Maybe the SARU boys are saying things to you to justify plods selection…..but you are far off the mark when it comes to the sharks set up….and fark me they should know!!??

And the international teams are loving not having to deal with Bissy….sorry mate, you being taken here…

Look you clearly like JS and it appears you won’t be swayed.

I don’t buy your argument about JS being this great leader , yes he won the WC (with 21 other great players at the time), yes he says the right things and does a decent interview and sells himself to the public very cleverly.

But on pure rugby ability right now his form tells us that he is not the best hooker, probably not in the top 4 on form. He cannot last a full game, his conditioning simply does not allow it and he becomes a liability in the latter part of the game, and offers nothing special for the rest of the game besides doing his primary functions at best adequately.

I also don’t accept that JS throwing and scrumming is better than Bissy’s, JS throwing has been on the decline for some time ,however it is in general play where the biggest issue with JS is, he is slow to the breakdown, misses numerous tackles ,does not hit rucks . The modern role of a hooker is to virtually be a 4th loose forward, Smit simply cannot perform this role. Look at the conditioning of all premier hooker in the world, look at the shape they are in, look at the amount of work they get through, then compare them to Smit………………………. there is no comparison !!

Now I don’t rejoice about him being injured, but I am also not upset about it.

Bissy simply is better and offers more, this is universally accepted, most rate him the best in the world, this leadership thing is overplayed and is an excuse often touted in order to accommodate JS, his win /loss loss ratio over the last year has been shocking, surely if we are losing with him at the helm virtually every game we must try something different ??

Interesting that the Sharks were more successful when Terblanche was captaining the side ?

All I want is what is the best for the Boks, I don’t believe that JS is the best in his position I also believe that contrary to what players are saying that the respect they have for JS as a leader is on the decline !!

This is just my opinion !!

Let’s agree to disagree !!

I think quite a few agree with my view. Changing players is like shifting deck chairs on the Titanic. The problem is at the helm. I’ll leave out SA’s useless officials and administrators and look at Pdivvy and crew. Pdivvy had quite a good idea in 2008 – total rugby. But he didn’t have the actual experience skill or knowledge to implement it. Sadly (and as is a management saying), 2nd class managers appoint 3rd class assistants, Pdiv appointed **** and Gary. One a gifted player but wood from the neck up and the other a clever man but with limited actual rugby experience.

No solid set piece coach/es. No defensive coach. No obvious skills coach. No visualisation coach. No real kicking coach except ole Perce, great player, not the sharpest tool in the shed. So 2008 bombed, 2009 we had a few coaching changes and essentially reverted to JW’s limited but effective plan (great man that eh Skops!!). 2010, rule changes, we bombed. 2011 we’re in another suicide dive. Will we pull out in time? Is JS or F Steyn preggers?

It’s incredibly simple. If you want to win, you must be the best. Players, coaches, administrators and officials. Think Man U and Ferguson.

1. The new defensive approach
2. Beast on the wing
3. Matfield at flyhalf
4. JdV barging with the ball.

Guys these things have been going on for at least three years.

Why don’t we just blame the problem.

1. No game plan
2. No leadership off and on the field
3. Poor management

Easy peesy

Our team is playing badly because the coach and his staff is KAK!! The quicker he (actually they) leaves, the better. Maybe we can get a coach in that knows his stuff.
Maybe we can get Jake White back. At least the Boks looked like they had a clue under him.

72% winning ratio does not mean they are beterr !!!???WTF??!!!
You need a job on the boks coaching panel because you are blind, dellusional and can’t see or accept the facts.In fact, you should replace D divy, because u and him share a lot in common.

I want the ABs to win the RWC, but not if they don’t continue with the high standards in between. Better to loose world cups and win everything in between than plays as the boks now are. I would much rather be consistanly the best in the world than settle for mediocrity and be the world champions.
Sadly, the boks now just look to win a few knock out games every 4 years to be the world champions and have allowed their standards to drop abyssmally in between. Difference between NZ and SA today is you guys are obssesed with the world cup at the expense of everything else, we are not, yes we want to win it but not at the price you guys seem to be happy to pay.
**** the world cup, it has destroyed the 100 year history that exsists between NZ & SA which to me is far more important.

You get 40 minutes (probably closer to 50 or 60) of good rugby and very good leadership with John. Victor simply doesn’t bring the same to the team, everyone says it, inclusing the Aussies and New Zealanders. I have to believe that not all these people are delusional. I have spoken to members of Saru and they echo this. So I’m prepared to give that point of view some credit, even if it seems hard to swallow at times,

I also don’t believe that Bismark is as good as everyone thinks he is (and not everyone does). He’s amazing at times, average at others and a penalty magnate fairly often. Doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be there, but we mustn’t be blind to the fact that he has faults as well as strengths. Line outs, and scrums are not as good as John, and you and Grant go on about the scrums all the time, and the fact is that John at 2 = stronger scrum than Bismark at 2. I’m not getting into the John at prop debate, i’m with you on that score, he should be substituted not shifted. It’s a gross error to play him at prop.

I still believe that John has value, and yes he’s lost a bunch of tests as captain but you must ask yourself, would those tests have been won without him? I doubt it, the whole team has been bad for the last 2 years, Victor included.

I just don’t think that getting rid of John will change things at all, in fact i think we have more to lose than gain.

Even then I must say that it’s dissapointing to see some of the rejoicing here that has gone on at the prospect of him being forced out of the WC through injury.

Not cricket if you ask me.

As for others here who believe that he sets the tone and that he has a negative effect on the team, I don’t buy that at all. There is no evidence to honestly support that notion other than anyone’s personal perspective based on their dislike for the player. In fact I believe, based on the opinion of the players, coaches (both local and international) that there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the opposite is in fact, true.

Thats more ore less my squad … leave Smit and F. Steyn out

Smit can play coachie coachie in the change room if he really needs to feel a part of this lot… but he’s passe klaar gelag kaput as an on field contributor and especially as some kind of aura inspiring mega galvanizing captain marvelous who has not won a single meaningful test in the last two years but a ONE !!

“can’t follow any discussion on here”

Thank goodness! Finally!

Now you know how we all feel reading your posts!

sad man, so sad.

Bakkies for 40 min tops… Mostert…. Bismark… Brussow… Deysel… Beast… Alberts… Vermeulen…. Strauss…. perhaps Burger… and Spies only on the front foot but not in the trenches… Smith if he can get his health and his mojo back

Those are the vokmavoorters who can resurrect this lot..

Not Smit, not Fdp and not Matfield…

Those are PdV’s kingpin pillars of strength… Smit, FdP and Matfield… the 3 biggest self serving prima donnas of the entire lot

He only needs ONE captain on the field not 3 palookas baying to the ref.

He should play Hougaard at 9 and Vermeulen or Alberts at 8 with Alberts or Deysel at 7 and Brussow at 6 – Schalk and Spies off bench.

Bakkies/Mostert and Matfield in 2nd row and no need for Smit ANYWHERE (not even off the bench) because Strauss or Chili will offer far more when opposition legs tire and we need more mobility in the last 30 mins of 2nd half.

so tell us what you think, say it once not a thousand times and say it without insults or simply put, be confined to the “idiot box”.

your choice.

@cab(cab)-630: ou doosie cabbie, didnt know you were here, howzit!