Boks latest – Noakes influential in ‘rested’ Boks
4 Aug 2011
Keo.co.za brings you news from the Springboks’ camp.
Noakes influential in ‘rested’ Boks - Springboks assistant coach Gary Gold has caused some confusion by saying that the Springboks were ‘rested’ on advice from Professor Tim Noakes rather than injured like they claimed.
Speaking to Beeld, Gold said they had taken the advice of ‘medical people’ like Noakes, a vocal critic of the punishing schedule the players are made to endure, in pulling a group of 21, mostly first-choice, players from Tri-Nations tour.
However, the line peddled to to the media and public was that the players omitted from the Tri-Nations tour were injured, which precluded their selection. Springboks coach Peter de Villiers also repeatedly dismissed claims that they were being rested, and scoffed at reports that they were in a training camp in Rustenburg in a period of what conditioning experts term ‘active rest’ (training without the physical and mental demands of a match).
‘Now that we have given these players a rest, the team is suddenly unprepared for the World Cup. The tour was a disappointment, but we have a lot of experience to fall back on,’ Gold said.
Meanwhile, Gold added that concern about the ageing Springbok team was unfounded. ‘The team is on average 2½ years younger than England’s team was when it won the 2003 World Cup,’ he said. He continued, saying the coaching team is 90% to 95% sure of how their World Cup side will look, with only a few positions still up for the taking.
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4 Aug 2011, 09:15 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-43:
oh ok. i thought he went to chiefs.
4 Aug 2011, 09:15 am
@ufo(ufo)-37: you didn’t have to go to that extent…schalk never turned his back on the team, he was shown sitting on the bench some time during the 2nd half of the match…
4 Aug 2011, 09:19 am
Sorry Prawn
4 Aug 2011, 09:19 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-46: is it, strange deal that, cos i’m sure they can loan him to a lower league team in Germany where they can closely monitor him or send him to Belgium to get game time
4 Aug 2011, 09:22 am
Keo with this whole expose thing is becoming tiring, We know, they know, everyone knows that some were genuinely injured, some had niggles and some may have been rested. Just because a guy has a niggle doesn’t stop him from doing light training, participating in team sessions etc. There’s a difference between match ready and most were not.
Let’s move on and look forward,
Geez, no wonder Keo’s lot get excluded from the Bok inner circle.
4 Aug 2011, 09:23 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-52:
not true. there was a video sequence shown during the game that cut to schalk walking off ‘back to the field’ down the tunnel/corridor to the changerooms/medical rooms or perhaps leaving the building to go to a hospital?
benni’s 34 this year and still dealing with weight issues, was deported from england for eating all the pies and is now ‘humbled’ to return in order to ‘give back’ to the game and the players in sa. haha wouldn’t have signed him without putting him through a fitness test of note.
4 Aug 2011, 09:25 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-54: i am not sure about that information though. He is already settled at Chiefs and playing well but ja it makes sense what you saying.
4 Aug 2011, 09:25 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-52:
yeah transie… i didn’t have to for normal intelligent people like you…
but based on some of the comments made about schalk the other day thought it would be good to give the facts…
4 Aug 2011, 09:27 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-56: Its going to backfire I think.
4 Aug 2011, 09:27 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-55: Dont worry about Keo and his boys, they really think we come here for their insight, its like the guy who created facebook thinking people are logging in on facebook to read what he thinks.
4 Aug 2011, 09:29 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-55:
i’m with you on this bud… injured players often hang out with the squad to keep in touch and in training…
can you imagine what keo and his cronies would have dredged up if all those injured players were simply left to their own devices for all this time…?
they would have written articles saying PdV is useless because he missed an opportunity to get the players together and get them fit and familiar with each other again again and working in combos etc etc etc…
4 Aug 2011, 09:33 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-55:
so…
we know that they what we know that they knew we knew?
who knew?
4 Aug 2011, 09:33 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-56: that was IMMEDIATELY after half-time, schalk was sitting on the bench later in the half watching the game with his teammates. i hold no candle for the guy, but hey, he WAS on the bench. all the negative talk is just unnecessary.
4 Aug 2011, 09:36 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-63:
well at least grantie didn’t catch him on the beach when he was walking jr.
4 Aug 2011, 09:38 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-5:
are the ABs a younger group than the boks?
woodcock, mealamu/hore, ali, brad thorn, mccaw, piri, carter, nonu, smith, muliaina?
ABs may yet field a team older on average than the England team of 2003. here are some very “experienced” ABs around.
4 Aug 2011, 09:45 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-31: A “program” (sic) of resting? Yeah, right! Today we’ll have 8 hours of IR (intensive resting), followed by a meal and 8 hors of video-watching before having a meal and 8 hrs sleep. And tomorrow well have the video watching before some ASR (Advanced Scientific Resting) and a protein shake before 8 hrs of sleep. Then on day 3 ….
Pfft! Pseudo-science 101 by T.Noakes
4 Aug 2011, 09:47 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-63:
yeah, but why ‘massage’ the truth your way and not me and/or ufo’s way?
schalk was shown walking ‘away’ from the ‘team’ after the game had resumed
leading to all sorts of unfounded accusations – fact
schalk was shown sitting on the bench later in the half after having received some intermediate medical care – fact
4 Aug 2011, 09:48 am
boks have become soft,pampered and fat……
Plod as the leader….says it all…
4 Aug 2011, 09:50 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-66:
8 hors (sic) of video watching.
doesn’t sound much like resting to me.
last time I watched a video with 8 hors (sic) I got blisters on my main chap.
very (sic) indeed.
4 Aug 2011, 09:51 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-67: “massage”?
quite frankly i don’t care what you or anyone thinks of schalk, just putting forth my 2 cents qha!
4 Aug 2011, 09:52 am
boks have become smarter, rehabilitated and fit… …
captain fantastic as the leader….say no more…
4 Aug 2011, 09:53 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-67:
calm down.
everybody thinks schalk is a legend except for the kiwis and a few disaffected locals…
that tells you all you need to know.
4 Aug 2011, 09:53 am
back at you…
4 Aug 2011, 09:55 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-72:
what would make transie ‘disaffected’?
silly kiwis…
4 Aug 2011, 09:57 am
@grant10(grant10)-68: Dont let J.Smit’s presence consume your loyalty to your country. He is just a player nothing more. The Springboks are a matter of National importance.
4 Aug 2011, 09:58 am
Liars Liars
Pants on Fires !
4 Aug 2011, 09:58 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-74:
transie likes schalk.
4 Aug 2011, 10:00 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-76:
Which players at the training camp are injured and which are not?
4 Aug 2011, 10:02 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-69:
Are you Charlie Sheen?
4 Aug 2011, 10:03 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-76:
They all have signed medical certificates.
Are you implying fraud?
Oy vey.
4 Aug 2011, 10:05 am
@Robbie Fleck is a legend(WP-Forever)-79:
who?
4 Aug 2011, 10:11 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-3: @Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-8:
‘Ancient’All Blacks to face Wallabies
08:28 04/08/2011
At 36, Brad Thorn will become the All Blacks’ second oldest player on Saturday.The All Blacks will field the oldest side in their test history against the Wallabies at Eden Park on Saturday.
Coach Graham Henry has nailed his World Cup colours to the mast by naming a team of veterans that will closely mirror the starting side in the knockout phase of the World Cup.
Not only will “Ted’s Army” be the most ancient starting XV in the All Blacks’ 477 tests dating back to 1903, they are also the most test-hardened team in rugby history.
The combined 766 caps of the starting side – at 51 tests per player – will take them past the 750 achieved by the Springboks against the Wallabies at Bloemfontein last year.
But it is the age factor that will cause the most discussion in World Cup year.
Henry, 65, is comfortably the world’s most experienced test coach and, with support from Steve Hansen and Wayne Smith, who share more than 20 years of test mentoring between them, the All Blacks of 2011 take on a juggernaut feel.
The starting team has a combined age of 433, eclipsing the sometimes-maligned “Dad’s Army” England side who won the 2003 rugby World Cup final with 423 years under their collective belts.
But has Henry taken the wrinkled theory a step too far?
In his desire to plump for seasoned players, is he clinging on too long to the personnel who have served him so well? Some since his tenure began in 2004.
“I think you have to have a nucleus of experience in the team,” Henry said 12 months ago when quizzed about the ageing nature of his team.
“You pick the best players but usually that correlates to their age.”
One who disagrees is former Wallabies No 8 Toutai Kefu, who yesterday said this year’s All Blacks are lacking fresh talent.
“At first I didn’t think it would be a problem but some of the key players, their stars, are starting to wane a bit,” Kefu said.
“The thing with them is they have been there done that, they’ve been consistent for so long.
“If there’s a time for us to challenge for the mantle I think this year is the time.”
Saturday’s All Blacks have an average age of just under 29, lifting them past the previous oldest All Blacks starting XV who lost to the Wallabies at Athletic Park in 1982.
That side was captained by Graham Mourie and featured grizzled veterans such as Andy Haden and the “Geriatrics” front row of John Ashworth, Andy Dalton and Gary Knight.
Evergreen lock Brad Thorn, at 36, is the current father figure and on Saturday moves past Frank Bunce to become the second oldest All Black. He is one of four starting forwards in their 30s, alongside Keven Mealamu (32), Richie McCaw and Ali Williams (both 30). It would probably be five if veteran prop Tony Woodcock was fit to start.
A senior citizen status also rings true among the outside back division.
At the helm of our oldest starting backline is Mils Muliaina, who celebrated his 31st birthday on Sunday, becoming just the fourth All Blacks starting fullback to hit that milestone.
The back three of Muliaina, Sitiveni Sivivatu and Hosea Gear have a combined age of 87, bettered by just one trio – Wellington icons Allan Hewson, Stu Wilson and Bernie Fraser, in the death throes of their career against Australia in 1983.
At a combined age of 58, Conrad Smith and Ma’a Nonu are the oldest midfield since Bunce and Walter Little in 1997.
In the pack, 2003 World Cup buddies Thorn and Williams are our oldest-ever locking combo by a country mile while McCaw is the oldest to don the No 7 jersey since Ian Kirkpatrick in 1977 and Mealamu the oldest hooker since Sean Fitzpatrick retired 14 years ago.
The baby of the team plays at tighthead prop, traditionally the most gnarled member of any side. Yet Owen Franks is just 23.
Another curiosity is that McCaw will have led both the youngest and oldest ever All Blacks starting teams.
His first test as skipper, against Wales at Cardiff in 2004, featured a team with an average age of 23-1/2. Their 353 combined years scraped under the previous mark of 356 set by the revamped “Baby Blacks” who played France in 1986.
Alongside McCaw at Cardiff for the narrow 26-25 win were several teammates in Saturday’s test – Muliaina, Dan Carter, Piri Weepu, Williams and Mealamu.
A week later the nucleus of that team hammered France 45-6, effectively launching Henry’s eight-year dynasty.
Oldest All Blacks starting XV, v Australia at Auckland, August 6, 2011
Mils Muliaina (31), Sitiveni Sivivatu (29), Conrad Smith (29), Ma’a Nonu (29), Hosea Gear (27), Dan Carter (29), Piri Weepu (27), Kieran Read (25), Richie McCaw (30), Jerome Kaino (28), Ali Williams (30), Brad Thorn (36), Owen Franks (23), Keven Mealamu (32), Wyatt Crockett (28).
Previous oldest starting XV, v Australia at Wellington, August 28, 1982
Allan Hewson (28), Stu Wilson (28), Bernie Fraser (29), Steve Pokere (24), Mark Taylor (31), Wayne Smith (25), Dave Loveridge (30), Murray Mexted (28), Graham Mourie (29), Mark Shaw (26), Graeme Higginson (27), Andy Haden (31), Gary Knight (31), Andy Dalton (30), John Ashworth (32)
Youngest All Blacks starting XV, v Wales at Cardiff, November 20, 2004
Mils Muliaina (24), Doug Howlett (26), Joe Rokocoko (21), Casey Laulala (22), Aaron Mauger (23), Dan Carter (22), Piri Weepu (21), Mose Tuiali’i (23), Richie McCaw (23), Rodney So’oialo (25), Ali Williams (23), Chris Jack (26), Greg Somerville (26), Keven Mealamu (25), Tony Woodcock (23)
4 Aug 2011, 10:13 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-62: You know. Them. They.
4 Aug 2011, 10:15 am
@ufo(ufo)-61: LOl yes, damned if you do and damned if you don’t hey?
4 Aug 2011, 10:16 am
next Fri nite I am going to Newlands to watch the young WP team take on the talented Sharks team in the CC….
Then Sat at the crack of dawn I am arriving at the CT airport to fly to Durban to watch the Boks play Aussies…..I have been lucky enough to get an invite all expenses paid Corporate Box type thingy….
Now PDV I know you read this site……
So hear a plea from a desperate man……
Please….please….please……play Bissy…..
And i dont mean from the bench
thanks
G 10
4 Aug 2011, 10:16 am
@Robbie Fleck is a legend(WP-Forever)-48: Would be interesting to know what the odds looked like in 2007, a month before the tournament started.
Anybody?
4 Aug 2011, 10:17 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-82:
oh no lilly
oops.
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-83:
where?
4 Aug 2011, 10:17 am
PA – I reckon burnout is a form of injury!!! Who cares PDV did the right thing.
PA i wanted to ask do you think PDV left his first choice Boks with Rassie alone to allow Rassie to input more of his own influence? Or did Rassie insist on one to one time with the playes without PDV?
When JW sent his B side over on the 3N away leg pre RWC2007, JW stayed with the first choice players. However this year PDV went with his B side player!
4 Aug 2011, 10:18 am
@Robbie Fleck is a legend(WP-Forever)-80:
Doctor Jannie got his medical certificate book out did he..
never trust a Seth Afrikan…
4 Aug 2011, 10:19 am
i AM SURE WE ALL HAVE A PLAN
BUT SOMETIMES A -PLAN IS STILL A KAK PLAN
4 Aug 2011, 10:22 am
Deceit and lies is a kak foundation.
throw in fat boys club
throw in 3 stooges
throw in accomodation
throw in sentimentality
throw in no opensiders
throw in a fatty at 2
throw in a nontackling showboat at 8
throw in a 1 dimensional skop en jag en bid artist at 10…..
nee dorner….roep die polisie….daar gaan n molestering wees !
4 Aug 2011, 10:22 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-87: You mean WHY?
Reminds me of the Billy Chrystal joke:
“The other day I walked in on my wife and my best friend having s ex. I said “jack? I have to, but you???”
4 Aug 2011, 10:23 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-59:
hasn’t the world heard ‘all’ those platitudes from benni before? hehe
agreed, its probably gonna backfire. a simple series of fitness tests and everybodies a winner, i mean really.
4 Aug 2011, 10:23 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-81:
jeepers do you think those old players will all make it to the world cup? i wonder how that compares to the likely bok team…
F Steyn
JPP
J Fourie
JDV
Habs
Butch
Fourie
Schalk/Spies
Juan/Schalk
Brussouw
Big Vic
Bakkies
Jannie
Smitty
Beast
4 Aug 2011, 10:24 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-89:
let’s hope you or your loved ones will never have to rely on a south african doctor then.
4 Aug 2011, 10:25 am
grant10 – AS you can from the ABs setup, experience is everything come the RWC year!! GH has realised that and is going with the golden oldies.
emember the last game of last year v England? The Boks put in a typical RWC game nad blew the poms off the park! Great spectacle of Bok rugby!! That is the game plan the Boks need to go to the RWC with
4 Aug 2011, 10:25 am
so, 8 weeks of rest and nasal spray perhaps?
on doctors orders…
all the while watching reruns of PDV’s carpark matinee..
bewdiful…
4 Aug 2011, 10:26 am
Dear G10
I don’t give a toss what you think you are entitlted to.
Least of all beacause you aren’t paying a dime.
bEST WISHES FROM ONE SPEEDO FAN TO ANOTHER
PETER DIVOT.
ps fARK SORRY CAPS.
4 Aug 2011, 10:27 am
@virvarksteaks(virvarksteaks)-86:
the boks were at 10 to 1 to win.
there were okes who made a moerse lot of money betting on the boks, i remember reading about it on the papers.
i wont be left out this time round, but the odds are still kuk at about 5 to 1 (bookies learnt their lesson i guess) i think. maybe after the 3n it will get better.
4 Aug 2011, 10:27 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-96: yes….it was great
we moered poms
guess who was at 2
and guess who was in durbs nursing a hammie?
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