No room for Lambie
5 Aug 2011
Patrick Lambie has been left out of the 24-man Springbok squad selected for the Tri-Nations Tests in South Africa.
As expected, coach Peter de Villiers has recalled the majority of the players that were precluded from the Australasian tour. The players that won’t be considered due to injuries are Schalk Burger (hand), Juan Smith (Achilles), Andries Bekker (ankle), Willem Alberts (shoulder), Johann Muller (hamstring) and Duane Vermeulen (knee).
Surprisingly, Lambie is excluded from the group, as Butch James and Morne Steyn are listed as the flyhalf options. Chiliboy Ralepelle also hasn’t made the 24-man cut despite his impressive efforts on tour.
Burger, Smith and Alberts won’t be considered for the Test against Australia on 13 August, but will join the squad in Durban and continue with their rehabilitation. Cheetahs flank Heinrich Brussow will be assessed after this weekend’s Currie Cup match against WP, and if the Bok medical team is satisfied with his progress, he may come into contention for next week’s Test.
The big bolter is Gerhard Mostert, who wins a place in the squad ahead of Bulls No 4 lock Flip van der Merwe. Mostert made his debut against the All Blacks last week.
‘It’s very satisfying to see that Victor Matfield and Bakkies Botha have now largely overcome their injuries but they still require management as we have a shortage of fit locks at the moment,’ said De Villiers.
‘We also have injury problems among the loose forwards but I am hopeful that all of the four who are not currently in the playing squad will be ready for selection by the time of the World Cup.’
The squad will assemble in Durban on Sunday.
Springbok Squad for Tri-Nations home Tests:
BACKS:
Gio Aplon
Frans Steyn
JP Pietersen
Bryan Habana
Jaque Fourie
Juan de Jongh
Jean de Villiers
Morne Steyn
Butch James
Ruan Pienaar
Fourie du Preez
Francois Hougaard
FORWARDS:
Pierre Spies
Jean Deysel
Danie Rossouw
Bakkies Botha
Victor Matfield
Gerhard Mostert
John Smit (c)
Bismarck du Plessis
Tendai Mtawarira
Jannie du Plessis
Gurthrö Steenkamp
CJ van der Linde
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5 Aug 2011, 17:01 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-188:
I believe that steggman is 2nd best after brussow.
the penalty count argument is always a daft to me.
richie mccaw has conceded more penalties than any other player,ever.
regrettably, as an opensider, it’s almost as if….it is what you do not get blown for that counts the most. And mccaw and lately,Pocock..get away with murder in between their penalty counts.
And even worse….mccaw never gets carded, regardless.
5 Aug 2011, 17:01 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-190: so you’re talking kak when you say mostert had more gametime than flip?
5 Aug 2011, 17:04 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-199: You will never convince me (or anyone else here) that he had a good debut on the EOTY tour in 2010 or a good Tri Nations. You can stop trying. Please, I’m begging you.
5 Aug 2011, 17:05 pm
not quite sure i’d pick stegman over francois louw if brussow is injured, at the risk of Agile doing a backflip and possible recieving a triple bypass.
5 Aug 2011, 17:07 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-202:
I watch the bulls, alot, to say the least.
I don’t remember flip ever starting a game yet….nor even getting a full 40 minutes.
it’s either been matfield and bakkies or matfield and roussow. And, even then…when Bakkies has featured, flip has dropped from the match 22 entirely on occassion because roussow covers from the bench.
mostert has still played more than that.
correct?
(Doooyoouunderrrrstaaand)?
5 Aug 2011, 17:07 pm
So the all of the positions for the backs have been filled and Bambie is not going to the RWC … how can this be when sharkievarkie told us that he is the best.
I guess that he and Elton will just have to fight it out for 2015 … and we know who is going to win
5 Aug 2011, 17:08 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-203:
Sorry, I just get asked this so much, if it isn’t you then it’s some other guy that wants to know. What must I do? Ignore them? Or turn to insults or what?
At least I back my views with evidence and then all of a sudden you can’t reach any of these guys for comment, and certainly not a good one. THey just can’t respond. But in case a guy knows anything about what went down on the day, and reads the comments, he can agree with me lolz.
5 Aug 2011, 17:10 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-205:
Flip did start a feww this year.
5 Aug 2011, 17:11 pm
interestingly enough, for Lambie…..as soon as Freddie M showed up for the “must win games”, Lambie got put at 15. Freddie M slotted in at 10 breaking up a season long combo of 9/10/12 with 7 days prep.
and Freddie M has test matches as a 15 under his belt.
doesn’t say much for Lambie in my humble opinion.
5 Aug 2011, 17:11 pm
So it seems Lambie has already proven himself and is being rested for the RWC, yehaaaaaaaaaa
5 Aug 2011, 17:12 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-207: I admire your tenacity but when it causes people to ridicule you, it is best to stop and discuss something or someone else. Friendly advice.
5 Aug 2011, 17:12 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-145: lol
5 Aug 2011, 17:13 pm
@RL(RL)-206:
robert eberson or gary van aswegen, so long as the brokebacks don’t mess him up, from what I’ve seen so far.
5 Aug 2011, 17:13 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-203: i think the sooner we all agree tht Stegman underperformed for the Boks the better we will all be.
he was not rubbish, just not influential
if you are a smaller loose forward, picked primarily for turnovers then at the end of a mtach the turnover count is 1 SA – 8 NZ, you dont need to be in the starting team. you are small and are not producing the goods for your role
END OF STORY
5 Aug 2011, 17:15 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-43:
Going backwards because of no fetcher to clean out on our side of the scrum so therefore we are always defending kaksak.
5 Aug 2011, 17:16 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-211:
Whose ridiculing me?
You don’t even know who I am.
I give my opinion on the position I played for a decade and a half.
That’s it. And I lay it all out and welcome discussion.
I also destroy the opinion of irrational haters.
5 Aug 2011, 17:17 pm
I was wondering who the extra loosie might be, then remembered that Matfield played 7 on quite a few occasions in France.
5 Aug 2011, 17:19 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-213:
Don’t you mean Sian?
5 Aug 2011, 17:20 pm
Devious Div strikes again. The genius!
Only 2 real loosies in the squad, neither of which is a fetcher!
The brilliant plan is obvious.
Div still believes we have to have both Smit and Bismark in the team, and with the experiment of converting Smit into a tighthead having been shelved, we are now going to convert Bismark into a world class number 6 (in SA) openside fetcher flank. Our new-look back row will be:
6 Bismark
7 Deysel
8 Spies
I wish I’d thought of it.
5 Aug 2011, 17:20 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-216: No, you are not changing opinions. Because you harp on it over and over and over gain, you have lost all credibility. Unfair, I know, but it is your own fault. Analyse a few other players for a change and maybe things will change. (More friendly advice
)
5 Aug 2011, 17:20 pm
@David(David)-217: yes @ toulon….good memory
5 Aug 2011, 17:22 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-209: Well you don’t know much then. You so wrong Brigadier.
The only reason Lambie was shifted to FB when Freddie came was so we had a top class fb. Sharks never had one. So once we moved Lambie to FB and Freddie to fh. We beat your Bulls. NOW do you remember or have you forgotten that conveniently?
Lambie is the only player South Africa has that can play EQUALLY well at fb, fh and 12. Others can play their prefered position well but the other position they cover is not as great.
So you see Lambie was shifted to FB in the last games of the S15 cause we had another great fh not that Freddie took Lambies place, but rather we NEEDED Lambie that can play fb just as great as he does fh.
It could also be that PdV said he was happy with Lambie at fh. Now maybe Morne needs game time there cause he has not been that great. Or out of form. So let Morne play the home leg of the 3N. Well it could be. There are still 5 places left for the wc squad. Cause Chili will go. So add thim to this 24 players selected.
5 Aug 2011, 17:22 pm
@David(David)-217: True, but he wasn’t too great as a 7
5 Aug 2011, 17:22 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-211:
For example, we had Mpudulu fly in- and out of here and type some rubbish in a long paragraph, I just started at one end to help him out, he hasn’t responded yet.
I haven’t got any delusions that I will be able to destroy the prejudice of all these many bloggers that harbor them, I’m not doing that, I’m having some rugby convo where I can. And the ignoramuses can’t respond.
I will do it as long as I feel like it, or until I get banned, Oh kay?
5 Aug 2011, 17:23 pm
@Puma(Puma)-222: thim = him
5 Aug 2011, 17:25 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-224: Fine with me. I’ll skip your posting from now on. Stubborn people normally don’t take advice, so I’m not surprised by your response. Enjoy
5 Aug 2011, 17:25 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-220:
Yeah, it is hard to sift through all these comments related to one topic or player in this mess. I don’t blame them. But I put it out there anyway. It’s not about the credibility of the source, I’m anonymous, remember Finfin.
It’s about how accurate the discussion is and if we take everything re the position and the rest of the team surrounding it into consideration.
5 Aug 2011, 17:27 pm
@Mistral(Mistral)-219: hahahaha. Man, I mentioned that last year and this year. Doubt it will happen.
Always have said I wonder how Bissie can play 6? I think very well actually. Doubt we will see him there though.
5 Aug 2011, 17:27 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-226:
Now why didn’t you just ignore and skip past my posts to begin with? Why bore us with 3 posts about the same stuff not even rugby-related?
Kay
5 Aug 2011, 17:29 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-210:
5 Aug 2011, 17:29 pm
Transie: ndizokuya ePE ndiyobukhela. Kuzabamnandi boy! iBoys zam zizayi thatha icup kulonyakha! Finish and klaar.
Xhosa commentary is just killing me at the moment. uDabane no Zizi hayi hayi barongo, R-O-N-G-O!
5 Aug 2011, 17:30 pm
@Puma(Puma)-228:
Yeah, they just named the players returning. The released players weren’t named. We expect a few to be added. They will train with more than 24 guys.
5 Aug 2011, 17:30 pm
Well, there we have it.
3N 2011 – We are farked… Boks are going to be ducked… zilched… zeroed… Look at this farken squad – this has tinkering TrickyDicky all over it…
The beginning of the end of the Boks reign as World Champs. Straight!
5 Aug 2011, 17:31 pm
That comment about Lambies versatility will have the Frans fans frothing, but I agree with you.
@Finfan(Finfan)-223:
I know, but who else in the squad would cover if there’s an injury to one of the loosies? Bismark could but it would mean JS playing a full 80 mins at 2.
5 Aug 2011, 17:31 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-229: I hope you’d come to your senses
You clearly analyse the game and do it well, but it is not balanced. Pity, because most bloggers here, including myself, only have fun, are trolling or try to get a feel for the views out there. Use you talent to analyse the game as a whole, be objective and include a few other players in your analysis.
5 Aug 2011, 17:32 pm
@Mistral(Mistral)-219:
LMFAO indeed Pdivvy’s deviousness is a weapon. I think his moustache got so heavy that it pulled so hard on his upper lip that his skull collapsed and bruised his brain.
5 Aug 2011, 17:32 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-231:
Dudette, still not responding?
Then try not to write a paragraph with conviction to dis a player.
5 Aug 2011, 17:32 pm
So I am counting 5 places left.
If Juan gets over his injury he will go. If Juan goes will Deysel go? I think yes just in case Juan’s injury flares up. Alberts will cover at 8. Well I think he will.
If Brussow is over his injury he will go.
3 places left. Who else will make it for wc?
5 Aug 2011, 17:34 pm
@David(David)-234: The Beast started his career as a loosie
5 Aug 2011, 17:36 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-232: Chili will be added. Juan and Brussow too if they not injured. So only 3 spaces left. Who you think will make it?
5 Aug 2011, 17:37 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-235:
Well, we should have guys that can look at whatever another area he enjoys in the game.
yeah I did.
That way we have some unity in diversity, did I just say that
Rugby is a team sport, let’s be a team.
as I have just been correcting myths regarding a player that has an excellent case as one of the country’s top fetchers.
So far, my uber talents I have not yet been able to showcase to the full
If I was crazy about the front row maybe I’d be writing a lot about some prop, or maybe not, if I felt that prop wasn’t getting masses of unwarranted criticism.
5 Aug 2011, 17:38 pm
@Puma(Puma)-240:
Do you mean for the 3N tests or the RWC?
5 Aug 2011, 17:38 pm
@Puma(Puma)-238:
There has to be at least one more prop, possibly 2. Four and a half (JS) won’t do it.
5 Aug 2011, 17:41 pm
@Mistral(Mistral)-219:
“I wish I’d thought of it.”
dont beat yourself up, that is why he is the Special One.
5 Aug 2011, 17:42 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-242: RWC. Think there are only 3 places left. Chili will go so will Juan and Brussow if not injured. Add that to this squad and it take us to 27.
@David(David)-243: Who you reckon will make the last 3 places for wc David? Looks like this squad are all going. Chili will go as you said we always take 3 hookers. Juan and Brussow if fit will go too.
5 Aug 2011, 17:42 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-239:
If we’re going to go to those lengths, let’s take Spies as a wing, where he belongs.
5 Aug 2011, 17:42 pm
@Puma(Puma)-240:
Well, only 28 are going, take that squad, add another wing (Lwazi probably) and Chili and the two openside flankers.
The rest is just which ones exactly go.
5 Aug 2011, 17:43 pm
For too long Div has been protected like royal game he has been a disaster. I think after the world cup we need to dress Div up in a tutu give him a spanner and find him a job as a mechanic and show him black, white, pink or green people will pay him what he’s worth. Four years of lottery wins is enough time to move on. Better yet he should just take Makhenkesi Stofile’s advice to “keep his mouth shut and sober up”.
Never before in Bok rugby has a coach with a poor record who makes racist statements and continuously talks drivel never been sacked. It begs the question “who is he sleeping with?”
5 Aug 2011, 17:44 pm
@cab(cab)-244: I mentioned it last year Cabbie and again on sw this year. No-one thought it a good idea for Bissie to move to 6. But I think he would be devastating there. But we will never see him play there. Doubt it.
5 Aug 2011, 17:44 pm
@Puma(Puma)-245:
Yeah I thought so in post 247, if Juan Smith is fit put him in place of Deysel and then the 2 openside flankers and Chili, and then an extra winger, and that’s it.
Though they could reshuffle players all over the place, but this is likely the squad.
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