Stormers guilty of unnecessary gamble
30 Jun 2011
JON CARDINELLI says that by adopting an overly defensive mindset the Stormers run the risk of becoming predictable and thus increasingly beatable in Saturday’s semi-final at Newlands.
On Wednesday, Allister Coetzee tried to justify Conrad Jantjes’s selection at fullback. The Stormers’ coach stated that Jantjes was a good defender and a sound tactical kicker. He said that in a territorial battle at a rain-ravaged Newlands, Jantjes could have an important role to play.
On the basis of Jantjes’s form, I’d argue that Coetzee’s faith in the player as a fine positional fullback and great line-kicker is misplaced. I’d also argue that the alternative, Gio Aplon, is just as capable of playing a tactical kicking game, and that starting Aplon at fullback will give the Stormers more attacking, counter-attacking and kicking options.
But the Stormers seem determined to stick to an overly defensive approach. They seem determined to limit their options and favour reactionary tactics. Some will call it conservative, safe and necessary given the expected conditions and pressure of a semi-final. I call it putting all your eggs into one basket.
While the Stormers will need to be sharp on defence, they will also need to take whatever scoring opportunities come their way. Defence will be important, but they can’t stonewall the Crusaders for 80 minutes. There needs to be some variation, or at least the prospect of an attack.
Jantjes has struggled to impose himself on attack since returning from a serious leg injury last year. The opposition don’t recognise him as a threat, and are content to kick on him and wait for the error or the predictable kick return.
It’s a tactic that worked for the Bulls in their victory at Newlands three weeks ago. They kicked relentlessly on Jantjes and Bryan Habana, and when the Stormers’ pair didn’t lose the ball, they inevitably turned it over when they attempted to counter-attack.
Most teams will be wary about kicking on Aplon. While he has done well on the wing for both the Stormers and South Africa, he is better utilised at fullback. On attack, he can come into the backline on both sides of the field. On the counter-attack, he can turn a poor kick into a try at the other end. And in a territorial exchange, Aplon’s underrated left boot can earn the Stormers valuable metres.
There’s nothing special about Janjtes on attack and nothing imposing about his kicking game either. The Stormers’ decision to play him at 15 will be cheered by the Crusaders, as this will allow the visitors to employ their own pressure tactics.
The Crusaders will attempt to pressure the Stormers’ back three with a good kick chase or alternatively wait for Jantjes to kick the ball back. Since the Cantabrians have an imposing defensive system of their own and a superior halfback combination that boast all the necessary attacking skills as well match-winning tactical-kicking accuracy, they have every right to expect that this approach will yield the desired results.
Coetzee argues that if the Stormers’ overly defensive approach doesn’t work, there is still the fall-back option of switching to all-out attack in the second half. In that event, Deon Fourie and Schalk Brits will come off the bench, and Aplon will move to fullback.
But what Coetzee fails to remember is that the Crusaders are particularly good at punishing desperate teams. They crept ahead of the Sharks through the goal-kicking of Dan Carter, and once they had established an eight-point lead, the Sharks were forced to take chances. Kieran Read intercepted a wild pass from Pat Lambie, and from there the Crusaders continued to feed off mistakes caused by the visitors’ increasing desperation.
The Stormers would have been better served to start Aplon at fullback against the Crusaders. They will still be favourites, but starting Jantjes at fullback means the pack and the halfbacks will have to work doubly hard to ensure his deficiencies are not exposed to a game-costing degree.
210 Comments
30 Jun 2011, 05:34 am
Its a semi final Defense wins semi finals
30 Jun 2011, 05:38 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-1: Ja, maybe, Coach, but where do poephols like Jantjes and Habana fit into this sterling defensive plan?
30 Jun 2011, 05:38 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-1:
Coach is ‘n draak!!!!
But you are spot on, JC seems to forget it is finals time and you don’t need bonus points, you don’t get a second chance. Flashy rugby gets you knowhere.
30 Jun 2011, 05:41 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-3:
Dankie ek se Whats a Draak I failed Afrikaans
@kwas(kwas)-2:
Two experianced players at some point Habana is going to to have a good game
30 Jun 2011, 05:48 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-4:
Pointing out you forgot to put the compulsary DRAGON in you first up post…
30 Jun 2011, 05:52 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-5:
Oh ok sorry
30 Jun 2011, 06:11 am
just read now that Stormers are seeking Sanzar permission for Nic Groom to be made eligible for the game Sat…..indicating Duvenhage will probably miss out!
This is a major problem as Duvenhage was also the stand by 10 in case of any problems with Grant.
Earl Rose may well also be called up if Duvenhage confirmed out.
30 Jun 2011, 06:18 am
As for this Aplon at 15 question……it is a quandary of sorts….
Aplon at 15 does allow the inclusion of the 3 bok centres in the run on 15….but it appears AC wants the JDV…JF combo to start this game.
I am glad I dont have to make the call to be honest, there is a 30 % chance of some rain as well….this will nullify an overly ball in hand approach ….
Big calls …..tough I tell you….
Brendan Venter saying Schalk Brits the most talented player he has ever coached or seen!
Big praise indeed.
30 Jun 2011, 06:30 am
Gotta love these keo guys determination to trash everything… Seems they will oppose whatever is said or done… just because…
Alister Coetzee is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t…
So in the esteemed opinion of one Jon Cardinelli… the stormers are guilty of an unnecessary gamble… by returning to their most widely acknowledged strength among rugby lovers and experts… their defence… the best in Super Rugby for the past two seasons…?
If Alister Coetzee had announced that the Stormers were going to play a loose, run at all costs… from anywhere… game to run the Crusaders off their feet and say they want to score 10 tries in the semi… would JC consider that a more reasonable, less of a gamble plan for a Super Rugby semi-final…?
But playing to their acknowledged, and statistically confirmed, strength is now an unnecessary gamble…??
Go figure…!
30 Jun 2011, 06:40 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-1:
That is true most of the time but the Crusaders will still look to attack and score plenty of tries.
30 Jun 2011, 06:43 am
@grant10(grant10)-8:
Brendon Venter is spot on! Unfortunately a player with flair, skill and brains is not readily accepted in South Africa. We tend to see the bash and carry as a skill. He would walk into most world teams – just not SA as they have the great Smit (not).
30 Jun 2011, 06:48 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-11:
Most talented player he has ever seen, thats a very very big call don’t you think for a guy who really is a nobody in world rugby.
30 Jun 2011, 06:48 am
@ufo(ufo)-9: well said!
30 Jun 2011, 06:55 am
how come noone is talking about travel fatigue re the crusaders?
30 Jun 2011, 07:00 am
Thanks Transie…
Off to work…
Later…!
30 Jun 2011, 07:04 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-14:
Thats all we heard last week.
30 Jun 2011, 07:05 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-14:
It is an excuse best used by the losing team…
But having said that, if anybody for one minute thinks it will not impact the Crusaders then they are bonkers. This is at best a 50/50 game swinging the Stormers way because of the travel factor.
If things go accoring to plan we will again talk about this when the Stormers pack their bags for Brisbane…
30 Jun 2011, 07:06 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-12:
Brits not Venter.
30 Jun 2011, 07:26 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-18: Brendon Venter no lightweight my friend.@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-11:
Spot on Sir.@ufo(ufo)-9: yes….easy to be critical when you are not in charge and tasked with making these ‘ life and death ‘ decisions…
30 Jun 2011, 07:35 am
We are going to run the Stormers off the park – 1st half will be tight and then we will unleash – the Crusade must go on !!!
30 Jun 2011, 07:36 am
Will we have another Ryan article to counter this one?
It feels like the guys are just churning words at the moment.
“lets write every possible permutation of article on the Stormers…..they must defend….they must attack…..too conservative….conservative wins the day…..pick the youngsters…..pick experience…..”
Did I miss anything?
30 Jun 2011, 07:39 am
I see the all-knowing Brendan Venter says people in the UK make Chuck Norris jokes about Schalk Brits due to his off the charts talent and ability to do anything.
Henceforth I shall refer to the man as Chuck Norris everytime I post about him. As in: Chuck Norris just got tackled out of his socks, Chuck Norris just got flattened by SBW and Chuck Norris is the shortest eighthman in world rugby.
30 Jun 2011, 07:39 am
the big and most influential factor Sat may well end up being the weather…..
Then it is up to the tactical out of hand kicking of the 9 and 10 s .
Definite advantage Saders
30 Jun 2011, 07:40 am
@grant10(grant10)-19:
Agreed, but Brits the best ever?
30 Jun 2011, 07:42 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-22: Mr Sunshine.
Bored are we?
Car all shiny and polsished…..cupboards all stocked from the Mall shopping?
Seen all the Sat movies?
Now its try and be critical of stormers every move and players?
what your bulls doing this weekend?
training for cc?
30 Jun 2011, 07:42 am
The point is that Aplon is no weaker on defence than Janjies and Aplon offers more on attack. I like the impact players on the bench, it should be interesting to see how they impact the game in the last 20 when the Crusaders will clearly have lead in their legs – mouth watering stuff.
Prediction – Stormers by 7. Carter to have a dreadfull day, which is not uncommon for him at Newlands..under pressure
30 Jun 2011, 07:44 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-24:
I tell you 1 thing…..I would rather have Schalk Brits than that soft show pony Spies any day of the week….
Old shorty has more heart in his thumb than the cowardly Spies has in his entire damn body!
30 Jun 2011, 07:46 am
@Honkie(Honkie)-26:
The last time the Crusaders played at Newlands they surged home in the last 20, there will be no lead this time around either.
30 Jun 2011, 07:46 am
@stew(stew)-20: If the Saders want to have any say in this game they must do the business in the 1st half. 2nd half they will feel the fatigue…..
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-22: I’ll bet you will agree with Venter if Schalk played for the Bulls right?
30 Jun 2011, 07:48 am
Thing is, and I’ve always enjoyed watching Schalk play, is that you re not going to really be able to judge his play this weekend, as he is not allowed to play at hooker, so we won;t see if his scrummaging or line out play his improved.
We already know about his ability with the ball in hand.
Should make for some good entertainment of he comes on though.
30 Jun 2011, 07:48 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-24: certainly Brits is an ideal player to have coming on in the last 30 minutes for this [particular fixture, given the Saders travel.
It is a gamble worth taking.
I saw a lot of the Saracens games this year….as well as the final.
In that final Brits walked on water…..colossus….
Compared to Plod and Spies it was like night and day.
some bitter bulls on this site forgetting how the rest of the country got fully behind the bulls in previous knockouts….
but fark em i say…FARKEM!
30 Jun 2011, 07:49 am
What a semi final to look forward to, all the planning, analysing is done, squads announced, now it’s all about execution of game plans, referee calls and the proverbial bounce of the ball.
Sides evenly balanced, (slight ) home ground advantage
, travel factor and I believe a slightly greater desire to win will see the Stormers home.
I’m going with Stormers by 9 !!!
30 Jun 2011, 07:50 am
@grant10(grant10)-27:
Have to be honest here never really heard of the guy, Spies will be your number 8 in NZ he’ll get bogged down in the mud and be marginalized by Read again.
30 Jun 2011, 07:53 am
Brendan Venter says statistically the Saracens lineout was the best in the tournament.
Plod misses his jumpers just as much as anyone.
His supposed accuracy is a myth as well.
1 st throw on Sat he virtually gifted the Saders a try [ helds up ] after another overthrow.
Last year gave away 2 test trys vs australia and wales as well with his ‘ accurate ‘ throws.
Plod is no more than a con job.
But doesent fool me.
Venter makes some great points in his arcticle on news 24.
He is light years ahead of the 3 stooges , an astute rugby brain….
30 Jun 2011, 07:54 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-33: not sure about that….seems PDV smelling the coffee….lots of talk of a loose combo of schalk Burger at 8, J Smith at 7 and Brussow at opensider
30 Jun 2011, 07:57 am
@grant10(grant10)-31:
Ok will be interested to see how he goes, I would have thought the whole of SA would get behind your boys this weekend?
30 Jun 2011, 07:59 am
@grant10(grant10)-35:
That would be a much better combo, any news on Smith’s rehab what a great player he is?
30 Jun 2011, 08:03 am
I will put Alberts, Brusow and Burger (8) – what power is that ?? Can Smith come back from another injury, will he last? Alberts is pure power, I am amazed that he picked up his first injury against the Crusaders considering how brutal his game is.
30 Jun 2011, 08:04 am
Many Singletons last night at a mates place (birthday), no hangover this morning…………..marvelous stuff, !!!!!! …………go out and get it !!!
30 Jun 2011, 08:11 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-39: Well if we win on Saturday I’ll be nursing the mother of all hangovers come Sunday!
Mind you, I’ll be probably be doing that if they lose too…….
30 Jun 2011, 08:13 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-40:
Aint that the truth !!!
30 Jun 2011, 08:14 am
One question guys can anyone tell me when hanana’s contract with WP ends?
30 Jun 2011, 08:15 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-39:
Lol, is that single women or single drinks?
How do you pick the game on Saturday?
30 Jun 2011, 08:17 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-43:
LOL !!! I am a married man
Stormers by 9 !
30 Jun 2011, 08:18 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-36: some bitter bulls….
Sharks fans showing honour….
Dont understand Bulls attitudes…
30 Jun 2011, 08:18 am
@seabiscuit(seabiscuit)-42: end of super 15 this season
30 Jun 2011, 08:20 am
@Honkie(Honkie)-38: Juan Smith is a banker at the back of the lineout…
the others not so.
30 Jun 2011, 08:21 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-37: apparently he is training again…..he will need to play at least a couple of games in tri nations i guess ….if he is to be able to confirm readiness for wc that is…
30 Jun 2011, 08:23 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-44:
I hope you are right about the score.
That is the rugby score
I wonder whether they are going to allow Koster on Saturday to play his natural game (and keep Schalk out of the backline) or whether they will expect him to try and play like Vermeulen .
I guess if it is wet and slow we are going to miss Vermeulen even more.
30 Jun 2011, 08:24 am
I couldn’t agree more with this article. We need to get rid of this “conservatism” in our rugby.
This Jantjies selection is only one example of many situations in SA rugby where we opted for the “tried and tested” or “safe option” or whatever you may call it…It’s a whole lot of BULL if you ask me… yes Jantjies will be steady, but he won’t win a game for you either!
In these tight games, it can only take one moment of brilliance or a line break that will win you the game. Now we nullify our best attacking weapon by playing him on the wing and we have our best centre prospect in years on the bench. And these guys aren’t exactly suspect on defensive either.
We just don’t embrace natural flair like the Ausies on NZ do.
We’re playing right in the hands of the Crusaders.
30 Jun 2011, 08:32 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-22: hahahaha you’re such a hater
30 Jun 2011, 08:40 am
Groom will be on bench Saturday.
30 Jun 2011, 08:43 am
@grant10(grant10)-45:
what’s not to understand?
the stormers supporters are mostly all w/nkers….that they are in a semi turns them all into herculean w/nkers. Is it no wonder half the newlands stadium usually support the y “other” okes?
and then of course…the stormers management rush to get an overseas player into the side from nowhere. Same as the sharks. Everyone generally gets what they deserve somewhere along the line.
this should be a gimme of a game for the stormers.
this will be the 4th time the crusaders are coming over for a semi in the past 4/5 years. they have yet to come within 12 points of the home side(bulls) in the past.
30 Jun 2011, 08:46 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-49:
Vemeulen not being available is going to have a significant impact, especially with the defensive game plan we are talking.
Koster is an adequate replacement though, I do hope he is given a bit of a license to play his natural attacking game !!
But expect pretty much the same as we have seen all season !!
30 Jun 2011, 08:47 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-53: Shame boet. Get a life ok?
It’s not our fault your team is kuk this year..
30 Jun 2011, 08:48 am
I remember Britz from his time with the stormers in the past.
couldn’t throw, couldn’t tackle,couldn’t pass,definately couldn’t scrum, needed directions to find a ruck.
sidestep and speed off the mark, he was a legend at.
So basically, he is a hooker that needs a hard as fck props and locks.
30 Jun 2011, 08:51 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-55:
were still good enough to turn over your soft twats 3 weeks ago at your home ground.
not exactly championship form is it now?
expect the crusaders to win this one. They are in better form and dickenson isn’t there to blow richie off the park for your guys..
30 Jun 2011, 08:52 am
I have no idea why jantjies has been selected either.
30 Jun 2011, 08:53 am
Don’t think the Jantjies move is a clever one. Would have sticked with Gio on fullback. But yeah , the coach have the final say. Still believe we can win this one. All of a sudden Richie is back after spending most of the season relexing and getting himself ready for the 3N and worldcup. Stormers go go go go !!!!!
30 Jun 2011, 08:54 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-54: One or two key omissions like Dewalt, Jaque and Duanne and we will really struggle to implement that game plan though
Jaque for me is one of the absolute key men, along with Peter and Andries. The 3 of them are so critical to the successful execution of the strategy that not having one will make a significant enough impact to sway the game IMO.
Much like Porra, Steyn and Victor for the Bulls.
Going to be tough if Jaque doesn’t make it. He’s the real backline general in the team!
30 Jun 2011, 08:55 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-53: @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-56: couldnt scrum…couldnt win a lineout…
Sounds like you describing the bulls 2011.season.
You bitter fool.
Outta here
30 Jun 2011, 08:59 am
@grant10(grant10)-61:
doesn’t say much for your lineout and scrum does it?
the bulls would have promoted one of their own from the ranks…not got in some bloke from the uk for a knockout game.
it’s why I’m confident the bulls will be back in relatively quick time.
coaching restructure……tick
playing talent……….tick
30 Jun 2011, 09:01 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-62:
And recruiting some young backline talent from the WP.
30 Jun 2011, 09:05 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-60:
You 100% right !!!!,
Most teams have certain key individuals that make a huge difference, again this is where quality of depth and the trust in the squad system comes in……………….. the side that can fill gaps left by star/key players with other players of almost equal quality are obviously the sides that will do well in the competition. The saders have been very successful at this !!
What is the latest on Jaques injury ??
30 Jun 2011, 09:06 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-62:
Please tell me, how many of the Bulls players actually come from the Western Province?
Playing talent – yeah, right.
30 Jun 2011, 09:06 am
@pakslae(pakslae)-63:
well, so long as your coaches keep selecting okes like januarie and jantjies all season long…..they will be happy to go.
30 Jun 2011, 09:07 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-66:
and even okes from overseas from nowhere…….
30 Jun 2011, 09:07 am
@pakslae(pakslae)-63:
Please do !!!!!! so much talent here we can’t contract all of them !!!
Turn them into superstars and then send them back home…………..thanks !!!
30 Jun 2011, 09:08 am
to put it into context…….had the cheetahs needed a player for a one off game, they probably would have pulled him in from the grey 1st 15.
30 Jun 2011, 09:09 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-62:
The “some bloke from the UK” went to school in Stellenbosch and played for Maties/WP/Stormers – not exactly a foreigner.
Why does it worry you so much that they brought him back to sit on the bench- if he is as bad as you are making him out to be he won’t make any positive contribution and the Stormers will be worse off (might lose) and you will be happy?
30 Jun 2011, 09:10 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-65:
playing talent, WP always had enough of.
coaching and selection scrupples they have always be short of.
30 Jun 2011, 09:12 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-66:
Yeah, just don’t fool yourself or give the impression that all the talented players coming through the bulls ranks are actually home grown.
As a stormer supporter, I’m glad Heyneke’s back at the Bulls, it’s good for SA rugby to have a guy of his pedigree involved again.
Just stop the arrogance dude!
30 Jun 2011, 09:16 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-70:
oh, don’t get me wrong, WP can go ahead and select who they like.
that’s if they want to keep ******** over their own structures that they finally look to have put in place.
that particular sanzar rule is a joke though. WP have manipulated it much the same way the sharks did with michaelak.
by the way, fourie,grant,habana,van der linde,van zyl,vermuelen,jantjies and januarie are all players recruited as already seasoned proffessional.
no doubt if Johann Sadie goes to the Bulls they will turn him into an international calibre backline player.
30 Jun 2011, 09:18 am
As a humanitarian I have done much soul searching and come to the conclusion that I have to put my petty national interests aside and support the Crusaders in their year of need. It is the humane thing to do, considering all they’ve been through in 2011.
As much as it hurts me, I therefore have to shout against the Stormers this weekend.
30 Jun 2011, 09:19 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-73:
Sadie’s not going anywhere.
30 Jun 2011, 09:19 am
@pakslae(pakslae)-72:
the major difference is that most of the bulls recruitment is primarily done at school level.
30 Jun 2011, 09:21 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-67:
Magtag jy’s woes vanoggend
Some poor oke forget to salute you?
30 Jun 2011, 09:22 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-75:
maybe not, i think the bulls have enough young backs coming through. We have an army of looseforwards coming through. Young locks look an issue.
we have flip and juandre, maybe danie if he stays another season. Fudge isn’t a worldbeater in my opinion.
30 Jun 2011, 09:23 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-77:
the crack of dawn should feel free to salute the brigadiers morning glory anytime.
30 Jun 2011, 09:24 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-74: tl tl tl go you goo thing
30 Jun 2011, 09:28 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-57: I do expect the Crusaders to win this one actually. But I’ll be screaming for my guys like it’s the end of the world.
As for us soft twots, we weren’t that soft when we beat you guys at loftus earlier this year….
30 Jun 2011, 09:28 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-73:
The Stormers/Sharks did not make the rule and they have also not acted outside it – dont blame them from trying their utmost to win a competition.
I have not made any comments regarding the recruitment of the players you mentioned-it is professional sport, anybody can recruit whoever they want, I have no problem with that.
Sadie is sadly for your guys tied up for at least another year and by then he will probably be the first choice centre in the Cape with no incentive to go and live in Pretoria.
30 Jun 2011, 09:30 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-64: Not sure. Holding thumbs……..
30 Jun 2011, 09:31 am
i hope the stormers don’t go and play their borethon defensive game.
history has shown that in semis you have to get right in the crusaders face and play at tempo. Put them out of their comfort zone, make them do the tackling and make the 11000kms count in the last 20 minutes.
if the stormers sit back and let them retain possession through phases, they will not get bored like lesser teams do. They will find a way to open the defense up.
30 Jun 2011, 09:31 am
@schalk brits has got more x-factor than os(Transformation)-80: Not another one!!
30 Jun 2011, 09:33 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-81:
I also do not feel particularly confident.
The uncertainty about Fourie/Duvenhage is not helping either.
Talks are now that they are going to change the bench even further and bring Rose in to cover for Grant.
Nervous times for sure.
30 Jun 2011, 09:34 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-76:
I’m not going to bother trying to get my point across to you, it’s a Stormers article anyway.
You and the other “tool” Tacticus are so anti-WP, you’ll actually force yourselves to support the Crusaders on Saturday.
30 Jun 2011, 09:34 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-82:
you sound guilty. no they have not broken any rule…but they sure have manipulated it and it certainly is not in the “spirit” of the original rule.
a hooker playing 8?
come on
30 Jun 2011, 09:37 am
@pakslae(pakslae)-87:
yeah, it is a wp thread.
possibly an insight into how frikken annoying it is when Timotei Shampoo and Namatwat,etc…..highjack other threads with their foul mouths and name calling,ne?
30 Jun 2011, 09:37 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-79:
That’s just disgusting.
And los vir Fudge.
30 Jun 2011, 09:38 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-88:
That is one hell of a versatile hooker, just check him on Saturday.
He is even a better centre than the famous enforcer Dr Uli Schmidt used to be.
30 Jun 2011, 09:38 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-82:
how will sadie be first choice?
are devilliers,fourie, all retiring suddenly?
30 Jun 2011, 09:39 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-91:
skalk britz nor any other hooker will ever score a try like Uli did in Loftus in ’86 vs the Cavaliers.
30 Jun 2011, 09:40 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-90:
I though that play on words was very witty for the Brigadier?
30 Jun 2011, 09:41 am
I honestly don’t understand the pessimism of the Stormers’ fans.
Sure, we can moan about the Jantjes selection giving away the gameplan and reeking of conservatism and predictability, but then the other side of the coin is that most SA teams find comfort and extra confidence in having a well-defined structure and gameplan.
Ag nee a boys. Look at the positive side.
Playing at home. Against a team who has travelled half the globe.
History suggests a tough time for the Crusaders.
30 Jun 2011, 09:42 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-92:
Jean de Villiers will probably be retiring in the next year.
30 Jun 2011, 09:45 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-96:
From WP I mean, he’ll be looking to go and play overseas for two more years.
30 Jun 2011, 09:45 am
@willievz(willievz)-95:
jeah, but it is not loftus it is Newlands.
And Dickenson isn’t there to blow Richie off the park.
hardly a fortress with 3 home losses already this season.
The Crusaders look to be on a better run of form as well.
but who knows with these sort of things.
Crusaders will definately look to start well and get the crowd on the stormers backs.
Which is pretty funny in a bizzarre sort of way really.
30 Jun 2011, 09:46 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-92:
I cannot see that Jean de Villiers(30 years old already) for example will be able to keep Sadie out of the team for another season.
There is also a possibility that Jaque might go overseas after the world cup- his contract expires at the end of this season.
30 Jun 2011, 09:47 am
@willievz(willievz)-95:
Where it was an 80/20 game in favour of the Crusaders, the travel has reduced it to 60/40 in their favour.
I can see Allistair with his deer in headlights look after 60 minutes, making wholesale changes to desperately revert to a Plan B. Any plan B, as long as it replaces Plan A.
He’s already hinting at it, what with Schalk Brits, Deon Fourie etc. on the bench, ready for a “change in plan” in the second half.
Good luck to him.
30 Jun 2011, 09:49 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-99:
why not…..januarie has kept better players out, jantjies is keeping a better player out. Hell, timotei Shampoo will have you believe that Burger is keeping better players out.
30 Jun 2011, 09:50 am
Fatigue and travel won’t be a problem for the Crusaders. These guys are professional athletes and the Crusaders have been traveling during the entire Super Rugby competition so this won’t come in to play. If by any chance it does then look on the Crusaders reserves bench and see why they have players who can make an impact.
Ben Franks
Quentin Macdonald
Luke Romano
Matt Todd
Kahn Fotuali’i
Matt Berquist
Ryan Crotty
Oh, I forgot to mention the thousands of Crusaders fans to make them feel at home. : )
30 Jun 2011, 09:50 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-100:
Plan B…any Plan B so long as it replaces Plan A.
how frikken funny is that?
30 Jun 2011, 09:51 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-100:
You truly are a sour, miserable old pr*ck arent you… The whole country got behind your Blou Balle in past seasons, why? Because they were flying the SA flag. Just like the Stormers are now. Get over yourself you miserable crout.
30 Jun 2011, 09:52 am
The Bulls fans are showing their true colours here…
30 Jun 2011, 09:53 am
@Dazzler(Dazzler)-104:
You’re right. Join me for a heartwarming rendition of Kumbaya?
30 Jun 2011, 09:54 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-105:
Agreed… makes me seriously not to want to support them against overseas oppostion in the future. But fortunately I’m not a sad old c*nt like some of the Bulls fans…
30 Jun 2011, 09:54 am
The Crusaders are the royalty of super rugby, 7 titles, 2 runners up medals, 10th straight semi final daylight is second , Crusaders by 10-15.
30 Jun 2011, 09:56 am
The reality is, its going to be a cracker… hell of a tough game that could go either way. I just hope it goes the Stormers way…
30 Jun 2011, 09:57 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-108:
No one can argue with that.
The Bulls are probably joint 2nd – although the Blues might still be slightly ahead of them due to more play-off appearances?
As for the Stormers…
30 Jun 2011, 09:58 am
@kelefua(kelefua)-102:
it definately will not be as much of a factor as a side that has to travel west to east.
science has proved that.
30 Jun 2011, 09:59 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-105:
What a bunch of sour poor losers, if any NZ team was playing in the semi’s they would get the rest of the countries full support, having been to a game at Loftus before I can see where it comes from.
30 Jun 2011, 10:00 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-106:
Today, you disappoint me.
30 Jun 2011, 10:00 am
@Dazzler(Dazzler)-104:
oh what pish, the whole country certainly did not get behind the bulls.
All you need as evidence is to listen to joel stranskys commentary to realize that. Or bobby’s or matthew pierce or etc.
30 Jun 2011, 10:01 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-110:
Bulls probably second, why don’t you get behind the Stomers ( pun) and support them?
30 Jun 2011, 10:03 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-112:
New Zealand have a different setup. Your players are centrally contracted, and the teams are therefore not in such a competitive fight for survival as our teams are.
If the Crusaders win the trophy it has no detrimental effect on the Bulls. If the Stormers win it, or go through to a home final etc, then it means:
More sponorship money to the Stormers, hence more money to poach Bulls players, and less ability for the Bulls to poach Stormers players,
More gate takings for the Stormers, boosting the above point,
Probably a shift in the support of the “swing voter” supporters in the middle of the SA rugby spectrum, who simply follow winners and don’t have such a traditional attachment to a specific team. This means more supporter jersey sales and all other financial benefits associated with it, and again, boosts the Stormers at the expense of the Bulls, who currently are the only SA team to have won the Super 14.
It is far more complex than just “getting behind your country”. There is a massive strategic aspect to it.
30 Jun 2011, 10:04 am
Brig a deer. Enjoy the tennis on Saturday afternoon. heh heh heh
30 Jun 2011, 10:06 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-116:
OK
I’m convinced
On the Tacitus shopping list this weekend : one Crusaders shirt.
30 Jun 2011, 10:09 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-112:
having been to Loftus you are no doubt really bitter and jealous now.
a full house for a semi with great partizan support.
not some bloke and his dog like in auckland last week.
Oh, and what does “I can see where it comes from “…actually mean? That sounded very condecending.
Personally, I find some lunatic riding a horse dressed as a knight around a rugby field with the horse dropping poop all over the place……very weird?
it’s no wonder no side ever wins there, the opposing players spend half the game dodging poop with some fckwit kiwi ref resetting scrums over the poop 20 times a game. The home Crusaders are naturally quite used to lying in the poop which gives them a distinct advantage.
30 Jun 2011, 10:10 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-110:
What are you going to do tomorrow afternoon when most local rugby fans will be supporting the Stormers? Tick one below:
Polish your blue bull helmet
Put a new Pierre Spies poster on your wall
Do research on the Hekkies’s hurdling times
Read the autobiography of Brigadier van Zyl (the real one)
Watch tapes of the bulls from the days they were still winning competitions
All of above
30 Jun 2011, 10:13 am
@Nautigal(Nautigal)-117:
nope,I will be enjoying Craig Jouberts performance. Stormers dodn’t like him.
Quite strange,I think he is the best in Sa. So there you go.
but if he gives one penalty against the stormers Burger is going to flip sy moer.
could be some great entertainment value outside of the actual rugby on the weekend.
30 Jun 2011, 10:14 am
Stormers by 3
30 Jun 2011, 10:16 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-120:
lol, watch tapes of the bulls winning trophys?
well, that was just last year.At Loftus, against the pretenders,in the s14 final
not 10 years ago….and a meazly CC win at that against a dodgy sharks outfit.
30 Jun 2011, 10:17 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-98: @Tacitus(Deucalion)-100:
How many knockout games have teams who’ve voyaged the Indian Ocean won in Super Rugby history?
Crusaders are travel fatigued and slept in hotel rooms all year long.
Stormers had a week off and relaxed at home.
Advantage Stormers, par excellence.
30 Jun 2011, 10:17 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-122:
Hi Coach,
U still in Hawai?
Any waves today?
Saturday is going to be a baptism of fire for the future bok captain
30 Jun 2011, 10:17 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-119:
A man on a horse is far less weird than some of the “quality” folk you lot get at Loftus. Jerry Springer would be in his wonderland at Loftus.
30 Jun 2011, 10:18 am
@willievz(willievz)-124:
I can only remember the highlanders in ’99 against the stormers
30 Jun 2011, 10:18 am
Gotta laugh at these two…
For someone who takes his nick-name, rather presumptuously, from a famous Roman author… known for his boldness and wit… Tacitus-on-keo has never exhibited either attribute in all his rambling, contradictory, bitter and cowardly posts on this site…
A typical fair-weather bulls FAN… who shouts loudest when his team wins and shouts bitterly when they don’t (if he has the courage to show his face at all)…
He and sidekick TbeBrig are so *****-scared the Stormers may just win they just can’t help themselves or control the bile welling up in their throats… They resort to the lowest common denominator and fall back on insults and schoolboy humour…
Brave and wise okes these two…
They just prove that you can take the boys out of the class room… but you can’t put class into the boys…!!
Hehehe…
Win or lose… the Stormers are the best team in SA this right now… The bulls are third best… In seasons past Tac-n-Brig would tell us they would judge the Stormers over the whole season… not just over one or two games…
Well now, their chickens have come home to roost, we are the top side over the whole season and these dishonest cowards haven’t the integrity to live by their own words…
But why does that not surprise us…!!
LOL…
30 Jun 2011, 10:18 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-120: hahahaha nice one matey!
30 Jun 2011, 10:21 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-125:
Yes still here Waves are small and a bit mushy
Yeah time for Koster to step up on the big stage
I think if Skalk does his job and stays out of back line and Koster carries the ball it will be fine.
Skalk needs to put DC off his game totally
I think starting RM may not be a good idea
30 Jun 2011, 10:21 am
It is a free country, I guess you can support who you want on Saturday.
But my two pence is that supporting a team from another country playing against your countrymen is not in the national interest.
Provincialism is at the heart of SA rugby problems, and why will never be a team with an 85% + winning ratio like the ABs.
English football has the same problem, on a much larger scale. Which is partly why they fail to bring home the bacon in World Cups.
Club first, country second?
Nee kyk, ons het nog ‘n ver pad om te loop in die land.
30 Jun 2011, 10:21 am
@Dazzler(Dazzler)-126:
yeah, a lot of quality folk in the cheap seats at newlands as well.
why, just a while ago I heard some oke say this….
“jaai moer, joe ma vok visse da baai die vokken harba”
…yes, it’s true.
I think he was one of those Cape Crusader blokes to be fair.
So he could have been talking Kiwi for all I know.
30 Jun 2011, 10:22 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-127:
Yes, famous (or infamous) victory that.
The Sharks also won their semi against the Reds in Brisbane way back in 1996.
Those are the only two occasions.
30 Jun 2011, 10:24 am
@willievz(willievz)-131:
Anyone can support any team at any time I dont have a problem with that .
its when the group that is supporting a Kiwi team, boos the local home team, then I have issues with that big time
30 Jun 2011, 10:25 am
@willievz(willievz)-131:
oh come on Willie.
the Boks always come first.
just so long as the make all the bulls boks.
you see exactly the same from the sharks and stormers.
30 Jun 2011, 10:25 am
@ufo(ufo)-128: Good times
30 Jun 2011, 10:27 am
@ufo(ufo)-128:
it’s true, the stormers are top of the SA conference.
but we will take satisfaction in buggering up your lot 3 weeks ago.
30 Jun 2011, 10:27 am
In all the years I have read/blogged here, Tacitus has never had anything positive or even nice to say about the Western Cape, its people or its rugby, no matter what the situation.
Considering the massive improvement in WP rugby in the last 2 years, when compared to the last decade for example, one would think that anyone who knows and loves rugby would have to give credit where credit is due, yet nothing from Tactitus.
This hatred even goes down to the commentators it seems. If its an English commentator, then it is insinuated that there is always anti-Bulls bias involved.
This is just utterly immature, I dont know how else to describe it.
Tactitus, if you have such a bias against the Western Cape and its people, why do you even come onto this blog, considering, in your own words, this blog is nothing but a mouthpiece of WP rugby. In fact why do you even speak English then?
30 Jun 2011, 10:28 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-134:
We have a ‘group’ right here on keo booing the home team…
But I agree… let whoever support whoever…
I feel better knowing that Tac-n-Brig are not supporting the stormers… would feel kinda dirty if they did…
@Robzim(Robzim)-120:
very funny post bud…
30 Jun 2011, 10:29 am
Can someone remind me how the Crusaders team that won at Newlands earlier in the season compares to the one that the Stormers will face this weekend?
I suspect there might be a few personnel changes – and not for the worse.
30 Jun 2011, 10:29 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-136:
for sure Bud…
30 Jun 2011, 10:30 am
@ufo(ufo)-128:
no we are not at all scared of the stormers winning the s15.
the quality of rugby has been particularly poor this entire season.
It would be about right for the Stormers or some other bullsh1t side like the reds to win it.
30 Jun 2011, 10:34 am
@Dazzler(Dazzler)-126: You are hardly dazzling anybody with the kak you are talking here. Bly stil man jy is donners irriterend.
All the best to the rest of the Stormers boytjies. I am a bull in ‘murg en been’ but hey we need to to keep the spoils on this side of the world. Moer hulle hard!!!
30 Jun 2011, 10:36 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-105: why does it always have to be about colour?
30 Jun 2011, 10:36 am
@Stawm(Stawm)-138:
so you deny that Stransky,Bobby and Pierce show any bias towards the stormers or sharks when commentating on a bulls game?
for the record, I have never booed any SA side.
But I enjoy a good windup….and the thongs down in the Cape appear to be riding high up under the jeans in the cape this morning!
30 Jun 2011, 10:38 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-143:
That’s cool bud, appreciate that fact you supporting the Stormers. I always support the Bulls in situations like this… My gripe is not with all Bulls fans, only a few… i mention no names
30 Jun 2011, 10:42 am
@Dazzler(Dazzler)-146: Like the way you say ‘always’
but ja we had a kak one this year. Too little too late. Anyways all the best,
Kots oor my skoene as Richie weer n donnerse trofee vashou………..
30 Jun 2011, 10:43 am
@schalk brits has got more x-factor than os(Transformation)-144:
Transie, is that you, madala?
30 Jun 2011, 10:44 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-147:
When it comes to flying the SA flag, I ALWAYS support the SA team… (i do find it harder to support the Sharks though i wont lie!
)
30 Jun 2011, 10:44 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-119:
“The home Crusaders are naturally quite used to lying in the poop which gives them a distinct advantage.”
Ag nee man Brig. This is low, even for you.
30 Jun 2011, 10:44 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-143:
Great stuff Kwagga… That’s how a good man does it…!!
makes me feel my support for the Bulls in finals past was not wasted…
30 Jun 2011, 10:46 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-145:
I dont deny anything, I just accept that all commentators are biased in some way. It doesn’t phase me at all.
But to use this info as ammo to further entrench hatred of all things WP, that is just slightly psychotic, dont you think.
(You morning glory ‘crack’ was first class, by the way).
People must also remember that all the ANTI SA supporters in the Cape, be it Super rugby or national, are a huge embarrassment to everyone. They are a seperate entity from the WC rugby supporters.
30 Jun 2011, 10:51 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-148: yep it’s me
30 Jun 2011, 10:52 am
Blues and Crusaders marching on
Article By: Tony, Johnson
Monday, 27 June 2011 10:27 a.m.
Two New Zealand teams in the Super Rugby top four is a worthy representation, but now it gets really hard.
The Crusaders get the shorter straw with the longer trip to Cape Town.
It is tempting to recall the moment they were sawn off by Stu Dickenson and his mates in the game at Suncorp Stadium and the unplayed second round match against the Hurricanes as reasons why they have to make this journey, but there were also the losses to the Cheetahs and the Highlanders that have made their already herculean task even tougher.
They are the one team capable of coping with the adversity they have faced and still being competitive, but this is a huge challenge against a rested Stormers side.
After a flat start against the Sharks they came away with a resounding win in Nelson, which will not only boost their confidence, but give them some pointers for the task ahead.
In the first half they simply did get enough numbers to the breakdown, allowing the massive Sharks pack to blow over them. Once they got that sorted there was only one team in it.
They are gathering strength too, with Richie McCaw due back, Sean Maitland looking like he’d never been away, and Sonny Bill Williams showing his class, although he showed a niggly side to his character we hadn’t seen before. He is a better rugby player than he is a boxer, and a far better boxer than he is an actor.
I thought Tom Marshall had a cracking game at fullback, continuing to negate the absence of Israel Dagg, who sadly, like Tony Woodcock and now possibly Anthony Boric is starting to look increasingly unlikely to feature in the All Black plans at least for the Tri Nations.
The Crusaders won’t have too many fears about Newlands. They won there when under strength earlier in the year, and get great support from the Cape Coloured community, much to the disgust of the Stormers faithful, but to travel that distance and take on such a powerful side is asking a lot.
It has been done before in the knockout phase, by the Highlanders in 1999, the same year the Crusaders beat the Reds in Brisbane to create an unlikely all New Zealand final….so who knows, history could repeat.
The draw has worked out a bit better for the Blues, who “only” have to travel to Brisbane, and if they can continue to build on their efforts of the past two weeks they’re not without a shot against the top ranking Reds.
They might even take encouragement from the fact that the two previous occasions that the Reds have topped the round robin table they’ve failed to make the finals, but that’s all a long time ago.
They did well to see off the Waratahs by a comfortable enough margin. Sure, the ‘Tahs were below strength, but still had a massive forward pack and enough form in the past two weeks to be rated a threat.
But the Blues forward pack held them out well, with Ali Williams and Jerome Kaino both outstanding. Williams is getting right back to his irrepressible best, but the loss of his locking partner Boric is a massive blow because it was he who led a very good lineout effort.
The Tah’s managed to expose the defensive frailties of the Blues around the inside channel early on, with Stephen Brett, Luke McAlister, Peter Saili and even the normally impeccable Luke Braid missing tackles.
But the more the game went on, the less possession the Waratahs had to play with, and the threat of Beale and co was pretty much eliminated. Jared Payne was again brilliant.
They are capable of beating the Reds, especially if they get a fairer deal than the Crusaders did from the match officials, but they will have to be at their best, and eliminate the defensive errors.
Much has been made of the dismal crowd at Eden Park, and there are probably a number of reasons for this.
The first is the weather….or more to the point the weather forecast. Once again the “celebrity” forecasters got it wrong with predictions of hail and heavy, squally rain that did not eventuate.
There are issues of ticket prices, the food and drink, the business of getting to a ground locked in a residential area and so on.
There might have been a bit of complacency, or has the expanded format tested the loyalty of the fickle Auckland fans?
The Blues deserved better. They even went cap in hand and appealed for support during the week, but this is a tactic that has been tried and failed before….it almost seems to get the opposite response.
Whatever the reasons, the thought of that sized crowd for such an important game being seen by an international audience is embarrassing.
30 Jun 2011, 10:53 am
Both guests on Reunion this week back the Stormers to take it.
30 Jun 2011, 10:55 am
@Stawm(Stawm)-152:
“(You morning glory ‘crack’ was first class, by the way).”
Was it?
30 Jun 2011, 10:59 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-156:
Brig will be hard to top.
30 Jun 2011, 11:00 am
@schalk brits has got more x-factor than os(Transformation)-154:
Transie, I bet the Saders would fear Newlands if Corne Uys and Barry Geel were playing…
30 Jun 2011, 11:01 am
@willievz(willievz)-158:
Whahahahahahahaha…!
Corne Uys is a “calming” influence…
30 Jun 2011, 11:12 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-159:
Hehe, you know it! A willievz-Transie joke.
And Barry Geel.
Tackles made 17. Tackles missed 0.
30 Jun 2011, 11:18 am
@willievz(willievz)-160:
Just one word:
Solid.
30 Jun 2011, 11:19 am
@willievz(willievz)-160: He had possibly the best game of his life that day for sure!
30 Jun 2011, 11:22 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-156:
Leave any personal side out of it. It was wit in the first class.
30 Jun 2011, 11:27 am
Not gonna lie, my hopes aren’t exactly high for Saturday,,, oh well. Next year
30 Jun 2011, 11:30 am
@willievz(willievz)-158: ag, that goes without saying, even if alister had to play nic groom & earl rose as halfbacks, with barry geel @ inside centre chopping up everything in sight and corne uys’ calming influence the saders would be k@k bang!!
30 Jun 2011, 11:34 am
@willievz(willievz)-158: and Transie..
how would Uys go if he wasnt given a leg up by Lawrence in that game… or have you both forgotten?
Brig – your comment on the Saders and their homeground is typical of the knuckle-dragging, horn wearing, pot bellied Bulls fan who is now rather sour because his team proved this season that WITHOUT so many home town refs they cant win a damn thing… jag aan skop as a philodophical way of playing your rugby must be indicative of the cerebral deficiency evidence by the fair weather bulls fan
thank you for proving such…mamparra
30 Jun 2011, 11:34 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-159: you laugh! sias benefitted immensely from corne’s calming influence in the same way carter had mauger as his mentor. corne is an unsung hero in my book.
30 Jun 2011, 11:36 am
@schalk brits has got more x-factor than os(Transformation)-167:
I really rated Aaron Mauger.
30 Jun 2011, 11:39 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-166: um, you’re barking up the wrong tree…corne uys didn’t play against the saders, BARRY “sbw killer” geel played @ 12 and made 17 tackles missing 0!!!!
30 Jun 2011, 11:41 am
@schalk brits has got more x-factor than os(Transformation)-167: Merhtens was Carters mentor, Carter playing outside of him at 2nd 5/8th..
30 Jun 2011, 11:42 am
@schalk brits has got more x-factor than os(Transformation)-169: well all you Saffas look the same to me
… thanks for correcting me though.,. my point still stands, the Cheetahs had it just as good with Lawrence in that game as the Saders did last week..
30 Jun 2011, 11:45 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-166:
well, seeing as the crusaders only seem to get home town refs, you’d know.
you watched the sharks game last week right?
30 Jun 2011, 11:51 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-172:
Reunion show replayed the “Dangerous Engagement” scrum, joking that Lawrence was making up new rules as he went along.
Has Lawrence received even a slap on the wrist for this?
30 Jun 2011, 11:53 am
@schalk brits has got more x-factor than os(Transformation)-169: @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-168: @stormersboy(stormersboy)-162:
My dad’s cousin flanked down in a game against Murray Mexted in the 80s when the latter was having a decent run of form. He told me that in the week leading up to that fixture, he would receive several calls from his mates who told him that Mexted will make mincemeat out of him. Apparently the night before the game his nerves was the worst, further exacerbated by his best friend who called him and mentioned: “So I hear you play against Mexted tomorrow? You are gonna kuk”.
It was there and then that he decided one of two things: either he jumps out of his hotel room now and ending his ordeal in the process, or he will hit Mexted as hard as he could the first time he sees him in a ruck or collides with him. As they scrummed down, on Mexted’s team’s throw-in, he made a grunting noise and grinded his teeth, and eyed a confused Mexted who obviously never saw such an ugly face staring him down.
And he punched Mexted at the first ruck. The rest is history, according to him.
I bet Barry SBW killer Geel had a similar build-up to that fixture, with his mates telling him how much he would kuk against SBW!
30 Jun 2011, 12:13 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-172: one game means they get home town refs?
bwahahaha
not like the 11 of last year that your team got aye?
30 Jun 2011, 12:18 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-171: don’t forget that we also watched that game, lawrence was strict but not as biased as you make it out to be. the cheetahs played a weakened saders side that had come off a bruising game the week before and they took their chances. but it was not the ref whitewash u purport it was.
30 Jun 2011, 12:20 pm
Coetsee is a weak kneed typical conservative thinking JW clone of a coach
Stormers the most one dimensional game plan on the cards
these idiot palookas reckon if you fluke a non contested gimme world cup once playing this archaic load of cowardly trash means its your staple diet patented game plan for evermore
If Boks and Stormers go onto this game playing this dead end hopelessly outdated garbage defense wins games garbage which they likely will do, then I’m top of the list rooting for the other team no matter who they are or pretend to be.
Rugby comes first.. win at all cost cowardly negativity don’t and should not feature in this game ever, and if that has become our staple cowardly approach for the past 8 years and counting then let the team who’s bravest and confident at playing the space and the opportunity take the spoils… Thats my motto.. Stormers and/or Bok supporter that I am, I ain’t about to sell my rugby principles about how the game should be played down the river for a bunch of chicken hearted cowardly negative idiots no matter which colour blazer they wanna pretend they wear.
30 Jun 2011, 12:24 pm
@Stawm(Stawm)-163:
Forgive the slight sensitivity today.
Last night on another thread Valkyrie called me a cheap floosy, amongst other things.
30 Jun 2011, 12:28 pm
In fact here it is:
“• 472.gunther is nazi-loving german rent-boy:
29 Jun 2011, 20:53 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-459: behave like a decent woman and you might get the respect you so crave.you are nothing but a cheap floosy that sullies the decent and respected name of coloured women,some who have gone through hardship to educate and better themselves.have you ever wondered why white pigs don’t respect coloured women ?let me tell you…it’s because of women like you on this blog that are morally corrupt and who cheapens themselves to gain favour of their former colonial masters.”
30 Jun 2011, 12:30 pm
If there is one franchise that can change the way Stormsader fans think it is the Stormers (and possibly the Cheetahs if they improve their defence) . As far as i can see the Stormers are the best rugby footballing side in SA at the moment and I predicted at the beginning of the season that if they got it right (selection and confidence) that they could become unstoppable. What has really helped them is having Elstadt step up big time into the breach and give the tight five some aggression. Their defence is outstanding but they also have some of the best rugby footballers in SA in their backline and with the youth coming through they can start to dominate. Heavens forbid that this happens as we will never live it down, however for this weekend my money and support is firmly on the Stormers. GO show these Kiwis how we can play rugby guys with brains.
30 Jun 2011, 12:32 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-179: You tell that little piece of lowlife trash to go stick his half bred garbage head up his half bred garbage arse Dawn… little piece of garbage excuses of lowlife scum like that got no place advising you anything… garbage mongrels like that belong in the gutter that they were spawned in and that is who they are and will ever be.
30 Jun 2011, 12:39 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-175:
you do of course realize the bulls have won 3 s14′s right.
beating the crusaders in all 3 semis?
mmmm, sounds like sour grapes.
everyone on the planet knows the antipodean refs are the kakkest out there.
30 Jun 2011, 13:02 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-178:
Dawnie… You shouldn’t be the one apologising… It was a very un-funny, tired, hackneyed, heard-a-million-times-before, childish, crass, sexist attempt at humour at your expense…
IMO both TheBrig and Stawm should be apologising to you…
30 Jun 2011, 13:04 pm
brig
no argument on the antipodean refs, they’re as useless as SA coaches.
as for sour, the only sour one was yourself with your comments about the saders home ground.
3 titles, well done, still not Half as many as the saders huh? knew maths wasn’t your strong point.
by the way, I’m not even a saders fan, but my team STILL has as many super titles as the Bulls and they still have a chance to get one this year, does yours?
30 Jun 2011, 13:06 pm
@ufo(ufo)-183:
would either blogger… (sorry just can’t bring myself to call them men)… tell such a joke to their wives, mothers or daughters…???
thought not…
their bravery is linked directly proportionally to their anonymity…
nuff said…
30 Jun 2011, 13:16 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-184:
lol……nobody is ever going to top the drubbing the kiwi finalists got in 2009
but that was the ref right?
and let’s face it, the tournament and travel has always been heavily lopsided in kiwi favor.
only now do you guys have 3-5 week tours.
and the travel fatigue issue will never properly be resolved until the kiwi/ozzie continental shift moves a hell of a lot quicker tha 1mm per year towards the west. Because science proves that travelling east to west is easier on the “system”.
anyway, here’s hoping the reds and stormers fck you inbreds up so you bugger off until the worldcup.
30 Jun 2011, 13:23 pm
@ufo(ufo)-185:
what a soft and sensitive twat you are.
you are of course assuming Dawn is a female.
Because, “Dawn” is as vague as is “Brigadier”. For all you know, I could be chirping my best mate?
yes, it probably is sexist….but then, we are on a rugby blog.
So there you go, you want girl talk…go to sarie .com or whatever.
30 Jun 2011, 13:25 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-186:
**** Piet.
Because for every journey a SA Takes East…………… they take one home again West.
and vice-versa.
For every journey a Australasian Team takes West. …………….they return home East.
Where is any Team disadvantaged?
Travel is a factor. Not an excuse.
30 Jun 2011, 13:25 pm
brig and Tact
Gaan was julle motors en vat die vrouens na doe Malls julle twee bitter blikesems!
Kyk Wimbeldon se vrouens finaal Saterdag, los die groot rugby uit julle moegoes….
Die game is tussen die main manne….nie die bliksem se 7 de plen span nie!
30 Jun 2011, 13:27 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-187: you not even a bloody troep you bitter bliksem…
and by the way Dawn is a lady you wally!
30 Jun 2011, 13:29 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-187:
“you are of course assuming Dawn is a female”.
Now you are just being stupid Herr Van Zyl.
Very stupid.
30 Jun 2011, 13:31 pm
travel brig? seriously lol
the saders and reds have dispelled that theory last year, beating opposition 1st game flying back feom SA. they may have done it this year too?
what say you of travel If the saders win this weekend? they flew in the wrong direction?
grab a bigger straw mate, it makes it much easier to clutch
30 Jun 2011, 13:48 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-187:
Brig… We all know Dawn down here… so you’re not chatting to your best mate… you know it… we know it…
not only is Dawn a female… she is a lady… and enjoys banter and humour along with everyone else… but if you believe because it’s rugby it means stooping into the gutter… then i pity your family… if you were watching rugby at home on the telly do you speak to them like that…?
of course not… so it’s got nothing to do with rugby… it’s got everything to do with hiding behind a pseudonym…
your assertion that sexism is okay because we’re on a rugby blog is just really very sad… i sincerely pity you…
if you were the big brave man you masquerade as… you’d be big enough to apologise to Dawn and admit you are wrong… but we won’t hold our breaths…
30 Jun 2011, 13:48 pm
@cane(cane)-188:
The flight path itself is a red herring.
It is the amount of time spent within foreign borders that is the crux.
30 Jun 2011, 13:53 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-192:
dude, even the antipodean players admit as much.
@cane(cane)-191:
why,I haven’t met her…so how would i know?
likewise, you haven’t met me…so you are assuming as much
@grant10(grant10)-189: .
too bloody right i’ll be watching the womans final, hopefully that maria shapova is playing. I’d pay to watch her long before paying to watch the stormers.
30 Jun 2011, 13:56 pm
i’m with brig on this one. Dawn is a prawn and a super stirrer! There is a saying in afrikaans : As jy jou lyf toffie appel hou, moenie kla as jy gelek word nie!
30 Jun 2011, 13:57 pm
@ufo(ufo)-193:
no, don’t hold your breathe.
in fact, i am more suspicious that you are indeed a female as well.
regrettably, i don’t stomp my feet and/or go shopping for therapy.
30 Jun 2011, 14:10 pm
@Jorrie_Habana(WO_to_kill_Sir_Elton)-196: @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-197:
You both know better.
And are both beyond contempt.
And what is more. You both know it.
30 Jun 2011, 14:20 pm
this piece of trash Brigadier is one piece of garbage snot nose white trash rubbish who likes to try bullsh’t the world that he’s and upstanding toffee nosed goody two shoes morally objective moffie arsehole who respects his fellow man (or woman) – well at lest that’s the bullsh’t baffled brainless garbage he tried selling me, – meanwhile the true fact of the matter is he is outright garbage racist sexist white trash scum of the earth, almost bar none.
And his little poodle naaier bumchum who’s in agreement with him is exactly same kind.
30 Jun 2011, 14:36 pm
@ufo(ufo)-183:
It was a witty line, a play on words. Stop crying already, or take your pills FFS.
Also Dawn wasnt apologising to me directly, she realized that it was just a joke. Humour.
Try it.
30 Jun 2011, 14:37 pm
ashampoopaloo los die TIK brother!
30 Jun 2011, 14:41 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-199:
You are still, without doubt the biggest idiot I have ever come across.
Still crying over JW and his coaching methods 4 years down the line, this after JW won the world cup for goodness sake – do you even begin to realize how stupid you look?
Stormers top SA conference, second on the log and you still say they are rubbish.
You are always swearing at everybody, resorting to your preferred potty speak as and when it suits you. Are you for real? Have you even got the balls to say anything face to face with one of the many you verbally abuse, day after day?
I’m sure people close to you must continually remind you of what a pleasure you are to be around, am I right?
30 Jun 2011, 15:12 pm
i don’t think ashampoepol is real! i think its a blogger trying to stir! surely you can’t get a oke who is such a f*cking nut!
has anyone heard Whackhead simpson’s prank call to grant10 ? ::
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIlBeyGYJz4
Funniest thing i’v evr heard!
30 Jun 2011, 15:14 pm
STORMERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Though I must say i am not very confident for you guys, what with JF, your scrummie and Vermuelen missing, I am thinking you now have about a 40% chance of still winning, but in your favor Crusaders had to travel far.
Hope you guys can do it, would be worth not getting any points on Bru.
30 Jun 2011, 15:16 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-199:
Simple question, yes or no answer. Are you racist?
30 Jun 2011, 15:18 pm
@Jorrie_Habana(WO_to_kill_Sir_Elton)-201: You still on the Tik?
30 Jun 2011, 15:26 pm
@Jorrie_Habana(WO_to_kill_Sir_Elton)-203:
Charo has met him before at the Firemans Arms,so he’s real. Whether or not he is always just trying to wind people up is the question. However, he still shows signs of being extremely mentally unstable.
30 Jun 2011, 20:15 pm
this Brigadier is twiddle face racist sexist snot nose garbage so if punks like Mr. Spawn wanna come blow smoke up their racist sexist arses then they obviously from the same sexist racist garbage stable no matter how f’ng holier than thou and toffee nosed superior bred they like to think these two face sexist racist punks like to believe they are.
And come try your sexist racist clever knobnose garbage excuse for humour here or anywhere around me and I tell you straight to your sexist racist face exactly what kinda garbage I think you are, whether in real life or on a blog site.
And to answer this other cleverdick No.15 straight to his cleverdick face, no I’m not racist, and that is absolute fact, so whether you able to understand what comprises a racist compared to what don’t that’s for you dumbass deluded snotnosed cleverdick doos to try work out for yourself.
30 Jun 2011, 20:25 pm
as for Jake White the ultimate moron useless twat of a rugby coach who happened to fluke a gimme non contested world cup he was, is, and always will be the biggest dumbass fraud idiot palooka lousy excuse of a rugby coach who got shepherded through a pisseasy nonevent of a one sided competition by a coach streaks ahead of him in terms of real rugby savvy without which the moron would have even capitulation the easiest passages to a world cup any coach could ever have hoped to be gifted with as was the case in 2007,.
And as hopeless a rugby coach he is, he’s even a worse specimen of a human being, totally and utterly inept and contemptuous of any true reasonable human qualities is your dumbfck hero worshiped Mr. A Hole dumbass White
30 Jun 2011, 20:31 pm
Peter De Villiers leaves that A. Hole Palooka dumbass idiot fraud of a halfarse excuse of a rugby coach and human individual J.W in the shade by light years and more, in every aspect and facet of both rugby coaching and in player handling skills, and even then some. Suck it up any other which way you like, those are the fundamental facts of the matter no matter how uncomfortable it might be for you to begin to recognize it.
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