Januarie quits Boks, WP
24 Jun 2011
Ricky Januarie has announced his immediate retirement from international rugby on Friday.
The 29-year-old scrumhalf, who played in 47 Tests for the Springboks and 93 Super Rugby games for the Lions (43) and Stormers (50), has withdrawn himself from South Africa’s provisional World Cup squad.
He was also released from his contract with Western Province, which will allow him to join French club Lyon once the Stormers’ Super Rugby campaign concludes.
‘I’ve had a great run in South African rugby and have some fantastic memories but the time has come to move on,’ said Januarie. ‘Lyon have offered me a new beginning and I want to concentrate all my efforts on helping them in their first season in the French Top 14.’
‘Ricky and I chatted and he knew where he stood in our Rugby World Cup plans,’ added Bok head coach Peter de Villiers. ‘He has reached the stage in his career where he wants to move on and there was no reason to stand in his way.
‘He has produced some memorable moments over the years and his match-winning try against New Zealand in Dunedin will be remembered as long as the Springboks play.’
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24 Jun 2011, 15:30 pm
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-149: It’s just your lack of style man. Most of the guys on here didn’t want Ricky in the team and are happy that he can’t be picked now.
But it’s not his fault that he was picked, and he DID provide some great performances, and not just one try. So there is no need to sh-it all over they guy like you’ve been doing. Nobody deserves comments like that, nevermind their playing record.
24 Jun 2011, 15:32 pm
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-149:
When he went to Ospreys the coaching staff loved him and wanted him to stay past his loan date.
24 Jun 2011, 15:34 pm
Ricky should have fcuked off overseas 2 seasons ago. His price would have been much higher after he fluked it in Dunedin. Good riddance.
24 Jun 2011, 15:41 pm
Adios Ricky.
Never been a fan, never will be but cheers anyways to Ricky. May good food follow you in France.
Maybe this will open up a gap for some new talent, problem is Div could’nt spot talent even it sat in front of him kakking on his North Stars….
24 Jun 2011, 15:49 pm
Go well, Rickster. You were very good when you were on top of your game. The fact that you did not take up that much space on Keo this year , especially while on tour, showed that you were playing well. Now, you just have to help Stormers to win the Super rugby title and you can go out on a high.
Enjoy France.
PS: It would be interesting to see who the POC in the Bok team is to be lambasted here on Keo now that Ricky is there no more.
2006: it was Habana
2007: JPP (until his try saving tackle)
2008: Chilliboy
2009: Adi
2010: Ricky
2011: ???
Any takers?
24 Jun 2011, 15:50 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-154: So that means there were no new Springboks chosen since 2007? Riaan Viljoen ring a bell? Ashley Johnson? Aplon? JDJ? Beast? Ok the first two never played for the Boks yet but were chosen to EOYT 2009.
24 Jun 2011, 15:52 pm
@nama1(nama1)-155:
Sorry, JPP was also the villain in 2008. World Cup babbelas they called it back then.
24 Jun 2011, 15:53 pm
@nama1(nama1)-155: Seems JDJ is starting to have a look-in to that title. Though I think it might be Elton.
24 Jun 2011, 15:58 pm
@LightZone(LightZone)-156: We can debate the ones he did’nt choose for the rest of the afternoon as there will always be those for and against. A guy like Sarel just puts the spotlight on Div’s inabilities regarding selections among others
24 Jun 2011, 15:59 pm
@nama1(nama1)-155: John for sure!!!
24 Jun 2011, 16:00 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-154:
Some talent spotted by PdV in his reign as coach.
15. Aplon; Kirchner
14.
13.
12. Juan de Jongh
11. Mvovo; Bjorn Basson
10. Morne Steyn
9. Francois Hougaard
8.
7. Willem Alberts; Flo; Dewalt Potgieter
6. Heinrich Brussow; Steggies
5. Andries Bekker; Hargreaves
4. Flip v/d Merwe
3.
2. Adrian Strauss
1. Beast
Fill in the blanks.
Question:
Will the next coach be accused of using “PdV’s players” if his core group consist mostly of the players mentioned above? Something that I’m sure will happen.
24 Jun 2011, 16:04 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-160:
John ain’t no POC or quota, is he?
He is just a Bok player out of form.
…like Spies.
24 Jun 2011, 16:05 pm
@nama1(nama1)-161: Most of those where in the making pre Div but I get what you’re saying. Unfortunately as with most things Div will be looked upon as the guy who ‘forced’ certain selections.
Now, one can argue that all coaches are guilty of that to an extent but the Ricky/Div love affair was just a joke to be honest.
24 Jun 2011, 16:07 pm
@nama1(nama1)-162: Spies is another selection that I cannot understand, and I am a Bulls supporter in case you’re wondering.
24 Jun 2011, 16:09 pm
@nama1(nama1)-161: These are only the ones who were capped. There are others who were not capped but did tour. That’s also spotting a talent.
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-159: The non-selection of someone where there clearly is a over-supply does not show lack of talent-spotting. He did mention quite a few names of those who were unlucky not to have been chosen yet. Two words…TEAM DYNAMICS
24 Jun 2011, 16:10 pm
@LightZone(LightZone)-165: No ways bud,thats a kak argument and you know it
24 Jun 2011, 16:14 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-166: HEhe don’t be silly. So when we have FDP, Ruan and Hougaard as scrumhalves currently who have all proven themselves at TEST level we have to look at ANOTHER player to fill what gap?? Don’t see any counter from your side other than saying it’s a kak argument.
24 Jun 2011, 16:18 pm
@LightZone(LightZone)-156:
And Earl Rose
24 Jun 2011, 16:21 pm
@nama1(nama1)-161: why is there no LAMBIE in your post? are you a hater?
24 Jun 2011, 16:23 pm
@nama1(nama1)-161: My wife, who is not the greatest rugby expert, also spotted those players. But yes, the next coach will use most of those players, and some of his own. It’s called common sense.
24 Jun 2011, 16:30 pm
@willievz(willievz)-168: Who, although talented, messed with his own talent thus was dropped.
24 Jun 2011, 16:30 pm
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-170: typical, nobody credits straueli for “discovering” any of the players jake used, but it is “jake’s team”
i know markies had some thing to say about that!
Markies claims glory for Bok 2004 title
29 Aug 2006
Andre Markgraaff has claimed to be the architect of the Springboks 2004 Vodacom Tri Nations championship-win. Not Jake White.
Despite the fact that the Boks won the tournament on bonus points, thanks mainly to Percy Montgomery’s goalkicking that earned them points for losing within seven in Australia and New Zealand, Markgraaff told the Cape Times rugby writer Stephen Nell that the tournament was not won because of White.
“I spent two, three years of my life working on structures for South African rugby. They won the Tri-Nations for South Africa (in 2004), not Jake White.”
Markgraaff, to whom SARU president Regan Hoskins has turned to assist White, said he was not sure if he wanted to meet with White. So we’re off to a fantastic start here.
“I’ll have to consider whether I can go to a forum whre he will be present. He knows what he did to me with his letter-writing and that is still fresh in my memory … He has a lot of apologies to make about what he did to me and South African rugby.”
Markgraaff claimed the technical committee, which he chaired, to be a fantastic thing. He blamed White and former president Brian van Rooyen when the committee was disbanded.
24 Jun 2011, 16:35 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-172: Rugby is the same as politics and business. When a new President or CEO takes over, they don’t fire everyone and start over. They use the ones they believe can do the best from what is handed over, and introduce a few they believe are better.
24 Jun 2011, 16:41 pm
Well hey maybe John Smit could swallow his pride and take a page out of Januaries book, when its time to go, its time to go.. Januarie was a great player up until the beginning of 2009, infact in 2008 he was so good for the Stormers and WP, he had a good run of games in last years currie cup play offs and a few this year. His problem post 2010 was inconsistency, but hes done well out of rugby and served the springboks well, noone can doubt that. Good luck to him in Lyon..
24 Jun 2011, 17:24 pm
@willievz(willievz)-124: Good analysis. Hard for me to argue with most of what you say. I just have this nagging feeling that in a tight game, where tactics decide the outcome, he might come up short. If he gets a chance and proves me wrong, I’ll be forced to eat my words.
When I see Sarel, I see a very good player, but I just don’t see a test quality player. I’d much more invest in Schreuder, the WP lad, who has this test quality about him. He might not be ready to play test rugby just at the moment, but given a couple of seasons in super rugby, he could be the business.
24 Jun 2011, 17:29 pm
@nama1(nama1)-162: **** he´s the definition of quota.
24 Jun 2011, 17:30 pm
Well done Ricky – you did the honourable thing – now why cant Habana and Smit do the same?
24 Jun 2011, 17:32 pm
Too many class scrummies standing in his way at provincial and international level.
His manager must have talked him into taking the EUROS before he gets too obese.
24 Jun 2011, 17:35 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-177: Actually it seems as if Habana is getting closer to his usual standard. I’m no Habana supporter either.
24 Jun 2011, 17:36 pm
At 9 you cannot hide…you either are fit or you are not….there is no place in any team for a slow scrummie.
24 Jun 2011, 18:12 pm
PdV must be feeling now he has lost a true friend, and it’s mutually inclusived
Ditto AC
24 Jun 2011, 18:17 pm
Januarie at his peak was the best physical/defensive scrummie the world has ever seen.No scrummie had a much impact on defensive strategies employed as he did.His ability to employ rush defense on inside channels ,d especially on pivots/halfback axis was a unique skill that hasn’t been replicated.Around the fringes and darting he was excellent as well.Never the best tactical kicker or strategist but when he was picked that wasn’t his job.He was world class at his peak.You don’t play 47 tests for the Boks if you weren’t.You look at 40 plus Boks and he belongs in a special group indeed.3rd most capped 9 in Bok colours of all time.
Last 2 yrs weren’t his best but Dunedin was bigger than RWC 07.Yeah believe that.
24 Jun 2011, 19:11 pm
Go well in Lyon,Ricki.
Just want to say that it takes guts to announce your retirement just before a WC. And you had that in spades.
24 Jun 2011, 20:02 pm
@wpjoulekkading(wpjoulekkading)-151: I agree. i like januarie. he was a very good player back in the day. thats why i feel so bad seeing him so badly out of shape and playing so badly. i just wish someone could push him to keep his standards up. i was against him playing for south africa over the last three years or so but i was not happy to see him like this. he has so much real potential. an in form januarie would be my first choice over du preez against new zealand! but we do not have that option anymore. januarie you have yourself to blame!!! fekkin shame man.
24 Jun 2011, 20:03 pm
Good bye Ricky, I hope you have a wonderful time, and make loads of money . I enjoyed you as a player as I thought you very gutsy (and I don’t mean the telytubby part).
24 Jun 2011, 20:19 pm
Keo – you are a disrespectful moron for tweeting what you did about Ricky. He came from abject poverty and achieved astonishing things in his career, including single-handedly giving the Boks their first ever win in Dunedin in a game that looked lost. You do nothing but make consistently incorrect and opinionated predictions and ludicrous recommendations (Butch James for the Bok flyhalf? WTF?), and pretend to be a guru. And what is more, you know damn well (and I say this as a DA-voting whitey) that the abuse of Ricky is racial. It stems from reflex white antipathy towards coloureds who aren’t jocular and obedient. So why would you participate in it? Moron.
24 Jun 2011, 20:30 pm
@pierre(pierre)-186: Geez that must’ve been some bad stuff he said. I don’t do twitter.
24 Jun 2011, 20:44 pm
@pierre(pierre)-186:
One hundred thousand slaps on your back for being so direct, so forthright and so blatantly honest.
Sheer arrogance and blissful selfishness gets most to act so reflexly as they are so comfortable.
These quoted sentences below are the equivalent of two powerful atom bombs shattering their myths of total diisregard for their fellow human beings.
” And what is more, you know damn well (and I say this as a DA-voting whitey) that the abuse of Ricky is racial. It stems from reflex white antipathy towards coloureds who aren’t jocular and obedient. ”
All power to you.
24 Jun 2011, 20:47 pm
@pierre(pierre)-186: stems from reflex white antipathy towards coloureds who aren’t jocular and obedient.
That is a terrible and strange thing to say and that the abuse of Ricky has been racial, I do not agree, so many try to make race issues when some times a tree is just a tree.
24 Jun 2011, 20:52 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-189: It’s always difficult to discern racism. One should always be on the outlook to determine whether racism (or cultural bias) is really intended. I would hate to think that a respected journalist (yeah yeah I know) like Mark Keohane would allow himself to utter racist remarks be it intentional or otherwise.
24 Jun 2011, 21:11 pm
@LightZone(LightZone)-190: mark keohane is a low-life white piece of trash.
24 Jun 2011, 21:12 pm
@LightZone(LightZone)-190:
Those to whom it has been directed to most of their lives have no difficulty in clearly discerning and exposing it because it has been so caustic for so long.
Consider this case where a Ph.D. from Potch. U. comes to work at UCT med.school via a university in Belgium and because he does not condone an undergraduate’s community spirit and activism one day takes the front page of the C. Times which had impoverished ‘squatters siiting close to burning shacks, and says to this student (mixed race) you are so different from those fools. Fortunately I witnessed this and sorted him out pronto and exposed him in the next Friday dept. meeting.
Understand too that it is not only the reality that has to be considered but the perception that arises in the minds of others.
24 Jun 2011, 21:32 pm
@ET.(ET.)-192: You don’t have to tell me that. You should know how back in the day when the K-word was used almost as a term of endearment and today we still have the older folk using the same term without any malice. The word in isolation might cause untold harm to that person but when intent is investigated no racism is discerned.
Obviously a silly example to illustrate a point that sometimes context and intent is as important as what is said. It is not difficult for one who is/was exposed to this for decades to easily, even instinctively, spot a racist but one should beware of just branding anything racist.
24 Jun 2011, 22:23 pm
@LightZone(LightZone)-193: i hardly ever seen real racists called out. vast majorirty of the time innocent people are called racists…. BY RACISTS!!! this generation is dumb to the core i tell you. i made an illustration once that was called racist because i had a blonde german fekk!!! the word racist gets thrown around so easily that nobody who uses it knows what it really is hehehe. oh well, thats life.
24 Jun 2011, 22:37 pm
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-170:
So you are saying that PdV had common sense when he used the like of JS, VM, Bakkies, Schalk, Danie, FdP, JdV, JF, Habana, JPP, etc when he started his tenure as Bok coach?
… or did he use another coaches’ (JW’s) horses to pull his carriage?
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-189:
Now that is one of the most truest comments about Ricky that I’ve ever read.
Pity you did not put it forward when the Ricky bashing was on its highest point.
You did not ever see that kind of abuse thrown the way at Spies, WO, or even JS at their weakest in the Bok team.
At the end of the day, Ricky’s COLOUR, yes his COLOUR, was the main factor for all the abuse that he had to cop.
No ****** doubt about that.
24 Jun 2011, 22:41 pm
@LightZone(LightZone)-193:
“You should know how back in the day when the K-word was used almost as a term of endearment and today we still have the older folk using the same term without any malice. ”
TOTAL AND UTTER KAK. NO DEBATE/ CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS NEEDED.
Go educate yourself about the use of the word again, please.
24 Jun 2011, 22:47 pm
Calling somebody a K…. or H….. as a term of endearment?
Hoe the freakin fu.k can you still believe that s.hit?
24 Jun 2011, 22:47 pm
The first part of his career he was one of the best scrumhalfs in the world, in the second part, the second biggest quota in the springboks history (behind Ralepelle).
Good luck in Lyon Ricky, but dont forget the french are no racists so you wont play only cause you are black
24 Jun 2011, 22:55 pm
@Markel77(Markel77)-198:
So it will also be true to say that in “the first part of their careers they were amongst the best hookers/8th men in the world, in the second part, the second biggest quota’s in the springboks history”….talking about John Smit and Spies.
….not even mentioning WO….
…..but dont forget the french are no racists so you wont play only cause you are WHITE…..if you ain’t good enough you’re not gonna play….finnish and klaar.
24 Jun 2011, 23:05 pm
Agree with you, so: Pierre John and Wynand the european coaches are no racists so you wont play in Leicester, Munster and Toulouse only cause you are white.
Ricky, Chili and Adi the portuguese coaches arent racists so you wont play in Asociacion Lisboa do Rugby only cause you are blacks
JAJAJAJAJA
Go Sharks vamos tiburoneeeeeeeeees
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