Luke still has Bok ambition
17 May 2011
Luke Watson says he would be open to representing the Springboks again and believes they are in a stronger position than any other team to win the World Cup.
Watson was speaking in Cape Town en route to Port Elizabeth where he will commence duty with the EP Kings after two years at Bath in the Premiership.
He left South Africa in late 2009 having established a reputation for being outspoken on a range of issues, most notably representing the Springboks. At a dinner at University of Cape Town Rugby Club, he was alleged to have said, among other things, that he felt like vomiting on the Bok jersey when he debut in 2007 because of what it represented.
Although it was never confirmed that he said this, many of the senior Springboks, who had been vehemently opposed to his late inclusion in the 2007 World Cup training squad, used the claims to further justify their dislike and disregard for him.
Watson, whose father Cheeky was a prominent activist during the struggle years, intimated that his thinking and attitude at the time had been influenced by others. He, however, suggested that he returns a different person.
‘I grew up in a fundamentally different environment to most – every word was watched, every decision I made monitored,’ Watson told keo.co.za. ‘I remember being interviewed by CNN at the age of 10 and asked whether I support the Springboks. I said “yes”, but was quickly rapped over the knuckles by the powers that be because it wasn’t the correct thing to do politically.
‘I never really had an opportunity to establish my own identity and make my own decisions. These 18 months in Bath have been incredibly beneficial in that regard. It’s given me the opportunity to assess the things that I value.
‘It’s easy for me to sit here and tell you how mature I have become. But I can only hope that over the next few years you will notice that there are certain values and principles have have been altered. I’m still going to be the Luke Watson that speaks from my heart, not too worried about the consequences that come with the truth. I’m not going to shy away from any issues because of opposition I’ve received in the past.
‘Yes there are things that I still don’t agree with at a national and regional level. But if I do get the opportunity to represent my country again I will do so very proudly.’
Watson is unlikely to force his way into the Springbok World Cup squad, and never gave the impression that he expected to. But that didn’t stop him from sharing his views on where they stand at present.
‘As far as talent squad and depth goes, I don’t think any team can match the Springboks,’ he said. ‘If the All Blacks lose Dan Carter or Richie McCaw there are big, big holes to fill. We’re not in the same situation. Most of our players are very easily replaceable. We’re in a very strong position if the right team is selected and managed correctly.’
Watson added: ‘I’d like to see a couple of the youngsters who haven’t got an opportunity to play Test rugby get that chance before the World Cup. For example, for me it’s ridiculous that Duane Vermeulen hasn’t played any Tests. He has been the most consistent loose forward in the last two or three seasons of Super Rugby. Yes we have great loose forwards, but surely you have to find an opportunity somewhere for him.
‘Also, I’d like to see Pat Lambie play two or three Tests at 10. Peter Grant deserves an opportunity as well. We’ve seen what Morné Steyn can do, but we should go to the World Cup knowing that we have options in terms of playing different styles against different teams.’
The 27-year-old, who will compete with Eastern Province in the Currie Cup First Division and Vodacom Cup (in 2012) until the Kings’ entry into Super Rugby in 2013, said he wasn’t available to any other franchise in 2012.
Watson acknowledged the prevailing perception that he was taking a massive step backwards in his career, but explained the decision, saying: ‘I was in heaven in Bath, earning pounds and captaining the side. Life was easy. I could have stayed in Bath and taken comfortable, easy route. But I knew there was something greater that I could achieve.
‘I understand that people would look at the move from one of the top sides in Europe to playing Currie Cup First Division as a step down and a risk. But I look at the long-term potential of this decision, especially its ability to uplift a community and region. Sure there are a lot of things that are not ideal. But there are a lot more that are.
‘I really believe that the players and the resources are there for the Kings to be successful. It’s incredibly difficult to keep the talented players in the Eastern Cape without a Super Rugby franchise. The Kings solve that problem, although I appreciate that it will take time [to hold on to the region's best players].’
360 Comments
17 May 2011, 13:46 pm
less talk more play dragon…
17 May 2011, 13:54 pm
Good luck to him. I have forgiven his transgressions after a good 2009 and his overseas sabbatical. Lets give him a clean slate. If he delivers for the Kings then he may well be up for the Boks
17 May 2011, 13:55 pm
Wow, now Keo is milking it!
17 May 2011, 13:55 pm
I wonder who the ‘others’ are that Sheeke’ alleges influenced his son.
Playing the blame game. Taking no responsibility. He must have ambitions for a government post..
17 May 2011, 13:57 pm
Fark me… put finger down my throat again… there goes lunch…
17th May…Is this Puke Watson Day….?
17 May 2011, 13:58 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-4: “Sheeke”
17 May 2011, 14:01 pm
interesting that Luke rates Lambie so high…..
17 May 2011, 14:02 pm
pity LW wont be available to a super 12 team next year
17 May 2011, 14:06 pm
s h i t another one.
17 May 2011, 14:07 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-5:
All you seem to do is puke and dump !!
You got issues ??
Want to lend my Sharks mug ??
17 May 2011, 14:11 pm
That’s three out of the last three stories posted. Jeez keo, don’t you think that’s a little transparent?
17 May 2011, 14:12 pm
and the HSM PR campaign is underway!
17 May 2011, 14:13 pm
Eish.
No comment.
17 May 2011, 14:14 pm
Sheez, HSM signes a contract with Luke Watson, and we have 4 threads about him in 1 day… This is ludicrous
17 May 2011, 14:15 pm
LW a lot better player than boody Spies…
17 May 2011, 14:16 pm
FFS! another twatson article, need kotch now.
luke shouldn’t even talk about the Boks, it’s a disgrace to have him speak of the Boks, mind you he hasn’t even got the talent to play for a CC team so dono what he’s on about the Boks for.
17 May 2011, 14:17 pm
FORGET SBW.
Luke is the word.
17 May 2011, 14:17 pm
@grant10(grant10)-15: ha ha keep dreaming grant. please change your nic to grantPCKing.
17 May 2011, 14:18 pm
Keo is earning his 20% today.
17 May 2011, 14:18 pm
Sarah’s gonna love this!
17 May 2011, 14:21 pm
Gotta leave now before I……
17 May 2011, 14:23 pm
This might explain the Luke love-in today:
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Luke-Watson-signs-with-Keo-20110517
17 May 2011, 14:24 pm
On News24 by Tank Lanning…
“Questioned on any potential conflict of interest given that Watson just happens to be the poster and cover model for this month’s issue of SA Rugby magazine, HSM CEO Kevin Ferguson was confident in the belief that his editorial teams would pick covers and features based on servicing readers rather than any other potentially nefarious reasons.
Backing up their CEO were Commercial Director, and the man who will run the player management side of the business, Shane Keohane, brother to HSM Editorial Director, Mark Keohane, who were both at pains to stress that the two sides of the business would be kept very separate.”
So keo is a little nepotist too?
17 May 2011, 14:25 pm
Stick around, the next thread will be the annouuncement of a ‘Keep fit with Luke’ DVD. Available from all good stores.
17 May 2011, 14:27 pm
Emblem is still their, just on the sleeve.
17 May 2011, 14:27 pm
Keo.co.za has always promoted uncensored views, but has never tolerated racist or crass outbursts. Come on guys and girls. If you can’t moderate yourselves or each other then I am going to be forced to regulate the posts and enforce a registration process for comments. The choice is yours
Bwaahaahaa! Maybe we should regulate your articles. Keo has always been stupid and that made it fun, but this Luke thing is getting out of hand, and its only the first day!
17 May 2011, 14:28 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-24: hahahahahahahaha
17 May 2011, 14:29 pm
I think the menu bar at the top (Super Rugby Springboks World Cup etc.) should have a Luke section too. That way all these articles can be dumped straight there and all the Justin Bieber fans can go and drool there.
17 May 2011, 14:29 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-24: lol
17 May 2011, 14:29 pm
this is utterly shameless
17 May 2011, 14:29 pm
Did I just say Justin Bieber? You know what I meant.
17 May 2011, 14:31 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-28:
17 May 2011, 14:32 pm
He’d make a better coach then Divvy, but then again, who wouldn’t….
17 May 2011, 14:33 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-31: What’s a Justine Bieber?
17 May 2011, 14:34 pm
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-33: D.ick Muir…?
17 May 2011, 14:36 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-32</a
Did you query that acetone breath or can you confirm it? Remember it said those who have low calorie intake.
17 May 2011, 14:36 pm
@Stormersboy(stormersboy)-34: He’s this singer who’s really big amongst 13-year-old girls and Stormers supporters. Surprised you had to ask. Very uncool.
17 May 2011, 14:39 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-28:
17 May 2011, 14:42 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-37: Stormers supporters! Haha
17 May 2011, 14:42 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-37: Oh. I don’t have any 13 year old daughters. I have two young sons and they are partial to the offspring, green day et al.
No Justine Bieber.
17 May 2011, 14:42 pm
@ET.(ET.)-36: Shampoodle and his troop of warthogs high tailed outtahere… I reckon he tucked into his first KFC burger in a decade after your diagnosis…
17 May 2011, 14:43 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-37: Classic
17 May 2011, 14:49 pm
@Stormersboy(stormersboy)-40:
My 17 year old son and his band make their long awaited and highly anticipated international debut tonight at Wynberg Boys High. Covering the Pixies and the White Stripes.
The Cape is waaaayyyy to cool for Justin Bieber.
17 May 2011, 14:50 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-43: Pixies? That’s impressive pedigree for a bunch of 17 year olds. He’s already got my vote.
17 May 2011, 14:51 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-43: Pixies? Now we’re talking.
17 May 2011, 14:54 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-44: LOL
17 May 2011, 14:55 pm
@grant10(grant10)-15: At the moment so is about 10 other players G10
Johnson, Vermeulen, Alberts, Josh Strauss, Whiteley, all better than Spies, and Luke doesn’t even get close!!
To think you carry on about Plod, then back Luke?
This is the best!!+++
17 May 2011, 14:56 pm
keo = puke pimp
17 May 2011, 14:56 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-44: Oh, forgot. congrats on the win, good times they are a coming
17 May 2011, 14:57 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-44:
I’ve trained him well
Mind you, there was a bit of a shouting match between my son and the drummer yesterday about whether to do ‘Where is my mind’ or ‘Should i stay or should I go’ by the Clash. They can only do 2 songs and ‘Seven Nation Army’ is their best one he says, so that stays.
Apparently the drummer doesn’t think the chicks will ‘get’ the Pixies, and he doesn’t want to get labeled as a ‘tortured emo’
17 May 2011, 15:00 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-50: Chicks dig tourtured emos…
Pixies for sure.
17 May 2011, 15:00 pm
@Cheetah 4 Eva(Cheetah 4 Eva)-47: listen closely my fleet footed spotted friend….my views on Luke are plain and simple…..he must prove his worth on the field and if ever chosen for boks must be chosen on merit.
Plain….simple….
Do I rate him as a player? Very much so….But I rate Brussow, Vermeulen,Johnson Alberts, J Smith , as well…
As for plod….well if he is there on merit then I am a vryheidsfront Vryheid Vegter!!!!
17 May 2011, 15:01 pm
I never quite get the point of articles like these. Space filler if there was one.
OF COURSE he still has Bok ambitions… that’s like saying “I hope to still have *** in my life”.
Well, duh?
17 May 2011, 15:04 pm
would have expected a lot more on the sharks…bulls from the keo team….going to be massive
17 May 2011, 15:05 pm
@Stormersboy(stormersboy)-51:
Too true. But he’s from Constantia. Probably more of a Beach Boys kinda guy
17 May 2011, 15:05 pm
If I had a choice between Spies or Watson I would definitely not pick the steroid show pony, but alas we are stuck with Spies, sad really.
17 May 2011, 15:08 pm
From Sport 24
Luke Watson signs with Keo
2011-05-17 14:17Email | Print
Luke Watson (File)
Luke Watson arrived back in South Africa last week after a successful playing stint in Bath, and after a quiet few days spent catching up with family, friends and former players, he was presented to the media in Cape Town by Highbury Safika Media (HSM – publishers of SA Rugby magazine and http://www.keo.co.za amongst others).
HSM, at the same function, confirmed their entry into the sports management market with their signing of the fiery Springbok, Bath and EP Kings loose forward.
Questioned on any potential conflict of interest given that Watson just happens to be the poster and cover model for this month’s issue of SA Rugby magazine, HSM CEO Kevin Ferguson was confident in the belief that his editorial teams would pick covers and features based on servicing readers rather than any other potentially nefarious reasons.
Backing up their CEO were Commercial Director, and the man who will run the player management side of the business, Shane Keohane, brother to HSM Chief Operating Officer, Mark Keohane, who were both at pains to stress that the two sides of the business would be kept very separate.
“As a player I wanted to be aligned with a vibrant company who share my enthusiasm for Eastern Province and South African rugby, and who also believe there is a different way to manage the careers of players,” said Watson.
Watson arrives in Port Elizabeth at the weekend and will represent the Kings in the guise of the South African Kings in June’s IRB sanctioned Emerging Nations tournament to be hosted by Romania. The Kings replace the Emerging Springboks as South Africa’s tournament representative.
17 May 2011, 15:09 pm
@RedLions’ team won … down under(RL)-56:
thank heavens we don’t have to make that choice. Vermeulen, Alberts and a coupe of others…
17 May 2011, 15:10 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-37: ha ha..
17 May 2011, 15:10 pm
I sat through his last press conference in 2009 at WP Rugby.
Watson never had a problem with the fans or people (in the stands or on the streets), but he took a very broad swipe at the media for abusing the power they have.
He cautioned, if not begged the media in Cape Town (known as the worst of the lot) to stand by their team because these youngsters (in 2009 remember) were going somewhere and they need to media to back them and not vilify them.
It was interesting at the time that his parting words, where he could have let rip, he chose stand up for his team.
Perceptions is a ***** though.
Oh well – this episode and debate is far from over.
In rugby terms, Luke is an asset to SA rugby, welcome back sir.
17 May 2011, 15:12 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-50: Definitely the Pixies. But perhaps not Where is My Mind? – too expected. I’d go for straight up rock like “Gouge Away” off Doolittle. Or perhaps something a little otherworldly like The Happening” from Bossanova. But any Pixies track will cement their cool for years to come. The Clash won’t do that for them.
17 May 2011, 15:12 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-24: you forgot about the Watson 10 step guide to kotching on the Bok emblem…
17 May 2011, 15:16 pm
@foreverrugga(foreverrugga)-62: yawn
17 May 2011, 15:22 pm
@grant10(grant10)-63: It’s kinda irritating ne? Keep this in mind when you keep on ranting about fatty.
17 May 2011, 15:27 pm
@Hop Hop Spinnekop(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-64: plod not around to rant about……fatty either injured or on the bench ….where he belongs
17 May 2011, 15:29 pm
@grant10(grant10)-65: Cut it out, Grantie. It’s not becoming.
17 May 2011, 15:38 pm
@grant10(grant10)-63: ag grant fkn plod off man !
17 May 2011, 15:40 pm
hail the return of Luke Watson, the champion of the poor, definitely he won’t vote for DA.
17 May 2011, 15:41 pm
@grant10(grant10)-65:
what a selfish ballbag you have become.
your way or the highway.
we have to put up with daily rants from you for years……
and you have the temerity to try to shut down other bloggers when you disagree.
saddest part is you don’t even realise how selfish you are.
17 May 2011, 15:42 pm
@trupisero(trupisero)-58:
Alberts
Danie
Duane
Ashley
Pierre
Ryan
Davon
…
…
17 May 2011, 15:44 pm
@charo(charo)-69: well said man!!
17 May 2011, 15:45 pm
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Luke-Watson-signs-with-Keo-20110517
I can’t make out what the tatoo on Luke Watson’s arm reads:
“Carnal Freedom”??
17 May 2011, 15:46 pm
deals to be done cheers peoples
17 May 2011, 15:46 pm
This man seems like such an egotist. Sorry, maybe I’m just an ***.
17 May 2011, 15:47 pm
@charo(charo)-69: That logic is over the head of grant ‘I sniff Luke’s jock strap’ 10, i think the majority of readers would have eased their views on Puke a while ago if it wasnt for ol’ granties ranting about JS and the cancer
17 May 2011, 15:51 pm
@charo(charo)-69: Hear, hear! *applause*
17 May 2011, 15:54 pm
@charo(charo)-69: you are correct.
sorry.
I will hope that LW does his talking on the field and allow these okes to carry on as they will….
Ja….you are right….my ‘ compassion fatigue’ for those I consider stupid is not right….my bad….sincerely mean that.
17 May 2011, 15:57 pm
Well Luke I am VERY glad to read your views on Vermeulen and Grant, and totally agree with you!
I hope you have matured and changed and will now do your playing talent justice when off the field
17 May 2011, 15:57 pm
Keo and co have shot their bolt well and truly with Puke… Chaps are now confused which article/thread to go to and throw insults at the King…
17 May 2011, 16:02 pm
@grant10(grant10)-77:
Moenie warrie nie Oom Grant, If people dont liek your posts they have full freedom to ignore or scroll past them.
It’s just easier to say nasty things because saying something helpful requires some insight.
Luke was good in 2009, nno doubt. But currently there is no place for him in our loose trio. Vermeulen ahead of him @8 (behind Spies and Kanko, whoever agrees with this or not), then he isn’t even in teh top 5 opendide flanks with Brussow, Steggies, Burger, Flo, Plo, Pottie and Deysel being thrown in there. So, oh well.
Maybe the public treated him unfairly, gave him too much attention, but he cetainly didn’t help matters, and it seems like he would do more damage being in the current Bok squad too with the kind of attitude that those Boks have toward him.
17 May 2011, 16:02 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-79:
19.Heavens Game:
17 May 2011, 08:49 am
If the ref is Peyper then the Sharks are farked.
Hopefully its an Anzac ref, sorry to say…
Not sure of the trustworthiness of SA refs in this context… Except Lawrence.
well, you got you wish, Bryce Lawrence is reffing Sharks vs Bulls game.
so no excuses if the Bulls pump you at Fortress Kings Park, hey?
17 May 2011, 16:03 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-79: Yeah I have a migrane from all these threads.
Outta here
17 May 2011, 16:04 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-79:
Well you got to feel for these guys, there is only so much you can say about rugby itself, the teams, the Super 15, and especially when there is no big news.
17 May 2011, 16:04 pm
@grant10(grant10)-77:
thanks g10 – appreciated.
now lets all get behind whichever bok team plays at rwc11.
cheers
17 May 2011, 16:06 pm
a while back keo had the hots for jake white and all we got on this website was jake this and winning ways that – until a lovers tiff saw them go their seperate ways.
now luke watson has been invited to move into keo’s little love nest. i wonder how long it will be before lukey gets the boot and the midget starts bad-mouthing him here.
17 May 2011, 16:06 pm
@Stormersboy(stormersboy)-82:
Yeah, the name “Luke Watson” is associated with adverse phisiological responses…..
17 May 2011, 16:07 pm
physiological
17 May 2011, 16:07 pm
see? it’s happening already to me too
17 May 2011, 16:08 pm
Hows about some odes to the King Puke…
I’ll kick off with a little limerick:
Welcome back to Azansi, saviour Lukie King
Comparing yourself to Madiba, a helluva thing
While seeming to like sitting on the steeple
And puking on the Bok and the people
Who dont agree with your saviour and struggle proclaiming
17 May 2011, 16:10 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-81: Huh… You hurt, pumpkin…? Come to Daddy…
17 May 2011, 16:10 pm
@Stormersboy(stormersboy)-82: Cheers
17 May 2011, 16:11 pm
Garbage stays garbage. It will never change. He should have stayed overseas, he has no redeeming qualitites whatsoever.
17 May 2011, 16:12 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-83: Yup, just a bit of a monster clash come Saturday at Kings Park…
You fancy your chances?
17 May 2011, 16:12 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-89: wtf is “Azansi”?
17 May 2011, 16:14 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-90: tl tl tl no excuse
17 May 2011, 16:14 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-89: That’s a limerick only in the very loosest sense of the word. You can do better. Take special note of the desired metre (poetic rhythm) and not just the AABBA rhyme. What you’re aiming for is (and forgive me for quoting myself from an earlier Luke thread):
politics, tight shirts and puke
are the strengths of young master Luke
but none of these things
are of use to the Kings
who’ll rely on some kind refs and fluke
17 May 2011, 16:15 pm
@Stormersboy(stormersboy)-51: saw pixies live 2005 and 2006, they were brilliant
17 May 2011, 16:15 pm
@BlueBlood(BlueBlood)-92: you mean like Geo Cronje & Toks van der Linde?
17 May 2011, 16:18 pm
Agile is right, this fool produces involuntary physiological responses in people… Azansi = Mzansi
17 May 2011, 16:18 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-93:
Hell no I dont fancy my chances! Against 15+1 angry men? Unless I widen my bullbar on my cruiser.
But the Bulls! now they are in with a good chance, I think the Bulls will win by 7+ points. Around 30 points.
17 May 2011, 16:18 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-99:
What I tell you?
17 May 2011, 16:18 pm
whats this?
Luke has signed with Keo???
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Luke-Watson-signs-with-Keo-20110517
17 May 2011, 16:19 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-96: Classic!
17 May 2011, 16:21 pm
Cheetahs team to host Rebels:
1. COENIE OOSTHUIZEN 2. ADRIAAN STRAUSS (CAPT) 3. W.P. NEL 4. FRANCOIS UYS 5. WILHELM STEENKAMP 6. KABAMBA FLOORS 7. ASHLEY JOHNSON 8. DAVON RAUBENHEIMER 9. SAREL PRETORIUS 10. SIAS EBERSOHN 11. RYNO BENJAMIN 12. CORNE UYS 13. ROBERT EBERSOHN (VC) 14. RIAAN SMIT 15. RIAAN VILJOEN
Replacements: 16. RYNO BARNES 17. LOURENS ADRIAANSE 18. MARTIN MULLER 19. JOHAN WESSELS 20. TEWIS DE BRUYN 21. NAAS OLIVIER 22. HENNIE DANILLER
17 May 2011, 16:21 pm
@Knersboy(Knersboy)-97: Where was this?
17 May 2011, 16:21 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-100: Another involuntary physiological response… Should have read “your team’s chance”…
Need to give this Luke induced tic a name…
17 May 2011, 16:22 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-61:
Well, we are talking about snot nosed kids here and as you said, Justin Bieber is the kind of tat they are listening to. I don’t think 99% of them would know the Clash or the Pixies.
Gouge Away would be awesome, I’m catching your straight up rock drift. I just don’t now how they are going to pull of the harmonies in ‘Where is my mind’ to be honest. My son is lead guitar and lead singer, and he’s never sung before in his life, but no-one else wants to do it so he’s stuck with it
Ahhh, the trials and tribualtions of a wannabe rock g.od…
17 May 2011, 16:25 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-105:
There was once a kid from PE
Whos daddy liked a terrorist party
The party came into power
So he sits high in his white tower
Thinking he’s gods gift to Eastern Cape rugby.
17 May 2011, 16:26 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-106:
Lukemia
17 May 2011, 16:28 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-107: To be honest, no Pixies track is easy to cover Frank Black’s intense vocals puts it beyond most people. Unless you “make it your own” by doing a unique cover. Having said that, there was a Pixies cover band in Pretoria in the early 90’s who really nailed it.
I’d say the earlier, manic stuff (off Surfer Rosa and Come On Pilgrim) is much harder than most tracks off Doolittle and Bossanova.
17 May 2011, 16:29 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-108: tl tl tl putrid… try harder
17 May 2011, 16:29 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-106: An interesting PD…. Considering that homeground advantage for the Sharks translates to around 8 pts on average, the Bulls would need to be 15 points better than the Sharks on the day for to get the 7 pts lead… I dunno about that.
Going to be close… I reckon Sharks will sneak in by one due to homeground adv and benefit of the doubt by the ref (if it is Bryce Lawrence as Transie says)…
17 May 2011, 16:31 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-109:
Eish… Gwantie is going to have a farking stroke
17 May 2011, 16:31 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-108: Hehehe
17 May 2011, 16:33 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-112:
Yes, it is Bryce, very strict at the breakdown, and loves to penalize for holding on. Will have to see when the teams are announced.
17 May 2011, 16:35 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-115: bryce pinged mcCaw for falling on the wrong side of the ruck, so i expect abput 3 penalties from Stegmann
17 May 2011, 16:35 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-105: in holland at the lowlands festival and in spain at bennicassim festival. damn good times those were.
17 May 2011, 16:35 pm
Why so many Luke Watson stories going around ?
Stormers are playing the Blues , Sharks and Bullies are playing , Cheetahs are on great form , Lions just won an away game, why on earth is Watson and the Kings the stories this site’s producing.
Keo and his favourtism journalism.
17 May 2011, 16:36 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-110:
You’re dead right. I’ve never really thought of it before, but as a non musician even I can see how difficult it would be to cover them. Only ‘Here comes your man’ or ‘Cecilia Anne’ off the top of my head might stand a chance.
Imagine trying ‘Tame’ ffs
17 May 2011, 16:36 pm
he who laughs last………
2012 is coming…..
the boks will be without Plod, Matfield, J Smith.
They will need a leader…..
Transie….keep this post for future reference .
17 May 2011, 16:38 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-115: but he was too lenient on riaan viljoen & sarel pretorius who were playing waaay to close or over the offside line @ the rucks. if mcloed is sharp he can get in fdp’s face in the same way, but he’ll have to be very quick!
17 May 2011, 16:39 pm
@Knersboy(Knersboy)-117: Hmmm… jealous I am.
17 May 2011, 16:40 pm
Welcome to the Kings, master Watson
Here’s a lovely jersey to kots on.
And now that you’re older,
some chips for your shoulder?
No thanks, I’ve already got some.
17 May 2011, 16:40 pm
@grant10(grant10)-120:
Is Juan Smith retiring ? Where did you hear that ?
Jean De Villiers should be the next best bet
17 May 2011, 16:41 pm
did he say categorically that he would like to play for the springboks again or did he say I would like to represent my country again or did he say I would like to represent the proteas (again)?
17 May 2011, 16:42 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-119: Tame would be a nightmare to cover. You’d have to go for a larynx transplant after the gig.
17 May 2011, 16:43 pm
Lets hope Watson survives in his Kings jersey without puking
17 May 2011, 16:48 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-126:
Hahaha. I saw the Pixies in 1990, and maybe it was the giddiness associated with seeing my heroes, or the passage of time, but I swear the guitarist (the guy, can’t remember his name off top of my head) took his guitar off and started kicking it around the stage while playing Tame…….and he was IN TUNE!!!!!
17 May 2011, 16:48 pm
When we think in extremes we judge in extremes.
Not everything is either or, black and white…
I read with interest a tweet from Tank Lanning today (watch out for his article on Thursday on News24) where he said his chat with Luke this afternoon was ‘pleasantly surprising’ (or something to that effect) almost admitting he was expecting some ******* but got a totally different person to what he imagined.
Not everything in life is either right or wrong. The possibility of something being right and wrong at the same time allows us to evolve in our patterns of thinking and eventually, in life.
Just a thought.
17 May 2011, 16:49 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-128: Joey Santiago. He probably did.
17 May 2011, 16:50 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-128:
Was acid still big in the 90′s?
17 May 2011, 16:52 pm
@Papoose(papaown)-102: One more reason to see the Luke Watson brouhaha for what it is: a crass attempt at making money.
17 May 2011, 16:53 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-128: now i am jealous. when i saw them in 2005 and 2006 i loved it, but i remember thinking if only i could have seenthem when i was totally ape about them.
they never played letter to memphis, i love that song.
17 May 2011, 16:53 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-129: respect.
17 May 2011, 16:53 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-131: still is big in the right circles
17 May 2011, 16:55 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-116:
It happens. What will be more interesting is to see how the two openside flanks apply their work, and how high the work rate is, and what the tight 5s affors their teams affecting these roles.
17 May 2011, 16:56 pm
Oh, and by the way folks, my 2c worth seeing as everyone else has had a shot.
Personally, I hope with all of my being, that Luke comes home and he gets the chance to play rugby away from all of the controversy that has dogged him for such a long time now. But it needs both the fanboiz and the detractors to give him a clear run at it.
All of this talk about Luke the puke is as stupid as the triumphalism trotted out to shove one up the ‘haters’ arses.
Give the guy a break dudes. From both sides.
17 May 2011, 16:58 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-137: agree
17 May 2011, 16:58 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-130:
Ahh, that’s it. I think I’ll be digging out some sounds this evening for a trip down memory lane.
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-131:
Yes, but I was too stoned for the acid to have any effect
17 May 2011, 17:01 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-139:
Good man
17 May 2011, 17:01 pm
@grant10(grant10)-138:
I don’t think I’ve ever been soooooooo mad watching rugby as with Scholtz pinning Watson to the ground in Bloem. NEVER EVER!!!
But I’ll bet you Luke has moved on and bears no grudges.
Let’s see how his rugby goes.
17 May 2011, 17:04 pm
@Knersboy(Knersboy)-133:
Yeah, I was lucky I guess because I was right into them and the Chilli Peppers at the time and saw them both in a month or so in London.
The Pixies was at Brixton Academy, they were indeed awesome.
17 May 2011, 17:05 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-137:
OK…but one last limerick:
There once was a loosie called Luke Watson
He was a very Cheeky twat’s son
He looked and strode like a garden gnome
At the sight of the Springbok his mouth would foam
But it’s time to forgive all that was said and done.
the end.
17 May 2011, 17:06 pm
What I think of Watson doesn’t matter but he has become a topic in rugby that is like discussing politics or religion which leads me to the same conclusion ,keep your opinion to yourself , rather not talk about it as it is such a controversial and BLA BLA BLA topic just like politics and religion .
17 May 2011, 17:07 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-143:
The greatest thing about Luke, is he realised he was used as a pawn by his dad and those with interests other than rugby at heart.
Let’s see if he has become his own man…
17 May 2011, 17:08 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-143:
Haha, not bad. But you should change ‘the end’ with ‘Amen
17 May 2011, 17:11 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-145:
Sorry, but I dont care to find out. Everybody should feel this way, more or less, and leave the poor guy to just get on with life. Yes, we are having fun at his expense, but I really dont know those Watson’s, can’t contribute anything useful…..
17 May 2011, 17:13 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-147:
Unlike us keyboard warriors?
I think their contribution is worth far more than yours or mine (judging on how I know you which is through a blog).
17 May 2011, 17:14 pm
Any event.
We can finally judge him as a rugby player. At least that is what he is saying from what I read.
17 May 2011, 17:18 pm
Okay, I am calling time on this subject – some other time again.
17 May 2011, 17:18 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-148:
I’m not sure I follow….
17 May 2011, 17:18 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-149:
Here’s hoping Supersport show the 1st division otherwise we’ll all be none the wiser
17 May 2011, 17:20 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-149:
I’m saying that I dont think it matters much. He will have to produce something truly sensational to be seen firstly as a rugby player.
17 May 2011, 17:20 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-151:
Lol. I think PA missed the comma in your final sentence.
17 May 2011, 17:21 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-152:
We’ve got Keo-TV for that, dont you know?
17 May 2011, 17:21 pm
LOl sure Luke we`ll promote you above Brussouw, Flo and Schalk in the ranks!
17 May 2011, 17:22 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-154:
OK, that maybe explains it. Lemme rephrase:
“I really dont know those Watson’s. So I can’t contribute anything useful…”
17 May 2011, 17:24 pm
Good luck to Watson and the Kings. Purely on rugby any quality players returning is good for SA rugby. Lets hope a few more can do the same. That said I couldn’t help one little limerick..
there once was a kid called luke
who really quite enjoyed to puke
he f8cked off over the sea
to the d.utchies great glee
but oh cots he’s now back in pe
17 May 2011, 17:24 pm
Now where is Heavens Game?
I wrote that limerick just for him……….
17 May 2011, 17:25 pm
@Greenfever(Greenfever)-158:
Heavens Game is very precise about limericks,
It goes:
A
A
B
B
A
17 May 2011, 17:25 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-157:
That’s better
17 May 2011, 17:26 pm
@Greenfever(Greenfever)-158:
In plain words: You are disqualified
17 May 2011, 17:27 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-157:
Haha, then my reply makes no sense at all!
No matter! Got your point!
17 May 2011, 17:27 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-161:
Yeah, before we have to make sense of all the ******* that will ensue.
17 May 2011, 17:29 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-164:
****** being ****** ( all the asterisks)
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-163:
Ah yes, vary gud.
17 May 2011, 17:29 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-162:
AABBA????
What’s all that about?
17 May 2011, 17:32 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-166:
That’s what you get when Anna-Frid and Agnetha stand on one side, and Bjorn and Benny stand on the other side. very technical…I dunno ask HG.
17 May 2011, 17:33 pm
Is the interest in Luke really burning
for three yarns on King Puke Returning?
Rather the Keo-Safika minions
Selling the freedom fighter’s opinions,
Whilst the Hardest Rugby Game spurning…
17 May 2011, 17:33 pm
A young rugby player called Luke
Had his intentions gravely mistook
Because it wasn’t the Bok
Over which he wanted to hock
It was John Smit’s cancerous book
17 May 2011, 17:36 pm
There was a Bok coach called Jake White
Who thought young Luke Watson was shiite
So he left him in the lurch
Till they met up in church
And now everything is alright
17 May 2011, 17:37 pm
@Original-Pierre(Original-Pierre)-156: And Daniel… and Steggman…
17 May 2011, 17:39 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-171:
You mean:
And Stegman…..and Daniel
Anyways I wrote a beautiful, reconciling limerick and no response? Eish. I hope the Bulle mat jou sommer!
17 May 2011, 17:41 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-170: Just a little rewrite…
There was a Bok coach called Jake White
Who knew young Watson was shiite
So he left him in church
Upon hearing of his lurch
And now everything is alright
17 May 2011, 17:42 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-172: didnt see cuzzie… will have a look
17 May 2011, 17:44 pm
some breaking news.
It is speculated that M Steyn has signed a 2 year contract with Bath to replace Butch James
17 May 2011, 17:45 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-143:
Nee man… far too “truth and reconciliation” to be genuine…. 
17 May 2011, 17:46 pm
@grant10(grant10)-175:
HAHAHA really Grant, you nancy boy!….Grant….GRANT!?!? tell me you’re joking!
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-174:
Sorry HG, it’s teh Bulls and Sharts this weekend, we may have been friends in teh past, but now I’m gonna have to treat you like Luke treats the jersey that feeds him.
17 May 2011, 17:47 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-172:
Don’t tell him. He’ll ruin it like he did to my masterpiece.
17 May 2011, 17:48 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-177: True….announcement to be made shortly.
Cheetahs beware…i reckon bulls will be hunting those ebersohns now
17 May 2011, 17:48 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-172: And no… Its definitely “And Daniel… and Stegmann…”
Daniel can do a Sonny Bill offload… Stegg?
17 May 2011, 17:49 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-180:
Stegmann doesn’t need to offload, he can recycle effectively.
17 May 2011, 17:50 pm
@grant10(grant10)-175:
It wouldn’t surprise me. The cycle has already started and it will continue in earnest.
Sign up for a NH club straight after the WC, make a few quid, then come back in a couple of years and reclaim your Bok, AB or Wallaby spot.
Cushty…
17 May 2011, 17:51 pm
sharks by 4
but subject to plod on bench
and botes starting
17 May 2011, 17:51 pm
“Shortly after reports of Steyn being linked with Bath broke he posted on his Twtiter account,”I hear things that I will go to Bath, so I just want to let you know I have not spoken with anyone.”
“I’m still with the Bulls until 2013!” he said.
17 May 2011, 17:52 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-182: ja.
the surprise is he resighned with bulls till 2013, but now Bulls seem happy to let him go….
I reckon them bulls eyeing Sias
17 May 2011, 17:52 pm
@grant10(grant10)-183:
We havent seen the teams yet Grant…..So we can’t say for certain by how much the Bulls will win.
17 May 2011, 17:53 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-181: Then Stegg is lucky Daniel not playing come Sat… His recycling plant would be messed up…
Come to think of it his recycling plant going to be fully Deyselnated…
17 May 2011, 17:53 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-184: for cheetahs sake I hope he stays
17 May 2011, 17:54 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-186: if plod plays
and no Botes
Bulls by 12
17 May 2011, 17:54 pm
@grant10(grant10)-183:
Hmmm, not sure who to pick on Saturday. I might just go with the Bully Boys in a desperate effort to leapfrog HG who will obviously have Sharks by 30.
17 May 2011, 17:54 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-184:
The Bulls get criticized around here for being “kick-and-chase dinosaurs”, but they are LOYAL kick-and-chase dinosaurs.
17 May 2011, 17:55 pm
@grant10(grant10)-175:
Not happening, he has signed with the Bulls till October 2013 – these are just UK journo’s speculating.
17 May 2011, 17:56 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-169: Just a one word retort…
Agile’s new disease designation:
Lukemia???
17 May 2011, 17:56 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-187:
No, it runs on Deysel, for 2 ‘Marcks. And anything else he can have for breakfast…..
17 May 2011, 17:56 pm
@grant10(grant10)-185:
Lets hope they get Naas Olivier instead
17 May 2011, 17:57 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-194: LOLLLLLLLLLL. Speechless, prat!
17 May 2011, 17:58 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-193:
…marked by acute emesis and limbic congestion.
Treatment: .50 slug.
17 May 2011, 17:59 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-197: Hehehehe!!
17 May 2011, 17:59 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-190: LOL
Sharks damn tough to beat at the tank….really for me it depends on there team….they will miss Kanko and Keegan….but with Botes fit will have a counter for steggies and Dewalt…
Bissy must play….plod will seriously undermine the sharks chances, and i mean that sincerely with no malice
17 May 2011, 18:00 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-193:
Have you not seen the news today? Apparently they can cure that now. Maybe there’s hope for Luke after all.
Right, off home through the mean streets of N’djamena. Dodging bombs, hippo’s and the smelly sandals my driver is wearing today.
Laters folks…
17 May 2011, 18:01 pm
The dickheads regarding one Luke Watson are basically all either JW disciples or Sharkievarkie arselickers
Most stupid bunch of imbeciles ever to have proclaimed themselves rugby supporters full stop… Idiocy in mammoth abundances.. such are these fucked up deluded disciples of supreme idiocy
Entire Watson saga was a setup between White and Smit and nothing much else… politics got dragged into it as a side issue… and all these fuckups bought it.
17 May 2011, 18:01 pm
Over and out…
Agile, good to see you back… Twat!
Jock, taste those vapour trails…
17 May 2011, 18:01 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-192: ok…thanks
17 May 2011, 18:02 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-200:
Cheers.
17 May 2011, 18:04 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-201:
“The dickheads regarding one Luke Watson…”
OH SHI…..! are you saying there’s more than one!?!
Please try to make sense.
17 May 2011, 18:06 pm
any other country Watson would have been open side flank at first opportunity during his years of mastery … here it was protectionism of the rabid status quo till death do them part.
17 May 2011, 18:08 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-201:
Ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh…wait. Skoppie! It’s you! Ok that explains everything.
(have to contact the janeGoodall institute to make sure I know the right “oops” and “eeps” to greet you properly.)
17 May 2011, 18:08 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-205: an entire nation full of them and 80% – 90% of bloggers here
17 May 2011, 18:09 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-202:
cheers mate
17 May 2011, 18:10 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-208:
I’m just pulling your leg. They call me the Lord of Misunderstanding. And a couple of other things.
How’s it going champ?
17 May 2011, 18:13 pm
not much more than can be said in this context.
Keohane has done his 180 degree turnaround wrt first being up JW’s arse now he’s up Luke’s
Next you’ll have Luke and John being long lost rekindled apostles at the alter of His Holiness King of the Hill Church and kissing and turning cheeks much better
Else its another spate of cancerous books already hot on the press waiting to hit the sellout counter at Exclusive Books come November.. just in time for the last gasp Xmas festivities before all Hades breaks loose in 2012
17 May 2011, 18:16 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-210:
doing fine, thanks.. hows you?
where that piffle little idiot Herr Gwat disappear to with his dangling string of gephoephel hanging half way out his gat as he waffles out the door?
17 May 2011, 18:20 pm
Careful, you fckfaced little vegan imp… HG is watching you…
Will pounce sooner rather than later…
17 May 2011, 18:21 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-212:
Ja ag, I’m alright, doing my best to ensure Rand Water is out of business by 2016.
So you are Skoppie, then Yliad and now a “Shambolic, Poopy Aloo gobie dish”?
How many times have they klapped you with the ban hammer my friend?
17 May 2011, 18:23 pm
eish these are the keo days of our lives
17 May 2011, 18:24 pm
From News24.
Luke Watson signs with Keo
Luke Watson arrived back in South Africa last week after a successful playing stint in Bath, and after a quiet few days spent catching up with family, friends and former players, he was presented to the media in Cape Town by Highbury Safika Media (HSM – publishers of SA Rugby magazine and http://www.keo.co.za amongst others).
HSM, at the same function, confirmed their entry into the sports management market with their signing of the fiery Springbok, Bath and EP Kings loose forward.
Questioned on any potential conflict of interest given that Watson just happens to be the poster and cover model for this month’s issue of SA Rugby magazine, HSM CEO Kevin Ferguson was confident in the belief that his editorial teams would pick covers and features based on servicing readers rather than any other potentially nefarious reasons.
Backing up their CEO were Commercial Director, and the man who will run the player management side of the business, Shane Keohane, brother to HSM Chief Operating Officer, Mark Keohane, who were both at pains to stress that the two sides of the business would be kept very separate.
“As a player I wanted to be aligned with a vibrant company who share my enthusiasm for Eastern Province and South African rugby, and who also believe there is a different way to manage the careers of players,” said Watson.
Watson arrives in Port Elizabeth at the weekend and will represent the Kings in the guise of the South African Kings in June’s IRB sanctioned Emerging Nations tournament to be hosted by Romania. The Kings replace the Emerging Springboks as South Africa’s tournament representative.
Conflict of Interest Mark? lol.
17 May 2011, 18:27 pm
there the fanny little fckup sharkievarkie narcissistic Nazi is just in time for his evening medicine
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-214: its one name per week or less for me now already I think I got about 12 – 15 gmail or yahoo accounts all piled up already
they still cannot make up their minds round here whether they love me or hate me… like most messianic prophets before their time they crucify them first then howl like chest beating sack cloth and ashes holy moly’s once their beloved has duly parted.
17 May 2011, 18:30 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-217: @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-215:
BTW sharkie_president… just in case you get it wrong again that post weren’t meant for you… I guess you should know that already
17 May 2011, 18:30 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-217:
That’s only because every good story needs a villain Skop. But I like you. I look to you for inspiration sometimes.
17 May 2011, 18:32 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-214:
You the chief executer in ensuring RW goes into liquidation or what is your professional designation?
17 May 2011, 18:33 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-220:
Not quite, I’m just a very….”effluent” supplier.
17 May 2011, 18:36 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-219:
Thanks agile … you are a good sort… and there quite a good few around here too… though you got to sift and search a little for them amongst the rabble
then there are the loud mouths the ones patting themselves on their vociferous backs day in and out 24/7… they the type that need to get smacked from here to the hereafter.
Its like a vicious turnstile of a snake infested pit sometimes but such is society and so it manifests in little sample pockets like this one.
17 May 2011, 18:36 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-218: did not take it to be so so no biggy thanks
17 May 2011, 18:40 pm
Good grief there’s a chef roasting a grouse on tv.
Ag shame man.
17 May 2011, 18:42 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-224:
You should consider getting a new TV if your set gets THAT hot lady…..
17 May 2011, 18:43 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-221:
oookay… trying to get a handle round that one
so you say Bullies will take Sharkies this weekend
Its a strange psychology ain’t it… almost every other week I’m sticking up for any team that take on Bulls…. whether its Lions or Cheetahs or even Highlanders or Saders I get behind them if they playing Bulls and especially at Loftus..
Until they play Sharks… then I’m behind Bulls 100%… that 2007 S14 final was the cherry on top of all mercenary slaying extravaganzas …. couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch of two faced mercenaries anywhere.
17 May 2011, 18:46 pm
how is queen Joan de Arc these days… behaving herself I kinda suppose now that SBW has headed back to his fortress?
17 May 2011, 18:46 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-226:
Some Zulu bloke from KZN stole your goose, isn’t it?
Why the animosity?
17 May 2011, 18:48 pm
Sack cloths…ashes… howling…?
Naah, more Jim Jones… koolaid… and farking outstanding giggles of happiness….
Now go fly your heavenly gregori kite…
And watch as the Sharks mount your Stormers and overtake them for the top spot… This weekend… at your nearest vegetarian carrot smoothie vendor showing dstv…
17 May 2011, 18:49 pm
17 May 2011, 18:49 pm
Correction… no DHL Stormers no more…
Bacardi farking Breezers far more brokebacking appropriate….
17 May 2011, 18:49 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-224:
Pour some soda water on it and put it out of it’s misery.
17 May 2011, 18:50 pm
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-223:
hope business is going good for you down here… though you do know how I feel about the ingredients on the menu
its just a shame that this old world is a dog eat dog society and when its not that then its a human eats anything one.
17 May 2011, 18:51 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-229: lol hiyas HG
17 May 2011, 18:53 pm
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-234: Howzit Sharkie… Hope you having a good week… Can’t stay too long.
Tight one this weekend… Sharks vs Bulls. The Hardest Game in Rugby
17 May 2011, 18:58 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-233:
A dog eat dog world?
Tell me you haven’t moved to North Korea to evade Keo’s cyber police?
17 May 2011, 18:59 pm
Gotta go work on my Luke limerick
17 May 2011, 18:59 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-228:
I just have this innate aversion to fakes its kinda ingrained in my DNA.. and Sharkie varkies aren’t a genuine rugby establishment… unlike Cheetahs and Lions and even WP and Bulls to lesser extents who breed proper rugby progeny from grass roots up and then they get pilfered like cheap ornaments that get stuck up on some falsified Moghuls mantelpiece… naah Sharks are a fake franchise … a lot like many of their fake supporters … they shop around and bid and buy and steal their way to stardom… it ain’t real guts and glory more like Tinseltown type Hollywood stories
Thats why the animosity… but like many here pride themselves in so much tongue in cheek type sarcasm.. even this animosity for these half baked halfarsed sharkievarkie guppies has a little tinge of that about it too … but only a very faint little of it I hope you understand … mind you
17 May 2011, 19:00 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-235: good to hear mate and thanks
Yeah bulls never easy , but then again i been saying the whole time , dont write off these bulls , to much quality in that team for them to stay down
so nothing new , this weekend will be no different , a match of note comming up
17 May 2011, 19:02 pm
The moon is full. Almal is mal vanaand.
17 May 2011, 19:03 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-237:
something like:
“Luke is back
my personal crack
my no. is 083 222222 add another 2
I love you
PS Im good in the sack.”
…just off the top of my head.
17 May 2011, 19:06 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-238:
Couldnt agree more. The Sharks should be replaced by IMPI KINGS in 2013 S15.
17 May 2011, 19:06 pm
Naaa. I ain’t obsessed and that’s plain sisgusting.
17 May 2011, 19:09 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-243:
Sorry Ma’am, I seem to have grossly misjudged your character. It’s just that you say so little, and I’ve had to draw conclusions from other bloggers posts.
Friends?
17 May 2011, 19:21 pm
The best thing HSM can do is to keep Luke out of the spotlight and let him be reintroduced to SA rugby in a “calm” manner.
Allow him to concentrate on playing and let him do his talking on the field.
Of course he will never convince some of the jokers on this blog, but then again it’s not them he has to convince.
I truly hope is “loaned” to a S15 franchise next year in order for us to judge his form against the loosies that will be vying for a Bok spot.
Luke stay away from the covers of mags, get the Kings playing good rugby, lead them with integrity (if you are made captain) and let things take care of themselves.
Welcome back and good luck !!
17 May 2011, 19:22 pm
got to go out and get some electricity before the lights go out
ciao.. ciao
behave yourself some more my little queen Jeanne d’Arc … easy on the you know what … look after yourself
17 May 2011, 19:28 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-245:
Thats right.. thats what they shoulda done from word go instead of all the saintlihood and the opposite villainhood that goes with it
Luke should have been Bok in 2005-06 , any other player with that degree of natural ability and natural leadership type attitude would have been… except here where rugby is hardly ever just about rugby .. and is so often about so much else
anyway.. night.
17 May 2011, 19:36 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-247:
Once again Skop ……………you are right on the button !!!!
17 May 2011, 19:58 pm
@gunther(gunther)-236: Ja, him and old Gary Glitter.
17 May 2011, 20:28 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-201:
Would you like to produce some evidence to back up your conspiracy theory? He antagonised his team mates & many, many Bok supporters.
At the time he said what he said and he behaved the way he behaved. He was not popular post-Jake either.
Having said that since 2009 he has cleaned up his act and I for one will give him a clean slate. So welcome back Luke
17 May 2011, 20:37 pm
@Biscuit(Biscuit)-250: Good post … calling it a conspiracy theory between White and Smit is as moronic and one sided as the people that are so anti Luke.
I’m no fan, but hey everyone makes mistakes and it looks like he is here to correct them. When all is said and done, he remains a talented rugby player.
Look at the rugby Quade Cooper is playing, not too long ago he was being arrested for housebreaking or some stupid cr@p. Luke isn’t the 1st or the last professional sportsman to screw up – at least he seems to be taking a new better approach.
17 May 2011, 21:34 pm
this guy had a difficult childhood i reckon.
his father was so driven and involved luke too early in his development.
kids are easily influenced by parents and naturally follow their guidance.
as a result, luke became a bit of a rebel against the establishment without fully realising why.
as he matured, married, became a father, moved away from the overbearing influence – he has become his own man.
now he just has to keep away from the media and become a normal professional south african rugby player.
and play his best with his mouth firmly shut.
17 May 2011, 21:37 pm
White was sh’t scared of Luke … for one he tried to muscle the kid when he was a junior and told him if he wanted to play in HIS team he must convert to hooker because he was too small for flank… and Watson rightly told him to shove it… that he was a flank and that was the position he played and was going to play… and in senior ranks through 2004-2006 Watson was THE standout open side flank in this country by far… even the opposition like McCaw and Smith who played similar roles to Watson in their teams couldn’t fathom what the hell was wrong with SA coaching when they were getting pummeled 49-0 and the rest while leaving their very best open side flanker right out the picture.
In S12 and S14 through 04-05-06 Watson was THE standout flanker in all SA franchises… far more efficient than Schalk at the open side position.. and rugby players like Frik Du Preez knew it and were getting agitated at the stupidity of the coach to ignore it while getting hammered 49-0 and not acknowledging the absolute facts.
White protected his designated enclave of players at expense of ostracizing others.. very poor koptoe type school master over lording attitude.. so why you think he’s not wanted in SA coaching environment after winning a world cup? its because the players who played under him know it.
White was afraid of Watson and perhaps with good reason.. because he knew that his authority would be threatened.. he also thought rightly or wrongly that Smits authority might be, and so he threw out smoke screen bullsh’t like he’s too small or he don’t need fetchers except for beers from fridges and the rest of the bullsh’t jargon to evade the realities.
White needed to protect his protégées, Burger and Smit with every little trick he had in the book or up his insincere sleeve so he made Watson this pariah… poisoned the players under him to despise him and effectively ostracized and maligned him to be the cancer stick in the association.. why would Smit go and say such a thing if it hadn’t already been conditioned and implanted in his goody two shoes self ambitioned head long before already?
Same thing at Stormers.. why did Watson HAVE to go play in Bath.. when he had a good, or a far better season as captain with WP in CC in 09 than either Schalk or JdV had had before him.. Watson galvanized the younger players that have come through now to make the nucleus of the team through that 2009 CC season and at the end of it he was the one who had to make way for Burger.. who isn’t a captains behind in comparison.
Its because of the powers that be behind the scenes.. Burger was always earmarked by a select breed of influential rugby aficionados out of the wine country to be the so called WP messiah.. so even if he don’t have the real credibility as a captain he has been forced to assume that mantle … and Watson was the last and worst candidate for them to allow to aspire to that because he did NOT represent or conform to the holy entrenched WP 100 year old traditional heritage that Burger does.. even if Watson was the better player or the better open side flank.. he either had to play 8 and not his preferred position because Burger OWNED NO. 6 jersey.. even though Burger ain’t a No. 6 period, or he had to make way for Burger totally in 2010 because the gauntlet was laid down that either Watson departs or Burger does.. so Rassie basically was between a rock and a hard place.. somebody had to be the pariah messiah martyr and fck off so the other could flourish.. simple.
White and Smit almost made a pact of making Watson to be this black sheep scape goat that the rest of the team hated… the stupid utterances that Watson might have made long after when he made some off cuff remarks at a political type university closed meeting was far more a reaction to the way he had been treated by Whites Boks before then to what he actually felt from an ideological standpoint… it was a reaction to being the ostracized dumping ground which White and Smit had set up in order to protect their own little closed enclave of buddy buddy exclusivity… which in real effect was incredibly short sighted.. selfish and narrow minded plus immature of White who was basically sh’t scared of a young 20-21 year old rugby player, to do so.
There suck on that conspiracy theory.. its way more truthful than fanciful.. what you mostly wanna believe is the opposite.. that he was too small or too politically motivated or White didn’t need a fetcher, or he was too much of a cancerous infiltration into the team dynamic when in fact the real cancer was coming from the other side of the equation.. White and his little exclusive enclave were the real proponents of cancerous attitudes and not what was at all coming from Watson.. Watson was the scape goat and the recipient or the plaintiff in the movie.. White and Smit were the self protective instigators and the self serving objectors.
17 May 2011, 21:54 pm
@charo(charo)-252:
Yip that is the bottom line
what is the background to this whole saga is that around about 2000 or 2001 or thereabouts both Watson and Burger competed at No.6 at Craven week for their respective regions, and both stood out as top rated open side flanks for the future.
White already earmarked his preferred candidate and was far too conservatively enshrined in his closed mind attitude to bend out of it. Watson as you correctly observe did have some rebellious instinct however together with that self resigned rebellion type resilience came some strong leadership potential. This is what White was afraid of. Instead of embracing and utilizing that robust attitude he preferred to negate and deny it.
In the long run Watson turned out to be the far more effective open side proponent to Burger as was plainly evidenced when Brussow usurped Burgers role through Burgers suspension and injury in 09. And this could all have been properly short circuited long before in 05 already if the coach at the time was big enough to acknowledge his own failings in recognizing what was plainly visible to most instead of digging his conservative and rather negative heels in in order to protect his so called own against the objective of the whole.
Fortunately for them it panned out and the team did pull through to take honors at WC 2007, but the snot en trane that preceded all that was to my mind unnecessary and what we are left with now is the actual legacy of that short sighted attitude because this team simply hasn’t moved on at all since then for almost the very same closed minded reasoning.
17 May 2011, 22:15 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-253:
skoppie – your best post ever.
pretty much the way i see it as well ….. with possibly a few side agendas.
lw was the media darling at the time and used this focus to promote his own, perhaps paternally distorted, rebel attitude to gain revenge against white and smit too.
however, who cast the first stone? was luke’s hardegat attittude the reason white disliked him (schoolmaster v pupil mentality) or was it white’s fixation with size and, dare i say it, team spirit?
a bit complicated and, no doubt, there are different, valid views.
off the topic……..
seen your offerings re mercenary sharks union and their jonny-come-lately supporters.
mate, try being a bananaboys supporter in cpt in the 70′s and 80′s.
the sense of entitlement shown by the weepee supporters was an eye-opener.
natal has never been a big producer of top rugby players – too many english genes? so being a supporter of them was more difficult than any other group in the country.
perhaps some of these weepee blokes gaaning on about history etc should put themselves into a long-suffering natal rugby supporter’s shoes.
fortunately, once again, the english, colonial outpost once again proved it’s intellectual prowess by embracing professionalism and leaving the “historical” unions in their dust.
love it 8)
17 May 2011, 22:15 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-254:
So what I was actually trying to lead to here before I side tracked myself was that both Burger and Watson had similar parental influences.. one was the shiny white knight in shiny armor from out the established traditional heritage.. and the other was the complete opposite.. the revolutionary anti establishment stand up and fight for your independent rights type swart skaap of the status quo.
Watson was influenced by Cheeky and Schalk by Schalk senior.. One was brought up to be the new generation leading proponent for the ardent WP and Bok aspirations and the other was brought up to admire the resistance of the struggle movement to overthrow witbaas oppression.
Such an environment of directly opposed propaganda and aspiration is a recipe for a small scale nuclear fallout between the relevant opposition ideologies in the movie. White inherited the stage and Smit was the cornerstone of his castle. Burger his knight in shiny armor, and Watson the villain of the piece and the dirty black hearted scoundrel rascal.
It all panned out perfectly to script.. except for the fact that the villain is now almost the next messiah to some, and if Boks fail badly at this impending WC Watson’s job (perhaps even both senior and junior) as the next messiah(s) becomes a whole lot easier.
Its almost as if the entire conflict of interests has been brought about through the younger generation but driven by the older one. Schalk senior and Cheeky for instance were and are two of the far bigger players behind the scenes in such a saga than anyone actually cares to see as the underlying conditioning.
Had it just been a bunch of young kids all coming together to compete like for like on equal measure on a rugby field as players playing out their socks for recognition and future selection then the playing fields would have been even and none of the bases loaded. But it weren’t the case.. some had an inside track scenario far more favorably aligned to the traditional heritage of the desired ideology than the other… and therein lies most of the inaccurate reasoning and sentiment that drove this thing way out of kilter to what was or should have been in effect a simple rugby decision or solution.. as it would have been in an environment not laced with so much traditional or revolutionary influence from the parents… from both sides… and the coach siding with one and not the other.
17 May 2011, 22:20 pm
@charo(charo)-255:
erm…not “english colonial outpost” – “british”
before jockbok crucifies me 8)
17 May 2011, 22:25 pm
where on Earth is SodaJoe these days ?
why is it that we lose the good ones only to be replaced by the Boy Georges of this cyber-World ?
17 May 2011, 22:26 pm
brilliantly put and extremely insightful skop
your legend grows .
17 May 2011, 22:27 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-258: yeah…i miss that oke
17 May 2011, 22:29 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-253:
thats deep sh*t right there, Skop. I almost feel like I should be taking Communion after that.
17 May 2011, 22:30 pm
@charo(charo)-255:
You know in spite of all my little digs at the sharkievarkie last outpost colonialists here and my somewhat one sided reasoning as to why I generally back the other team, even Bulls, which for me is some kind of step into the vast ulterior parameter of thinking, I actually think Sharks might very well win Saturday.
If I analyse the setup carefully I reckon Sharks have a better balanced side overall and they also have a better playing dynamic and strategy currently. Bulls will employ their usually one dimensional approach of moer en maak sag up front while kicking and controlling play through FdP and M. Steyn. WO vs Bosman or Dippenaar vs Terrblanche and back lines in general won’t be very influential Saturday apart from perhaps if Lambie really steps up or Jacobs is brought on early enough and shows why he’s still one of the most effective game breakers around, or Basson dazzles like he’s able to.
Sharks overall carrying and continuity game is far more robust and effective through Alberts and Deysel and even through utilizing Daniel to roam, link and fetch and / or Botes in the thick of the loose, they will have a far better momentum than Spies, Potgieter, Steggman in my estimation.
So actually for me in real honest assessment here I don’t really have a preferred winner Saturday and in all sincerity may the best team win, because far as I’m concerned at this point they both pose equal threat to Stormers ascendancy, whereas in 2007 S14 final I backed the Bulls for some reason in that game wholeheartedly. Maybe on game day I’ll suddenly pick a team from these two to support for this particular occasion, but from where I sit right now they can both fck each other up and cause as much mayhem to each other as possible and I’ll simply sit back and enjoy the spectacle.
17 May 2011, 22:40 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-262:
as i said during our good meeting at your local a few weeks ago – don’t take this blog and it’s bloggers too seriously.
when you don’t get sidetracked by jibes you post the most intelligent views on the complicated, maddening, political and illogical thing called rugby in south africa.
thyat’s why, when i see your reponses to sharks bloggers, i understand it is a reaction more than a rational view.
17 May 2011, 22:41 pm
sharks will do the business in Durbs……its a moer of a tough place to play….M Steyn kicks poorly there, will not have the same impact as he does at Loftus.
Sharks front row , if bissy, beast and jannie, will get the upper hand and spies will add to his array of poor matches as alberts terrorises him!
Botes always plays well against Bulls and is fit again…..he will counter steggies at the breakdown.
Bulls are still struggling …sharks do not have a lot to fear imo.
17 May 2011, 22:43 pm
“Former Wallabies coach Eddie Jones has slammed the Super Rugby format saying it will take Australia 10-15 years to build up its playing depth.
Jones told Radio Sport the expanded format has exposed Australia’s lack of playing stocks.
He says there’s no way Australia can have five top class sides and they are just diluting the pool.
Jones says there’s no short term turnaround and the Brumbies, Rebels and Force don’t have the talent to do immeasurably better over the next few years.”
17 May 2011, 22:45 pm
sharks must trust there game plan and not get into a skop en jag fest with bulls….keep ball in hand and take the bulls through multiple phases…..those big bulls locks will struggle with a fast paced tempo…..
mc cleod must get ball away quickly and Lambie must dictate ….as he can.
Show up the 1 trick pony M Steyn once and for all.
17 May 2011, 22:46 pm
@charo(charo)-257:
I’m watching
17 May 2011, 22:47 pm
Weather looks good in Durbs at this stage, about 19dg and 12kmh winds !!
Should be a spectacle !!
17 May 2011, 22:48 pm
breaking news…..
Dan Carter expected to announce that he will sign a new contract today with NZRU turning down a reported NZ$8m 3-year contract from Racing Metro (Paris) amongst many others.
watch this space
17 May 2011, 22:49 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-268: see you early in the a.m bud!
17 May 2011, 22:50 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-269: great news for Sanzar
17 May 2011, 22:51 pm
@grant10(grant10)-270:
Cool !
17 May 2011, 22:52 pm
Cheers all, Skop excellent posts about Luke !!!
17 May 2011, 22:56 pm
@grant10(grant10)-266:
well i’m hopeful.
adi is playing at 12 so it will be interesting to see how he goes against timotei.
shouldn’t be too difficult to defend a a straight runner – adi’s so-called lack of defence is is bullpoo in my opnion.
to me basson is the big danger – if he gets good ball.
that bloke is such a beautifully balanced runner – reminds me of carel dup.
otherwise;
front row – sharks
locks – bulls by a long way
loosies – sharks because spies is a passenger
halfies – hmmmm petty even
centres – with adi starting i would say about even
back 3 – about even.
close, close game. might depend on a bad bounce or a ref blunder.
17 May 2011, 23:04 pm
Luke still has to prove his credetionals as player. First and foremost. At the highest level.
Lets’s not get too carried away. And he still walks in the shadow of his father. Like it or not. Cheeky did that, Luke pretended to. No escaping that. Luke in fact clings to it.
17 May 2011, 23:04 pm
fact is that Luke was Not the best flanker during all the periods that skop is calling. THE standout player not.
at the moment he is probably Not in the top three number 6′s in the SA.
i don’t have anything against the oke. but that’s just it. apparently if you don’t rate him it is because you don’t like him. where the problem starts.
it’s alot like comparing any other position. ex. some would argue who is best between lambie/ grant/ jantjes/ ebersohn/ cronje/ james/ pienaar while we all know steyn is still number 1.
a matter of your personal preference and the combination of the ideal 15 you would like to choose. maybe brussouw fits. or burger. or stegmann. or botes or daniels. luke or whoever.
how many cricket players in india. 11 get to represent. it helps if you are connected i figure.
what about every player that was almost there. that didn’t get the break. maybe because of bee. whatever. why is there such a massive furore over the selection non selection about this guy. why was grobbelaar never exalted.
schalk got irbb player of the year during that time. surely the stellenbosch conspiracy is not able to organize that. his play is shorting something these days. but after what 5-6-7 years of human wrecking balling.. what do you expect.
wrt to these serial bloggers who think there is someone actually giving a lemmings *** and that there are fanbases surrounding any one contributor – well that is just funny. the ping of only one string.
17 May 2011, 23:15 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-253: im goin to copy this post and save it then every time i log on to Keo, i will open my blogging account with by pasting it so that the word can spread.
Excellent stuff.
17 May 2011, 23:17 pm
@shooter(shooter)-276: Yes, good post.Shall I support you,
Seriously, with all SAs talent over the years at 6,7,8 Luke Watson never really featured in my opinion
Journos wrote him into a team and politics actually selected him into a team.Luke is so far off the S15 rugby pace after his time in Bath that he would be a slow water boy
17 May 2011, 23:22 pm
266. grant what went wrong? you are so negative about some players. one trick pony? now that’s just uncalled for.
you need to use 24 alliterating words in one sentence if you aspire to be besem and skoppie.
morne has done 5 years at the bulls behind hougaard the original liefling. apprenticeship of note. and a nicer guy blah blah. but it’s true. he played 12 15 and 10 off the bench. he has always been dependable. sometimes spectacular.
the guy you want to win a tight game for you. and wha is wrong with his play when the bulls are dominating? so which area is it that you are actually dissing him for? the bulls’ gameplan? his ability to kick 90% over a season? his ability to kick one step drop goals from anywhere close and maybe further?
defence? or when the bulls ran in more tries than anyone in the season?
when did he let the bulls or boks down? remind me.
being progressive is a big (balancing) act.
17 May 2011, 23:24 pm
of course its just one opinion .. but when Frik Du Preez, and plenty many other ex Boks of the period plus opposition players and coaches alike recommend that Luke Watson WAS the best open side flank to play the game in the S12 through 2005-06 here and NOT get recognized is tantamount to dire inequivalent and bias and nothing else. (as in past tense – same as Burger WAS IRB player of the year in 2004 – which by virtue of his coaches denial Watson was never even given the chance to ever be nominated let alone recognized) it simply shows an agenda and somewhat of a conspiracy… and a pretty big one at that.. Shooter maybe for ideological reasons prefers NOT to see Watson’s potential and actual contributions at open side flank same as White did not, could not, and simply would not.
But Frik Du Preez DID, so did George Smith, Richie McCaw and Aussie and NZ coaches alike, and many objective enough supporters around the globe and in this country. Obviously prejudice and ideology play a big role in likes and dislikes of anything and anyone, but objective rugby reasons were simply NOT used to deny Watson his opportunity to show what he was made of on the bigger stage through his best years as a rugby player which was 2004-05-06… Now is too far gone, just like Smith, Burger and others are past their prime, so is Watson and younger more virile and mobile players step into the breech as it should be.
As for throwing up Grobbler as a counter argument thats just plain stupid, Grobbler never was in any way anywhere near to the quality and ability of Watson or Van Niekerk or Wickus Van Heerden or Ernst Joubert for that matter, all players who to my mind were top rated rugby loose forwards here who were not given enough scope to show their worth.. but Watson at No.6 through 05-06 was simply unsurpassed in S12-S14 competition and players who voted for him as best players player knew it as did his opposing opponents like McCaw and Smith when the coach of the national team couldn’t or simply wouldn’t.
17 May 2011, 23:31 pm
@JL1(JL1)-278: exactly. but we shall see. i mean. do we, because of pressure, now play riaan viljoen in place of francois steyn? or do we select every player who makes politically motivational speeches?
but i won’t go further than that. because this has become a big ball to play with.
17 May 2011, 23:34 pm
Obviously Van Niekerk had his time in the sun as did Van Heerden who was the backup to both Schalk and Smith, but Ernst Joubert was never recognized and should have been.. same as Watson was recognized by many but was chosen to be an enigma or a cancerous influence or some such servile and bias judgement as a strangely false purpose for keeping him out the team.
Thing is though many in and around the rugby fraternity both here and abroad could see it, the closed community of the Bok enclave could not, and therein actually lies the bias because why the outright refusal to even consider the possibility, when in S12-14 the kid was almost winning some games single handedly and making waves at open side that no other flank was doing during that period when we were losing 49-0 and the rest.
17 May 2011, 23:35 pm
Horsemanure.
The side issues are precisely all the speculations raised above.
The real issue was whether he was good enough as a player, i.e. better than Burger and the other flankers in SA to merit selection as a Springbok.
That is, and should only have been, the issue. Some say Yes, others say No. White said No. Those that said Yes, decided that those who said No must be motivated by other side issues, such as political, midget, captaincy or cancerous discrimination – take your pick of conspiracy theory.
The biggest pluk many have is not pa’s politics or even pukie on the bokkie (tho oom frik probably shat out his rooibok braai); rather it was that Watson was percieved as having being given special dispensation and being backed by political powers that included a forced inclusion bypassing how every other player was selected.
As for personal assessment of the characters of the respective players involved, it has always taken two too tango. And the Watson jnr has always had very powerful ambitions of his own. How does a player who supposedly only want to come back for rugby purposes then agree to be represented by the biggest media PR machine in SA rugby?
This is fine, its human nature, but make no mistake, none of them are holier than the other and all are indoctrinated in their own way. In short it take two to tango and this story is not black and white at all.
17 May 2011, 23:40 pm
With all due respect to the guy, he is a good club rugby player but he isn’t good enough for the SA backrow. In fact, I don’t think he’d make any of the 6N backrows. That said, he’s as good, if not better than Pierre Spies.
17 May 2011, 23:43 pm
my ideological reasons are not suspect. i don’t have to remind you about that.
i understand he maybe did not get selected for the boks.
but recognition he got. by players and some.
it is only my opinion that he was not the best. for every high profile player that rated him, there were one who didN’T think he was THE best.
that’s the only point i’m making.
as for grobbelaar. it is an anology i’m making. if you could take an acid an imagine that finkel WAS Watson – i.e grobbelaar’s play with luke’s name, circumstance and talk and controversy. would it not have been exactly the same? question therefore. is it really about the rugby still. because because every-one has an opinion – merit could be relative.
17 May 2011, 23:43 pm
@shooter(shooter)-281: Naah you still stuck on politics that is your entire problem.. its you making this a political showdown… Its you looking at the ideology and not the rugby player… same as White did and every other nay sayer that was too sh’t scared to even consider giving the guy a chance at LEAST to prove one way or the other on the open rugby field.. you already made your mind up simply because the boys surname happened to be Watson of all people that he was inferior… exactly the same way White and his closed circle of yes men did.
Total insincere conspiratorial type closed minded ideological thinking… and that is the entire problem of the entire Luke Watson showdown… it was always political even before the poor kid played his first junior rugby game he had to carry that stupefied rubbish cr@p on his shoulders instead of simply playing rugby and showing and PROVING what he could do… they banned him from Bok selection in their MINDS before he even laced his boots up to run onto the field. Like you are doing still.
Watson saga is klaar, he cannot come back now at age 27 and compete against the young players of today.. when he should have been used was 2005 and 2006… even when Burger was INJURED and we LOST 49-0 he didn’t get a look in while he was winning games for his franchises at open side in S12-14. Now you wanna come spin me nursery tale rhymes when there was NOBODY close to his caliber then and that is precisely why we lost those big margins but the coach STILL would not even consider to even vaguely consider him. Pure fear factor stupefied bias reasoning and nothing else whatsoever.
Bullsh’t baffling brains here supreme.
17 May 2011, 23:44 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-282: Tiaan Strauss, never moaned, never threw his toys out of the cot. A real man, he just got on with it. Not even a bad word against Kitch after not being chosen and then being told he was the best.
Gary Teichman dropped by Mallet, but Teichman did not puke, he just carried on.
You know why?Because the game will always be bigger than the individual
17 May 2011, 23:53 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-282: if you’re a player and asked to comment on other players. you don’t hear too many like smith/ mccaw say… no he is really ****. i love playing against him…
no no no. they say pc things like ‘he is one of the best in the game today.’ or ‘ ‘he is a class outfit and probably deserves to be up there’, ‘i will be surprised if he doesn’t play for the boks this year’….
but really. i laughed when loftus boooed him.. because he was asking for it in general for a long time. the same will happen when ex torres goes to white heart lane in a chelsea shirt… it’s part of the game.
but in SA we must take it personal. ha, long way we have to go.
17 May 2011, 23:56 pm
NOW he is only a decent club level player perhaps correct.. BACK THEN he was international quality absolutely and the BIG issue here is Burger was INJURED through 2006… we LOST 49-0… Watson was REFUSED even a chance to show what he COULD do and you arseholes still talk sh’t out your naysaying arses forever and a day…
White was PREJUDICED no two silly arsed ways about it… Watson was negated through 2005 and 06 when Burger was injured… we were losing by big margins… every rugby scribe and ex player that knew something about the game was calling for his inclusion… AND he was voted by his own players as players player of the season… But White ostracized and ridiculed and denied his ability and his POTENTIAL.. that is the bottom line
And you idiots are thick because your own inherent negating tendencies plus your conservative rallying a round a doos of a coach with a bias objective and agenda in this regard won’t see simple clear black and white reasoning
Its simple… and its futile to talk sh’t round this topic forever.. i know clearly why this coach could not or would not give the guy a chance and it was because he was afraid and protective over his own position plus that of his captain and his no.6 protégées… simple.
I’m not going round and round again and again about this issue cause its clear as day what the conditioned reasons for his omission were… talk sh’t around it all you like, won’t change the real reasons around it ever.
17 May 2011, 23:57 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-286: dear skop. i have been living in botswana for most of my life. i live here today.
i couldnt care about your black/white politics even if you want me to care. i told you my observation from an objective as possible view.
i get that what you are saying, that i am making an issue of the side show. which i am doing IN my argument. but that is not the basis of my argument. my opinion in terms of rugby is stated in 276.
17 May 2011, 23:57 pm
@JL1(JL1)-287: then Tiaan Strauss left for Australia… come on, on top if it, he went on to play for the national team. bad comparison boet.
Teichman,was forced into early retirement, thanks to who?
come on Boeta!
17 May 2011, 23:59 pm
Cab. good post. sounds like something you hate your mother hear to say..
but too true too. hey i’m an alliterist and i didn’t even know it.
18 May 2011, 00:06 am
Tiaan Strauss was cut up about it and went to Australia as direct result and started playing rugby for them
Teichmann was very big about it and Mallet I think apologized later.
White came and stuck out his hand at the good Samaritan church as if to say sorry old chap alls fair in love and war sorry I fckd you in the eye when I should have given you the chance but we all good Christians here so lets just turn the other cheek and forgive and forget.
Keo climbs into bed with Jake.. finds out he’s a snake… then runs to Luke who was the cancerous snake in the bad old days
what a lovely merry go round circus.
18 May 2011, 00:09 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-289: now that’s just an empty promise
? joke
not so long as keo writes articles on the guy.
anyway. neither would i. i know about such scenarios first hand. in sport. about not making it. about who is to blame.
etc etc.
before that. why was clive eksteen and claude henderson never made number 1 bowler for SA after taking 50 plus wickets domestically for 5 season in a row. no. we had some other average guys, some who was ok and some who ‘did a job’.
contentious and very long issue, this of selection etc.
i understand your opinion. and take notice of it.
all we can say is ‘and then’.
18 May 2011, 00:16 am
@SHARKattack(mabu)-291: What happened to Teichman was a travesty. Great player.
What a lot of people dont talk about was the bad blood between Joost and Stauss which was one reasons he left. Struass was brillant too.
I am not sure what hapened but Joost hated him so much.
18 May 2011, 00:21 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-286: would he have made the difference?
i think in his game he got close to selection in MY 15 team. but at the time i remember not having put his name down in my team as the one for the 6-7-8 spot.
come to think of it. maybe other players have been selected in the past, in any position, that maybe should not have been there for that long. in that sense he could have been chosen? ag you know. it’s been like that since the days from playing barefoot rugby at trials for far north.
he just has a lot more decibels behind him.
btw, i think grant10 is going to try and influence you to become a sort of cheerleader for another player, who is almost at the exact same precipice of a career being made or nearly.
18 May 2011, 00:28 am
this whole thing actually started and before i got sidetracked i wanted to say.
BBBBBBBBUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
It’s gonna be a tough one. we’ll take a win even with 1.
18 May 2011, 00:31 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-295:
I see you ignored my post about B.Lawrence and your criticism of him during the Lions vs Brumbies match.
Are you prepared to admit that you were wrong yet ?
18 May 2011, 00:37 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-295:
“Great game **** ref. Lawrence should be fired for numerous calls going against the Lions.”
“But then again its SANZOO. I wonder why Bryce was not sacntioned by Paddy after his terrible reffing the Lions game. He was worse than the poor saffa ref that made one mistake against the kiwis and sanctioned by know head Obrein. Kiwi ref kiwi in charge of refs you do the maths.”
I dunno, Kevin, you tell us
Brumbies vs Lions Match Officials =
Referee: Nathan Pearce (Australia)
Assistant referees: James Leckie (Australia), Andrew Lees (Australia)
Television match official: Matt Goddard (Australia)
Meanwhile, Bryce Lawrence was in SA refereeing Cheetahs vs Crusaders. The Crusaders lost, under a Kiwi ref, in SA, with the turning point of the match being Viljoen stealing ball from the ruck whilst clearly coming in from the side – he then passed the ball out to Ebherson for the Try that put Cheetahs in front.
*ahem*
18 May 2011, 00:39 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-298: I told you I wont tell you where I live.
Stop stalking me.
I am not that type. I like girls not old men
18 May 2011, 00:53 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-300:
and I love exposing serial bullsh*tters
looks like youre IT !
18 May 2011, 05:36 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-301: Bwahaha haha thats the pot calling the kettle.
You are the top of serial trolling and bs. More than half your posts are bitching at saffas, getting into handbags with all and sundry Peaches.
You have ignored one of my first questions when I arrived on this site, when you were still WAKA, as to why you constantly fight with every one. If you need a battle dont fight aparthieds ghosts, that 17 years ago, find a new just cause instead of trolling.
That was a greatest fishing expedition so far. Too easy. Here comes poops.
Luke Watson is back in SA and has signed a management deal with Highbury Safika Media where Mark Keohane is the COO. So we dont have any conflict of intrest Keo with your reporting and your new signings. Is that what the Mujati articles were all about?
18 May 2011, 05:43 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-299: Bleating!Go to the naughty step
18 May 2011, 08:42 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-302:
blah blah blah “all refs cheat” blah blah blah
“aparthied ghosts” ? Ive never ONCE talked, nor care for, politics on this blog. Ever.
as for Peaches, well I happen to think she’s rather cool. And she’s as proudly Safa as anyone here.
altho I do note that all scum here seem to stick together, always blaming refs, never acknowledging nthe opposition was better….look, and heres my little cockroach as if on cue…..
@JL1(JL1)-303:
……like 2 bullsh*tting peas in a pod.
18 May 2011, 09:05 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-302:
I made the deduction quite some time back that he is a serial Troller and Flamer.
The poopal is here for one reason and one reason only..to stir. You will not find one positive or reasonable comment that one could debate on in a positive light in any of his previous contributions…it’s all a wind-up for a potential *** for that girlish argument…which the Troll wants.
poppa69 is thankfully a genuine blogger and has made insightful contributions to this website, but this sad cretin has another agenda unfortunately.
His comments are childish and bitter and we should ignore him.
18 May 2011, 09:17 am
“we should ignore him” – so says PrePrawn, my personal stalker.
That’s awfully nice what you said about Pops tho, Im sure he will be delighted. It will be the first Minute to be discussed at the upcoming Trolls AGM.
18 May 2011, 09:25 am
poopal69 has been known to have genuine rugby banter with the evil nasty Serf Efriekens.
His posts are mostly tongue in cheek but he has the emotional intelligence (like Hurricane) to put aside deeper agendas to come down off his high horse to mix it up with genuine bloggers and talk sense.
You however are a strange fish.
18 May 2011, 09:40 am
Struggling a little with the ‘ignoring’ bit, aren’t you PrePrawn.
18 May 2011, 09:47 am
This will be the last time that I ever comment on or read a keo blog. I am afraid that next time I log on, there might be a picture of Keo gobbling on Puke’s c-o-c-k!
Cheers Keo, it has been real. Favourite tab deleted
18 May 2011, 09:50 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-253: A pretty decent post by you for once… No fkadilly or “coollycreeper” to be found anywhere. Strange. Lots of emo and maybe playing to your gallery of “vouching” sycophants. But lets dissect this long post of “wisdom” a little bit, if I may.
You start with: “White was sh’t scared of Luke”…. He was? Why would he be “scared”…? As you intimate, (it must be said rather inefficiently with all the colourful language), ex-school teacher White probably did not like his authority challenged and was obviously aware that with certain personalities he would have more friction with than others. Because he was building a TEAM it was paramount that he could trust his players and that they could trust him. He certainly could not trust many other people in the SARU setup and certainly not the Cheeky Watson and cronies faction who definitely had it in for White. Now White wasn’t the first coach or person in authority to distrust Luke Watson. This distrust and friction happened as early back as his time at High School and at the Sharks where he was seen as a divisive character. But White himself is no shrinking violet innocent because he also did not cover himself with glory in certain instances eg. his time at the Sharks and his time in Nick Mallet’s setup where it seemed to be that if he wasn’t seen as the “bees knees”, as such, he would cause friction himself. This probably stems back to his need to be in control as moulded by his many years as a teacher and being the classic “Big fish in a small pond”. So you have two quite flawed characters, one who was a mini-dictator and one who liked to see himself as a rebel with a cause. It would have helped if the rebel with a cause was a once in a lifetime outstanding talent – say a Reuben Kruger type player – but he wasn’t and still is not. In fact he is not even fit to polish the shoes of this Springbok legend.
Most, other than your emo responsive lackeys, would not agree with you that Watson was THE standout flanker in all SA franchises through 04-05-06 when Schalk Burger was at his best during 04 particularly. Indeed the man won the IRB player of the year award in that year and was considered the pre-eminent flank on the planet at that time. Not just by White but by the International Rugger community, hence his award. Its all very nice to cast these emotional pearls but not when it is tantamount to bulldust of the highest degree as just demonstrated.
You also talk of tricks, pacts and conspiracies to the level of Alex Jones and Prison Planet… They make for entertaining reading but they are fiction at best and downright untruths at worst verging on the libellous. I doubt White “poisoned” his players to ostracise Luke Watson, rather he was ostracised as a result of:
1. The Vomit on the Bok Jersey episode
2. By proclamations of him as being a “quota” player by politicians in Cheeky’s circle
3. By being forced on the team for a game with the appearance and perception of non-merit
“White protected his designated enclave of players at expense of ostracizing others” – Although you are right here, is that not what all coaches do? Kitch had his group, Mallet had his, Carel DuP had his etc, etc etc. Coaches the world over tend to entrust a certain group. Funnily enough, entrusting a core group is the foundation of success as demonstrated by successful coaches the world over eg Rod McCall, Clive Woodward, Ian McGeechan… and so on with your comments on “White needed to protect his protégées”….
As for the “threw out smoke screen bullsh’t like he’s too small or he don’t need fetchers except for beers from fridges and the rest of the bullsh’t jargon to evade the realities” – simple. His preference for certain player types is well documented, I consider it a fault, but it isn’t an anti-Luke conspiracy because the guy was and is not important enough talent wise.
I can’t really comment on the behind the scenes bulldust at WP but this seems to be another rehash of all the Prison Planet jargon you have mentioned but just reapplied to the Disa setup. A simple question comes up time and time again with Luke – at all these places and with all these people that Luke has a falling out with: from School, to his Junior representative level, to the Sharks, to the Boks, to WP… Is it that all these people are in the wrong and Luke is hard done by or at least poorly understood… Is he absolved of all responsibility and all these people are wrong?
Its obvious that you are a Luke supporter despite his many faults, but for me at the end of the day I would compare Luke to the highest benchmark: Reuben Kruger…. Team man, Leader, Body on the line in every match (running with a broken ankle to scored a try while being held by a couple of opposition), Universally admired, Trustworthy and undoubted talent and skill…. I, and many others, find Luke Watson coming up short. He just is not worthy.
18 May 2011, 09:52 am
hey, PrePrawn
someone with the same ‘emotional intelligence’ as you just left the building
I’m sure there’s still room for 1 more in the lift.
18 May 2011, 09:54 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-310:
Boet I think there are two bloggers using the same name. Either that or he has a split personality.
It just doesn’t make sense how the cretin can go from one type of grammar style to another…unless there are two people…
18 May 2011, 09:58 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-312: Lol
18 May 2011, 09:59 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-311: Fark off you sheepshagging twat…
18 May 2011, 10:00 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-310:
Notice how his dad deflects all the blame away from Loook and explaining it all away by saying that he was infuenced by others….
If Sheeke’ was my father I’d tell him to stop speaking on behalf of me. The more the buffoon opens his mouth the more the wounds will reopen.
Geez but this oke needs to get himself out from under his father’s dress. The time overseas clearly must have done him some good…he could finally discover that he did indeed have a pair of balls to stand up for himself in a POSITIVE way.
18 May 2011, 10:01 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-307: You are helluva right… Not the first time blogger’s see Panty for what he is… an unmitigated cnut…
18 May 2011, 10:03 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-314:
The saying goes that “the truth hurts”…it’s hurting right now.
Silly fellow isn’t he….fighting his one man crusade against the heathen South Africans…
18 May 2011, 10:05 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-310: You don’t have to go to such great lengths to explain mate! I don’t care what the Springbok emblem stood for in the past. For me, it is all about what it means today. And anyone who wants to puke on it because the sight of it makes him feel queasy, deserves to be left out in the cold. I don’t know about the other years but in ’05 Luke definitely was the form loosie (fetcher) in SA. And I use to have quite alot of time for him but that was before his “puke” comment. No matter how much growing up his done in the UK. He is a divisive character and hampers team spirit.
18 May 2011, 10:08 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-315: Look, it seems Cheeky has played a good part in farking up his son’s career… But Luke is just not as good as his one eyed supporters make out… There are better players… There have been better players… couple that with a rather divisive character that leads to distrust in the team and coaches and bob’s your uncle… rather have someone else in the team… Luke is just too high maintenance, but without spectacular talent… Now if you were talking about DC being a primadonna and having to make allowances then yeah sure people may not like it but would understand… But Luke is an at best fairly decent loosie… nothing more.
18 May 2011, 10:11 am
@BokiNZ(BokiNZ)-318: Just thinking and getting serious for a change
I don’t think Watson is a player good enough to deserve the hype…
Just thinking, I wonder why Mallet never selected him for the BaaBaas… or did he.
18 May 2011, 10:12 am
Anyway… My tuppence for the day… Got to go.
18 May 2011, 10:17 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-319:
In all honesty I have not seen the kid playing for some years. Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and see how he performs for the Satanyoka Kings. how that franchise will further his career is something I am not convinced about. Once again I think his father has a lot to account for there.
How long it’ll take before he gets on his moral high horse…well that’s yet to be seen. Maybe he has genuinely changed and has come back a more together youngster….we keep forgetting that these rugby players are quite young and Loook has been adversely influenced by his first and foremost influencial figure, which is his old man.
18 May 2011, 10:24 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-314:
ho ho ho ho
ha ha ha
HOOOOOOO HOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO !
keep THAT comin, sweetheart !
KevinRack offers up his sacrificial offering on the same day Boy Georges voice finally breaks
whats next – Big S.Hit finally reveals his Natalian Passport ?
its not my birthday…..is it ?!?
BaXXies !!!
18 May 2011, 10:26 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-316:
I’ll treasure this gift, forever.
Thank you so very very much. Its the thought that c’unts.
18 May 2011, 10:43 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-323: Mate, time to shut the fck up! On numerous occasions you have showed you are just as one-eyed as any Saffa supporter on here. In fact, one-eyedness is the pre-requisite for any passionate fan no matter where he hails from. And the reason why the threads and posts have a ‘slight’ SA slant to them is because this is a SA website afterall as denoted by the .za, if you didn’t notice. You’ll get the same thing on stuff.co.nz. In fact, have a read at what Jamie Joseph had to say about the difference between the NZ and Aus conferences. And then compare that to how Alistaire Coetzee’s dig at Aus rugby was portrayed on the same site. They are both saying the exact same thing. AC said it first though. Also, compare the comments on both threads and you will see your *** is as black as any other around here. Get off that fcking high horse, mate! You might fall off
18 May 2011, 10:48 am
@BokiNZ(BokiNZ)-325:
The Troll will come back with what she thinks is a clever snipe. Stand-by.
Emotional intelligence….
18 May 2011, 10:57 am
Sad to see keo still accurately symbolises the ‘harmony’ in our country.
Fair play to Watson for admitting all that he has, even though it’s common knowledge.
On the other hand, is it impossible to let your talent do the talking? Does he even have enough supporters to justify the publicity stunts? The whole affair is rather stale, and I’ll be damned if I get riled up by something that, in the grand scheme of things, does not matter.
The fact that a man who justifies murder, personifies hate and epitomises stupidity is an idol to the masses is a slightly more pressing matter, don’t you think. Off to vote for a racist, female ******.
18 May 2011, 10:59 am
M o n k e y isn’t allowed? Hahaha
18 May 2011, 10:59 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-326:
Can’t wait. By now, we all should see through this joker’s MO. Not to be taken seriously, I know, but it’s hard not to respond
18 May 2011, 11:05 am
@BokiNZ(BokiNZ)-329:
Not to be taken seriously has always been my mantra.
He’s on the Carter thread and talking his boys up as if they were conquering Nordic gods….too funny.
18 May 2011, 11:12 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-330: Its the Kiwi way. Pulling out the superlatives for mediocre players all the time. “Dangerous” Kahui and all that…Funny thing though that we as Saffas lap it up and actualy believe in the hype
18 May 2011, 11:14 am
Not that DC is mediocre in any way. Donald, Kahui, Cruden, Donnely etc, is tho.
18 May 2011, 11:21 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-307: Yeah, you’re right… Despite Pooper69 and I both having a good old go at eachother on Keo I could honestly say I could see myself having a good few beers with the b.ugger… We’d probably land up slugging in the carpark outside the pub…
but then again I have done that with my best mate who was my best man… Banshee and his other half farking dreads it when staying at one another’s houses or going holidaying together… Ends in tears but then man hugs all round…
I suppose its recapturing a bit of wild youth and also a change to the professional facade… Being real over a beer… or ten… reset the inner self.
With a fool like Panty you could never do that… Like Luke Watson, too untrustworthy…
18 May 2011, 11:22 am
@BokiNZ(BokiNZ)-325:
frankly m’dear, I dont give a damn.
The tosh and rubbish Ive read about all things NZ from you rather discount any credibility you now seek. I keep to rugby here, exclusively. I dont delve in to who’s wine is “sh*t” or try to make out my waves are bigger/better than Charos. Neither do I go anywhere near politics – and how many here on a ‘rugby blog’ can say that.
I do, however, have a natural predilection to exposing serial bullsh*tters but, you could be right on that front – because here, thats like fishing with a hand-grenade.
btw – noone owns .za or even .nz In fact, you can say whatever you like in NZ without fear of repercussions – they let you in to NZ, after all.
18 May 2011, 11:24 am
@BokiNZ(BokiNZ)-332:
Kahui is a superb player.
18 May 2011, 11:25 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-333:
*sob sob*
who blew out the candles ?
18 May 2011, 11:27 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-330:
so 1 minute youre advising bloggers “to ignore” me
and the next
youre telling them which other thread Im on ?
ho ho hooooooooooo
18 May 2011, 11:31 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-334: Try and blow smoke up someone elses ***. We’re not falling for it anymore and btw…about that predilection of yours. It doesn’t apply to you, does it? You must be the biggest bullshitter of all
18 May 2011, 11:31 am
I heard that NZ is trying to get people to live in the country due to their dwindling population.
if they need me to donate my superior blonde haired blue eyed genes then they should just say so. A couple of Arien 6 foot brickshithouses would be more representative of the Kiwi rugby team than cheap Island imports I’m sure….
18 May 2011, 11:34 am
Like talking down to a child. He knows I can see all the threads on the right side of this blog.
18 May 2011, 11:35 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-335: So you say. He is avg…at best. But we already know that superb is the Kiwi equivalent of what we know as avg. DC is superb. I’ll give you that. So is Read and a couple of others if I cared enough to list them all. Kahui? Seriously. He is not!
18 May 2011, 13:39 pm
@BokiNZ(BokiNZ)-338:
I tells ya what, if youre so convinced Im a “bullsh*tter” – a fabricator of information – then it must be incredibly easy to prove it here on a forum where every word is preserved and available for reproduction. Transie tried for a while (and he’s still “watching me”) thought he’d finally found the answer only for the Chinese melon to rudely blow up in his face.
It got a bit messy. But I must warn you, from the evidence proffered to date, Transie is – by some considerable distance – your greater superior in the forensics stakes.
I even offered to sacrifice myself on the Keo Altar to your fellow migrant, Whatever (aka ‘bottom-feeding pondlife’) if he was able to produce evidence that pegged me lower than him on the Moral Food Chain – and yet he’s still locked up in his smelly hideout in the basement with the curtains drawn and a ready supply of tissues.
but good luck, all the same.
18 May 2011, 13:40 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-339:
frankly, that was beneath even you, PrePrawn.
18 May 2011, 13:45 pm
@BokiNZ(BokiNZ)-341:
so, Kahui is “average, at best”
do you mean like “all NZ wines are sh*t” ?
or
“noone in NZ is going to the RWC” ?
I love Kiwi wines, amongst many other nations produce incl SAs. I also happen to think Kahui is a superbly skilled player and the only thing that has held back him reaching his potential is his bad luck with injuries.
But these are merely opinions, no right or wrong. Half of bloggers here want Smit at 2, others would prefer him at Saracens already. Doesnt make them ‘bullsh*tters’ either.
18 May 2011, 13:55 pm
I always find comparisons between Luke and Schalk not only ludicrous, but insulting to both players.
Very different personalities.
Completely different players.
One is a 6 flank, the other is not.
18 May 2011, 17:36 pm
OK so clearly I’ve missed 345 comments and we are now almost completely off topic… But doesn’t it piss you guys off that this article is basically saying that Luke is talking down to the Springboks by being “open” to representing the springboks??? Like he could be persuaded if the right deal was made etc… I don’t know if this is how he feels or if its just the wording of the article but it’s pathetic to volunteer the fact that you would be available for selection, as if the only reason you werent selected was because you hadn’t been open to it before… And he has Bok ambition? SO does every guy who’s ever played rugby man… If he’s aiming for the green and gold then he should say so. If he isnt, fine… But don’t make it seem like he’s has a choice to play or not as he feels like it.
18 May 2011, 18:02 pm
@Tarlo(Tarlo)-346:
“open to” is no less than journalistic mischief-making, surely.
18 May 2011, 21:21 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-310:
Top post HG.
I love your summing up at the end – brilliant!
18 May 2011, 21:23 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-312:
4 sure – 2 writers one name.
18 May 2011, 21:35 pm
wrong… same writer
that’s how exactly dumbfucked you all are so full of your dumbfuck highfalutin selves you dunno fuckall from nothing
especially where it comes down to the LW – JW issue which was a clear case of ostracized victimization… nothing but
The END result was all these mitigating or unmitigated factors like puking on jerseys and all the rest of the cancerous bullsh’t stories
Simply check it out as it exactly WAS through the development of the entire saga.
2005 -2006 LW was the form No.6 in this country – no two flying fuckadilly ifs about it … far superior to SB
in 2006 SB was injured and Boks got fucked up 49-0 by Australia under JW and JS – yet STILL no LW anywhere near after R. McCaw and G. Smith and others proclaimed him to be the best open side flank in SA as did a number of other people including the majority of his peers who voted him players player of the year here in SA.
JW ostracized and victimized and defended his position throughout
And the two faced cn’t in the saga is him and not the other… same as most you two faced cn’ts here are… especially this jelly wobbling piece of garbage two faced Rhodesian outright right wing racist Herr Goebeldigwatsticks hiding out in the mother country where the two faced little c’nt actually belongs.
18 May 2011, 21:38 pm
@Inevitable(Inevitable)-348: Thanks mate. Appreciate it.
Can’t let shampoodleshagger think he is has sole authority on bulldust….
18 May 2011, 21:44 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-350: Jeez you talking twak about this “specialist no 6″ thing… SA does not typically employ classic blindside and open side flankers even at the time you mention: 04/05/06… Now you saying that Watson was the “best 6″ in the country… Okay, tell me Einstein, who were the “6′s” that were his inferior competition at that time…
18 May 2011, 21:49 pm
Go check who played in that 49-0 disaster and tell me who got fucked up like that and why?
Go check all the 2005 S14 games and who was the standout SA No.6… and no it was NOT S. Burger. In spite of what JW or IRB might have thought.
18 May 2011, 21:58 pm
Like Willievz correctly says its a poor comparison
One was a No.6 – LW
and the other wasn’t – SB
If these dumbfuck useless coaches sop riddled with ideological fear factors could get the stupefied sleep from out their dumbfucked eyes they would have seen at the time that there WAS a proper open side flank ready to step into the Bok frame ALONG with the other strengths available like SB and JS and JvN
But they preferred to simply CLOSE them and talk CR@P about beer fetching and the rest of the mind wobbling bullsh’t baffling brain stories to smoke screen themselves from the absolute obvious that they were victimizing and ostracizing a particular case for reasons plainly and utterly NON rugby related… big fat EGO protectionism related for sure.. cause the little dumbfuck idiot coach was too much of a jelly wobbling little insecure cn’t himself so he needed a whole fortress of cn’ts around him ALL believing that the man on the outside was a cancerous dangerous and undermining influence who will erode all his aggrandized fanny faced tricks he was hanging onto for his dear face saving life.
19 May 2011, 02:18 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-342:
Oi *** nut , don’t bring me into your sh it fight with everyone. You a low life bullshitting troll who does not like the truth.
Lets re-cap:
I highlighted the % Marori/PI prison population % v the total pop % on a trhread that was discussing that topic and then got branded a racist? Go figure
I tried to understand why most posts were anti SA and suggested maybe cause a Saffa shagged your wife? A bit low, but hey par for the course on this blog.
By the way, is she still giving out biscuits??
You know the saying, if it gets too hot……….faaark off
Idiot!
19 May 2011, 04:28 am
the reallity is. Luke will never wear Bok jersey again.
But I support his crusade to revive OP
The Elephants will rampage again!
19 May 2011, 10:03 am
@whatever(whatever)-355:
bottom-feeding pondlife
Its quite clear that you have very little respect for anyone but yourself. You have pyscholigical issues respecting women – cue repulsive accounts here of what you get up to with your ‘Kiwi girlfriend’ (of which Im sure she has no knowledge that you have shared with cyberspace). Big man huh. Brave huh. There have also been repeated references of explicit sexu@l nature about another mans wife, and mother of children. All from the safe sanctuary of your musty basement haven.
You also clearly have no respect for ethnic minorities, linking them as ‘criminals’ and think nothing of making sweeping generalisations with grotesque negative connotations. It was noticeable at the time that whilst quite happy to manufacture ‘racist’ accusations towards Poppa, you were unhappy when similar observations were made of yourself. Thats because you are clearly mentally immature.
You were given the opportunity to show that your behaviour here was ‘the norm’, or as you now say “if its too hot in the kitchen”, and only after failing to do so you then succumbed to the only method youre comfortable with – repeating the same accusations as you do now again.
You are scum. A piece of filth. Dog t’urd.
And always will be.
20 May 2011, 02:59 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-357:
You must actualy be very thick twat face!
I have made no racist comments on this blog ever……….and I’ve been here awhile.
Read my comments in the context of the convesation that was taking place you idiot. It’s basic educational stuff. The context of the thread was the contribution of Maori/PI’s to NZ, both positive and negative. My quote, was a quote taken from a minister in the NZ Parliament. It was relevant to the thread! Do I really have to explain this to you you thick dooooos?
The reference to your wife has been explained ad naseu. Get off your high horse and grow a pair. You come across all fekking holier than thou when it suits. Real small man syndrome stuff.
You are a fekking dooooos of epic proprtions and always will be and you never answered my question? Your wife still giving out biscuits?
20 May 2011, 03:42 am
Now controversial former Stormers skipper Luke Watson has seriously questioned the Super 15 structure, arguing that Australian teams have been given an unfair leg-up.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/watson-adds-to-sneers-at-australian-schoolboys-20110519-1euzy.html
20 May 2011, 08:52 am
@whatever(whatever)-358:
S C U M
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