Blacks cut senior boys
10 Jul 2011
The All Blacks have named a Tri-Nations squad featuring some notable absentees.
The inclusion of Highlanders lock Jarrad Hoeata is dominating the back pages in New Zealand, but the players not in the mix are more interesting. Among those are men previously favoured by Henry – Joe Rokocoko, Neemia Tialata and Luke McAlister.
Furthermore, the duo of Cory Jane and Sitiveni Sivivatu only make the squad as cover for Isaia Toeava (hip), Hosea Gear (hamstring) and Israel Dagg (thigh muscle). The five have, however, done little to aid their cause this season.
With Tony Woodcock still injured, the Crusaders’ impressive prop Wyatt Crockett is included in the group. Corey Flynn, Richard Kahui and Piri Weepu also return after injury ruled them out of contention for last year’s Grand Slam tour to the northern hemisphere. Crusaders wing Zac Guildford receives a recall on the back of a good Super Rugby campaign.
Henry has backed Colin Slade as his deputy to flyhalf Dan Carter, despite two broken jaws forcing him to miss the bulk of the season. This is the most worrying position for the All Blacks, with a massive gulf in quality between the incumbent and his replacements.
Henry said he placed a high premium on winning the Tri-Nations, even though the World Cup is a primary focus.
‘The Tri Nations also remains an important competition for the team this year. We are proud of the record we have achieved over the years and the fact that we have held the Bledisloe Cup since 2003 and it is crucial as we look to build towards the Rugby World Cup,’ he said.
All Black Tri-Nations squad -
Backs: Mils Muliaina, Israel Dagg, Isaia Toeava, Hosea Gear, Zac Guildford, Richard Kahui, Conrad Smith, Sonny Bill Williams, Ma’a Nonu, Dan Carter, Colin Slade, Jimmy Cowan, Andy Ellis, Piri Weepu
Forwards: Kieran Read, Richie McCaw (c), Jerome Kaino, Adam Thomson, Liam Messam, Brad Thorn, Ali Williams, Sam Whitelock, Jarrad Hoeata, Ben Franks, Owen Franks, John Afoa, Tony Woodcock, Keven Mealamu, Corey Flynn, Andrew Hore
Injury replacements: Wyatt Crockett, Cory Jane, Sitiveni Sivivatu, Ben Smith.
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11 Jul 2011, 05:22 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-198:
Yawn, same old same………come up with a new insult doos for brains
11 Jul 2011, 05:25 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-200:
mmmm, also at least the Stormers beat the bleating Blues…………
11 Jul 2011, 05:26 am
@whatever(whatever)-201:
Fresh out of I think, when he resorts to 1970′s retoric he read in books about you know he is at a loss!
11 Jul 2011, 05:47 am
@whatever(whatever)-202: @Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-203: ahhh look at the two pillow biters enjoying each others company..
so tell me whatever, how often do NZ send the ships over to “rape the islands” as Rangerman attests? and Im ignorant, what a laugh…
Rangers comment is just as ignorant, but of course you remain silent dont you pondlife?
as for insults, have you found a new word besides Doos,….its been four years and you still havent expanded your vocabulary, surely NZs dole office will give you a little extra to advance your education..
lord nows you need it…
11 Jul 2011, 05:56 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-204:
Ja Pops, if those insults make you feel any better keep it up.
11 Jul 2011, 06:04 am
Whatever
so the stormers beat the blues, who cares. neither team made the final
good comeback though, one of your very best.
11 Jul 2011, 06:33 am
Ranger, is this how NZ “rapes the islands”?
New Zealand aid funds in the Pacific are being stretched thin and need to have increased focus, according to a Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee report.
The Pacific Inquiry into New Zealand’s Relationships with South Pacific Countries, which has been tabled in Parliament, contained more than 40 recommendations for the Government to consider.
Among the recommendations, the committee called for an increased focus for the $600 million of aid given to the region, saying that efforts were being spread to widely.
It suggested that $100 million of aid funds be channelled through existing trading banks on normal commercial terms to Pacific Islanders with “sound business plans”.
http://www.pina.com.fj/index.php?p=pacnews&m=read&o=15857383514d06c842bf8f30ee0b34&PHPSESSID=
11 Jul 2011, 07:00 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-204:
Jeez, mate have a hernia or what?
Firstly if you want to talk about sticking together, lets talk about wet pantie and you …..you are stuck so far up his ar se it’s not even funny. You can see his tonsils…
You even use his “pondlife” retort…… very original
Also, ranger is ranger, and I don’t take his comments as mine, so reply to him
And yes, I use doos , cause it’s a great description of you
Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos
Said with meaning , now gaan k uk anderkant dude.
11 Jul 2011, 07:01 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-206:
Stormers my team, Blues yours………..just reminding you!
11 Jul 2011, 07:07 am
@whatever(whatever)-208: hey, youre the one who poked his nose in to my reply to ranger, so how about you stay out of what doesnt concern you..
as for the pondlife remark, I couldnt think of a better term for for such a lowlife one eyed ignoramus… so, no comment on the “how many ships” question I asked you? thought so, avoid the issue yet again… guess thats what you get when you poke your nose in huh? look carefully, you’ll see my comment was directed at Ranger, not you… so, suck on them lemons you sourgat…
as for the Stormers, who cares, they looked real good in their semi final just like my team, but at least my team has 3 Super titles, remind me again how many your team has?
what was that? none you say? bwahahahahahahahaha
11 Jul 2011, 07:21 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-210:
Make up your mind Pops, should we chip in or stay out? Can’t have it both way…
PS I will give you a hint, if you talk kuk about SA on a SA blog expect people to comment on it.
11 Jul 2011, 07:32 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-211: two way street Slarti, or do you disagree?
I only ever respond to rubbish said about NZ… cant remember which thread, but one Saffa was happy Chch got hit by the earthquake? WTF?
would you react to that? would you not get your back up when you see comments like that?
11 Jul 2011, 07:38 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-212:
1 saffa now it is all of us.
if you ever come to South Africa I can organise you lots of accom in townships.
11 Jul 2011, 07:48 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-212:
The thing is Pops, this is a SA blog with +90% of posts coming from Saffas. You can’t expect me to even get close to pull every single SA poster up when they say something off. There are a number of posters I ignore and not bother to even read because of lame and over the top stupid comments. don’t ever expect me to pull them up, it is a fulltime job which I did not sign up for. Best is to ignore them and if enough people do it they will go away.
Having said that if you post your over the top rubbish about a country you have never visited and I come across it you can expect me to comment on it. read that however you want but it does mean that I do read your stuff.
For the record, you go back and see if you can find where I insulted you today before you jumped in with some name calling. Don’t go around kicking my dog just because someone else I have never met kicked your dog. It is childish and reflex poorly…
11 Jul 2011, 07:53 am
@Fern(Fern)-213:
Poops won’t go near the townships.
In case he drops the k bomb again.
He will be avoiding the dutchies as well.
Oh well, I guess capo the poodlefucker will have to babysit him.
They can compare notes.
11 Jul 2011, 07:57 am
Fern
says the bloke who generalizes about kiwi woman as dishgustingly as you do
our mothers, sisters etc.
so it’s not just one saffa huh?
11 Jul 2011, 08:30 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-193:
“rocket surgery”
11 Jul 2011, 08:48 am
@ricane(ricane)-217:
Still one of my favorites but the muppits were so eager to fight nobody even picked it up…
11 Jul 2011, 09:47 am
Seeig as the general consensus is that defence wins WC’s how about the following squad of 40 for the WC?
LH: Gurthro/Beast/Coenie or Dean Greyling
HKR: Strauss/Smit/Bismarck
TH: Jannie/Werner/CJ
Locks: Bakkies/Flip/Rossouw/Matfield/Bekker
Loosies: Brussow/Juan Smith/Alberts/Louw/Burger/Johnson/Strauss/Spies/Kankowski/Vermeulen
SH: Fourie du P/Ruan Pienaar/Hougaard
FH: Lambie/Butch/Steyn
Centre: Strauss/Jean/De Jongh/Fourie/Steyn
Wings: Mvovo/JPP/Habana/Basson
FB: Steyn/Daniller/ Viljoen
A team like this might not be a popular choice with most, but they can defend and win the WC
Guthro, Strauss, Jannie, Bakkies, Matfield, Brussow, Juan, Alberts, F du P, Butch, Basson, Strauss, Fourie, JPP, Frans Steyn
Subs: Smit, Bissy, Bekker, Rossouw, Hougaard, Lambie, De Villiers
11 Jul 2011, 09:47 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-210:
Poppa
now why are you wasting your time on this racist, sexist, bottom-feeding pondlife SCUM ?!
What sort of ‘person’ turns up on a blog and feels the need to expand on his lovelife with his “kiwi girlfriend” – to an audience of anon rugby bloggers – only to then turn around and eloquently now call them all “slappers” ? This whilst living in a country that has offered him an opportunity to better himself, as if the scope for that isnt unlimited.
Do you ever read JockBok – an emigrant – slander his adopted nation ?
or SAussie ?
or SodaJoe ?
you wont even find the Master Baiter, Boy George, dissing his gentrified English surrounds.
or countless others in similar positions ?!
Nope, this bottom-feeding teenage pondlife scum has yet to expand his vocabulary beyond the gutter. Because thats where he should have stayed.
11 Jul 2011, 10:45 am
@Cheetah 4 Eva(Cheetah 4 Eva)-219:
Andries Strauss at 12???? Hahahahahahaha Him in a Bok jumper was painful to watch vs Barbarians in 2010.He had a good CC 2010, but no way is he Bok material.De Jongh/F.Steyn/De Villiers even Doppies are better players.
11 Jul 2011, 10:46 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-220: chill boys.gunther and his mates do not represent the voice of 50 million south africans.i guess that you have your fair share of kiwi idiots as well.
11 Jul 2011, 10:58 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-221: That maybe, but he can tackle the **** out of anybody in his channel. Remeber I said based on defence!!
11 Jul 2011, 11:15 am
@Cheetah 4 Eva(Cheetah 4 Eva)-223:
Fair enough but i think your using hyperbole’s to describe Strauss-even his defense.He is solid,very efficient but not a monster tackler like say a Sam Tuitupou or something.Not Bok material period.Dries Scholts and Tiaan Joubert were great defenders but you wouldnt see them anywhere a Bok XV or jumper.Too limited and once you spread the field,his speed is abysmal.Any centre with acceleration can beat him due to that cumbersomeness.He is a solid professional, he did an outstanding job for my Sharks last year for sure.But one CC campaign isnt tantamount to a starting Bok place.
11 Jul 2011, 11:36 am
You’d probably have for the Fiji test the following team for a start.
1.Crockett
2.Mealamu
3.O.Franks
4.Thorn
5.Whitelock
6.Kaino
7.McCaw
8.Read
9.Cowan
10.Carter
11.Gear
12.Nonu
13.Smith
14.Toeava
15.Muliaina
16.Hore
17.Afoa
18.Williams
19.Thomson
20.Weepu
21.Slade
22.Bill-Williams
Full Strength side to hit out against the Fijians.
11 Jul 2011, 11:56 am
My bok WC 30man squad:
15 Gio Aplon / Patrick Lambie
14 JP Pietersen / Bjorn Basson
13 Jaque Fourie / Juan De Jongh
12 Jean De Villiers / Robert Ebersohn
11 Bryan Habana / Lwazi Mvovo
10 Peter Grant / Butch James
9 Fourie Du Preez / Francois Hougaard
8 Duane Vermeulen / Willem Alberts
7 Juan Smith / (Francois Louw or Ashley Johnson)
6 Schalk Burger / Heinrich Brussouw
5 Andries Bekker / Victor Matfield
4 Danie Russouw / Bakkies Botha
3 Jannie Du Plessis / CJ Van Der Linde
2 Bismark Du Plessis / Adriaan Strauss
1 Tendai Mtawarira / Gurthro Steenkamp
11 Jul 2011, 12:00 pm
@gunther is nazi-loving german rent-boy(Valkyrie)-222:
Actually, Gunther happens to be on my ‘Preferred Keo Bloggers’ list and, if anything, adds a far more positive impression of SA here than the vast majority otherwise do. And he MOST CERTAINLY suggests that those descendants of Neanderworld have some hope of sanity amongst the vast throng of Bulls supporters.
11 Jul 2011, 12:01 pm
My bok 30man Tri Nations squad:
15 Patrick Lambie / Riaan Viljoen
14 Bjorn Basson / JP Pietersen
13 Juan de Jongh / Waylon Murray
12 Francois Steyn / Robert Ebersohn
11 Lwazi Mvovo / Rayno Benjamin
10 Morne Steyn / Peter Grant
9 Ruan Pienaar / Sarel Pretorius
8 Ryan Kankowski / Joshua Strauss
7 Ashley Johnson / Dewaldt Potgieter
6 Heinrich Brussouw / Jean Deysel
5 Alistair Hargreaves / Juandre Kruger
4 Danie Russouw / Rynhardt Elstadt
3 CJ Van Der Linde / Werner Kruger
2 Chillyboy Ralepelle / Tiaan Liebenberg
1 Dean Greyling / Coenie Oosthuzyen
11 Jul 2011, 12:05 pm
@CSI:Rugby(CSI:Rugby)-225:
Woodcock will start, he definitely needs gametime and wont be overtly tested vs Fiji. Altho, hopefully he is.
Ali.W also needs to start – his presence and slow return to form is a Major boost to this AB squad. His cherry personality will be so impt as the pressure valve slowly increases. And he’ll teach Whitelock about the whole environment and keep him keen – and hopefully vice versa.
Toeava should only start in Centre or Fb, for injuries. But, again, he needs gametime.
Cant understand Afoas eternal inclusion but he must now be the utility frontrower. Did we see him at hooker this season, after that red herring was thrown to the media earlier this year ?
11 Jul 2011, 12:12 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-227:
you are a gentleman and a scholar.
unlike our four legged friend varkirie who farts_in the face of Darwin.
I would limit my interaction with him to once a day.
any more than that and you risk infection.
11 Jul 2011, 12:15 pm
BP
I thought Toeava played well on the wing on the EOYT. had a blinder against Wales and Scotland on the right flank. Dagg covers the back and is not a bad winger too. Toeava has the speed over most except Guildford. Had Crockett in there thinking Woodcock was still injured. Afoa is a Bolter in my eyes, like Hoeata. Ali Williams, Thorn and Whitelock form a very good locking trio. Talk of Nonu playing wing, rather have Kahui covering the wing spot as well as Centre. Thought Ranger might have made the squad, but all in all, I like this outfit.
11 Jul 2011, 12:22 pm
@CSI:Rugby(CSI:Rugby)-231:
Ranger makes too many mistakes – he was gift-wrapped a chance, and he showed all his tackle-bustling attributes, but carelessly ignored all the disciplinary ones which is what gets you in the squad. You can run thru as many tackles as you like but if your D or positional awareness or your concentration is lacking, then the door is closed – Maitland is a classic case in point, truckloads of tries and yet exposed early in the season on D and never improved. Sivivatu is a classic case – he worked on his D and concentration and suddenly he became a Test fixture.
11 Jul 2011, 12:30 pm
@CSI:Rugby(CSI:Rugby)-231: @Black Panther(Black Panther)-232:
Looks like Cory Jane paid the price of being a Hurricane.
Only two specialists wings in the squad.
NZ have been down this road before:
- playing Cullen at centre.
-playing Mils at centre.
-playing Lochore at lock.
it usually ends in tears.
8)
11 Jul 2011, 12:33 pm
BP
Couldn’t agree more about all the points listed. Throw Rokocoko on that list. I have a great feeling about this forward pack, especially the tight 5. I think Mike Cron has something special for this international season. Tietjens as fitness coach is the smartest move ever. It’s funny watching the news here in Australia about how NZ is worried about the Reds win and the revival of Aussie rugby. Mind games in full effect.
11 Jul 2011, 12:41 pm
Cane,
Not a cane, but being played out of position by Hammett. Best winger on his day but didn’t see anything from him this season, though if he were to be selected on the wing I’d be very happy as well.
11 Jul 2011, 12:46 pm
@cane(cane)-233:
dont forget Ronald MacDonald FB -> Centre
Goldie wing -> FB
lets pray that GH plays whatever combos he has in mind NOW.
I have no doubt Tarzan will be there. He hasnt exactly graced himself in favour tho, the whole stay-go shenanigans and the Twit’a episodes dont fit in to GHs schoolmaster setup.
11 Jul 2011, 12:52 pm
@CSI:Rugby(CSI:Rugby)-234:
Australia, like it or not, are on the right line of the Performance Curve and will be the team to beat come RWC.
The Reds victory is a major fillip for them and so be it, they were great all season. But there is NO correlation betw Super form/results and TriN or RWC glory, too much evidence in support to list here.
Australia DO remind me a bit of NZ 2007 in that they are a young’ish team and over-rely on mercurial talents like Quade and Genia to get them over the line, like ABs did with McCaw & DC. Will be interesting to see whether that is an advantage or a hindrance when theyre at the coalface of BMT.
11 Jul 2011, 12:53 pm
Cane, BP,
I’m sure Ted has enough class to cover all scenarios. Surely a tried and tested team is best. All major positions covered.
11 Jul 2011, 12:59 pm
BP
I still have reservations on their scrums and set pieces. They have the most gifted back line, but as you well know, no forward domination, no front foot ball. I applaud the Reds, deserved victors on the weekend. But agree on the facts of no link between world cup success due to super rugby success, maybe 2007 is an arguement
11 Jul 2011, 15:05 pm
@CSI:Rugby(CSI:Rugby)-238:
In Ted We Trust.
Let’s print it on Our $1.00 bill.
8)
11 Jul 2011, 15:11 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-236:
Ted’s last shot at immortality.
If he has too,
he will go with class bullies, exam cheats and truants.
High School Principle or not.
59 days to High Noon.
11 Jul 2011, 15:55 pm
@cane(cane)-241:
Sure is. Great coach, but his Business Plan still has a few glitches.
Your opinion of him is noted. Lets all hope youre wrong.
If Dingo wasnt Dingo he’d have a little GH-smirk starting to tik….
11 Jul 2011, 16:02 pm
@cane(cane)-241:
flying in the face of public opinion, I suspect that the Crusaders loss might translate in to a good thing for the ABs, not a bad one. Their mindset going in to the RWc must be one of absolute desperation, backs-to-the-wall. Too much cheers-bro success and floss has a tangible downside in a comfy environment. A big scandal could also do the trick, seems to work for the Safas.
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