PdV ‘rewards form’
19 Jul 2011
The Springboks have named four uncapped players in their match 22 to face Australia in Sydney .
There are debuts for props Werner Kruger and Dean Greyling, as well as flank Ashley Johnson, who all start, while scrumhalf Charl McLeod could get his first cap off the bench.
Openside flank Heinrich Brüssow has failed to recover sufficiently from injury to be considered, but Johann Muller has, and starts in the second row. CJ van der Linde, who Springbok coach last week said was a serious injury concern, plays off the wood.
The versatile Danie Rossouw is deployed at blindside flank in a back row that features Johnson and Bulls fetcher Deon Stegmann. In the back division Ruan Pienaar and Morné Steyn run on as the halfback pair, with Wynand Olivier and Juan de Jongh in midfield.
The back three features players with pace to burn in the form of Gio Aplon, Bjorn Basson and Lwazi Mvovo.
Springbok coach Peter de Villiers said: ‘The new caps had outstanding Super Rugby seasons and this is an exciting opportunity for them. They have been rewarded for their form and now it’s up to them. We have got some new combinations, but there is a lot of potential in this side and the players are hungry for this chance.’
The inexperience of the pack is a concern, in particular the two rookie props. However, captain John Smit expressed his utmost confidence in them.
‘They’ll be nervous and I’m pretty sure Australia will want to have a crack at them as well up front,’ he said. “I’m sure they’ll understand that but the boys have stepped up every week in Super 15 so I can’t see it being any different in a Test match.’
The players in the squad to miss out on selections are: Brüssow, Elton Jantjies, Ryan Kankowski, Odwa Ndungane, Coenie Oosthuizen and Adriaan Strauss.
South Africa: 15 Gio Aplon, 14 Bjorn Basson, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Ashley Johnson, 7 Danie Rossouw, 6 Deon Stegmann, 5 Johann Muller, 4 Flip van der Merwe, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 John Smit (c), 1 Dean Greyling.
Subs: 16 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 17 CJ van der Linde, 18 Alistair Hargreaves, 19 Jean Deysel, 20 Charl McLeod, 21 Adi Jacobs, 22 Pat Lambie.
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19 Jul 2011, 18:02 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-442:
“The same argument can be used with Keegan who has taken more ball and carried more than double Stegmann with still a high effeicency ratio of 69%.”
Oh my soul, what is the point of debating with you.
I’ll repeat myself from post#430:
“OK firstly refer to post 426, then
1) It’s not a baseless hypothetical. Saying a player that has FAR FEWER b/d stats like Daniel can be adapted to play like Stegmann is NOT the same as saying Stegmann can run the ball more with a higher g/l % AND speed.
This is not the same at all. Why can’t you see this?”
…..I didn’t even read the rest of you post yet……
19 Jul 2011, 18:03 pm
This is an extremely k*k side.
19 Jul 2011, 18:04 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-451: OMG Agile… I’ve been away on holiday, come back and you are STIIIIILLLLLL talking about Stegmann!
19 Jul 2011, 18:05 pm
going to be v interesting vs wallabies, there is one thing in their favour which is that everyone is expecting the Boks to get a hammering, be bladdy funny if they snatch an upset tho, that will really set the cat amongst the pigeons.
19 Jul 2011, 18:06 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-453:
19 Jul 2011, 18:06 pm
bangkok bok… no it is not the prettiest team ito big names.. but hey-ho….
Meisiekind? last chance i think.
Muller? i don’t know what’s up here. maybe the old man has something to offer.
Basson to leak tries. no man. he will be fine. gotta give the gans ‘n kans here.
Dinosaurus Danie? he was immense in the s15… especially at 7.
Plod? who is that… who you mean? Barney? i’ve said it before… most wanted to write him off pre-2007 wc too… how wrong they were…
Morne Steyn with the B team- yeah burn him out some more!…. no man…he can take it.
these guys are all going to come through.
Smit is not on form… but he has a few things to do before he retires from springbok rugby… watch these guys lift themselves…
how many doubters we had when Os was called back…
if a couple of these young guns play themselves into *new* form for wc… its gonna be crazy
19 Jul 2011, 18:06 pm
@topaz(topaz)-447:
Oh jeez, thanks for that: You will be supporting Steggies and the Boks from your couch on Saturday, how noble of you.
Only for the rest of the year you’ll talk **** and disparage Steggies on an open forum all you can.
19 Jul 2011, 18:07 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-453:
Boet, there is a post in here where I explain what is going on here, it’s more than just about Steggies. I didn’t start it, but it is a good example to use.
19 Jul 2011, 18:11 pm
I am bloody grateful to see Steggies there…..Pocock would of been having a free lunch with a Schalk Burger or Keegan Daniels there I am afraid….
Now he will have to work for his chow.
19 Jul 2011, 18:11 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-442:
Mshini, do I have to break it down for you?
You said that Stegmann’s work rate stats are impressive, then you say that Daniel could do the same amount of work if that was his instructions.
Then I wrote posts 426 and 430, READ those.
It’s still the same fallacy by you and so it will still be the same answer by me.
19 Jul 2011, 18:12 pm
I prefer Stegmann over Daniel for the simple fact that i believe that Stegman is better suited to the tough demands of international rugby. Daniel’s fairy stuff way of playing is more suited to the cc and Vodacom competions.
19 Jul 2011, 18:15 pm
@grant10(grant10)-459:
At least, Grant.
I am glas to see Ashley at 8 and not 7. Flank is where Ashely shone at S15 and not 8, so some raise their concerns, but I am glad because as I wrote last week and the week before that, Ashley hasn’t displayed good support at the b/d, and that will be vital to Stegmann
- otherwize all these morons will be going: “See I told you so! na na na na….” on Sunday.
Anywa, I believe that no that Steggies has recovered from tearing his hamstring last year he will show these ******** a thing or two.
19 Jul 2011, 18:17 pm
WP 2
Bulls 8
sharks 1
cheetahs 2
overseas based 2
Subs:
1 bull
1 WP
5 sharks
now there’s a concomitant stat
19 Jul 2011, 18:18 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-372: lolololol all men are pervy boys.
19 Jul 2011, 18:21 pm
topaz..
ja sarel missed a few tackles. that can be sorted out. should be sorted out. that is why there are coaches I believe.
19 Jul 2011, 18:24 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-462: wont you educate grant on morne a little too please.
so no rugby kenners around. then i’ll have to ask grant. grant, do you believe Jacque Fourie can play 12 ever?
19 Jul 2011, 18:25 pm
@shooter(shooter)-466: JF at 12?
Not a fark imo…
19 Jul 2011, 18:28 pm
@shooter(shooter)-466: and I also will never be convinced with M steyn at 10….or Spies at 8….
19 Jul 2011, 18:32 pm
@grant10(grant10)-467: ja just interested to think about it. probably not in his comfort zone. but it could be an interesting proposition. people move players arond in their teams all the time. but never seen jf put down at 12.
although he played one test at 15 and played wing once or twice.
19 Jul 2011, 18:35 pm
The Wallabies were poor but Jonker already fabricated ‘unlikely results’ before so take it with caution
The Boks Team can be classified as follows:
Past their Sell by Date: Smit, Muller, CJ
Free Loaders: Chiliboy, Jacobs, Gio Aplon, Johnson
Quotas with some merit: Basson, Mvovo
Young guns, the future: Flip van der Merwe, Werner Kruger, Dean Greyling, Pat Lambie, Dyesel
Top performers, the best at their positions: Stegmann, Pienaar, Styen, Rossouw
Still better than any quota you thew at them: Olivier, McLeod
Now bring on Lobert!
19 Jul 2011, 18:37 pm
@shooter(shooter)-465:
1) As far as Sarel is concerned, tackling is a pre-requisite. You’ve got to want to tackle. And Bok rugby is not a finishing school. You have to have all the attributes before being selected.
2) And Jaque won’t make a 12. He doesn’t have quick enough hands, is not a play maker, more of a finisher.
Just my humble opinion.
19 Jul 2011, 18:37 pm
@shooter(shooter)-469: just doesent strike me as a 12 at all…..more a finisher than a creator imo….
19 Jul 2011, 18:38 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-471: snap
19 Jul 2011, 18:40 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-470: stop your racist kak man…..you really need to catch a wake up.
19 Jul 2011, 18:41 pm
@grant10(grant10)-468:
i dont think you’ll ever be convinced of anything.
always stressing and worrying and nervous.
morne is about 480 times the player peter grant is. but you’re convinced he is not.
nobody is convinced on spies’s form. but before he suffered his latest confidence collapse, he was a brilliant player. and late in the S15 he has become much better.
in 2007 the boks pitched up fitter and and more prepared than anybody was expecting.. i’m banking on them doing the same this time.
the other teams was probably also fit.. but we had something else going… don’t really know what it was.. but we were fit and … let’s call it fresh i.e not overtrained/ over exercised.
our boys, including the hateable
Mr. Smit are going there on the same plan. mark my cliche
19 Jul 2011, 18:42 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-460:
Mine is no fallacy no more than yours isnt in your eyes.
Spell that out for yourself and you still wont see fallacy.
19 Jul 2011, 18:49 pm
@shooter(shooter)-475: i agree the boks will be refreshed and super fit….they have no excuses….Spies has been a huge dissapointment…..Plod should of walked end of 2009….and M Steyn is far too 1 dimensional….
I feel we have got it right with B James apparently the main man at 10….
And I am hoping sanity will prevail and Bissy will start when it counts….
And surely on the slower grounds an alternate 8 will be chosen.
19 Jul 2011, 18:49 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-462:
I hope come Staurday Steggies repays your praise. And no bs about him not being in A side etc because the likes of Johnson which you are using these Tests as measuring stick to gauge their readyness for international rugby,use the same for Deon Stegmann.(which you alluded to before)
Use the appropriate standards for all not just those benefitting your point of view or agenda choose whichever suits you.
19 Jul 2011, 18:51 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-471: and grant10
maybe.
i’ve seen him make some awesome cover tackles though. and it is not as if he missed all the tackles he was asked to make. maybe there is something wrong with his positioning in the tackle, his reading of play. surely it is not a commitment issue.
all things considered – i still rate him above mcleod.
wrt to JF13. i’m sure he is not the best 12. and generalling the defense and all that from 13 won’t translate too well at 12… sure… just wanted to know some views on it.
19 Jul 2011, 18:55 pm
Come Saturday I will be supporting Stegmann and the rest of the Boks vs OZ.hope he does well even though I hold my reservations about his abilities as a player.I do believe he is the SECOND best true opensider along with Frans Louw.
Have no personal vendetta against the bloke,met his father at Heathrow airport the day after England test last year-decent man.
But I dont have blinkers on regarding his ability.
19 Jul 2011, 18:55 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-476:
Mshini, I’m going to start ignoring you if you cannot keep up with the debate….
What position did you play? It’s far harder to get around to the rucks and do something properly there than it is getting yourself into position to carry or be part of a defensive line for that matter.
There are ALWAYS more rucks than a player can get to.
Saying a player with half the b/d total of Stegmann but double the carries can adapt his game to play such a role at test level with that wrok rate when he hasn’t demonstrated it at allthe last couple of years is NOT THE SAME as saying Stegmann can carry the ball more and well with a 79% gainline success to Daniel’s 69%. On top of that Stegmann is a faster sprinter than Daniel.
This is not a case of apples and oranges when talking about these two players who have been compared for one specific role outside of their home unions- which is similar to that in which Stegmann is already been used at the Bulls. Not to mention that he now has a fair amount of familiar Bulls faces around him in the pack.
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To put it another way Mshini:
Stegmann can be easily adapted to play the way Keegan does. Keegan CANNOT be easily adapted to play the way Stegmann does, and he hasn’t displayed anything to suggest otherwise.
Do you now understand? Because I’m tired of dwelling on this one point while people complain that I mention Stegmann too much.
19 Jul 2011, 19:01 pm
@grant10(grant10)-477: one dimensional.
if there ever was a stop-word to cover and discredit any-one, in rugby terms, that is the word.
in reality, only one or two players have not been one-dimensional in their lifetime. like Stegmann.
19 Jul 2011, 19:07 pm
Fuckit but some of this **** is funny.
The only similarity between Steggies and Daniel is that both are classed as loosies. Other than that, completely different players yet 300 posts debate the merits of one over the other!
19 Jul 2011, 19:10 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-483: what’s your feelings on this weekends game?
19 Jul 2011, 19:16 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-484:
For the Boks, combinations are going to be a problem especially roles in the tight lose.
In all six combinations we are playing guys that have not played together for ages so it all depends on how well their preparation went and how quickly they gelled.
However, we have a pack of forwards and halfback combination that can dominate set phases and dictate the pace of the game. Boks will always only win this one ugly if at all, but its not going to be vintage stuff this.
Win your own set pieces, get parity in open play contact, and the Boks can win this – but allow these buggers time and space on the ball, and it can get ugly.
19 Jul 2011, 19:19 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-484:
For the Aussies, I think Deans dug himself a bit of a hole here potentially. Quade was used primarily as fullback on defense and flyhalf on attack for the Reds – but with Beale at fullback, I don’t think he can do the same here. Unless he brings James O’Bieber in to flyhalf on defense and Cooper to wing…
But allow Genia and Cooper space and time on the ball, and Boks will be in ****.
19 Jul 2011, 19:21 pm
Samoa physically hurt the Aussies in contact, if we can manage the same with our set pieces holding up, Aussies might well be embarrassed twice in two weeks!
19 Jul 2011, 19:27 pm
why did the guys at supersport highlight the fact that stegmann had ‘conceded 18 penalties this season’? Bloody biased plonkers!
How come i’ve never seen meyer bosman’s ‘missed tackles’ stat, i’m sure it would be astronomical! Just on saturday in the currie cup he made 9 tackles & missed 5
19 Jul 2011, 19:29 pm
@ keo.
nothing to lose. new almost everybody. we’re going to slaughter them.
19 Jul 2011, 19:30 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-485:
I said a similar thing on the other thread earlier today that it’ll be guts and glory that will see us through. But can’t see it happening.
There are a few combinations that assist us. Such as:
1 and 3 from the Bulls
6 and 7 from the Bulls
10 and 12 again from the….
I’m looking for positives here.
And in the 2nd half we could have:
Lambie at 10
JDJ moving to 12
Adi coming in at 13.
And the back 3 look very exciting.
I’m sure the Boks won’t die wondering.
They all understand the significance of this match and the tour in general.
19 Jul 2011, 19:30 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-483:
Notice some are comparing the two players that are candidates for one position at the Boks.
Now what is wrong with that?
19 Jul 2011, 19:31 pm
exactly.
slaughter then laughter.
19 Jul 2011, 19:36 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-485:
With players like: Greyling, Kruger, Flip, Danie and Stegmann, even if the Aussies win, they are going to know they were in a fight.
I think we have enough “grofgeskud” among the forwards pummel the Wallabies into submission and to make it.
19 Jul 2011, 19:37 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-490:
Comes down to synergy, and unfortunately we are not privy to that (the fact) if it was achieved in such a short space. Not writing the Boks off but there is a very good chance to record a win here.
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-491:
I did, and just for that fact (the comparison) it is laughable! Steggies and Daniel are completely different players with different strengths.
Daniel is a Luke Watson type linking (hybrid) loosie, Steggies should not be seen in a match as he should be at the bottom of every ruck.
Ridiculous.
Perhaps the best would be to ‘classify’ loosies of today as either a ‘hybrid’ loosie, or specialist.
19 Jul 2011, 19:38 pm
i AGREE WITH pa ….IT IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE TO COMPARE steggmann with keegan, they are so different type players….
Keegan definitley more suited as an 8 imo…..even though a bit small….keegan not a fetcher type in the true sense of the word…
19 Jul 2011, 19:38 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-493:
I am feeling strangely confident, it all depends on how the combo’s gel
19 Jul 2011, 19:38 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-494: see my 495…snap
19 Jul 2011, 19:39 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-496: wish I could say the same…..all the new combos….
but heat firmly on aussies
19 Jul 2011, 19:43 pm
@grant10(grant10)-497:
Agreed
@grant10(grant10)-498:
Aussies favourites for sure, we have not won there for a long time…
19 Jul 2011, 19:47 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-494:
I’ll take a specialist over an excuse for a ultility anyday.
3 and 6 need specialists- who also happens to be a team’s primary cleaners. Go figure…
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