Boks latest – Noakes influential in ‘rested’ Boks
4 Aug 2011
Keo.co.za brings you news from the Springboks’ camp.
Noakes influential in ‘rested’ Boks - Springboks assistant coach Gary Gold has caused some confusion by saying that the Springboks were ‘rested’ on advice from Professor Tim Noakes rather than injured like they claimed.
Speaking to Beeld, Gold said they had taken the advice of ‘medical people’ like Noakes, a vocal critic of the punishing schedule the players are made to endure, in pulling a group of 21, mostly first-choice, players from Tri-Nations tour.
However, the line peddled to to the media and public was that the players omitted from the Tri-Nations tour were injured, which precluded their selection. Springboks coach Peter de Villiers also repeatedly dismissed claims that they were being rested, and scoffed at reports that they were in a training camp in Rustenburg in a period of what conditioning experts term ‘active rest’ (training without the physical and mental demands of a match).
‘Now that we have given these players a rest, the team is suddenly unprepared for the World Cup. The tour was a disappointment, but we have a lot of experience to fall back on,’ Gold said.
Meanwhile, Gold added that concern about the ageing Springbok team was unfounded. ‘The team is on average 2½ years younger than England’s team was when it won the 2003 World Cup,’ he said. He continued, saying the coaching team is 90% to 95% sure of how their World Cup side will look, with only a few positions still up for the taking.
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4 Aug 2011, 11:15 am
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-148: Yea I’m sure that story just made his day
4 Aug 2011, 11:15 am
Noakes is right and they were right to have listened to him.
4 Aug 2011, 11:17 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-143:
a white ******?
agent?
join the club.
we are having a victims meeting at Ferial Haffajee’s place tonight.
you are more than welcome.
4 Aug 2011, 11:18 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-153: ******* e r
4 Aug 2011, 11:18 am
“Meanwhile, Gold added that concern about the ageing Springbok team was unfounded. ‘The team is on average 2½ years younger than England’s team was when it won the 2003 World Cup,’ he said. ”
The age is the only thing that is common between Dads armies of England’03 and SA of 11.
4 Aug 2011, 11:19 am
argh
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lol
4 Aug 2011, 11:20 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-149: Cha, ubucasukile ngempela. Ang’hlekanga kanje
4 Aug 2011, 11:22 am
@Nils(Nils)-147: Yupp, don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending him. Just a bit harsh to call someone a bad coach just because he had a bunch of palookas for players. But this goes both ways. Having a team full of special players doesn’t necessarily make you a great coach either.
4 Aug 2011, 11:24 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-150:
Don’t do it
You will sink to that level
4 Aug 2011, 11:25 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-149: :mrgreen” HAHAHAHA @ “le-WAY” ngibonile, ngathi awuyeke ngibeyisethameli okwamanje ngibheke ukuthi izophela kuphi. uyazi ukuthi ubukhuluma iqiniso yingakho nje bekalokho akhulum’ intlamba instead ukuthi aphendule.
8)
4 Aug 2011, 11:27 am
@virvarksteaks(virvarksteaks)-158: Agree and looks like I was too harsh on him – forgot about the horses from ACT and remembered only his last years at the helm of Aussies and Reds days.
Ironically McKenzie did not have any glory in the strongest Aussie franchise and look what he has done to the whipping boys.
I wonder what influence McKenzie would have made on the Boks.
4 Aug 2011, 11:27 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-160:
Stop acting like “Seth Africunts”
We wanna know what you skinnering about
4 Aug 2011, 11:28 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-146: yes, i’m to blame. now all i need is a tattoo like sbw to show repentance
4 Aug 2011, 11:28 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-159:
he does bring out the best in us doesn’t he..hehehe
4 Aug 2011, 11:30 am
@Nils(Nils)-155:
ahh my “latvian” chum…
they’re younger than the All Greys too.
4 Aug 2011, 11:32 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-162: who said we’re skinnering?
4 Aug 2011, 11:34 am
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-165: You missed my point there.
Gold mentioned the age and conveniently forgot that Dads army of England were beating everyone before coming to the WC – SA, Australia and NZ including. They ruled the global mob and WC just confirmed that.
4 Aug 2011, 11:35 am
Gold is an idiot and would definitely not make it in Politics
you need to be more shrewd than honest in times like this
4 Aug 2011, 11:36 am
Noakes wanted these players rested in late 2009. de Villiers has left it far too late, playing his front line players into the ground. Why does this fool always have to do things the hard way.
4 Aug 2011, 11:36 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-159: @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-164:
This is a fascinating place, this “three lettered” website. I don’t post often, but I read most of what’s posted. So many characters, so much vitriol, such unrestrained contempt for so many reasons.
I often can’t relate to the animosity. Sometimes I despair. At others I rejoice – just 15 years ago, so many of us wouldn’t even have been interacting.
Whatever the case, it helps me in my day job. I consider it time well spent.
4 Aug 2011, 11:37 am
@Nils(Nils)-167:
true, they did.
but they were cheating big time since the year before and in the wc year too.
it really pisssed me off no end. similar to the ab’s now, so thats a worry.
took a while for refs and teams to wise up to the **** they were doing and counter it effectively.
4 Aug 2011, 11:39 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-171: I see strong corellation between winning and cheating here.
Poms dominated = cheated. ABs dominating = cheating.
How about your team in mid 2009 (I cannot any other time of dominating in recent decade)?
4 Aug 2011, 11:40 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-160: Ha ha….ubungalekeleli ngani? Bayathanda ukukhulum’ umbhedo lana.
4 Aug 2011, 11:40 am
@Nils(Nils)-172: cannot recall, that is.
4 Aug 2011, 11:41 am
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-170:
agreed.
its therapy of sorts i guess hehe
4 Aug 2011, 11:45 am
howzit crackers!
4 Aug 2011, 11:46 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-164:
The problem is he paints everyone with the same brush
Not everyone here insults NZ the way he thinks we do
4 Aug 2011, 11:49 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-176:
sefefricunt
4 Aug 2011, 11:49 am
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-150:
it is the bashing of babies in NZ that saddens me most. something seriously wrong with sections of their society.
4 Aug 2011, 11:50 am
Won Huuundred and Aaaayteeee!
4 Aug 2011, 11:52 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-176:
I mailed you
Didjagetit
4 Aug 2011, 11:53 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-177: Actually very few do….but h comes on here calling us all ***** then wonders why people have a crack at him
prize ****, wish he’d just stay away but other kiwis probably think he’s as much of a wanker…have to wonder why he’s here all the time, he clearly hates saffas
4 Aug 2011, 11:54 am
ah, i see poppa is back and abusing “seth africunts” like he never had time off?
what is the world coming to when a kiwi promises to stay away because he becomes a rabid foaming lunatic in virtual rugby chat and cant help himself by actually sticking to his word?
4 Aug 2011, 11:54 am
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-170:
You have to have a thick skin
Like a rhino
You’ll get used to it
4 Aug 2011, 11:55 am
@Nils(Nils)-172: NIls I personally think
a) all teams try to cheat to a degree
b) they’d be dominant even wthout those tactics
c) we lose because we are playing poor rugby, not because &^&^(^Richie gets away with so much
4 Aug 2011, 11:56 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-180:
Bully for you
4 Aug 2011, 11:56 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-160: @The_Zulu(The_Zulu)-173:
Mageba iqiniso lelo!! uKeo unamanga standard!!! Madoda abantu abaBlogger lapha bazi ngaphezu kwakhe. Uyanginyanyisa, ucabanga ukuthi angabhala amasimba ngasosonke iskhathi bese mayebhala iscephu esisodwa sesizomuxolela??? udakiwe/uphambene ekhanda lakhe.
Lomuntu kade acabanga ukuthi uyi-KING-MAKER….Uyena ocabanga ukuthi angabhalisa abadlali nabaqeqeshi in and out of teams.Thina sonke siyizilima sizolandela into ayishoyo nje.
Kade ngakhathala yibona, into enginyanyisayo kakhulu ukuthi ibona kuphela abane-medium yokusho zonke lezinto,abantu bagcine sebekholwa ngisho amanga aluhlaza phu!! mase bebanjiwe-All they need is to write 1 piece.Done,finish….Hhayi,ngingafa!!!
4 Aug 2011, 11:58 am
@Nils(Nils)-172:
no,no trust me. get some of those games if you can and watch them again.
all englands tests in sh in 2002 they were doing it. the one thing that stripped my mmoer the most was how their suport runners for the ball carrier would drive right through the rucks on their feet (after the carrier had gone to ground) and then just continue on driving while impeded (tugging, jersey pulling and so on) the defensive opposition players in/at the rucks, sometimes even going well past those players up to halbacks, mids, fh..anyone..and then faking a ‘desire’ to retreat to their onside line after.
while the referees attention had by then switched to the ball from the time of its recycle in the ruck. the result of this was manifold in that the opposition couldn’t contest fairly at rucks as well as not being able to realign their defensive structure quickly and efectively.
one or two players doing this on attack when a team has possession is devastating to the team on defense.
i ffuccking hated them for getting away with it and wanted oz to win soooo badly. just the way i hate the ab’s right now not because they are dominating but because thay are cheating like krunts, simple. the springboks dont cheat anywhere as much to dominate. they dominate the old school way – i.e. cavemanishly, big guy with a club vs little guy with a club. is that illegal? no!
and the sweetner is we get punished for it but you dont, go figure…
4 Aug 2011, 12:01 pm
@The_Zulu(The_Zulu)-157:
Hahaha,ubuhlekani Mageba? bengiphuma intuthu emakhaleni!! LOL, lapho ujika akangiphenduli,ungitshela ukuthi angisho igama lami langempela futhi ngimufakela imali ephaketheni mangiza lana.
Uyinja…Sasicabanga ukuthi uJake inyoka?? Lenja le ithatha is’coco
4 Aug 2011, 12:04 pm
Azikho lo nonsense!
4 Aug 2011, 12:04 pm
@Gunther is an agent for white capital(gunther)-178:
old poppa really struggles with the concept of banter.
he has thinner skin than water
4 Aug 2011, 12:07 pm
Interesting piece by Simnikiwe Xabanisa, hopefully he is back with the Sunday Times
It would appear that the prospect of watching “real rugby” between the Wallabies and the All Blacks on Saturday has done little to stop our anger about the Springboks.
Peter de Villiers, ever the instigator in getting our backs up, apparently told parliament this week that he deserves a big medal for his management of the Bok team.
Given what has transpired in the past fortnight, his timing might be a little off.
But I must admit that I’m kind of with him on this one.
That he was sharing this choice opinion with MPs, whose main claim to fame is the kind of rabid absenteeism that sometimes makes it difficult to get a quorum to pass laws, is a different point.
As Bok coach for four years, De Villiers should know that he will be deemed deserving of a medal only if his team successfully defend the World Cup.
What he – along with any other misguided soul who has been unfortunate enough to succeed in applying for the Bok coaching post – could be deserving of is a little sympathy.
Few countries treat coaches as atrociously as we do.
There’s a simple template in place when it comes to judging our coaches: if his “philosophy” doesn’t win games from the first match, we fire him, and when things don’t go his way during his tenure, we fire him.
So accepting the job means the poor blighter’s constant flirtation with being fired is officially under way.
A run of 16 wins couldn’t buy Nick Mallett a reprieve from vengeful administrators when the inevitable rough patch arrived.
Harry Viljoen, who in the 1990s got Transvaal and Western Province to play the kind of rugby we’re raving about now, was so spooked by the adverse reaction to a few losses that he played Louis Koen and Braam van Straaten in the same backline.
We’ve all forgotten about the adventurous rugby Rudolf Straeuli had the Boks play in the 2002 Tri-Nations because we weren’t winning.
There’s a whole book dedicated to Jake White’s travails, but judging by the way he’s using every opportunity to pick holes in the current Bok set-up he’s forgotten how lucky he was not to be fired before he could win the World Cup.
De Villiers is no different.
When the players didn’t take to the way he wanted them to play in 2008, he reverted to the boring but “winning” rugby that won the British & Irish Lions series and the Tri-Nations a year later.
You would have expected those wins to buy him time to do his own thing, but winning in South Africa begets more calls for the same. Yet here we are, criticising him for not changing things earlier.
And with the World Cup at stake, there are no prizes for guessing what kind of game the Boks will be playing.
If the Aussies took a similar view, we wouldn’t be raving about the Wallabies now, because that little revolution has taken the last two years to come to fruition.
Our insatiable desire to validate our lives with a Bok win at the weekend is stifling our rugby.
Think about it: the Bulls’ safety-first style dominates our horizon; the Sharks only ever play to their potential in the Currie Cup, not Super Rugby; and the Stormers – once the kings of running rugby – have now become synonymous with defending. The Cheetahs play the way they do because nobody, themselves included, honestly thinks they will win.
If we want entertainment from our rugby, we need to take a slightly less life-or-death view of it.
4 Aug 2011, 12:07 pm
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-170: we do try to be entertaining buddy
4 Aug 2011, 12:07 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-191:
OK this time slowly
I sent you a mail did you get it
4 Aug 2011, 12:08 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-181: haha, ja i did.
checked it out
4 Aug 2011, 12:08 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-191:
he’s a giver not a taker.
4 Aug 2011, 12:09 pm
The “medal” story can be interpreted two ways
Either he wants a medal for doing a good job, (which most here seem to think is the case) OR he wants a medal for catching all the flak that comes with being the Bok coach.
4 Aug 2011, 12:11 pm
PDV is a pop! give him a toffie appel!
4 Aug 2011, 12:14 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-189: ja, its silly i agree.
why should people blog under their own names?
keo can get fukked, simon too, with their “you give me money” line anyways. the money doesnt make them any smarter it seems.
you may have thought jake was a snake but keo is lower i agree.
@Dawn(Dawn)-194: haha, are you saying i am slow?
4 Aug 2011, 12:17 pm
@munkiboi(munkiboi)-196: sometimes he seems like a ars e instead of a bellend imo.
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