Butch still Boks’ best bet
15 Jun 2011
JON CARDINELLI says Butch James has made a statement since returning to South Africa and one bad tackle hasn’t changed the fact that he remains the Springboks’ strongest flyhalf option.
James has featured in just five games for the Lions since leaving English club Bath, and his impact as a leader and innovator has been profound. He did well in tandem with Elton Jantjies at the crucial 10-12 axis, and when asked to assume the pivot responsibilities, he so nearly orchestrated a great upset over his former Sharks team-mates.
The Lions led the Sharks 30-9 after 60 minutes, but a late rally by the visitors saw the game ending in a dramatic draw. The Sharks scored a converted try through Pat Lambie before James was sin-binned for a dangerous tackle, and seven more points while they enjoyed a numerical advantage.
Another converted try levelled the scores, and so the Lions’ dream of ending a poor season on a winning note was crushed.
Much has been said in the aftermath about James costing the Lions the game. Some have even gone as far to say it’s a mark of things to come if the aggressive No 10 goes to the World Cup.
Those who are quick to judge James’s yellow card as the turning point conveniently forget that the Lions conceded tries either side of his sanction. They also choose to ignore James’s late drop-goal attempt that was charged down by Bismarck du Plessis.
Would James have been so harshly criticised had Du Plessis been a yard slower, and that kick had bisected the posts? Would there be such ridiculous statements about his tackling style costing the Boks’ in big games, or would those self-same pundits be praising him and touting him to win the World Cup in a similar fashion?
Kicking has long been perceived as James’s weakness, even though he’s averaged 83% as a goal-kicker for South Africa. On Saturday, he challenged that perception again by slotting six from six, some from extremely difficult field positions.
James’s attacking skills and bruising defence have been evident during his five-match stint with the Lions, but his kicking and overall game management have been equally impressive. He will be afforded starting opportunities in the coming Tri-Nations, and if he can build on his performances in the Super Rugby tournament, he will force Peter de Villiers to reconsider the decision to stick with Morne Steyn.
Both Steyn and James will go to the World Cup, with utility players like Ruan Pienaar and young Lambie providing further flyhalf options. The Boks will need a flyhalf who can play according to the situation, in other words, somebody who is equally capable of kicking for territory or bringing the backline into the game.
Steyn’s limitations were laid to bare in the Boks’ 2010 Tri-Nations campaign, and the Bulls have struggled on attack in 2011. Steyn kicked the cover off the ball in the Bulls’ most recent game against the Stormers as part of a specific game plan. These tactics won’t work against an All Blacks or Wallabies back three who have the tactical kicking ability as well as the counter-attacking means to hurt the Boks.
Selecting a first-choice flyhalf comes down to who offers the team more options in the big matches. The Boks will have a relatively easy ride through to the World Cup quarter-finals, and you’d back them to overcome Ireland in that fixture. Who then is the best No 10 to lead the charge when the Boks take on the All Blacks in the semis?
The argument that James was a poor kicker was flawed to begin with, and his recent performances for the Lions have put that myth to rest. Outside of his kicking, he will offer a sound defensive option and unleash a Bok backline that has been shackled for too long.
And for those who are worried about his tackling, just remember what an important role he played as a defender at the 2007 World Cup. James will be one of the Boks’ greatest assets at the tournament in New Zealand rather a perceived liability.
352 Comments
15 Jun 2011, 05:42 am
Will the DRAGON’S knees hold up long enough? If so he is an obvious choice.
15 Jun 2011, 06:21 am
Just compare the Lions first game against the Sharks to the second one. Butch was easily MOM before the yellow and to be honest I don’t how Lambie got that award, because his magic only started against the 14 and when the Lions was back to 15 the momentum was with the Sharks.
15 Jun 2011, 06:27 am
I’ve never been a massive Butch fan but if he is playing well his experience will help. My concern is we need a good blend of youth if we sticking with the 2007 RWC old ballies. Experienced centres paired with young gun wings is the way to go in my opinion. Drop Habana for Basson
15 Jun 2011, 06:34 am
Butchie for the world cup. Lambie post the world cup.
15 Jun 2011, 06:36 am
Butch is a must for the WC, he brings a ruggered edge to the no 10 and also has some deft little touches. Still a bit of a headhunter tho……
15 Jun 2011, 06:42 am
I wasn’t a big fan initially but I must say he’s stood up to be counted, HOWEVER…he can’t have it all to himself. Him and Lambie need to be rotated throughout the tri nations and we can get a better idea of where Lambie’s at because personally I think Lambie offers more and has had to play next to possibly the worst midfield in the comp. Relying on Mr Metal knees is foolish.
15 Jun 2011, 06:53 am
Another JC article punting for players to replace incumbent Bulls Boks?
15 Jun 2011, 06:57 am
If I was a selector I’d take Morne and Butch to the RWC and play Morne in the big pressure games, and Butch against the opposition likely to try and knock players out cold…and we have at least 2 pool games against such opposition. We need to pick a team capable of beating those guys but dispensable in a way, as we are likely to see some head hunting during those games. Mark my words.
15 Jun 2011, 07:04 am
James is and gas to be the bok No.10!, for too long we’ve put up with this nonsense up and under from captain one dimensional stein, sure if we need to butch can kick and he will have the assistance if fourie du preez so I really think he is our best bet for flyhalf, but attacks the gain line well and ain’t scared of anyone, combining hi with fourie Jean and Jacques shows a backline of 2007 and we know that they will defend like trojans, add francious at 15 and 2 youthful wingers like aplon and mvovo who also attack and defend as well as any NZ or AUS back 3 and every team in the WC will fear us, back players on form and we’ll keep the trophy! Butch will make sa proud and he’ll dismantle somebody while he’s at it, can’t wait to watch it
15 Jun 2011, 07:06 am
@seabiscuit(seabiscuit)-9:
Gas?! Like in farting along?
15 Jun 2011, 07:21 am
Well he certainly showed last Saturday that the no 10 chanel is well guarded and he isnt worried about puttin in the big hits – like his attitude
15 Jun 2011, 07:44 am
Butch was very good against the Sharks. But come world cup time I want a flyhalf who kicks at 100%. Morne.
15 Jun 2011, 07:47 am
5 games without an injury…must be a record for butcher…
15 Jun 2011, 07:58 am
Butch was a mediocre flyhalf when at the top of his game, and he’s nowhere near that now in his dotage.
15 Jun 2011, 08:00 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-14:
You mean when he won a world cup winners medal? My colored friend, he was the best flyhalf in 2007.
15 Jun 2011, 08:03 am
Interesting…
Ricky Januarie’s move to France could potentially pave the way for Francois Hougaard to play for the Stormers next season. – Sport24
15 Jun 2011, 08:04 am
There are quite a few Doubting Doris’s that feel the veterans should all leave en masse…..and I will say it yet again…it’s the veterans that will see the Boks through to retaining the RWC.
15 Jun 2011, 08:05 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-12:
Another veteran that most bloggers are vilifying…yet he can win games on his own.
15 Jun 2011, 08:11 am
@ufo(ufo)-16:
Is he going over to play at prop or hooker?
15 Jun 2011, 08:13 am
Butch by far the best 10 for Boks imo.
M Steyn brings a 1 dimension game that will kill our chances
15 Jun 2011, 08:19 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-18: Can also lose them…
He is still my no.1 flyhalf for the WC with steyn coming on at the death, around 60 or 70 min, to make those all-important kicks if that becomes necessary. I love his attitude and, despite the penalties, the fact that on defense he can honestly make any opposition player his b**ch on any given day.
15 Jun 2011, 08:20 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-12: Butch won the kicking duel this last weekend. Steyn missed some sitters against the Stormers. When it comes to kicking one needs to look at the facts. Simple.
15 Jun 2011, 08:21 am
No problems with Butch @ 10
We are blessed with so much talent in almost every position. It’s all going to come down to combinations and form, come WC time. Use the Tri-Nations to try some new combo’s and increase our depth:
LH: Gurthro, Beast, Coenie, and Dean Greyling
HKR: Bismarck, Strauss, Smit, Ralepelle
TH: Jannie, Eugene van Staden, Werner Kruger, WP Nel
Locks: Bakkies, Elstadt, Vic, Bekker
Flanks: Brussow, Burger, Juan, Johnson, Strauss, Louw, Potgieter
8th: Vermeulen, Spies, Whiteley
SH: F du P, Pienaar, Hougaard
FH: Butch, Lambie, Steyn
Centre: JdV, Fourie, Strauss, Olivier, Hollenbach, JdJ
Wings: Basson, Habana, JPP, Mvovo, Mjekevu, Aplon
FB: Viljoen, Steyn, Taute
15 Jun 2011, 08:23 am
My first choice would be Morne Steyn – he has the coolest temprament in big matches and his kicking is superb. He´s imprved a lot on attack and defense lately.
Second up Butch for experience and mongrel and also a decent kicking optiion.
Lambie should go as fullback backup to Frans Steyn so should not be excluded by any means. This young guy can handle the pressure as well and always makes a difference every match. If Ruaan Pienaar somehow makes it into the squad as well we will have 4 options for flyhalf with Butch able to cover 12, Lambie able to cover 12 and 15 and Ruaan able to cover 9 and 15. Its almost the entire backline covered by 4 players – add in Houghaard who can cover 9/ 11/ 13/ 14 and the entire backline is covered by 5 players leaving the other 9 backline choices to be more specialist.
Lots of options – if you inlcude these they also cover more than one position – Aplon 11/14/15, Juan de Jongh 12/13, Frans Steyn 12/15.
15 Jun 2011, 08:29 am
@Cheetah 4 Eva(Cheetah 4 Eva)-23:
2 – Smit and Chilli no but Schalk Brits and Deon Fourie yes
3 Also Brian Mujati and possibly BJ Botha
4 and 5 you are totally leaving out one of the best in Danie Rossouw and Anton van Zyl too
8 I´d put Josh Strauss there
9 Sarel Pretorius? and you call yourself CHeetah4 ever?
10 possibly Sias Ebersohn too
13 Ebersohn?
14 Johann Sadie
Otherwise I agree
15 Jun 2011, 08:35 am
@XV(XV)-22:
Does Steyn usually miss any? No. He kicked a record 45+ consecutive kicks on the international stage last year. (A record)
15 Jun 2011, 08:40 am
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-25:
I have never rated Brits. To me Strauss is the best option. Accurate at the lineouts, and a very busy unit in the loose. Bismarck a physical presence, but sloopy in the lineouts .
Mujati, is been talked about, but he hasn’t been tested against the best of the SH
Agree, Danie would slot in as utility forward. Lock, and flank
Agree, Josh at 7 or 8
Sarel is a brilliant attacking player, but I dunno if he will fit in with the Boks pattern.
Both Ebersohn’s have stepped up to the plate, and are the future, no need to rush them in and possibly destroy their careers
Ditto Sadie.
15 Jun 2011, 08:49 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-26: And we lost a very good portion of those games…
Kicking is important but so is actually playing and going forward. He’s just not in the same class as Butch or even Lambie in that regard. If Butch is kicking reasonably well, let him start and Steyn on the bench in case kicking becomes the end all of the game.
15 Jun 2011, 08:55 am
How much does Butch pay this website for promoting him? I don’t even think Butch’s mother thinks he is as good as you guys claim him to be.
Solid player? Sure. Experience? Sure. Saviour of Springbok rugby and plante earth? Maybe not.
15 Jun 2011, 08:59 am
I like Butch, if his knees holds up, he must be on that plane to NZ
15 Jun 2011, 09:02 am
have the boks ever beaten the kiwis with butch at flyhalf?
neither have we ever beaten the ozzies away with butch at 10.
steyn has done both.
oh…and he holds ever superrugby record on offer for a 10.
one dimentional?
well, not as much as jon suurbek cardenellis journolism.
15 Jun 2011, 09:03 am
JC I tend to agree with you, especially considering that JDV and JF are earmarked as the midfielders.
The latter part of my statement is key here – combinations.
The fact that Butch attacks from closer to the gain line and can distribute and run straight in limited space will necessarily allow JDV to be more effective as he has less space to make up – because the opposition rush has less chance to catch him behind the advantage line.
The M.Steyn / JDV axis is the primary reason why we can’t score tries. And I disagree with bloggers who believe this is due to M.Steyn – give me a JDJ next to him and you will see an immediate difference.
15 Jun 2011, 09:07 am
@willievz(willievz)-32:
only center in sa that passes is meyer bosman.
never seen the hype withregards to jean de villiers.
15 Jun 2011, 09:12 am
Butch looks the part
Lambie’s hair is too pouffey namby pamby kiss-me-curls cherub anglelic. Needs to be roughed up a bit.
Lambie looks like he belongs in a stained glass window holding a harp.
Cut ‘n paste that
15 Jun 2011, 09:18 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-33:
I appreciate the fact that there are different types of inside centers who can fulfil a specific role on attack.
And to be honest, I don’t prefer a particular type on attack, as long as you select the right flyhalf to complement his game.
On defense – well, the 12 is often the first supporting player to arrive at the ruck (particularly on a rush) and often makes the first tackle on the ABs in a drift as their 13 takes the ball into collision on first phase.
Bosman is a player I have always rated, lots of versatility, but they do not utilise him efficiently at the Sharks. For a passing centre to come to the party you need a flyhalf that stands neither to deep nor to flat (which he has) but he is often asked to collide with defenses on first phase and then offload a-la SBW instead of looking for a pass on his inside and outside before colliding, which he does very well.
I would also have liked the Sharks to split their attacking lines more often with Lambie on one side of the ruck and Bosman on the other.
15 Jun 2011, 09:34 am
Not a bad call. He is no weaker than any of the other flyhalves we`ve got and he is the sort of guy that can rattle the opposition with his tough approach. Steyn kicks too much.
15 Jun 2011, 09:34 am
Butch has to start, with Morne on the bench for close games where we might need to tighten things up, play a percentage/territorial game and keep the three-pointers ticking over. But someone in the Bok set-up has to make it clear to him that any disciplinary indiscretions will mean it’s the end of his World Cup – we simply can’t afford to be restricted to 14-man play in any World Cup match. Perhaps this is where John Smit, famed for his ability as a leader and influencer in any team he plays in, will come to the fore and have a word…
15 Jun 2011, 09:35 am
@strepies(strepies)-36:
Carter kicks more than Steyn.
The difference is that Carter plays percentage rugby, while Steyn engages in the kick-chase.
It is all about playing the situation.
15 Jun 2011, 09:39 am
Butch has gone from Kak to improved… but in the land of Mediocrity this is excellent. The twat is three leagues below Elton Jantjies and the idiots can’t see it. Elton should take him aside and assist him with his tackling technique.. Elton might as well help on the coaching side of things if they are not going to take him to the world cup. We might as well get all the black stars on the coaching panels to assist with their less abled white counterparts who will be going to the world cup
15 Jun 2011, 09:39 am
Got to go.. but suck on that for a while
15 Jun 2011, 10:06 am
Butch should be in the squad and rotated on a horses for courses policy, have him in for games against the big boys from Figi and Samoa. Morne and Butch for RWC.
15 Jun 2011, 10:29 am
@Ace11(Ace11)-28:
We didn’t lose those games because of Morne Steyn.
Why then did we dominate so easily in 2009 with him there? Think about it. 2010 side was missing the majority of the Tri-nations 2009 side.
Boks were missing 8-10 starting players from 2009 Tri-Nations in 2010. I’ll name them if you want.
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-31:
“have the boks ever beaten the kiwis with butch at flyhalf?”
Yes….
15 Jun 2011, 10:34 am
BullDog15 – I agree. Right now Morne Steyn and Btuch James should be the RWC 10s. The Boks will also have Ruan Pienaar as another option, remember at RWC2007 RP was a super sub.
Lambie will be Bok 10 post RWC behind Morne Steyn still the No1 10!!
15 Jun 2011, 10:49 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-42: using the missing players excuse? Im sure you and Big Hit must have fun between the sheets planning your defensive strategies… I wonder which one of you is baaas though?
shame, in 2009 NZ wree missing many key players too, but you cant seem to grasp that simple fact..
heres another fact for you
In 2007, the ABs beat the WC winning bok side in SA during the 3Ns…
15 Jun 2011, 10:57 am
@foreverrugga(foreverrugga)-41:
The wrong way round. Morne Steyn would be a better bet against the PI nations because in that case we want a tight, controlled, forward dominated game where we take all points on offer. So kick and chase will probably be the call. Morne won’t shrug the tackles and is _not_ a hothead so less likely to do something stupid when the hard/high hits come in.
Butch is more tactically astute so important for the more difficult games where we will benefit from all the options he brings.
15 Jun 2011, 10:58 am
Brigadier Van Zyl – Interesting point. We have never beaten the ABs with Butch at 10. However 3N 2007 we were beating the ABs comfortabley with Butch at 10 and then he had to leave the field and F Steyn slotted in at 10 and we lost in the last 10 minutes, if Btuch had stayed i am sure we would have beaten the ABs well!!
I still think Butch & Steyn are the Bok flyhalves for the RWC. M Steyn has alot of experiencebehind him now!!! After years of terrible kicking flyhalves it is a comfort having a great kicking flyhalf like M Steyn!
15 Jun 2011, 11:00 am
poppa69 – We were beating the ABs comfortably with 10 minutes to go and then Btuch had to leave the field with F Steyn slotting in at flyhalf and everything went pear shaped!!!
15 Jun 2011, 11:01 am
Butch played 10 in Dunedin 2008. And was central to that victory from a tactical perspective.
@poppa69(poppa69)-44: Here’s another fact for you – you did not win the WC in 2007.
15 Jun 2011, 11:04 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-15: He was mediocre then, and he’s sub-mediocre now.
15 Jun 2011, 11:06 am
@Number15(Number15)-45: I think if faced with big boys from those teams they might focus on our inside channel and steam roll Steyn. I’ve seen him being run over before. Would rather have him against Wales and Nam.
15 Jun 2011, 11:08 am
@willievz(willievz)-48: heres another fact for you, we won the WC in 87… so your assumption that the ABs have never won one is way off the mark.. and I know, SA werent there… do you know why SA wrent there?
heres another fact for you Willie
your old guard peaked in 2009, and they are slowly but surely falling off the pace… Im so glad you guys are relying on them though… makes my7 heart warm to think your old guard wont get past Ireland in the 1/4s…
15 Jun 2011, 11:18 am
01. Beast
02. Bissie
03. Jannie
04. Rossouw
05. Bekker
06. Brussouw
07. Smith (c)
08. Big Joe
09. Du Preez (just ahead of Pretorius)
10. Butch
11. Basson
12. De Jongh
13. Fourie
14. JPP
15. F. Steyn
16. Mujati
17. Smit
18. Matfield
19. Burger
20. Alberts
21. Pienaar
22. De Villiers
And the WC is coming back home.
15 Jun 2011, 11:29 am
When asked about Butch, Jake White described him as the best defensive FH in the world. That was shortly after he said defense wins world cups. And shortly before he won the world cup.
Tactically Butch was a nightmare for opposition as part of the bok rush defence. The centres coming up quickly would force their flyhalf to risk an outside pass or face Butch (and Schalk). That pressurises
15 Jun 2011, 11:33 am
(to finish
… that pressurises their 9, 10, 12, leading to turnovers, fumbles, intercepts et al.
Key part of the JW doctrine of winning through defence.
For those that watched Butch at Bath there is little doubt that he’s a legit choice for bok FH in 2011.
15 Jun 2011, 11:36 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-51:
Why does that make your heart warm? If you won’t like SA then why are you here posting on a site filled with SA supporters?
15 Jun 2011, 11:39 am
@foreverrugga(foreverrugga)-50:
Too shallow a view. That won’t be a big problem if we are getting front foot ball, which we should be. SA will only have a problem if they disrespect the old mantra of earning the right to go wide and try to play too loose a game early. Steyn is the man to keep it controlled and tight while forwards grind them down. Bring Butch on later for some game time and hard contact, but save him for when we need him.
15 Jun 2011, 11:40 am
@Number15(Number15)-55: someones got to keep you arrogant b@stards on your toes..
15 Jun 2011, 11:45 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-44:
McCaw and Carter are your only real main stays. All the rest are replaceable bone headed meat.
So that means in 09, you were only missing Carter for the two games. He came back in the 3rd and made no difference.
@race of tan(race of tan)-47:
100%. 20 year old F Steyn came on and gave the game away. Boks dominated for 70 minutes and were heading for an easy win.
Face facts Poppa, Abs of 07 are a disgrace. Dan Carter crying… a grown man… crying over losing is just embarrassing.
SA world cups: 2
NZ World Cups: 0
15 Jun 2011, 11:47 am
What utter garbage. I suppose the systems in place under Dorkvilliers has no meaning? Never have our backline fired under the Dork. Blaming indovidual players is stupid. Just like blaming habana when no other wing has ever been successful under the Dork. Face facts butch will make no difference .we’ll get kicked out all the same because we have no system in place that could win the world cup again. thats why we’ve been playing like chumps for four years. get real.
15 Jun 2011, 11:47 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-58: speaking of bone headed meat, Hi kobus… the fact they had to play a lock in his first test is just one example, but Id never expect you to approach the situation fairly…
its in your upbringing to appear superior, when in fact your the complete opposite…
15 Jun 2011, 11:48 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-57:
Oh right, you get a rise from insulting people and seeing them react, I forgot. Do you do it in real life too or just behind the keyboard?
You do have a point about arrogance, I sometimes cringe when after one good game, or a S100 trophy the ‘fans’ come out. However, on the plus side, we never painted a plane green in preparation for a RWC win.
15 Jun 2011, 11:49 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-58: a new zealander that has grasp of the facts? bwahaahahahahaa!!!
15 Jun 2011, 11:50 am
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-62: How about that warm up against Canada in 07? They were losing at HT!! hehehe
15 Jun 2011, 11:50 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-58: KKK, the ABs have one world cup..
your father and his father and their superior views on human inequality and the resulting filth that brought meant the rest of the world RIGHTLY banned you racist mofos from competing, not our fault..
if you guys had half a shred of human decency you would have been invited in 87, but I just have to read your posts and IO realise SA hasnt moved on AT ALL from those very dark days..
WC’s
SA 2
NZ 1
3Ns
NZ 10
SA 2 or 3…
lets hiope you guys dont get to face Scotland at this years WC, we know how you guys travel against them too…
15 Jun 2011, 11:53 am
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-62: I think Ive grasped 1987 spot on the money… dont you?
15 Jun 2011, 11:54 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-64:
“I just have to read your posts and IO realise SA hasnt moved on AT ALL from those very dark days”
I guess SAns should aspire to be like you, where you can pass judgement on 40 million people based on a few comments in a blog. Inspiring stuff.
15 Jun 2011, 11:55 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-64: The molly-cuddled losers from Mudd Island. Land of the sheep molesters! NZ 47 penalties to a yellow card. South africa 5 to a yellow. Nz get the laws changed to suit their needs twice! (ie engineer a WC win! bwahahaha), have refs apologize for penalizing the cheating scums foul play (excusinf FIVE spear tackles in recent years!). Yes 10 TNs, and how much money to ensure they got it? Nz are the IRBs bum-boys. Accept the facts!
15 Jun 2011, 11:55 am
@Number15(Number15)-66: mate, Ive had my culture denigrated here often by plenty of people, so cry all you like…
15 Jun 2011, 11:57 am
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-67: SA 5 penalties to a yellow?
thats because you are bully boy neanderthals who dont have a brain … as the import of so many foreign coaches can attest too..
lets face it, the 07 WC should have Eddie Jones name engraved on it, not SA’s…
15 Jun 2011, 11:57 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-68:
Then they’re fools, and you join them. I don’t think I’m the one crying.
15 Jun 2011, 11:57 am
My picks for the weekend
Highlanders
Force
Chiefs
Canes
Brumbies
Bulls
Stormers
15 Jun 2011, 12:00 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-69: Not so. 47 to a yellow for NZ tells me that they get away with murder. And it’s true, the secret to their success. SA get the flak but NZ are untouchable. how else could McCaw win the IRB POTY award after not having ONE adequate test that year? bwahahahahah!!! cheats, scum. Cowards.
15 Jun 2011, 12:02 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-72: yeah I know, we should stop the SA refs from reffing our games, but then I guess theyre all on the take anyway, like Hansie, surely there cant be one honest person left in SA…?
15 Jun 2011, 12:03 pm
@coma(coma)-52: You have your 12 out of position at 15 and your luggage boy at 12. Need to rethink that, as well as P!ssmark at 2. Those weaknesses are too severe to retain the WC.
15 Jun 2011, 12:03 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-69: Haters gonna hate.
15 Jun 2011, 12:04 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-73: Definitely not in nZ either! sober up you chump. Why are you even here if SA is so krap and NZ so good? get lost chump!
15 Jun 2011, 12:08 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-76: where have I said NZ is so good?
bwahahaha maybe thats just your own little insecurities chump…
15 Jun 2011, 12:10 pm
poppa69 – I apoligze for all this recists beloney. Come guys let keep this to rugga, the best sport in the universe.
The problem with the ABs is there is far too much pressure placed on them to win the RWC, again this year the ABs are clear favourites to win it again!!
I think Henry’s idea of playing his best each game is a good idea as it will focus all the players to play well so as to keep their place in the run on side and will get their focus off winning the RWC!!
As for the Boks. We don’t have a good coach or any outisde help this time to help us retain the cup. Boks will reach the semis no doubt, Ireland always barf at RWCs and then get kicked out.
We the Boks will be far too one dimensional come RWC time!!
15 Jun 2011, 12:13 pm
@race of tan(race of tan)-78: no need to apologise at all mate…
15 Jun 2011, 12:14 pm
@race of tan(race of tan)-78: racist? can i not defend my country? This ******* comes here mouthing off about us, but you call ME the racist. Take poppas d!ck out your mouth, then cone talk to me you *****.
15 Jun 2011, 12:15 pm
Butch James and Ruan Pienaar have both been playing well in European conditions. Experience that could come in in handy during the world cup. Knock out rugby on a wet and windy September evening in Auckland or Wellington will not be very pretty but Butch and Ruan will be good options – if not starting then on the bench to help close tight games out.
15 Jun 2011, 12:17 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-80
bwahahahahah
bwahahahahaha
bwahahahahaha
lmfao… look at your comments about my country, then go away and think about it for quite a while, it obviously gets lost on you.. eish!
15 Jun 2011, 12:17 pm
@The_Don(The_Don)-81: only problem is that the Dork wil play Ruan at hooker, Butch at 8 and Smit driving the team bus. What a chop.
15 Jun 2011, 12:19 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-83: lol
15 Jun 2011, 12:20 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-82: no, im sick and tired of your NZ azzholes come on SA sites acting holier than thou. Im sick of your nations arrogance and the way you guys always start **** here. I have read many of your comments about South Africa and it’e people. You are nothing but but trash, at least have the balls to admit the facts openly.
15 Jun 2011, 12:22 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-76: I’ve fallen for responding to Poppa on a number of occassions. It’s a waste of time in the end. He is just a Kiwi imitating a Whinging Pommie needing a case of immodium.
15 Jun 2011, 12:26 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-85: and I have read many more times the utter **** about NZ on this very site, even if it is a SA site theres no need for it..
I notice you tolerate all thats said about NZ dont you? one only has to look at your reference to sheep and so forth… what, now you cant handle it when I stand up to you? bwahahahahahahaah
face it, if people on this very site were to show some respect to the international visitors, they might get that respect returned.. novel thought I know..
15 Jun 2011, 12:28 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-87: Respect is earned and you have never earned it. And no, you aren’t representative.
Over and out.
15 Jun 2011, 12:28 pm
poppa’s just “returning serve”
15 Jun 2011, 12:28 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-87: back to your gutter little rat! Get lost. Your not wanted or needed here. Leopards with leopards, rats with rats. Mudd Island you go.
15 Jun 2011, 12:29 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-88: what would you know about respect Michael?
run along now…
15 Jun 2011, 12:31 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-90: dont mention rats, they eat babies in townships over there dont they?
that that should happen in this modern age says more than I EVER could..
15 Jun 2011, 12:32 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-92: You heard it here folks, taking a swipe at impoverish blacks. how low can you get.
15 Jun 2011, 12:36 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-93: Ignore him. I used to think Skop was the one mad in the head. This one is looney tunes.
15 Jun 2011, 12:37 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-93: you really dont have a brain do you? trying to turn it all racial..
Im actually having a swipe at the affluent people that allow this type of thing to happen, like yourself.. how you can allow people to live in townships for a start is absolutely appallling, considering the natural assets your country has…
I can see your clutching now, the act of a desperate man…
15 Jun 2011, 12:37 pm
“Butch still Boks best bet”—- REALLY!!!?
Because the Lions are the favourite 2nd team of the Breezer bubble and Butch is the permissible latest faddy favourite, and because the Stormers have no flyhalf of note does not mean the Bulls, Sharks or even Free State dont.
Morne Steyn?
Lambie?
Jantjies? (Needs to sort his naughtiness)?
HELLLOOO – OOO!!!? Anybody awake in Stormer land…
You dumfks!
15 Jun 2011, 12:51 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-80:
Nowhere did Race of Tan call YOU racist.
He was trying to get this thread back on track.
15 Jun 2011, 12:54 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-85:
” im sick and tired of your (sic) NZ azzholes come on SA sites acting holier than thou. Im sick of your nations arrogance and the way you guys always start **** here…………………..”
Then F*** Off, cause we certainly aren’t going to.
8)
15 Jun 2011, 12:55 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-95:
I take it you’ve done your time of charity work in Africa then if you’re throwing those sort of comments around?
15 Jun 2011, 12:58 pm
@Number15(Number15)-99: not in Africa no, Im not affluent enough to be able to afford that… but I do my share where I can..
15 Jun 2011, 13:00 pm
@Number15(Number15)-99:
Charity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…………………………………………….We sent you lot ………….John Mitchel, Carlos, Plum and Kevin Putt.
What more can we give.
15 Jun 2011, 13:01 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-96: hiyas HG bro
15 Jun 2011, 13:02 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-100:
And good for you Popps.
I desperately need money for Alcohol Research.
Can you help?
15 Jun 2011, 13:04 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-64:
Yes, and you can have this years Tri-Nations too. Means very little when compared to the holy grail. Seems like GH hasn’t learnt at all from 2007, promising to put in his strongest side again. Tsk, tsk.
Poppa, do me a favour. When the Abs get eliminated again, take it easy on your tongan boyfriend. If you must strike him, use an open hand.
15 Jun 2011, 13:07 pm
@cane(cane)-101: We don’t want your women anyway…
15 Jun 2011, 13:10 pm
@The_Don(The_Don)-105:
Ooooooh, Donny.
You are a nasty piece of work.
Never mind we got thousands upon thousands of yours over here. It’s a wonder you Okes got any left.
15 Jun 2011, 13:12 pm
@cane(cane)-103:
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-104: ahhh KKK, cant hide your inherent racism can you? just cant help yourself…
did you use an open palm on all those you oppress, which Im certain you still do today in the form of poor wages for your farmboys…
or are they the afrikaans type of farmboys that seem to have pillow creases in their foreheads..
much like your forehead?
15 Jun 2011, 13:14 pm
@cane(cane)-101:
Ha, and in return you only got Mehrtens, I see the problem.
15 Jun 2011, 13:15 pm
@cane(cane)-106:
New Zealand for New Zealanders.
15 Jun 2011, 13:16 pm
@The_Don(The_Don)-105:
That’s not terribly fair, I was in NZ earlier this year and I did see at least 3 good looking girls. Ok, one was my girlfriend travelling with me, but still.
15 Jun 2011, 13:20 pm
@Number15(Number15)-108:
No……………………………………………….. we also got Irene.
NZ Sportsperson of The Year in 2008.
And a total babe, ………..(on the mature side).
15 Jun 2011, 13:20 pm
@Number15(Number15)-110: …the other 2 must have been Ozzies who were lost…
15 Jun 2011, 13:21 pm
@cane(cane)-106:
Good comeback!
15 Jun 2011, 13:23 pm
@Number15(Number15)-108: We also gave them Greg Rowlison (spelling), and loaned them the likes of Joggie Viljoen, Balie Swart.
15 Jun 2011, 13:23 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-51: won’t get past the 1/4′s, then we can say the team who wins the WC only won because they didn’t play against SA, something thats very common on this site.
15 Jun 2011, 13:25 pm
@Kea-Cat(KEA)-115: you guys say that about 87 nowadays, when we had no control over your absence (you guys did though, do you remember why?), so it will be no different aye?
15 Jun 2011, 13:26 pm
@gunther is feeling bullish(gunther)-109: lol.
I doubt he’ll get it.
15 Jun 2011, 13:29 pm
@Kea-Cat(KEA)-115:
Very observant of you Kea.
Getting your excuses worked out ahead of time.
Very wise.
15 Jun 2011, 13:31 pm
settle down boys…something interesting to read.
DHL WP (Vodacom Cup) 2011- greater training squad
Marcel Brache
Lionel Cronje
JJ Engelbrecht
Danie Poolman
Tythan Adams
Clearance Kumalo
Sizwe Maseko
Bom Samaai
Berton Klaassens
Michael van der Spuy
Johan Sadie
Paul Bosch
Kurt Coleman
Sam Lane
Louis Schreuder
Ricky Schroder
Freddie Muller
Nick Groom
Siya Kolisi
Yaya Hartzenberg
Ruben Johannes
Helmut Lehman
Rohan Kitshoff
Wimpie van der Walt
Hilton Lobberts
Quin Roux
Reniel Hugo
Eben Etsebeth
Stefan Greeff
Tom Botha
Frans Malherbe
Stephen Kitshoof
JD Moller
Ally Vermaak
Scarra Ntubeni
Sydney Tobias
Albie de Swardt
15 Jun 2011, 13:32 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-116: As I said it’ is very common on this site, or do you think I was refering to a different WC perhaps?
15 Jun 2011, 13:36 pm
@Kea-Cat(KEA)-120: nope, I knew you were talking about 87…
07 the main story is you guys played no one ranked higher than fith in the world, I do so hope that happens for the ABs this time, I know how hard it can be to overcome those odds..
I mean, facing only one team the entire tournament that has ever beaten you before does give a true indication for the next 4 years that your team was simply the best huh?
15 Jun 2011, 13:37 pm
@Kea-Cat(KEA)-120: You’re choking aren’t you?
15 Jun 2011, 13:37 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-114:
Indirectly you also gave us George Grey in the 1860′s,
and Precious Mckenzie in the 1970′s.
Also this weeks special @ The Mad Butcher’s……………………Boerworst.
15 Jun 2011, 13:40 pm
@cane(cane)-123: lol @ Boerworst
Other guys were before my time.
15 Jun 2011, 13:41 pm
I am just glad the pressure is slightly less for the Bokke than it is for the All Blacks. Whether we play Butch, Steyn or Lambie, depending on the match and possible injuries that is still more reliable back up than most other teams can boast except Australia, with Cooper, Giteau, and O’Connor. The Crusaders have proven they do not need McCaw or Carter to win, but I don’t know if one can compare that to the psyche of the All Blacks who over the past few seasons have shown an over dependence on those two players. Having said that, and as a proud bok, as per usual AB’s seem the strongest. But then we also know what has happened when the pressure is on.
15 Jun 2011, 13:43 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-121: Forget about the absence of the Boks in ’87. Tell us about all the difficult opposition you had to face to win that cup. You think it was tougher than Boks ’07?
15 Jun 2011, 13:45 pm
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-102: Howzit SL. I see these fools are now preaching from the same pulpit as you and Mshini…
Got to go.
15 Jun 2011, 13:46 pm
@Beertjie(Beertjie)-126: yes I do… why our quarter final opponents beat the Bok on last years EOYT didnt they?
we even beat France in the final, a team that has subsequently knocked us out twice, and they should have knocked you guys out in 95, remember?
so yeah, Id say facing Scotland, Wales and France to win the WC is a lot harder than facing Fiji, Argentina and then England…
15 Jun 2011, 13:47 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-124:
I think George Grey was Governor of Cape Colony ( Or some such thing). Grey College is named after him.
He was later Governor of NZ (twice). And among the 10 most influential people in Our (NZ) history.
Also Governor of South Australia before coming to NZ.
15 Jun 2011, 13:48 pm
@cane(cane)-106:
So that is why the NZ women on TV are looking more attractive these days. Thanks, I was baffled
15 Jun 2011, 13:52 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-128: So how many teams did you face in ’87 that have beaten you before then?
15 Jun 2011, 13:53 pm
@Hospital Pass(Hospital Pass)-125: I think Pienaar could have a big role to play too(especially if Fourie’s body gives up again). Ruan played some very good games at 9 in the wet for Ulster up in Ravenhill – which has to be Europe’s coldest, wettest and windiest grounds. Celtic League and Heineken Cup isn’tSuper 15 or test regby but bad weather is a great leveller and he did well in those conditions
15 Jun 2011, 13:54 pm
@Beertjie(Beertjie)-131: Wales and France, that makes two by my count..
and Im sure two is greater than one, though do correct me if Im wrong…
15 Jun 2011, 13:55 pm
@The_Don(The_Don)-132: I mean Fourie DuP of course
15 Jun 2011, 13:55 pm
@Hospital Pass(Hospital Pass)-125:
Hos, if you think the pressure is not going to on the Boks……………………………………you are delusional.
The Press will hang onto PdV’s every word.
Waiting like a pack of hyena’s for the right moment…………………………
And Krusty will deliver ………………………………………………….
And They know it.
15 Jun 2011, 13:57 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-127: huh?? lol in what way??
15 Jun 2011, 13:59 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-133: Never knew you lost to Wales. OK then: well done, you may be rightly proud of your ’87 performance.
15 Jun 2011, 14:02 pm
@Beertjie(Beertjie)-137: oh dont worry I am….
15 Jun 2011, 14:03 pm
@Cane
I never said there would be no pressure on the Boks, and as much as I would like to deny it we have to make peace with the fact that Pdivvy might let a few quotes get out. Obviously most of the pressure will be on the AB’s, and to ignore that would be silly.
15 Jun 2011, 14:09 pm
@Beertjie(Beertjie)-137:
NZ never gained a superior Win/Loss ratio over Wales, until the 1970′s.
In those days they were the great Enemy. By 87 however they had lost some of their awe.
15 Jun 2011, 14:15 pm
@cane(cane)-140: I thought it would have been similar to our record. We lost to Wales only once. However, I do not want to revisit that episode. That’s worth a 1000 posts on Keo.
15 Jun 2011, 14:16 pm
@Hospital Pass(Hospital Pass)-139:
I agree there will be more pressure on the AB’s.
But only marginally so.
The Rugby Public in SA also place huge expectations upon their Team. And are quite ruthless in playing the blame game.
SA Provincialism runs riot when the Bokke get the speed wobbles.
15 Jun 2011, 14:23 pm
@cane(cane)-141
Let us stick to the rugby please. The fact of the matter is that there will be pressure on both our teams, and as you also said slightly more so on the All Blacks. In your opinion what do you think the AB’s have to do differently in this RWC to deal with the pressure and expectations playing in front of their home crowds? From an SA perspective I think we are in a decent position with a few of our Super Rugby teams winning games in NZ and Aus this season, which does not happen often, especially for the Lions and the Cheetahs. And on top of that the Bokke have won a few over in NZ since the last RWC. In my humble opinion NZ dominance has left them mentally vulnerable to tight pressure situations, as the AB’s win most of their games against all opposition. Other teams on the other hand have real battles where they have to fight for victory as opposed to bulldozing the opposition. your thoughts please?
15 Jun 2011, 14:34 pm
The likely bad weather coupled with the fact that the referees are allowing players to compete more at rucks will mean that we won’t be seeing very expansive rugby or very high scoring games at the world cup. This won’t suit our antipodean cousins but could play into the Boks hands – if we play halfbacks who can manage a game well in those conditions. Unfortunately, this will give the likes of England a chance too…
15 Jun 2011, 14:57 pm
@Hospital Pass(Hospital Pass)-143: I have read a whole book on the pressure the ABs are under but at the end of the day we can psyco analyize both teams – it comes down to 30 men on the field and their decision making .
15 Jun 2011, 15:04 pm
@stew(stew)-145: 31 men and their decision making…
15 Jun 2011, 15:27 pm
@The_Don(The_Don)-105: New Zealand women are the most promiscuous on the planet. Cheap good for nothing *****! http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/10/13/1191696214489.html
So keep your disease ridden whores in Mudd Island.
15 Jun 2011, 15:32 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-128: Not so, who were the form teams on 07 WC? Not France you ignorant twat. Fiji played far fAR better than France, as did Tonga and england and argentina. Nz and Australia boasted big things and where HUMILIATED in their qf. Australia dishing up the worst qf I have ever seen. Closest they got to a try was a pennalty on halfway. did they actually get to the England 22? I cant recall them doing so. then there was nz mauling aimlessly for 20 minutes not having the slightest clue what was going on. thinking they would stroll to victory, bwahahahahahahahaha. go home you worthless racist. you hate saffers so much you hate south africa so much then p!ss off to NZ herald or whatever rat infested hole they dwell in bleating about how they are the best thing in existance. we dont want or need your kind here.
15 Jun 2011, 15:32 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-147: ooohhh angry man trying to prove a point..
here you go idiot..
A baby was bitten to death by rats at Orlando East in Soweto while her mother was out partying at the weekend, The New Age newspaper reported on Thursday. Neighbours said they heard the baby cry in pain in the middle of the night. By morning the baby was found dead, covered in bloody rat bites.
The teenage mother apparently spent the whole night partying while her child was left unattended.
Warrant Officer Bongani Mhlongo said the girl was arrested on Monday, appeared at the Orlando Magistrate’s court and was released on bail.
“We were called to the scene of the death of the infant due to a rat attack on Monday morning around 9am. The mother of the child was arrested and charged with culpable homicide and negligence,” Mhlongo said.
just for you… be proud that this happens in your country, be oh so proud…
15 Jun 2011, 15:33 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-148: no, you have enough hate there for the entire world, dont you dutchie?
15 Jun 2011, 15:36 pm
ROY, can you please do your job!!!!!!!!!!!!
15 Jun 2011, 15:39 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-149:
The little you know about the country is frightening. Why point this out because it doesn’t affect 99.9% of the bloggers on this site….we don’t live in poverty with rats in our houses….ignorance is bliss where you come from sonny.
15 Jun 2011, 15:42 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-152: who are the 0.1% on this site who live with rats?
15 Jun 2011, 15:45 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-147: I take it all back! I’m on the next plane to Auckland to meet some Kiwi sl uts!
15 Jun 2011, 15:50 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-152: so, excluding bloggers, how many people does it effect?
or are you that ignorant?
@The_Don(The_Don)-154: yep, good luck… perhaps you could use “corrective rape” as your opening line huh?
15 Jun 2011, 15:52 pm
@The_Don(The_Don)-154: Hey and dont forget we have the loosiest sheep on the planet – have told my father to lock our sheep away for the WC , dont want you Saffas gettin a taste of the good life.
15 Jun 2011, 15:55 pm
Both should go to the world cup
Butchie had a good game against the sharks but il first wait to see his form during the tri nations before saying he should start at 10.
Play Butchie on the away leg and Morne at home
Lambie will be there but probably wont make the bench as we will have Pienaar, Jdj and Gio on the bench
15 Jun 2011, 16:02 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-67:
Justice4 the Persecution Theorists !
15 Jun 2011, 16:05 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-72:
3 – 0, sweetheart.
be off with your tutu and tell the other ballerinas to hand Cinderellas slipper back
15 Jun 2011, 16:06 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-80:
now thats class.
15 Jun 2011, 16:14 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-155: You don’t want your sheep catching AIDS either…
15 Jun 2011, 16:14 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-153:
Capo.
15 Jun 2011, 16:15 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-147:
no man.
I think I know a little boy who needs a lie down.
15 Jun 2011, 16:16 pm
Caleb Ralph is back for the Reds – traitor !!!
15 Jun 2011, 16:17 pm
@gunther is feeling bullish(gunther)-162:
15 Jun 2011, 16:18 pm
@stew(stew)-164: caleb ralph? wasn’t he with the saders?
15 Jun 2011, 16:20 pm
@Mustard(Mustard)-157: why must butch play away games?
15 Jun 2011, 16:22 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-166: About 4 years ago – apparently he has been drafted in for cover been playing in the local club league in Brisbane
15 Jun 2011, 16:27 pm
@stew(stew)-164: Caleb ralph…..thought he retired…had a good step on him
15 Jun 2011, 16:28 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-153:
I was thinking that skopskyt might know someone that knows someone that knows an uncle who has a cousin twice removed in Orlando…
15 Jun 2011, 16:30 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-152: That’s typical NZder for you. He displays is race tinted glasses view for all to see. He has the gall to come onto a SA site and insult sA, then try take the moral high ground!! Jeez I wonder why that makes me angry… idiot!! and he ASSUMES that I’m white as well, loved that Dutchie jibe! bwahahahahahah. I’m not white and I’m definitely not Dutch, or Afrikaner.
15 Jun 2011, 16:32 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-155:
Stop trying so hard to always be right….that’s indicative of your inferioirty complex with regards to South Africans.
You waste so much negative energy trying to be one step ahead of us that you forget why you hate us so much..my 7 year old daugher is more mature than you.
15 Jun 2011, 16:33 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-153:
Good question.
He probably count you as one of them you shack dweller you.
15 Jun 2011, 16:33 pm
@grant10(grant10)-167: Both Butch and Morne need game time with the Boks….so best solution would be to play the one one on the away leg and one at home.
15 Jun 2011, 16:37 pm
@Mustard(Mustard)-174: okay….
so let Butch play at home then….
Just cant understand why Butch has to be the player to go compete away…..M Steyn is the player that doesent cope away from the melktert….let him go to kiwiland and aussie
15 Jun 2011, 16:38 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-171:
Thing that I’ve noticed about that blogger is that he goes through periods (literally) of being somewhat coherent and logical….the suddenly goes off the deep end and throws his reputation for being a solid bloke right out the window by being childish in his arguments….it’s like he has a narcissistic personality disorder.
15 Jun 2011, 16:40 pm
My backline for the away leg 3 nations
9. Hougaard
10. Butch
11. Habana
12 JdJ (rest Jdv)
13 Fourie
14 Gio
15 Frans
For the home leg
9. FDP
10. Morne
11. Habana
12 Jdv
13 Jdj (rest fourie)
14 Jpp
15 Frans (needs game time)
15 Jun 2011, 16:44 pm
@grant10(grant10)-175: either way….they both just need game time. Why i said play Butchie on the away is because we have to consider player fatigue given the season that they have had. Morne played almost every game if im not mistaken…..and the away leg is first i think…..so rest morne during that period so he’l be fresh for the home leg. Butchie has not played that much so keep playing him i say…then bench him at home.
15 Jun 2011, 16:45 pm
Watsup with poppa today.
If he uses that story one more time re SA I will moer him myself.
I mean wtf!!! Surely he has better things to do with his time!
If he actually lived in NZ it would be a different matter.
15 Jun 2011, 16:46 pm
@nama1(nama1)-173:
15 Jun 2011, 16:47 pm
@grant10(grant10)-175: ja MSteyn goes to p!ss away from the koeksusters
15 Jun 2011, 16:49 pm
Damn I have had it with people millions of miles away preaching at us.
It infects my eyes.
15 Jun 2011, 16:51 pm
@Mustard(Mustard)-178: M Steyn needs all the practice in kiwiland he can gett.
bloody useless when he leaves SA…
15 Jun 2011, 16:51 pm
i’m getting concerned now, the English team going to the world cup might just be New Zealanders & Saffas with some poms sprinkled in there for good measure!
Boertjie in England’s sights
2011-06-14 19:00Email | Print
Bloemfontein – Mouritz Botha, a South African from Vryheid, could be the surprise package in England’s squad for this year’s Rugby World Cup.
Botha became eligible to play for England this year.
The 29-year Saracens lock has been lauded by the English media after his feisty performance at Gloucester’s Kingsholm ground against Tonga on Sunday.
It was especially his bone crunching tackles on the physical Tongans that attracted big attention in the English Saxons’ 41-14 victory in a Churchill Cup match.
Saxons’ coach Stuart Lancaster, said that many of their forwards impressed so much that they could be included in England coach Martin Johnson’s Rugby World Cup training squad.
After Botha represented English club side, Bedford Blues in 73 matches since 2006, he received an offer from Saracens’ South African coach, Brendan Venter in 2009. He has since excelled at Saracens.
He made his debut for the Saxons in their 87-8 victory over America.
15 Jun 2011, 16:52 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-85:
gee, this tale has so many funny chapters – more more !
15 Jun 2011, 16:52 pm
It wasnt one tackle, it was two and he should be banned for a month
15 Jun 2011, 16:53 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-179: poppa is just “returning serve”
15 Jun 2011, 16:55 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-179: where does he live?
15 Jun 2011, 16:56 pm
@foreverrugga(foreverrugga)-188: aus…
15 Jun 2011, 16:59 pm
We are gatvol of his returning serve.
You know mos. We should be ashamed of ourselves for letting that baby die. Why didn’t you stop it.
We allowed it to happen.
15 Jun 2011, 17:02 pm
He lives in bloody australia.
Fecking hypocrite
Don’t get me started
15 Jun 2011, 17:02 pm
@Hospital Pass(Hospital Pass)-125:
yeah, youre probably right.
Only NZ is ‘under pressure’ at the RWC.
Everyone else arrives under No Pressure……
certainly France, who have never won a RWC despite multiple Grand Slams
Not Engl, the richest rugby nation, 6N Winners but hammered by Ireland.
Not Aussie, because they never believe they can win anything and surrender quicker than Boy George in the face of a pea-shooter.
And not SA, and their travelling political excuse-ridden Circus with Krusty as the Ringmaster.
Yep, just NZ, only NZ.
psssst, pass the Tuis !
15 Jun 2011, 17:03 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-190: do you know how far from Orlando i actually live?
15 Jun 2011, 17:05 pm
My point exactly
We should be ashamed
15 Jun 2011, 17:06 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-191: yep, yet nothing to say about post 147 Dawn?
hypocrite is right…
15 Jun 2011, 17:06 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-148:
Pray for Fiji !
15 Jun 2011, 17:08 pm
@stew(stew)-164:
you should be relieved, not disappointed !
can remember a more average Canty AB since Rita Philpott.
15 Jun 2011, 17:10 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-176:
Premenstrual giving lessons about ‘periods’
that is bloody hilarious !
15 Jun 2011, 17:12 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-191:
are there 2 of you, Peaches ?
nectarine imposters !
15 Jun 2011, 17:14 pm
Shut up
We never claimed to be perfect so we have nothing to apologise for
Go vent your spleen elsewhere
You can’t vreet us but spend 100 percent of your time here
15 Jun 2011, 17:16 pm
@grant10(grant10)-183: 2009 he was brilliant in Nz….though the game plan was very one dimensional….bored me…but we won it so ya.
Bigger problems than 10 imo..
Front row and 8th man
For all beast great loose play….doesnt really dominate at scrum time…same with Jannie. And reserve tighthead? theres no indication who that will be at this point which leads us to believe that smit will cover 3….big mistake.
Also 8th man….im not a spies hater but he really needs to find form soon.
Id really be interested in the 6.Brussouw 7.Smith 8.Burger Combo with Danie as cover on the bench.
15 Jun 2011, 17:21 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-192: Spin it how you want….If Nz dont win this WC it will be a disaster. If a team dominates like the AB do between Wc (respect for that) and dont win the Bill then its just embarrassing. Yes all the SH teams will be under pressure but Nz will be the most.
15 Jun 2011, 17:29 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-192: please don’t start me on PDV again
15 Jun 2011, 17:30 pm
@Mustard(Mustard)-202: You are right of course, not winning in NZ would almost certainly result in mass suicide by Tui injection
15 Jun 2011, 17:32 pm
@Mustard(Mustard)-202: Of course even if the ABs do win, it will only be their first real one, so we can give them one and a half, and both at HOME…
15 Jun 2011, 17:34 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-200:
Black Pooftah is sticking up for the other Kiwi just for the sake of it..very girly as usual…we could have been debating which Barbie is cuter and Black Pansy would have swooped in and scratched my eyes out for daring to pick Malibu over New York Barbie….
15 Jun 2011, 17:35 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-206: What about Karangahape Road Barbie? She comes with glue and a six pack of Tui to drink her pretty
15 Jun 2011, 17:37 pm
@Mustard(Mustard)-202:
They’re past masters at doing the embarrassing at RWC’s….
15 Jun 2011, 17:38 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-207:
Fark that made me laugh
15 Jun 2011, 17:40 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-208: you too have said nothing about post 147, I wonder why? actually defending your little bumchum blitzcock…
it is just as vile and disgusting as anything I have said, but as usual your one of the biggest farken hypocrites…
typical…
15 Jun 2011, 17:40 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-209:
heh heh heh
15 Jun 2011, 17:41 pm
@Mustard(Mustard)-202:
whenever my team dont win its a disaster – whats the difference ?
same for any team that has realistic intentions to win it.
15 Jun 2011, 17:41 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-210: Hey Pops, you watching Georgia just take out Argentina?
15 Jun 2011, 17:42 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-205:
oh, so 1995 was only worth a half ?
thank God for Suzi huh, only half the ***** we ever assumed she was.
15 Jun 2011, 17:42 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-213: nah… didnt even know they were playing to be honest..
15 Jun 2011, 17:43 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-214: No no no. 1995 was a full win, I mean the Abs were at least allowed at the tournament, unlike the Mighty Boks in 1987
Not allowed to play rugby because of some or other notion about politics
15 Jun 2011, 17:43 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-209:
is that your version of “sticking up for the other Safa for the sake of it”, Premenstrual ?
15 Jun 2011, 17:47 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-214:
WOW, retrospective action on Keo, that appeared 1st time around.
sort of like Louis Luyt
“we would have beaten Australia in the morning and NZ in the afternoon”
yep, carve your name on it as many times as you like you Big fat Fck
15 Jun 2011, 17:47 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-214: Suzi never existed, there is no proof of that and no one saw her.
And that is a weird name for a maid in South Africa, I would have believed Precious or Patience, Petunia even, but not Suzi.
15 Jun 2011, 17:48 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-218: Think I missed something… ‘looking up to see if he can see concept whizz past….”
15 Jun 2011, 17:49 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-210:
What! You mean the rumours aren’t true???? Come onnnn nowww…pull the other leg….
15 Jun 2011, 17:52 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-216:
square peg
round hole
15 Jun 2011, 17:52 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-221: In fairness the SA v NZ girl debate stacks up in favour of a fair amount of open legged SAFFAs in my experience. Must be the Durban Private School thing LOL
15 Jun 2011, 17:53 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-219:
thats just your maternal side whispering sweet nothings in your ear
15 Jun 2011, 17:54 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-222: Pegs and holes bah humbug! This is Africa, if it doesn’t fit we make it fit or we break it trying. Or we sell it, or drink it, or eat it, or knife it.
Pegs and holes ha ha ha
15 Jun 2011, 17:56 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-217:
It’s true though. I got me a Kiwi girl in East Timor….a cop too…and she had no problems boning me on the first night…she was game…and a damn good sport. Could drink like a man too. Pretty redhead with interesting tats in interesting places..lives in Christchurch. Been trying to find out if she was alright but don’t know how to go about it.
15 Jun 2011, 17:56 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-224: answer me this please, I actually don’t know the answer:
David Kirk won the RWC for NZ in 1987 and then some time later seems to have been excommunicated. What did he do or did I get the story wrong?
15 Jun 2011, 17:57 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-221: so you wouldnt have a problem if I said all the woman in your family are filthy, ****** whotres who give it out for free?
cool, glad we’re on an even keel now..
15 Jun 2011, 17:58 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-226: Find her on facebook, or Bebo, seems kiwis like Bebo
15 Jun 2011, 18:00 pm
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-136: Taking the Lambie, Michalak axis idea right from your mouth. Maybe the article is just coincidence… but then again I dont think so.
Good one.
15 Jun 2011, 18:08 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-212: Difference its a ******….no a freakn ****** on your back…..just like it is for us and the cricket. Will be interesting to see how you guys handle the pressure time around. Given its a knockout competition….when Nz face us or Aus anyone can win on the day.
15 Jun 2011, 18:10 pm
lol why is the ****** censored out…strange
15 Jun 2011, 18:21 pm
Get lost poppa. If I were you i would have commented on those disasters in NZ. You chose to drag impoverished people into this, I didnt insult anyone less fortunate or suffering any tragedy. So dont try dodge that difference. And secondly you are NZ insulting SA on an south african site you dilly!! Do you think you an start off a tirade against a nation to that nations people and NOT get a negative rsponse? lmao!! not very bright buddy boy.
15 Jun 2011, 18:25 pm
He hit back and say it’s the http://www…the net is for everyone….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
15 Jun 2011, 18:29 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-233: bwahahaha go catch aids from some of your SA disease riddled whores chump…
perhaps great white shark can pass it on to you..
15 Jun 2011, 18:40 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-235: bwahahahaha, dont try riddle out of this!!!
15 Jun 2011, 18:40 pm
just read that Habs was asking R 21m to sign for Toulon and they declined, freaking lol
15 Jun 2011, 18:41 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-235: The disease of our nation, of our Province, KZN, is HIV. It has infected something like 60 percent of the people and 90 percent of hospital patients.
Super funny all these dying black people… think before you speak pops!
15 Jun 2011, 18:42 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-237: 21m? a lot for a rugby player! Chabal is the most paid player in rugby, but he never produces the goods! worse than Jacobs is at centre.
15 Jun 2011, 18:43 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-236: Im not riddle?????? out of it (the word is wriggling, but hey, your too dumb to know the difference)…
I was having a shot at how any country could let one of its citizens die by being eaten by rats, you turned it into a impoveriished thing…go figure..
keep clutching at them straws little boy..
15 Jun 2011, 18:44 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-238: hey, he wants to talk about NZ woman as disease infested whores, then Ill respond in kind…
the fact Im the only one being taken to task for it highlights all Ive been trying to say…
thanks…
15 Jun 2011, 18:46 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-237: habana’s ego just landed.
He can go fetch it, it’s in the corner with Graham Smiths’
15 Jun 2011, 18:48 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-241: I’m not interested in you guys and your handbags at dawn
Just letting you know the scary sad facts about HIV infection and Aids deaths in SA and KZN in particular. Can you even begin to imagine your 12 year old girl being infected by the 18 year old in her standard 5 class!
15 Jun 2011, 19:04 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-235: Classy… Laugh at a pandemic… In the context of Africa its almost like having a laugh at the Holocaust… Nice one.
15 Jun 2011, 19:08 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-241: Only if you believe what he says is real, being oversensitive and taking it at face value… On the contrary HIV and AIDS is very, very real… On a have-a-laugh-at-multitudes-of- deaths scale this dwarfs anything that could possibly be said about NZ earthquakes or mining disasters… Way to go.
Truly exposed.
15 Jun 2011, 19:16 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-226:
Dont let it be said that youre not a classy guy, Premenstrual. Perhaps Whatever can act as your Kiwi Cupid and set up a date in the toilets ?
15 Jun 2011, 19:17 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-244: Actually the Holocaust only killed 6 million Jewes, HIV in KZN is going to kill about the same all on it’s own and 40 million worldwide.
15 Jun 2011, 19:19 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-227:
He got far too smart, went to Oxford and got an MBA (or Political science ? – he was a qualified Dr) and Captained the team to victory in the Varsity Match.
someone must have rucked his nuts because he makes Krusty sound like Pavarotti.
He was then advisor to the National Govt on his return to NZ. He was later CEO of Fairfax, mega-Aus media conglomerate. A bit of an over-achiever type.
15 Jun 2011, 19:20 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-247: True. And then it becomes a “fabulous” Kiwi joke.
15 Jun 2011, 19:21 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-233:
ask KKK and his opinion about those disasters in NZ
15 Jun 2011, 19:22 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-235:
its not really cool, Pops, dont lower yourself to their level.
15 Jun 2011, 19:24 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-240: No it’s all there, you took a swipe at impverished south africans, and made a racist jibe with your dutchie comment. but Im not, so lmao!!! And you were the originator of this whole thing. I merely responded to put you in your place! Like I said, if I WAS like you I would have taken a swipe at NZs problems, I didnt. I called out your whores as being such as they choose to be that way. Its not forced on them. Impoverised people do not have means to change their circumstanes. So again, you are exposed. too dumb to see it, or too proud?
15 Jun 2011, 19:24 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-244:
Boy George takes the Moral High Ground
~ chortle ~
15 Jun 2011, 19:25 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-253: stuff you. Taking it up the rear much? lmao!!!
15 Jun 2011, 19:26 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-248: Ah yes, not a way to win friends in NZ, achieving and stuff!@
I saw he was involved with Fairfax, Murdoch’s gang of conservative goons. He may have won the RWC but his political leanings don’t endear him to me…
15 Jun 2011, 19:29 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-253: There absolutely nothing I can say or have said that could possibly beat humouring millions of deaths by a disease where people literally waste away… slowly.
Having a laugh too…? Impressive. You Kiwis on Keo are showing your true colours…
15 Jun 2011, 19:31 pm
“Don’t lower yourself to their level.”
Ja. My eyes are truly infected now.
15 Jun 2011, 19:36 pm
By being here you esteemed kiwi runaways have already lowered yourselves to our “level”
Why, I have no idea. Your halos must feel so …. Dirty
15 Jun 2011, 19:38 pm
no, Boy George, I think it’s very poor form and that’s why I said so.
You spend so much time in the gutter that no wonder you can’t tell the difference when you have sh*t in your eyes.
15 Jun 2011, 19:41 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-259: your so blind its pathetic. Poor form? calling whores whores? I never took any low shots.
15 Jun 2011, 19:44 pm
GYGT
noone has a beef with Capt Kirk. Don’t get your paternal antennae confused with yr maternal one. ‘Tall Poppy’, as Boy George seems to profess on along with every other subject known to man, has more to do with the exhibition of arrogance than it does with the achievement getting there. Jackie Fourie wouldn’t last a minute whilst Real Heroes like Peter Snell and Ed Hillary remain immune because they are humble and let others opine on who is “still the best”, like it should be.
15 Jun 2011, 19:45 pm
Yes
The gutter is SA’s level
We can’t see for s h I t
Blitzbok, say you are sorry to the good men. They are better than you. You don’t know your place.
15 Jun 2011, 19:45 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-259: “Its very poor form” – Oh is that so? Let me quote you, to the idjit who thinks AIDS is a laugh “dont lower yourself to their level”…. This same idjit who was caught out before for humouring the deaths of millions and who consequently apologised therefore forfeiting any notions of naivety…One word: SCUM!
“You spend so much time in the gutter”…. Nice one! But a little bit inane and something that might have worked on your kids’ playground.
Are you a tall poppy now looking down on this gutter dweller…
Nice to know you think you are superior… But that is it, hey?
15 Jun 2011, 19:47 pm
Carly Panty spouting forth on HUMILITY!!!!???
How does it go…
“~ chortle ~”
What a naked twat!
15 Jun 2011, 19:48 pm
Outtahere…
15 Jun 2011, 19:53 pm
Blitz bok apologise
We are just here by the grace of generous kiwis
The colours of the site are not SA actually
We must have respect for them. They have done the right thing and deserted their homelands and are teaching us
15 Jun 2011, 20:11 pm
Peaches, wtf has happened to you ?!
‘their level’ is, and never had been, an inclusive All-SA sweeping generalisation, so dont twist and squeeze it in to a shape that suits your vested interests. I clearly meant to refer to those morons that Pops was replying to, only. I would never incl, for eg, you/Puma/GYGT/G10/Soda for a small but not exlusive list, but have no problem listing the obvious inclusions should you wish to ignore them.
15 Jun 2011, 20:13 pm
where is stew?
he is a kiwi living in sa, i think.
stew, do pops a favour and help him out
the poor bloke is embarrassing himself with his skewed view of this country
15 Jun 2011, 20:28 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-261: Righty then. Be successful but don’t get above yourself, yes. I do know the story.
South Africans love arrogance, it seems to be hardwired into the DNA. An arrogant bloke has it made here!
15 Jun 2011, 20:30 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-266: bwahahahahahaha, classic! XD
Good luck getting through to them! And Black-Panty, -Pansy, -puffda, whatever, is too blinkered!
15 Jun 2011, 20:40 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-267: Grovelling….
15 Jun 2011, 20:44 pm
Is this a full eclipse or partial?
(The moon, I mean)
15 Jun 2011, 20:58 pm
Pops makes no distinctions
The whole country allowed that baby to die
We are all responsible
15 Jun 2011, 21:24 pm
wow! heavy stuff going down here tonight. And here was I looking for a little rare light entertainment. Instead I drop into the tales of Faust. Bit heavy guys. Chill.
15 Jun 2011, 21:28 pm
funny that..
not one person mentions Blitzboks “disease riddled whores” comment
the only difference is I chose to mention a disease that is rife in SA… if Id have said SA disease riddled whores you would all of course not said a thing and moved on right… yeah farken right…
you condemn me and dont say a word at the equalling disgusting comment of Blitzboks… says it all… judge me all you like, but your own inconsistencies are glaringly obvious too..
Id imagine then that everyone who is so morally up in arms will be busy writing and voicing their disgust at the Matt Stone and Trey Parker song “Everyone has Aids” that is on the Team America – World Police official soundtrack album…
so have your little site hypocrites…
15 Jun 2011, 21:34 pm
HIV talk is taboo.. like Nazi’s and holocausts and babies dying in shanty towns… life is taboo… cause it only happens someplace else… not here.
15 Jun 2011, 21:55 pm
DISEASE RIDDEN W H O R E S
Happy now?
Someone’s mentioned it
15 Jun 2011, 22:00 pm
Bloody preachers from the fecking distant expat ramparts
15 Jun 2011, 22:04 pm
Anyway I’m more fascinated by the eclipse than the whining of some disgruntled kiwi expat nobody bleating about what’s being said about a country he doesn’t live in
15 Jun 2011, 22:08 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-276: HIV talk shouldn’t be taboo… Awareness is good. Ridicule and belittling the suffering of AIDS afflicted should be cautioned though.
15 Jun 2011, 22:10 pm
whats happening on the moon, are the gravitational forces pulling the senses hither and thither inside out, or hows the moon shine doing while being eclipsed by moeder aarde?
15 Jun 2011, 22:15 pm
At least here we get to see games instead of scrabbling around for streams and dingy pubs
Not bad for a rat infested hellhole
15 Jun 2011, 22:17 pm
Eclipse of the moon and the storm from hell
15 Jun 2011, 22:20 pm
Ja Aids is a sad state of human affairs, dunno who or what introduced it into human blood chromosome circulation, and what the real underlying cause of the pandemic is about, maybe natures way of saying no mas when everything gets superimposed out of kilter, the consequences of unnatural promiscuity or why suffering of any nature is part and parcel of the human experience.
Life is made up of pleasure and pain, the human brain gravitates to what it finds pleasurable and shuns that which leads to pain, yet we cannot understand that for every moment or act of pleasure there has to be an equal and opposite consequence of pain, as is birth or life, so is decay or death, part and parcel of the same experience, and reality of it all is every single cell and occupant in natures kingdom got to go through more or less the self same path to lesser or greater degrees of both pleasure and pain.
That’s why when somebody tells you that this universe is only about suffering, whether you believe him or you don’t its an absolute salient fact. Cause we are born blind to the reality of who or where we actually are.
15 Jun 2011, 22:23 pm
Whats up Dawnie you on a quest of hell fire and brimstone you got your Jeanne d’Arc sword out its scabbard and its a aching for some blood?
15 Jun 2011, 22:24 pm
Blood red ecliptic moon on a stormy night sounds like the demons are out at war tonight.
15 Jun 2011, 22:33 pm
Damn right
Am tired of expat kuk
15 Jun 2011, 22:38 pm
slag them stukkend with that mighty Arcadian Aries sword, no time to stuff around if they soeking for kak slag them sat een skat.
15 Jun 2011, 23:03 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-284: the truth…
15 Jun 2011, 23:05 pm
jeepers I love this crazy place!
Somewhere in the pain and angst something worthwhile is being forged, on a rugby blog, yes its true…
15 Jun 2011, 23:11 pm
hallelujah… concordance.. eventually… uiteindelik … wonder of wonders… miracle of miracles… light at the end of the dark tunnel… the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow actually does exist.
The dark cloud of ignorance is suddenly in process of being lifted and …yeah CSNY were correct when they sang ‘its been a long time coming … gonna be a long time gone… but you know the darkest hour… is always just before the dawn’.
15 Jun 2011, 23:17 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-286: Fallen angels crying…
15 Jun 2011, 23:19 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-291: Ag maybe just once. Arent you lucky
15 Jun 2011, 23:21 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-247: you chaps in kzn should maybe stop with your chitty bang bang.
15 Jun 2011, 23:23 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-289:
Danke schön
15 Jun 2011, 23:24 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-295: Sons of Seth and Daughters of Cain…
15 Jun 2011, 23:26 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-296: All are Sons of Elohim… Even Breezer supporters.
15 Jun 2011, 23:26 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-295: and that’s also just this once.. just for the mos of it
now where were we.. jawohl … as you were.
15 Jun 2011, 23:27 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-297: Sometimes.
15 Jun 2011, 23:29 pm
Elohim is actually plural gods.. like a whole host of them
from the source of western religion that conceptualized monotheism came the concept of Elohim.. being a host of Gods in paradise.
15 Jun 2011, 23:33 pm
and they still dancing on the totem pole goal posts in anticipation of one almighty act of redemption
Its been a long time coming… gonna be a long time gone… but you know the darkest hour is always just before the dawn … I remember David Crosby singing that.
15 Jun 2011, 23:33 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-298: Confusion heard his voice, and wild uproar Stood ruled, stood vast infinitude confined; Till at his second bidding darkness fled, Light shone, and order from disorder sprung.
15 Jun 2011, 23:35 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-300: Annunaki… Gregori… Watchers. Same thing new age vibrating, reconstructive piffle.
15 Jun 2011, 23:35 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-302:
so you actually a believing heathen and all along you been pretending you one them new age existentialist atheists
15 Jun 2011, 23:38 pm
Elohim and Annunaki ain’t off the same manuscript .. though they may very well be related if that Serbian deconstructionist of Assyrian and Sumerian ancient historical mythical culture is in any way accurate or correct in his findings or assumptions.
15 Jun 2011, 23:40 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-305: It is one thing to show a man that he is in an error, and another to put him in possession of the truth.
15 Jun 2011, 23:43 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-305: Fairy tales are more than true; not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten
15 Jun 2011, 23:44 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-307: Should be a reply to 304
15 Jun 2011, 23:45 pm
its easy to sprout other men’s truths or words or theories or equations or findings, its quite another thing to know and experience truth for oneself
15 Jun 2011, 23:47 pm
is it not way past bedtime for this former nazi-loving sadf township oppressor?aspoeslappie doesn’t know the truth even if it hits him square in the face.the old chap is still in self-denial as to his exploits in the burning townships.
15 Jun 2011, 23:49 pm
what modern science knows of the nature of the vast physical universe, let alone of any other universes beyond it, is like a hair of incomplete knowledge floating on an ocean of vast unknown reality.
15 Jun 2011, 23:52 pm
@gunther is nazi-loving german rent-boy(Valkyrie)-310: you outa your league here kiddie winkie, fokof back to the dumbfck ignorant cave you crawled out from, dumb schmuck moronic idiocy incarnate
15 Jun 2011, 23:53 pm
“No man is an iland,
intire of it selfe;
every man is a peece of the Continent,
a part of the maine;
if a clod bee washed away by the Sea,
Europe is the lesse,
as well as if a Promontorie were,
as well as if a Mannor of thy friends
or of thine owne were;
ANY MANS death diminishes me,
because I AM involved in Mankinde;
And therefore never send to know
for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee….”
Clearly the COUNTRY is to be blamed for the death of an innocent child. Or does the modern christianity preach total selfishness?
15 Jun 2011, 23:53 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-309: What do you know about truth.
One true word.
One true life.
Self-awareness
Love is Pain
Hate is Pain
Life is living with and overcoming pain.
Self-actuation.
15 Jun 2011, 23:55 pm
@ET.(ET.)-313: Howzit… We getting maudlin now in the apparent full moon witching hour…
15 Jun 2011, 23:58 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-311: Modern Science asks questions… What it “knows” in totality is never constant… Expanding contracting… Hypotheses and Theories built on and added to or scrapped… Pure Modern Science is unsentimental… Vorsprung.
15 Jun 2011, 23:59 pm
@ET.(ET.)-313: No man is an island…?
15 Jun 2011, 23:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-315:
Does Britain witness this moon event?
No eclipse here my side of the pond.
This w-end is D-say for those who want to slip slide away to a home quarter final instead of the silly season(which we still witness daily) first place or second place home semis.
16 Jun 2011, 00:01 am
Strife,
Struggle,
Onward,
Upward,
Setbacks,
Victories…
Life…
Rugby…
16 Jun 2011, 00:01 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-317:
That is the copy and paste of the old English version of Donne
16 Jun 2011, 00:02 am
@ET.(ET.)-318: Nope cant see an eclipse here. Blaady blood red sky earlier… slightly unusual sunset for London Town.
16 Jun 2011, 00:02 am
@ET.(ET.)-320: Yeah, man
16 Jun 2011, 00:04 am
aspoeslappie’s talk about truth is nothing but laughable to say the least. as Abraham Lincoln once said ‘ You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool some of thepeople all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time’.he probably had this aspoeslappie in mind when he said that.credit to et for outing this springs born former nazi-loving sadf township oppressor.
16 Jun 2011, 00:06 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-317:
If the Gen. has to be taken away from his position(only if it benefits the team) of control I do not think it shoulld be to the f-b position.
He has to be closer to the action as in position 12, Here he and Freddy can proceed to bamboozle the Bulls as they play the double f-h ploy of going left or right.
16 Jun 2011, 00:07 am
no one can impart truth on any blog of in-consequence
that is simply a feeble attempt at blowing trumpets or blowing in the wind
and with morons moping around in menopausal misplaced misery on meandering make believe worlds such as avenues as these it makes it even less of a vastly emphatic hopeless impossibility. Fact is they are so far removed from any hope of ever reaching any concerted opportunity for even vaguely knowing wtf they are doing occupying a human body that any attempt at possibly educating them is like pharting straight into the phantom wind and expecting to become pregnant with quadrupedal triplets.
16 Jun 2011, 00:09 am
@ET.(ET.)-324: Yeah, you Shark Lover and Mshini may be right.
I just think that with Bulls skop en jaag there could be opportunities with General Lambie there as back stop.
16 Jun 2011, 00:10 am
@gunther is nazi-loving german rent-boy(Valkyrie)-323: the pity is that dumbfck idiots such as you are fooled beyond your wildest fckd up imaginations… and you don’t even know the beginning of it you pathetic moronic useless idiot fucked up dunce.
16 Jun 2011, 00:10 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-321:
It is the OMENS of another good w-end. Just watch them Blues(first) make it necessary for the Stormers to win to get 2nd place. Then Sat. see the Reds put place 1 out of reach and ‘Saders take up 2nd.
The timing of the Sharks gamme might make that a practice session if the W-tahs lose to the NEW Brums.
16 Jun 2011, 00:12 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-325: Do you know wtf you are doing occupying a human body other than mainly blogospheric belches of the what and very rarely miniscule pin pricks of showing that you vaguely know whats cutting with the why?
16 Jun 2011, 00:13 am
Sharks gonna catch Bulls in their superior delusions of grandeur and catch them napping in their skop skiet en jaag ou tydse neanderthal patterns. If they brave enough to that is, which they might just become, seeing as Stormers lost the plot entirely last Saturday.
16 Jun 2011, 00:15 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-326:
Very interested to see who your forward pack will be made up of.
They will have to play hard for at least 65mins. if a win is needed after that W-tahs game.
Sharks can do it if they put their minds to the task. Bulls are not a patch on past 2 years.
Stormers knoown stupidity under pressure made it that much easier for them.
16 Jun 2011, 00:17 am
@ET.(ET.)-328: Eish you know what. This whole weekend could be one of upsets. I reckon those Chiefs might do a number on the Reds. For me the only really clear cut game is the Saders v Canes (S) and Rebels v Force (F). The rest are 50/50 or 55/45 with home ground the difference or refs confounding…
16 Jun 2011, 00:17 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-329:
well that’s for your to assume or guess about, and only for you to try deduce or contemplate about wtf you are doing in a human body. Makes no difference to you whether I know wtf I’m doing in a human body.. but it makes every pertinent absolute difference to you if you yourself begin to know wtf you are doing in a human body.. that is for your own personal sake .. and not for mine.
16 Jun 2011, 00:22 am
@ET.(ET.)-331: Yeah it will be interesting to see who Plum puts on the park.
I reckon he might do:
Beast
Bis
Van Staaden
Mostert
Sykes
Daniel
Alberts
Kanko
But fark me Kanko is poor at the moment and has played himself out of Bok selection so far.
Although more “one dimensional” I would shift Daniel to 8, keep Alberts where he is and bring Deysel in.
I also hope Barney does not start. Not the way he is playing at the moment. Jannie DuP may come on in second half if match fit.
16 Jun 2011, 00:25 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-330: Bulls also had a tough game while Sharks were farking around this last Sat… A barrier for both teams. Bulls have adv of Loftus but may be overconfident. Yeah so you might me right (fark me thats twice tonight – must be gravitational vibrations of this witching hour afflicting all the way through the digital through Keo to yours truly)
16 Jun 2011, 00:26 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-333: Why must you know. Sometimes it is good to just be. To accept and calm the restless soul, bru.
16 Jun 2011, 00:27 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-335: might me right = might be right… almost time for bed
16 Jun 2011, 00:28 am
Keo your blog lacks integrity…Fox journalism at is best.
Butch has shown he is a liability. Pity as he is a good player but one brain **** in a big match thats it, over.
No Keo, Butch should not got to the RWC. The risk and repuation is too much.
Like Bakkies, his repuation, will cause the ref to go the pocket with prejudice without seeing the true infringement. His high tackle to me was not yellow card material based on what guys like SBW has been dishing out.
16 Jun 2011, 00:28 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-332:
Reds only need a bonus pt. to seal up first position and that can be a bad or good thing for them. ‘Saders should win with something to spare.
Remember too this is where the Conferences lesser teams(except SA ,too much provincialism) too can be helpful. We will see.
SA games genuinely 50/50 or 52/48 as you refer to.
Have to be off for supper HG.
Will chat tomorrow or Fri and Sat.
Note how quiet the W.Capers have been this week?
FEAR rules their every moment.
16 Jun 2011, 00:30 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-338: Nothing wrong with Fox journalism. I reckon it beats the shy.te out of some more pretentious “news” vendors.
16 Jun 2011, 00:31 am
@ET.(ET.)-339: Yeah you’re right re conferences.
LOL at the “FEAR”
Cheers man.
16 Jun 2011, 00:33 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-334:
I would swop Sykes with Hargreaves and accept the rest as given.
You were a bit harsh on Kanko as I thought he tried hard and had 2 excellent runs one of which ended in a try being scored soon after.
Away I am now.
16 Jun 2011, 00:35 am
@ET.(ET.)-342: Yeah, I farked up with that list… Sykes should not be there… Hargreaves a definite. Have mentioned in previous posts he would make a decent Captain too. Need to def go to sleep
16 Jun 2011, 00:38 am
Outtahere… Cheers shampoodle, Skopskiet, Ilanjo… A surprising meeting of betwixt and between in the midst of Keo digital bulldust… A one time rare event horizion. Normal service resumes come the weekend.
16 Jun 2011, 00:43 am
I just want to see the Sharks put in a solid effort, if we lose then I’m out of my misery and i’ll go round to my mates house and help him cheer on his beloved Stormers. If on the other hand they dig deep, show us they have the necessary minerals and come back to Durbs with a win, my faith will be restored and i’ll start to believe that we have a chance of winning that bloody cup for once.
16 Jun 2011, 01:16 am
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-147: One in every five yarpies is HIV+ More than twice the entire population of NZ! Now THAT is diseased!
16 Jun 2011, 02:45 am
If we had to leave out players because of there past actions we would have to leave out bakkies, Butch, Bizmark, Skalk just to name a few.
16 Jun 2011, 05:06 am
@Cannon(Cannon)-347: his recent yellow card is not past actions but present actions.!!
His reputation is a liability
16 Jun 2011, 07:31 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-338:
your opinions unfortunately “lack integrity” after years of whinging about referees, that didnt, you fraud.
16 Jun 2011, 07:40 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-264:
karma karm karma
CHAMELEON
you come and go’ooooooooooooooooo
you come AND go’oooooooooooooooooooooo !!!
you’ll be delighted to know that ‘rugby conversation’ broke out here momentarily in your absence, like it always does. Luckily we can all predict your absences now and can plan for them like a school picnic.
20 Jun 2011, 14:05 pm
In your dreams – Butch is a liability and will only loose us matches. It is not just one bad tackle but a long history of bad tackles. The best fly half in the country is Peter Grant but obviously the selectors and P. de V. don’t like him. He will in all probability win the final of the Super Rugby for the Stormers.
23 Jun 2011, 11:47 am
the only winning bet on Butch is that he’ll get yellow carded. Lambie has shown in his past 2 matches head to head against Butch & Morne the imposter Steyn that he’s the no.1.
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