KeoTV: Plan? What plan?

KeoTV: Plan? What plan?

5 Aug 2011

RYAN VREDE counters MARK KEOHANE’S argument that Peter de Villiers has engineered his current position, saying he hasn’t had an original plan that’s worked at any stage of his tenure.


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  • 51.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:05 pm

    @kaksioek(kaksioek)-36:
    :D

    bakkies…leading the boks…who else…

  • 52.logie_Jumpbuck: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:07 pm

    look, we all know Peter is a clown, just like everybody in the………….aaah stuff it, i’m looking to history where everyone followed a weak leader and won the battle anyway but couldn’t think of any!

    Hey wait, the USA still stuffed Afghanistan and Iraq 6 love whilst following a clown in charge. There is hope!

  • 53.grant10: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:08 pm

    @Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-50: if he did he would drop skop vetgat right out the squad….like plumtree did

  • 54.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:11 pm

    @logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)-52: Americans still die in Afghanistan and Iraq on a frequent basis.

  • 55.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:11 pm

    @grant10(grant10)-48:
    he clearly rates his leadership ability i guess. also maybe he considered it in context of his failure in that regard.

    @Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-49:
    we need to let john know about ‘this guy’ hehehe maybe he can reach out to him?
    it would make for a great ‘oprah’ moment…

  • 56.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:13 pm

    @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-51: OK. Barnes is the referee for that game.

  • 57.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:14 pm

    @kaksioek(kaksioek)-54:
    i was about to say the same thing. having just read the following most recent update on the security situation there:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/world/middleeast/31iraq.html?_r=1

  • 58.Mustard: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:14 pm

    So basically what Ryan is saying is that if the Boks win the WC it will be in spite of Pdv.

  • 59.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:15 pm

    @ET.(ET.)-44:

    Overall he is good for rugby in the WP. He has done a lot of good like establishing structures to help identify and develop players in the WP (for example the WP Rugby institute at S Bosch)- many of these players came through to Super Rugby and Currie Cup level during the last 2 years. The situation is certainly much better than before he came to WP (even the results at super 15 level although he has not won anything but the Super Rugby Conference winners trophy)

    There is the problem with the clubs not being happy- don’t know who is too blame and whether it is possible to keep everybody happy- there is also the problem of good players who came through the system but are leaving (Sadie, Engelbrecht for example).

    Personally I do not agree with the “playing less rugby” philosophy (and a few other things like contracting the right players) but all in all I think Rassie has not done too badly.

  • 60.ET.: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:17 pm

    The overwhelming problem wrt S.African rugby lies with the ruling attitude and mentality of the ultra protective SARU.

    Consider this:

    When PDiv. accepted his job in Jan. 2008 it is surely expected that he did not know all the miniscule items of J. White’s WC plans for the 2007 assualt on that tourney.
    I would add that even in Jan. 2011 he still did not know those specific items of Jake’s WC preparations of 2007.

    Yet he is now, in late preparation for WC 2011, following White’s plan to the ridiculous level of how much oxygen White’s first choices have to consume(a joke for mere emphasis).
    How does he now follow that plan in such GREAT detail if not taking clear and specific instruction from SARU who have most of those details itemised in the many minutes of meetings with Jake(even recalling him from the WC)?

    These are just some of the many and real important things you need to think about and have the guts to ask the questions rationally and unemotionally.

    Instead what do we get,only in S. Africa, other than sheep following a few wolves in sheepskin only to be devoured later and ending up wailing uncontrollably.

    Dummies most, true unadulterated dummies. Little or NO free-thinkers.

    I take no prisoners not even the crying, confused man on the Camps Bay coastline.

  • 61.grant10: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:19 pm

    @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-55:
    no Oprah moment….

    I would simply tell Plod he has not been good enough for 2 years now and if he really gave a damn he would have the good grace to retire.

  • 62.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:22 pm

    @grant10(grant10)-48: check this link:

    http://www.motimes.co.za/562/former-coaches-look-forward/

  • 63.XhosaKid: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:22 pm

    @Mustard(Mustard)-58: Funny that when PDV was giving Henry’s All Black a 3-0 drubbing, he never got the credit, but when things fell apart he got the blame, now even if he wins the RWC, he still doesn’t deserve it but if the Boks dont make it, he gets the blame, WTF!!!!!

  • 64.grant10: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:22 pm

    @ET.(ET.)-60: good heavens young man…..your prisioner?

    Rather shoot me and put me out of my misery!

  • 65.Mustard: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:22 pm

    Looking at the next coach

    Who’s out:
    White-coaching Brumbies
    Rassie-contracted to WP
    Smal-extended irish contract
    Mallet-Saru will never again
    Solomans-Committed to Kings development
    All Foreign Coaches

    Who’s available:
    AC-contracted till end of this year
    Meyer-DOR at Bulls…slim
    Chester-name will be mentioned
    Muir & Gold-unlikely
    Sauls-possible

  • 66.Big Hit: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:22 pm

    Mark and Ryan are in the same boat when it comes to PDV, neither rate him, both think any success was in spite of him and that defeats were down to him.

    How refreshing and balanced it would have been to hear a defence of PDV from a journalist to allow for both perspectives so that readers can draw their own conclusions. Sadly not forthcoming.

  • 67.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:22 pm

    Ja ja ja we all sheep dummies lemmings whatever

    yadda yadda yadda

  • 68.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:25 pm

    @grant10(grant10)-61: and after that RUN! :D

  • 69.Mustard: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:26 pm

    @XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-63: A lot can happen in 2 months. Same things were said about White a month before the WC….and look how things turned out

  • 70.grant10: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:29 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-62: very interesting….i knew Nick would never back Plod

  • 71.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:29 pm

    @XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-63: you’re still bemoaning that?

  • 72.grant10: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:30 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-68: I will just need to jog at half pace….that fattie wont catch me

  • 73.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:31 pm

    Ryan’s hair all on one side like he stood outside in the wind

  • 74.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:31 pm

    @grant10(grant10)-64: if you got imprisoned in a Philly bubker, you’d commit suicide in a matter of hours :D

  • 75.Mustard: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:31 pm

    Pdv single BIGGEST mistake was letting go of the control of this team.

    Never mind game plans…..ball in hand/heads up rugby/skop n jaag blah blah..

    Giving control over to the players as a coach makes you lose perspective and essentially disables you from making hard decisions.

    And im not talking about team selection (ie smit etc) im saying that a coach needs control and with that comes accountability.

    for eg, Mallet said he made a mistake by dropping Teichman, at least i restpect that becasue it is HIS maistake and took responsibility for it.

    With this situation who is accountable and responsible? Who will take the credit? Who will blamed if we get knocked out?

  • 76.ET.: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:32 pm

    @Robzim(Robzim)-59:

    You may be correct or not but that is how you feel and that is fine. I am not sure he did that any better than the no – nonsense Mallett.

    Rassie and his staff simply hand pick specific players(from W.P. junior ranks forwards) to develope but do not know what gems they may possibly be missing from their many clubs.
    If you look at the great W.P. teams of yore you will see players from far and wide(Hammies to Uni-Mil to Goodwood to Vills. to Police to False Bay even to the 2nd. Stell. team, Vics., without a concentration on one or two clubs).

    We need to go back to our roots and watch the club games seriously and have trials too.

    Most of all we need coaches seeped in the W. Cape tradition and reflecting that pride of the hoops like no ‘foreigner’ can.

    I want to see the back of Rassie as he closes the door for the last time from that office of false control.

  • 77.XhosaKid: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:32 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-71: It just goes to show how daft South Africans are, they believe it, almost 9/10 white guys that talk about believe this s hit.

  • 78.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:34 pm

    @grant10(grant10)-70: :mrgreen: lol @ i knew nick would never back plod…

  • 79.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:34 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-47:

    well, you jump to massive assumptions, don’t you?

    where do you read that I don’t enjoy entertaining rugby?

  • 80.XhosaKid: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:35 pm

    @Mustard(Mustard)-75: Credit or Blame must go to the individual/ individuals who beat the British and Irish Lions and Won the Trinations and lost a lot of games inbetween.

  • 81.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:35 pm

    and, as per usual….you don’t ever commit to anything do you?

    be it player wise or coach.

    so once again

    who do You believe is Our best availible coach to take over the Boks?

  • 82.ET.: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:40 pm

    @grant10(grant10)-64:

    Read to understand!
    It clearly says ” no prisoners “. Note too there is only one ‘i’ and not 2(“prisioner”) as you may think.

    And I will not shoot you as it is not in my culture to so do. Life is always precious even for the man in the gutter.
    But I will send you for serious rehabilitation where the end result will be your re-intergration into a truly non-racial society without your gross emotional side shows.
    Note my humanity in the sick world we find ourselves.

  • 83.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:40 pm

    @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-81:

    Met wie praat jy nou

  • 84.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:41 pm

    @grant10(grant10)-72:

    Please get out of the gutter and read to understand.

  • 85.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:42 pm

    @grant10(grant10)-72:

    No bullets will be wasted on the likes of you.

  • 86.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:43 pm

    @XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-77: and the black guys?

  • 87.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:44 pm

    @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-79: the same place you got that i don’t love winning ;)

  • 88.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:46 pm

    @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-81: we don’t have one.

  • 89.logie_Jumpbuck: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:47 pm

    All blacks won’t win the world cup because Dan Carter’s going to suffer a mental breakdown again. Mark my words.

  • 90.XhosaKid: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:47 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-86: Those that know rugby, reckon he is a sell out and lacked conviction to implement what he sold to get the job.

  • 91.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:48 pm

    please….2009 Twakkie just did a copy and paste from a Bulls side that had just handed a kiwi side their biggest ever arse whopping in history.

    and even then he did his best to screw it up by selecting a completely out of sorts Burger who until the second test hadn’t played a game in almost 2 months of injury….all the while Brussow had been showing every week that he was a complete freak of a 6.

    Twakkie has never been able to anticipate/react to “dips” in form and fatigue.

    Everyone could see that by the end of the CC in 2009 the Bulls were absolutely on their last legs for the year. What does Twakkie do…..flogs them all some more on the end of year tour and sits wondering why we can’t get a decent performance or result?

    Thank heavens Twakkie has done a copy and paste number off of Jake white 4 years earlier. At least our Dads Army will be something resembling “rested” physically.

    Of course….the pressure will now really be on for the home tri nation tests.
    If our worldcup starters can’t give the wobblies and kiwis a go old fashion going over on home turf, we should all start being concerned withregards to making it out of the group stages of the worldcup.

  • 92.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:49 pm

    @Dawn(Dawn)-83:

    transexual

  • 93.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:49 pm

    ****, this ET oke gives me a headache. How can anyone be so annoying with just a keyboard at his disposal? He’s the whiniest mosquito I’ve ever had the displeasure of encountering.

  • 94.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:51 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-88:

    hell, are you a politician?

    you just do not commit to anything?

    So, are the boks to sit coachless because we do not have a “coach”?

    who is your 2nd best choice then?

    answer the frikken question,Malema!

  • 95.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:52 pm

    same old **** , different day i tell ya

  • 96.Big Hit: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:53 pm

    Mallet opts for Peter Grant at 10

  • 97.cab: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:53 pm

    Yip Big Hit is correct – the perspectives on here are becoming as one dimensional as the play the bemoan. Put a different view on things – is there any journo out there not dragging the party line.

  • 98.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:53 pm

    @XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-90:

    possibly….much like any politician really.

    should’ve just gone with the honest man who says what he would do and does what he says?

  • 99.Robbie Fleck is a legend: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:54 pm

    @kaksioek(kaksioek)-93:

    He’s a mosquito in a factory of mannequins…

  • 100.ET.: Reply to this comment
    4 Aug 2011, 16:56 pm

    93:

    Unfortunately your sick culture condemned to such pain when confronted by the TRUTH.

    You were ensured a culture of LIES and now you pay the price of pain.

    BTW I am so glad that I have never encountered you.

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