Mostert, Deysel start for Boks
28 Jul 2011
Peter de Villiers has made four changes to his starting line-up for the Springboks’ next Tri-Nations clash against the All Blacks in Wellington.
Lock Gerhard Mostert, who was a late injury replacement for Flip van der Merwe, has been rushed into the second row to make his Test debut this Saturday. Blindside flank Jean Deysel is also promoted to a shuffled loose trio, with Danie Rossouw shifting to No 8 and Ashley Johnson falling to the bench. Deon Stegmann keeps his No 6 jumper.
The other two changes are to the backline, with outside centre Adi Jacobs replacing Wynand Olivier in the midfield and Juan de Jongh picked at inside centre. Fullback Pat Lambie fills in for the injured Gio Aplon, who returned home with Van der Merwe on Wednesday.
South Africa – 15 Pat Lambie, 14 Bjorn Basson, 13 Adi Jacobs, 12 Juan de Jongh, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Morne Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Danie Rossouw, 7 Jean Deysel, 6 Deon Stegmann, 5 Alistair Hargreaves, 4 Gerhard Mostert, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 John Smit (c), 1 Dean Greyling.
Subs: 16 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 17 CJ van der Linde, 18 Ryan Kankowski, 19 Ashley Johnson, 20 Charl McLeod, 21 Wynand Olivier, 22 Odwa Ndungane.
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28 Jul 2011, 09:42 am
funnily enough deysel according to you offers nothing tac, oh knowledgable one
ya swaer a can of the best
28 Jul 2011, 09:42 am
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-89:
did he give you the same pain in 2009?
28 Jul 2011, 09:44 am
@BullDog15(BullDog15)-80:
It wasn’t Pienaar choice to begin with remember?
That’s part of the reason why he buggered off.
SA is famous among the top tier nations for playing guys out of position.
No wonder we find patches in the international season where all of a sudden the entire team dips in form and then people are dumbfounded.
(Espcially relevant among the halfbacks, 2009 we had a halves paring that knew eachother like the back of their hand – or as Bakkies would say: ” I knew him even better than he own wife”
But there you have it. Look what we achieved in 2009).
28 Jul 2011, 09:46 am
Which are the best rugby sites with worthy articles and journalism in NZ and Oz ?
28 Jul 2011, 09:46 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-101:
Deysel is slow, and his strength is overrated. Alberts is a souped up version of Deysel in all respects – better handling, better ball carrier, more mobile, more difficult to bring down and better defender.
Deysel is a bit of a plodder. That’s why I prefer Johnson over him.
Anyway, the only benefit this team will have is maybe with one game behind them they will have better defensive cohesion. The Wallabies scored about 3 tries solely due to lack of a defensive pattern, not due to individual defensive weaknesses.
If we can eliminate that alone, we should be three tries better than last week. However, the other weaknesses I’ve identified will probably cancel that gain out – if Muir has managed to do some proper defensive training in the first place during the last week, rather than boozing it up in some Kiwi pub.
28 Jul 2011, 09:47 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-98:
NO they don’t. And don’t try to pretend they do.
Don’t worry, it’s not your fault.
28 Jul 2011, 09:51 am
Better combinations in this outfit.
Notably a better 10-12 axis, and a better centre combo.
Tight 5 still a concern for me.
28 Jul 2011, 09:51 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-105: is that why he last week was about the only one to cross the advantage line??
28 Jul 2011, 09:52 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-103:
Are we really that famous for playing guys out of position?
What is Australia’s viewpoint on versatility?
28 Jul 2011, 09:53 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-106: yes they do
lets start with SMit?? noone yes noone has even had to endure the bashing he has
so the pretending is from your side
28 Jul 2011, 09:53 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-97:
28 Jul 2011, 09:53 am
@funkyzoo(funkyzoo)-10:
Yes but the selections go hand in hand with what strategy is going to be employed on defence and attack…
For one we cant adopt a flatter formation on attack because Boks coaches have stuck to selecting Morne Steyn and Pienaar. Morne isnt adept at playing flat and kicks away ball aimlessly along with Pienaar who takes too long at clearing ball for the base of ruck-no quick ball thus rendering any chance of flatter attacking formation obsolete.
The inside out defence relies a lot on stopping runners behind the gain line and that where our forwards have to front up to kill momentum and backs have to call effectively which channels/men they are marking because one thing the formation is susceptible to is speed on the outside if inside isnt checked-much like Wynand Olivier last week didnt vs Cooper.Relies on trust,communication….Hope the current midfield is better at that than last week.
Loose trio is very cumbersome with BOTH Rossouw/Deysel there.I know we are trying to lay forward platform and physicality but if our breakdown is poor and Morne/Pienaar kick away possession-we are going to be in for a long day.
28 Jul 2011, 09:54 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-105: johnson that never hit one ruck?? go look at the stats
2 players to make the most yards
deysel and kanko , well and russouw, alough russouw played the full 80 min ,kanko and deysel only around 24 min
28 Jul 2011, 09:55 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-108:
maybe you forgot to put your 3d glasses on when you watched the game?
28 Jul 2011, 09:56 am
@Charlie(Charlie)-111:
28 Jul 2011, 09:56 am
@deon stegmann just released his autobiography – deon stegmann the legend…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-114:
28 Jul 2011, 09:56 am
@deon stegmann just released his autobiography – deon stegmann the legend…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-114: actually nope boet, stats cant lie
28 Jul 2011, 10:00 am
@Griqua_warrior(willievz)-109:
In the backline?
Apart from the halfbacks?
No mate… just not the same.
28 Jul 2011, 10:01 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-112:
At least we are playing a quick 12 next to a deeper 10. And quick 12s love a little bit more room to get to the advantage line.
And a stepping De Jongh at 12, with an ability to attack the weaker shoulder of the defender in front of him due to his ability to step off both feet, will get to the advantage line quicker from a deeper position than Olivier.
28 Jul 2011, 10:01 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-110: plod deserves all the bashing he gets….bloody useless hasbeen
28 Jul 2011, 10:04 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-118:
Australia will find a spot for their most talented backline players in any given backline.
Why are the O’Connors of the world capable and satisfied with playing where he is required, but the Pienaars of the world moan and see it as their right to play where they feel?
28 Jul 2011, 10:05 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-110:
Except for Smit of course.
Look, die hoogste bome?
Smit is captain, expect criticism.
In 2009 he had the best season ever, many expected him to retire, and he even published his autobiography, and judging by soome of the thing therein people were REALLY saying, OK, he’s gonna retire.
A lot stems from that.
As you can see I never criticized him and jumped on the band wagon.
But, really, it is not anywher near the unfair criticism that Steggies, Steyn, Olivier, Spies, and now Kruger, and even Fourie sometimes,and Danie etc all get. Hell how bad was the criticism against Matfield last year? And also earlier this year.
Not even to mention Bakkies the supposed THUG!
Not the smae. Not even close. The Blue Bull is a hated species.
28 Jul 2011, 10:05 am
@grant10(grant10)-120: rubbish
28 Jul 2011, 10:06 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-122:
* same…and all other spelling errors…
28 Jul 2011, 10:06 am
Shame you have to feel for these guys! Before their careers even start some will end. How they throw these talents to the wolves is beyond comprehension. No one is putting up their hands for selection, believe you me.
28 Jul 2011, 10:08 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-122: boet i have not even come close to naming all the sharks players that gets bashed on here
but i do agree , bulls do take a bashing on here
i for one am not one for bashing any players
they dont choose themselves
,
28 Jul 2011, 10:09 am
grant10 – Team does look a bit more balance, we are talking levels of balancing here of course!!
I don’t know why RP kicks so much as he does have an element of flair in his game!! If the players can tackle better this Saturday then the score hopefully won’t go too high, as we are still talking damage limitation here.
On my Lord, SBW is going to have JDJ/ADI for breakfast!!
28 Jul 2011, 10:09 am
@Griqua_warrior(willievz)-121:
I hear you. But don’t tinker with the player who plays the position where he handles the ball the most.
A team revolves around the scrummie.
We have a player here who comes onto the scene a scrummie, some fullback, and is the Tiger Woods of fly halfs and what not.
Shame.
He should be grateful to wear the G&G even if they stick him in the front row, but you still need to keep up with the needs of players as coach and manager in the professional game.
28 Jul 2011, 10:09 am
You play internationals to win, anything less is futile. Don’t come with this positive or that positive. Obviously Snor doesn’t know about the camp happening, so maybe they are planning a coodatata. Wishful thinking of course.
28 Jul 2011, 10:10 am
Plod….M Steyn….Spies….
There are the problems…..
28 Jul 2011, 10:11 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-113:
Johnson is better than Deysel
Im a sharks fan but Deysel/Rossouw in same tri is overkill….Think Bulls/Sharks at KingsPark….(Alberts/Deysel overkill in physicality that day)
The is no skill in that trio,no link and once hit back in tackle Deysel is ineffective.Johnson should be at 8,Danie at lock
28 Jul 2011, 10:11 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-126:
JA ag wat.
Nevermind about it. It is silly.
I didn’t mean so much on here as…EVERYWHERE.
But nevermind, luckily they don’t analyse and select Boks.
28 Jul 2011, 10:12 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-127: how can he?? (SBW)? he aint even playing
centers are nanu and smith
28 Jul 2011, 10:14 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-131: lets agree to dissagree as we only hit rucks effectively when deysel came on
its not only about defence and ball carrying
28 Jul 2011, 10:14 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-131:
exactly, this loose trio lacks a ball carrier.
28 Jul 2011, 10:14 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-132: true
28 Jul 2011, 10:15 am
@Gunther is at camp Snordraad(gunther)-135: lets go look at last weeks match and see who the ball carrier was?? it was deysel
russouw should have been lock , and kanko or johnson loose forward
28 Jul 2011, 10:16 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-122:
only the losers hate the winners i guess.
28 Jul 2011, 10:16 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-127: it is going to be tough, especially the last 25 minutes…
Boks need to get desperate from minute 1 …..literally need to fight for there lives…..anything than a 110 % commitment and effort will be too little…
it is no use in analysing this bunch too much imo….i actually feel for them….they must be brave and do there best…..it is all we can ask for…
what hurt last week is the boks were not up for a fight….that was sad to see…
28 Jul 2011, 10:16 am
also go see the missed tackles by johnson
2nd in that stat only to basson
28 Jul 2011, 10:17 am
@deon stegmann just released his autobiography – deon stegmann the legend…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-138: i see bulls supporters doing their fair share of hating on here
28 Jul 2011, 10:18 am
Much better side than last week. BUT we once again have our best fh now playing at fb? Damn it was unfortunate for Aplon to pick up that injury. I feel Lambie would have finally started this week at fh if Aplon was still here to play fb.
Well deserved start for Deysel. Thought he was our best loosie last week.
All the best to Mostert as well. Played superb against the Bulls now hope he produces the same on Saturday.
Anyhow just have to hope.
Good luck our brave young Bokkies…
28 Jul 2011, 10:19 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-134:
That coincided with period where Wallabies took foot of the pedal and made a number of substitution.Game was dead and buried by then to a large extent. Smit moved to 1 later in game and scrum looked better so should we start him at 1???
Just think it physicality overkill and lack in speed big time.And with Ab’s likely to play trio of Kaino,McCaw,Thompson/Messam……Ja ne….
28 Jul 2011, 10:19 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-133:
well, to be fair he is on the bench.
28 Jul 2011, 10:20 am
@deon stegmann just released his autobiography – deon stegmann the legend…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-138: good example is tacitus
let me tell you this , last week the 2 bulls props were shocking , stats prove this too , and i aint hating on them at all , they young and still inexperienced
but had it been beast and jannie playing that poorly?? they would have been slaughtered in here
28 Jul 2011, 10:20 am
M Steyns wc hopes hanging by a thread…..he will know this….will be intersting to see how he responds….I know PDV has never really rated him
28 Jul 2011, 10:21 am
Would have had Odwa start instead of Basson. Even if Odwa is slower he will play better than Basson. Basson great under the high ball, but his defence is just really woeful.
28 Jul 2011, 10:21 am
@Puma(Puma)-142: also wish Lambie was at 10…
28 Jul 2011, 10:22 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-143: they never took their foot off anything
come now Mshin , just like any supporter you have ur favourites , and deysel aint one of them
i dont agree with you re him at all
look at who is doing the dirty work dude , not everyone in the team must be flair players
go look at the ruck stats and see who was doing the hard yards
28 Jul 2011, 10:22 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-145: Agree totally.
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