Cape heavies to stop Bulls at source
8 Jun 2011
JON CARDINELLI speaks to Stormers forwards coach Matt Proudfoot about the crucial set-phase battle and why Victor Matfield will prove difficult to contain.
The Stormers have established themselves as the new bullies of the Super Rugby playground. Only three teams have stood up to them at the collisions in 2011, and in many ways the Reds, Crusaders and Chiefs have provided the blueprint on how to beat the Cape-based side.
While it should be another bloody affair at the tackle point this Saturday, Proudfoot is expecting the Bulls to target the Stormers' set-piece before striving for gain-line dominance. If the visitors succeed in compromising the Stormers at source, they will build momentum and eventually fracture that famed defence.
'There's no doubt in my mind that the set-phase battle will determine the outcome,' Proudfoot told keo.co.za. 'There's no getting around the fact that we have to confront them at the set-piece. We can't allow them to dominate these facets of play because once they build up a head of steam, they're extremely difficult to stop.
'The Bulls have a strong pack and kicking game, and we aren't expecting them to stray from their traditional strengths. What they do, they do well, and with their formidable lineout, they may attempt to maul us in an attempt to get on the front foot.'
The battle within a battle between Victor Matfield and Andries Bekker should be worth the price of admission. Both men are celebrated for their individual abilities as well as their impeccable lineout leadership.
Proudfoot admitted that only so much analysis could be done in preparation for a side containing Matfield, the Springboks most capped and decorated player. If Bekker and company don't anticipate Matfield's movements this Saturday and the Bulls manage to dominate this set-piece, the visitors will make inroads into the Stormers' defence.
'It's going to be very hard to put pressure on Victor at the lineout. He's just so good at absorbing pressure and I'm sure he'll have a few tricks up his sleeve,' Proudfoot said. 'When the Bulls establish set-piece dominance and start to maul successfully, then they usually build on that dominance by carrying the ball a lot more and challenging at the collisions.
'At the breakdown, the defending side will try to slow down opposition ball in order to give their team more opportunity to realign for the next phase. But whether we're on attack or defence, we have to put the Bulls under pressure at the set-piece to give ourselves the best chance of winning the collisions.'
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8 Jun 2011, 05:33 am
collision, collisions, collisions dragons…
Man up and that’s half the job done.
8 Jun 2011, 06:47 am
In response to JC’s thread: http://www.keo.co.za/2011/06/07/test-of-discipline-for-breakdown-bandits/ as I wasn’t in yesterday.
SuperSport apparently thought it was 18 penalties to Stegmann by the weekend, and not 22.
Anyway, just using Ruggastats we see the following:
By far the majority of Louw- and Stegmann’s penalties have been conceded at the breakdown (Tackles+assists+rucks). Things such as not releasing/rolling, sealing, hands in, incorrect entry, etc.
Deducting about 3 penalties off of the total of each for those not conceded at the breakdown:
Tackles made:
Stegmann: 226 (51 assists included)
96% success rate. (10 missed)
Louw: 171 (23 assists included)
91% success rate (missed 16)
Breakdown (A+D):
Stegmann: 474 (309+165)
Louw: 345 (212+133)
So penalties per total breakdown is:
Stegmann: (700/19) = a Penalty every 37 breakdowns.
Louw : (516/13)= a Penalty every 40 breakdowns.
So Stegmann isn’t the liability he is made out to be. Stegmann and Louw follow the same trend in conceding penalties at the breakdown, but Stegmann simply does much more work than Louw.
It’s fine to say “Louw conceded less penalties”, but Louw does much less work than Stegmann in the area where the vast majority of the penalties have been conceded.
I would rather have the hard worker in my team, seeing as their penalty RATES are the same per breakdown.
Has anyone complained about Coenie Oosthuizen leading the penalty count in the S15? Has SuperSport displayed his penalty count before a match? I didn’t watch every Cheetahs match, but I bet they didn’t.
Why didn’t SuperSport instead of displaying at the start of the Bulls-Tahs match that
“Stegmann has conceded 18 penalties in the Super 15?
rather say:
“Stegmann has made the most clean-outs in the Super 15 (of all players)”
or
“Stegmann is the leading South African tackler, and 3rd overall in the Super15 (Assists included)”
…Why not? Because it’s the case.
Furthermore, Stegmann has had less game time due to usually being replaced in the final quarter and rotation with Kuun. This speak volumes about the immense work load that Stegmann handles in every match. Stegmann is as important to the Bulls as Brussow is to the Springboks, and I think it is important that either one of these players should be on the field in every test match.
8 Jun 2011, 06:49 am
The Bulls have the advantage although the Stormes’ forwards as a unit is the best in the game.
Their forwards can apply pressure on Coleman who will struggle anyway with the inaccurate, slow service from Januarie
They can milk points from the absurd Stormers’ b(l)ack three by kicking behind short up and unders, will force the Stormers to allocate extra loose forward on defence something the Bulls can exploit up front, the Reds and the Chiefs did just that.
8 Jun 2011, 06:59 am
I’m not even going to apologize for bringing this up again and reminding people what they missed out on. Things such as this that JC wrote yesterday motivate me (as many times as it is said, as many times it can/should be corrected):
“Opensider Deon Stegmann has come in for a lot of criticism, and deservedly so. The Bulls’ No 6 has conceded 22 penalties, a figure that goes some way to justifying concerns that he’s battled under the breakdown law interpretations. He still makes some important turnovers, but when he gets it wrong, he costs his team territory and points……….Of the two flankers, Stegmann has struggled for consistency, and he will struggle once again if his team fails to get front-foot ball.”
Well firstly, I pointed out above that both Louw and Stegmann concede penalties at the breakdown at the SAME RATE per breakdown. So JC isn’t justified in saying what he did.
Secondly, it is tiresome to hear of “front-foot ball” in every articles as some umbrella phrase. Stegmann and Louw operate at their efficiencies regardless. This is part of an attempt, in my eyes, to get Stegmann branded as a “front-foot bully” as these writers love to do here on this blog.
Are penalties really the only issue that these people can find wrt Stegmann’s game? Well then the issue should be even more concerning to them regarding Louw. What is the real problem here? People have their favourites, and JC has a platform to defend his, whether there are better players in line for the position or not.
8 Jun 2011, 07:03 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-2:
He is the Bulls most valuable forward
Most referees rule the breakdown to unsubstantiated reputations, so they penalise Steggman often for nothing, Louw is a brash offender who challenges the referees often at the breakdown, probably inspired by McCaw’s getting away with a lot..
Kaplan refereeing favours Stegg for his refined, better technique than Louw, wait and see.
8 Jun 2011, 07:05 am
@Hondo(Hondo)-3:
“They can milk points from the absurd Stormers’ b(l)ack three by kicking behind short up and unders…”
Oh, I see what you did there, Hondo.
BLACK three is it? What is your problem? If you really are racist and proud to be so, could you please not post such remarks here and give people the ammunition to hate you (and by some shot the race you apparently represent). OK?
Furthermore, “short up and unders”? Where? When? So simply is it? Well seeing as this thread is a Proudfoot interview I hope he doesn’t read that post of yours and receive his enlightenment and amend his defensive routines, then us Bulls are really screwed.
8 Jun 2011, 07:09 am
@Hondo(Hondo)-5:
OK good, can you please stick to such posts?
And yes I know about the refs. Stegmann conceded 1 penalty this weekend and it was for not rolling away. But it’s clear to anyone in the world that Stegmann was caught in the ruck, and nowhere near the ball or preventing placement. Joubert penaliezed Stegmann anyway, because he jsut can’t ref a Bulls match withou pinging Stegmann as we have seen in the past, and this Stegmann “penalty-risk” myth all started with Craig Joubert last year as well.
8 Jun 2011, 07:10 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-6: How he hasn’t yet been banned is beyond me
8 Jun 2011, 07:21 am
Oh this KeoTV is pure gold.
8 Jun 2011, 07:24 am
@flanka(flanka)-8:
Uh, I dunno, and I don’t really want to get involved.
But just to clarify a bit, concerning the penalty rates I mentioned of Louw and Stegmann being 40 and 37 per breakdown (roughly) respectively, with the total to each player being:
Stegmann: 700
Louw: 516
obviously the penalty counts are relatively SMALL numbers.
And with Stegmann being at almost 200 breakdown MORE than Louw, adding each number will have quite an effect on the rate conceded.
In other words, if Louw actually did more work, by adding opportunities for the flanker to concede penalties as they tick in, it can be seen that his rate would most likely supercede Stegmann’s!
That’s what I’m getting at here, Stegmann is actually a damn fine breakdown player and quite neat at the breakdown for the influence he exerts on the match considering the forward pack make-up of the Bulls and their game plan! YET< they want to say the opposite of Stegmann and Jon Cardinelli and co. try to openly mock Stegmann fo rthis very thing! Why?? It doens't make any sense unless they are pushing for a favourite against common sense and it is indirectly an insult to rugby fans and readers of this blog.
8 Jun 2011, 07:26 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-10:
well, supercede=exceed really
8 Jun 2011, 07:38 am
Bakkies and FDP out for this weekend’s clash.
8 Jun 2011, 07:44 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-10: 1 out of every 10 posts of his is an informed rugby post, the rest are plain racist….so getting in a conversation with him ultimately gets anyone “involved”…..at the end of the day both stegmann and flo aren’t game influencing breakdown exponents like pockock or richie so really this game is about dominance at the collisions, consistently breaching the advantage line (something burger has been doing exceptionally well) accurate penalty kicking (coleman seems to have decent kicking shoes on him) and perhaps a moment or 2 of brilliance by aplon, basson, JDV, JF or Hougie
8 Jun 2011, 07:45 am
i agree with this Agile fellow.
Those penalty stats must not be seen in isolation.
I also subscribe to the philosophy that a traditional opensider should be on the field for 80 minutes of every Bok test match.
Currently there are three interntional world class opensiders in SA….
Brussow
Steggmenn
F Louw.
Two of them should go to WC…..
A lot depends on the make up of the WC squad, regretfully I believe PDV will only take one of them.
8 Jun 2011, 07:48 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-11:
Is your real name Deon by any chance???????
Why dont you bring in the amount of carries with ball in hand into that stats????
Cause Stegman almost never carries the ball where Flo does loads more and getting over the advantage line……time spent running Stegman into the ground will favour Stegmans stats in tackles made! Brig in the ball carry stats….lets see what was Flo doing while stegman was lying all over the ball!
8 Jun 2011, 07:49 am
@grant10(grant10)-14:
Again…stegman is not near the calibre as FLo and Brussow….because he cant carry the ball for you!
8 Jun 2011, 07:50 am
@flanka(flanka)-13:
Well I disagree, Brussow and Stegmann are in class of McCaw and Pocock.
BTW, as you spoke of gainline breaching, gainline success:
Burger: 52%
Stegmann: 78%
Of course Burger has carried almost 3 times as much, but that is his role, and brings me back to what I said at post 10. I’m just pointing out that Stegmann is a very capable ball carrier, something the haters conveniently like to forget.
8 Jun 2011, 07:53 am
@Hoops(Hoops)-16:
Well Pako, try ask me the questions in the order I have them written out for you LMAO, read post 17, I wrote it as you wrote post 16. What a coincidence?
Nope, you are a typical hater in that category. This is too good. I have more examples if you care to find out. Stegmann makes 4.3 metres per carry, Flo 5. Whoopdidoo, Stegmann gets involved in the traffic.
8 Jun 2011, 07:56 am
@Hoops(Hoops)-16:
(In case you were wondering, Flo’s is 61% in comparison to Stegman’s 78%. So must we now conclude that Stegmann can bust tackles better than Louw?)
8 Jun 2011, 07:59 am
@Hoops(Hoops)-15:
“time spent running Stegman into the ground will favour Stegmans stats in tackles made”
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Pre-coffee post? Gotta love it.
8 Jun 2011, 08:02 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-17: I don’t hate Stegmann, I just have my own opinion of him, in my words he is k a k.
8 Jun 2011, 08:04 am
@Kea-Cat(KEA)-21:
“in your words” hey?
Well you seem to have quite an impressive vocabulary…
8 Jun 2011, 08:28 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-2: I responded on that thread,. but for clarity sake I’ll repost it here:
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-204: Love the way you use the stats to support your argument, rather than illuminate it.
First is was the simple penalty count, when you thought Steggies had less than FLO. (he doesn’t)
Then it was penalties per minute played, when you thought Steggies had less. (he doesn’t)
Now it’s this convaluted formula.
Fact is fella, you cannot measure the two players objectively. The measurement will always be subjective, and come down to who wants to pick him.
Steggies isn;t a bad player, we get that, but he definately has weaknesses. We get that, you don’t.
PS we get that FLO has weaknesses too.
8 Jun 2011, 08:31 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-22: I have but when it comes to Stegmann there is only one.
8 Jun 2011, 08:32 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-10:
very strange to compare how many rucks each has attended when there is no way to identify how many they had the opportunity to attend. also is it defensive rucks, or both attacking and defensive?
also you may have noticed stormers dont commit many players to rucks compared to the bulls. can you identify what percentage of attended rucks result in an effective contribution, steal slow down etc.
i am not advocating one player over the other, only highlighting that simplistic comparisons like you have done are based on extremely flawed analysis.
quite simply, who has conceded more kickable penalties, thus costing his team ore points? who has won the most turnovers? who has scored or created the most tries?
even comparing tackle stats is misleading as it does not take into account how many tackles the team has made or how much of each game they spent on defence. i’d prefer to know what percentage of their teams tackles each has each effected.
so, stats aside it comes down to pure subjectivity. unless you’re able to make the statistical comparisons somehow meaningful.
neither would make my bok squad for world cup.
schalk brussouw juan alberts duane spies. rossouw, as 4th lock also covers back row.
my starting back row would be brussouw, smith, schalk. with danie and bekker on the bench.
8 Jun 2011, 08:32 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-23:
No I dont think you understand.
Firstly, the stats differ from SS to ruggastats by 4 penalties.
Secondly, I never brought minutes played into it.
Thirdly, what I said is really sefl-referencing and common sense. I am not taking anything out of context and using it as some sort of pseudo argument.
It isn’t my fault if people don’t have the common sense to see that.
8 Jun 2011, 08:33 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-10: PS Steggman has to hit more rucks than FLO because Spies does bugger all.
Also, you’ll notice that everyone, including the commentators talk about how few men the Stormers commit to the ruck, allowing the defensive line to be better organised.
We have 3 very good “ruck hitting” loose forwards, Duanne, Schalk and FLO. They don’t all have to be there all the time, they share the load, where Stegmann doesn’t get that benefit,
It doesn’t make him a better or worse player, just a different player playing in a different system. You cannot compare that stats as they are not “apples with apples”
You are not going to find an even basis for comparison in this case mate, the variables are just too many. If you took a step back you’d see that.
8 Jun 2011, 08:39 am
@munkiboi(munkiboi)-25:
Firstly, I outline the attacking and defensive ruck (A and D)
Secondly, ruggastats that Jon used doesn’t have pilfers, only t/o affected in the tackle.
Thirdly, there is ALWAYS more work to do in rugby.
Lastly, how many ways are there to interpret say, tackle success? Stegmann has 96% and Burger has 89%
I mean who do you think, statistically speaking, is most likely to miss their next tackle?
Or stats such as a kicker’s sucess rate. If Steyn has 78% and Grant has 61%, who would you back to kick a penlaty?
Or would you say that that is taking things out of context? The rest is their for your own discernment. Not my fault if you cant read between the lines.
8 Jun 2011, 08:40 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-26: Relax, i get your point, but see above for further clarification,.
PS you’ve been referring to penalties per minutes played for some time now. not nescessarily in your specific post above, but you’ve been talking a lot about it for sure.
Just try and see my point, you cannot compare the two, they play in different systems and have different roles. None of the Stormers loosies have a specialist role like Steggies, they all do the same things, they all take the ball up, they all hit the rucks, they all get stuck in underneath to slow the ball down, it just depends on who is on the side of the field that the tackles get made,
What I will say is that it is clear that this year, the Stormers system is much more effective than the Bulls. Last year too, as we conceded less points and tries ever in the history of the comp, and as you say, slowing the ball down and allowing your defenders to organise themselves is a major job of the opensider.
We just have 2 opensiders doing that, while you have 1.
8 Jun 2011, 08:42 am
@munkiboi(munkiboi)-25: I addressed some of the same points in my post without seeing yours. Well said, and I echo your sentiments.
8 Jun 2011, 08:45 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-27:
“PS Steggman has to hit more rucks than FLO because Spies does bugger all.”
Actually, it’s more like:
“Spies doesn’t have to hit more rucks because Stegmann does it all.”
I don’t think I am comparing apples and oranges. Even Jon compared the two. Why cant I continue in the same way? Flo wears 7, Stegmann 6. I have said before that apart rom the set pieces Flo takes over an openside role ahead of Burger. There is ALWAYS more work to be done in rugby. And yes the players are applied slightly differently, but the way the Boks hope to apply the openside if they are planning to use Brussow is the same way Stegmann is used. Just saying.
You can’t view the stats in isolation, but as I wrote to munkiboi in post28, they can help indicate which players bring what to certain facets of the game.
8 Jun 2011, 08:46 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-29:
“PS you’ve been referring to penalties per minutes played for some time now. not nescessarily in your specific post above, but you’ve been talking a lot about it for sure”
-Actually that was last year.
And for the rest see post 31.
8 Jun 2011, 08:48 am
@Kea-Cat(KEA)-24:
Ja so K A K (your choice word) he has 2 Super Rugby titles and a Currie Cup in 3 years being the first choice no.6 of most successful franchise in South Africa since his days as a 21-year-old.
8 Jun 2011, 08:49 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-32: I know it was last year. You’ve been on about the FLO vs Steggies thing for some time.
8 Jun 2011, 08:50 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-28: @stormersboy(stormersboy)-29:
I reckon you boys will just have to go outside, whip ‘em out, and measure ‘em.
That’s the only way you’ll get to settle this…
8 Jun 2011, 08:56 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-34:
yep. But…..
This all started with a debate about Stegmann’s penalty count, and apprently it isn’t out of fashion and JC brought it up in yesterday’s thread…so here is the response. Criticize JC for taking things out of context and simplifyiing matters and insulting our intelligence, NOT ME!
When it’s a case of the uninformed claiming that “Stegmann concedes too many penalties”, I CLEARLY POINT OUT in post 2 that Stegmann’s penalty RATE is the same as that of another Springbok flanker, Louw, and that the TREND is such that if Louw did as much as Stegmann at the breakdown than his would exceed Stegmann’s in all likelihood.
What is so hard to understand for you guys? This isn’t taking the stats out of context, this is the first steps in analysing them.
8 Jun 2011, 08:59 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-36:
than=then
8 Jun 2011, 09:01 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-31: All Stats do is give you raw data. It’s like comparing kicking stats. Where were the kicks taken? In front or at the edge of the field. How far back?
All stats can do over time is give you an indication of who is relatively effective vs another player in a very specific context. But this has to be seen in th broader context of team dynamic, conditions and combinations.
It is true, and i’m not saying you have no point to make whatsoever, that Stegman is the closest “twin” to heinrich Brussow that we have.
The question is whether firstly, he’ll be as effective as him in the same context, and secondly, whether this is still the way to go, tactics wise.
If you were to simply use statistics to make a decision then you would obviously say that the Bok Trio should be the Stormers Trio, the Sharks, front row should be the Bok Front row, and the Bulls second row should be the Bok second row, because as a unit they work the best together. (Hold on, aren’t we almost there already)?
We both know it’s not as simple as that. The two teams play different systems, and with varying degrees of success. the Stormers defensive system is the moste effective in Super Rugby over the last 2 years, while the Bulls offensive system was the most effective last year, with the Reds being top this year.
The biggest challenge for a Springbok selector is to choose the individuals that will best suit the 15 man purpose and style of play. And we all know that this is where the problem is.
FLO was dynamite for the boks last year in certain combinations, and less effective in others, although the team as a whole, including might Vic and others were equally poor in those games. Does that mean FLO is the answer? That’s not what I’m saying at all, but it does suggest that he’s a very good option, like 12 other loose forwards, Stegman included.
The final measurement as I’ve always said, will be mostly subjective, after all the above is taken into account. That’s why they pay them the big bucks.
8 Jun 2011, 09:01 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-36:
If Stegmann has you for him, who can be against him?
8 Jun 2011, 09:05 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-35: rather than compare ours, we should be comparing Francois and Deons.
Now that’s a stat worth talking about
8 Jun 2011, 09:05 am
Both of them give away penalties, as does Ratel, nature of the job of a fetcher, most times the refs get it wrong anyway so those penalty stats are skewed !!!
Who cares that one has given away slightly more than the other, all fine players but we alll know Ratel will be picked , if fit.
If not then anyone of Steggs or Flo will do !!!!
Move on chaps !!
8 Jun 2011, 09:06 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-38:
“All Stats do is give you raw data”
Round and round we go….
“The biggest challenge for a Springbok selector is to choose the individuals that will best suit the 15 man purpose and style of play. And we all know that this is where the problem is”
+1…and then they intend to use Brussow….and then as you and Matfield agree “Stegmann is the closest thing to Brussow”.
“FLO was dynamite for the boks last year in certain combinations…”
Actually FLO was dynamite against the minnows.
8 Jun 2011, 09:06 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-40:
8 Jun 2011, 09:08 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-41:
“anyone of Steggs or Flo will do!!!!”
Yeah, Flo will do if Stegmann isn’t available, and if Burger isn’t available.
8 Jun 2011, 09:09 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-40:
A hot topic down there in the Cape?
8 Jun 2011, 09:11 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-42: So was Victor against the minnows, and **** against the others, Thing is, you can’t say that he’s bad if the whole team was bad.
And you know my opinion of FLO. I prefer PLO as a proper opensider, i just don’t think they are close enough in styles and roles to be able to compare. That’s my point.
You can try and compare Heinrich and Deon, that would be more accurate, but you’d have to compare them both in exactly the same setting (ie both playing for the Springboks against the same teams with the same team mates), which is nigh impossible, otherwise your comparison is less valid, which is my point.
8 Jun 2011, 09:13 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-45: Not particularly but then i don’t get out as much as i used to
8 Jun 2011, 09:18 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-46:
Yes, I know, I considered that, it’s clear as daylight, the comparison is still valid and the two are vying for one position in one team. And at provincial level, the two fulfil much of the same role and are comparable. Anyway I have to remind you again that this started with the penalties that both concede and both have to compete all the same under the same rules at indiviual breakdowns. The penalties there are mostly in isolation and pretty explanatory the way I outline it using the stats and short discriptions.
8 Jun 2011, 09:24 am
The Stormers have established themselves as the new bullies of the Super Rugby playground??? I would wait to lift the trophy before you get off saying stuff like that. I suppose this is the Fox News version of a rugby blog. Biased propaganda one side bullshit lies with a dose of conflict of intrest.
The Bulls props are the bullies backed up with Daniesoraus and the invisible man Steggies.
I have my chair and my meds already primed for this game.
8 Jun 2011, 09:31 am
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Super15/Stats-favour-Habana-over-Bjorn-20110607
“Stats favour Habana over Bjorn”
by Stephen Nell
LMAO.
I mean, what is wrong with me using stats to aid in comparing Louw and Stegmann in very constrained areas of the game as I do, when this Stephen Nell writes stuff like this and GETS PAID FOR IT!
Ok all you guys raising objections to me and my approach, go on over to Sport24 and take Stephen Nell out
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