Comments on: KeoTV: PdV gets it right

By: ikantspel(ikantspel)

ikantspel(ikantspel) — Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:10:36 +0000

Keo sounds like his info is dead cert; if it is 10 out & 3 in, please please let it be as ffg:

Out:

Mvovo
Odwa
Meisiekind
Butch
DuaneV
Ashley
Flip
Jannie
Strauss
Coenie

In:

Basson
Sadie
Mujati

On standby:
Viljoen
Mvovo
Meisiekind
Butch
S Pretorius
Ashley
Flip
Jannie
Strauss
Coenie

By: Big Hit(Big Hit)

Big Hit(Big Hit) — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:20:40 +0000

@munkiboi(munkiboi)-79: Smit at 3 is not the worst plan Munki and the results bear that out. If the Boks could get Bismarck, Beast, Smit, Steenkamp all putting in a high intensity shift in one test they would be in a great position. Most times the scrum is not the winning and losing of any game, collisions and rucks as you say carry much greater importance.

By: Tbozknows(Tbozknows)

Tbozknows(Tbozknows) — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:23:48 +0000

What about Sarel Pretorius. Surely he deserves a call up.. Hugaard is a good utility player, but Pretorius has been amazing this year.

By: grant10(grant10)

grant10(grant10) — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 05:21:05 +0000

@munkiboi(munkiboi)-79: are you 100% completely and utterly out of your mind! Smit at 3!! FFS my man why dont you just personally go hand over the WC to the opposition! Most ignorant post I have read on keo in a year!

By: Blitzbok(Blitzbok)

Blitzbok(Blitzbok) — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 04:31:34 +0000

@TheAgent(TheAgent)-76: I fail to see your point. How many of those bully boys at younger level make it successfully at test level? Most end up being technically beaten with the senior level opponents. Body positions and all those things are inferior. Thats why we rely on brute force to compensate for our technical shortcomings. Because we do not coach these aspects of the game properly. Like I said, we still have coaching methods from the 60s and 80s!! And we do not have a system of progression for coaches like Nz. Nobody really knows who the best backline coaches and forward coaches really are. So we end up paying the price for this.

By: Blitzbok(Blitzbok)

Blitzbok(Blitzbok) — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 04:27:18 +0000

@munkiboi(munkiboi)-79: With Smit at 3 our scrum got manhandled badly. We were not so dominant either. Suspect defence and woeful backline play meant we coasted those games. Brussow was the only real difference, should have been player of the year. He totally humiliated McCaw, who never had ONE good test that year, yet came away with the IRB award!! This nonsense of playing players out of position has never helped the Boks, Smit (1, 3) Adi (12, 11), Olivier (13, 14), Pienaar, (10, 15), Frans (15, 13), Morne (15), Kankowski (6, 7), Rossouw (6), Bekker (4), Butch (12), Jean (14), Monty (13), Potgieter (6), Carstens (1), Kirchner (13), Rose (15). Yes, all have been tried by de Villiers, and all have failed. His mantra of players not being specialists has to come to an end. It's messed Smit around more than anyone else either. I wonder why he wasn't enjoying his rugby, eh Divvy? Being stuffed around the front row, losing weight, bulking up, losing weight again, not knowing whether he is coming or going, and as he said actually concerned about his safety as he is not a real prop! But Divvy goes and persists with this garbage anyway. Adi injured and a liability at 13 in 2009? Solution: Put him even closer to the action at 12! Wanted to speed the game up in the first Lions test? solution: Replace Brussow with the slower Rossouw, out of position. Bok scrum keeping us in the game against Ireland in 09. Unsolution? Sub BJ, move Smit to 3 and bring on Bismarck. The entire game fell apart for us! This nonsense must stop now. It's a World Cup year for goodness sake! Smit at 2, end of story.

By: munkiboi(munkiboi)

munkiboi(munkiboi) — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 03:42:52 +0000

if mujati is not the answer (either unavailable or even overrated) then why not re-run the the experiment of playing smit at 3. we have 2 fantastic looseheads in beast and gurthro and we did completely dominate the tri-nations and win 3 in a row against the ABs with Smit at 3…

thing is the scrum is a lot less important these days. its all about collisions, lineouts and ruck/mauls.

By: bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)

bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz) — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 02:11:03 +0000

There is only one douche-bag that can equal Keo when it comes to self-obsessiveness whilst knowing no more than the punters that come to his site and that is Jason Smith… two peas in a pod…

‘Self-obsessive TV’ is all this is… what an absolute chop!

By: KevinRack(KevinRack)

KevinRack(KevinRack) — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:10:46 +0000

Keo pushing the sin of gambling…

Gambling in sport is **** and its leads down the path of corruption and match fixing and murder. Cricket has suffered and now football is in the grips of mafia controlled games in Europe. The famous 95 RWC was hijacked by a British syndicate with the Suzie scandal.

The house never looses Keo…..

By: TheAgent(TheAgent)

TheAgent(TheAgent) — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:17:14 +0000

@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-69: It must have been encouraging then for you to see hoe the Baby Boks demolished the Scots today

By: Big Hit(Big Hit)

Big Hit(Big Hit) — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:14:07 +0000

@kevin w(kevin w)-72: this year? Toulouse

By: Big Hit(Big Hit)

Big Hit(Big Hit) — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:12:47 +0000

@Biscuit(Biscuit)-53: Smit will become Springbok team manager when he retires, expect 1000s more g10 smit posts for years and years to come

By: Blitzbok(Blitzbok)

Blitzbok(Blitzbok) — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:27:19 +0000

@kevin w(kevin w)-72: I never mentioned win ratios, I mentioned competency in the set pieces, particularly the scrum. They place far more emphasis on it, and coach it better. Even Dan Carter said that the NH hemisphere is slower but more tactical. How this translates to test wins is irrelevant, as it plays no part in what I am talking about.But on the subject, Australia and South Africa do not have great away records, and as we know NZ's 47 penalties per yellow card ratio and the fear factor means they usually come out on top up north. So there, that argument is still suspect anyway.

By: kevin w(kevin w)

kevin w(kevin w) — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:31:23 +0000

Well i would say that the win ratio favours NZ, Aus & Boks over their NH counterparts both home and away. I guess scrums aren’t that important then, because they don’t really result in victories.

Boks had a k@k EOYT – i personally wouldn’t base too much on that. Bring me a NH side that would win the Super 15.

By: Blitzbok(Blitzbok)

Blitzbok(Blitzbok) — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:10:40 +0000

@kevin w(kevin w)-70: Incorrect, every credible mind in the game is in agreement that the North is leading the way here. Scrummaging up North is much better. Our flimsy scrums have been consistently destroyed up North. Only NZ during the last cycle lead the way. The Aussie side of the 90s had a world class scrum and the best lineout in the world, so that again is wrong. Italy can rotate any one of 8 props without weaknesses. The one that faced us in 08 was a 4/5th string front row, and they mangled us. On the 09 EOYT Castrogiovani mangled THREE front rowers in one half. How you can say we have led the way is ridiculous, we have had a pap scrum for 12 years. The SH has not been on par for a very long time. Just look at Aus.

By: kevin w(kevin w)

kevin w(kevin w) — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:51:11 +0000

@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-69: Mate, the NH has managed 1 WC out of 7? Aussies who are **** at scrummaging apparently have triple the amount of world cups than the entire NH???? We have double and you claim Italy are better than us. Our tight 5 has always set the platform for the Boks so i just can’t agree with you. From Stransky, to De Beer, to Morne Steyn , you need a platform to put drop goals over. Your tight 5 create that platform. We wouldn’t be succesful, if they weren’t succesful. It’s common sense.

By: Blitzbok(Blitzbok)

Blitzbok(Blitzbok) — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:17:57 +0000

@kevin w(kevin w)-68: The forward play up North is lightyears ahead of everything in SA! We still have coaching methos from the 60s and 80s... very slow to keep pace, and too arrogant to look farther afield and learn. If you want your front rowers to learn, send them up North. Without a shadow of a doubt the best thing that Mujati ever did. And look, he has turned into a star performer. The only area of weakness that the North has is England's stale back play. But even that is starting to change. South Africa does not have great coaches and an even worse coaching culture, that's why we've struggled since readmission. We've always had the players, but never the brains. How many rubbish coaches, i.e., Straeuli's, McIntoshs, De Villiers, Viljoens et al have you seen coach NZ? It just doesn't happen. Smooth transition after smooth transition, one astute rugby brain hands the reigns over to the next, Whilst we have one good coach pop up ever decade or so. Our Super rugby sides only started to improve on 2007, after foreigners came in to do their work. Look what happened to CJ, BJ, Beast, Jannie, Steenkamp, Maku, Chiliboy, Van Der Merwe were destroyed on the 09 EOYT. In one game against Leicster, three front rowers were mangled one after the other and cried off injured! Do not underestimate the quality up North. Italy has produced more quality props in the last 10 years than we have in the last 40. We are very far behind. Added to that, we are being sucked into this new League mentality, of lighter forwards who like to dance in defensively scrappy, sloppy high scoring games. These are not good things.

By: kevin w(kevin w)

kevin w(kevin w) — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:36:05 +0000

@puff(puff)-64: Look i’m no scrummaging expert … although since moving to the States I could be considered a prop soon.

My point is, Mujati did not seem to be very effective in a key game – the Heineken Cup final – he also is not competing against the best in South Africa; or the best of NZ and Aus who in my opinion are the favourites for the WC.

I think Jannie Dup, has been diosappointing this season and even Smit has taken stick because of it (Crusaders game – Jannie was getting popped but Smit was getting blamed).

Out of your list, I would go with BJ (I’m a biased Sharkie); to me CJ has never let the Boks down and has great experience and can play both sides … so I guess I would go with experience over a player who never set the house on fire in SA and is competing in a different world to prove his worth.

By: rugbygenius(rugbygenius)

rugbygenius(rugbygenius) — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:11:03 +0000

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A SPECIAL MESSAGE FOR RYAN
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Meneer today I have lost my respect for your rugby analysis.

1.) Ricky is the world’s most explosive scrumhalf. Nobody can read the game like him in tight situations. He is a national treasure.

2.) Adi Jacobs is part of the worlds elite centres. He does his job quietly but he is deadly. The only thing that Sonny Bill has that Adi hasn’t got is tall height. Adi has more pace, more line-breaking and even better passing than Sonny Bill.

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EVERYONE ON KEO SUPPORTS RICKY AND ADI – BRING THEM BACK
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By: puff(puff)

puff(puff) — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:00:27 +0000

But sjoe the young 10s in SA are looking great at the mo.
Lambie, Ebershon, Jantjies.
I reckon Lionel Cronje would make a decent fullback.