Comments on: Winging it

By: Slumtown(Slumtown)

Slumtown(Slumtown) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:30:35 +0000

By: Slumtown(Slumtown)

Slumtown(Slumtown) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:29:57 +0000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNuBAeSAza0
77minutes on the clock – South Africa is in the lead Habana lets a try through at 3.40 minutes John Smit (the other useless baggage in the Bok setup) lets the winning try through (after hanging around in the backline) at 4.24 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGBvny83OsI&feature=related
Habana botches the high ball from kickoff 1.43 minutes
Habana does an Earl Rose 3.03 minutes
Habana almost botches a try 4.05 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUXukM4-H8o
0.29 Habana trips over himself and let Beale through. (bit harsh this one but poor decision making again.
1.36 O Connor slips the tackle of Habana.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La3iYZFyzSg
2.58 check how far off the mark Habana has come up at the bottom of the screen. he has to turn and chase all the way back leaving his opposite man completely unmarked
5.18 Aplon tries to clean up Habana´s mistake. All he had to do was mark his man. but at take not that Habana was the one to knock that ball in an attempt for an intercept – he was nowhere near makring his wing and left Aplon to do the dirty work which he botched up.
2 errors one match – almost cost us the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OO2WmYjm9E&feature=related
2.05 – look how far Habana is off the mark and obviously looking for the intercept
5.26 Habana out of position yet again not marking his wing watch him appear bottom screen and so how far back he has to run

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM49oy33Kzw&feature=related
1.16 John Smit struts his stuff in the backline . dork.

Need I say more?

By: mshiniwami(mshiniwami)

mshiniwami(mshiniwami) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:59:32 +0000

@Slumtown(Slumtown)-54: About Sarel Pretorius/if he were a kiwi etc thats not entirely correct at ll bud. Alby Mathewson has for a couple of season been the most explosive NZ scrummy scoring the most tries the last 2 seasons(plays a lot like Pretorius-compact and very fast-good athlete) yet he is still behind in pecking order to Cowan,Weepu,Ellis.Has had a couple of caps here and there but really not a permanent squad member. Same can be said for Sharky Robinson a few yrs ago for Ab's only got 3 AB caps.

By: Slumtown(Slumtown)

Slumtown(Slumtown) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:50:29 +0000

@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-57: Personally I feel we lost or almost lost a lot of games in 2010 directly because of Habana. His form at test level has not always been impeccable. Go look at videos of tries in last years Tri Nations and June tests and eoyt and see how often Habana was the fly in the ointment. if its because of a badly run backline why then do players like Aplon actually succeed? I agree the coachin staff are to blame – firstly for his continual selection – maybe if he had something to fight for he´d stop Twittering and spend some time getting his 5h!t together.
Secondly they should have concentrated heavil heavily in making sure he does not come off his line EVER. To tell him to absolutely stop going for intercepts until his form improves and he needs major work on hand eye co-ordination. the fact he was in programs before for these problems is a good indication that he has a problem with this – perhaps some eyesight or hand eye co-ordination issue that has a physical origin. Just those 4 facts alone would make a massive change in Habana. But no – everyone just keeps saying he´s industrious and looks for work and for is temp class is permanent like a bunch of ostriches with their heads stuck in the sand. I dont care if he works his *** off every game – if he lets one try through due to negligence and going for personal glory its one too much. in a Spartan battalion his own mates would have killed him already because in the context of a team not one man should expose his team mates. He is there to hold the line in defense and he betrays his own every time. UNACCEPTABLE. FULL STOP

By: fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)

fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:07:06 +0000

Habana stealth account spotted

By: Blitzbok(Blitzbok)

Blitzbok(Blitzbok) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:57:50 +0000

@Slumtown(Slumtown)-54: Not bad form, bad coaching and setup. When has habana been in a well run backline since the start of 2008? Only argument can be 2009 S14. The Boks are a complete rabble. Relying on forwards for big scores not wings. And Stormers not as good ball in hand from 2008 to 2010. This year we see more of attacking play and you see Habana doing things others are not. Why are so many people so willfully blind? Its amazing!

By: Blitzbok(Blitzbok)

Blitzbok(Blitzbok) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:49:03 +0000

At test level, you cannot fault Habana. He has still been our best wing. Only exception being the 09 end of year tour when Pietersen saved our bacon in all our games. No wing has done well under Peter coaching. Our wings do not get the ball and do not score. In 08 the Bulls struggled in the S14, and Habana was not supplied posession at test level. In 09 the same thing occured though Habana was very good in that S14. In 2010 the Stormers were very poor ball in hand and the Boks had their worst season in tri nations history. So how anyone can blame habana solely defies the facts. It’s a onesided argument that is flawed in most ways. Replace habana if you want, but no other wing will succeed either. Harsh realities that must be learnt the hard way as they always are in sarugby.

By: fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)

fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:21:45 +0000

I can’t believe that in the year of our lord 2011 people still think Bryan Habana deserves a place in the Springbok team. he’s bad, real bad!

By: Slumtown(Slumtown)

Slumtown(Slumtown) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:57:39 +0000

@race of tan(race of tan)-53: Yes thats the main problem – if you think of him at WC 2007 he is a must have – but in all honesty since then its just been one long run of bad form with one small patch of maybe a season where he started doing better again (just before leaving the Bulls and first few months at the Stormers. Since then its been one long decline and because he is always assured a starting berth there has been no pressure or challenge for him to improve. How many times a match does he drop his head and shake it – he is obviously not pleased with his own perfromance. So how can we be expected to be happy with him and believe he is going to be an asset in the WC team. Does Bassons form not warrant his inlcusion above that of Bryan? I mean really – what kind of message is this sending to all the younger hopeful players? It doesnt matter how good you are because you wont ever be picked anyway? Look at Sarel Pretorius – one of the best and top perormers of this years Super 15 – he has been absolute dynamite – and he doesnt even get a chance to prove himself in the Tri Nations. How can you leave such an explosive little player behind? It boggles my mind. If he were a kiwi he´s be their starting scrumhalf in the WC.

By: race of tan(race of tan)

race of tan(race of tan) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:33:47 +0000

Slumtown – I see your point. That has been a Bok problem for years, creating tries from set pieces etc It was under White were i began to see some/alot of creativity, the Boks scored alot of tries under White. Under PDV the Boks have regressed in creating tries from set pieces etc!!
I guess Habana has been poorly managed/coached. Rokococo went through a similar patch infact he is still not the same explosive player he use to be!
Habana to me seems to be trying to hard, again poor coaching, and he does run out of position alot. One thing in Habs defense is atleast he is always looking for work!! But it seems all a bit erratic from him nowadays.

I guess i am using blind faith and i can still remember his golden era!!

By: Slumtown(Slumtown)

Slumtown(Slumtown) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:19:15 +0000

@race of tan(race of tan)-50: I agree thats what he has always been best at - but personally I think the team should be creating opportunities for themselves instead of only feeding off the other team´s mistakes. Look at the way the Cheetahs are playing. They are creating the space and with good interplay between the backline they are making tries happen. Habanas strength is now a weakness. He is continually going for that elusive intercept try of his in the hope that that will rekindle his form. By coming off his line for the intercept he exposes his wing and tries are scored down that side. Go have a look at Bok games from last years Tri Nations and June tests. How often do you see him racing back to try and catch someone who has outflanked him because he came in off his position to try for the intercept? He is such a liability nowadays that with his defensive mistakes and on the high ball he is a major liability for the Boks. He is the one man in the team that can lose us a match now. In effect his strength is now his biggest weakness. He hasnt tried to develop his game beyond the sneaky intercepts and quite frankly i´m sick of us scoring so much from opportunism. I´d much rather see the Boks creating their own destiny instead of this reliance on feeding on the scraps.

By: logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)

logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:15:00 +0000

@race of tan(race of tan)-50: a rugby players time over 100m means absolutely nothing. a rugby field is only 80m long and besides, they hardly ever run the length of the field. that's why when ppl ask them they never know. what does matter though is their time over 20 - 30m. it's the explosiveness, the power out of a tackle and the speed to hold off defenders. in fact, i'd go as far as to say usain bolt will make a very poor winger as his speed out of the blocks is weak, although he is the fastest man in the world.

By: race of tan(race of tan)

race of tan(race of tan) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:10:43 +0000

Slumtown – It is those one off oppurtunistic tries of his that are the difference between winning and loosing. Habs scored one of those a few games ago, can’t remember which one, and i knew he is one of those few players that score those oppurtunistic type tries.
I wonder what his 100m times are nowadays compared to RWC2007?

By: logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)

logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:03:47 +0000

Habs lost his speed and his anticipation for the sublime. Personally i think the latter happened because of the former. He won’t regain his form……unless he can regain his speed, which, like any aging winger or athlete will tell you is near impossible when you get older.

By: gunther is feeling bullish(gunther)

gunther is feeling bullish(gunther) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:02:17 +0000

@Sasuke(Sasuke)-45: a defensive winger?

By: Slumtown(Slumtown)

Slumtown(Slumtown) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:58:18 +0000

@race of tan(race of tan)-40: Also if what youre saying is true then surely playing with the Boks he should be playing better? He certainly wasnt last year. His defensive lapses cost us big time last year. If he is a great defensive wing how come he stuffed up on defense so often. He cant even do the basics right - like catching up and unders, not knocking on every 2 seconds and hold his own line on defense cos he is always going for the intercept.

By: Slumtown(Slumtown)

Slumtown(Slumtown) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:55:45 +0000

@race of tan(race of tan)-40: ***** bud – he´s had 2 years to come right – i´m sick of this class is forever form blah blah bullshit – are you PDV or Alluster Coetzee by any chance?
I expect Habana to really come good this 3N. – based on what? He hasnt shown any signs of improving over 2 years. Saturday he was awful.

By: Sasuke(Sasuke)

Sasuke(Sasuke) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:54:45 +0000

Bryan Habana has become a defensive winger.

By: logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)

logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:44:04 +0000

i agree. habana has to go. don’t agree with aplon though. JP has shown signs of brilliance in the last 3 games for the sharks. Besides, between JP and Hougaard we have fantastic tacklers…..not so with Aplon.

By: gunther is feeling bullish(gunther)

gunther is feeling bullish(gunther) — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:42:15 +0000

@race of tan(race of tan)-41: oer. well let's hope you are right. on the basis that class is forever should we not put Breyton on standby? Just in case ?