No room for Lambie
5 Aug 2011
Patrick Lambie has been left out of the 24-man Springbok squad selected for the Tri-Nations Tests in South Africa.
As expected, coach Peter de Villiers has recalled the majority of the players that were precluded from the Australasian tour. The players that won’t be considered due to injuries are Schalk Burger (hand), Juan Smith (Achilles), Andries Bekker (ankle), Willem Alberts (shoulder), Johann Muller (hamstring) and Duane Vermeulen (knee).
Surprisingly, Lambie is excluded from the group, as Butch James and Morne Steyn are listed as the flyhalf options. Chiliboy Ralepelle also hasn’t made the 24-man cut despite his impressive efforts on tour.
Burger, Smith and Alberts won’t be considered for the Test against Australia on 13 August, but will join the squad in Durban and continue with their rehabilitation. Cheetahs flank Heinrich Brussow will be assessed after this weekend’s Currie Cup match against WP, and if the Bok medical team is satisfied with his progress, he may come into contention for next week’s Test.
The big bolter is Gerhard Mostert, who wins a place in the squad ahead of Bulls No 4 lock Flip van der Merwe. Mostert made his debut against the All Blacks last week.
‘It’s very satisfying to see that Victor Matfield and Bakkies Botha have now largely overcome their injuries but they still require management as we have a shortage of fit locks at the moment,’ said De Villiers.
‘We also have injury problems among the loose forwards but I am hopeful that all of the four who are not currently in the playing squad will be ready for selection by the time of the World Cup.’
The squad will assemble in Durban on Sunday.
Springbok Squad for Tri-Nations home Tests:
BACKS:
Gio Aplon
Frans Steyn
JP Pietersen
Bryan Habana
Jaque Fourie
Juan de Jongh
Jean de Villiers
Morne Steyn
Butch James
Ruan Pienaar
Fourie du Preez
Francois Hougaard
FORWARDS:
Pierre Spies
Jean Deysel
Danie Rossouw
Bakkies Botha
Victor Matfield
Gerhard Mostert
John Smit (c)
Bismarck du Plessis
Tendai Mtawarira
Jannie du Plessis
Gurthrö Steenkamp
CJ van der Linde
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5 Aug 2011, 16:26 pm
Morne Steyn – hope this is just merely to give him a last chance to redeem himself – if theyre honestly thinking of having him as the 2nd flyhalf in the squad we are doomed. He has been severely poor of late.
Ruan Pienaar – wow he did such a lot for his inlusion on the tour. Hope this is the same as the Morne Steyn case but I fear not – regardless this plonking useless player will go to the WC. Poor old Sarel – what a travesty.
Pierre Spies – time to haal uit en wys bud. Haal uit en wys. Considering Vermeulen is out injured and Kanko is nowhere in the squad anymore I wonder who will be the official 8 backup at WC? Alberts, Burger or Danie?
Jean Deysel – good inclusion.
Gerhard Mostert – he played well – will be good to see how he goes if he gets game time – bit late to be blooding players though no?
Pretty stupid leaving out Lambie in favour of Pienaar or Morne. Its pointless. Lambie needs more game time too if he´s going to the cup. If they dont take him it will be yet another travesty.
5 Aug 2011, 16:26 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-150: Then you’ll probably get your wish.
5 Aug 2011, 16:27 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-152:
My wish is for the best players to be chosen on merit
5 Aug 2011, 16:27 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-150: Deysel – Stegmann can forget about it – he´s not a fetchers a-hole.
5 Aug 2011, 16:27 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-150: Dream on. Stegmann had his chances and screwed them up. He works hard, but achieve nothing. He is not assertive and has no presence. He is not even in the Bulls run-on side this weekend. Please stop this now – you are making a real fool of yourself. Even if Burger is not fit, someone else, hopefully Keegan Daniel, will take his place.
5 Aug 2011, 16:28 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-147:
give it a rest will you….
there was only ever two hookers in contention for the wc, you know that.
same for johnson, you know well who the loosies were always going to be, notwithstanding injuries to some, there was already a decision problem about who to pick. johnson was never in.
5 Aug 2011, 16:28 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-147:
Chillibooi will be in the WC squad. 3 hookers are mandatory if one of them is also doubling as a prop.
5 Aug 2011, 16:28 pm
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-142: but this is where we ned some savvy, how important is it to test 3 scrummie’s as opposed to having options at loosie
what if Spies, Deysel or Russow gets injured?
then we are FARKED
5 Aug 2011, 16:30 pm
@Papoose(papaown)-158:
Not if it’s Spies.
5 Aug 2011, 16:30 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-155: Theres a host of players who will take Burger or Brussouws place ahead of Stegmann, Francois Louw, Deysel, Keegan Daniels to name jsut 3. I would even take Derrick Minnie ahead of Stegmann.
5 Aug 2011, 16:31 pm
Lambie should’ve been there, not Morne. Lambie has flair but Morne kicks better. Lambie can tackle, Morne doesn’t even try. I can just imagine what the game plan is going to be. Lambie, in a strong team, is better than Morne, also in a strong team. Remember the S15 game against the Bulls? the Currie Cup final last year?
5 Aug 2011, 16:31 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-83: ndiyakuva ingathi wonwabile.
5 Aug 2011, 16:32 pm
@David(David)-157:
@David(David)-159:
thats two side entries hehehe
5 Aug 2011, 16:34 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-154: @Finfan(Finfan)-155:
I’m just trying to help you guys out. He does work hard, and he could have gotten 5 turnovers against the All Blacks instead of his 2 and I pointed out exactly where and how. He gets great support players around him at the Bulls, the whole tight 5 and bench are Boks.
I explained these examples very carefully and if Stegmann made 5 turnovers they would have praised him, but he made 2 instead, and he would not have done anything differently, only the support has to keep their eyes and ears open.
Now what’s wrong with that? He showed that he is an A-team player. Don’t harp on your hate, supply some good comments and refer to the games and the specific passages of play. I did it, because you don’t find articles on the web that point every aspect of the game out.
Do that and then argue with me.
To say that you don’t care to is just admitting you don’t have a good reason, you hate a player because of your provincial bias or whatever.
Relax he’s a heck of a flank.
5 Aug 2011, 16:34 pm
Only Five loose forwards are going to the WC given that Danie also covers the loosies.
Those are: Brussouw, Schalk, Juan, Alberts, Spies
Finish n klaar
5 Aug 2011, 16:35 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-151: Agree with you.
@Finfan(Finfan)-161: Agree.
I think we gonna play the kick and chase game. Ryan was correct we just don’t have any plan for this wc. Our kick and chase game cost us huge last year.
5 Aug 2011, 16:37 pm
Also like Keo alluded to some time in the week, Brussouw will never replace Burger…..Burger will always be included, either at 6 or at 8
5 Aug 2011, 16:38 pm
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-156: David is right. We normally take 3 hookers to the world cup. Chili will go to wc.
That leaves us another 5 spaces left. 30 in the squad.
Will only know who is going after the 3N.
5 Aug 2011, 16:38 pm
15. Morne Steyn; 14. Jean de Villiers 13. Jaque Fourie 12. Juan de Jongh 11. Gio Aplon 10. Ruan Pienaar 9. Hougaard 8. Spies 7. Rossouw 6. Bismarck du Plessis 5. Mostert 4. Matfield 3. CJ van der Linde 2. John Smit 1. Steenkamp. Nice team – better than the overseas leg.
5 Aug 2011, 16:39 pm
Don’t read too much into this people. The journos are desperate for news. This isn’t newsworthy and I doubt it has much to do with the RWC squad. It’s the other half getting a run,
5 Aug 2011, 16:39 pm
Cheers everyone. Catch up later.
GO SHARKS for later.
5 Aug 2011, 16:41 pm
Lambie’s been shanked in favour of the two Steyns: they have more experience and Frans can cover the same positions that Lambie covers. Only problem is, Lambie’s the most in-form and most talented of the three. Pity.
5 Aug 2011, 16:42 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-164: Can you repeat the minute / second he made his “contributions”? I forgot to watch the game again. Once was enough – I almost vommited…
5 Aug 2011, 16:42 pm
Well this is a surprising narrowing of choice – Gurthro and FdP havent’ played in ages and if Brussow is out it seems they going to play Deysel at openside. Should be v interesting to see who is selected for the 1st home test. Lets hope Brussow comes thru the WP game ok.
5 Aug 2011, 16:43 pm
Lambie and Ralepelle have shown on tour they are good enough, but will only be cover in their positions. They are more than likely going to make the final 30 and as they won’t get game time for the last 2 tri-nations games, have been released to their provinces to stay sharp.
5 Aug 2011, 16:43 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-125: how many games did mostert play this WHOLE year, please tell us?
5 Aug 2011, 16:44 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-164: Bud I was watching Stegmann for a long time and he had a period before injury where he was playing better but honestly in 4 years of watching him I cant say he has ever impressed me. Like Cobus Grobelaar – people were always on about how good afetcher he was etc etc – where is he now? He doesnt even make the runon side for the Lions. Good players stand out from the pack beacause theyre always there doing what they do best. Stegmann isnt going to make the WC squad in my opinion and even if he does he wont contribute anything to the cup. Brussouw effects turnovers without support in tough circumstances. Stegmann should have been more effective with guys like Mostert, Danie and Deysel around him who all played well. Greyling wasnt a slouch either. Why do you think Stegmann was subbed at 58 minutes if he was playing so well? I know the subs dont make sense most times but I think they took him off because he was ineffectual against the All Blacks same as he was against the Ozzies. Why is it that you are the only bligger on this forum who is singing Stegmanns praises? I dont have time to go sit and take notes through an entire game to prove a point about some arb player. You are boring me and everyone else to tears here. I dont hate any player (with the exception of maybe Earl Rose and Habana sometimes). Its simple to me – perform or get out. Stegmann isnt preforming. Working hard and being industrious isnt good enough at this level. Haban has been working his *** off for 2 years now but the man has made so many errors that I dont know if he´s worth having in a team. He costs teams games. At least Stegmann doesnt but I still think he´s useless.
5 Aug 2011, 16:44 pm
Thankfully Stegman is out – he has not stolen a ball on the ground in his last 6 tests and a very BIG thanks that Hargrieves is alos out – he is as useless as milk udders on a bull
5 Aug 2011, 16:45 pm
@Dawie07(Dawie07)-178:
5 Aug 2011, 16:45 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-176: Not too many unless you include the couple of darts and snooker games in between
5 Aug 2011, 16:46 pm
@Papoose(papaown)-158:
mostert i guess…
or one of the front row benchers
5 Aug 2011, 16:47 pm
@David(David)-159: hahahaha
good 1
5 Aug 2011, 16:47 pm
@we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-181: how are we going to get anywhere having Mostert as a loosie option?
5 Aug 2011, 16:47 pm
@Puma(Puma)-171:
Cheers Puma.
5 Aug 2011, 16:48 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-164:
I certainly don’t hate him.
But I am convinced he is not test level quality.
Not yet anyway.
5 Aug 2011, 16:48 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-173:
OK, t/o minute 43, minute 54.
Other cockups on support: best example: minute 20, 10 seconds in.
I can point out 4 other examples that are similar I remember more or less where they were and I can get them 4 u k c?
The example with Hargreaves at 20m,10s is best and demonstrates perfectly what I mean, that was a t/o that was thrown away not because Stegmann didn’t do his job, or doesn’t have a “presence” like this one guy said, it’s because Hargreaves didn’t do his job.
c?
5 Aug 2011, 16:48 pm
Later people
5 Aug 2011, 16:48 pm
Agile T: I understand Stegman is a favorite of yours, and I can understand that I have those that I believe to be beyond reproach as well. I watched stegman’s game closely on Saturday as he’s been a player I’ve found suspicious on penalty count, his defense in transitional and set piece play, and his efficacy as a link wing forward. On penalty count, Stegman has a considerable both for the Boks and the Bulls, he refuses to provide daylight between himself as tackler with the play and have second go at the ball, when he relents and shows daylight he’s off his feet. An openside flanker or flanker wing forward has to have anticipation as a defensive skill set, this allows him to react accurately to the run of play, on multiple occasions Stegman unfortunately found himself in an incorrect position to be effective in the tackle situation, and they resulted in tries. As a link loose forward on the offense it’s hard to judge him as the Boks play a very limited one man up battery ram approach so one chastise on that. To be fair if Brussouw is fit, Stegman is not a consideration.
5 Aug 2011, 16:49 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-177:
Actually Cobus Grobbelaar is start at 6 for the Lions this weekend against the Bulls…..
5 Aug 2011, 16:50 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-176:
listen you frikken anorak.
I have no idea how many games, minutes nor seconds Mostert has played the whole year….nor his entire life.
I do know that against the bulls at the tank last year and at loftus a couple months back, he was a frikken giant.
which is a hell of a lot more than that Bekker softie from cape town is.
5 Aug 2011, 16:50 pm
@fromthecouch(fromthecouch)-175: tht makes sense
at least there seems to be a plan now, why have chilli and lambie carrying tackle bags when they be staying fresh from currie cup
much better managing of players than previous seasons
5 Aug 2011, 16:53 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-186: I mentioned that he had “no presence”. I was only joking. I’m certainly not going to watch the game again with a stopwatch ready to see when Stegmann actually did something that was supposedly constructive. I don’t hate the guy, but hell, I watched him play enough to know that he is NOT world class. Average s15 player, maybe and a decent Currie Cup player (when he makes the team). No further debate please.
5 Aug 2011, 16:53 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-177:
Sorry for being a bit boring at times, it’s my hobby to be boring.
But I disagree with you and I have to , and CAN show why, and give good reasons.
I’m just helping you out.
Your post there is full of rubbish, stuff like Baywatch cant make the Lions team etc etc. Brussow has played a test under the 2009 interps last, and really, you mustn’t display a lack of understanding of what you saw in the tests.
I just wanna help.
5 Aug 2011, 16:56 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-192:
Yeah, it’s a tough job that of his position and people don’t seem to rate that kind of work, they see the flashy stuff- ball carries.
You don’t have to sit with a stopwatch, I did all the work for you. I showed those examples during the game to show that he did his work, some of the tight 5 didn’t.
And I repeat this not to bore you guys to tears, I just get asked this a lot. And the answer remains the same.
5 Aug 2011, 16:56 pm
Lambie is a good youngster with a bright future but he is not gonna win you a world cup at this stage of his career. Good cover option at the moment.
Morne Steyn is a kicker par excellence and James gets a backline moving well without sacrificing too much in the kicking stakes.
I think that the early games will be split between the two players and depending on how our forwards perform will dictate who plays in the crunch games.
If our tight five dominate and FdP finds form then Div has to pick Morne. Quite simple really.
Temperament wins world cups and I will never forget Morne’s BMT during the Lions tour.
5 Aug 2011, 16:57 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-180: well i’m waiting to hear where Brigs saw all this Mostert form, because i only remember him having a blinder against the bulls in the last game of round robins, that’s it.
if flip is excluded because of lack if gametime, i just want to know where & when did mostert feature so prominently for the sharks.
imo flip, mostert & anton van zyl were under-utilised by their respective franchises and now we’re hitting panic stations because our franchises don’t rotate enough.
5 Aug 2011, 16:57 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-194: I rate the work of good fetchers: McCaw, Pocock, Brussow. Not Stegmann. Simple.
5 Aug 2011, 16:59 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-188:
HI Mpundulu,
I disagree with you on basically everything you said there.
For starters, you say Stegmann’s Bok penalty count is high. What is his penalty count in a Bok jersey so far then?
You say you’ve been watching closely.
5 Aug 2011, 17:00 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-197:
No, I know you don’t rate him, of course, that is obvious.
I’m not trying to make you rate him.
I am taking away your reasons to claim he had a poor Tri Nations debut.
5 Aug 2011, 17:00 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-196: I don’t know either, but based on what I saw of him, I still rate him higher than Flip van der Merwe.
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