Sanzar to probe Bok selections
8 Jul 2011
The ARU has called on Sanzar to seek assurances from the Springboks that they will field their best available team during the Tri-Nations.
The ARU has questioned the veracity of a Bok injury list that includes 21 of South Africa’s best players. It would appear that coach Peter de Villiers is resting these players for the away leg of the Tri-Nations so that they will be fresh and ready for the World Cup later in the year.
The Sanzar countries have an agreement which ensures they do not damage any of its competitions through fielding weakened teams, and ARU chief executive John O’Neill said on Wednesday that Sanzar’s chief executive officer, Greg Peters, must investigate and determine whether the Boks are reneging on that agreement.
‘The difference between 2007 and now is that we now have a permanent Sanzar office with a CEO, who has the job of monitoring and policing such matters. He [Peters] will be following up on this announcement,’ O’Neill said.
‘A couple of weeks ago we had rumours coming out of the Republic that they may be sending an understrength team. We received assurances at the time that the only players not included would be genuinely injured. We have a joint venture agreement and a broadcasting agreement, and it is important that the three countries don’t just comply with the black letter of the law, but also the spirit of the contract. Joint ventures rely on people acting honourably and consistently.
‘We’re not in a position to second-guess the Springboks, and we also have our share of injured players. But it is nowhere near 21. The sheer size of the number of players who are injured is unusual,’ O’Neill said. ‘That’s why we have asked for assurances.’
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8 Jul 2011, 12:48 pm
2 acts were criticised by the broadcasters in ’07 and they are listed below, none was deemed worse or less than the other as some kiwis here would like us to believe.
Broadcasters slam Sanzar
13 Jul 2007
TV broadcasters have criticised Sanzar for allowing understrength teams to play in the Super 14 and Tri-Nations this year.
All Blacks coach Graham Henry rested his top players during the first half of the Super 14, while Jake White left his best 20 Boks at home for the away leg of the Tri-Nations. This has predictably not gone down with the broadcasters “ Sky Sports (New Zealand), Fox Sports (Australia) and SuperSport (South Africa) “ or News Corp itself, which paid $350 million for the TV rights from 2006 to 2010.
According to the Sydney Morning Herald, Sanzar officials were told that they will have to convince the broadcasters that the best possible provincial and national teams will play in the Super 14 and Tri Nations in the next World Cup year, 2011?“ if the deal is renewed
Meanwhile, the ARU is expected on Friday to ask Sanzar to support the introduction of the new experimental rules “the Stellenbosch Laws“ in all Super 14, domestic Tests and Tri-Nations fixtures from next year.
All eight of these laws, which are aimed at simplifying the game and encouraging more attacking play, will be used in the inaugural Australian Rugby Championship that starts next month.
8 Jul 2011, 12:50 pm
@BringItHomeBoks(bokfan1)-166: don’t bother bokfan1, Justice4 is one of his favourite hobbyhorses, you won’t get him off it
8 Jul 2011, 12:50 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-188: Hey man! I just said I didnt ever mean Lima was dirty! Jeez!
He smashed Derik Hougaard fair and square! No worries there.
The GAME between SA and Samoa in 95 was a dirty GAME
8 Jul 2011, 12:52 pm
justice for the maori!justice for the maori!
Disgruntled Maori have warned that Rugby World Cup celebrations could be disrupted if their grievances – including those over the foreshore and seabed – aren’t addressed.
Prominent Maori say the tournament, just 200 days away, would be a “grand opportunity” to make a political statement.
Long-time Ngapuhi activist and Maori Council executive member Titewhai Harawira said she was determined to “expose” New Zealand’s treatment of Maori to the large foreign media contingent covering the event.
“We are going to use the international media to expose what is going on in this country,” she told the Sunday Star-Times.
“I want to be telling international media that all those reports they get that say we are well looked after and our land is intact are rubbish. We are going to be talking to the international media, absolutely.”
Harawira said she hoped to provide visitors with a “whole chronology of what has happened in this country”.
“I will talk about how legislation has taken away and denied us,” she said. “We have time to put it all together, hand it out and talk about it.”
8 Jul 2011, 12:54 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-197: to be fair there have been prime examples in the past where this was exactly the case, notably in 2003 where NZ smashed Aus 50 – 21, and then later in the RWC (on the exact same ground) lost 22-10 in the semi… So transformation might have a point.
8 Jul 2011, 12:55 pm
the Sharks medical staff are to test their “injured” springboks regardsless of what the SARU doctors are saying. if the player are deemed fit, the union might demand to play them in theri currie cup game against the bulls. this will put saru on a collision course with the already whingeing aussies who have demanded a probe of the 21 bok “injuries”
8 Jul 2011, 12:57 pm
@gunther is nazi-loving german rent-boy(Valkyrie)-204: is this guy’s name tendai mtawarira?
8 Jul 2011, 12:58 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-197:
actually, Pops, no I dont think it will.
Weasel White pulled his players in 2007 not because of fitness issues, but because he didnt want his players subjected to a raft of humiliating away-defeats…..again !
They’ll all magically reappear fit and healthy again in SA and Krusty will hope that he can pull off a victory when all the dice are loaded his way. Funny how it can work out tho – you’ll remember Krusty and his opportunism after stormers won at Eden park and how that was “something for the Kiwis to think about”. Well I, for one, cherished the look on his face as he made his way from his seat at Newlands last week…..
8 Jul 2011, 13:00 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-202:
says Capt von Trapp and he clings, in vain, to his GH-Super-pullout-2007 theories.
classic smoke’n'mirrors – again – from von Trapp.
8 Jul 2011, 13:01 pm
@BringItHomeBoks(bokfan1)-203:
gotcha
8 Jul 2011, 13:04 pm
i support the struggle of all hardworking and honest kiwis except bp,poppa and cane who live of the fat of the land.
New Zealand police have questioned known political activists about their protest plans for this year’s rugby World Cup, asking some whether they would alert authorities if contacted by terrorists, local media reported.
Joe Carolan, an organiser for the Unite union which represents low-paid workers, told the New Zealand Herald “three massive lads” in uniform had visited union offices and asked about planned World Cup protests.
Carolan said the policemen had asked “‘If any terrorists got in touch with you, would you contact us?’ And we just looked at each other. Of course we’re opposed to terrorism.”
The Unite union is one of a number of groups planning protests during the World Cup in September and October. Carolan said the union’s protests would highlight the low wages of hotel staff and security guards.
Meredydd Barrar, a spokesman for the Coalition for Social Justice, said it and other protest groups were planning acts of “civil disobedience” to disrupt the tournament.
“(We) intend to take action during the RWC to alert the world that New Zealand is not as squeaky clean as people might perceive,” Barrar told the New Zealand Herald.
The protests would highlight recent moves by New Zealand’s right-of-centre government which, Barrar said, would adversely affect poor New Zealanders.
justice for all honest and low-paid kiwi workers!justice now!it fills my heart with pride to know that there is still honest kiwis around.
8 Jul 2011, 13:08 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-205: I agree… but then I could find some examples to support my side too… I just think to say that there would be no impact if the scenario did play out holds no water..
what sort of team morale do you have if you lose every warm up game before the “biggest” thing in rugby?
8 Jul 2011, 13:08 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-205: look, going into RWC 2007, new zealand had the wood – seeds of doubt – on ALL the countries in the competition, yet @ the event were bundled out in the quarters.
8 Jul 2011, 13:10 pm
Ricane – who’s crying lol? You kidding me? Just go back and read all the wailing and bleating. As for the boks trophy cabinet at least we have managed to win a couple of tri- nations and a WC over the last few years plus beat NZ a couple times in their own back yard. For all their crowing the Aussies have done F all
And that WC is still something to tO be proud of, resting where it belongs. You boys haven’t won it yet but at least you’ll get to see it now we are bringing it over , something your precious team haven’t been able to do for almost a quarter of a century. Now yes go grab some tissues…
8 Jul 2011, 13:15 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-199: Seems like a case of selective memory on the part of certain of us
8 Jul 2011, 13:15 pm
where the FARK is Gunther ?!
Im tired of dealing with the court jesters
take me to your Leader.
8 Jul 2011, 13:16 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-209: READ AND WEEP
“TV broadcasters have criticised Sanzar for allowing understrength teams to play in the Super 14 and Tri-Nations this year.”
“All Blacks coach Graham Henry rested his top players during the first half of the Super 14, while Jake White left his best 20 Boks at home for the away leg of the Tri-Nations. This has predictably not gone down with the broadcasters “ Sky Sports (New Zealand), Fox Sports (Australia) and SuperSport (South Africa) “ or News Corp itself, which paid $350 million for the TV rights from 2006 to 2010.”
8 Jul 2011, 13:17 pm
@Rugby-1(Rugby-1)-214: bwahahaha someones gone fishing and their bait is stale..
2 wins in 12 years in NZ, keep reminding us how great that is…
8 Jul 2011, 13:18 pm
@BringItHomeBoks(bokfan1)-203: If I can recall, and I was actually at that game, Lima played wing then.
The biggest dirty hit was by Mike Umaga (Tana’s Bro) on Andre Joubert, breaking his hand. remember that whole saga? Hyperbaric chambers and all that.
Like you said, that was a filthy game no doubt.
8 Jul 2011, 13:18 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-217: still missing the point Trans, there was no universal agreement in 2007, and both sides were guilty..
this year, there was a universal agreement, and it appears one team has reneged…
can it be any more simple, really?
8 Jul 2011, 13:19 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-213:
by France
JWs record vs France ?
Played 4
Won 1 – at home in SA.
France won home AND away.
~~~~PHEW~~~~
8 Jul 2011, 13:20 pm
Come on Transie stop upsetting the little kiwi boys with these facts it’s just not fair when your whole world is based on conspiracy theories! Suzi, nasty horrible refs who don’t blow everything their way, and today’s best the French try that wasn’t given in 95 (even though the player himself said he come up short of the try line)
Let them have their fun it’s great entertainment
8 Jul 2011, 13:22 pm
Hey poopy drawers – 2 wins is mire than the Aussies managed which was the point of that particular argument do try keep ip some I know it’s hard to read through those tears
8 Jul 2011, 13:25 pm
@Rugby-1(Rugby-1)-222: face it, you guys went back on your word, thats how professional your union is..
no wonder O’Neil was able to pillage… too easy..
8 Jul 2011, 13:31 pm
There’s actually less crying about this on the Silverfern kiwi blog – are you boys just the soft outcasts who get their panties in a knot over small things. Relax boys
And let’s wait to see what Henry and co do – or are they now allowed to follow suit and still claim the moral high ground? We ate travelling first so had to make the call first, I am pretty sure you boys would have done the same and now you can excuse yourselves when you do do you can stay on that very high horse of yours. If it upsets you so much run back to the kiwi blogs, believe it or not you certainly won’t be missed here…
8 Jul 2011, 13:32 pm
black panther,poppa and cane will never silence the voices of nz’s first people! these bloggers present all that is bad in nz society.they are the voices and faces of their government.keep up the fight for true liberation my maori brothers and sisters.
Maori Council executive member Ngaire Te Hira said Maori had a lot to be frustrated about in world cup year, including anger over historical mining on ancestral Tainui burial grounds, proposed mining in Northland, and the foreshore and seabed bill.
The world cup will also be held during the trial of those charged after the so-called “Tuhoe terror raids” in 2007.
Te Hira – who is backing a proposed hikoi to protest at the Maori Party’s stand on the foreshore and seabed legislation – said the event was an ideal forum for Maori to make a stand.
“I think it is a grand opportunity for us to expose things. I am worried about my status as a Maori mother and grandmother, and about the future for my grandchildren and the children coming after them.
“I am worried about the nation New Zealand should be proud of too, and that we are a first-nation people who have been willing to share and be patient, but I’m afraid some of us are running out of patience.”
Te Whanau-a-Apanui kuia Lillian Howe said she would support peaceful protest action during the cup, and said it was inevitable.
“Where else can they make a stand? There is no other way, is there? I guess those who want to make a stand, that is the only place to do it, because the government is just not listening.”
8 Jul 2011, 13:32 pm
@Rugby-1(Rugby-1)-223: really? youre sure on that stat, that aussie havent won more than twice in NZ in the last 12 years?
positively sure?
Id suggest they won in Wellington in 2000 and 2001..
do you need some tissues to wipe your eyes?
hope youre keeping up…
8 Jul 2011, 13:38 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-217:
the problem you have here, von Trapp, and have had all along
and I am already on record as such
is that I completely agree with you.
GH/NZRU were completely wrong pulling players out of the Super’07 Comp. NZers said so at the time. Fitzy, Loey….schucks even the Tickler. Proffa Noakes even made a career out of it. They all scoffed at the ‘Cottonwool Club’ and the sponsors werent happy either, fair enough.
GH did, however, advise everyone well in advance – in 2006 for the following season. Furthermore, fans of the different CLUB teams knew what they were buying with their ticket prices the following season.
No underhandedness, no deceit.
JW was full of underhandedness and deceit in 2007 when he pulled the squad TWO weeks before they toured and WHAT DO YOU KNOW, Krusty has pulled his
*GOSH*
2 weeks before the start of the TriNations !
Give the SANZAR boys their dues tho, they had already factored IN the SARU deception so they made them tour 1st this time. Clever.
What IS noticeable here, however, is that the G10s of this blog are few and far between. No one else with cajones to actually say “theyre NOT injured – its WRONG – they dont GIVE A SH*T”
And definitely not you, Captain von Trapp, because every topic is a battlefield for you. Never acknowledge your team/player/administration may be in the wrong – in fact, when faced with the facts simply *POOF* – disappear !
8 Jul 2011, 13:42 pm
Crikey pops you just can’t help yourself you keep opening that mouth of yours and embarrassing yourself – I said the last few years who said anything about 12? 12 years is a lifetime but then
I suppose that doesn’t seem that long to you boys when you haven’t won a WC for 24
Anyway thanks for backing up my argument keep up the good work and dry your eyes
8 Jul 2011, 13:47 pm
@gunther is nazi-loving german rent-boy(Valkyrie)-226:
Wiremu Poppavich (Poppa to you) is a Maori (nz’s 1st people).
So to is Hurricane.
8 Jul 2011, 13:47 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-162: Union isn’t a new sport in Australia, which is trying to get a footing. It has a long tradition, and a strong grassroots supporter base, something which is strengthened by migrants from New Zealand, South Africa and the Pacific Islands.
It is very aware of its relative size – 5 professional teams versus 16 in League (with an extra two on the cards) and 17 in AFL (with another one starting next year). It is considered a toff’s sport in Australia, one for the educated and the snobs, in comparison to League which has working class roots.
The reason Union players are paid more is due to the salary cap in League and a lack of international competition. Australian Super 15 teams have a sporting agreement to not pay players more than 110,000 per year, with the rest coming from the ARU. League needs a cap in order to ensure that the NRL doesn’t become a competition between the richest 5 or so clubs. Not all the clubs are sustainable business entities, and without a salary cap, a number would likely go under.
The reality is that rugby union has been professional for 15 years, and still has developed as it should. All major countries have problems with their system, and these need to be addressed. A salary cap in South Africa, for example, would ensure that the Stormers don’t sit with 3 Springbok centres or the Bulls with 4 Springbok locks. It would also ensure that the Cheetahs don’t lose all their good payers to bigger unions.
8 Jul 2011, 13:50 pm
Nice points Wolfman the only flaw in your post is that a salary cap in SA rugby would result in our best players heading to Europe in their droves for more £££’s – no thanks!
8 Jul 2011, 13:53 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-228:
NZ should front up with the Wairarapa-Bush ITM Cup Team for the Wellington Test.
The Captain could hand the Ref a note from GH saying sorry, but this was best we could muster.
8 Jul 2011, 13:54 pm
@Rugby-1(Rugby-1)-229: really? hehehe
post 218
then
post 223
and then
227…
game, set and match…
your eyes are bloodshot, must be all those tears..
thanks for coming…
8 Jul 2011, 13:57 pm
These c unts at Sanzar are looking to scale to new levels of absurdity. Did they not see who was in team when the Bokke lost 19-0 and 49-0.. did they actually believe that this was the best team SA could assemble.. Are they hell bent on ensuring that the Bokke reflect their Nazi roots.
Time for Bok management to tell these twats that the world has moved on and that that great win in 2005 should not be forgotten.
8 Jul 2011, 13:59 pm
@BringItHomeBoks(bokfan1)-203:
Most games involving the Boks are dirty.
Like Canada Vs Boks in 95 for example.
8 Jul 2011, 14:02 pm
How old ate you pops? It’s Luke talking to a 6 year old – show me 1 post where I said 12 years. Just one post Pops point it out because I can’t see it. Maybe the tears are blinding you
My point was the Boks have done all that in the last few years – repeat few years. Do you know what few means? It means the last 3,4,5 years – the same number as your IQ – not 12 moron! And we have won in NZ twice in the last few years which they haven’t. There now I have spoon fed you again try keep up if you want to talk with the adults
8 Jul 2011, 14:05 pm
@cane(cane)-236: PUH-lease Cane! I know you are trying to wind me up, it aint working. You know that is bullsh1t and the Canada example is a perfect one of teams trying to antagonise the Boks and resorting to dirty tactics to do so.
There is easily as much dirt in every NZ game and A LOT more deliberate cheating (blocking, diving over rucks, offside play, hands in rucks – and thats just Richie!)
8 Jul 2011, 14:10 pm
@cane(cane)-236: We may be dirty but we not cheats.
8 Jul 2011, 14:11 pm
@BringItHomeBoks(bokfan1)-238:
How many other International Teams regularly field 3 convicted Eye-Gougers in their pack.(those charged with and convicted of attacks in and around the eyes)
None!
Ever.
8 Jul 2011, 14:11 pm
Grand Slam hero Stu Wilson says the All Blacks openly resorted to “cheating” on their way to the historic achievement on their 1978 UK tour.
The Graham Mourie-captained team needed a controversial penalty to beat Wales 13-12 in the second test of the tour, a three-pointer Wilson says followed orders for locks Andy Haden and Frank Oliver to dive out of a line-out as if they had been pushed.
TV footage clearly shows Haden diving wildly out of the line-out in the dying moments of the clash at Cardiff Arms Park.
And while Oliver’s fall to the ground was aided by an arm from Welsh lock Geoff Wheel, Wilson said he too was under orders to dive out of the line-out as if he had been pushed.
“It (the penalty) was for Geoff Wheel climbing all over Frank Oliver,” Wilson told Yahoo!Xtra.
“Frank was just a little bit slow on the count.
“On the count of three they were both going to pretend to be pushed out.
“Andy dived out like an Olympic diver and Frank was still trying to count up to three. Frank was a bit slow.
“The thing was, we had talked about it. We all knew it was going to happen.
“So when you talk about it, things happen.
“We beat Wales 13-12. And to be honest we had to cheat with guys diving out of the line-out.
“We milked a penalty and Brian McKechnie nailed it.”
The All Blacks went on to beat England 16-6 and Scotland 18-9 in the remaining tests in the tour.
After the earlier win over Ireland, it provided the All Blacks with their first-ever successful Grand Slam campaign.
8 Jul 2011, 14:13 pm
well John O’Neill and Sanzar welcome to the professional world of sport you stupid retarded f@ckwits. Why don’t the Aussies start fielding full strength scrums in every form of the game so we don’t have to continuously have uncontested scrums when it involves one of their teams.
Seems like the excuses for the world cup are arriving early this year. “The Republic” – sounds like something out of star wars – maybe we should start refferring to them as the “colony” (that old bat in Britain is still yanking their chains isn’t she)
8 Jul 2011, 14:15 pm
@Johnnyblue(johnnyblue)-239:
Suzie.
Hansie,
Caster,
Yeah right.
8)
8 Jul 2011, 14:15 pm
The kiwis be diving long before the Italians in soccer.
8 Jul 2011, 14:16 pm
@cane(cane)-240: need a tissue?
8 Jul 2011, 14:16 pm
Now I get the BMW sponsorship.
These Boks are not build Ford Tough.
8 Jul 2011, 14:18 pm
@cane(cane)-243: wa ha ha ha you can’t win a world cup in 2 decades and you still blaming some kitychen help for it!!!!
8 Jul 2011, 14:19 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-210:
You scared of Bakkies?
8 Jul 2011, 14:20 pm
Still hanging onto Suzi LMAO, it’s so sad but great entertainment – she’s like your security blanket, at least she helps you sleep at night
8 Jul 2011, 14:20 pm
@kevin w(kevin w)-242:
Your SARU signed the friggen Accord Kevvy.
Why sign the thing when you have no intention of honouring it.
Hypocrites, Liars and Perfidious.
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