KeoTV: Boks must win big

KeoTV: Boks must win big

17 Aug 2011

MARK KEOHANE argues that Victor Matfield and his mighty men can’t be excused defeat to the the Back-up Blacks.


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  • 201.JockBok: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:23 pm

    @I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-192:

    If there’s 3 backs on the bench, you’ll have Butch or Morne depending who’s starting, Hougaard, and it would then make sense to have JdJ.

    Might be better to have the fight out between Lambie and Butch for FH, but Div will have Morne in the mix somewhere. No doubt whatsoever.

    Catch you later mate. Gotta shoot for a while.

  • 202.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:23 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-193: As long as they respect the red and white, I don’t give a shet who they are.

  • 203.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:24 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-172: she was “attacked”?

  • 204.cab: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:26 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-198:
    oh really, yeah my sis was saying all loaded, but not too lekker.

  • 205.JockBok: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:26 pm

    @charo(charo)-196:

    Haha, nothing div does would surprise me anymore. 4 years of playing the fool could be the greatest con trick rugby has ever seen….

    …..you hope ;)

    Out for now.

  • 206.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:26 pm

    @I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-199: I won my tickets on the radio, so I guess that’s a sign that I should mingle with the people. I hope they hand out disposable plastic seat covers.

  • 207.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:27 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-202:

    You’re gonna smell ‘soet koejawel’

  • 208.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:28 pm

    @cab(cab)-204: All that talk of his gold crusted chequebook, and what did we get? Lionel Mapoe, Pat Cilliers, Bandise Maku and about 3 games from Butch. Not exactly Abromovich then.

  • 209.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:29 pm

    @mpundulu(mpundulu)-195:

    Ok let’s talk rugby

    What in your view are the essential qualities of a 12?

  • 210.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:29 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-207: Sies man, daar’s girls hier.

  • 211.I am a stormer: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:30 pm

    @JockBok(JockBok)-201:

    To cater for most, we could have in the squad:

    SH: FDP & Hougaard
    FH: Butch & M Steyn
    12: JDV & Lambie
    13: Jaque & JDJ
    FB: Frans Steyn & Aplon.

    Oops. No Ruan. Sadly, there are only so many places available.

  • 212.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:31 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-203:

    Well… yeah.., you virtually attacked her or attacked her virtually

    Remember to me it’s always the principle

  • 213.cab: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:32 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-208:
    lol, ja bladdy disaster.

  • 214.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:33 pm

    @I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-211:

    Appels has disappointed me in the green and gold

    Ruan should not be there on current form, but a PdV favourite

  • 215.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:35 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-208: you must take gumede for a moegoe :-)

    which poephol do u know will spend all of his money on a promise of ownership?

    when it came to the crux the verkrampte gemors that have run that union down for years resisted change!

    mtn would’ve never associated itself with the lions if it wasn’t for gumede

  • 216.charo: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:35 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-200:

    hardly “playground”

    didn’t have a clue what you said in isixhosa…………….

    and neither did 99.9% of the bloggers here.

    that is exactly the point.

    why revert to another language when you are so rattled you cannot reply in the language originally used?

    sorry my sunshine – shows you are hiding something.

  • 217.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:41 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-215: He is a moegoe. And he bailed out because no one there shared his dream of a pan African “all black” rugby franchise. Surprise surprise. If he is so keen on this whack plan, why doesn’t he back the EP Kings? Surely this hot spring of black talent is the ideal place for him to realise his Malcolm X rugby dream.

  • 218.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:42 pm

    Guys I need some assistance here.

    I quite like the concept of ‘keoTV’ – was not here a few years back

    Has Simon ever done a recording?

  • 219.charo: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:43 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-214:

    aplon is streets ahead of pienaar….

    if only for heart and speed.

    muchos respect for that kid.

  • 220.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:44 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-215:

    ‘Verkrampte gemors’

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-217:

    ‘Malcolm X rugby team’

    bhabhabhabhbahbahbahhjahahahahahah

  • 221.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:46 pm

    Anyway, that’s it for me. Good night all.

    Go Lions.

  • 222.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:46 pm

    @charo(charo)-219:

    Big fan of Appels myself

    However, I feel they – ABs and Aus – target him and unfortunately his team mates do not always cover for him

    Great with ball in hand, however I need him to finish more often

  • 223.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:47 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-217:
    yes, he is a moegoe…but so are the people he tried to work with…
    two moegoes don’t make a mango…

  • 224.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:48 pm

    @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-223: You’re right, they are. And two moegoes only make a moegoemoegoe.

  • 225.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:52 pm

    i still say ep married to transvaal is the way to go. they could alternate their base camp every season and for a bonus would have a great name…the lion-kings…

  • 226.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:54 pm

    @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-225: Alternatively, The Kings of Lion.

    But cool names aside, it’s a very kak idea. Hope you’re sufficiently embarrassed.

  • 227.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:54 pm

    Still waiting on mpundulu’s reply on my question on 12′s

    I need to say that my soccer knowledge has improved by more than 100%; coming off a low base of course

    So soon I will be able to hold my own there as well

    It’s just the positions thing that I’m not getting

  • 228.carol: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:55 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-218:

    I was actually introduced to Simon…..he was eating a sandwich at his desk at the time!! :-)

    Better looking than Keo and does not have a ‘funny accent’ like Ryan!!

  • 229.charo: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:59 pm

    watching this french u18 vs sa academy……

    the days when sa kids were physically superior has long gone.

    our guys are getting manhandled.

    bit of a worry for our future.

    and with that negative note………………………..

    cheers all – logging off.

  • 230.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 22:59 pm

    @carol(carol)-228:

    Yes but Simon would not have hit on you, or did he?

    Ryan does not have a funny accent. Ryan is the Herschelle Gibbs of keo, but I like the fact that he is just being himself.

    I’ll still have a gatsby with him…

  • 231.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:00 pm

    @charo(charo)-229:

    ciao charo

  • 232.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:05 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-226:
    you mean the kings of lie-in….

    after seven biblical years (and a few more real one’s to) of famine for the lions, the torrid times the boks have had and most every other sa super franchise whats to be embarrassed about?…

  • 233.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:06 pm

    @carol(carol)-228:

    Have I confused you?

  • 234.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:08 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-212: i just think helen’s point, whatever it was, disappeared and she was ‘romanticised’ and when i quizzed her original thought all i got was how i wipe my a_ss and how stupid i am for not seeing that rassie & nienaber were going implement this stormers defence that impenetrable. i never got an answer on the dynamics of how all of this was going to happen, nothing.

    but hey she ostensibly made an impression here :-)

  • 235.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:08 pm

    @carol(carol)-228:
    “Better looking than Keo”…wow, i cant imagine who should be more offended by that if they read the posts at all…keo or john?…

  • 236.Rhys7: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:13 pm

    Ok I agree with Mark about this because both coaches know their starting 15′s by now, the boks knew theirs at the end of the EOYT, as have the all blacks for a long time. This cannot be put down to experimenting..

    If SA and NZ do meet in the RWC and with everyone whos available now still not injured the teams would look like this:

    15 Francois Steyn
    14 JP Pietersen
    13 Jaque Fourie
    12 Jean De Villiers
    11 Bryan Habana
    10 Butch James
    9 Fourie Du Preez
    8 Pierre Spies
    7 Juan Smith
    6 Schalk Burger
    5 Victor Matfield
    4 Bakkies Botha
    3 Jannie du Plessis
    2 John Smit
    1 Tendai Mtawarira

    16 Bismark Du Plessis
    17 Gurthro Steenkamp
    18 Danie Russouw
    19 Heinrich Brussouw
    20 Francois Hougaard
    21 Morne Steyn / Patrick Lambie
    22 Gio Aplon / Juan De Jongh

    V

    15 Mils Muliaina
    14 Cory Jane
    13 Conrad Smith
    12 Ma’a Nonu
    11 Sitiveni Sivivatu
    10 Daniel Carter
    9 Jimmy Cowan
    8 Kieran Read
    7 Richie McCaw
    6 Jerome Kaino
    5 Ali Williams
    4 Brad Thorn
    3 Owen Franks
    2 Keven Mealamu
    1 Tony Woodcock

    16 Andrew Hore
    17 Ben Franks
    18 Sam Whitelock
    19 Liam Messam
    20 Piri Weepu
    21 Colin Slade / Israel Dagg / Zac Guilford
    22 Sonny Bill Williams

    The boks need to perform or they will be winless in the tri nations and face a Wales side which showed that when it truly matters they can defend like a champion team.

  • 237.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:14 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-234:

    She made an entrance not dissimilar to rossoneri a few years ago

    To be fair, lilith/ optimus prime was just a lot more controversial

    Who knows: maybe she comes on here tomorrow and apologise to all, you’ll never know…

  • 238.Rhys7: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:18 pm

    @Rhys7(Rhys7)-236:
    Sorry I also ment to include Hosea Gear at 11 with Sivivatu the other wing in the squad

  • 239.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:22 pm

    @charo(charo)-216: spin it however you want… :-)

    when confronted with absurdity my *sigh* was in my mother tongue & i have to make no apologies about that.if you don’t understand it scroll on, there are some who get it.

    try harder ol chap 8)

  • 240.Rhys7: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:23 pm

    @I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-211:

    You could look at it this way:

    SH: FDP / Pienaar
    FH: Butch / Steyn
    11: Habana / Hougaard
    12: JDV / Lambie
    13: Fourie / JDJ
    14: JP / Mvovo
    15: F Steyn / Aplon

  • 241.Nils: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:24 pm

    @keo(keo)-28: “Disgusting that they see fit to drop the Bok game to bt the Wallabies in Brisbane (as those 8 will all be available for last test) … disgusting on our part because they rate the Wobblies higher than us”

    Because it is exactly so, like it or not. Unless Boks themselves start to treat voyages seriously.

    On a positive note, those B+ Blacks are more than capable to pull Boks pants down, unlike those examples of “vast pool of talents” sent to the slaughter.

  • 242.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:25 pm

    Guys I have to dash

    Cane has already had to coco pops in NZ (9h25 am ) there

  • 243.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:29 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-234:

    i found these interactions quite amusing hehe:

    # 168.willievz: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 13:50 pm
    @Helen(Helen)-145:
    An opensider is not about making turnovers. It is about slowing down the ruck ball so that your defensive line can realign and that you stifle the opposition of a quick recycle.
    In other words, it is about attempting a steal or making it difficult for the tackled player (in the air or on the ground) to place or offload the ball and the supporting players to support the tackled player.

    Come ruck or collision time, the deck player (I don’t like the word fetcher) also needs to help structure the ruck on defense or offense, and it helps to have a low center of gravity here as it is very difficult to counterruck a player with a low center of gravity.

    Otherwise you are entering the vicious circle where you are just going to make tackle after tackle and the opposition ruck ball just gets quicker and quicker. And not even the best tacklers in the world (which Burger certainly falls under) can save you from this.

    # 182.Helen: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 13:54 pm
    @willievz(willievz)-168: Willie, you forget that it is the second player at the breakdown who performs this function and his job is made easier when the opposition is tackled aggressively, either backwards or being turned…

    # 199.willievz: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 13:58 pm
    @Helen(Helen)-182: Where did I forget this?
    Why can’t your 6 be the second guy at the ruck?

    And in any case, you will not have the same player attending consecutive rucks anyways.
    The trick for the opensider is to cherry pick the collision he enters, it is about anticipating which phase in general or collision in particular there is a chance to slow down or potentially poach the ball.

    Which is why having Bismarck and Brussow (and Burger to a lesser extent) helps tremendously.

    # 217.willievz: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 14:04 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-186:
    Huh?

    The three 80-min players should not be subbed at all, barring injury.
    Which means there are 12 players instead of 15 who should be subject to being subbed, of which (as you rightly state) only 7 can be subbed.

    # 219.Helen: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 14:05 pm

    @willievz(willievz)-207: Yes, but at least we’ll have 13 substitutions, hey?
    Better not advertise that, otherwise the Kiwis will insist on the same perks….hahahaha…

    # 228.willievz: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 14:09 pm
    @Helen(Helen)-219: 13?

    # 230.Helen: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 14:09 pm

    @willievz(willievz)-217: Willie, let me explain something. You can’t have only 3 players playing the full 80 mins. With 7 subs, that means that you need 8 players to play the full 80. Do the math, it’s not that difficult.

    # 263.willievz: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 14:34 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-230:

    Hold your horses there. You either misinterpreted what I said, or are looking for fun, or are trying to pick a fight because I disagree with you about Schalk and now you are trying to get me involved in a ping-pong exchange of posts.
    So consider this my final response to you.
    By 80-minute players I meant that those are the guys I don’t want to get subbed, ever.

    Of course I know there are 8 players who would need to play the whole 80.
    So on that note, adios.

    she means well but has a few blonde moments….

  • 244.I am a stormer: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:32 pm

    @Rhys7(Rhys7)-240:

    Someone has to pay the price. I think Ruan should stay behind as cover in case of injuries at the WC.

  • 245.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:33 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-242: cheers marshal :-)

  • 246.Nils: Reply to this comment
    16 Aug 2011, 23:50 pm

    @nama1(nama1)-62: 13 to 9 in SA, that’s the blackest part of those stats.

  • 247.Black Panther: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 02:31 am

    “Good old Wayne Smith blowing smoke up every South African’s arse. Lovely chap”

    Tweets Keo

    maybe the Host doesnt recognise genuine

    ‘respect’

    when they hear it.

    What were they expecting – turning up in Port Elizabeth, stepping off the plane, and promptly labeling the Host-nation players as

    “cheats” ?!

  • 248.Black Magic: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 02:44 am

    @keo(keo)-28:

    Interesting. So still 3 days to the game, but hands down, the boks have got the game won.

    Personally, I think probably the boks will probably get up in a close encounter, but the last 20 mins might change that, I certainly don’t think anything is set in stone for this match. What the ABs lack in experience, the should make for in skill and fitness levels and a determination to win and a pride in the jersey that used to be part of the bok mindset as well.
    Just remember, it just that sort of pride that cometh before a fall.

  • 249.Black Panther: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 03:13 am

    @Black Magic(Black Magic)-248:

    Just as long as its the ABs learning that very same lesson. Im wondering whether Lord Ted will be toooooo worried about a Loss to the A-Boks as it would give him some focus-points heading in to the Cup, as the HK-Bledisloe did prior to Eden Park’11.

    Altho, beating the Boks on home turf – where the ABs have never won (under Home Refs) – would certainly come with deep satisfaction too.

    kia kaha

  • 250.Black Panther: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 04:24 am

    24 hours after hail and *SNOW* fell in Host City, Auckland, it was bathed in brilliant blue skies and a balmy 13degs sunshine bliss.

    (stick that in your barrel and goofy your tube, Charo)

    Ladies, come dressed for All 4 Seasons

    on and off the pitch.

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