at the time (and I don&#039;t who that is) who probably started every game and worked very hard to get stellebosch to where they were, was a big f you to the team and that player.

Anyway I thought UCT had a bit more class than that. It seems that Lobberts is a result of a weak system in place which coachs have capitalised on, and unless it is snuffed out - they will continue you to.

Not cool Kevin Foote.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1826653" rel="nofollow">super_adi(super_adi)-9</a>:  I am very disappointed to hear UCT did that. When I was at UCT we got gatvol when maarties played played joe pietersen in that game- because he made all the difference. It left a sour taste in all the UCT supporters.</p>
<p>Up till that point, stellenbosch were unbeaten. So selected joe above the player at the time (and I don&#8217;t who that is) who probably started every game and worked very hard to get stellebosch to where they were, was a big f you to the team and that player.</p>
<p>Anyway I thought UCT had a bit more class than that. It seems that Lobberts is a result of a weak system in place which coachs have capitalised on, and unless it is snuffed out &#8211; they will continue you to.</p>
<p>Not cool Kevin Foote.</p>
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		<title>By: Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/03/21/uj-ikeys-to-host-semis/#comment-1826798</link>
		<dc:creator>Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[can&#039;t be bothered reading the rules but to my mind rthis competition was originally started for proffessional students who play rugby and not pro-rugby players who are ameteur students.

can anyone confirm that the players at varsity get paid zilch?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can&#8217;t be bothered reading the rules but to my mind rthis competition was originally started for proffessional students who play rugby and not pro-rugby players who are ameteur students.</p>
<p>can anyone confirm that the players at varsity get paid zilch?</p>
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		<title>By: Lions snap losing streak(RL)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lions snap losing streak(RL)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lobbets and Whitehead both played, the difference is Whitehead is a student and was discovered while playing Varsity cup rugby ... Lobberts is just a mercenary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lobbets and Whitehead both played, the difference is Whitehead is a student and was discovered while playing Varsity cup rugby &#8230; Lobberts is just a mercenary.</p>
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		<title>By: Lang Giel(Lang Giel)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lang Giel(Lang Giel)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 03:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The winning try of Ikeys came from a massive forward pass. The ref was poor. And then there is poor old Lobberts. Ikeys is probably the only varsity that would accept him with a grade 8 certificate. But let the Francois Pienaar ego show continue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The winning try of Ikeys came from a massive forward pass. The ref was poor. And then there is poor old Lobberts. Ikeys is probably the only varsity that would accept him with a grade 8 certificate. But let the Francois Pienaar ego show continue.</p>
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		<title>By: skopiskoobidoo(ilanjo)</title>
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		<dc:creator>skopiskoobidoo(ilanjo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[anyway I check out these &#039;rules&#039; on Lannings blog or the varsity cup site, thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyway I check out these &#8216;rules&#8217; on Lannings blog or the varsity cup site, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: skopiskoobidoo(ilanjo)</title>
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		<dc:creator>skopiskoobidoo(ilanjo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did Lobberts ever qualify as a student, if the competition is not confined to students only then why they calling it the Varsity cup?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Lobberts ever qualify as a student, if the competition is not confined to students only then why they calling it the Varsity cup?</p>
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		<title>By: PissAnt(PissAnt)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/03/21/uj-ikeys-to-host-semis/#comment-1826660</link>
		<dc:creator>PissAnt(PissAnt)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1826658&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;skopiskoobidoo(ilanjo)-13&lt;/a&gt;: 

www.varsitycup.co.za has the rules there but if you want to save yourself time, google Tank Lannings blog on news24 where the answers are short and sweet.

Ikeys did not break any &#039;rules&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1826658" rel="nofollow">skopiskoobidoo(ilanjo)-13</a>: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.varsitycup.co.za" rel="nofollow">http://www.varsitycup.co.za</a> has the rules there but if you want to save yourself time, google Tank Lannings blog on news24 where the answers are short and sweet.</p>
<p>Ikeys did not break any &#8216;rules&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: PissAnt(PissAnt)</title>
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		<dc:creator>PissAnt(PissAnt)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1826657&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;super_adi(super_adi)-12&lt;/a&gt;: 

Oh well, as a guy supporting Ikeys I will probably go &#039;Hell Yeah&#039; tomorrow!

Until then, ciao for now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1826657" rel="nofollow">super_adi(super_adi)-12</a>: </p>
<p>Oh well, as a guy supporting Ikeys I will probably go &#8216;Hell Yeah&#8217; tomorrow!</p>
<p>Until then, ciao for now.</p>
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		<title>By: skopiskoobidoo(ilanjo)</title>
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		<dc:creator>skopiskoobidoo(ilanjo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so what was the criteria for Ikeys to draft in Lobberts, how they get round the legislation that he qualifies as an Ikeys student? Has he ever studied at UCT?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so what was the criteria for Ikeys to draft in Lobberts, how they get round the legislation that he qualifies as an Ikeys student? Has he ever studied at UCT?</p>
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		<title>By: super_adi(super_adi)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/03/21/uj-ikeys-to-host-semis/#comment-1826657</link>
		<dc:creator>super_adi(super_adi)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1826654&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PissAnt(PissAnt)-10&lt;/a&gt;: Fair enough, but he was a Western Province &quot;star&quot; back then according to a Google search...but your point is valid, they shouldn&#039;t be resorting to such measures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1826654" rel="nofollow">PissAnt(PissAnt)-10</a>: Fair enough, but he was a Western Province &#8220;star&#8221; back then according to a Google search&#8230;but your point is valid, they shouldn&#8217;t be resorting to such measures.</p>
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		<title>By: charo(charo)</title>
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		<dc:creator>charo(charo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1826645&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PissAnt(PissAnt)-8&lt;/a&gt;: 

couldn&#039;t agree more.

hate the manipulation of intervarsities to ensure wins and bragging rights.

ever since the 70&#039;s when danie craven did everything to ensure a win against ikeys (boland coetzee etc playing).

very disappointed uct have sunk to the same level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1826645" rel="nofollow">PissAnt(PissAnt)-8</a>: </p>
<p>couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
<p>hate the manipulation of intervarsities to ensure wins and bragging rights.</p>
<p>ever since the 70&#8242;s when danie craven did everything to ensure a win against ikeys (boland coetzee etc playing).</p>
<p>very disappointed uct have sunk to the same level.</p>
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		<title>By: PissAnt(PissAnt)</title>
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		<dc:creator>PissAnt(PissAnt)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1826653&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;super_adi(super_adi)-9&lt;/a&gt;: 

If memory serves Joe was hardly a known entity at that stage, and he, as Juan de Jongh 2 years ago, at least saw the inside of a university at some stage...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1826653" rel="nofollow">super_adi(super_adi)-9</a>: </p>
<p>If memory serves Joe was hardly a known entity at that stage, and he, as Juan de Jongh 2 years ago, at least saw the inside of a university at some stage&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: super_adi(super_adi)</title>
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		<dc:creator>super_adi(super_adi)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1826645&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PissAnt(PissAnt)-8&lt;/a&gt;: Maties did this with Joe Pietersen in the final a couple of years ago, didn&#039;t they?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1826645" rel="nofollow">PissAnt(PissAnt)-8</a>: Maties did this with Joe Pietersen in the final a couple of years ago, didn&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: PissAnt(PissAnt)</title>
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		<dc:creator>PissAnt(PissAnt)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1826641&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BishopsOD(BishopsOD)-7&lt;/a&gt;: 

Ikeys turned the Varsity Cup into a national club competition with this one move...

Some might say that is not a bad thing either, but in my opinion, the Varsity Cup lost its soul because you can bet your ass, other &#039;Varsities&#039; administrators will now also look for the best way to manipulate the &#039;rules&#039;.

And when competitions gets decided in the boardroom and not between those 4 white lines, then its lost (in what was the Varsity Cup&#039;s biggest appeal) its soul.

Varsity Cup has now become nothing more than the Vodacom Cup where union&#039;s administrators have managed to put their long fingers into to corrupt it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1826641" rel="nofollow">BishopsOD(BishopsOD)-7</a>: </p>
<p>Ikeys turned the Varsity Cup into a national club competition with this one move&#8230;</p>
<p>Some might say that is not a bad thing either, but in my opinion, the Varsity Cup lost its soul because you can bet your <acronym title="Keep it clean!">***</acronym>, other &#8216;Varsities&#8217; administrators will now also look for the best way to manipulate the &#8216;rules&#8217;.</p>
<p>And when competitions gets decided in the boardroom and not between those 4 white lines, then its lost (in what was the Varsity Cup&#8217;s biggest appeal) its soul.</p>
<p>Varsity Cup has now become nothing more than the Vodacom Cup where union&#8217;s administrators have managed to put their long fingers into to corrupt it.</p>
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		<title>By: BishopsOD(BishopsOD)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1826640&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PissAnt(PissAnt)-6&lt;/a&gt;: Really ticked off with that selection. Ikeys has become a riverbed of gems, but then when a never-was is selected... Did someone say &quot;Frikkie Welsh, Wylie Human, Gcobani Bobo, AJ Venter to the Cape&quot;.?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1826640" rel="nofollow">PissAnt(PissAnt)-6</a>: Really ticked off with that selection. Ikeys has become a riverbed of gems, but then when a never-was is selected&#8230; Did someone say &#8220;Frikkie Welsh, Wylie Human, Gcobani Bobo, AJ Venter to the Cape&#8221;.?</p>
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		<title>By: PissAnt(PissAnt)</title>
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		<dc:creator>PissAnt(PissAnt)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It must be said though...

I am really disappointed in Ikeys fielding Hilton Lobberts tonight.

Now before anybody gets up my nose about the rules of the competition let me save you the trouble.

I know the Ikeys did not break any competition rules, but consider the following for just a second.

Lobberts is not allowed to play next week because he did not play in 2 round robin games (tonight was his first game and unless there is serious injury within the Ikeys team they cannot select him for semi&#039;s or finals in which you needed to play 2 games).

The Ikeys coaches claim they helped WP rugby out.

Again, fine... they did not break any competition rules.

But I tell you what, tonight the Ikeys broke the spirit of this competition and what it is all about and what made it so attractive.  Winning is everything, but the cost that comes at some times means you actually lose.

I expect similar funny tricks by other administrators next year unless Francois and the boys from the Varsity Cup addresses these loopholes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must be said though&#8230;</p>
<p>I am really disappointed in Ikeys fielding Hilton Lobberts tonight.</p>
<p>Now before anybody gets up my nose about the rules of the competition let me save you the trouble.</p>
<p>I know the Ikeys did not break any competition rules, but consider the following for just a second.</p>
<p>Lobberts is not allowed to play next week because he did not play in 2 round robin games (tonight was his first game and unless there is serious injury within the Ikeys team they cannot select him for semi&#8217;s or finals in which you needed to play 2 games).</p>
<p>The Ikeys coaches claim they helped WP rugby out.</p>
<p>Again, fine&#8230; they did not break any competition rules.</p>
<p>But I tell you what, tonight the Ikeys broke the spirit of this competition and what it is all about and what made it so attractive.  Winning is everything, but the cost that comes at some times means you actually lose.</p>
<p>I expect similar funny tricks by other administrators next year unless Francois and the boys from the Varsity Cup addresses these loopholes.</p>
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		<title>By: BishopsOD(BishopsOD)</title>
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