Boks latest – Noakes influential in ‘rested’ Boks
4 Aug 2011
Keo.co.za brings you news from the Springboks’ camp.
Noakes influential in ‘rested’ Boks - Springboks assistant coach Gary Gold has caused some confusion by saying that the Springboks were ‘rested’ on advice from Professor Tim Noakes rather than injured like they claimed.
Speaking to Beeld, Gold said they had taken the advice of ‘medical people’ like Noakes, a vocal critic of the punishing schedule the players are made to endure, in pulling a group of 21, mostly first-choice, players from Tri-Nations tour.
However, the line peddled to to the media and public was that the players omitted from the Tri-Nations tour were injured, which precluded their selection. Springboks coach Peter de Villiers also repeatedly dismissed claims that they were being rested, and scoffed at reports that they were in a training camp in Rustenburg in a period of what conditioning experts term ‘active rest’ (training without the physical and mental demands of a match).
‘Now that we have given these players a rest, the team is suddenly unprepared for the World Cup. The tour was a disappointment, but we have a lot of experience to fall back on,’ Gold said.
Meanwhile, Gold added that concern about the ageing Springbok team was unfounded. ‘The team is on average 2½ years younger than England’s team was when it won the 2003 World Cup,’ he said. He continued, saying the coaching team is 90% to 95% sure of how their World Cup side will look, with only a few positions still up for the taking.
229 Comments
4 Aug 2011, 07:14 am
Healthy Dragons
4 Aug 2011, 07:20 am
this is getting old and tired…lets have some real rugby analysis now, cmon ffs we have a worldcup in a few weeks….can we get some real rugby journalism now
4 Aug 2011, 07:24 am
So what’s new! Everyone knows they were being rested despite their “injured” story.
4 Aug 2011, 07:33 am
*cue* Tickles & Rossoneri
4 Aug 2011, 07:40 am
I find it funny that Gold is saying the Boks are not over the hill, when the Aussies are saying that the All Blacks are over the hill, and the Ab’s are a younger group than the boks. Wonder what the Aussies think of the Boks then.
4 Aug 2011, 07:41 am
oh gary!…
4 Aug 2011, 07:41 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-4: All I’m saying is what is the big hoopla about. We all know Saru lied through their teeth about the whole “injuries” story and just wanted to rest their A boks.
4 Aug 2011, 07:44 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-5:
What is the average age of the all blacks vs the boks?
4 Aug 2011, 07:47 am
that was going to be my next question gunther…
4 Aug 2011, 07:48 am
‘Active rest’ Hehe.
Thats a new one.
4 Aug 2011, 07:53 am
Boks an ‘embarrassment’
Cape Town – Springbok assistant coach **** Muir says he is ashamed of the way the Springboks performed on their recent tour of Australasia.
He said the Springboks were an “embarrassment” after they first lost 39-20 to Australia in Sydney, and then 40-7 to New Zealand in Wellington.
Muir says the two Test matches were a wake-up call to the Boks, but also admits that they made the wrong choices.
“We expected more from the team. It was a risk to throw so many young and inexperience players in at the deep end,” Muir told the Beeld newspaper.
He said it’s never nice to be embarrassed in the way they were.
However, Muir has assured Bok fans not to get too despondent ahead of the Rugby World Cup.
“Expect big things from the team. It will be important to win the (Tri-Nations) games in South Africa,” said Muir.
4 Aug 2011, 07:56 am
So Divvy did not know that his players were in Rustenburg and Gold had no idea that his players were injured … and this confused Keo journalist
4 Aug 2011, 07:57 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-11:
**** is a ****.
4 Aug 2011, 08:00 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-9:
My next question for lilly is which boks were rested and which were injured?
4 Aug 2011, 08:11 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-13:
He is an embarrassment to the coaching fraternity !!
4 Aug 2011, 08:16 am
There you go! Hobbyhorse-”scientist” and one-trick-pony Tim Noakes wrecked the Boks.
Told you so!
4 Aug 2011, 08:20 am
I don’t think we should be concerned with the players age. If you’re still as fit and strong it shouldn’t make much difference.
The difference between SA and England is that England had an excellent 2002 season, and were just as good leading into the 2003 World Cup. The Boks struggled badly last year, even losing to Scotland on the end of year tour (remind anyone of 2002?). The same Scotland who now lose to Italy on regular occasions.
Our problem is the build-up to the World Cup. But they can make that right with good wins over Australia and NZ at home with a full strength squad.
4 Aug 2011, 08:21 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-16:
Indeed.
He wrecked them in 2007 too.
4 Aug 2011, 08:28 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-18: And the one trick he has is winning a World Cup.
Personally I dont mind seeing him repeating that trick.
4 Aug 2011, 08:29 am
along with this report can we also have a schedule of PdV’s toilet times and how it fits in to the Boks training schedule and also can we have an article on how Gary Gold apparently wipes his ar$e from back to front and the impact this is having on the unofficial Bok rest camp.
4 Aug 2011, 08:32 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-19:
Poor ticklish.
Looks like he will be making his quadrannual visit ti heartbreak hotel
4 Aug 2011, 08:33 am
Noakes is a “gatkramp”! also when will NZ learn that Mills is hondk@k?? he’s the weaklink in the strong NZ team
4 Aug 2011, 08:36 am
@Old_Saru_was_Vodacom_Cup_standard(WO_to_kill_Sir_Elton)-22: dude
if mils is “hondkak” then francois steyn is what?
4 Aug 2011, 08:41 am
who’s talking about Frans? I rate Mills on his performances in the last 3 years – For the Chiefs in super rugby & for the all blacks! … really not good!
4 Aug 2011, 08:47 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-23:
Let’s hope frankie has recovered from his paunch injury in rustenburg.
4 Aug 2011, 08:47 am
@foreverrugga(foreverrugga)-20:
i’d love to know what kind of flieks pdid’s likes to watch. you can tell a lot about a man by the movies he watches.
ryan? john? or the rest of you guys, if your reading this. please ask pdid’s next time keo or you guys speak to him, thanks.
4 Aug 2011, 08:50 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-23:
francois steyn would make you eat hondkuk. and he’d make you like it.
4 Aug 2011, 08:50 am
@Old_Saru_was_Vodacom_Cup_standard(WO_to_kill_Sir_Elton)-24: well your rating mechanisms are kak, Mils has arguably been the best fullback in Test rugby in the past 3 years, followed by the likes of beale, foden, dagg, jane, aplon, kearney.
4 Aug 2011, 08:52 am
Transformation, you don’t watch much rugby do you? How is the kaizer chiefs team looking this year?
4 Aug 2011, 08:52 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-27: well if he likes the taste of hondkak then he’d be the one eating it
4 Aug 2011, 08:53 am
Noakes made a statement recently that ‘resting’ the Boks now is too little too late, although some rest is better than none.
‘Resting’ players can never be a spur of the moment decision, it is something done over months and years following a program.
4 Aug 2011, 08:55 am
@Old_Saru_was_Vodacom_Cup_standard(WO_to_kill_Sir_Elton)-29: hehehe it’s looking quite good, their main striker Knowledge Musona has just signed with Bundesliga side Hoffenheim and they’ve brought in Bafana striker Bernard Parker to replace him, in the midfield Nengomashe & Shaba will still be manning things…
4 Aug 2011, 08:57 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-25:
well according to the Frog website he is a light 100kg after Rustenburg he should be fighting fit.
4 Aug 2011, 08:59 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-26: no definitely, and also maybe what his star sign is, and whether he takes a dump in the morning or at night, then we can really understand how the Bok team is being managed.
4 Aug 2011, 09:00 am
But benni will kill them in the Chief/Pirates matches! There will be no stopping benni
4 Aug 2011, 09:03 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-31: I have great respect for Dr Noakes but sometimes I think he over- complicates stuff, rugby is a sport after all not a science subject. JP Petersen made that tackle against Fiji and Dannie Rossouw made his against England and Bill came home, simply really.
4 Aug 2011, 09:05 am
For those who doubted Schalk’s injury… an update from someone who knows Schalk personally… who told me what happened and has happened…
Schalk apparently dislocated his thumb in the 10th minute of the game. He fixed it himself and carried on playing but a few minutes later broke it and other bones in his hand very badly… (the same hand he broke badly in an accident as a child) he completed the half and at half time asked the doc to strap it up so that he could play the second half…
apparently the doc was not the regular doc and this guy is a hand specialist… he examined schalk’s hand and said the injury was so severe there was no way he could play and knew immediately schalk would need surgery…
they have screwed a plate into place to hold things together and schalk has a steel pin through the middle of his thumb-bones from the first joint and through two bones and out the back at his wrist… This is why the plaster cast did not cover his thumb as the pins and screws need to be free… and teh cast is to hold his wrist immobile…
they are also apparently already working on some sort of lightweight mould/glove a la andre joubert for him to use in the world cup…
so any comment that he turned his back on his team are simply made by misinformed people who have an axe to grind…
4 Aug 2011, 09:05 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-32:
how could you leave out benni?
4 Aug 2011, 09:07 am
@Old_Saru_was_Vodacom_Cup_standard(WO_to_kill_Sir_Elton)-35: ja, nobody will stop him from eating right, he is football’s ricky january
4 Aug 2011, 09:07 am
@Old_Saru_was_Vodacom_Cup_standard(WO_to_kill_Sir_Elton)-35: I am so glad Ajax Cape Town didnt sign Benni, he is fat and lazy….he might have a career in rugby or cricket.
I read somewhere that they are paying R250 000 a month!! for two years.
4 Aug 2011, 09:07 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-32: Always been a fan of Parker, lets hope his move to Chiefs sees him cement a place in the Bafana starting 11.
4 Aug 2011, 09:09 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-32: potentially going to sign Tsepo Masilela, things looking great…
4 Aug 2011, 09:09 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-38: Benni has dumped Ajax to go to Pie-rats, so i can’t mention him when discussing Chiefs players now can I?
4 Aug 2011, 09:10 am
@Old_Saru_was_Vodacom_Cup_standard(WO_to_kill_Sir_Elton)-22:
Ophou kukpraat vroeg innie oggend
4 Aug 2011, 09:10 am
@ufo(ufo)-37:
wowzers! thanks for that.
the incredible schalk will rise again…
4 Aug 2011, 09:10 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-32: Someone told me Musona will stay on loan at Chiefs because Hoffenheim dont have place for him now.
4 Aug 2011, 09:11 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-43: “Pie-rats”
What makes me think you’re not a fan of the Buccaneers?
4 Aug 2011, 09:13 am
Latest odds – outright winner for Rugby World Cup 2011 – NZ overwhelming favourites:
New Zealand: 3/4
Australia: 22/5
South Africa: 41/5
England: 147/10
France: 21
Very good odds there for bets on South Africa and England.
But here come some fantastic value bets:
NZ eliminated in quarter final: 18:1
NZ eliminated in semi-final: 7:2
NZ runner up: 9:2
4 Aug 2011, 09:14 am
@XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-42: That will be a great signing. That boy needs to play.
4 Aug 2011, 09:14 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-45:
you’re welcome…
the guy is amazing… his ability to ignore and/or play through pain is quite profound… IMO…
yes, he will rise again… without him in our WC team our chances diminish dramatically… without him AND juan we’re in deep schtoep…
4 Aug 2011, 09:15 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-43:
oh ok. i thought he went to chiefs.
4 Aug 2011, 09:15 am
@ufo(ufo)-37: you didn’t have to go to that extent…schalk never turned his back on the team, he was shown sitting on the bench some time during the 2nd half of the match…
4 Aug 2011, 09:19 am
Sorry Prawn
4 Aug 2011, 09:19 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-46: is it, strange deal that, cos i’m sure they can loan him to a lower league team in Germany where they can closely monitor him or send him to Belgium to get game time
4 Aug 2011, 09:22 am
Keo with this whole expose thing is becoming tiring, We know, they know, everyone knows that some were genuinely injured, some had niggles and some may have been rested. Just because a guy has a niggle doesn’t stop him from doing light training, participating in team sessions etc. There’s a difference between match ready and most were not.
Let’s move on and look forward,
Geez, no wonder Keo’s lot get excluded from the Bok inner circle.
4 Aug 2011, 09:23 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-52:
not true. there was a video sequence shown during the game that cut to schalk walking off ‘back to the field’ down the tunnel/corridor to the changerooms/medical rooms or perhaps leaving the building to go to a hospital?
benni’s 34 this year and still dealing with weight issues, was deported from england for eating all the pies and is now ‘humbled’ to return in order to ‘give back’ to the game and the players in sa. haha wouldn’t have signed him without putting him through a fitness test of note.
4 Aug 2011, 09:25 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-54: i am not sure about that information though. He is already settled at Chiefs and playing well but ja it makes sense what you saying.
4 Aug 2011, 09:25 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-52:
yeah transie… i didn’t have to for normal intelligent people like you…
but based on some of the comments made about schalk the other day thought it would be good to give the facts…
4 Aug 2011, 09:27 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-56: Its going to backfire I think.
4 Aug 2011, 09:27 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-55: Dont worry about Keo and his boys, they really think we come here for their insight, its like the guy who created facebook thinking people are logging in on facebook to read what he thinks.
4 Aug 2011, 09:29 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-55:
i’m with you on this bud… injured players often hang out with the squad to keep in touch and in training…
can you imagine what keo and his cronies would have dredged up if all those injured players were simply left to their own devices for all this time…?
they would have written articles saying PdV is useless because he missed an opportunity to get the players together and get them fit and familiar with each other again again and working in combos etc etc etc…
4 Aug 2011, 09:33 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-55:
so…
we know that they what we know that they knew we knew?
who knew?
4 Aug 2011, 09:33 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-56: that was IMMEDIATELY after half-time, schalk was sitting on the bench later in the half watching the game with his teammates. i hold no candle for the guy, but hey, he WAS on the bench. all the negative talk is just unnecessary.
4 Aug 2011, 09:36 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-63:
well at least grantie didn’t catch him on the beach when he was walking jr.
4 Aug 2011, 09:38 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-5:
are the ABs a younger group than the boks?
woodcock, mealamu/hore, ali, brad thorn, mccaw, piri, carter, nonu, smith, muliaina?
ABs may yet field a team older on average than the England team of 2003. here are some very “experienced” ABs around.
4 Aug 2011, 09:45 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-31: A “program” (sic) of resting? Yeah, right! Today we’ll have 8 hours of IR (intensive resting), followed by a meal and 8 hors of video-watching before having a meal and 8 hrs sleep. And tomorrow well have the video watching before some ASR (Advanced Scientific Resting) and a protein shake before 8 hrs of sleep. Then on day 3 ….
Pfft! Pseudo-science 101 by T.Noakes
4 Aug 2011, 09:47 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-63:
yeah, but why ‘massage’ the truth your way and not me and/or ufo’s way?
schalk was shown walking ‘away’ from the ‘team’ after the game had resumed
leading to all sorts of unfounded accusations – fact
schalk was shown sitting on the bench later in the half after having received some intermediate medical care – fact
4 Aug 2011, 09:48 am
boks have become soft,pampered and fat……
Plod as the leader….says it all…
4 Aug 2011, 09:50 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-66:
8 hors (sic) of video watching.
doesn’t sound much like resting to me.
last time I watched a video with 8 hors (sic) I got blisters on my main chap.
very (sic) indeed.
4 Aug 2011, 09:51 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-67: “massage”?
quite frankly i don’t care what you or anyone thinks of schalk, just putting forth my 2 cents qha!
4 Aug 2011, 09:52 am
boks have become smarter, rehabilitated and fit… …
captain fantastic as the leader….say no more…
4 Aug 2011, 09:53 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-67:
calm down.
everybody thinks schalk is a legend except for the kiwis and a few disaffected locals…
that tells you all you need to know.
4 Aug 2011, 09:53 am
back at you…
4 Aug 2011, 09:55 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-72:
what would make transie ‘disaffected’?
silly kiwis…
4 Aug 2011, 09:57 am
@grant10(grant10)-68: Dont let J.Smit’s presence consume your loyalty to your country. He is just a player nothing more. The Springboks are a matter of National importance.
4 Aug 2011, 09:58 am
Liars Liars
Pants on Fires !
4 Aug 2011, 09:58 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-74:
transie likes schalk.
4 Aug 2011, 10:00 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-76:
Which players at the training camp are injured and which are not?
4 Aug 2011, 10:02 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-69:
Are you Charlie Sheen?
4 Aug 2011, 10:03 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-76:
They all have signed medical certificates.
Are you implying fraud?
Oy vey.
4 Aug 2011, 10:05 am
@Robbie Fleck is a legend(WP-Forever)-79:
who?
4 Aug 2011, 10:11 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-3: @Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-8:
‘Ancient’All Blacks to face Wallabies
08:28 04/08/2011
At 36, Brad Thorn will become the All Blacks’ second oldest player on Saturday.The All Blacks will field the oldest side in their test history against the Wallabies at Eden Park on Saturday.
Coach Graham Henry has nailed his World Cup colours to the mast by naming a team of veterans that will closely mirror the starting side in the knockout phase of the World Cup.
Not only will “Ted’s Army” be the most ancient starting XV in the All Blacks’ 477 tests dating back to 1903, they are also the most test-hardened team in rugby history.
The combined 766 caps of the starting side – at 51 tests per player – will take them past the 750 achieved by the Springboks against the Wallabies at Bloemfontein last year.
But it is the age factor that will cause the most discussion in World Cup year.
Henry, 65, is comfortably the world’s most experienced test coach and, with support from Steve Hansen and Wayne Smith, who share more than 20 years of test mentoring between them, the All Blacks of 2011 take on a juggernaut feel.
The starting team has a combined age of 433, eclipsing the sometimes-maligned “Dad’s Army” England side who won the 2003 rugby World Cup final with 423 years under their collective belts.
But has Henry taken the wrinkled theory a step too far?
In his desire to plump for seasoned players, is he clinging on too long to the personnel who have served him so well? Some since his tenure began in 2004.
“I think you have to have a nucleus of experience in the team,” Henry said 12 months ago when quizzed about the ageing nature of his team.
“You pick the best players but usually that correlates to their age.”
One who disagrees is former Wallabies No 8 Toutai Kefu, who yesterday said this year’s All Blacks are lacking fresh talent.
“At first I didn’t think it would be a problem but some of the key players, their stars, are starting to wane a bit,” Kefu said.
“The thing with them is they have been there done that, they’ve been consistent for so long.
“If there’s a time for us to challenge for the mantle I think this year is the time.”
Saturday’s All Blacks have an average age of just under 29, lifting them past the previous oldest All Blacks starting XV who lost to the Wallabies at Athletic Park in 1982.
That side was captained by Graham Mourie and featured grizzled veterans such as Andy Haden and the “Geriatrics” front row of John Ashworth, Andy Dalton and Gary Knight.
Evergreen lock Brad Thorn, at 36, is the current father figure and on Saturday moves past Frank Bunce to become the second oldest All Black. He is one of four starting forwards in their 30s, alongside Keven Mealamu (32), Richie McCaw and Ali Williams (both 30). It would probably be five if veteran prop Tony Woodcock was fit to start.
A senior citizen status also rings true among the outside back division.
At the helm of our oldest starting backline is Mils Muliaina, who celebrated his 31st birthday on Sunday, becoming just the fourth All Blacks starting fullback to hit that milestone.
The back three of Muliaina, Sitiveni Sivivatu and Hosea Gear have a combined age of 87, bettered by just one trio – Wellington icons Allan Hewson, Stu Wilson and Bernie Fraser, in the death throes of their career against Australia in 1983.
At a combined age of 58, Conrad Smith and Ma’a Nonu are the oldest midfield since Bunce and Walter Little in 1997.
In the pack, 2003 World Cup buddies Thorn and Williams are our oldest-ever locking combo by a country mile while McCaw is the oldest to don the No 7 jersey since Ian Kirkpatrick in 1977 and Mealamu the oldest hooker since Sean Fitzpatrick retired 14 years ago.
The baby of the team plays at tighthead prop, traditionally the most gnarled member of any side. Yet Owen Franks is just 23.
Another curiosity is that McCaw will have led both the youngest and oldest ever All Blacks starting teams.
His first test as skipper, against Wales at Cardiff in 2004, featured a team with an average age of 23-1/2. Their 353 combined years scraped under the previous mark of 356 set by the revamped “Baby Blacks” who played France in 1986.
Alongside McCaw at Cardiff for the narrow 26-25 win were several teammates in Saturday’s test – Muliaina, Dan Carter, Piri Weepu, Williams and Mealamu.
A week later the nucleus of that team hammered France 45-6, effectively launching Henry’s eight-year dynasty.
Oldest All Blacks starting XV, v Australia at Auckland, August 6, 2011
Mils Muliaina (31), Sitiveni Sivivatu (29), Conrad Smith (29), Ma’a Nonu (29), Hosea Gear (27), Dan Carter (29), Piri Weepu (27), Kieran Read (25), Richie McCaw (30), Jerome Kaino (28), Ali Williams (30), Brad Thorn (36), Owen Franks (23), Keven Mealamu (32), Wyatt Crockett (28).
Previous oldest starting XV, v Australia at Wellington, August 28, 1982
Allan Hewson (28), Stu Wilson (28), Bernie Fraser (29), Steve Pokere (24), Mark Taylor (31), Wayne Smith (25), Dave Loveridge (30), Murray Mexted (28), Graham Mourie (29), Mark Shaw (26), Graeme Higginson (27), Andy Haden (31), Gary Knight (31), Andy Dalton (30), John Ashworth (32)
Youngest All Blacks starting XV, v Wales at Cardiff, November 20, 2004
Mils Muliaina (24), Doug Howlett (26), Joe Rokocoko (21), Casey Laulala (22), Aaron Mauger (23), Dan Carter (22), Piri Weepu (21), Mose Tuiali’i (23), Richie McCaw (23), Rodney So’oialo (25), Ali Williams (23), Chris Jack (26), Greg Somerville (26), Keven Mealamu (25), Tony Woodcock (23)
4 Aug 2011, 10:13 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-62: You know. Them. They.
4 Aug 2011, 10:15 am
@ufo(ufo)-61: LOl yes, damned if you do and damned if you don’t hey?
4 Aug 2011, 10:16 am
next Fri nite I am going to Newlands to watch the young WP team take on the talented Sharks team in the CC….
Then Sat at the crack of dawn I am arriving at the CT airport to fly to Durban to watch the Boks play Aussies…..I have been lucky enough to get an invite all expenses paid Corporate Box type thingy….
Now PDV I know you read this site……
So hear a plea from a desperate man……
Please….please….please……play Bissy…..
And i dont mean from the bench
thanks
G 10
4 Aug 2011, 10:16 am
@Robbie Fleck is a legend(WP-Forever)-48: Would be interesting to know what the odds looked like in 2007, a month before the tournament started.
Anybody?
4 Aug 2011, 10:17 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-82:
oh no lilly
oops.
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-83:
where?
4 Aug 2011, 10:17 am
PA – I reckon burnout is a form of injury!!! Who cares PDV did the right thing.
PA i wanted to ask do you think PDV left his first choice Boks with Rassie alone to allow Rassie to input more of his own influence? Or did Rassie insist on one to one time with the playes without PDV?
When JW sent his B side over on the 3N away leg pre RWC2007, JW stayed with the first choice players. However this year PDV went with his B side player!
4 Aug 2011, 10:18 am
@Robbie Fleck is a legend(WP-Forever)-80:
Doctor Jannie got his medical certificate book out did he..
never trust a Seth Afrikan…
4 Aug 2011, 10:19 am
i AM SURE WE ALL HAVE A PLAN
BUT SOMETIMES A -PLAN IS STILL A KAK PLAN
4 Aug 2011, 10:22 am
Deceit and lies is a kak foundation.
throw in fat boys club
throw in 3 stooges
throw in accomodation
throw in sentimentality
throw in no opensiders
throw in a fatty at 2
throw in a nontackling showboat at 8
throw in a 1 dimensional skop en jag en bid artist at 10…..
nee dorner….roep die polisie….daar gaan n molestering wees !
4 Aug 2011, 10:22 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-87: You mean WHY?
Reminds me of the Billy Chrystal joke:
“The other day I walked in on my wife and my best friend having s ex. I said “jack? I have to, but you???”
4 Aug 2011, 10:23 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-59:
hasn’t the world heard ‘all’ those platitudes from benni before? hehe
agreed, its probably gonna backfire. a simple series of fitness tests and everybodies a winner, i mean really.
4 Aug 2011, 10:23 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-81:
jeepers do you think those old players will all make it to the world cup? i wonder how that compares to the likely bok team…
F Steyn
JPP
J Fourie
JDV
Habs
Butch
Fourie
Schalk/Spies
Juan/Schalk
Brussouw
Big Vic
Bakkies
Jannie
Smitty
Beast
4 Aug 2011, 10:24 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-89:
let’s hope you or your loved ones will never have to rely on a south african doctor then.
4 Aug 2011, 10:25 am
grant10 – AS you can from the ABs setup, experience is everything come the RWC year!! GH has realised that and is going with the golden oldies.
emember the last game of last year v England? The Boks put in a typical RWC game nad blew the poms off the park! Great spectacle of Bok rugby!! That is the game plan the Boks need to go to the RWC with
4 Aug 2011, 10:25 am
so, 8 weeks of rest and nasal spray perhaps?
on doctors orders…
all the while watching reruns of PDV’s carpark matinee..
bewdiful…
4 Aug 2011, 10:26 am
Dear G10
I don’t give a toss what you think you are entitlted to.
Least of all beacause you aren’t paying a dime.
bEST WISHES FROM ONE SPEEDO FAN TO ANOTHER
PETER DIVOT.
ps fARK SORRY CAPS.
4 Aug 2011, 10:27 am
@virvarksteaks(virvarksteaks)-86:
the boks were at 10 to 1 to win.
there were okes who made a moerse lot of money betting on the boks, i remember reading about it on the papers.
i wont be left out this time round, but the odds are still kuk at about 5 to 1 (bookies learnt their lesson i guess) i think. maybe after the 3n it will get better.
4 Aug 2011, 10:27 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-96: yes….it was great
we moered poms
guess who was at 2
and guess who was in durbs nursing a hammie?
4 Aug 2011, 10:28 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-89:
would you trust us to win a world cup?
4 Aug 2011, 10:29 am
@munkiboi(munkiboi)-94: everytime i see that name at 2 and bissy not there i have a farken anxiety attack…
only in SA i tell you
makes me puke on my speedo
4 Aug 2011, 10:31 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-78: That is what we would like to know? Which are not? Because we know NOT ALL ARE injured. Saru just lied. Lieg bekke. It’s like all my staff saying they all have a death in the family and are attending the funeral, only for the same Monday, 8 August 2011, which happens to be the day before a public holiday. Stinking liars.
4 Aug 2011, 10:31 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-95: Lol consider the source……this from a creature who idolises the biggest cheat in rugby as a god…talking about trust….oh the irony
4 Aug 2011, 10:31 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-101: nope, not at all…
lets see how you do this year when you will probably face someone ranked higher than 7th was it?
like I said, i can see SA going into the WC with 4 straight losses under their belts and more injuries than you started with…
more nasal spray doctor!!
4 Aug 2011, 10:31 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-88: rubbish, i answered you on the other threads too, jake when on tour with his B-team and Rassie had a month alone with the A-team…
4 Aug 2011, 10:33 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-106: Yeah training them, like he is doing now. “injured my a$$”
4 Aug 2011, 10:33 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-104: bwahahah please, show me the post where Ive idolised McCaw..
as I said, never trust a Seth Africunt, youre already making up stories to suit your argument..
how very Saffa of you…
4 Aug 2011, 10:33 am
G10 – Here is the Team:-
Loose-head Prop Tendai Mtawarira Sharks 25 25
Hooker Bismarck du Plessis Sharks 26 35
Tight-head Prop Jannie du Plessis Sharks 28 23
Lock Bakkies Botha Blue Bulls 31 71
Lock (C) Victor Matfield Blue Bulls 33 104
Flank Deon Stegmann Blue Bulls 24 3
Flank Juan Smith Cheetahs 29 68
Eighthman Pierre Spies Blue Bulls 25 39
Scrumhalf Ruan Pienaar Ulster 26 46
Flyhalf Morné Steyn Blue Bulls 26 24 1 conversion, 3 penalties
Left Wing Lwazi Mvovo Sharks 24 1 1 try
Inside Centre Jean de Villiers WP 29 66
Outside Centre Francois Steyn Racing 23 41
Right Wing Gio Aplon WP 28 12
Full Back Zane Kirchner Blue Bulls 26 13
Reserve Adrian Jacobs Sharks 30 31
Reserve Willem Alberts Sharks 26 2 1 try
Reserve CJ van der Linde Cheetahs 30 68
Reserve Francois Hougaard Blue Bulls 22 7
Reserve Flip van der Merwe Blue Bulls 25 9
Reserve Adriaan Strauss Cheetahs 25 8
Reserve Pat Lambie Sharks 20 3
4 Aug 2011, 10:33 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-103: deceit and liars…..you are spot on……seems the truth dont count for much any more these days….
4 Aug 2011, 10:34 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-89: you Kiwis are screwed, if you do not trust SA doctors … now you will be forced to go to your Chinese doctors and eat Rhino testicles for your STD infections
4 Aug 2011, 10:34 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-109: for the aussie game in Durbs?
4 Aug 2011, 10:35 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-98:
Brilliant!
4 Aug 2011, 10:36 am
@RL(RL)-111: lmao..
4 Aug 2011, 10:37 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-103:
I believe you are still getting back to me on how much older the boks are than the all blacks
we’ll get on to the rest of your bullshit in due course
4 Aug 2011, 10:42 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-108: Lol you think I’m going to rise to your attempts at biting? Go troll somewhere else Norman Nolife
4 Aug 2011, 10:42 am
*baiting
4 Aug 2011, 10:44 am
Transformation #106 – Well that is good news then. All we need now is for Eddie Jones to poop in and put the finishing touches on!!
I don’t think the Boks will have too much problems going into the RWC. The Boks will easily get to the semis and from there on it is about who wants it most! Even if we lose to the ABs in SA it still doesn”t write us off!!
There is too much talent in the first Bok team. This rest would have done them the world of good!
4 Aug 2011, 10:45 am
G10 – No that was the team that thumped the poms at the end of 2010. Excellent team. But it still shows how valuable Juan Smith is!! Lets start praying that that man makes it back in time!!
4 Aug 2011, 10:46 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-104:
consider the sauce.
it could be anything knowing poopstain
4 Aug 2011, 10:46 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-116:
poppa doesn’t bait. he defends the honour of all aoteoroa from the baseless insults of scoundrels and jackals, thats all
4 Aug 2011, 10:49 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-121: Lol don’t forget liars, murderers and rapists
4 Aug 2011, 10:49 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-108:
Morning pops you cheerful sonofabitch
4 Aug 2011, 10:50 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-119: i agree….Juan Smith is a key player…..absolutely.
Also Brussow…..especially if we play kiwis and aussies….
Butch must fire for us……then we also got a chance…..albeit a slim one…..
But spies and plod in same pack and we inserious kak my man….against wales and samoa!
4 Aug 2011, 10:51 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-118: yep…
‘Not a lot differs in the role that I’m taking on now compared to what I did in 2007,’ says Erasmus. ‘In that Tri-Nations the top players didn’t go on the away leg and I worked with those guys for about a month in Cape Town while Jake was away. It will be similar this time,but that will be the only time you should see me on the field doing any kind of coaching.
‘My role is as a back-room guy, doing what I really enjoy doing, which is to analyse opposing players, analyse our own players and the contribution they are making, and go into the different aspects that make up rugby to do a proper analysis of what is working and what isn’t. I then present it all to the coaches so they can make decisions based on the facts.’
4 Aug 2011, 10:52 am
Hope the guys are well rested and conditioned.
I believe this was a top dollar move.
4 Aug 2011, 10:53 am
@grant10(grant10)-124: Who’s your 8?
4 Aug 2011, 10:54 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-108:
“a Seth Africunt”
Fecking yard of wet tripe
4 Aug 2011, 10:54 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-121: better known as “returning serve”.
4 Aug 2011, 10:58 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-129:
I blame kobus the pussycat for making him the way he is..
cyber molestation is a serious issue
4 Aug 2011, 10:58 am
Eddie Jones who?
Look at the Reds under him and now.
4 Aug 2011, 10:59 am
We are not all “Seth Africunts”
Am just saying
4 Aug 2011, 11:00 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-122: and baby eating rats – they’re his favourites
4 Aug 2011, 11:01 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-129: Ah yes, ‘returning serve’ …. the old maori term for acting like an obnoxious ******* all the time
4 Aug 2011, 11:01 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-130: ja, KKK and his accomplice in molesting Whatever!!! they did a number on the guy.
4 Aug 2011, 11:01 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-129:
Magtag.
I am so fekking gatvol of this abuse heaped on everyone, no matter WHO they are, from the likes of pops and that imbecile ET.
I mean what for!!!!!!!!!!
4 Aug 2011, 11:02 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-132: I am! Fuckhim!
4 Aug 2011, 11:03 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-135:
personally I think he never recovered from you calling him a M**** piece of ****
it all when downhill from there.
4 Aug 2011, 11:04 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-130: Did they hand the smelly douchebag his lunch?
@Transformation(Transformation)-133: I hate those, had an infestation under the house….luckily got under there and took them out with my panga collection before all the neighbourhood kids living in the gutters were taken
4 Aug 2011, 11:04 am
The whole damn day its Pops
Then after 13h00 it’s that extraball.
I wish they would just stay in their ADOPTED countries and leave us alone.
4 Aug 2011, 11:04 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-133:
Surprised he hasn’t latched onto this one yet:
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/abandoned-baby-eaten-by-pig-1.1110645
There ya go, poops, more ammunition.
4 Aug 2011, 11:06 am
@Nils(Nils)-131: That’s reaching a bit…… Might as well then look at the Brumbies under him and now?
4 Aug 2011, 11:08 am
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-141: awful story that….they caught a woman in Sasolburg the other night trying to sell her baby to the Nigerians
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-138: Lots of think skinds here….I got called a white ****** just the other day…by a Metro coip nogal…lol…You know why iot doesn’t bother me? Cos I know I;’ll never be a backward corrupt slimeball blaming everyone else for my problems
4 Aug 2011, 11:08 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-138: ah, then it’s my fault.
4 Aug 2011, 11:09 am
think skinds=thin skins
jeez i need to take a typing course
4 Aug 2011, 11:09 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-144:
shame on you
4 Aug 2011, 11:12 am
@virvarksteaks(virvarksteaks)-142: Perhaps indeed a bit. That was like golden era for the Brumbies and Wallabies until WC03. Let’s not forget Nucifora did a fine job in Canberra, too. Maybe it was unhealthy environment ACT that led to their current shambles under anyone.
IMHO, Eddie’s star went downwards since 03.
4 Aug 2011, 11:13 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-143:
Tragic.
But old poopster gets his sweaty little rocks off bleating about the suffering of others. On a rugby blog. Because some of us call Ritchie a cheat. Or he’s returning serve. Or whatever it is on the day?
It boggles the mind.
4 Aug 2011, 11:13 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-144:
Hey Ndoda, ubonile sithathana noKeo izolo kuleyaKeoTv thread? kade engicasula ngoba akanhlonipho futhi unamanga. uyinyoka le-Way…(hehehe Xhosa style)
4 Aug 2011, 11:15 am
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-141:
he can latch all he likes.
i’ll gladly throw back countless articles on all the sshit that goes on underneath that long blady white cloud…gladly.
the more i read their news the more shocked i become that such a small population of people can get up to so much kuk.
4 Aug 2011, 11:15 am
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-148: Yea I’m sure that story just made his day
4 Aug 2011, 11:15 am
Noakes is right and they were right to have listened to him.
4 Aug 2011, 11:17 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-143:
a white ******?
agent?
join the club.
we are having a victims meeting at Ferial Haffajee’s place tonight.
you are more than welcome.
4 Aug 2011, 11:18 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-153: ******* e r
4 Aug 2011, 11:18 am
“Meanwhile, Gold added that concern about the ageing Springbok team was unfounded. ‘The team is on average 2½ years younger than England’s team was when it won the 2003 World Cup,’ he said. ”
The age is the only thing that is common between Dads armies of England’03 and SA of 11.
4 Aug 2011, 11:19 am
argh
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lol
4 Aug 2011, 11:20 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-149: Cha, ubucasukile ngempela. Ang’hlekanga kanje
4 Aug 2011, 11:22 am
@Nils(Nils)-147: Yupp, don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending him. Just a bit harsh to call someone a bad coach just because he had a bunch of palookas for players. But this goes both ways. Having a team full of special players doesn’t necessarily make you a great coach either.
4 Aug 2011, 11:24 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-150:
Don’t do it
You will sink to that level
4 Aug 2011, 11:25 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-149: :mrgreen” HAHAHAHA @ “le-WAY” ngibonile, ngathi awuyeke ngibeyisethameli okwamanje ngibheke ukuthi izophela kuphi. uyazi ukuthi ubukhuluma iqiniso yingakho nje bekalokho akhulum’ intlamba instead ukuthi aphendule.
8)
4 Aug 2011, 11:27 am
@virvarksteaks(virvarksteaks)-158: Agree and looks like I was too harsh on him – forgot about the horses from ACT and remembered only his last years at the helm of Aussies and Reds days.
Ironically McKenzie did not have any glory in the strongest Aussie franchise and look what he has done to the whipping boys.
I wonder what influence McKenzie would have made on the Boks.
4 Aug 2011, 11:27 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-160:
Stop acting like “Seth Africunts”
We wanna know what you skinnering about
4 Aug 2011, 11:28 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-146: yes, i’m to blame. now all i need is a tattoo like sbw to show repentance
4 Aug 2011, 11:28 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-159:
he does bring out the best in us doesn’t he..hehehe
4 Aug 2011, 11:30 am
@Nils(Nils)-155:
ahh my “latvian” chum…
they’re younger than the All Greys too.
4 Aug 2011, 11:32 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-162: who said we’re skinnering?
4 Aug 2011, 11:34 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-165: You missed my point there.
Gold mentioned the age and conveniently forgot that Dads army of England were beating everyone before coming to the WC – SA, Australia and NZ including. They ruled the global mob and WC just confirmed that.
4 Aug 2011, 11:35 am
Gold is an idiot and would definitely not make it in Politics
you need to be more shrewd than honest in times like this
4 Aug 2011, 11:36 am
Noakes wanted these players rested in late 2009. de Villiers has left it far too late, playing his front line players into the ground. Why does this fool always have to do things the hard way.
4 Aug 2011, 11:36 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-159: @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-164:
This is a fascinating place, this “three lettered” website. I don’t post often, but I read most of what’s posted. So many characters, so much vitriol, such unrestrained contempt for so many reasons.
I often can’t relate to the animosity. Sometimes I despair. At others I rejoice – just 15 years ago, so many of us wouldn’t even have been interacting.
Whatever the case, it helps me in my day job. I consider it time well spent.
4 Aug 2011, 11:37 am
@Nils(Nils)-167:
true, they did.
but they were cheating big time since the year before and in the wc year too.
it really pisssed me off no end. similar to the ab’s now, so thats a worry.
took a while for refs and teams to wise up to the **** they were doing and counter it effectively.
4 Aug 2011, 11:39 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-171: I see strong corellation between winning and cheating here.
Poms dominated = cheated. ABs dominating = cheating.
How about your team in mid 2009 (I cannot any other time of dominating in recent decade)?
4 Aug 2011, 11:40 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-160: Ha ha….ubungalekeleli ngani? Bayathanda ukukhulum’ umbhedo lana.
4 Aug 2011, 11:40 am
@Nils(Nils)-172: cannot recall, that is.
4 Aug 2011, 11:41 am
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-170:
agreed.
its therapy of sorts i guess hehe
4 Aug 2011, 11:45 am
howzit crackers!
4 Aug 2011, 11:46 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-164:
The problem is he paints everyone with the same brush
Not everyone here insults NZ the way he thinks we do
4 Aug 2011, 11:49 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-176:
sefefricunt
4 Aug 2011, 11:49 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-150:
it is the bashing of babies in NZ that saddens me most. something seriously wrong with sections of their society.
4 Aug 2011, 11:50 am
Won Huuundred and Aaaayteeee!
4 Aug 2011, 11:52 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-176:
I mailed you
Didjagetit
4 Aug 2011, 11:53 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-177: Actually very few do….but h comes on here calling us all ***** then wonders why people have a crack at him
prize ****, wish he’d just stay away but other kiwis probably think he’s as much of a wanker…have to wonder why he’s here all the time, he clearly hates saffas
4 Aug 2011, 11:54 am
ah, i see poppa is back and abusing “seth africunts” like he never had time off?
what is the world coming to when a kiwi promises to stay away because he becomes a rabid foaming lunatic in virtual rugby chat and cant help himself by actually sticking to his word?
4 Aug 2011, 11:54 am
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-170:
You have to have a thick skin
Like a rhino
You’ll get used to it
4 Aug 2011, 11:55 am
@Nils(Nils)-172: NIls I personally think
a) all teams try to cheat to a degree
b) they’d be dominant even wthout those tactics
c) we lose because we are playing poor rugby, not because &^&^(^Richie gets away with so much
4 Aug 2011, 11:56 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-180:
Bully for you
4 Aug 2011, 11:56 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-160: @The_Zulu(The_Zulu)-173:
Mageba iqiniso lelo!! uKeo unamanga standard!!! Madoda abantu abaBlogger lapha bazi ngaphezu kwakhe. Uyanginyanyisa, ucabanga ukuthi angabhala amasimba ngasosonke iskhathi bese mayebhala iscephu esisodwa sesizomuxolela??? udakiwe/uphambene ekhanda lakhe.
Lomuntu kade acabanga ukuthi uyi-KING-MAKER….Uyena ocabanga ukuthi angabhalisa abadlali nabaqeqeshi in and out of teams.Thina sonke siyizilima sizolandela into ayishoyo nje.
Kade ngakhathala yibona, into enginyanyisayo kakhulu ukuthi ibona kuphela abane-medium yokusho zonke lezinto,abantu bagcine sebekholwa ngisho amanga aluhlaza phu!! mase bebanjiwe-All they need is to write 1 piece.Done,finish….Hhayi,ngingafa!!!
4 Aug 2011, 11:58 am
@Nils(Nils)-172:
no,no trust me. get some of those games if you can and watch them again.
all englands tests in sh in 2002 they were doing it. the one thing that stripped my mmoer the most was how their suport runners for the ball carrier would drive right through the rucks on their feet (after the carrier had gone to ground) and then just continue on driving while impeded (tugging, jersey pulling and so on) the defensive opposition players in/at the rucks, sometimes even going well past those players up to halbacks, mids, fh..anyone..and then faking a ‘desire’ to retreat to their onside line after.
while the referees attention had by then switched to the ball from the time of its recycle in the ruck. the result of this was manifold in that the opposition couldn’t contest fairly at rucks as well as not being able to realign their defensive structure quickly and efectively.
one or two players doing this on attack when a team has possession is devastating to the team on defense.
i ffuccking hated them for getting away with it and wanted oz to win soooo badly. just the way i hate the ab’s right now not because they are dominating but because thay are cheating like krunts, simple. the springboks dont cheat anywhere as much to dominate. they dominate the old school way – i.e. cavemanishly, big guy with a club vs little guy with a club. is that illegal? no!
and the sweetner is we get punished for it but you dont, go figure…
4 Aug 2011, 12:01 pm
@The_Zulu(The_Zulu)-157:
Hahaha,ubuhlekani Mageba? bengiphuma intuthu emakhaleni!! LOL, lapho ujika akangiphenduli,ungitshela ukuthi angisho igama lami langempela futhi ngimufakela imali ephaketheni mangiza lana.
Uyinja…Sasicabanga ukuthi uJake inyoka?? Lenja le ithatha is’coco
4 Aug 2011, 12:04 pm
Azikho lo nonsense!
4 Aug 2011, 12:04 pm
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-178:
old poppa really struggles with the concept of banter.
he has thinner skin than water
4 Aug 2011, 12:07 pm
Interesting piece by Simnikiwe Xabanisa, hopefully he is back with the Sunday Times
It would appear that the prospect of watching “real rugby” between the Wallabies and the All Blacks on Saturday has done little to stop our anger about the Springboks.
Peter de Villiers, ever the instigator in getting our backs up, apparently told parliament this week that he deserves a big medal for his management of the Bok team.
Given what has transpired in the past fortnight, his timing might be a little off.
But I must admit that I’m kind of with him on this one.
That he was sharing this choice opinion with MPs, whose main claim to fame is the kind of rabid absenteeism that sometimes makes it difficult to get a quorum to pass laws, is a different point.
As Bok coach for four years, De Villiers should know that he will be deemed deserving of a medal only if his team successfully defend the World Cup.
What he – along with any other misguided soul who has been unfortunate enough to succeed in applying for the Bok coaching post – could be deserving of is a little sympathy.
Few countries treat coaches as atrociously as we do.
There’s a simple template in place when it comes to judging our coaches: if his “philosophy” doesn’t win games from the first match, we fire him, and when things don’t go his way during his tenure, we fire him.
So accepting the job means the poor blighter’s constant flirtation with being fired is officially under way.
A run of 16 wins couldn’t buy Nick Mallett a reprieve from vengeful administrators when the inevitable rough patch arrived.
Harry Viljoen, who in the 1990s got Transvaal and Western Province to play the kind of rugby we’re raving about now, was so spooked by the adverse reaction to a few losses that he played Louis Koen and Braam van Straaten in the same backline.
We’ve all forgotten about the adventurous rugby Rudolf Straeuli had the Boks play in the 2002 Tri-Nations because we weren’t winning.
There’s a whole book dedicated to Jake White’s travails, but judging by the way he’s using every opportunity to pick holes in the current Bok set-up he’s forgotten how lucky he was not to be fired before he could win the World Cup.
De Villiers is no different.
When the players didn’t take to the way he wanted them to play in 2008, he reverted to the boring but “winning” rugby that won the British & Irish Lions series and the Tri-Nations a year later.
You would have expected those wins to buy him time to do his own thing, but winning in South Africa begets more calls for the same. Yet here we are, criticising him for not changing things earlier.
And with the World Cup at stake, there are no prizes for guessing what kind of game the Boks will be playing.
If the Aussies took a similar view, we wouldn’t be raving about the Wallabies now, because that little revolution has taken the last two years to come to fruition.
Our insatiable desire to validate our lives with a Bok win at the weekend is stifling our rugby.
Think about it: the Bulls’ safety-first style dominates our horizon; the Sharks only ever play to their potential in the Currie Cup, not Super Rugby; and the Stormers – once the kings of running rugby – have now become synonymous with defending. The Cheetahs play the way they do because nobody, themselves included, honestly thinks they will win.
If we want entertainment from our rugby, we need to take a slightly less life-or-death view of it.
4 Aug 2011, 12:07 pm
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-170: we do try to be entertaining buddy
4 Aug 2011, 12:07 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-191:
OK this time slowly
I sent you a mail did you get it
4 Aug 2011, 12:08 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-181: haha, ja i did.
checked it out
4 Aug 2011, 12:08 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-191:
he’s a giver not a taker.
4 Aug 2011, 12:09 pm
The “medal” story can be interpreted two ways
Either he wants a medal for doing a good job, (which most here seem to think is the case) OR he wants a medal for catching all the flak that comes with being the Bok coach.
4 Aug 2011, 12:11 pm
PDV is a pop! give him a toffie appel!
4 Aug 2011, 12:14 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-189: ja, its silly i agree.
why should people blog under their own names?
keo can get fukked, simon too, with their “you give me money” line anyways. the money doesnt make them any smarter it seems.
you may have thought jake was a snake but keo is lower i agree.
@Dawn(Dawn)-194: haha, are you saying i am slow?
4 Aug 2011, 12:17 pm
@munkiboi(munkiboi)-196: sometimes he seems like a ars e instead of a bellend imo.
4 Aug 2011, 12:19 pm
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-186: it’s the small things…
4 Aug 2011, 12:20 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-191:
poops is the kind of guy who brings a tennis racket to a ping pong game…
and where’s a box to play beach cricket.
in case his mangina gets injured and he has to be treated by a sefricunt doctor.\
@Dawn(Dawn)-197:
a full medal jacket?
4 Aug 2011, 12:22 pm
sweet jaysus.
wears….wtf …
4 Aug 2011, 12:22 pm
@foreverrugga(foreverrugga)-20: hahaha!
4 Aug 2011, 12:24 pm
@munkiboi(munkiboi)-179:
on a serious note, that does affect me too. its just awful really nad tragic. for a society which seems to have a lot going for it and such a small population i fail to understand what could be cause enough for such behaviour. sad for all, just a sad thing really.
however, because of poppa being poppa i have a load of such articles saved at the ready to pull out on him when he starts bringing up stories of tragedy here.
4 Aug 2011, 12:25 pm
Ha
Got him
“Live rat found in loaf
2011-08-04 11:01
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Brisbane – An Australian woman said on Thursday she was horrified after finding a live rat nestled inside a loaf of bread she bought at a supermarket.
The woman, who had been shopping in Aitkenvale, in Queensland’s tropical north, noticed there were holes in the sliced bread as she was packing her bags into the car.”
4 Aug 2011, 12:25 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-180: Haha!
4 Aug 2011, 12:26 pm
Oh my lord Ryan….are you seriously still going on about this? This is becoming your “plod” rant in the body of Grant10. L E T I T GO. You’ll sleep better at night and you’ll find your mind will clear.
4 Aug 2011, 12:27 pm
When do we get to see the dream team big guns in action or will PDV continue his superb build up by not actually playing his team.
4 Aug 2011, 12:29 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-187: @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-189: Yebo, gogo.
4 Aug 2011, 12:30 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-187: @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-189: hehe waze wangibulala ngokuhleka sbali
4 Aug 2011, 12:31 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-206: Lol…
Way to earn your daily bread…
Be a rat!!
4 Aug 2011, 12:40 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-211: dont kill yourself laughing transie.
though it does seem a pleasant way to go i suppose.
4 Aug 2011, 12:42 pm
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-202: poppa brings a smile to the dial of adidas.
blogging away in his ab underrods, foaming at the mouth and sneering at saffas.
a one man abdf
(all black defense force)
4 Aug 2011, 12:49 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-209:
Ii like that…’dream team’, sounds nice. what would you call the ab’s?
i think everyones money’s on them have a run around in the two home 3n games.
which should by then feature oz and nz’s weakened teams (as you guys will be contesting for the 3n title between you, so will save your 1st teams for each other) so will be a good practice without too much danger of losing.
the two home games and then a solid run in the pools stages will get the dream team match fit for the..?..i’m sorry what should we call the ab’s again?..but yeah, for the ab’s or whoever else we meet.
4 Aug 2011, 12:56 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-185: I agree with you on all counts. +/- cheats everyone and Boks certainly can play better than now.
4 Aug 2011, 12:57 pm
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-188: “i ffuccking hated them for getting away with it and wanted oz to win soooo badly”
You were not alone, Watson certainly wanted too.
But point taken.
4 Aug 2011, 13:02 pm
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-215:
It’s like waiting for the launch of a new i-phone or i-pad but more exciting.
4 Aug 2011, 13:07 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-213: eish Mzingeli, i literally had a stitch because of laughing
4 Aug 2011, 13:12 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-219:
haha, my isiZulu has gone to sheeyit since i stopped guiding and speaking it for 8 hours a day but i am glad i can still kinda follow.
in fact i try to speak it any chance i get as i want to hang onto it.
4 Aug 2011, 13:15 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-214:
maybe the boys at adidas can send him a silver fern branded ball gag,
to prevent further self-harm.
4 Aug 2011, 14:40 pm
Tim Noakes is scared to death of The Tackler.
4 Aug 2011, 14:48 pm
@cane(cane)-222:
tim noakes could do a lot for the ab’s imho…
4 Aug 2011, 14:49 pm
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-115: The point is the Wallabies think they a bunch of Oupa’s.
4 Aug 2011, 14:56 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-224:
well, come sat one of two teams is gonna find out who’s their daddies…let alone their gandaddies, that for sure.
4 Aug 2011, 15:12 pm
Ah once again a Keo journo looking to stir reaction.
“Springboks assistant coach Gary Gold has caused some confusion by saying that the Springboks were ‘rested’
What confusion? Do journo’s think the SA rugby public are incredibly stupid, i find their lack of credit given to our intelligence on the current affairs of Sa rugby rather insulting.
4 Aug 2011, 15:13 pm
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-202: hehehehe
4 Aug 2011, 15:15 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-209: Home leg
4 Aug 2011, 15:31 pm
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-72:
@Transformation(Transformation)-63:
@Transformation(Transformation)-70:
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-74:
i think i got the short end of the stick on that. allow me to apologise…
i am sorry.
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