623 Comments

• 1.seabiscuit:
  17 Aug 2011, 06:04 am

  Agreed!!!!!….. Dont mess around this dragon SA rugby!!!!

• 2.OCO:
  17 Aug 2011, 06:13 am

  Well said Keo.
  5:2 split on the bench at the RWC with Lambie and Houghard as replacement backs.
  We won’t win the RWC so we should use the matches to give experience to at least some of the future Boks.

• 3.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 06:23 am

  Keep him at 15. Clearly his best position where he can step in as an optional first-receiver, rather then being relied upon there. Also safe under the high ball, can kick, and runs well from the back – we don’t have many good all-round fullbacks in SA.

  A back-up 10 & 15 at this World Cup, but his future is at the back competing with Frans Steyn for the Springbok 15 jersey.

• 4.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 06:26 am

  @OCO(OCO)-2:

  Not the time to give up is it?

  Can’t see the positives in throwing a World Cup in order to give future players just a few extra games?

  Springboks can still do it. I think they’ll surprise us.

• 5.RL:
  17 Aug 2011, 06:53 am

  I am afraid that Lambie will just have to accept that he will not see much game time at 10 or at 15. Plums plan is to play him at 12 next season, he has already signed up Viljoen to replace the average Ludik, the frog owns Lambie at 10, which leaves Plum with the opportunity to fix the Bosman mistake.

  This will leave Elton in pole position to claim the Bok 10 jersey, after finishing his second super campaign.

• 6.TheTackler:
  17 Aug 2011, 07:13 am

  Compare Lambie with James O’Connor who — at the same age — is already a seasoned test veteran with dozens of proper caps — not 10 minute cameos at the dying end of a test.

• 7.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 07:20 am

  @TheTackler(TheTackler)-6:

  To be fair, very different sort of players.

  Also Australia don’t have near the depth that we have so have to make the best of the players they’ve got.

  O’Connor is a freak and has huge confidence. Not so sure Lambie would’ve coped making his Super rugby debut at the age of 17 for example?

• 8.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 07:22 am

  @RL(RL)-5:

  Let’s hope that’s not the case. Bosman has been a big failure but not sure Lambie has the physical attributes to be playing at 12. While we all complain about Jean de Villiers and Wynand Olivier being battering rams – at the very least you need a 12 who can do just that, not always, but at least have that ability.

  Worst thing the Sharks ever did was cast aside Andries Strauss. Very very underrated.

• 9.Staal:
  17 Aug 2011, 07:29 am

  Good morning all.

  Let’s hope for the best – cause he’s been shifted around like music chairs…

• 10.BULLET:
  17 Aug 2011, 07:30 am

  I suggest that once he helps us win the RWC, we change him from position to position for a few years, then let him leave the country to go play 2nd division rugby somewhere, get fat, lazy and come back with a poor attitude. I mean surely that’s how you best manage talent?

• 11.stew:
  17 Aug 2011, 07:35 am

  @BULLET(BULLET)-10: Its the Sharks influence and IMO Muir – he nearly ruined the careers of Steyn and Pienaar with his constant moving around – this utility idea must go

• 12.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 07:35 am

  If we’re going to blame anyone, it should be John Plumtree. Moves him around far too much.

  But Lambie also needs to put his foot down. These guys need to get over the ‘what’s best for the team’.

  If a player is looked after, then the team will benefit. At the moment Lambie isn’t being looked after.

• 13.bryce_in_oz:
  17 Aug 2011, 07:36 am

  The entire ‘brains-trust’ starting with SARU and their head-coaching team need to be educated in how to both ‘invest-in’ and ‘manage’ youngsters coming through the ranks without putting unneeded pressure on them by throwing into the deep -end…

  In Peter De Villiers tenure there have been over 50 youngsters (yes over 50) ‘blooded’ in some form and exposed to international rugby whether that be caps for the Boks, Bok ‘B’ side, Emerging Boks, mid-week teams or at the very least at Bok training camps…

  How has this translated… well it simply hasn’t when one looks at the farce that was the ‘B’ team recently…

  In four years none of the above exposure has been managed correctly, done under the Bok ‘master-plan’ and with everyone on the same page… whether they make the step-up or not…

  Dumb c@nts all round in RSA rugby!

• 14.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 07:38 am

  @stew(stew)-11:

  He pretty much drove them out of South Africa. Pienaar left because he knew he’d get a chance to stay at scrumhalf if he moved to Ulster. I mean they were playing Rory Kockott ahead of him at the Sharks!!! What a joke.

  Francois Steyn same thing. Only changes in the Sharks team every week was to do with where Frans would be playing.

• 15.Big Hit:
  17 Aug 2011, 07:39 am

  @TheTackler(TheTackler)-6: O’Connor had a good number of flop performances too, it turns out the only safe position in which to play him is on the wing.

  Lambie gaining experience in different positions at a young age will be good for his development and understanding of the game. He has plenty of time to specialise.

• 16.BULLET:
  17 Aug 2011, 07:41 am

  I am anmopuncing my joke 15 based on the last 3 weeks conditioning and performances
  1- F Steyn (has the size)
  2- F Steyn (must have the softest butt in rugby currently)
  3- Smit (PDV currently demonstrating what a force smit is at 3)
  4- Bakkies for 17 mins, then replaced by Spies for his tight play
  5- Hargreaves for his physical ability to stamp his authority on a test.
  6- Russouw- who needs a fetcher when we have a player who carries and catches this well.
  7- Stegman- relying on the first the worst, second the best breakdown approach.
  8- undecided
  9- bissy as he does enjpy loitering at the back of the ruck, and showed his value by pop passing to fdp under pressure to force a charge down instead of taking it up and freeing up some backs in the ruck.
  10- matfield. We’ve seen more of him trying to play 10 than 5. Got to be the tallest 10 in world rugby.
  11- Jannie Du plessis (nothing against him, just employing our new attack and defense system)
  12- Russouw (was a great centre to matfield v the aussies)
  13- waynand olivier to complete the bulls 10,12,13 axis.
  14 – beast, another product of our new defence system shown on saturday.
  15- M steyn… Need I say more.

  I have played Russouw and F Steyn in 2 positions cause I felt that their contribution was so telling last saturday, they equalled 2 men!

• 17.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 07:45 am

  @BULLET(BULLET)-16:

  Swap Rossouw and Matfield. Then we’d have a 10 who plays flat, and can hold onto the ball with one hand like Quade Cooper.

• 18.BULLET:
  17 Aug 2011, 07:47 am

  Hendrik,
  In the boks, we coach our players to pass back 10m or so. This flat approach is outdated. When you’re only going to kick or take crashball, its best to do it 20m behind your forward pack, cause for them to turn and run backwards is very uplifting!

• 19.iceman:
  17 Aug 2011, 07:48 am

  @TheTackler(TheTackler)-6:

  One should never compare this sort of thing in players as all players develop and mature at different rates, normally players you take longer to develop have longer careers because their bodies are given more chance to fully develop before and hence can handle the rigours of rugby better.

• 20.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 07:49 am

  @TheTackler(TheTackler)-6:
  to be fair though, a wing and a pivot when compared is really chalk and cheese.

• 21.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:00 am

  anyway, whoever said they were not goin gto invest in lambie as a possible future fh. granted of course he’ll have to fight for his place.

• 22.Champs 95 07 and Beyond:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:04 am

  If we have to have a 5/2 split I guess Lambie and Hougaard can cover all the positions in the backline. After this WC Lambie should only be played at 10 and not moved. I believe the Lions have our future 15, just cant think of his name right now but showed pretty well in Super Rugby at the age of 20. If Frans Steyn manages to turn that fat into muscle the No 12 jersey is calling.

• 23.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:10 am

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-17:
  on a serious note though, i think thats where daniel should play or perhaps better still at 12.

• 24.RL:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:11 am

  @TheTackler(TheTackler)-6: O’Connor has something Lambie does not possess … pace.

• 25.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:12 am

  @Champs 95 07 and Beyond(Champs 95 07 and Beyond)-22:

  Jaco Taute? Not so sure. Good player but a Springbok?

  Frans Steyn is still a ‘youngster’. He is our future at 15. Him and Lambie Even with his extra weight he still wasn’t half bad on Saturday. Let’s see what he can do before we throw him aside.

• 26.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:14 am

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-23:

  How much better off we’d be if we could clone Heinrich Brussow. Only genuine openside in South Africa at the moment.

• 27.garth:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:16 am

  @BULLET(BULLET)-16: You should put PDV as your coach and JS as your captain, that’s the biggest joke of them all… just a pity it’s true.

• 28.Dwis:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:22 am

  To be fair to plum, lambie was his first choice FH all year but picked him at 15 for the bulls game to counter their kicking game. And it proved to be a stroke of genius. Against wp on friday he was picked at 12 for his defence and got a masterclass from fred. Fred is only here for the cc and lambie will play 10 all year again.

• 29.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:22 am

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-26:
  i will admit he gave me hot flushes at times on saturday.

• 30.RL:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:23 am

  @BULLET(BULLET)-18: Elton is the best distributer around, he hits the gain line with pace, often resulting in line breaks. His passing and offloading to players is kiwi like.

  He is a specialist 10, coaches know not to stuff him around like some utility players out there.

• 31.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:24 am

  @Dwis(Dwis)-28:

  Ah wrong. Fred is here next year for Super rugby season as well. And there is talk of extending his stay.

• 32.Champs 95 07 and Beyond:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:24 am

  @ 25.hendrikp: Frans at 12 and captain of backline. his experience for the next 4 years is crucial. Bulls, Sharks, WP need to contract him and get him out of Europe. Future Possible Backline:
  9- Sarel ( going to gain valuable experience playing for Waratahs)
  10- Lambie (get Naas and Percy to coach kicking and tactical kicking)
  12- Frans
  13- DeJongh/ Sadie
  11- Mvovo
  14 – Basson
  15 – Taute

  I can only go on what I have seen in Super Rugby. Dont get to see much SA rugby. I truely hope there are youngsters coming through.

• 33.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:27 am

  @RL(RL)-30:

  We’re stuffed at 10 for the moment. Jantjies a talented player but his boot will never win us games. Also not much of a defender. Maybe Super 15 is his ceiling?

  I like the idea of Johan Goosen. But that’s still a few years off.

• 34.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:28 am

  Tough case. How long has Michalak signed for? 2-3 years? Frenchie will clog up the flyhalf channel for the most of those 2-3 years. I would like to see JPP maybe moved to fullback, he will be great there. Lambie can fill in for the weak link Bosman at 12.

• 35.Champs 95 07 and Beyond:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:29 am

  Oh yes keep and eye out for a young guy named JP du Plessis an awesome winger. He has spent the last couple of years here in Sydney. He has played for a rugby league side here called the Roosters/ Sydney City. And has now switched back to Union. Scored 3 tries for Manly. He is returning back to South Africa I believe with a contract to WP(?) He has played junior rugby for SA

• 36.justrugby:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:30 am

  Skop has often spoken about rugby being a young man’s game , after giving this comment some extended thought I have conclude that he is spot on !!!
  Any player over the age of 27 who has played test rugby I believe is on the decline. (obviously there is the exception).

  If you think about it, a player at 27 has probably played top rugby for a period of 12 years, here I am including top school boy rugby, from u16 level, u21, Vodacom, CC ,S15 and test rugby, year in , year out. The legs and body as a whole have been pounded every week over this period, there is no way a player at 27 with this amount of rugby behind him is as fast , as explosive, as strong as a player of say 23, or 24. (remember at 27 the average test player would have had their share of serious injuries)

  Now I look at the current Bok side and see our backline with Butch at over 30, Jean at over 30, Jacque at 28, Habs also approaching 30. Now it’s not just age that concerns me it’s age plus the amount of rugby these guys have played over the years, it’s the combination of the two that is the concern

  If you look at our pack, JS, VM, Bakkies, Danie , all over 30 and all played a high level and continual rugby for years. How many more explosive jumps has Vic got left in him, how many more rucks can Bakkies hit with same intensity of maybe 2 /3 years ago, Danies pace has been on the decline for some time.

  Now compare these players to players who are in their prime at say 24/25 ??

  We ask why our backline looks so redundant ? when they are up against the Coopers, Mitchells, Genias, Sonny Bills , Guliford, etc etc, our guys based on age and wear and tear simply are not fast or explosive enough anymore to really compete with these young, fast, skilled and “hungry” players .

  Now all our players I have spoken about are all great players and have been for some time but they are in decline, we have got the best out of them, their best is not still to come , it has already been given!!!

  If I was the next coach I would look at players younger than 28, those over 27 unless the exception, I am afraid we have already got the best out of them.

  You will find more and more players making debuts at test level at between 20-22 and bowing out at about 28, if nations want to remain competitive and be consistently successful I think that’s the way to go, irrespective of how successful a player has been. !!!

  The Lambies, Sadies, Hougardts,Kosters,Brussow, Elstads etc, etc need to be playing test rugby consistently sooner rather than later, if not we might just miss their best years at the expense of players who have already given their best !!

  It has become a young man’s game, just the way it is !!

• 37.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:32 am

  @Champs 95 07 and Beyond(Champs 95 07 and Beyond)-32: Frans needs to settle now. I agree he is more suited to 12. He has monster defence and can take pressure off his flyhalf by taking some kicks.

• 38.RL:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:33 am

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-33: his defense is on par with Lambie’s. He like Lambie and Sias are on the small side but they can tackle.

• 39.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:34 am

  @Champs 95 07 and Beyond(Champs 95 07 and Beyond)-35: When is he returning? He played for the Rebels in S15 right?

• 40.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:35 am

  @Champs 95 07 and Beyond(Champs 95 07 and Beyond)-32:

  Sarel, no way. He can’t tackle to save his life, and despite the amount of tries he scored he didn’t do the basics very well. He should rather be playing 7′s. Not even in the top 5 in SA.

  Lambie I just think is a fullback. Where he’s gone best. I think we should rather look after the player then look at what’s best for the Springboks. If we do what’s best for our players then things will come right at test level.

  Basson and Mvovo? JP Pietersen is still young. Sithole is potentially a better winger then Mvovo. Basson missed the 2nd most tackles in the Super 15 after Pretorius. When the game is 50% defense I think you at least need someone who can tackle.

  Juan de Jongh is the future at 12. Moves the ball around a bit, can play the bash it up sort of game and is a strong defender in the most attacked channel in rugby.

  And Jaco Taute is a good player, but no international.

  Better off looking at:
  9 Ruan Pienaar / Francois Hougaard
  10 Someone from Morne Steyn / Sias Ebersohn / Elton Jantjies / Peter Grant
  11 ?? Not sure, but definitely not Mvovo or Basson. I’d go Jaque Fourie.
  12 Juan de Jongh
  13 Johann Sadie
  14 JP Pietersen / Gio Aplon
  15 Francois Steyn / Pat Lambie

  How can you expect to compete when you have the two players who missed way more tackles then anyone else in the Super 15?

• 41.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:37 am

  @Champs 95 07 and Beyond(Champs 95 07 and Beyond)-35:

  Not sure what’s happening with him. Saw the Rebels let him go and thought Jake White might snap him up but that didn’t happen. And he hasn’t signed for any SA side yet.

• 42.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:38 am

  @RL(RL)-30: you are spot on….that Elton is looking damn good…

• 43.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:41 am

  @justrugby(justrugby)-36: 100%%%%%%%

• 44.Champs 95 07 and Beyond:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:42 am

  @ 39.Sasuke: In the press here it says he is on his way. Played his last game for Manly. Not sure if he played for Rebels possibly one or two games. The ex Saffa and league player Saffie played for Rebels

• 45.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:42 am

  @justrugby(justrugby)-36:

  Can’t agree with you at all. Some terrific players are on the wrong side of 20.

  Often it’s more to do with opposition targeting them, as well as people getting so used to them doing certain things they take it for granted.

  NFL athletes have their best years when they start hitting 30. They put up with as much if not more bruising then rugby players?

• 46.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:42 am

  @Sasuke(Sasuke)-37: i also see Frans as a 12

• 47.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:43 am

  @Champs 95 07 and Beyond(Champs 95 07 and Beyond)-44:

  Only played 3 odd minutes versus the Hurricanes. They released him after signing Beale and O’Connor.

• 48.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:47 am

  People complain about Jean de Villiers not passing the ball, and now want to play Francois Steyn at 12?

  Lest we forget we didn’t score any tries versus England in the World Cup final 2007 when we had Steyn at 12.

  Can’t see the point in replacing one player with someone who plays the exact same style, and hasn’t got the same sort of experience there.

• 49.Desmond_Tiete:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:47 am

  obviously Elton will look good in a “Vodacom Cup Standard” – Currie Cup! Hell even WP “B” are looking good! … Elton had a shocking Super Rugby Tourny and he must be judged on that! he is no Lambie! – Its like comparing Fourie Dup with January!

• 50.Champs 95 07 and Beyond:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:47 am

  @ 40.hendrikp: Pienaar is another Slap Chip. Slow and boring!!!! Agree with Hougaard versatile. Yes I forgot about the Ebersohn brothers. Thought JP Pieterson was much older but if under 26 he is future for next 4 years.

• 51.Desmond_Tiete:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:49 am

  also Aplon had a shocker Saturday! one have to wonder if he just isn’t a good Super Rugby player – not Int standard – almost like Wynand!

• 52.justrugby:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:51 am

  @grant10(grant10)-46:

  Agree, only thing is with FDUP, Morne and Steyn , all 3 who’s first instinct is to perhaps put the ball to boot, not sure if it will improve our backline play.

  Frans with his size will also be inclined to want to bash it up, I think if you going to change for the sake of getting the backline going De Jong might be a better bet ??

  Not sure ,FDUP ,Butch and Steyn were pretty good in 2007 though !!

• 53.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:53 am

  @Champs 95 07 and Beyond(Champs 95 07 and Beyond)-50:

  Pietersen only 25 at this stage. Think Sadie will have an excellent season in 2012, which means Jaque & Jean may have to take on a reduced role. Fourie is a hard runner with deceiving pace, and a genuine finisher (3rd all-time for Boks) – I’d use him on the left wing. Jean as a utility back.

  If not Ruan Pienaar, then I think Conrad Hoffmann if he gets some game-time at the Sharks could be the back-up. Brilliant player who’s been struck down by injuries. Very very quick.

• 54.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 08:55 am

  @Desmond_Tiete(p0ppa69)-51:

  Aplon needs to be playing on the wing. He takes high balls straight on which is suicide. Not enough courage for that, and can you blame him? Also doesn’t have a very good boot on him. Just not accurate enough to be playing 15.

  As an international winger, he could be a real star.

• 55.BreakdownBoy:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:14 am

  @Desmond_Tiete(p0ppa69)-51: Don’t know where you come with that idea, the guy punches way above his weight and is the best attacking player we have. Yes he aint the complete package, he needs to work on his kicking, but don’t compare him with Meisiekind, for one Aplon has scored great tries in the bok jearsey, Wynand has never performed not even against northern opposition.

• 56.justrugby:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:17 am

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-45:

  Hi Hendrik

  See below does not really support your statement ?

  “”In addition to a decline in rushing yards, the NFL’s all-time best running backs also scored well fewer touchdowns. As Cockcroft (2008) notes, “Those all-time great running backs lost 20.4 percent of their touchdown production from their age-29 to age-30 seasons. Then, they lost another 13.7 percent from their age-30 to age-31 seasons and 11.9 percent more from age 31 to age 32. In a matter of three years, from their age-29 through age-32 seasons, history’s greatest running backs lost 39.5 percent of their touchdown production.”

  The reason for the decline in performance by running backs after they turn thirty is most directly related to the decline in necessary skills after the athlete has reached his physical peak. While some other skills may be improved upon in order to maintain or even improve performance after their physical peak at age twenty-five, the most important factors in a running back are the purely physical characteristics such as speed, quickness, explosiveness, and power.”

  Remember I am saying their is exceptions, but when the bulk of your squad is over 30 or approaching 30 they are in decline !!

• 57.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:24 am

  @justrugby(justrugby)-56:

  Completely different expectations from the players. A running back is nothing more then a battering ram. The faster and more agile you are the better. And obviously most people are at their best in their early 20′s

  Rugby players develop their skills and knowledge of the game over time. Being at the high end of 20 might slow you down, but you develop other skills, while the experience at a higher level consistently also helps.

  I just don’t think being on the wrong side of 20 should or does matter.

  The Boks aren’t in decline because of their age. They have been left behind in terms of playing style. If anything I’d say they’ve gotten better as a unit. We weren’t exactly playing extroardinary rugby in 2007 were we? Narrowly beating England in a WC final.

• 58.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:25 am

  @BreakdownBoy(goodstuff)-55:

  3 tries in 15 tests. 2 of them on the right wing.

  Best attacking player my backside.

• 59.ruggerbefok:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:29 am

  why so much on the benni mccarthy of rugby -frans steyn.he was in shocking condition with one of the bloggers on fox sports saying he looked 15 kg overweight.common Mark call a spade a spade -like Lambie is the future,so is Frans Steyn not-should not take him to world cup.seems more interested in ridiculous looking image as well

• 60.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:32 am

  @ruggerbefok(ruggerbefok)-59:

  I couldn’t care less about what he looks like. Still has amazing skills and had a good game on Saturday.

• 61.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:33 am

  There is just something about Frans Steyn that screams class, with the right conditioning he can still go on to play many tests for the Boks.

• 62.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:34 am

  @BreakdownBoy(goodstuff)-55:
  your just defending the merits of one non-elite player against anothe non-elite player.

• 63.HHS:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:35 am

  @Sasuke(Sasuke)-61: The only thing he is screaming is “Supersize it”.

• 64.keo:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:36 am

  Frans Steyn is committed to a few more seasons in France. Next year (so starting now) Lambie should be at 15 and Aplon has to be on the wing. Both these guys have Xfactor. Why are our coaches so scared of picking blokes who can create

• 65.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:36 am

  @Sasuke(Sasuke)-61:

  Spot on. Steyn is one of the best. Show me another fullback who can slot drop-goals from 60 metres, or is incredibly comfortable under the high ball. Makes huge hits. Excellent cover defender.

  Francois Steyn is one of the best in the world. Let’s not forget that simply because of his haircut or a few extra kilos.

• 66.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:36 am

  @ruggerbefok(ruggerbefok)-59: they won’t. they have love affair with frankie steyn @ SA Rugby Magazine.

  if they call him on his extra 10kg, his dad will bar them from “exclusive interviews” in Racing and give then SASI. in fact just wait for jon cardinelli to accuse PdV of being responsible for Steyn’s rubbish conditioning.

• 67.justrugby:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:37 am

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-57:

  True , but remember I am not referring to age alone, I am saying it is age plus playing at the top level for many years that is the problem, the wear and tear aspect !!

  See below for further input.

  Actually quite a fascinating debate , I am no expert though so my input is based only on my opinion and from what I see on the field !!

  “Based on data gathered by several sources, it appears unquestioned that, in general, athletes reach their peak of on-field performance in their mid-twenties. After that, nearly all athletes regress as their physical skills decline, even only slightly. When an athlete is playing versus the absolute top athletes in the world in his sport, even the slightest decline in physical ability can cause a noticeable drop in performance. For running backs, it may be lacking that burst that previously enabled him to reach the hole a fraction of a second before it closed. For a wide receiver, it may be losing the ability to separate from the fastest players on the field, cornerbacks. And for quarterbacks, it may be not quite having the same velocity on the ball to squeeze it into the tightest of holes in the pass defense without being tipped or intercepted. There is a constant influx of young, hungry, and physically gifted players coming into the NFL, which makes it harder and harder for aging players to maintain their performance year after year. “

• 68.HHS:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:38 am

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-65: Like a Benny McCarthy?

• 69.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:38 am

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-65: he can’t be all of that when he is carrying 10kgs extra!

  he is in competition with piri weepu these days.

• 70.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:39 am

  @keo(keo)-64:

  Aplon on the left wing then? I like it, a lot… but the argument about getting slower with age gets thrown out the window then considering Aplon turns 30 next year.

  Yes with Lambie at 15. Keep Frans Steyn involved, but Lambie at 15 until he commits to coming back to SA.

• 71.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:39 am

  @HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-63: :LOL: hahaha

• 72.HHS:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:40 am

  I thought Derek Coetzee is Mr Mastermind himself when it comes to conditioning.
  FS is a fatty, JS is a fatty and Butch was sucking in some big ones 15 min into the game. What’s going on here?

• 73.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:41 am

  @Sasuke(Sasuke)-61: no doubt, but currently he is a disgrace to the Boks jersey, dikgat!

• 74.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:41 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-69:

  I haven’t put him on a scale. All I know is he didn’t put a foot wrong on Saturday. Compared to Aplon who dropped 2 balls and had one shocking touch finder.

  I know who I’d prefer.

• 75.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:45 am

  @justrugby(justrugby)-67:

  Doesn’t interest me too much, but I use someone like Randy Moss as an example. He had by far his best season with the Patriots when he was 30. Slightly slower, but perfected other aspects of his game.

  I understand what you’re saying. But getting older shouldn’t be a deciding factor.

  England won the 03 World Cup with a side that had almost all their players over 30.

• 76.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:46 am

  @keo(keo)-64: because keo, picking lambie, gio and whoever will complete the back three is just the beginning, they will need to be coached to work in unison – running lines, support, timing. we can’t just chuck lambie @ 15 with habana & jpp, who even after close to 8 years of bok rugby DON’T work together, and hope for “creativity” to manifest from thin air.

• 77.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:48 am

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-74: Frans also had one come off the side of the boot and he also misconnected with a punt down field handing the ball to the Aussies on a silver platter. He was good on Saturday but he did put a foot wrong.

• 78.HHS:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:50 am

  Lambie should get use to the bench imo.
  Taute will be Bok 15 soon and Elton will play 10.

  It’s a joke fan boys…. relax.

• 79.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:52 am

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-74: it said there on the screen Francois Steyn 110 kg

• 80.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:53 am

  If I could pick a Bok team right now for next year. I’d try change to having a somewhat expansive game. We are going to need to start scoring some tries if we are to keep up with NZ and Australia.

  1 Coenie Oosthuizen – Potential to be best loosehead in the world.
  2 Bismarck du Plessis
  3 Jannie du Plessis – Stick with him.
  4 ? Maybe Flip vd Merwe. We really going to miss Bakkies.
  5 Andries Bekker – next in line obviously.
  6 Heinrich Brussow
  7 Schalk Burger – He’s still got a few years in him.
  8 ? Open contest. Spies if he starts performing consistently.
  9 Ruan Pienaar. Varies his game more then Hougaard. Needs to come back to SA though. Struggling with the speed at the moment.
  10 Really don’t know. Maybe Jantjies? I’d probably go with Peter Grant until a suitable 10 came through.
  11 Jaque Fourie – Excellent player, but Sadie runs better lines. Fourie is a genuine finisher. I’d love to have him on the wing.
  12 Juan de Jongh – Play more expansively. Like it.
  13 Johann Sadie – Will be a star next year. Watch this space.
  14 JP Pietersen
  15 Pat Lambie / Frans Steyn.

• 81.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:53 am

  @HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-78: jeez i forgot about Taute, he is way quicker and creative from the back!

• 82.>^..^< katman:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:53 am

  @HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-78: A joke? I don’t think so. Taute is one season away from green and gold. And if Jantjies continues to progress at his current rate, it’s not too far-fetched to suggest he could be in the running pretty soon.

• 83.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:53 am

  I think the Sharks will determine where Lambie gets used for the Boks. It looks like he will play 12 and 15 for the Sharks seeing that Michalak is at 10.

• 84.chucky:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:55 am

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-80: Delusional

• 85.HHS:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:56 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-81: I’m keeping an eye on Taute but he can be a bit on and off but he will get there. Against the last weekend Cheetahs (The only SA Crusader beaters ) he was great.

• 86.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:56 am

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-82: Will Jantjies even start for the Lions with Butch there? I cant see someone start for the Boks if he cant even start for his Franchise.

• 87.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:56 am

  @chucky(chucky)-84:

  ??

• 88.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:57 am

  I confused.

  Bryce in Oz is telling me to get into gold and keo is telling me to invest in Lambie.

  What should I do with my trust er um hedge fund?

• 89.HHS:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:57 am

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-82: Shhhhh man. I know that and you know that. I’m just keeping the fan boys calm. Preventing a London here.

• 90.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:58 am

  @Sasuke(Sasuke)-86:

  Should do. Mitchell used James more as a 12 then a 10 this season. Or switched them around a bit.

• 91.chucky:
  17 Aug 2011, 09:59 am

  Lambie to Learn from Michalak at the Sharks. He will be playing 12.
  Much like
  Carter/Mertens – Saders
  Giteu/Larkham – Brumbies
  Gascot/Wilkinson – Eng

  Boks Backline post RWC

  9. Hougaard
  10. Lambie
  11. Mvovo
  12. Juan Dejongh
  13. Sadie/ Taute(plays similar to JAque Fourie who started at 15)
  14. Pietersen
  15. Steyn

• 92.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:00 am

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-80: I posted a similar team yesterday.

  I had

  for 2012 (without overseas based players)

  1. Beast
  2. Bismarck
  3. Jannie (will be reaching prime for a prop)
  4. Flip
  5. Bekker
  6. Brussouw
  7. Burger
  8. Spies
  9. Hougaard
  10. Lambie
  11. Mvovo
  12. de Jongh
  13. Fourie
  14. JPP
  15. Aplon

  16. Chiliboy
  17. Coenie
  18. Elstadt
  19. Alberts
  20. Duvenage
  21. Jantjies
  22. Sadie

• 93.>^..^< katman:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:00 am

  @Sasuke(Sasuke)-86: While the cat’s away, the mouse will play. Second choice players all over SA are using the opportunity to stake their claim while first choice players do Bok duty. And if they make a big enough impression, a coach will take a lot of convincing to drop them for the last part of the CC. Jantjies is cementing his spot in the team with every start he makes. Even a guy like Hollenbach will be hard to drop once Doppies is fit thanks to his very impressive form. Good coaches let fresh talent shine, not just established players.

• 94.justrugby:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:01 am

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-82:

  Agree !!, looking forward to seeing him on Friday, you obviously also going ??

• 95.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:01 am

  @HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-85: yup, he was ripping them to shreds, that killian try beginning of the game was something to behold..jantjies, mapoe – quick hands to – a marauding taute who rips steps in side, draws 2 defenders, offload to killian who is running the sweetest of lines…score.

  i even saw mitch give a short round of applause

• 96.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:04 am

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-82:

  easy richardt the leoheart.

  let’s see if they can improve on last years super 15 performance first.

  ne?

  Did you see that one ear, one eye Ftizie is fronting the “Abstain for the All Blacks” Campaign?

  Oh the irony.

• 97.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:04 am

  @Sasuke(Sasuke)-92: Fourie still there for his experience….he can pass on a lot of knowledge to the youngsters in that backline. He will be my vice-captain in the backline.

• 98.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:04 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-79:
  cheesing myself hehehhe

• 99.justrugby:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:04 am

  @Sasuke(Sasuke)-92:

  Not bad , I would have Flip nowhere near a bok side though and I would play Vermeulen ahead of Spies everyday of the week !!

• 100.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:05 am

  @Gunther(gunther)-88: is your trust…ahem hedge fund a shareholder in a management company contracted to the limpopo department of transport to oversee tenders for the next 2 years at a cost of close to R200 million?

• 101.Puma:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:05 am

  Well said Keo. I agree 100%.

• 102.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:07 am

  @Gunther(gunther)-96: Telecom and the New Zealand Rugby Union have confirmed All Blacks coach Graham Henry was approached to front the controversial Backing Black abstinence campaign.

  But both organisations dispute claims that he was against the campaign, saying he was unable to be involved due to time limitations as the All Blacks prepare for the Rugby World Cup.

  Multiple sources had earlier told Fairfax Media that Henry was against the campaign and didn’t want to be involved.

  Backing Black has been described as a ”tongue in cheek” campaign which calls on All Black fans to abstain from *** during the World Cup and will be fronted by former New Zealand captain Sean Fitzpatrick. Backing Black is also endorsed by the NZRU as the All Blacks’ official fan club.

  ”Very early on, the idea of including Graham Henry in this campaign was discussed with the NZRU, as Graham is a fan of the ‘Abstain for the Game’ concept and was keen to be involved,” Telecom’s chief marketing officer Kieren Cooney said in an emailed statement to Fairfax Media after the company took umbrage at the report that Henry did not want to be involved.

  ”However after discussion with the NZRU and Graham we all agreed that his focus should be only on winning rugby games, at which point we approached Sean.

  ”For the same reason, at no time have we approached any of the players themselves or discussed any elements of the campaign with them.”

  The NZRU also emailed a statement to Fairfax quoting chief executive Steve Tew.

  ”In the early phases Graham was one of the celebrity options discussed to front the campaign,” Tew said. “Graham was interested in being part of the campaign and certainly did not say it was a terrible idea, but it was agreed that for 2011 the key area of focus needed to be on preparing for the big season ahead.

  ”The players were not involved in discussions around the concept and theme as the campaign is about the fans and does not involve the players.

  “Telecom and BB (Backing Black) are great supporters of the All Blacks and they put a lot of energy and creativity into getting fans involved.”

  Earlier in the day, Mark Watts, Telecom’s head of external media, had told Fairfax Media the company had no comment on claims Henry was the initial choice to front the controversial campaign and that Fitzpatrick was brought in after the All Blacks coach refused.

  ”I think that is pure speculation. I can only talk about what I know and I know that Fitzy is the right man for the job … all credit to Fitzy,” Watts said.

  Fairfax’s sources say Henry did not like the campaign and that senior players were aware of its controversial nature as well.

  ”Ted [Graham Henry] didn’t want to have anything to with it. McCaw and other senior players thought it was a terrible idea and also didn’t want to be a part of it,” said the source who is from within the top-level rugby community.

  Another source close to the Backing Black campaign also confirmed Henry had been approached and had rejected an invitation to front the campaign.

  ”An NZRU person told me Ted was offered a shitload of money to front it but refused.”

  The same source said a senior NZRU official told Telecom ”this is the most stupid idea ever” but said Telecom dug in over the proposed campaign.

  The Backing Black campaign – led by Telecom, one of the New Zealand Rugby Union’s key sponsors – is intended to galvanise support behind the men in black as they chase their first World Cup title in 24 years.

  Telecom bosses wouldn’t talk about the specifics of the campaign.

  But it is understood Backing Black’s call for sexual abstinence will be launched nationwide on Sunday with simultaneous TV commercials to be broadcast at about 8.40pm.

  A source said the advertising campaign would be ”bright and bold” including posters, billboards and adverts emblazoned onto buses.

  During the planning stage of Backing Black, ideas included posters being placed at eye level in men’s urinals in bars and restaurants urging men who are urinating to ”think of your Mum in a bikini… abstain for the All Blacks”.

  Advertising executives also considered placing cold showers outside popular bars to show that publicans were committed to hosing down anyone tempted to break their vow of chastity.

  Advertising executives also considered placing cold showers outside popular bars to show that publicans were committed to hosing down anyone tempted to break their vow of chastity.

• 103.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:08 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-100:

  no comment.

• 104.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:11 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-102:

  I know.

  It’s beautiful.

  Fitzy heading up a campaign encouraging people to keep it in their pants.

  Anyway apparently everyone gets a black rubber cockring (presumably with the adidas logo on it) to promote the vibe.

  It’s too good to be true.

  bad news for you though if lilly joins up

• 105.Puma:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:13 am

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-93: Good words there Katman. “Good coaches let fresh talent shine’ And Lions have the best coach right now. He has taken almost no names and making them top class players. We need more coaches like Mitchell.

  Plum should be playing Lambie all of the time at fh and not just some of the time. We should always look after the saffa players first.

• 106.willievz:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:14 am

  Why are South Africans viewing a player who can play in many positions as a prophecy of disaster?

  As opposed to Australians who relish versatility and invest in multi-skills for their players?

• 107.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:17 am

  @justrugby(justrugby)-52: ja….jdj would be my bok 12……but f steyn not going to cut it at 15 unless he loses 10 kg s…

• 108.Puma:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:19 am

  @willievz(willievz)-106: Aussie probably have too. They don’t have enough players. We do Willie. I think you get the best out of a player, playing him in only one position and not shifting him about all of the time. Look at Gits? He has been dropped now by Deans.

  It never works playing players all over the show imo.

• 109.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:21 am

  taute looks like one for the future though he did himself no favours in the u20 wc this year vs the poms.

  pat lambie will play 12 with freddy mentoring him, is this one of the most wonderful things that can happen or what?

  i think butch will do the same for elton who is also a wondeful talent.

  interesting players emerging in sa with the likes of the ebersohns, sadie, jj, hougie, lambie, elton, hoffman and a host of new center talent like jordaan, wings like mvovo, sithole etc etc.

  its encouraging because these players are not crashball typpes at all, all thinking players with great skills.

  what i do find amazing is how quickly a young player slips off the radar in sa. a guy like frans steyn for instance was a prodigy just 4 years ago when he won a wc at 20 or 21?

  now there are younger players pushing for his place.its good but it raises questions about how to manage this process when your incumbents are youngsters themselves?

  a tightrope i am happy i dont have to walk tbho.

  but frans could have been better managed by rotation with jdv over the last three years already imo.

  he is a 12, he is a 12, he is a 12.

  and he actually has phenomenal hands, go back and watch his “sonny bill type offload” vs tonga in the last wc and you will understand what i am getting at.

• 110.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:22 am

  @Gunther(gunther)-104: you think Black Panty will sign up?

• 111.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:23 am

  jdj is a 13 imo.

  he doesnt have the pass or the step (off both feet) for 12 but then again, jdv seems like he has no step at all these days so i would probably choose jdj over him anyways.

  jaque fourie remains an outstanding talent though so?

• 112.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:24 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-110: careful now.

  blackpanty is extremely touchy and you are likely to hear the squeals of outrage from pomland if you go down that road.

• 113.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:25 am

  @Puma(Puma)-108: It can work in some cases, maybe to freshen a player up, to counter the opposition tactics. It can work for some players who can handle it.

• 114.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:27 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-110:

  I’m finding it difficult to chat to Blackie what with his new timezone.

  Which is sad really, when you think we are saddled with a **** like poppa just because he works the night shift.

  

• 115.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:27 am

  @rangerman(rangerman)-111:

  Doesn’t have the step off both feet? Or the pass? I’d say the complete opposite is true.

  Jaque Fourie remains an outstanding talent. The problem is can you play a more creative game with a player who has been taught to bash it up at 13? Who made his name doing that? A try every 2 games or so says he’s a top player, which is why I said he should play wing. But chucky thinks I’m delusional He’d rather have Mvovo at 11.

• 116.Puma:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:27 am

  @rangerman(rangerman)-109: Fransie, should not have gone to play overseas Ranger. Think that was his biggest mistake going so young. He does not seem to be managed well there. He still has huge talent and if he comes back will still be one of our best. He is only 24 years old. He can go back to France if he wishes after the wc 2015. He will only be 28 then.

  Kinda scary to think this youngster still has so many good years ahead, that is if he looks after himself but has to return to play his rugby in the sh. Well that is how I see it.

• 117.mxhosa:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:28 am

  Springbok backline in 2012, Peter De Villiers as the backline coach:

  15 Gio Aplon
  14 JP Pietersen
  13 Lionel Mapoe
  12 Juan De Jongh
  11 Lwazi Mvovo
  10 Elton Jantjies
  09 Francois Hougaard (quota)

• 118.willievz:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:29 am

  @Puma(Puma)-108: Morning Puma. Valid point regarding the population of player resources.

  However, I also feel that the mindset of Australian players are more positive and (dare I say) professional in this regard. They want to learn the additional skills and embrace more holistic coaching methods.

  But before you think there is something to gain from versatility, you need to have the right mindset from the word go. The right mindset in turn will also help players to enjoy the game more. For a country whose player skills are as underdeveloped as ours, we need to start embracing versatility a lot more.

  The big difference is probably that the Aussie players still know their primary role in the setup. We on the other hand go and pick Lambie at flyhalf the one day to run the ball and at fullback the next day to garryowen the ball back. Perhaps we just need to trust them to play the situation regardless of the number on their back.

  Just look at the difference between a James O’Connor and Ruan Pienaar, for instance.

• 119.willievz:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:30 am

  @mxhosa(mxhosa)-117: Aplon is 30 in 2012, surely not worth a long-term investment?

• 120.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:30 am

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-115: no man, jaque is a try scorer who runs beautiful lines and is a good distributor. he is no crashball specialist.

  jdj struggles with his distribution a bit buddy, he cant pass both ways and he does only step off one foot which makes him predictable.
  he has time to rectify this but he has the pace for a 13 imo, thats where i would play him in the future.

• 121.Puma:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:31 am

  @Sasuke(Sasuke)-113: I personally think you mess a player up playing him in all postions. To freshen him up then maybe a few times but let him settle in one postion. Playing in one position is where players excell more so than not. imho.

• 122.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:32 am

  @willievz(willievz)-106: because in SA it is provincial, if lambie doesn’t play fh then the guppys worry he will be overtaken by van aswegen, sias & elton. it’s not about lambie developing versatility it’s about him nailing one spot and being seen to be better than his competitors…

• 123.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:32 am

  we need, more than anything, an innovative and hard core Management Team……

  More than anything …….thats the bottom line….

• 124.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:33 am

  @Puma(Puma)-121: I agree Puma…..

• 125.willievz:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:33 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-122: True, provincialism is an age old enemy of SA Rugby.

  That is why it is liberating supporting a team like the Kwas.

  Keeps you sober and objective – 17 and 0

• 126.willievz:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:34 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-122: Actually after reading that post a second time I think you are absolutely 100% correct

• 127.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:34 am

  @rangerman(rangerman)-112: he’s moved back to “godzone” permanently

• 128.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:36 am

  @mxhosa(mxhosa)-117: Crazy backline that!

• 129.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:36 am

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-26:
  of course having said that he played at 6 on sat. does that make him even more awesome?…he did some nifty footwork…

• 130.Puma:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:40 am

  @willievz(willievz)-118: I think the Aussies mature quicker than us Willie. Could be the reason they adapt quicker than us in many aspects of life not just rugby.

• 131.Puma:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:41 am

  @grant10(grant10)-124: Yip for sure.

  Now need to take a call from Oz. Catch up later.

• 132.mxhosa:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:43 am

  @Sasuke(Sasuke)-128:

  I know, but it would make the politicians happy though…. add Chilli and Johnson in the forwards, then you have a black majority…..

• 133.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:43 am

  Guys like Aplon and Jaque Fourie must continue in the team until 2013 just to provide some continuity and knowledge sharing. After that guys like Sadie, De Jongh, Taute, Lambie can take up those positions permanently.

• 134.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:44 am

  @willievz(willievz)-125: indeed, you see it here everyday, it’s not about the looseforwards south africa is nurturing, it’s all about marcel coetzee’s stats were WAY better than kolisi’s or van den heever is the fastest hurdler in the country etc…myopic provincialism that makes me sick.

• 135.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:46 am

  @mxhosa(mxhosa)-132: I hope the politicians back off next year when the new coach starts his tenure.

• 136.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:47 am

  @Puma(Puma)-121:
  for every one player who excels by being played in one position there another who excels by being played in a number of positions. i dont think its that straightforward.

• 137.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:48 am

  @Sasuke(Sasuke)-133:

  Taute wasn’t overly impressive at the U20 World Champs. Francois Venter made him look average.

• 138.justrugby:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:50 am

  @grant10(grant10)-123:

  Weshould make an offer to Ewen Mackenzie, Deans contract has been extended to 2013 ??

• 139.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:52 am

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-137: Taute looks good in the Currie Cup, a step above U20 rugby. if you look closely enough every players has had one or two bad games, so harping on one game as f it define Taute’s career let alone his talent is infantile… #jusayin.

• 140.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:54 am

  @justrugby(justrugby)-138: o’neill has named mckenzie as his heir-apparent, to take over from deans. you’ll have toget past HIM to get to ewan

• 141.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:55 am

  @justrugby(justrugby)-138: AN overseas coach wont work out ,

  you think Mackenzie will enjoy being told who he can’t and can pick? Or what Colour they should be??, or from what province they must be playing etc???

  I think not

• 142.Couchcoach:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:55 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-102:

  I am sure there are some relieved sheep in NZ

• 143.>^..^< katman:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:56 am

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-137: Wasn’t he flown in at short notice at the end?

• 144.Eish:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:56 am

  Between Plumtree and Muir, Lambie is on a hiding to nothing. Using the kid where it suits them and has nothing to do with what is good for the player. Lambie is a special talent with a great attitude. Playing him at 12 will shorten his career dramatically. Head on defence against big loose forwards and even bigger opposing centre’s. Yes, your 12 can be your second fly half/play maker but it comes at a price. Not that Muir or the Sharks coaches will worry about that.

  Lambie is a great 15 and a good 10. He has more pace than everyone thinks. Play him at 15 with the option to move him later in the game to 10, if changes are needed.

• 145.Slumtown:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:57 am

  How is it we cant use profanity when commenting here but Keo has a rip in the videos? Hmmmm

• 146.Couchcoach:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:57 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-134:

  It is said that roughly 42% of stats is made up on the spot

• 147.justrugby:
  17 Aug 2011, 10:58 am

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-141:

  Needs to be at his terms, if not obviously no deal!!

• 148.Heavens Game:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:00 am

  Worldwide equity about to turn into Mickey Mouse currency with the next bourse crash, smash and burn (And its coming – Financial Armageddon is nearly here… Then New World Order), Bok rugger is already on fire and burning down, about to be extinguished followed by the New Protea Order…. and Keo calls for “investment”? Huh? WTF? By who… with what?

• 149.Couchcoach:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:00 am

  Lambie should play 15. No 10 is a token position in SA. All the quick loose ball go to the forwards standing in the backline anyway. We do not give our flyhalves options because we like to play off the no 9.
  Flyhalves in SA are only there to launch up and unders and to kick away the bad balls that the forwards do not want. So, you can select JS at flyhalf for that matter, it will not make a difference to the team whatsoever.

• 150.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:03 am

  @justrugby(justrugby)-138: yes…..I think Deans will lead aussies till after B Lions tour…..

  Must just get the very best……I cannot believe how our 3 stooges have decimated this team ….the lack of foresight and obvious’ player power ‘ is so endemic and overwhelming …..players out of shape…..seniors dictating and being held onto long after sell by dates, old and outdated skop en jag tactics….

  No mate….this is an era I am not proud of….

  Beginning of 2010 I said this will be a watershed year as that is when the tough choices had to be made….

  Not farken 1 tough choice was made….not even 1 !

  Now we back to the laager with M Steyn, that is the single biggest admission by PDV that we have not progressed 1 iota….not 1 iota!!!

  Laager mentality, skop en jag has won….back to the dark ages…..what the fark next, drop our fetcher??

• 151.Heavens Game:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:07 am

  Make peace with the fact that the Boks will be fortunate to scrape into the SF’s. Dont worry, be happy. If they do it will not be in any measure due to coaching, management or administration – watch for a la England 2007 player power come to the fore.

• 152.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:07 am

  wasn’t jaco taute that guy who got skinned by the bulls in the super 15 last seen being led off the field by the medics looking like an altzheimer’s victim in a supermarket car park?

• 153.justrugby:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:07 am

  @grant10(grant10)-150:

  Sad , but so freekin true !!!

• 154.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:08 am

  @Puma(Puma)-130: GM Puma bro

  Mate i dont think at all they mature sooner then our players, because they have so few to choose from of course they can put them in young

  Lets use Lambie as an example ?

  This kid just wants to play , no matter where he is played, now he for example in the last test against the kiwi’s was one of the very few players to come away with their pride intact.

  what happens next match?? he gets dropped?? why????

  From there where he had a good match at 10 ? he gets called up again and now at 15? again he is happy to play, and i have no doubt he will have a good match.

  The problem here is not the players, its the coaching staff that have no clue, look at Deysel in the last 2 tests, again one of the few to come away with reputations intact , he gets dropped.

  The problem here is what message is it sending to those players??, As it is people are saying and know the coaching staff are nowhere, they have no clue, we should know what our full squad is and yet they dont

  they persist in playing players out of position , ala Rossouw at flank or Smit at prop, we saw the consiquences? FATAL

• 155.Heavens Game:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:08 am

  @grant10(grant10)-123: The Truth!

• 156.>^..^< katman:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:10 am

  @Gunther(gunther)-152: Speaking of which, did you ever find that Sierra?

• 157.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:11 am

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-148: Hiyas HG

  Bok rugby is about the let out it’s final breath,

• 158.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:11 am

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-154: farken spot on…..

  the players must be so confused…

• 159.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:11 am

  @Gunther(gunther)-152:

• 160.Heavens Game:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:12 am

  @Gunther(gunther)-152: Jaco who?

• 161.Heavens Game:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:14 am

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-157: Howzit SL. Its:

  “All over rover”
  “Goodnite nurse”

  All because of a coach and his 2 lackeys (and lets not forget these guys were wooshipped by the majority of Breezer supporters on this site) completely out of their depth on an international stage.

• 162.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:15 am

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-156:

  indeed.

  thankfuck for netstar

• 163.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:16 am

  @grant10(grant10)-150: charo last night suggested that pdv was running the biggest ruse in world rugby, playing morne and kicking plenty while in rustenburg the Boks were doing scissor moves, inside passes, and loop-arounds that will be unveiled @ RWC

  well, he hoped.

• 164.Heavens Game:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:19 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-163: “well, he hoped.” So says you, one of PdV’s biggest supporters…. Two faced cnt

• 165.Couchcoach:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:19 am

  @grant10(grant10)-150:

  Ja, Grant. You are the second person that I have heard in the last hour who says that you are not proud of this era. I have to agree that I feel the same as you do and more.
  I am at a point where I am beyond feeling anything for Bok rugby. I go to the games because I want to give my son the experience of seeing his test heroes in action, but he is (at 10 years old) already fed up with John Smit and PDV. I have always been careful to indoctrinate him and to allow him to make up his own mind about things. I am now living to regret that choice because he supports the Bulls and I support Province
  Be that as it may, I am disappointed in what the current coaches have done to the Bok emblem and how they destroyed the pride and the willingness to die for the jersey that was built up over many years. I know that there were players who were excluded in the past, but the fact remains that most of them would have embraced the pride and the honour to represent their country. The current team have made a mockery of things that were bordering on being sacred. I am livid at the way in which excuses that this team is building towards a WC is being gobbled up by all and sundry.
  PDV is reported to have said that he is very upset by the little criticism that is leveled at Ted for bringing a B team to SA. Could it be that the world knows that the so-called AB B team is going to run circles around his A team?
  Finally, his comment that they only lost the match on the scoreboard against the Wallabies epitomises the thinking in the coaching brainstrust. Where else do you lose games? There is not one little spec of accountability and taking responsibility with them.
  I feel feathers for the Boks because I cannot support mediocrity and I cannot condone stupidity. I support the Bok jersey and what it stands for and what it has had to endure to survive until this point. I loathe John Smit and PDV for disrespecting its heritage and even winning a WC will not change that.

• 166.willievz:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:22 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-163:

  Hehehe, looking forward to those loop-arounds especially!

  I would imagine the Boks have a few tricks up their sleeves.

• 167.justrugby:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:24 am

  @Gunther(gunther)-162:

  LOL !!

• 168.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:25 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-163:
  Well then PDV will make my day ……

  You know I WAS SITTING HERE READING ABOUT gITEAU NOT MAKING THE wc….HERE iN sa WE HAVE BLOODY m sTEYN AT 10….jdv CRASH BALLING AT 12 ….AND gITS SITTING AT HOME FOR wc….

  hELL MAN…
  Sorry caps

• 169.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:26 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-163: @willievz(willievz)-166: Will be interesting to see what exactly they have up their sleeves.

• 170.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:27 am

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-164:
  he blogs where the wind blows…

• 171.Couchcoach:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:28 am

  @grant10(grant10)-168:

  Confirmation of my suspicion that Gits was a divisive force in the Wallabies team.

• 172.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:32 am

  Disregarding all the player power and coach not good enough etc does it not seem as if the team is in disarray? It seems that the senior players are revolting against John Smit’s captaincy. Matfield saying it doesn’t matter who is captain and now JDV saying we should keep the scoreboard ticking on the field of play. Transie laughed and ridiculed when I mentioned JS’s neck operation was a bit of expediency…now his arm goes as well while other players are mentioning his captaincy?

• 173.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:32 am

  @Couchcoach(GI POT)-165: All I can say is ‘ ditto ‘….

  I am absolutely ashamed of 2010 and 2011……it has been nothing short of criminal…..I will never forget M Steyn and Matfield being played against Italy, at home, and Matfield talking about how the cap will push him closer to the record , etc…..the times we could have blooded youngsters and rested the vts were not used because the senior players dictate….

  Last year against Scotland on eoyt Matfield got his way and Lambie was shafted….

  Seriously my man….we deserve all we gonna get come WC…..

  I just cannot wait to see thye back of the 3 stooges , plod, vm and all the other fatcats….

  Just hope we make the right choices for next Management and dont choose a captain then 14 players, but 15 players then a captain…

• 174.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:33 am

  I have the distinct feeling that players are pressuring PDV to drop Smit.

• 175.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:33 am

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-164: amen

• 176.Couchcoach:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:34 am

  @willievz(willievz)-166:

  All I see is the centres and Spies doing ballet spins on defense. I suspect that there will be a couple of sore necks on Sunday – firstly from looking into the sky at another M Steyn high bomb and secondly from looking around in a frenzy to try and see where the AB backs ran past them.

• 177.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:34 am

  @Couchcoach(GI POT)-171: would love to have them gits skills at 10 or 12 for boks though…..

  But ja…heard the rumours as well….for brumbies though?

• 178.justrugby:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:35 am

  @Couchcoach(GI POT)-165:

  Good post !!

• 179.Puma:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:36 am

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-154: Howzit bro,

  Yeah said so in my post 106. But the Aussies in all sports are coached better than us. You just have to look at their tennis, cricket, swimming and rugby. They perform top class in all sports. Bring home plenty gold medals from the Olympics probably even more so than Britian. There is a reason for that. Stable society, and structures which support young sports people.

  Agree it is our coaching staff that has no clue. Why drop players that actually were the ones that played very well in a weak Bok side on the away tour? They bring in Deysel at 6 last week?????????? HUH??? Why not at 7 where Danie was struggling and costing us.

  Lambie is always willing to play anywhere, but don’t want that to happen next year. Don’t want to see him on the bench for Boks in the future only as a utility player, but a starting player. The only way he will get a chance to do that is if he starts the whole time in one postion at the Sharks. We need to not shift him about bro, not good to do that.

  Also reading in the Star. ‘Flyhalf choice was not difficult – Div’ – Bok coach says the world cup will be won by goal kicking and can’t leave M.Steyn out with his kicking rate. If that is the case PdV only gave Butch one chance last week. Cause he missed one kick seems he is on the bench. Morne missed our only penalty we had against the ABs in NZ and somehow that is okay?

  Greenaway also says it could have been Victor having a word into PdV’s ear. I think more likely that.

• 180.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:37 am

  @grant10(grant10)-173: SARU should also allow the coach to choose his own assistants, otherwise we will again end up in a situation where the head coach looks for assistants mid-term and gets laughed at because his given assistants are not helping the cause. Imagine Nienaber had accepted the defensive role earlier…Mitch accepted attacking role…all asked by PDV and with SARU’s blessing. Why do we always have to have cloak and dagger stuff?

• 181.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:39 am

  @LightZone(LightZone)-172: it is inevitable…..as night follows day there will be player issues around plod…..

  Do you believe for 1 second Bissy is happy to play 2 nd fiddle when he is 10 times the 2 plod has ever been?

  Jannie will react in favor of his boet…..obvious….

  Matfield cannot be happy…..it is the case of human nature…..the strong and the weak….

  We take an early loss with Plod starting ….against Wales…..watch the kak hit the fan ….guaranteed…

• 182.Puma:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:39 am

  @Puma(Puma)-179: So it seems to me. M. Steyn will be our 1st choice Fh.

  Now players don’t select themselves. So can’t say too much there. For now think we just have to get behind our team and support them, whoever is playing where.

  We have to beat this AB’s 2nd side and beat them well. We don’t then we in massive trouble.

• 183.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:40 am

  Having said that, I’m still a Bok supporter.

• 184.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:41 am

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-164: umsunu wakho

  div abandoned his vision at end of ’08 and that was it for me, get your facts you twa_t of rhodesian refugee.

• 185.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:42 am

  @grant10(grant10)-181: Much as I agree with you, I’m not on the anti-Smit agenda. I have stated before, though, that he should have retired earlier.

• 186.Couchcoach:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:42 am

  @LightZone(LightZone)-172:

  I think you have hit a nerve there. I would also be the moer in if I was playing under a captain who is not the best player in his position by a long shot. Some of these guys do have a bit of pride left.

  @grant10(grant10)-173:

  I will not hold my breath in anticipation that SARU will make a sensible choice come the post WC era. 2010 will remain in my mind as the year when we were caught with our pants down. And instead of making tough choices, as you put it, the status quo remained and we are now reaping the rewards of that lack of collective backbone at SARU.
  The players are dictating terms, but while they are sitting in their little holy huddle, the real coaches of the world have moved on while we stagnated. Rassie as a desperation measure, will send the boys into the WC with a reasonable plan A while the AB’s and Aussies will have plans A – D well drilled and perfected.

• 187.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:46 am

  @LightZone(LightZone)-180: absolutely…..get best coach available….and let him put his assistants and consultants around himself….cant be any other way…..

  and a 2 year term, with options to renew…..no 4 year judge me at the bloody wc freebie….

• 188.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:46 am

  @grant10(grant10)-173: Who do you think will be the captain of the boks next year?

• 189.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:47 am

  @LightZone(LightZone)-185: well you know how I feel…..so I wont get into that again…..

• 190.mshiniwami:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:48 am

  Wouldnt have Giteau anywhere near the Green & Gold jumper nor any Saffa side.

  He is divisive,managed to cause 2 player revolts-first at Brumbies vs Nucifora then vs Mitchell at Force.He never quantified the money spent on him by the Force & has been rubbish for 2-3 years now.

  Grant10-in you type logic/rhetoric…Giteau is the Smit/Plod in Australia except with mercenary tendencies.

• 191.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:48 am

  @Couchcoach(GI POT)-186: I read somewhere a long time ago that for every one play that Rugby has American Football has seven. PDV tried doing that but it seems our guys prefer one single option everytime, mistaking that for focus. It’s really just lazy and myopic. I remember watching a Test match in the 80s and both NZ and SA had moves going in frontline and backline. What happened since then? Surely the game hasn’t changed. What coach was it that had a copy of The Art of War in his back pocket all the time? STRATEGY is the most important thing on the field of play.

• 192.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:50 am

  @Sasuke(Sasuke)-188: I seriously have no idea…….depends on coach and the type of game we want to play I supose…..

  Personally I just want the captain to be a 1 st choice so we not in a position like we are now….ever again!

• 193.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:51 am

  @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-190: I said I would like his type of skills in bok team at 10 or 12…..not his personality…..of which i know very little

• 194.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:52 am

  @grant10(grant10)-187: or give him a 4 year contract as motivation but have a 2 year review.

• 195.Couchcoach:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:53 am

  @LightZone(LightZone)-191:

  Absolutely, and PDV and co have exhibited their strategic ineptitude with their selections of players out of position and ludicrous substitutions of critical players at the most inopportune times.
  PDV is so focused on the way that he wants to play that he completely forgets about what happens on the field of play. He completely disregards the dynamics of the match itself. He is the epitome of someone who thinks that he knows it all and who believes that he is bigger than the game.

• 196.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:53 am

  Giteau is my type of player….flair….skill….can tackle……innovative….

  When last has the boks had a player of that class…..?

  maybe never….unless we go back 2 decades….

• 197.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:54 am

  @grant10(grant10)-187: Actually I think a coach should not be given the mandate for less time but more time. The cycles from RWC to RWC is not what it should be. Give a coach a six year term, which would allow him to build a team outside of the RWC parameters or alternatively between RWCs. Start the cycle two years after the RWC and build towards a no1 team with the RWC as just another tournament that can be won. There would then be 2 trophies of worth – 3N and RWC – together with EOYT to rebuild.

• 198.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:55 am

  @Sasuke(Sasuke)-194: yes….but make it performance related so every test becomes important…..this rubbish about judge me at wc makes me wanna puke on my speedo

• 199.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:55 am

  @grant10(grant10)-192: you see Grant this is where you sit the pot miss?

  I hear what ur saying and that would be nice in a perfect world, i actually think Smit makes less demands of who plays or not re provincial bias

  With Smit we had Steyn,Butch and lambie as flyhalve’s, as soon as Smit is bench and Matfield Captains we go a full Bulls way??

  See one thing you dont realise and this is why i didnt agree with you yesterday, and i know Matfield has won a lot with the Bulls as Capt, but he does not hold the team together that well as a national capt

  I actually hope they drop Smit , and make Matfield capt, then you will see true skop and jag return to it’s fullist

• 200.willievz:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:55 am

  @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-190: They should have selected Berrick Barnes a long time ago at 12. Unfortunately he is crocked, but what a class player.

  I disagree with people who say the Wallabies have a good backline. They don’t. They have a great and settled back three and a great but unpredictable halfback pairing, but their midfield is mediocre IMO.

  Against a good drift defense, those skew-running centres can cost the Wallabies the WC. The whole team relies too much on Cooper straightening the line by cutting inside.

• 201.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:56 am

  @LightZone(LightZone)-197: performance reviewed though…..

• 202.willievz:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:57 am

  By the way – is Smit going to be captain when he comes on on Saturday, or will Victor still be captain?

• 203.Sasuke:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:58 am

  @grant10(grant10)-198: Agreed. SARU need to be harder on the coaches.

• 204.Michael:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:58 am

  @LightZone(LightZone)-191: How right. The Boks of ’86 would run circles round the current lot with a marathon left in them to spare.

• 205.Michael:
  17 Aug 2011, 11:59 am

  @Sasuke(Sasuke)-203: SARU needed to have let PdV choose his assistants. White was given free reign while PdV hasn’t – how can any backline fire under the astute coaching of Muir.

• 206.Desmond_Tiete:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:00 pm

  next Bok Capt , either :

  Juan Smith, – too many injuries
  Andries Bekker, can work
  Puke?? please NO!!!!!!!!!!!! – but see Chilliboy comment
  Chilliboy — will make the ANCYL very happy!

• 207.rossoneri:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:00 pm

  @willievz(willievz)-202: Smit is benching so I guess that means Victor to take charge.

• 208.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:00 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-199: My man…..smit should be dropped because he is simply not near as good as Bissy….so that is actually a non issue in my way of thinking.

  Then PDV needs to grow a pair and choose the team and tell Matfield to live with it…..

  It is not a question of the best of 2 evile in my mind.

  Fark matfield and plod!

  The 1 is just plain past it….and the other needs to fit in or fark off…..

  Who is the boss?

  PDV is the boss !

  But doesent act like 1 ….that is the problem!

• 209.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:01 pm

  People forget It is not Smit who selects himself ,( please dont come with the BS that he controls Saru and god knows what else)

  PDiv had a chance to nominate someone else for world cup as Capt just a few months ago, after his visit to Durban where soon afterwards he named Smit as world cup capt

  He also at that stage had the chance to drop him if he so wished , he did not and HE MADE THAT CALL, How the hell does that mean Smit is to blame??

  I am all for Bismark being first choice Hooker as he is the better player now, even though he still has his own short comings.

  The fact is the reason why Players dont have a clue of if they will play , or where they will play is because the Coaching staff have no clue, and that is not Pdiv alone, its the whole bunch

• 210.Bill Reyts:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:01 pm

  @Couchcoach(GI POT)-165:

  Post of the year!!! Yet there are so many people in denial in South Africa. Some actually believe that this is a great team today. Well maybe they would have been if they were taught discipline, respect and that hard work brings in the rewards. I too have lost all faith and feel deceived.

  Well said mate!

• 211.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:01 pm

  @Couchcoach(GI POT)-195: I don’t believe he thinks he is bigger than the game but I do think he is very stubborn (like a previous coach who was also a teacher?) by sticking to a certain pattern. Maybe he will win the RWC this way but what is the price of that victory. I believe that IF we win this thing it would be a pyrrhic victory, as we have lost so much along the way. Does SARU have the capacity and the will to fix things? There will be another commission of inquiry and a new guard but the same thing would apply. Has anyone ever thought that maybe Hoskins also wants to be the administrator who says he is the first to head a union that defends a RWC? Who calls the shots in our rugby? Definitely not the coach…all is not what it seems.

• 212.Duke01:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:03 pm

  @Desmond_Tiete(p0ppa69)-206: ek hou ook van andries as kaptein ek dink ons gaan hom mis die wc,baie beter speler as bakkies op die oomblik

• 213.>^..^< katman:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:06 pm

  @grant10(grant10)-208: I’m worried about what you will do once Smit is no longer there and we still perform poorly. Who do you beat once your scapegoat is gone? Or do you simply direct part two of your campaign at someone else? Perhaps Matfield?

• 214.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:06 pm

  @grant10(grant10)-208: again Grant this is why i do not blame Smit or Matfield , check my previous post

  its the same as no matter how well Lambie played , he was always going to get dropped, and Keo is 100% correct in this TV article of his

  Lambie again gets played in another position and is not picked with the best chance of attacking rugby to link onto as now M Steyn is at 10

  Why not leave Butch at 10?? and see what the backline can do attacking wise??

  IN New Zealand Lambie shone in a team where the forwards were totally outplayed

  This again shows the coahing staff have no clue , they still dont know 100% who the 9 and 10 will be come WC , or the loose forward trio

  Deysel came away from the last 2 tests with his pride and reputaion intact ? where is he now???????????????

• 215.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:06 pm

  andries bekker is a massive loss for boks….as is Duane Vermeulen.

• 216.Bill Reyts:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:07 pm

  We are not stupid. We know who calls the shots and it is definitely not the coaching staff. Call it the players union. Now do Unions work. Well who actually knows.

• 217.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:08 pm

  @willievz(willievz)-200: tony faingaa cam on last week and caused havoc! tackled like a mad man and effecting tackles…adequate imo.

• 218.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:08 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-213: well 10 out of last 11 games plod started for boks we lost…….

  He is captain….

  PDV is coach.

  it is called accountability.

• 219.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:09 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-213: so true katman

• 220.Bill Reyts:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:09 pm

  @grant10(grant10)-215:

  Grant I agree – BUT – it actually doesn’t matter who you choose, the game plan and players union will determine everything. We are so far behind the top 2 nations it is embarassing…

• 221.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:10 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-214: I agree with you on those matters completely….these 3 stooges are confusing me completely…..I am not sure what the fark is going on anymore.

• 222.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:10 pm

  @grant10(grant10)-218: then they should all have been dropped , even matfield as he is vice Capt

  and all the coaching staff,

• 223.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:10 pm

  @grant10(grant10)-221: 100%

• 224.Duke01:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:10 pm

  @grant10(grant10)-218: jip and no one dan see it,we are all blind according to them

• 225.seabiscuit:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:12 pm

  in your guys honest opinion do you really think smit and matfield get on as well as they and the managment try make us believe cuz i recon its a load of krod

• 226.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:12 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-213: my man….all I want is the best bok team available…..if you happy with plod in front of bissy then so be it……

  I am happy to lose if we not good enough….but for fark sakes lets at least play our best team and then we can at least say we gave it our best shot !

• 227.Duke01:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:12 pm

  @grant10(grant10)-221: only and only if we win the wc i will like them,but then they must go even if it is 3 years to late

• 228.Bill Reyts:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:12 pm

  The coach and captain are always responsible for their team whether in 1990 or 2011. Accountability rests with them. Why take on leaderships positions if you don’t want to be accountable.

• 229.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:14 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-222: the high trees catch the winds my friend……

• 230.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:15 pm

  What will happen in this RWC will happen regardless. What SARU needs to do is give the coach a mandate to choose his own team (assistants) or at least have a deciding vote in who his team will be in future, as there would obviously be some mandate on which has to deliver. SARU has to then put in place a structure where it says the franchises must have a draft system similar to American Football. SuperRugby as much as it is based on Provinces currently should not really be done in that way. We should see all our Super teams as a collective working towards the way the Springboks play the game. Currie Cup should be a clear system of provincial players who is one step below being chosen for Super Rugby and not the huge step as we have currently.
  How much stronger would it be if any SA Super team wins the tournament or even better if every year we have three teams in the semi’s? How much would the Boks benefit if we could see similar systems being played but with the individual coach’s spin on it?

• 231.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:15 pm

  @grant10(grant10)-221: problem is there is a whole vicious circle in SA Rugby

  From Politics to provincialism to whatever….
  who knows who , where you come from

  here is a comon fact in this country,SOUTH AFRICANS HAVE NEVER STOOD TOGETHER IRRESPECTIVE OF COLOUR, AND YES NOT EVEN WHITES AS A GROUP

  and it shows in our sports etc

• 232.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:15 pm

  cheers all

  outta here

• 233.Duke01:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:16 pm

  @grant10(grant10)-226: the best bok team we have ,hasnt played for the last 2 years or so.the team we have now is according peter the safe team ,and that is going to bite him in his gat

• 234.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:19 pm

  Matfield said just last week, there’s no leadership vaccuum if Smit is not there, he ain’t worried about sh*t and we shouldn’t.

  Go Vic

• 235.Duke01:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:19 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-231: and that is why we lose all pur talented players to clubs overseas,or most of them .and that is in all sports not just rugby.it is sad if u must go away because a kak player is chosen because of his skin colour or he is family of the coach

• 236.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:20 pm

  amen

• 237.Duke01:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:20 pm

  @Duke01(Duke01)-235: and transformation i dont mean a black or white thing before u get clever again.it is my opinion

• 238.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:21 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-231: Exactly the point. Get rid of provincialism first and the rest will follow. Currie Cup should be fought tooth and nail as a provincial-based system but Super Rugby should be more draft based with a view to the collective (and by this I don’t mean the way the Cats was formed).

• 239.Michael:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:21 pm

  @grant10(grant10)-226: That is just it – what is your best team is not someone else’s and vice-versa, which means everyone gets themselves in a knickered knot

• 240.Michael:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:21 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-238: Hell yes.

• 241.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:24 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-238: all you have to do is see the americans and aussies for example how proud they are in their flag and country,

  its stirring stuff

• 242.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:28 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-241: I know. Hence my point to borrow from the USA draft system without giving any thought to provincialism. It can work but there will be too many objections by saying players will be uprooted, combinations will break up, etc etc. All excuses and not reasons. We live in a relatively small country and we can fly between provinces within two hours maximum.

• 243.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:30 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-231: I am not white mate….I am a South African…

• 244.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:33 pm

  @grant10(grant10)-243: thats not the point i am making

  you yourself yesterday mentioned black folk and coloured folk

  fact is south africans never stand together

• 245.hendrikp:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:36 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-242:

  We also don’t pay players millions of dollars a year.

  You’d find talented players giving up the game rather then move to Bloem for example.

  We’d be better off having a salary cap. Or a depth chart… any player who isn’t included in the top 30 for example could be picked up by someone else if they chose.

• 246.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:39 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-244: I did?

  Dont think so mate……

• 247.ufo:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:44 pm

  Have been saying all this for a while now… Lambie being stuffed up by Plumtree…

  If it was up to me I’d pick Lambie at flyhalf and that’s that… He’s got the talent …play him where he wants… and let everyone else fight for places after that…

  Much more **** from Plumtree and (whoever) the national coach (is gonna be)… and we’re gonna lose another great player to the UK circuit….

• 248.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:44 pm

  @Michael(mikeybrass)-205:
  cant believe you actually suggested that. besides, pdivy tried to replace his assistants of his own accord without any interference from hq and look how that went. no reputable world class coaches would be prepared to work as his assistants, unless of course they were just in it for the money and not personal pride and integrity.
  he would probably be able to easily hire a few bozo’s who would just bs him about his abilities and in turn wreak havoc on the boks as a competitive team.

  in short its a bad idea no matter how you look at it. damned if you do, damned if you dont. the screamingly obvious solution is to replace the coach at the end of the wc and let him find/suggest competent coaches who might work as his assistants.

  i am a big fan of heyneke meyer for one, perhaps rassie as assistant with nienaber. they should also shop for really, really astute technical assistants to go with the wise men. lastly, if saru were ever allowed to go offshore then i would say mckenzie.

• 249.Divz:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:45 pm

  Sorry off the subject … i am going to be oversease for part of world cup and was considering registering for live straming of games … does anybody here watch rugby on live streaming and which is the best platform…. anyother advise welcome

• 250.ufo:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:50 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-248:

  “no reputable world class coaches would be prepared to work as his assistants, unless of course they were just in it for the money and not personal pride and integrity.”

  Well D!ck Muir is still getting some R2.5-million a year from the LIons rugby union for doing absolutely squat… So what does that say about Muir…? how reputable is Muir…? Because he is just in it for the money and not the pride, integrity or the glory of the Bok jersey..

  If D!ck Muir had any integrity he would resign from the Lions and let them keep their money…

  Farking gravey trainer…!!

• 251.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:51 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-241: When I look at the support for our top national teams (rugby, cricket, football) I also see that we have pride in our flag and country. When I see how Saffers overseas embrace our flag and long for messages from home shows that we do have pride.

• 252.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:54 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-248:
  technical assistants/consultant types could be any number of possibles, like naka, white, jones, os, ac, mallet, ludeke…even a few kiwis post this wc (but i dont trust they will give their all when we go against nz)…

• 253.mshiniwami:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:56 pm

  @bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-13:

  Agh for fcksakes with that 50 number you have been putting up in terms of bloodying players.

  How many has Deans played at Test level that havent amounted to much and OZ A etc? Here are some:

  Huia Edmonds
  Damien Fitzpatrick
  Tatafu Polota-Nau
  Pekahau Cowan
  James Slipper
  Laurie Weeks
  Mitchell Chapman
  Mark Chisholm
  Kane Douglas
  Rob Simmons
  Matt Hodgson
  Ben McCalman
  Pat McCutcheon
  Stephen Hoiles
  Luke Burgess
  Josh Valentine
  Berrick Barnes
  Will Chambers
  Anthony Faingaa
  Nick Cummins
  Peter Hynes
  Lachlan Turner
  Rob Horne
  Dean Mumm
  Sitileki Timani
  Scott Higginbotham
  Greg Holmes
  Beau Robinson
  Josh Holmes
  Nick Phibbs
  Leeroy Houston
  Richard Brown
  Sam Wykes
  Timana Tahu
  Van Humpries
  Peter Kimlin
  Julian Salvi
  Ben Lucas
  Ben Carraro
  Tyrone Smith
  Sam-Norton Knight
  Francis Fainafo
  Poutasi Laufutu
  Ben Daley
  Luke Morahan
  Rod Davies
  Dave Dennis
  Richard Kingi
  Matt Toomua
  Nathan Charles
  Brackin Karauria-Henry
  Pat O’Connor
  Pat McCabe

  Thats not even all of them…….

  How many sparkling talents/well managed stars in that list that have gone on the set rugby union alight???

  Chill

• 254.mshiniwami:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:57 pm

  @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-253:

  Blooded players accross the board from Wallabies to Aussie A in Deans era

• 255.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 12:58 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-248: You’re looking at the personality and not the coach as a position. If the coaching team shares a philosophy and is competent then it is easier to work towards a goal. When a team is thrust upon a leader it is very difficult if their modus operandi is different. As coach knowing the buck stops with me I would want to choose my own team. We thus have this unaccountability issue with nobody understanding who the leader should be in the first place.

• 256.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:08 pm

  @ufo(ufo)-250:
  yes, this is my point exactly.
  i think we’re in agreement on this. pdaddy does not command enough respect as a coach to attract top class assistants, other than for the money.

  ddick and gary are a bit of all the above in that they do want the money, probably dont think highly of pdaddy, have some personal pride and integrity in regards the boks losing and their part in that as well their failing personally, are not the best in their field for some time now and havn’t fixed that..and so on…

  why should they leave if saru wont make their boss fire them and their boss cannot replace them anyway because nobody wants to work for him (as he himself found out the hard way)?…

  we just have ride it out and hope post wc will be a time for reason.

• 257.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:14 pm

  @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-253: wait for the stats…

• 258.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:17 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-256: You have the wrong boss. SARU is the boss and not the coach (any Springbok coach). He is the fall guy.

• 259.Atreides:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:19 pm

  @grant10(grant10)-208: I shudder to think what team Div would field if it weren’t for Smit and Matfield helping him out lol…

• 260.mshiniwami:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:21 pm

  @Transformation(Transformation)-257:

  maphi amaStats???uDeans is still sitting around 50 something %

• 261.Desmond_Tiete:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:27 pm

  Well PDV always was a :

  Rose,
  Eal Tollie,
  Lobberts
  January

  fan … so yes, we could’ve been in deeper k@k

• 262.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:28 pm

  If we want a strongly managed team after RWC 2011, the we better have a solid coaching staff:

  Manager: Bob / Francois P / Owen Nkumane
  Head: Mallet
  Asst: Rassie
  Forwrds: Heyneke
  Back: Fleck / B Venter / Coetzee
  Media: Derek Alberts / Xola Ntsinga

  and then get Tim Noakes on a retainer to manage our players better.

  Give those guys a contract until 2015 with win bonuses and a pay-back clause if they don’t achieve as planned.

  Sadly, not much space for a quota appointment, but would consider Sauls or Coetzee or Treu in some capacity

• 263.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:32 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-255:

  who would choose to work with pdiddy, honestly, for reasons other than money? (i’m pretty sure an initial sense of patriotism and duty is what swung his two assistants to take the job but also the paycheck was a sweetener).
  who would even remotely share pdiddy’s vision and philosophy (dont think he has much to speak of, and no…play whats in front of you does not equate to a ‘vision’ or a ‘philosophy’)?

  would you, if you had the opportunity to be an ‘assistant’ align yourself with someone who clearly is way over his head and out of his depth?
  would you feel good about yourself if the sports team and/or as examples (company/country/family/army) failed because of reasons regarding the competency of your boss/leader?
  would you just continue to take the money and absolve yourself of blame?

  do you in your personal life willing submit yourself to work for lesser men and in so doing end up swallowing some pride and integrity?

  i should add that in all probability pdiddy had his assistants thrust upon him because his employers never had complete faith in him to begin with (i’m really asking this as a question?).
  if not that then it was for reasons of colour (what else could it be otherwise).
  or perhaps he had difficulty finding people willing to risk working under him from the start and he enlisted his employers help with this?

  so many questions….

• 264.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:35 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-262:

  

  Are you the no 3 in the ladies bok team?

• 265.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:38 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-264: Are you the gal that kick starts the A380 at ORT in the mornings?

• 266.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:41 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-265:

  Don’t answer a question with a question. Het djou ma djou nie geleer nie?

• 267.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:44 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-266:
  Ethel, is that a dress you’re wearing or are you hiding from me behind the curtains?

  Stick to rugby. If that is not possible, try chatting up another girl, one with square boobs as you aluded to yesterday. This one is really not in the mood for you.

• 268.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:44 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-265:

  I’m the gal who flies the A380. It flies in, in the mornings and out in the evenings. Get you facts straight.

• 269.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:44 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-264:

  No.

  Now go away

• 270.Inevitable:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:46 pm

  @justrugby(justrugby)-67:

  Very few people would disagree with you that many of the Boks are over the hill.

  That, together with abysmal coaching is responsible for the decline in Springbok rugby. Unfortunately, things are not going to improve much while your game is run by people not committed to the Springbok ethos of yesteryear.

  When every test played is contested like a life or death struggle, then and then only will things change for the better. Rugby is a game of heart and passion and the players are dancing to the tune of their paymasters who obviously don’t have either the ability or the interests of the game at heart.

• 271.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:46 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-267:

  OK. Give me your best Ladies Bokkie team and the areas you think they should improve in.

• 272.logie_Jumpbuck:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:48 pm

  Keo,

  Regarding your TV snippets/cameos, I think i have an idea for you.

  I just opened one of your clips (Lambie) and accidentilly had itunes on in the backround, song playing was ‘it’s all been done’ by barenaked ladies. I only realised halfway through your clip why this one was so good!

  It was the damn song in the background buddy!

• 273.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:48 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-262:
  dont think mallet will ever be alowed to coach the boks again.
  not sure if heyneke wuold be prepared to work under him, or rassie for that matter.
  agreed on the rest, mostly.
  they could get all sorts of specialists in to work with the team much like woodward and white did. so yeah, noakes, nienaber, calder come to mind but theres probably a zillion other aspects that could be worked on by specialists.

• 274.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:50 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-263: “do you in your personal life willing submit yourself to work for lesser men and in so doing end up swallowing some pride and integrity?”
  We don’t know each other so even to pose this as rhetorical is not legitimate.

  “i should add that in all probability pdiddy had his assistants thrust upon him because his employers never had complete faith in him to begin with (i’m really asking this as a question?).”
  SARU changed their policy after JW chose his team and seemed to have too much power. It was never a question whether PDV could choose his team or not. I’m saying that a coach (any coach) SHOULD pick his own team. If the accountability of the coach is secure then there is no doubt who has to choose and your boss (SARU) has the right to terminate the team provided there is a performance clause.

  “if not that then it was for reasons of colour (what else could it be otherwise).”
  I shudder to think. Our country should move away from this type of thinking. It was stated that he was picked for reasons other than rugby. What those reasons were have never been cleared and therein lies the cause of this whole sorry mess. Communication, personality, succession, lower salary…all of this COULD have been taken into account. I’m not so naive to suggest those WERE the reasons just illustrating there could be many more reasons other than colour.

  Fact of the matter is that he’s no worse than JW at a similar stage. The difference is that JW was (is?) an arrogant man and the SA psyche enjoys that in a leader.

• 275.Atreides:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:50 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-271: You two need to get a room. All this ladywood in the air….

• 276.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:50 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-271:

  Helen, I am really not interetsed…
  Maybe try chatting up someone of your own size, like Algeria or Coenie Oosthuizen

• 277.Eish:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:51 pm

  Cat fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!

• 278.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:53 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-273:

  We’ve had some great head coaches in the past, Mallet, McIntosh, even Viljoen and Jake…. but what trips us up is that they are allowed to pick their chommies as assistants, so end up having a bunch of yes-men around them.

  As much as I see the value of picking your own assistants, SARU can plan some continuity and accountability by picking the assistants professionally

• 279.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:53 pm

  @Atreides(Atreides)-275:

  Or in Ethel’s case, a hall

• 280.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:54 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-262: Brendan Venter seems to be a good bet for coach, judging from the noises he makes. We need to have a coach that is responsible and accountable for everything surrounding a team. Think about an Alex Ferguson-type manager. The buck stops there.

• 281.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:55 pm

  @Eish(Eish)-277:

  Not really, more like a cat vs a hairy, afghan, swamp donkey!

• 282.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:56 pm

  If we want a strongly managed team after RWC 2011, the we better have a solid coaching staff:
  Manager: Bob / Francois P / Owen Nkumane

  whooaaah.

  hold it right there helly belly.

  let’s all just dry our eyes for a moment.

• 283.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 13:58 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-280:

  I just wonder if we rather pick a manager first and then pick coaches…

  Top coaches, like Fergie, are great leaders… not necessarily the best coaches, just strong leaders who can formulate and communicate a vision and make the tough choices when they’re needed.

  To expect someone like PDivvy to be a manager and leader of our most successful sporting team, is unfair on the man

• 284.Atreides:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:00 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-281: What kind of a cat… ?

• 285.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:01 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-283: Absolutely Helen. We need a leader like no other. At this top level we don’t have to coach skills any longer; that should be done at lower levels. We need strategists. Harry Viljoen and Carel du Plessis tried but they were not given enough time. In Harry’s case maybe he was out of his league but surely Carel had the right trend and Mallett picked up where he started.

• 286.RL:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:04 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-262: WTH … AC as backline coach hahaha.

• 287.Atreides:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:04 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-282: Francois maybe… not the other two!

• 288.Desmond_Tiete:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:05 pm

  make Nelson mandella the coach! me mos won us the 1995 RWC – according to Clint Eastwood atleast

• 289.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:06 pm

  @Atreides(Atreides)-284:

  Those hairless ones

• 290.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:07 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-289:

  Hollywoods or Brazilians.

• 291.Atreides:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:08 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-289: A hairless kitty. Hmm now there’s an image…somewhat spoiled by the contrasting afghan swamnp donkey image tho

• 292.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:09 pm

  @Atreides(Atreides)-287:

  Frankie?

  the “I”-specialist?

  no boet.

• 293.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:09 pm

  Perfect combination:
  Nick Mallett
  Carel du Plessis
  Gert Smal
  Wynand Claassen manager

  That would be no-nonsense running rugby with forward dominance and a man who knows Springbok rugby to instil it into the players.

• 294.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:10 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-293: It’s just a dream folks so allow me some latitude.

• 295.Atreides:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:10 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-292: I heard somewhere he’s a good man manager

• 296.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:13 pm

  @Atreides(Atreides)-295:

  we will agree to disagree.

• 297.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:13 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-293:

  And you AA choice? The baggage handler doesn’t count.

• 298.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:13 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-274:
  forgive me if the personal life question offended you, i meant none.

  do you honestly believe saru changed their policies regarding the coaches authority solely because of jake and less so because of pdiv, if at all?

  as stated he was picked for reasons other than rugby alone. in this country, given our history, are you honestly prepared to ‘make believe’ those reasons could be on account of a host of things and not colour?
  with all due respect, i think that would be naive.

  its true that he’s no worse of better than jw was at a similar stage.
  i disagree on the difference being arrogance alone…jw is far more intelligent than pdv is and was in fact (in large part due to the arrogance you mention) running his own ship. i cant say the same for pdv (lets face it he’s not).

  lets agree the sa psyche enjoys arrogance and intelligence in a leader more than they do just arrogance.

• 299.Atreides:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:14 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-296: hehe have no idea, second hand information…

• 300.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:18 pm

  Mitchell is also in the mix….

  How about Clive Woodward as manager?/!!

• 301.stormersboy:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:18 pm

  Lambie is SPARTA!

  

• 302.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:19 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-278:
  would you say that teddy-g has a bunch of yes men around him? given that he got to pick his assistants?

  i’m inclined to beileve a head coach should pick his own assistants but, yes saru could aid the coach by introducing a process for professionally apointing them.

• 303.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:19 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-297:

  Ethel, you can be baggage handler…. maybe we can also save a bus fares, you can just carry the team to the stadium

• 304.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:19 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-298: No offence taken just made a statement. They did change the policy before they appointed a coach. Not only JW but the previous coaches as well. I stated I’m not naive to think it’s not colour but saying there can be other reasons as well. Colour in itself does not make a coach competent or incompetent.
  I’m not sure that Jake is far more intelligent but I do know he’s more articulate in English and rubbish in Afrikaans and vice versa with PDiv.
  It’s my experience that arrogance wins over intelligence. BS baffles….as the saying goes.

• 305.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:20 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-301: and here i thought he was a sharkie????

• 306.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:21 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-301:

  Hellloooooo sweetie!

• 307.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:21 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-304: JW however is far educated however ,

• 308.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:22 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-302: Who is Teddy G? a rapper?

• 309.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:22 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-303:

  Do I intimidate you that much?

• 310.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:23 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-282:
  stop your killing me….

• 311.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:23 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-297: Don’t be silly girl. Results is the key. Like we had with Pitso in the SWC we can appoint a coach who will be developed to take over after five years!

• 312.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:24 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-306:

• 313.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:24 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-306:

  This is a rugby blog site – not a pick up site. You give us girls a bad name.

• 314.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:24 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-309:

  Yes, you do. Since ‘the incident’ I have always had an irrational fear of those who live in trailers and clean their ears with another woman’s bakkie keys

• 315.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:25 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-307: Higher education does not mean higher intelligence. Einstein was a high school dropout. I’m not debating the intelligence or education of one above the other.

• 316.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:25 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-300:
  with all due respect…FFUCKK joh mitchell!
  yes to woodward.

  @Helen(Helen)-308:
  graham henry.

• 317.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:26 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-313:

  “us girls” ? Really Ethel? Really?

• 318.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:27 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-315: thus i dont worry to much about the intelligence part , as none of us know that side of the 2 , however their jobs and knowledge depends on the education they had regarding the standards needed ,and no doubt who tops that one

• 319.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:31 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-301:

  Hi sweetie.

  How was gym?

  

• 320.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:31 pm

  Did anyone see Helen running the touchline during the SA Academy – France game on Saturday?

• 321.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:32 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-319:

  

• 322.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:33 pm

  Maybe our mistake is to appoint coaches for 4 years.
  We get a manager with solid rugby pedigree. Someone who decides the general direction of the team and strategy… and then the manager picks or keeps a coaching team every year, based on performance.

  The manager brings the continuity, but at least we then have options around coaching.

  Then a manager/leader like Francois Pienaar becomes a real option

• 323.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:34 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-304:
  @LightZone(LightZone)-315:

  i guess this is the point where we ‘agree to disagree’ with one another.

  are you saying the divot is more intelligent but less arrogant than jw?
  i’d say he’s pretty arrogant himself (right up there with the best of them) and in no way equally or more intelligent than jw is (but thats just my opinion, hey).

  can we at least agree that jw trully did indeed run his own ship and that pdv does not, to any similar extent at least. (however, if this is the case then you wonder if he tolerates this only because he’s not soooo arrogant or because he’s not soooo intelligent).

• 324.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:35 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-322:

  Stop reading Mills and Boon – it is destroying your logic.

• 325.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:38 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-324:

  Ethel, how much do you weigh? just an estimate, nearest metric tonne…

• 326.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:44 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-318: That’s true. Other than them both being teachers; Jake from JCE and PDV from Hewat I don’t know their education. Could you shed some light?

• 327.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:45 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-325:

  With or without my ten carat diamond ring?

• 328.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:46 pm

  Sharks Seek Home Dominance
  17 August 2011 (14:19) – The Sharks will be looking to retain their unbeaten home record when they host the Leopards at Mr Price KINGS PARK on Friday evening in an exciting Absa Currie Cup clash.
  Both sides generally look to play attractive, attacking rugby, and if the weather, which has cleared dramatically after a cold snap early in the week, remains good, there is no reason why an exciting game won’t be on display for fans.

  In team changes from last week, John Plumtree has given some of his hard-working players a break while looking to retain much of the continuity that has taken them to second place on the log.

  The loss of Lwazi Mvovo and Patrick Lambie to the Springboks this week has opened doors, with Sibusiso Sithole returning to the starting line-up and a new-look centre partnership being established.

  “I’m giving Stefan Terblanche a bit of a break to give Meyer Bosman and Marius Joubert the opportunity to work together, I’d like to see what they can show me as a partnership as well as individually,” The Sharks coach explains.

  Keegan Daniel will play off the bench this weekend which opens the door for Jacques Botes to start, where he takes over the captaincy from the flank. “Keegan will take a break, he has a bit of wear and tear, but he’ll come off the bench later in the game, but I want to give him a little less time on the field this week.”

  Conrad Hoffman will get a start this weekend to partner Freddie Michalak, “it’s an opportunity to see what he can do after a long lay-off, he’s keen to show me what he’s capable of” says Plumtree.

  The final change to the starting line-up sees Wiehahn Herbst start for Eugene van Staden at tighthead prop with Alistair Hargreaves coming into the team for the first time in the current campaign.

  “The Leopards have conceded a few points this year, but they’ve also scored a few, so they have plenty of attacking threats and will come here with an attitude of wanting to attack and put on a good show. Defensively, we’re going to have to be really up for it.

  “Our defence was good against Western Province, but it was easier in the rain. Hopefully there won’t be any on Friday. They will look to stress us and we have to make sure defensively we’re on target – defence is a big focus for us this weekend.”

  The Sharks

  15. Louis Ludik
  14. Odwa Ndungane
  13. Marius Joubert
  12. Meyer Bosman
  11. Sibusiso Sithole
  10. Frederic Michalak
  9. Conrad Hoffmann
  8. Ryan Kankowski
  7. Marcell Coetzee
  6. Jacques ( C ) Botes
  5. Ross Skeate
  4. Anton Bresler
  3. Wiehahn Herbst
  2. Craig Burden
  1. Dale Chadwick

  Replacements
  16. Kyle Cooper
  17. Eugene van Staden
  18. Alistair Hargreaves
  19. Keegan Daniel
  20. Charl McLeod
  21. Adrian Jacobs
  22. Stefan Terblanche

• 329.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:51 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-327:

  Your ring is certainly not made of diamonds…. I won’t be surprised if it is encrusted, but certainly not with diamonds.

• 330.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:52 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-323: No. I say I don’t know the intelligence of either. I have not seen any IQ test results from either of them. I’m saying their articulation is different and their personalities seem to be different.
  SARU gave JW an enabling environment to “run his own ship” and they did not do so with the next coach (who happens to be our man PDV).
  I can see that they both maintain the same stubbornness, where the one seems more arrogant than the other. The difference is in the way they communicate with their external stakeholders (meaning us, the fans).

• 331.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:53 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-326: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_White

  It does not however say too much about his normal education

• 332.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:55 pm

  By Andy Colquhoun in Paris12:01AM BST 18 Oct 2007Comment
  After four years in the mincer that is South African rugby politics it is arguable that Jake White’s greatest achievement is not that he has taken the Springboks to the World Cup final but that he has done it while retaining his sense of humour.
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  He is, in almost every respect, the same cheery, wise-cracking Jo’burger who made a late run in 2004 to become the 10th man in 13 seasons to inherit the poisoned chalice. He has lasted longer (four seasons), coached in more Tests (53) and survived more threats to his job than any of his predecessors yet, unlike them, he will not walk away either broken, bitter, haunted or disappointed. He walks on his own terms, with a smile on his face.

  But then White probably grew up tough. His parents divorced when he was young and little Jake Antonie was packed off to boarding school in the Eastern Cape at the age of six. He found, in the all-male, sports-obsessed environment, a second home that he has never really left.
  White was a not-very-good hooker back in day school in Johannesburg, but he was an excellent golfer, playing off scratch, though he turned down an American university scholarship to instead complete a teaching degree at Wits University in Johannesburg.
  He returned to his alma mater, Jeppe Boys High, to start teaching and there remains much of the schoolmaster about him. He continues to call his players ‘boys’ and reintroduced the traditional gold-braided Springbok blazer – though he has not managed to get all of them out of white boots and to have short back and sides.
  He admitted after getting the job that the height of his ambitions had once been to coach the South African Schools team: the national job was reserved for former Springboks. But if you look in a South African dictionary the definition of “chutzpah” probably says “Jake White” – and when he was given the job he had an unshakeable confidence that he could build a World Cup-winning team.
  He had his first taste of it as technical adviser to Nick Mallett at the time the Springboks were putting together a world record- equalling run of 17 successive victories in 1998, and then worked again as an assistant coach to a later Springbok coach, Harry Viljoen, in 2001.
  But White was better known in South African rugby as the man with the Midas touch at age-group level. He was an assistant coach to the South African Under-21s in 1999 and duly helped them win the old SANZAR/UAR title, involving South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and Argentina, in Buenos Aires. He returned to the team in a full-time role at the start of 2002 and immediately steered a side featuring nine of this World Cup squad to the International Rugby Board Under-21 title.
  Every time the Springbok job fell vacant, though, White would apply. When the phone call finally came he was standing on the touchline in Canberra at a Brumbies training session – organised for him by Eddie Jones – a favour he might be about to return with a World Cup winners medal.
  Rather than utilising an Australian gameplan, however, White chose a South African route for his new team. He gave them a playing style that Jones, as Wallaby coach, once perceptively described as “culturally appropriate”. It was founded around the blitzkrieg of the rush defence and powerful ball carriers all generally performed by the biggest and quickest players he could find for every position.
  He has stuck by it and by his players, despite criticism and abuse in the intervening years from public, media and, most hurtfully to White, who has done much to restore Springbok traditions, former Bok players, who have frequently called for him to be sacked.
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  “In some ways their criticism has made me more determined to get it right,” he says now. “There are many occasions where I’ve told the players that they should never allow themselves to become one of those players.” But he has always bounced back and has smiled, shaken hands and patiently and ungrudgingly performed every media task required of him in this tournament, occasionally being the last to leave a press conference.
  He will also chat and gossip about global rugby and come out with his fast one-liners – often at his own expense – and never mind the fact that his audience might contain those who have implacably campaigned for his removal in the fevered back corridors of South African rugby power.
  When White was appointed there were many who doubted that he had the players to halt their decline down the IRB rankings, while his inexperience as a head coach at senior level made his appointment look, at best, an educated guess.
  Could it be that he will have the last laugh after all?
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• 333.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:56 pm

  well there is something i didn’t know about Jake White, he turned down a golf scholarship in the USA as he is or was a scratch golfer

• 334.stormer in a teacup:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:57 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-330: Alas, not really. JW had Luke Watson foisted on him and was called back from an overseas tour to justify his continued status as coach.

• 335.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:59 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-331: OK. So we can’t also say that JW has a higher education than PDV? So we must then go back to say that the communication of the two is the difference? JW articulates infinitely better in English than Afrikaans and PDV vice versa?

  We as the external stakeholders need to be kept in the picture and that is not happening at present. We rely on conjecture and supposition, which is hardly a good thing. For example, we’re still speculating about what happened at the “planning meetings” and “Camp Rustenberg”…it’s as if we’re taken for a ride whereas with JW we knew more or less exactly what is happening. Transparency in communication is always better than not.

• 336.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:02 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-335: true, thing is J W was and has always been known as a technical expert on the game,

  So recognized world wide

  can we say the same about PD?

• 337.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:03 pm

  I know Jake well and won’t find a more decent human being.

  No matter what is said or written about him, the world cup winners medal could not have gone to a more decent, humble and friendly man

• 338.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:05 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-337: i will concur, even though i have only met him once , had breakfast together and chatted about 45 min

• 339.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:06 pm

  @stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-334: But to a large degree he was given an enabling environment – in line with policy at the time – to choose his own team (coaching team). PDV fought to have the right to choose his own team (of players) but was not allowed to choose his own team (of coaches).
  PDV also had to answer to his bosses. It seems to be part of their process.

• 340.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:07 pm

  I remember sitting in Jake’s house while he was still Jeppe coach / teacher and shortly after we met.
  James Dalton and others had told me legendary stories about the man and coach and sitting in his bar, I saw what a deep passion he has for the game. He had collected memoriblia of former players and spoke of his collection in a way that made me feel a tear or two was appropriate.

• 341.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:08 pm

  It goes without saying that the greatest sadness is that he and Debbie couldn’t survive the pressures of the coaching job… They deserved each other.

• 342.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:10 pm

  Like you see, don’t get me started on Jake White…. UBER respect for the man. He deserved better treatment from all of us and will remain the FDR of SA Rugby for generations to come

• 343.stormersboy:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:11 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-319: LOL. Great thanks!

• 344.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:12 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-336: @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-338: @Helen(Helen)-337:
  That I will definitely concede. Due to his involvement in technical analysis with the Springboks over a long period he became adept at it. PDV, however, also coached a winning U21 World Cup team. Their pedigree seems the same.

  JW may be a decent human being but his public persona is one of arrogance. The public persona of PDV is one of stubbornness. I have met both and spoke with them both (at seperate times) and find them both equally engaging and extremely knowledgeable on the game (obviously) but they definitely have divergent personalities.

• 345.stormersboy:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:15 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-306: Hello Dahlink.

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-305: Lambie was the 301st Spartan. The real reason they were able to hold back the hordes

• 346.cane:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:17 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-337:

  Were Jakes words concerning Young Luke,
  humble, friendly and decent?

• 347.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:19 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-345:

• 348.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:19 pm

  @cane(cane)-346:
  Absolutely.

• 349.Desmond_Tiete:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:21 pm

  cane, gaan jy ook op die “ek gaan vir sewe weke niks spyker” – diet gaan? lol only in NZ!! weird country!

• 350.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:23 pm

  While the rugby world’s #s 1 & 2 have pleasant problems to ponder about, quite the same cannot be said for the team with the racist springbok now on the sleeve and slipping ever downward.

  Week after week for about 6 weeks now we see the national psyche gravitate from forlorn hope(even with the squad for the away TN games)and unfathomable believe only to end in utter despair and frustration and anger come Sat. to Monday(inclusive). All because most fools cannot grasp exactly what is swirling around their restricted little heads.

  Instead of investing, in these dreadful economic times even, in non-serving hindsight so regularly why not develope some knowledge base to the point of exhibiting some genuine foresight, and not the type acquired from the writing provebially being on the wall already(even if there is a rare win come late Sat.).

  That is the challenge to avoid the blood, sweat and copious tears.

• 351.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:26 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-345:

  you been in the free weights section again?

  wid da big dawgs.

• 352.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:28 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-350:

  Take a chill pill, fella

  You seem like an angry little man, probably dominated by a strong female personality. Find other ways of expressing your obvious contempt for our team, maybe try self flaggelation…

• 353.>^..^< katman:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:34 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-350: You seriously need to learn how to write properly. Enough of these wanky multi-part sentences with interjections and brackets, because you get lost up your own arse without fail. Keep it simple – like you – and you won’t go wrong. At the very least, pay some attention to the use of spaces after words and punctuation. Pretty please. It’s a fcking mess.

• 354.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:34 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-330:
  yes, but i’m saying you could make a reasonable assumption as to the intelligence of both…no?,,,
  on the basis of all thats gone before us why would it be not be?

  lets play hypotheticals…
  their similarly shared experiences as bok coaches would in a way suffice as a standardised iq test, which both would have then been submitted to, ja?

  and their test scores would be ranked according to their answers, insights and influence in getting their teams to this same point in preperation and readiness before and also during a world cup (but only at different places in time).

  bearing in mind that pdv is cribbing a litttle by not fully ‘running his own exam’ we could still score them individually on their tests. i would place jw on a higher score by this point and, further, bet that this would hold all the way through till the end of the world cup.

  in short i’m saying i dont believe he is as intelligent as jw or a lot of other rugby coaches in the country (and in this case, it is because of reasons of rugby and not on other – or colour for that matter). he a great man manager yes, and has a charismatic type thing going for him but thats it.

• 355.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:37 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-352:

  Even though the word anger appears there it and every other notion intimated reflects NO anger.

  The result thus is you are totally wrong in every little point you merely attempt to make.

  Surely then, you cannot even begin to be thought of as being the One of Troy.

  Dismissed!

• 356.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:37 pm

  ET, go home

• 357.cane:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:40 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-355:

  Just when everyone was starting to enjoy themselves……………………………………………….YOU SHOW UP.

• 358.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:42 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-350:

  FAIL.

• 359.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:43 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-355:

  Dude, who tought you how to construct setences in English?

  You seem to want to use BIG words and concepts, but like the Kat says, you end up getting knotted in your own words.

  Just speak like a human being.

• 360.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:44 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-358: Yes, you’re right, BIG FAIL!!!

  Don’t you have some errends to run for your wife before she gets home?

• 361.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:44 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-356:

  Defeated and already dismissed.

• 362.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:45 pm

  @cane(cane)-357:

  Indeed.

  It’s like the creepy uncle that shows up at every family gathering and then proceeds to get shitfaced and grope the servants.

• 363.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:45 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-344:
  funny a lot of the rumours around pdv winning that wc, and this supposedly from players, assistants, technicals, admin, people around him and other so involved was that the under21 kids won that wc in spite of pdv and not really because of him.

  the guys got good charisma and man management skills and that about it. in this regard he is in fact very similar to ian mcgheechan in my opinion.

• 364.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:47 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-361:
  Again, no sense…
  Thanks for making us all feel better about ourselves, much like a hobo seeing a hungry, 2 legged, homeless dog.

• 365.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:48 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-354: Anyway. I have no interest invested in either JW or PDV intelligence. It helps us nothing to prove who is more intelligent. What matters at this juncture is whether we get the William Webb Ellis trophy for a third time and in that way having successfully defended the right to be called World Cup holders or World Champions, whichever way you (pl) care to lean. IQ testing falls within a specific scientific discipline and I am certainly not qualified to do that. My expertise resides in other areas.
  I know that Adolf Hitler was a great orator and he had a high level of intelligence and see where that got us. Intelligence in itself – like many other things – is not a precursor to greatness. I would much more go with someone who can use their experience and those of others to further enlighten.

• 366.>^..^< katman:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:48 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-359: Sshhh… ET is a visionary. He sees messages in the water after his own bowel movements and simply channels them to us mortals. It’s like tealeaves meets burning bush, but with an odour.

• 367.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:48 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-359:

  Now you sound like an old , well-known Hag as you cannot counter every truth of 350.

  Your minnions gather around you now like flies around your horse’s a r s e .

• 368.cane:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:48 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-362:

  Hey I’m that Uncle Gunna.

  And Dolores loves it.

• 369.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:51 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-360:

  moi?

• 370.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:52 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-363: So then maybe that is the kind of coach we need? Maybe that was why he was appointed? Charisma and man management skills? That surely is not purely rugby reasons? Why would you then feel the need to paint PDV as a man with low or no intelligence?

• 371.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:52 pm

  @cane(cane)-368:

  at NZ$ 50/ hour so she should.

• 372.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:52 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-367:

  Ok, so we should stop talking about rugby, stop supporting the Boks and never believe they can win or improve? lest we have ‘copious tears’ (sic)

• 373.cane:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:53 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-367: ‘

  Come on ET.

  You are better than that, surely.
  We should all be encouraging Feminine participation here on Keo.

  We need more Dawn’s, Lilly’s, Carol’s…..etc.

• 374.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:54 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-364:

  So with your lack of understanding just four words you must be of the small ‘brain’ types that abound here. Much like the ones around your copious a r s e.

  How thoroughly boring.

• 375.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:54 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-369: Sorry, meant for ET.

• 376.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:56 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-375:

  But you are right.

  I do have to pick up her dry cleaning on the way home.

  Otherwise I will be sleeping with the fishes.

  ExTraball better not have used too much starch.

• 377.Michael:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:56 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-248: More like no one would be willing to work for SARU knowing they would have the sole backing of the head coach. Imagine one of the assistants trying to apply for the head coach job after that? It’d go down like a ton of bricks.
  PdV needed to have been able to appoint his assistants from the get-go without interference, ala White.

• 378.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:56 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-374:

  Buddy, I know you have discovered a new word ‘copious’, but please spend the time to use it in the correct way. It is not possible to have a ‘copious a r s e’ or ‘copious tears’ for that matter.

• 379.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:56 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-372:

  Deluded too I witness. Post #350 was pure rugby. can you claim the same for your #352?

  Co and count all your digits on your body again.

  Bye!

• 380.Michael:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:56 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-248: I would also appoint Meyer post-WC.

• 381.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:57 pm

  should read Can and Go.@ET.(ET.)-379:

• 382.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:58 pm

  ET is not real. It is one of those automated spam ‘users’ from Korea with a translation app to boot!

• 383.KWAGGA ROBERTSE:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:59 pm

  I see ET faking up the neighberhood again. Without fail he seems to wrestle away the the title ‘Doos of the week’ from all contenders.

• 384.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:59 pm

  @cane(cane)-373:

  Sadly women make Extresticular uncomfortable.

  He feels inadequate around them.

  I blame his sisters for making him wear their clothes.

  Added to the pressures of carrying on the armed struggle from a basement in philly on stolen internet access and we have a recipe for disaster.

• 385.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:59 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-379:

  Finally, bye ET…
  we’ll miss you (like we miss a headache that suddenly disappears)

• 386.cane:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:00 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-371:

  Hey when Dolores dresses up in her french maid outfit, with black stockings and feather duster……………………………………………@.NZ$50.00/hour she is worth every penny.

  And then some.

  8)

• 387.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:00 pm

  @KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-383: Spot on sweetie!

• 388.>^..^< katman:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:01 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-382: Do you say this because he offered you price-slashed viagra and a p_enis enlargement procedure? He this this to everyone.

• 389.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:03 pm

  @cane(cane)-386:

  clean pipes and clean furniture.

  is a winning combination

• 390.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:03 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-370:
  because its the truth. and this is not a bad thing to say. it just is.
  perhaps everybody would be better off if he shouldered a bit more of the thinking work so that his assistants and two captains could be free to devote their energies to their specific tasks.
  you cant fault jw on that at least.

  just one look at teddy-g tells you this is a man who stays up late a lot of nights thinking really hard. jw had that no doubt, but pdv does not.

• 391.KWAGGA ROBERTSE:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:05 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-388: Jou span hou aan met hulle kak. As dit so aangaan gaan ek hulle MOET begin pick op SuperBru

• 392.cane:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:06 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-389:

  lol.

• 393.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:08 pm

  @cane(cane)-357:

  ” YOU SHOW UP ” yes, with the absolute truth of #350. Reveal the non-factual.

  cane(cane)-373:

  Stop playing the Dummy I know you are, and compromised too.

  Do you truly know the gender to the extent even that you believed your buddy Fern’s ‘death’
  Is there ‘rea’ LIFE’ here in cyber?

  Besides who started being offensive in 352 to my only rugby post of 350?

  Keep your questionable values only to yourself for even your boy will reject some of those if not all sometime soon.

• 394.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:08 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-365:
  well, would you call pdv out as a man able to further enlighten through his experience?

  @Michael(mikeybrass)-380:
  such an under appreciated rugby brain. deserves far more than the scant praise he gets.

• 395.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:10 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-385:

  You do not even understand the simple drunken headache.

  Pain is a message to say damage is being done.

• 396.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:10 pm

  @KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-391:

  Too true.

  In fact katters has a bottle of MOET on ice.

  Just in case the basement dwellers achieve the unthinkable.

• 397.cane:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:14 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-395:

  You do not even understand the simple drunken headache.
  Pain is a message to say ET is here.

• 398.>^..^< katman:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:16 pm

  @KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-391: Moenie. Dit sal hulle waarskynlik sink. Al wat ons aan die gang hou is die feit dat niemand iets verwag nie.

• 399.KWAGGA ROBERTSE:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:16 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-396: Problem is that currently that MOET is heading straight to the tummy in the near future if things carry on the way they are.

• 400.>^..^< katman:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:17 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-396: Did I say Moet? I meant Spumanté. Similar though, isn’t it?

• 401.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:18 pm

  So finally Gunther the scraps ‘boytjie’ has nicely settled into his role of taking the crumbs falling from the tables of discontent.

  Have your replaced that melted ice-cube already and is that too the very, very, miniscule, microscopic tip of your ” iceberg “, as you once again confuse your adjectives with the nouns?

• 402.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:18 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-395:

  ET, you are just pathetic.
  Desperate to make sense, sound intelligent and be taken seriously. None of which will happen here.
  I will not speak to you again, you are so painful and delusional.

• 403.stormersboy:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:19 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-400: Bubbles….check. Grapes……..check. European name…….check.

  For the finer details you may want to check with ET. As long as it’s ages beyond 30 years.

• 404.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:19 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-400:

  course it is.

  just clumsier.

  like extrabollock.

• 405.cane:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:20 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-393:

  “your buddy Fern’s……………………..”.

  On one thing, I can assure you ET.

  Fernly and I are NOT buddies.

• 406.KWAGGA ROBERTSE:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:22 pm

  Goeie bliksem maar hierdie ding is soos n donnerse sonbesie wat nie sy lemoene wil vat en boggerof nie.

• 407.stormersboy:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:23 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-402: It’s a no win situation babes. He is one of the least self aware people you are ever likely to come across. He is best ignored. Mocked from time to time for one’s own amusement, but mostly ignored.

• 408.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:24 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-403:

  extratesticular rocks the pinotage.

  champagne is out of his area of expertise.

  he is the sodastream king.

• 409.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:26 pm

  babes.

  cough.

• 410.stormersboy:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:26 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-408: yes and the king of mixed beverages, the Katemba.

• 411.stormersboy:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:28 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-409: It’s european. It goes with my Tom Jones limited edition medalion.

  Chicks dig it.

• 412.KWAGGA ROBERTSE:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:28 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-408: Sweeto en cheap koekkies…….

• 413.>^..^< katman:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:28 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-408: PPHHHFFFWWWRRRT

  (let it breathe a while)

• 414.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:29 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-407: Thanks sweetie! You are such a honey!

• 415.KWAGGA ROBERTSE:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:30 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-413: Well out!!!!!

• 416.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:32 pm

  @cane(cane)-397:

  You try too hard, poor soul.

  If the medic asks you where “here” is wrt your pain what would your response be but a blank look on your face?
  Do you realise that is fictitious(mere word/s) and you in cyber and in real life surely must be fictitious too?

  Go to bed now.

• 417.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:32 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-411:

  it’s true.

  your manners are beautifully continental.

  completely wasted in Urbanville.

  the mansac of course fits right in

• 418.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:33 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-413:

  

• 419.>^..^< katman:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:35 pm

  @KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-415: ET can make you a soda stream in any flavour you can think of. He recommends the monkeygland merlot.

• 420.KWAGGA ROBERTSE:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:39 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-419: Hehehehe You have now opened the table for a serious talking to in his royal nutsack’s finest English.

• 421.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:40 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-419: hahahaha… that is funny!

  ET can apparently also make a mean soup sandwich in his waffle iron

• 422.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:41 pm

  Yeeha! ET is defeated!

  Well done Kwagga and Kat.
  Apparently ET is just like a Xmas tree. The balls are only for decoration

• 423.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:42 pm

  It has been 16 minutes since his last post.., Can it be, can it be??

• 424.stormersboy:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:43 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-417: I’m grateful you didn’t call it a man-purse like those ignoramus’ down the street, They think they are so clever with their horseshoe games in the front yard and half complete vehicles in the driveway….

• 425.KWAGGA ROBERTSE:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:44 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-421: Rather prepare him a nice scrumtious and healthy ‘go f**k yourself’ sandwich and send him on his way.

• 426.stormersboy:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:45 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-423: Unfortunately he has just had to dash back to the lab to wash the petri dishes from the lecture and look up some more confusing phrases from his “How to sound sophisticated, for dummies” book.

• 427.KWAGGA ROBERTSE:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:46 pm

  Time for something cold with a skuimpie on top.

  Have a good one everybody!

• 428.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:53 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-424:

  

  what do you carry in those mansacs?

  yourvagina?

• 429.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:58 pm

  where has extraball gone?

  don’t tell me his phallus of fizz has run out of gas.

• 430.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 16:58 pm

  As always the wolf-pack of those long gone days of ‘apartheid’ can only live in the fantasy world(much like their rugby efforts), the world of their fictions and in archives of the world of their delusional falsehoods.

  Only truths will stick but not even your best bostick can help your so lame, limp, daily, childish guess-work. Show something original if not new.

  But what can one expect from those with fathers and mothers, and some of them even, who can only claim to have given the world ‘APARTHEID’ that they now appear to hide from like the plague but falsely so?

• 431.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 17:04 pm

  When counter notions or simple ideas fail, in true Nazi fashion, as in Cabaret, vulgarity survives and rules their delinquent world.

  You may run short on vulgarity for Saturday, save some of it.

  TNs 3P 3L, meaning the mini-coach carrying your hopes is about to topple over.

• 432.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 17:06 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-414: will u2 get a room ??

• 433.stormersboy:
  17 Aug 2011, 17:09 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-428:

  That and a spare pack of kotex. For those not so confident days.

• 434.>^..^< katman:
  17 Aug 2011, 17:11 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-430: You’d give your extra testicle to be part of a wolf pack. Not going to happen though.

• 435.Atreides:
  17 Aug 2011, 17:19 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-430: Lo it took you 20 minutes to come up with that? Were you rubbing yourself in syrup while you typed it?

  As you were, boy

• 436.Tuna:
  17 Aug 2011, 17:21 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-430: Who pissed in your sippy cup this morning? Get a life.

• 437.Sheriff:
  17 Aug 2011, 17:26 pm

  Did anyone see Carol?

• 438.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 17:40 pm

  Herd mentality is well-known to the Germans of yore, and thus your ilk who share some of those genes.

  It has always been individualism of the so few that has given the brilliance of a Michelangelo or even mundanely the rugby brilliance of a Cliff Morgan or Barry John or Hugo Porta

  Faith in oneself is the best and safest course. Even the great man of Caprese, said it.

  You all happy with the elapse of time while I flit in and out from doing better things?

• 439.David:
  17 Aug 2011, 18:05 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-438:
  Hi ET,I admire your choice of flyhalf examples. I see that Leeds have finally managed to register a win, and a good one at that.

• 440.mpundulu:
  17 Aug 2011, 18:27 pm

  From a NZ publication: Practice in a gherkin field set him up, writes Dylan Cleaver.

  Read it one of two ways: Dan Carter’s omission from the 2004 Rugby Almanack’s list of five promising players was either an embarrassing oversight for the august publication, or evidence that the Cantabrian’s ascension was so rapid there was no time for him to be “promising”.

  If anything, another young Cantabrian, Cam McIntyre, was touted as having a long future in the black No 10 jersey, particularly when Carter’s initial foray into first-class and test rugby were as Aaron Mauger’s understudy at second five-eighth.

  “I was just going with the flow. I didn’t really know where I was going to play, where I was going to end up,” Carter said of his positional swap.

  Pick your top 20 greatest All Blacks of all time.

  “I’m really thankful for the way it turned out, getting that opportunity to play a lot of rugby at No 12.

  “It’s not easy playing first five at Super rugby and NPC level. It’s quite a demanding position for a young player. It really worked in my favour getting experience … off the old masters in Andrew Mehrtens and Carlos Spencer.

  “When my time came to pull on the 10 jersey, I’d had some experience at the highest level.”

  Funny how the wheel of fortune turns. McIntyre has carved himself out a nice little career at French club Castres, while Carter recently inked a deal, reportedly worth $6 million, that will keep him in New Zealand rugby until the end of 2015. It should see him overtake nearly every rugby record.

  “It’s not a given to play for the All Blacks and there’s a lot of young talent coming through in the next couple of years,” Carter said. “They’ll be in their prime so that’s a challenge I’m looking forward to.”

  Perhaps.

  Carter is peerless in the No 10 jersey, has been for the past six years and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

  Not bad for a kid from tiny Southbridge who dreamed of being John Kirwan until he stopped growing at 6 and didn’t start again until he was 12.

  “One of my earliest memories was the 1987 World Cup,” Carter recalled. “I was only 5 and remember John Kirwan scoring that length-of-the-field try and scoring a try in the final.

  “I’d always be out in the back yard pretending I was JK.”

  That he had a back yard at all was a remarkable piece of foresight on the part of Mr and Mrs Carter. It was a gherkin field, but sick of repairing broken windows as they watched their son use a gap in the roof as makeshift goalposts, the Carters ripped out the gherkins, laid some grass and erected a proper set.

  “The beauty of living in a small community is that all your mates are not far away. We lived on a block and I had seven or eight mates that used to come around to my house – because we had the posts – almost every day after school.

  “We’d play games of rugby, league and having kicking competitions, everything. I still get along with a few … we keep in contact so it’s pretty cool.”

  By then the diminutive Carter had abandoned JK and turned to Graeme Bachop. “I tried to perfect my pass like his, because he had an awesome pass.”

  After making the South Island secondary schools team out of Ellesmere College, Carter decided Christchurch Boys’ High was where he needed to be to take his rugby further.

  He made South Island schools again but suffered one of his few selection setbacks, spending more time than he would have liked on the bench as one Brendon McCullum directed traffic at No 10.

  “That year, 2000, he was playing some awesome footy, so I spent a fair bit of time on the bench. He was a natural sportsman, good hand eye.”

  It was a minor blip.

  The New Zealand Colts followed, as did selection in the Canterbury NPC squad.

  “It was actually quite intimidating being in that Canterbury environment. There were so many All Blacks, guys I looked up to at high school, like Justin Marshall, Andrew Mehrtens and Reuben Thorne. Suddenly I was sitting alongside them in the changing rooms. I found it pretty daunting, to be honest, but I picked up a thing or two.”

  Or three. Within a couple of years he was recognised as the best No 10 of his generation and was nudging his way into “Best of All Time” discussions.

  He might not be the dynamic attacking force he was in his 2005-06 pomp, where he could shred defences at will with his running game, but he is a more astute tactician and an ultra-consistent goalkicker.

  “The more you play, the more experience you gather about the different situations you get put in. You learn to adapt to those situations quicker.

  “I’ve played a lot of rugby now so I’m pretty comfortable in pressure scenarios … I pride myself on my all-round game and having that experience helps. I feel I’m in a good place and playing some good footy.”

  The best illustration of Carter’s influence can be seen when he is not there. The All Blacks struggled in’09 when he was recovering from a snapped Achilles suffered while playing for Perpignan in the Top 14.

  Last year in Hong Kong the All Blacks went from a sure-thing in their final Bledisloe Cup test of the year to disappointed losers.

  Most gallingly, the All Blacks suffered in the World Cup quarter-final against France four years ago in Cardiff when an ankle injury first rendered Carter ineffective, then finally forced him from the field.

  “To be injured and sitting in the stands, I just felt so helpless.

  “You could feel it going down the drain and with nothing you could do about it, it was just about the toughest place to be.”

  It is the only gap on Carter’s CV. While he has shone brighter perhaps than any other rugby star in the past two World Cup cycles, the tournaments themselves have not been that kind.

  He was used as a late substitute for Mauger in the 2003 quarter-final against South Africa and not at all in the semifinal loss to Australia. Four years later he played just 195 minutes before the All Blacks were knocked out as he battled the coaches’ rotation policy and a troublesome ankle.

  Without a credible back-up No 10, New Zealand needs 2011 to be the year Carter rights his World Cup wrongs and confirms that the shekels being paid into his account over the next four years are a bargain.

  Carter’s greatest hits
  1 v Lions, Wellington, 2005 – The apex of first five-eighth play. Carter was so good it was mesmerising. He scored two tries, one a sideline-hugging chip-and-chase, nailed four out of five conversions and landed five penalties in a 48-18 win.

  2 v South Africa, Wellington, 2006 – A year after his Lions triumph, Carter produced another Westpac Stadium classic, scoring 25 points and running the All Black cutter faultlessly in the 35-17 win.

  3 v Australia, Brisbane, 2008 – One try and four superb conversions were Carter’s contributions in this enthralling 28-24 win to the All Blacks. Australia were as good as they had been for a long time and it is no exaggeration to say the All Blacks would have finished a distant second were it not for Richie McCaw and, in particular, Carter.

  4 v England, London, 2006 – Young England midfielder Anthony Allen was making his debut and Carter ensured it was a miserable one, fending him off to score from 35m out in this 41-20 rout. Carter had an exceptional match, scoring 26 points.

  5 v Australia, Sydney, 2009 – for sheer bloody-mindedness, this comeback from his serious Achilles injury makes the list. The All Blacks had been in a terrible funk, losing twice in South Africa and were favourites to go down in Sydney too, but a Carter penalty, his fifth success from six attempts, with two minutes remaining sealed the 19-18 win.

• 441.mpundulu:
  17 Aug 2011, 18:28 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-438: Never forget Phil Bennet

• 442.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 18:40 pm

  @David(David)-439:

  Hey! David. that “finally” seems a bit harsh as since the season began they have played 4 and won 2(Carling included).
  Grayson seems to end a good season poorly with his sudden too late loanees or begin a good one (hopefully) equally poorly(injuries to too many strikers).

  I have seen 3 of the 4 games and will see Sunday’s game against WHU too.

  What was good about yesterday’s win was the 4 academy players in the team.

  Norwich are said to be buying up to 8 players and 3 I can already name as Arca( most expensive), Pilkington and Vaughn.

  I often watch Sky news and saw Norwich do an expensive promo with Nigel Mansell.

  Also saw Schalk Brits say ABs to win RWC and England to do well.

• 443.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 18:42 pm

  @mpundulu(mpundulu)-441:

  I never do(because of ’74) but I cannot name all as just examples of brilliance. I have to stop somewhere and those three are my very best, historically.

• 444.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 18:52 pm

  Hey at last Keo, an IPad version, not a great one but one at least

• 445.mpundulu:
  17 Aug 2011, 18:58 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-443: in the old era Morgan, John, and Bennet were the business mate. They had it all, Barry John was probably more related to Carter in todays game.

• 446.JockBok:
  17 Aug 2011, 19:00 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-444:

  I bought the one for my ipod touch thinking it would make posting easier than from a mobile.

  It doesn’t have the function to blog and crashes constantly.

• 447.mpundulu:
  17 Aug 2011, 19:00 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-443: It’s amazing that Wales could produce those three effectively in a row. Look at them now!

• 448.JockBok:
  17 Aug 2011, 19:02 pm

  Hehe, ET getting his arsse handed to him never loses it’s appeal.

• 449.JockBok:
  17 Aug 2011, 19:04 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-442:

  Why bother watching. Surely science has already revealed the outcome to you.

• 450.David:
  17 Aug 2011, 19:13 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-442:
  Norwich finished their signings last week with Ayala. None of the 8 additions seem to have cost more than 2 million each.
  Sorry about Leeds jibe. Must of missed your first win.

• 451.Dawn:
  17 Aug 2011, 19:14 pm

  Good grief! New names new look same brawl!

• 452.David:
  17 Aug 2011, 19:20 pm

  @mpundulu(mpundulu)-445:
  Then there was Dai Watkins between Morgan and John. Absolutely brilliant and the first Welshman to turn professional.

• 453.mpundulu:
  17 Aug 2011, 19:25 pm

  @David(David)-452: You must forgive me, I only watched the Glory Years of Wales and a number of games of Morgan. I’m not familiar with Dai watkins at all. What kind of game did he play?

• 454.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 19:26 pm

  @Dawn(Dawn)-451:

  Same common denominator

• 455.David:
  17 Aug 2011, 19:38 pm

  @mpundulu(mpundulu)-453:
  Very much a running game and loved the inside break. A rather more solid version of Bennet. He captained Wales before moving to League where he became a truly great inside centre for Great Britain. He was the second of the Welsh flyhalf factory that ended with Bennett.
  Most people forget that John was a brilliant running 10 as well. I’ll never forget watching him at Newlands in ’68, just before he broke his leg and ended his Lions tour.

• 456.Dawn:
  17 Aug 2011, 19:45 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-454:

  Twat of the highest order with absoluty no respect for women whatsoever.

• 457.I am a stormer:
  17 Aug 2011, 19:56 pm

  Some brilliant keo comedy on view today.

  And one silly sad sack stuck for an answer.

  Reminds me of the ********* screaming to the ******:

  “Beat me, beat me.”

  ******: “No, i won’t.”

• 458.I am a stormer:
  17 Aug 2011, 19:58 pm

  you’d swear i was swearing

  m asochist and
  s adist
  are inappropriate.

  Could’ve fooled me.

• 459.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 19:58 pm

  @Dawn(Dawn)-456:

  Of the highest order,

• 460.WP Till I Die:
  17 Aug 2011, 20:01 pm

  What did I miss?

  I’ve been too busy breaking the global financial system to follow what’s been going on.

• 461.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 20:01 pm

  @mpundulu(mpundulu)-447:

  Those were the THE Wales of those glory years. Magic stuff

  .@David(David)-450:

  If Ayala is your Liverpool millions pound signing then it is him and not as I say Arca.

  But the others (I saw 3 other names) are as you say your lower level signings of yesterday late.

  Leeds beat Bradford 3-2 last Tues.

• 462.WP Till I Die:
  17 Aug 2011, 20:07 pm

  I need some help.

  A friend offered me a case of 1981 Beyerskloof Pinotage, but I am not sure whether it will be a good investment at the price?

  I normally have no problem investing in wine since I can always drink the negative equity…but…will it be drinkable?

  Comments are welcome, please.

• 463.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 20:11 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-454:

  Absolutely correct and your honesty about yourself and your SS gestapo friends(pretending to be a-racial) is truly worthy of much praise. Keep it up boy!

  Inform your friend that the indications are there that the grouse indulgence is having its loss of mental function effect ; “absoluty”.

  Indicate to the same fool that humans earn, and not demand, respect but for me ideas of humans gain respect for them and the sod has NONE.

• 464.David:
  17 Aug 2011, 20:13 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-461:
  Ayala was rumoured at 800,000. I reckon Norwich want to still have money and players if they get relegated.

• 465.Dawn:
  17 Aug 2011, 20:14 pm

  Damn you are ******* rude

• 466.David:
  17 Aug 2011, 20:18 pm

  @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-462:
  If the first bottle is undrinkable, just bundle the rest up with a few cases of Rubicon, a couple of Kruger rands and give it to Goldman Sachs so sell.

• 467.WP Till I Die:
  17 Aug 2011, 20:31 pm

  David, you are indeed very wise.

• 468.stormersboy:
  17 Aug 2011, 20:36 pm

  @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-462: What is the price?

• 469.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 20:59 pm

  @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-462:

  I would sell it to a stupid schmuk like extraball and laugh all the way to the bank.

  Assuming his cheque has cleared.

  

• 470.Dawn:
  17 Aug 2011, 21:02 pm

  Poor new blogger helen – first exposure to this fuckwit is being told she’s a horse’s a s s

• 471.WP Till I Die:
  17 Aug 2011, 21:06 pm

  Stormersboy, it appears red herrings make poor bait. Beyers Truter started making pinotage in 1981, but for Kanonkop.

  Gunther, cheques are so 80s – but then again, so is ET…

  Dawn, yes, what can you say? But at least ET seems to garner about as much support on here as Eugene Terre’Blanche did (even in his heyday).

• 472.Dawn:
  17 Aug 2011, 21:31 pm

  ***************************

• 473.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 21:40 pm

  Same old, same old, I see.

• 474.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 21:42 pm

  @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-471:

  I dunno.

  I like the noise my Mont Blanc makes as it scratches its way across the paper.

• 475.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 21:47 pm

  I am struggling to build up a head of steam for this WC…..not feeling the excitement as yet…..

  Maybe I am headed for the flu or something….

• 476.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 21:49 pm

  There is not a single vulgar or bleeped word in post #463 so there are NO facts to support the silly claim of #465.

  On the contrary there is a bleeped/starred word in 465, so that surely must be what the claim fits.

  PietWapen is known to have seen the truth about his dismal and failing policies as rude too. Guess there are many more who would like to join his brigade of ‘not-rude’ diehards.

• 477.Dawn:
  17 Aug 2011, 21:50 pm

  Nothing compared to the swish of the Diners Club card

• 478.Dawn:
  17 Aug 2011, 21:51 pm

  Nothing compared to the swish of the Diners Club card.

• 479.stormersboy:
  17 Aug 2011, 21:57 pm

  @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-471: I knew that, but I didn’t spot it. My bad, Well played.

• 480.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 21:57 pm

  Horses’ a r ses are very important, just ask that crack doyen trainer of race-horses, Tterence Millard.

  He picked all his top-notch champion fillies by looking at their big a r s e s and then bought them ranked on their sizes.

  So the analogy, “like flies around a horse’s a r s e”, too is important.
  Would you still moan and groan if I deemed you too smartarsed?

  So all these SS, vulgar boytjies, so eminently crying rude , vulgar etc., just suck it up boys and cry about Sat. and the RWC thereafter.

• 481.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 21:58 pm

  @Dawn(Dawn)-478:

  It looks like you have been charged twice.

  Check your statement.

• 482.Dawn:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:01 pm

  New format sux. Sorry.

  ********************

• 483.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:01 pm

  must admit I prefer my fillys to have smaller perky arses…

• 484.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:02 pm

  Is the finger that was and is daily shown to the racist and neo-racist(the majoriity of this set of people) from day one an interpretation of a desire for seeking support among what amounts to fictitiousm cyber imbeciles?

  How continually delusional?

• 485.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:02 pm

  @grant10(grant10)-475: Me neither. Don’t really see any good reason to be getting my hopes up. Exactly the same way I felt in 2003…

• 486.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:05 pm

  @grant10(grant10)-483:

  Since when do you do fillies(note the spelling, Dodo).

  Is Dollie still “Indian” or has he progressed to “Saffa” by now?
  Are you still “Saffa” or are you Irish by now too.

• 487.Dawn:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:05 pm

  He said the bloggers here are around her like flies around a horse’s arse now he’s trying to obfuscate and justify it with Terence Millard.

  WTF

  ************ ********

• 488.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:06 pm

  Extra T*t is sooooooo boring.

• 489.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:09 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-486: Me?

  Saffa….based in CT….and proud my man….proud….

  Can you say the same?

• 490.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:10 pm

  @ET.(ET.)-486: spelling mot my strong piont….sorry…

• 491.Dawn:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:10 pm

  Anyhow we will take him apart at firearms tomorrow.

• 492.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:10 pm

  Look Keo, nice try but this is a rubbish App for the IPad

  I am going to start a small TV station where I will appear in a chav track suit and then dis your app

  Oh and by the way, get rid of ET from the site in 6 years no one has irritate all bloggers more than him

• 493.grant10:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:11 pm

  on that note….things to do…

  Night all…

  cheers ET…..go find some love my man….seriously…

• 494.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:12 pm

  if the Boks get kicked out who will you back Spoony G?

• 495.WP Till I Die:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:14 pm

  FOOLS! You do not worship at the ALTER of TRUTH as he does!

  You are all just PHILLYSTINES!

  You can lead a Philly to water but not make her DRINK!

  Neoracist reactionary TWATS!

• 496.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:21 pm

  @Transformation(Transformation)-494: I don’t back anyone other than the Boks.

• 497.Dawn:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:28 pm

  And YOU wptid are a HORSE’S ***

• 498.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:28 pm

  ag dont tell me my bunny has left the building?

  i did some research and found that et was a medic for apla and after a skirmish on the botswana border involving a donkey, a taxi, two bottles of brandy and a case of “liberated” durex he had to flee for his life chased by what he thought was an angry group of locals dressed in udf scarves.

• 499.WP Till I Die:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:35 pm

  Rangerman, good Lord man, are you telling me he was conducting deep penetration operations? How insidious!

• 500.Dawn:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:35 pm

  LIAR rangerman you pillager of the black man’s fish!

  He took some teargas in Athlone. Enough to make him sneeze.

  Once.

• 501.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:36 pm

  @Dawn(Dawn)-500: wasn’t that Langenhoven?

• 502.Dawn:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:40 pm

  His testicle is not big enough for deep penetration.

  That’s why he need Extra.

• 503.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:42 pm

  @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-499: he was a pioneer of the undercover movement, sadly no one else listened

  @Dawn(Dawn)-500: ah yes, as he was walking past on his way to invent the wheel.

  we owe him so much.

• 504.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:43 pm

  Juan Smith confirmed out of the RWC, what a blow for us

• 505.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:44 pm

  @Dawn(Dawn)-502: actually i had a crack there but i refuse to discuss another mans testes

• 506.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:45 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-504: seriously?

  where did you read that jl1?

• 507.Dawn:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:46 pm

  Langenhoven, testicle, two sides of the same sorry pseudo socialist mysoginist coin.

• 508.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:47 pm

  so far, out of the rustenburg 21, alberts, juan, bekker and schalk are confirmed walking wounded.

  so its down to 17 our kiwi pals.

• 509.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:49 pm

  add guthro who hasnt played in months and you are down to 16.

  now how many abs arent travelling?

  hmm.

  kiwi FARCE.

• 510.willievz:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:49 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-504: Massive blow. Our chances to defend the trophy just took a major hit.

• 511.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:52 pm

  Thankfully we have Alberts to take his place.

  Spies (if he keeps up his recent good form)
  Alberts
  Brussow

  is a very well balanced trio.

• 512.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:52 pm

  @rangerman(rangerman)-508: Announced on Sport24, now confirmed
  @willievz(willievz)-510: Nt yet the end of the world, but close, very close

  If John Smit sustains such a big injury then it is tickets for sure

• 513.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:53 pm

  @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-511: Yes, but Aberts is not Lapa Lips love child like Spies and Burger

• 514.PissAnt:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:54 pm

  Yup, it’s official, Juan Smith is out of the RWC.

• 515.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:55 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-512: that is terrible news.

  bekker and now juan?

  both big men who have wonderful skills.

  in fact, juan was my bok player of the tournament in 2007 rwc and is probably my favourite bok.

  very bad news.

• 516.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:57 pm

  if pdv insists on playing danie at 7 then we may as well not bother honestly.

  but in alberts and deysel we have capable replacements (no one can replace juan, let me make that clear right now)

• 517.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:57 pm

  @rangerman(rangerman)-515: That is one of the reason why our Boks cannot do all these Sper games plus Currie Cup plus Tri Nations

  They train and play in more contact situations than the ABs and the Wallabies
  SA Rugby players clock more miles on their bodies due to this

• 518.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:59 pm

  agreed, Danie Rossouw is no longer good enough for flank and in Mostert we have a better number 4 lock replacement anyway.

• 519.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 22:59 pm

  @rangerman(rangerman)-516: Neither Deysel nor Alberts provide Lapa Lip with a line out option, Alberts maybe, but Deysel not, and Deysel is one dimensional

  Alberts is good

• 520.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:00 pm

  @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-518: Mostert played 2 games

  1 he was good
  The second one we cannot judge, so I am baffled to understand what you base your comment on

• 521.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:01 pm

  Deysel is already in the Bok mix and will now no doubt be a squad member at RWC. He is very, very good as a blind side but I would def start with Fat Alberts at 7.

• 522.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:02 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-520: Because Dinosaur Rossouw is old and slow and has butterfingers, and Flippie is injured.

• 523.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:03 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-519: nah, deysel is a cracker and a tall bugger to boot but ja, alberts is a better lineout option.

  ja, the rustenburg camp was great, screw the anzacs.

• 524.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:05 pm

  @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-522: Mostert is not better at 4 than Danie, imo

• 525.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:06 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-520: danie looked disinterested overseas and lacklustre in sa.

  he is no longer a loosie but as a 4 option, maybe.

• 526.willievz:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:07 pm

  This changes everything.

  Such an important lineout option and impact at the collision. Impossible to replace IMO.

  I can see why Div has gone for Danie as a replacement, but I have my reservations about him at 7 like many bloggers here.

  However, in Juan’s confirmed absence, I will not start Alberts. I will use Alberts solely as an impact player because that is where he is adding the most value.

  The best man to start in the 7 jumper is now arguably Schalk.

  So Brussow, Schalk and Spies it is.

• 527.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:07 pm

  @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-521: So then we have a full team of fatties

  Phat Smit
  Phat Steyn
  Phat Alberts

  Now we just need Phat Ricky and watch them fight over the Krispy Kreem Donuts

• 528.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:08 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-524: its a little too late to be fiddling with 4 options imo.

  mostert is a rookie of a rookie and flip is not far better.

  i guess hargreaves will be on the plane if he recovers.

  very poor planning imo.

• 529.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:10 pm

  @rangerman(rangerman)-525: Yes at 4 as back up, what about Davon Raubenheimer, seems thatbhe has developed since the EOYT of a year or two ago?

  Elstad would also be a proper trench war soldier, play him at seven

• 530.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:11 pm

  Hargreaves has disappointed this season…

  Rossouw looked very disinterested. For a such a big guy he has always suffered from losing the ball in the tackle a little too often than should be expected. And last Saturday either Elsom or Pocock (can’t remember which) ran around him – can’t have a carthorse on the side of the scrum.

• 531.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:14 pm

  @willievz(willievz)-526: funnily enough that will be one helluva backrow, in fact it might just be the only way brussow is included as a starter since schalk would always have started at 6 had juan been fit.

  not a bad option for a griquas fan.

• 532.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:15 pm

  @rangerman(rangerman)-528: Yes and Hargreaves will not hurt a fly, big mistake

• 533.Transformation:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:17 pm

  andres iniesta you beaut!!!

  Hard luck Juan

• 534.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:17 pm

  @willievz(willievz)-526: …and that is what it will be

  Excellent trio!

  Chaser, fetcher, carrier, link all of the above

• 535.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:19 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-529: raubenheimer is playing fantastic rugby.

  how this guy hasnt stepped up to s15 is beyond me.

  elstadt is ok, a 7 i agree but i think it is a bit late to start talking wc for these guys.

  maybe davon as he has been in the mix, play him in the pool games?

• 536.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:20 pm

  Agreed on that trio Willie. Alberts as an impact player is arguably a better use of his skills.

  That’s if Schalk can be convinced to play 7…

• 537.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:20 pm

  @Transformation(Transformation)-533: dont bring those roundballers here when we are mourning for juan please.

• 538.ashampoopaloo:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:21 pm

  always somehow knew Juan weren’t gonna make it.. its actually a blessing in disguise.. his body was too over worked and its far better he don’t try stretch the extra mile in vain..

  Now what is necessary is for John Smit to see the reality writing ON THE WALL and QUIT before he sinks the team any further than he has already.

• 539.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:21 pm

  @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-536: schalk will play where the coach needs him.

  he is no prima donna.

• 540.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:22 pm

  football schmootball.

  roundball fagball.

• 541.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:22 pm

  @rangerman(rangerman)-539: oh really but we are told that’s why Luke left

• 542.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:24 pm

  @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-536: Lapa Lip will check with Schalks dad
  @Transformation(Transformation)-533: Sow some respect, Juan is 100 times a round ball player can only dream of being
  @rangerman(rangerman)-535: Yes, it is too late for trying things. Davon Raubenheimer is really good this year, not that he was not in the past

• 543.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:24 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-538: ho hum, here comes the mon key.

• 544.Slumtown:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:25 pm

  Damn that is a big blow. Definitely if PDV goes with Danie as the replacement 7 its going to be a huge balls up. Burger is probably the best replacement at the moment, Not sure about Alberts for a full 80- Deysel good backup to have but hasnt had enough big test game time to be thrown in the deep end at the WC. Dammit. Either way we have some big blokes just please not Danie ffs. Play him at 4 but nowhere else.

• 545.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:26 pm

  leave the bananas in the cupboard…

• 546.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:26 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-538: John Smit, blah blah blah blah blah, yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda

• 547.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:27 pm

  @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-541: who cares why he left?

  not me.

  i hope he is happy.

  @JL1(JL1)-542: davon has a lot of potential, man he is a powerful kid.

• 548.ashampoopaloo:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:27 pm

  Schalk is all show and not much substance.. Alberts far better, Deysel or Alberts before Schalk.. Schalk better as impact off bench.. If Schalk starts much like Smit starting… all show but little reward.

  Vermeulen is better than Schalk at 8 and Alberts or Deysel better than Schalk at 7, but 7 is still better position for Schalk than 6 or 8.

  Schalk and / or Spies off bench.

  8. Vermeulen / Spies
  7. Deysel / Alberts
  6. Brussow

  5. Matfield / Roussow
  4. Bakkies / Mostert

  3. Jannie / CJ
  2. Bismark / Chili / Strauss
  1. Beast / Greyling / Gurthro

• 549.ashampoopaloo:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:30 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-546: Seems you need to lose another 10 from 11 games before you ever see the light… how stupefied blind you still wanna be … yadda yadda hail hero worshiping imbecile

• 550.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:30 pm

  i think alberts will be great at 7 though.

  he is a monster and i think he was slightly overplayed by the sharks leading to a tapering off of his game over the last few months.

  he has had a rest now

• 551.Black Panther:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:33 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-527:

  that was quite funny for you, JL1

  ‘Krusty Kremes’ would have been the icing on the donut tho.

• 552.ashampoopaloo:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:33 pm

  Raubenheimer and Elstadt both better 7′s and better flanks full stop than Schalk

  If Schalk weren’t suspended in 09 Boks would have lost Lions series and perhaps the 3N too.
  Brussow won those games almost solo. Something Schalk could never do.

• 553.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:35 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-548: you talk kuk 2 but 2 is best for you but 3 is too much you see and 1 is the bs coming out your mouth, instead of your bum.

  shut it, the mannes eyes are glazing over already, you know, like when you are at a braai?

• 554.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:35 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-549: My commments on this blog will not change Lapa Lip and his stooges opinion on John Smit

  I do not have to drive the same point in, over and over and over

• 555.Black Panther:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:37 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-504:

  thats a Great shame, he is an immense player and 1 of the very best to come out of SA since isolation. A bitter blow for a superb player.

• 556.rangerman:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:38 pm

  ok, i am off.

  the kn obhead kiwi has arrived to bore you all to death and the baakieboy will make you wish you could not read.

  jl1, spooner and willie keep well guys.

  good chatting.

• 557.ashampoopaloo:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:38 pm

  @rangerman(rangerman)-553: You another f’ng hail hero worshiping imbecile that wanna see the Boks LOSE another 10 from 11 tests in succession.. your f’ng blue eyed Aura schmaura schmuck IMPOSTOR is sinking this ship faster than the Titanic

  @JL1(JL1)-554: and seems you can’t see EXACTLY where the wheels have been coming OFF the past 2 years and counting !! How blind these fools still wanna be forever into infinity.

• 558.ashampoopaloo:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:40 pm

  @rangerman(rangerman)-556: only knobhead here is schmucks like you who think the sun shines out yr prissy little arse

• 559.Slumtown:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:42 pm

  @rangerman(rangerman)-550: lets hope so and lets hope Danie falls out of favour

• 560.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:43 pm

  g’night from me, over to the wee hours shift.

• 561.Slumtown:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:45 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-558: ok man why dont you just ignore the people you dont like instead of going off endlessly. You waste a huge amount of time and energy on people you dont agree with and it really is pointless. Lets just stick to rugby shall we? Some people here still dont get it with John Smit. Theyre thick as bricks but youre not going to change their minds. I agree on John Smit I think he should go definitely.

• 562.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:46 pm

  @Black Panther(Black Panther)-551: Hey, I have another good one for you

  Kiwi meets the Saffa at a braai and says, “man, can I watch the game at your house and have some beers and braai.I promise I will not whine, nor appear to be a know it all,or show any signs of entitlement. I also promise that I will nt be a hypocrite or judgemental and we can talk some Rugga”

  Saffa replies:” Sounds great, you can have my best seat, have the jacuzzi, all our best Chablis and Champagne , I will pay you $10 000, and we will say nice things about you all the time, and sing the praises of your team non stop”

  Kiwi:”Now you are lying”

  Saffa:”You started the sht first”

• 563.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:48 pm

  @Black Panther(Black Panther)-555: He would start in any international side, hard, clean, and clever

• 564.Black Panther:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:49 pm

  @Dawn(Dawn)-456:

  a bit selective about that one, Peaches. You have sexist pieces of sh*t here like Whatever and Fern, to name but a few, but it seems that as long as the target is Kiwi women, then the abuse is acceptable.

  hmmmm ?

• 565.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:51 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-557: I agree, but I cannot change Lapa Lip and his selectors, Smit is a package, done and dusted
  @Slumtown(Slumtown)-561: Referring to me, by any chance, you deserve to be stuck in Slumtown

• 566.Black Panther:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:51 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-562:

  wheres the Joke then ?!

• 567.ashampoopaloo:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:53 pm

  @Slumtown(Slumtown)-561:

  they f’ng blind .. Smit is destroying this team from the roots up and these schmucks wanna keep repeating the same thing infinitely forever and still expect different results… absolute blind imbeciles the epitome of idiocy repeating the same garbage for 2 years solid and wondering WTF went wrong… went wrong… went wrong…. went wrong… and still going WRONG !!

  Get Smit GONE and the world is Boks oyster once again.. keep him ANYWHERE near this setup and he brings the entire bloody system DOWN !! Self righteous self seeking self centered lardass useless git.

• 568.Black Panther:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:54 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-563:

  He was amazing at Soweto last year considering it was a comeback game from injury. Clean player too, which made him stand out in the Bok pack.

  Yep, probably the best allround blindside flanker of the past decade – ballskills, mongrel, lineout and ticker. And loyal (the OFS) too. Cant ask for more than that.

• 569.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:56 pm

  @Black Panther(Black Panther)-566: Gimme a break, I am not a Bill Hicks, just busking my way through a blog

  Come on, not even one ha?

• 570.Slumtown:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:56 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-565: I wasnt being specific to anyone – and I grew up in Slumtown but most certainly dont live there anymore. Either way there are worse places in the world to live.

• 571.Black Panther:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:57 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-565:

  You appear to have issues with Class. Many of your putdowns (to me, and others) over the years relate to Class.

  why ?

• 572.Black Panther:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:57 pm

  @JL1(JL1)-569:

  it was lacking in Class.

• 573.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:58 pm

  @Black Panther(Black Panther)-568: He will be back, he reminds me a lot of another number 7, Andre Venter

  In NZ they would have played 6?

• 574.wooden spoon:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:58 pm

  Relax Joel we get the message. You just need one scapegoat I guess huh, and Jake White is out of the loop so you have chosen his captain… and JW’s other favourites Burger and FDP.

  We get the message Joel.

• 575.JL1:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:58 pm

  @Slumtown(Slumtown)-570: Yes, King Williams Town

• 576.Slumtown:
  17 Aug 2011, 23:58 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-567: lol self centered lard *** git. Well put hehe. He is utterly selfish and by always pretending to be the perfect high school head boy he shows that he is anything but. i have an instinctive mistrust for anyone who pretends to be utterly beyond reproach. Just like Hansie. brrr gives me the shivers. I prefer honesty thanks and John Smit is anything but.

• 577.wooden spoon:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:00 am

  @Black Panther(Black Panther)-568: “He was amazing at Soweto last year considering it was a comeback game from injury. Clean player too, which made him stand out in the Bok pack.

  That is the mother of all insinuations.

  Some would call it a whine.

• 578.Slumtown:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:00 am

  @Black Panther(Black Panther)-571: well said mate I was just at the receiving end of one.

• 579.Slumtown:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:01 am

  @JL1(JL1)-575: so where do you live thats so much better? Cape Town I guess?

• 580.JL1:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:01 am

  @Black Panther(Black Panther)-571: Maybe I am Classist, Dr PHil

  What do you think?

• 581.JL1:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:01 am

  @Slumtown(Slumtown)-579: London, on the Thames

• 582.wooden spoon:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:02 am

  G’night for real this time. The company has suddenly soured.

  nc nc nc

• 583.ashampoopaloo:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:03 am

  @JL1(JL1)-581: shithole of all shitholes and people think its Nirvana

• 584.Black Panther:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:03 am

  @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-577:

  Insinuation ?!

  inSINuation ?!?

  Spooner, I was insinuating nada.

  Did you convince yourself that posting words in BOLD was required to bring clarity ?

• 585.JL1:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:03 am

  @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-577: He has issues with cleanliness, OCD! Shh!

• 586.ashampoopaloo:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:04 am

  @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-582: get lost up yr fancy pants arse and stay lost .. barrister boy

• 587.JL1:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:06 am

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-583: Hey, not been hi jacked in 10 years,

  Nice little enclave here where I live

• 588.ashampoopaloo:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:07 am

  @Slumtown(Slumtown)-576:

  Strange how so many people get fooled by this squeaky f’ng clean bullshitter bar none… and the players in the team KNOW IT.. watch them bust a gut when he’s not playing and when the f’ng lardass comes on its ALL f’ng FALLS DOWN AGAIN.

  Self centered piece of lardass trash.. thats this squeaky clean Mr. Bigger than the game cancerous aura in the f’ng cauldron goon

• 589.ashampoopaloo:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:09 am

  @JL1(JL1)-587: where about you live.. Kingston or Chelsea

  how were the Bahamas .. pretty girls over there .. no ?? beauties all over the Caribbean

• 590.Black Panther:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:09 am

  @JL1(JL1)-580:

  No. Anyone who regularly refers to others as “living in Councils…slumtowns…under bridges” is living in an Ivory Tower.

  Presumably you merely regard yourself as better than the Average Man, a fact your ego allows you to assume about others, other people that are faceless nameless bloggers.

  Lose the Class trip, its totally lacking in class.

• 591.Slumtown:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:10 am

  @JL1(JL1)-581: Gotta agree with Skop London aint a great place to grow old. I´m outside Barcelona on the Costa Brava – not because I abandoned Sa Skop but because my wife is from here.

• 592.Black Panther:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:11 am

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-583:

  The Greatest City in the World, no less.

• 593.Black Panther:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:13 am

  @Slumtown(Slumtown)-591:

  lucky you. Am a big fan of the Costa Brava. Wonderful golf courses (PGA & Emporda being some of my favourites). And that stretch north up to Cadaques is just magic.

• 594.JL1:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:14 am

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-589: Went to Barbados, stunning part of the world

  Good music, good food, friendy people, the Island has got a heart beat
  @Black Panther(Black Panther)-590: You still hurt about my comment way back?

  OK, I apologise for those references as well
  @Slumtown(Slumtown)-591: That is way better than Slummies. Do you know people from Selborne?

• 595.ashampoopaloo:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:17 am

  @Black Panther(Black Panther)-592:

  I lived there once too knew it like the back of my hand …from east to west and back again…. nice place .. exciting city.. but not a place to settle down

• 596.Black Panther:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:18 am

  @JL1(JL1)-594:

  Dont flatter yourself.

  Looking down your nose at anonymous bloggers hardly seems a becoming attribute.

  But, this IS our version of ‘Peace’, no ?

• 597.Slumtown:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:19 am

  @JL1(JL1)-594: a few but I havent been living there for over 20 years now. Spent almost 10 years between Joburg and Cape Town.

• 598.Slumtown:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:21 am

  @Black Panther(Black Panther)-593: Yeah dont know much about golf myself though we know someone who used ot be in charge of pr for the golf club in Pals. Costa Brava is beautiful. The beaches are simply amazing and I can swim 50m without fear of being munched by a Great White. Spain is a beautiful country but has its own issues. I miss the people back home a lot. For all our flaws as Saffas we are pretty friendly and welcoming people with a good sense of humour.

• 599.JL1:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:22 am

  @Black Panther(Black Panther)-596: I will have get to securities council to check that.

  Please do not feel that I look down at you at all, as I said before, “sorry”

• 600.ashampoopaloo:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:22 am

  @JL1(JL1)-594: musta been great.. if I went there I’d fall in love 1000 times a day. Better I stay put here in Vishoek where the tannies change there false teeth in the morning before they hit the streets.

• 601.Black Panther:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:23 am

  @JL1(JL1)-594:

  talking Selbourne, I saw a nice cameo on schoolboy rugby leading in to the PE Test this w/e. It was a 1st XV match between visitors, Selbourne, and Greys High. Apparently the Founder of Greys is the same guy who founded Auckland Grammar (has produced more ABs than any other school in NZ). Crikey, a couple of the Selbourne boys made Kobus Wiese look like a deflated balloon. Great crowd shots of the supporters, passionate chants etc.

  Nice.

• 602.JL1:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:23 am

  @Slumtown(Slumtown)-598: Did you see the Shark attack in the Seychelles horrible!

• 603.JL1:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:25 am

  @Black Panther(Black Panther)-601: Grey College In BLoemfontein? Or Grey in Port Elizabeth

  Those boys are all using something, all chasing the pro contracts

• 604.Black Panther:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:25 am

  @JL1(JL1)-599:

  You have nothing on this thread to apologise to me about whatsoever. Just making a general observation of a reoccurring trend.

• 605.Slumtown:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:27 am

  Hey were all having a conversation!!! Much better than the bickering. Now lets just agree John Smit is a pile of poop lol. Seriously though John cant be blamed for the whole downfall. There are a lot of culprits. Habana has to take a long hard look at himself too. Another one in total denial. My main problem is we have picked a team based on past glories and form and in some cases that form has been absent for more than 2 years now. A real pity we lost 2 of the in form and better Boks. Selections are going to be crucial. Danie in fro Juan Smith will be just as fatal. Danie is really slow lately and shuldnt play anywhere but 4.

• 606.Black Panther:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:28 am

  @JL1(JL1)-603:

  Grey in PE. looked like they had fairly decent facilities. I presume its fairly close to Selbourne – they had hundreds of supporters in the stand. Presumably a boarding school, then.

  Seriously, this 1 guy looked totally out of place. Ive played against Kelston Boys (they had wingers bigger than me, a TH-lock) and Western Heights (heavier frontrow than ABs in my senior year) and I have NEVER seen a player as big and physically developed as this 1 Selbourne player.

• 607.ashampoopaloo:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:28 am

  @Slumtown(Slumtown)-591: so you married a Spanish signorita … well done.. heard nice things about Spain though I spent plenty time in Italy and Greece somehow never got to Spain.

• 608.Slumtown:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:29 am

  @JL1(JL1)-602: Yeah hectic man. On honeymoon nogal. Crikey. Its really is scary swimming in the ocean. Everytime you go out no matter how safe you take a risk.

• 609.JL1:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:32 am

  @Slumtown(Slumtown)-605: Allis falling flat because our props are plying their trade in France, now we have no tight heads

  Look I am no John Smit cheerleader,I just know that it is too late to change

  JDV, Habana, FDP, Morne, Matfield, they all owe us big games

• 610.Slumtown:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:32 am

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-607: Yeah man firey! Spanish woman are gorgeous but a lot of them arent so hot when they open their mouths lol. But definitely very hot women here. Spain is cool pretty laidback and they love their holidays, family orientated but there are other issues and most people are well ignorant of world matters, politics and culture. Salaries are low, people try and scam you at every turn and bend and in Barcelona people are hugely unfriendly and self centered. Also Barcelona is a very ugly city apart from the Gaudi buildings and main thoroughfares. Smelly too. Nothing green to be seen in town and all parks (almost) are gravel and no grass.

• 611.JL1:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:35 am

  @Black Panther(Black Panther)-606: Grey PE is good, but not like the one in Bloemfontein

  Selborne College is a great school, I played for their Old Boys club rugby, when I lived for a short time in Slumtown

• 612.JL1:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:36 am

  Anyhow, outta here

• 613.Transformation:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:36 am

  talk at the pub last week was that the Selborne pack weighs in at 840kg, they drew their match with Grey bloem this year and last i checked were ranked 2 in the country. They have a very good team this year

• 614.JL1:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:38 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-613: Wt??840kgs fr a school team?

  Now outta here

• 615.Slumtown:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:38 am

  @JL1(JL1)-609: Yeah I´d just be happy if some of them just did a few things differently – JDV – dont always crash the ball up and try and find space and offload. The backs need the ball – no wonder there is no attack. Habana – stay in your channel and dont rush up for intercepts. McCabe scored his try cos Habana was nowhere near his wing. He needs to also work on ball handling skills. i think he has some major eye hand co-ord issues. FDP – stop soliciting the ref, and stop the aimless boxkixking. Morne – damn – he needs to tackle and try attacking sometime, Stand flatter. Matfield – cant complain too much – old Vic has slowed somewhat – maybe just stay out the backline. Smit – too slow, too weak in scrum as a prop (not his fault), lacks fitness and makes some daft decisions sometimes. Just not up to scratch in general. No need to change – Vic captains – no worries about subbing him off and having to move Beast to lock and play Bismarck as no 1 hooker and Chilli or Strauss as backup. No hiccups, no problems no nothing – just pure efficiency.

• 616.Slumtown:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:39 am

  @JL1(JL1)-611: aha bust! hehe

• 617.Black Panther:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:42 am

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-595:

  Skop

  London is THE place to be when youre 30 – 40. So much going on. So many job opportunities. So many wonderful people (and so many cr@p people). So many different cultures. Nah, I cant say anything bad about the place.

  Its cr@p for kids tho. Not wholly bad, just not where you want them growing up.

  Since returning to NZ (and no, Charo, NZ is not perfect/nirvana/heaven….it doesnt even have the best waves, can you farken believe it ?!) Ive realised how truly cr@p it was for kids. My kids now RUN in to school. They love their teachers. They have 20 mins ‘boot camp’ before classes even start, such a healthy attitude to learning. They mix with a far wider cosmopolitan mix too than London where the cultural mix depends on what part of town they live in (eg 2 blacks kids out of a class of 30 in London……in NZ its 30-40% white, others being Maori/Poly/Chinese/African/Scandis + 1 wee Safa !).

  Certainly me and the Mrs will take longer to adapt to the pace of life in NZ, it seems half-asleep at times. But the move south was all about the kids and, in that respect, its been a winner. So far…

• 618.Black Panther:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:45 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-613:

  well one of their players must have accounted for half of that. He was mobile too, a beast.

• 619.ashampoopaloo:
  18 Aug 2011, 00:55 am

  @Black Panther(Black Panther)-617:

  yip London is for yuppies that want to feel the ‘buzz’ but thats all it got – that big metropolitan mind banging buzz

  NZ or Cape Town or anywhere that is more natural is far better place to bring up a family I would suggest.

  I liked London a lot I was very at ‘home’ there .. got along well with the people and all the experience of the place.. but it wouldn’t have been a place for a long term settling in… much too closed in and not very healthy from a natural ‘living – breathing’ perspective.

• 620.Black Panther:
  18 Aug 2011, 02:39 am

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-619:

  That reads like ‘London Zone 1′ to me. head out in to the ‘burbs and, actually, you can have a life that is not tooooo far from ‘home’. We lived in Chiswick, Zone 2, and we had 2-3 fantastic parks within 5mins. It was easy to get out of town from there too.

  I cant compare a CT but I know that here in Auckland somethings are healthier (food, lifestyle) whilst others are not (professionally). Depends what youre after but my kids seem to be overwhelmed with happiness. Tomorrow my daughter picks up a kitten for her bday (we refused to have pets in Lndn) and we then visit her Godfathers farm in Waikato to help with some calving whilst my boys go eel’ing in the creek. No wonder theyre happy.

  But I cant say too much bad about London, altho all I can say is that the riots werent toooo much of shock….(esp those teenage b*tches on the bus in Hammersmith, make the hoodie scum seem like Social Workers).

• 621.whatever:
  18 Aug 2011, 02:58 am

  @Black Panther(Black Panther)-606:

  Grey High is from Port Elizabeth, Selborne College is from East London. A couple of hundred km’s seperate the two cities

• 622.Black Panther:
  18 Aug 2011, 03:09 am

  @whatever(whatever)-621:

  Dont even bother, SCUM. Id rather don a Bok jersey til eternity and talk Rugby with Beelzebub himself than even give you the merest suggestion of human respect through conversation here.

  capische ?

  U piece of scum trash littering my country.

• 623.whatever:
  18 Aug 2011, 04:31 am

  Use it, don’t use it, just putting info on the table you racist, brownnosing knowall doos!

  No skin off my nose . Capishe?

  Twat!