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• 1.Schweinsteiger:
  8 Jul 2011, 07:06 am

  Butch dragons!

• 2.he's not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy!:
  8 Jul 2011, 07:36 am

  should be morne, butch and then lambie, or morne, lambie and then butch.

• 3.Number 8:
  8 Jul 2011, 07:42 am

  Anybody but Morne!

• 4.NZINCHINA:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:05 am

  From memory Butch has played the Ab’s 10 or 12 times and won twice but apparently we fear him, your need a tighthead not a has been 10.

• 5.TheTackler:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:11 am

  Butch is only a journeyman. No brilliance, no variation and no drop goal ability. His hallmark is card-gathering illegal tackling.

• 6.Dawn:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:13 am

  Another despatch from the back office cupboard at KEO headquarters.

• 7.grant10:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:14 am

  PDV has made 100 % the correct choice. M Steyn is the most 1 dimensional in the pocket skop en jag artist ever and will do nothing but further blunt a Bok backline that regressed so badly in 2010.

  As soon as the heat is on M Steyn falls further back into the pocket and poses no threat ball in hand. Fact is that M Steyn has a very poor tactical boot, Butch far superior in this regard.

  As long as we have the comfort of a F Steyn to take the longer kicks I am very content .

  And also note….Plod is a massive advocate of Butch at 10 ….just by the way!

• 8.Dawn:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:17 am

  Reyhan is getting fat from all the gatsbies

• 9.pakslae:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:21 am

  @Number 8(Number 8)-3:
  Agree, let’s just hope those knees last till after the World Cup. He’s the best option we currently have at flyhalf. We can build with Lambie and Elton after the World Cup.
  @TheTackler(TheTackler)-5:
  I’m sure the All Blacks will try and bait him like they always do with him and the likes Bakkies, knowing they always get the rub of the green from the match officials.

• 10.Jorrie_Habana:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:23 am

  Stop stirring prawn

• 11.Transformation:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:24 am

  FatBoys Club in the building….

• 12.he's not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy!:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:26 am

  @Number 8(Number 8)-3:
  you’d think the bulls aren’t the super rugby champs 3 years out of the last 4 & a half?…

• 13.pakslae:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:30 am

  @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-4:
  You should know better by now that in a World Cup history and records count for nothing.

• 14.TheTackler:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:34 am

  6. Peter de Villiers

  The southern hemisphere international rugby season hasn’t kicked off yet, but Springboks coach Peter deVilliers sure has. He is a favourite of rugby journalists the world over for his penchant for talking utter bollocks. This time he targeted Sonny Bill Williams, describing Williams’ offloading skills as “nonsense” and a bad example for young players. De Villiers was in the stands as Williams sucked in two tacklers and offloaded the ball to Robbie Fruean to score against the Stormers in their Super Rugby semi-final. Do you want pepper with that foot Peter?

  (from “10 Best moments of the 2011 S15″ — Dominion Post, NZ)

• 15.he's not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy!:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:35 am

  @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-4:
  its called player development, they’re giving him time haha…seriously though, i think its really just the coaching staffs ‘no-injury’ rotation plan for the top boks. they dont want morne worn down so are using butch instead for the dog work. they’ll give morne 1 or 2 outings perhaps & then run him at the wc.

• 16.he's not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy!:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:37 am

  @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-4:
  having said that, i think butch’s is also on the injured list? so there goes half my theory.

• 17.he's not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy!:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:40 am

  @grant10(grant10)-7:
  how deep in the pocket was he in the 2009 trinations and the lions series?
  perhaps deep enough to score most of the points that won the tournament and the series?…

• 18.pakslae:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:43 am

  @he’s not the messiah. he’s a very naughty boy!(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-17:
  What did Morne do in 2010?

• 19.he's not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy!:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:44 am

  @TheTackler(TheTackler)-14:
  peper poot hahaha

• 20.Dawn:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:46 am

  @Jorrie_Habana(WO_to_kill_Sir_Elton)-10:

  Aaaaggh jinne man for goodness sake come up with something better than prawn!!!!

  It’s getting boring now!

• 21.Dawn:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:46 am

  @TheTackler(TheTackler)-14:

  So?

  S’ nothing we haven’t seen before?

  Anything else to offer re PdeV?

• 22.Dawn:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:47 am

  Magtag the quality of the insults on this website really sucks.

• 23.he's not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy!:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:48 am

  @pakslae(pakslae)-18:
  he had to sidestep his forward packs ‘go back’ ball…
  and to tell the truth he did it a lot better than butch ever could have.

• 24.Dawn:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:50 am

  PdeV is not the only one who talks utter bollocks

  Lotsa people do.

• 25.grant10:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:51 am

  @he’s not the messiah. he’s a very naughty boy!(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-17: he kicked a great penalty in the last minute, after coming on in 2 nd test against B Lions.

  He played the 2 nd half against B LIons in 1 st test and made a great test saving tackle.

  He is fine when Bulls are rampaging forward, as they often do, except for 2011 when he again was , at best , mediocre.

  He chokes away frm SA, all of sudden he kicks poorly. And tactically, except for the up and under, I have neber rated his tactical boot, he may kick far but ineviatbly it is straight down the opposition throat. Butch is a far more complete player….

• 26.Taahirah:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:51 am

  @pakslae(pakslae)-18: What did any of the Boks do in 2010?

• 27.grant10:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:53 am

  @Taahirah(Taahirah)-26: with plod and spies in the bok pack we will replicate 2010 form.

• 28.he's not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy!:
  8 Jul 2011, 08:56 am

  @Taahirah(Taahirah)-26:
  my point exactly.
  they worked on their ‘go back ball’ game plan.

• 29.Big Hit:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:00 am

  James is the best and most complete flyhalf available to SA, however his current 83% goal-kicking stats cannot be relied upon in big test matches.

  I don’t think SA would lose a great deal by playing a Steyn/James combination at 10/12, they would certainly gain some width to their attack

  @TheTackler(TheTackler)-5: if you really believe that then you either don’t watch or don’t understand flyhalf play

• 30.Big Hit:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:02 am

  @Big Hit(Big Hit)-29: oh, and Butch is the one player who can wipe SBW clean out, u can’t offload if you’re destroyed in contact.

• 31.stormersboy:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:05 am

  Just because Ryan says it’s so doesn’t make it so. Morne may be being given game time because Butch can’t play, simple as that.

  Fact is, the team hasn’t even been announced yet.

  Ryan’s jumping the gun here.

• 32.grant10:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:10 am

  M Steyn is going for 1 reason only….

  Butch is the main man.

• 33.pakslae:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:10 am

  The Springboks played their best rugby, since ’98, after the World Cup. Their game was heavily based on physical dominance up front and the accurate tactical boot of F du Preez. Our set-piece play and defense was probably the best in the business and again I will mention that F du Preez was critical in this game plan. You only have to look at what happened in 2010 when he was injured. Our game was never based around a flyhalf.
  Now we’re seeing that the ABs and the Ozzies are getting parity in their line-outs against us, which they once feared. And they shading us in the scrums and tight exchanges. These signs are worrying ahead of the World Cup.

• 34.he's not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy!:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:13 am

  @grant10(grant10)-25:
  and whose a_s_s did he have to save coming off the bench? the same a_s_s that couldnt do it even though the bok scrum was good & there was lots of go forward.
  he wasn’t choking away from home in 2009.
  the bok game plan fits in between a ‘pretty little boy with flair but doesn’t get us there’ and ‘i run very hard but kick very soft’ tactical expectation type, doesn’t it? and who fits neatly inbetween?
  a simple ‘ no frills no fuss (think tempest car hire) dead boot dropper & decent channel defender with a little pass to spare on the side’ tactical type.
  and we all know such a guy, don’t we? so lets fit the man to the plan….

• 35.Tacitus:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:16 am

  My view is this:

  They want to rest as many guys as they can. But they have to adhere to the stupid SANZAR requirements. They can’t get the medical professionals to issue false diagnosis or fabricated injury reports, so they follow a three step process:

  1. All the guys with serious injuries are automatically rested – Gurthro, Schalk etc. About 5 or 6 guys, I would say.

  2. All the guys with legitimate niggles, sore necks, calves, groins etc. can also be withdrawn with legitimate “injuries”. These are injuries they COULD have played with, if it was a World Cup final, but which could equally be classified as a legitimate injury if they wanted to rest the guys. This constitutes the remaining 15 or so players of the 21 on the injury list.

  3. This also happened to cover most of the A team. The remaining A team players who really have no injury niggles whatsoever unfortunately couldn’t be withdrawn. These include Morne Steyn and Pierre Spies. It is a case of UNFORTUNATELY, they are completely injury free.

  Divvy hasn’t changed his A team. He just couldn’t outright lie about guys with no injuries whatsoever.

• 36.he's not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy!:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:17 am

  @Big Hit(Big Hit)-30:
  yes, but you first have to get the wax on before you can get the wax off…
  seen sbw get his pass off after hits from harder tacklers than butch this season.

• 37.Transformation:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:18 am

  @Big Hit(Big Hit)-30: by wipe him out you mean a high tackle with a headlock as sbw hits the deck? give us a break big hit, your sharks bias is laughable

• 38.he's not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy!:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:20 am

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-31:
  ja, ryan should rather pick that gun up and go postal in the office. this info’s about the same in value as the first option.

• 39.Transformation:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:23 am

  @Tacitus(Deucalion)-35: he has lied to us before, him and neels lebel sat at a press conference last year and said john smit is as fit as he was in 2007 and they have the gps readings to prove it!

  next thing you know we hear smit saying he was 127kg last year and now has lost the lard…bloody liars!

• 40.grant10:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:24 am

  @he’s not the messiah. he’s a very naughty boy!(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-34: lets agree to disagree. M Steyn is part of the problem we have…..a 1 dimensional 10 that gets nothing out of the Boks pack. Butch brings so much more to the party, and out of hand Butch is far more astute a tactical kicker than M Steyn….

  But we wont convince each other….so I will rather leave it.

• 41.poppa69:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:24 am

  @pakslae(pakslae)-33:

  “the Springboks played their best rugby, since ’98, after the World Cup.”

  dont you mean two years after the WC, because in 2008 you guys were rubbish… proving that your WC win against fiji, argentina and Eng was also a phyrric victory…

• 42.Tacitus:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:25 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-39:

  Saw smit on Kyknet Afrikaans E-news yesterday, running around at the Cape Town practice session. He looks like a guy wearing a fat suit. He is way out of shape. Shocking.

• 43.grant10:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:27 am

  WPTID was at a ‘ do ‘ a couple of months ago with PDV and on this very site said that PDV had told them in no uncertain terms that Butch was the bok 1 number 10.

  And I say thank the angels for that.

  The sooner Boks can rid themselves of M Steyn, Plod and Spies the sooner we will be a viable force again in World Rugby.

• 44.he's not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy!:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:30 am

  @Tacitus(Deucalion)-35:
  thats my view also but they’ll go further and also rest the players they couldn’t create injuries for by playing the 2nd stringers in their positions.

• 45.stormersboy:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:31 am

  @grant10(grant10)-40: I’m not saying that Butch shouldn;t nescessarily be starting, just that I don’t think he will.

  My view on the scenario is this, and like everyone else’s, including the all knowing Ryan, it’s all speculation at this point:

  1. Is Butch injured? If he is then obviously he must recover and Morne is the obvious no 10, regardless of who is first choice. There is only 1 choice in this case.

  2. Butch isn’t injured. Then if he was 1st choice I’d be playing the guy as soon as possible. Butch has played very little rugby since coming home, with niggles and suspensions and playing at 12 and whatnot so he needs game time in the jersey against good opposition IMO if PDV is going to go with him as first choice.\

  If it’s 1, then we are no closer to the truth.

  If it’s 2, I’d then say that PDV is leaning towards Morne as first choice. I don;t think it makes sense to cotton wool him at this stage, he needs game time not rest.

  That’s how I see it.

• 46.grant10:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:31 am

  @Tacitus(Deucalion)-42: It is now truly a massive headache for Boks…..

  Charles Mangold has been attending the Boks practices in CT and states that Plod is struggling…..

  With the lack of rugby he has had I would have thought he would have been in prime condition.

  I question the real hunger…..this is a bridge too far for Plod.

• 47.FOXTROT:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:34 am

  Well said Ryan! Butchie has what it takes against a pumped up SBW and RF hard hitting 10/12 channel, his distribution is unpredictable and brilliant and stopping and checking defence on the gain line is exactly what we need on attack! Gotta be our first choice.

• 48.he's not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy!:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:34 am

  @grant10(grant10)-40:
  yes, your right i agree. i will disagree.
  can i just get the last chop on the plate and say ‘thats one party i dont want to go too’…butch on a dancefloor..no thanks…

• 49.Taahirah:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:35 am

  @poppa69(poppa69)-41: You do know a Pyrrhic victory is one gained at too great a cost, right?

  How is winning a World Cup pyrrhic in nature, seeing that it is the ultimate prize in rugby?

• 50.grant10:
  8 Jul 2011, 09:36 am

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-45: Mate….they are simply not prepared to send the 1 st choices on the away trip.

  If it was about game time Frans Steyn would need to be there as well.

  They are keeping the A team behind so that Nienaber and Rassie can work on that defensive system and Coetsee can do conditioning.

  It really is as simple as that. Butch is the chosen 1…..

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