Mostert, Deysel start for Boks
28 Jul 2011
Peter de Villiers has made four changes to his starting line-up for the Springboks’ next Tri-Nations clash against the All Blacks in Wellington.
Lock Gerhard Mostert, who was a late injury replacement for Flip van der Merwe, has been rushed into the second row to make his Test debut this Saturday. Blindside flank Jean Deysel is also promoted to a shuffled loose trio, with Danie Rossouw shifting to No 8 and Ashley Johnson falling to the bench. Deon Stegmann keeps his No 6 jumper.
The other two changes are to the backline, with outside centre Adi Jacobs replacing Wynand Olivier in the midfield and Juan de Jongh picked at inside centre. Fullback Pat Lambie fills in for the injured Gio Aplon, who returned home with Van der Merwe on Wednesday.
South Africa – 15 Pat Lambie, 14 Bjorn Basson, 13 Adi Jacobs, 12 Juan de Jongh, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Morne Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Danie Rossouw, 7 Jean Deysel, 6 Deon Stegmann, 5 Alistair Hargreaves, 4 Gerhard Mostert, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 John Smit (c), 1 Dean Greyling.
Subs: 16 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 17 CJ van der Linde, 18 Ryan Kankowski, 19 Ashley Johnson, 20 Charl McLeod, 21 Wynand Olivier, 22 Odwa Ndungane.
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28 Jul 2011, 10:23 am
@grant10(grant10)-148: Ja, me too bud.
28 Jul 2011, 10:23 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-141:
well, again, you have to admit its a little different when a winner says he hates to be a loser, no?
28 Jul 2011, 10:24 am
@Puma(Puma)-150: good morning bro , you well??
to me the loose trio should have been
kanko
delsel and steggmann
28 Jul 2011, 10:24 am
@deon stegmann just released his autobiography – deon stegmann the legend…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-152:
28 Jul 2011, 10:27 am
@grant10(grant10)-146: watch MSteyn rip the kiwis to shreds with his Heyneke Meyer-stifled running game!
28 Jul 2011, 10:27 am
@grant10(grant10)-146:
hooray! bravo, bravo! (clap, clap, clap) please take a bow.
funniest comment of the day award goes tooo…..
28 Jul 2011, 10:28 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-153: agree with that loose trio…
28 Jul 2011, 10:28 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-155:
28 Jul 2011, 10:29 am
well with the resources available I cant complain too much about this team. For once they actually have the selections more or less spot on. Kudos to them. Dont know if we´ll get a different result as the team has been weakened significantly by the injuries to Brussouw, Aplon and Flip but they should be a bit more of a handful. To the *** Tyrant – I will be watching Stegmann closely. I still think playing him at 6 is a problem but at least with Deysel on the other side there is a bit more grunt. Would have played Johnson at 8 and put Danie in lock for Hargreaves to strenghten the unit a bit. But hey thats me.
28 Jul 2011, 10:29 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-149: ruck stats mean sweet buggerall, if ruck stats were the bizniz then stegmann was the best bok on the field.
28 Jul 2011, 10:30 am
@deon stegmann just released his autobiography – deon stegmann the legend…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-138:
Yeah, cos the winners go home and *hug the Prom Queen.
28 Jul 2011, 10:31 am
@JamesNkomo(JamesNkomo)-1: All I can say bud is he cant possibly do worse than Olivier did. I think with De Jongh at 12 we stand more chance of getting some go forward in the game and Jacobs coming off his inside is a far more appealing prospect than Wynand not passing to anyone.
28 Jul 2011, 10:31 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-153: Yes would have been better. But I would have gone with: Kano, Johnson (I know he was not great last week but would be better at 7. Would have given him another chance to play there) Deysel at 6. Deysel would play better there than Stegmann. Stegmann was no where at all last week. I had another look at our game he was just not in it at all.
Would have gone with Odwa at FB and let Lambie play fh. Or even let Odwa play wing. Basson and Morne just can’t tackle. Also with JdJ and Adi there damn man, wish Lambie was starting at FH. Let Pienaar start at fb then he has played there and bring on McLeod.
Nothing to lose to try out different players this week. We gonna get a bloody hiding no matter that. So let us see who can do what.
28 Jul 2011, 10:31 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-160: nope
as he goes to scavenge and not clean out rucks
big diffs
to different jobs as a loose forward
28 Jul 2011, 10:32 am
Lambie should have been 10. 10 was the weak link last week until Lambie came on.
28 Jul 2011, 10:32 am
world cup hopes hanging on by a thread…?
haaaagh…
28 Jul 2011, 10:33 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-149:
Dude it really has less to do with favourites and more what is in store for us.Deysel as powerful as he is,is slow.And with both him and Danie in loose trio it doesnt bode well for us
And you cant really for one second think the wallabies were playing with same gusto,momentum and efficiency as the first 60 mins or so??? Their pattern went out the window in last 20 mins,ball recycling and efficiency was less impressive and game was won already.The set pieces even Boks got parity with Smit at PROP.Handling errors crept up and territory decreased and half backs kicked more than when in 1st half they ran two 80m tries.Took foot of pedal mate,multiple substitutions too.
And that has nothing to do with favouritism
28 Jul 2011, 10:33 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-161: die ouens verstaan lyk dit my nie wat n fetcher is(stegmann) and die losgemaal skoonmaak en bal dra (deysel) is nie
2 verskullende dinge
28 Jul 2011, 10:33 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-160:
Whole businesses are centred around these kind of stats for a reason.
It is not the be-all and end-all, but they do indicate that Stegmann worked harder than any other player. Not “invisible” as some poor uninformed individuals claim, for whatever their reasons may be.
28 Jul 2011, 10:34 am
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-162: Agree and if Lambie was at fh with JdJ and Adi there we would be a lot better. Now we have our best fh that is on this tour at fb. Pity Aplon got injured. Should have started with Ruan at fb and Lambie to fh. Odwa at wing cause at least he can tackle even if he is slower than Basson.
Anyhow just have to wish these young brave Boks all the best. Cause they gonna be playing a powerful team this week. Better than last week. Our defence was absolutely useless last week.
28 Jul 2011, 10:35 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-167: lets agree to dissagree, as russouw for me should have played lock, he is not a better 7 then deysel , or a better 8 then kanko or johnson
he is however a lock
28 Jul 2011, 10:35 am
What is it they say … ‘you get lies, damn lies and then stats.’
Someone pasted a link to an article here in this week where they had barnacle smits states.
‘JS hit 12/13 rucks’ .. something to that extend. I have a big problem when the word ‘hit’ gets used in this instant.
More accurately it should read:
JS waddled to 12/13 rucks.
Of those he went to rest against 9 of them being totally ineffective in any way, in about 3/4 of them he actually put his head in and it actually looked like he was trying to do something in 1 or 2 of them.
28 Jul 2011, 10:35 am
Morning all!
Ok so here’s my 10 c worth:
Kanko should play at 8. He’s a good player, in form, perfectly suited to counter the NZ runners.
Morne/Lambie should alternate roles. On attack they should employ Pat at 10. He offers everything that Morne is criticised for.
Morne to drop back in the pocket to take long range field position kicks. No reason why Morne can’t play 15 and sweep at the back. He’s no slower than lambie, and he’ll have more time which is what he craves to be effective. We won’t have a lot of front foot forward ball so he won’t get much time at 10, forcing him back in the line, basically everything that he’s been criticsed for last week (and before)
And he can take the goal kicks. Problem solved, not without risk but at this stage it may just be a stroke of genius.
So Loosies:
6 Stegman
7 Deysel
8 Kanko
Danie to 5, Alistair to the bench. He doesn;t deserve to play again after last week IMO,
Johnson to the bench, but he could also have played 7 with deysel on the bench, but this week let’s give Jean a go.
Adi in for WO with JDJ switching to 12: I’ve been a long time critic of Adi, as most on this site know, but WO just looked terrible at 12 last week. Deserves to get dropped, and this is the only centre option that then can work. Good luck to them both, if Adi proves me wrong I’ll be happy to be so.
So with what we have, this is what i would have done.
28 Jul 2011, 10:36 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-165: Yeah if you want to talk about better combos I would probably have played 9 McCleod 10 Lambie and 15 Ruaan Pienaar. Now that looks more threatening by far. But in all honesty I think Steyn is getting his last run before PDV chooses his WC flyhalf and its not looking good for Steyn.
28 Jul 2011, 10:37 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-168:
Wel, die losskrums.
Definitief, hulle sal jou vertel dat hy nie ‘n “fetcher” se gat werd is nie aangesien hy so min bal op sy eie steel. Dit is nie die baljagter se hoof doel nie- sy belangrikste werkie.
Ek voel nie altyd lus om saam te praat nie, want dis nie saampraat nie, dis saamstry.
28 Jul 2011, 10:38 am
@Puma(Puma)-163: bro with present personel there i would have gone with pienaar at 10 and still played lambie at 15
lambie is a better 15 then pienaar , pienaar is a very good 10 too a,d if one looks at last weeks stats defensively far better the steyn too
pienaar atleast also stands quite flat thus attacking options beter
mcleod is not a bad scrummy but he also is very good defensively
28 Jul 2011, 10:39 am
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-162:
yep, it can either go really better or it can go really worse. its a coin toss to be honest and which side it lands on we’ll find out come sat.
28 Jul 2011, 10:40 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-175: presies
28 Jul 2011, 10:40 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-173:
good analysis stormersnerd.
28 Jul 2011, 10:41 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-161:
love the hugs hehe
28 Jul 2011, 10:41 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-173: Pretty spot on – agree with most of those assesments but would rather play Johnson and Deysel at 6 and 7 than Stegmann – I relaly feel he brings very little to the side.
28 Jul 2011, 10:41 am
@Paws(Paws)-172:
Guys, guys, guys, come on.
I already said numerous times that the stats aren’t the be-all and end-all.
Stats can be important, you know.
For example, Statistics show that 1 in 20 of us live next door to a convicted paedophile, not me though, I live next door to two stunning 12-year olds.
28 Jul 2011, 10:42 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-164:
How much ball did he manage to slow down because the Waalabies had quick ball almost at will.
Had one turnover/penatly won
in all the 42 rucks he attended,and he isnt there to clean rucks as you say-fine,then what positive contribution was there barring ATTENDING the rucks.Because he sure didnt turnover nor slow down Ozzie ball as his primary job as you have annointed. Please shed some light.
(Jacques Botes-stats king- also attends plenty rucks for the Sharks when he plays,way more than Keegan I bet.But who is the better player? Who is starting for the Sharks?)
28 Jul 2011, 10:43 am
Good changes made.
28 Jul 2011, 10:44 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-176: Think this would have been a great opportunity for Lambie to start at 10. Especially with JdJ and Adi there. What a great pity Aplon got injured.
I would still have gone with Lambie at 10 this week bro and let Pienaar start at fb. Pienaar was not great at scrumhalf last week. Would have given McLeod a start there if Lambie started at 10. Would have been the ideal starters.
9 – McLeod
10 – Lambie
11 – Mvovo
12 – JdJ
13 – Adi
14 – Odwa
15 – Pienaar
Much better backline that I think. Though I know Lambie is terrific under the high ball, very safe hands at fb. But damn man, wanted him to play fh this week. Morne just gonna get us into a mess again at fh.
28 Jul 2011, 10:44 am
@Puma(Puma)-170: Yeah spot on or as Stormers Boy suggested Lambie to flyhalf and Morne Steyn to fullback. In some ways I almost think he´d be a better fullback than most. He has good positional play when receiving kicks, he can execute the trickier tactical kicks from the back and still kick for goal. Defence is still suspect after last weekend and perhaps if he wasnt at flyhlaf and had more space at the back he would play slightly more attacking rugby.
28 Jul 2011, 10:44 am
@Gunther is at camp Snordraad(gunther)-179: Shank you very mush.
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-181: i’d be inclined to give Stegman another chance just to really see if he can offer something at 6. there’s a good chance we won’t have an alternative there, but ja, it’s not like he did well last week, but then he’s not alone there.
28 Jul 2011, 10:46 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-183: i did say lets agree to dissagree as i do not agree with you assesment of deysel
28 Jul 2011, 10:46 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-173:
Pretty much exactly how I would have it as well.
28 Jul 2011, 10:47 am
@Puma(Puma)-185: Agreed
28 Jul 2011, 10:48 am
on paper the al blacks should score at least 50 but after readding Bassons interview – i started of LOLing then but by the time i got to the end i was starting to believe that the boks could put up a fight this time.
Seems like the players know what they have to do to win… whether they’ll do those things is another story
28 Jul 2011, 10:48 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-160:
Ndoda ukhuluma iqiniso lapho.Kade busetsheziswa amaStats kodwa hhay ngisho kanye sitshengiswe ukuthi uphumelelile yini kulawo ma42 breakdowns.
manje usezama ukubalekela lowo mbuzo
28 Jul 2011, 10:49 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-173:
i would add to that mcloed at 9 (just for a start to see what he brings, or at least bring him off the bench at some point) because ruan just give me heartbreak every time. johnson could fill in for either kanko or deysel, so yeah.
28 Jul 2011, 10:50 am
@Puma(Puma)-185:
With you on that backline.Plus while it looks more Sharks than anything they at least have played in tandem and should know it other better.
28 Jul 2011, 10:51 am
Looks like weather is fine in Wellington as well. Bit cold and maybe some showers on Saturday but not too much to be concerned with.
Weatherman Pete, over and out.
28 Jul 2011, 10:51 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-192:
Wow, there’s a lot of zeds in there. (compared to Afrikaans).
28 Jul 2011, 10:52 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-164: dude, aussies counter-rucked us to shreds the whole game, deysel might’ve attended and “cleaned out” plenty ruck but it didn’t translate to us slowing their ball or even turning it over. so how EFFECTIVE was he?
how many penalties did we win because our loosies were dominating the breakdown?
28 Jul 2011, 10:53 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-182:
ja, but are they boys or girls hehe
28 Jul 2011, 10:53 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-173: Good post M. Yeah also thought Danie should have moved over to 5. He can do the calls (a old timer) being with the Boks for years now.
Well I think with Deysel there Stegmann probably will play a lot better this week. But my loosies would have been: Kanko – Johnson and Deysel. Johnson was not great last week at all but play him at 7 and see what we have in him. Though think Deysel deserved a start he played well last week. Then so did Kanko though plenty will say not.
Should just have gone with Morne at FB then bud, but I mentioned this last week and everyone shut me down…..hehehe. So did Willie by the way. So just let that thought go……….lol.
Rather then hope they play the way you suggest with Lambie at fb cause I think he adds more at fh.
28 Jul 2011, 10:54 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-197:
dude.
deysel is sharkies stegmann.
show some respect.
we are lucky nobody has broken him yet.
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