KeoTV: Invest in Lambie

KeoTV: Invest in Lambie

17 Aug 2011

MARK KEOHANE says Pat Lambie is the future of South African rugby and must stop being messed around by his coaches.


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  • 251.LightZone: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 12:51 pm

    @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-241: When I look at the support for our top national teams (rugby, cricket, football) I also see that we have pride in our flag and country. When I see how Saffers overseas embrace our flag and long for messages from home shows that we do have pride.

  • 252.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 12:54 pm

    @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-248:
    technical assistants/consultant types could be any number of possibles, like naka, white, jones, os, ac, mallet, ludeke…even a few kiwis post this wc (but i dont trust they will give their all when we go against nz)…

  • 253.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 12:56 pm

    @bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-13:

    Agh for fcksakes with that 50 number you have been putting up in terms of bloodying players.

    How many has Deans played at Test level that havent amounted to much and OZ A etc? Here are some:

    Huia Edmonds
    Damien Fitzpatrick
    Tatafu Polota-Nau
    Pekahau Cowan
    James Slipper
    Laurie Weeks
    Mitchell Chapman
    Mark Chisholm
    Kane Douglas
    Rob Simmons
    Matt Hodgson
    Ben McCalman
    Pat McCutcheon
    Stephen Hoiles
    Luke Burgess
    Josh Valentine
    Berrick Barnes
    Will Chambers
    Anthony Faingaa
    Nick Cummins
    Peter Hynes
    Lachlan Turner
    Rob Horne
    Dean Mumm
    Sitileki Timani
    Scott Higginbotham
    Greg Holmes
    Beau Robinson
    Josh Holmes
    Nick Phibbs
    Leeroy Houston
    Richard Brown
    Sam Wykes
    Timana Tahu
    Van Humpries
    Peter Kimlin
    Julian Salvi
    Ben Lucas
    Ben Carraro
    Tyrone Smith
    Sam-Norton Knight
    Francis Fainafo
    Poutasi Laufutu
    Ben Daley
    Luke Morahan
    Rod Davies
    Dave Dennis
    Richard Kingi
    Matt Toomua
    Nathan Charles
    Brackin Karauria-Henry
    Pat O’Connor
    Pat McCabe

    Thats not even all of them…….

    How many sparkling talents/well managed stars in that list that have gone on the set rugby union alight???

    Chill

  • 254.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 12:57 pm

    @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-253:

    Blooded players accross the board from Wallabies to Aussie A in Deans era

  • 255.LightZone: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 12:58 pm

    @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-248: You’re looking at the personality and not the coach as a position. If the coaching team shares a philosophy and is competent then it is easier to work towards a goal. When a team is thrust upon a leader it is very difficult if their modus operandi is different. As coach knowing the buck stops with me I would want to choose my own team. We thus have this unaccountability issue with nobody understanding who the leader should be in the first place.

  • 256.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:08 pm

    @ufo(ufo)-250:
    yes, this is my point exactly.
    i think we’re in agreement on this. pdaddy does not command enough respect as a coach to attract top class assistants, other than for the money.

    ddick and gary are a bit of all the above in that they do want the money, probably dont think highly of pdaddy, have some personal pride and integrity in regards the boks losing and their part in that as well their failing personally, are not the best in their field for some time now and havn’t fixed that..and so on…

    why should they leave if saru wont make their boss fire them and their boss cannot replace them anyway because nobody wants to work for him (as he himself found out the hard way)?…

    we just have ride it out and hope post wc will be a time for reason.

  • 257.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:14 pm

    @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-253: wait for the stats…

  • 258.LightZone: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:17 pm

    @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-256: You have the wrong boss. SARU is the boss and not the coach (any Springbok coach). He is the fall guy.

  • 259.Atreides: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:19 pm

    @grant10(grant10)-208: I shudder to think what team Div would field if it weren’t for Smit and Matfield helping him out lol…

  • 260.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:21 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-257:

    maphi amaStats???uDeans is still sitting around 50 something %

  • 261.Desmond_Tiete: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:27 pm

    Well PDV always was a :

    Rose,
    Eal Tollie,
    Lobberts
    January

    fan … so yes, we could’ve been in deeper k@k

  • 262.Helen: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:28 pm

    If we want a strongly managed team after RWC 2011, the we better have a solid coaching staff:

    Manager: Bob / Francois P / Owen Nkumane
    Head: Mallet
    Asst: Rassie
    Forwrds: Heyneke
    Back: Fleck / B Venter / Coetzee
    Media: Derek Alberts / Xola Ntsinga

    and then get Tim Noakes on a retainer to manage our players better.

    Give those guys a contract until 2015 with win bonuses and a pay-back clause if they don’t achieve as planned.

    Sadly, not much space for a quota appointment, but would consider Sauls or Coetzee or Treu in some capacity

  • 263.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:32 pm

    @LightZone(LightZone)-255:

    who would choose to work with pdiddy, honestly, for reasons other than money? (i’m pretty sure an initial sense of patriotism and duty is what swung his two assistants to take the job but also the paycheck was a sweetener).
    who would even remotely share pdiddy’s vision and philosophy (dont think he has much to speak of, and no…play whats in front of you does not equate to a ‘vision’ or a ‘philosophy’)?

    would you, if you had the opportunity to be an ‘assistant’ align yourself with someone who clearly is way over his head and out of his depth?
    would you feel good about yourself if the sports team and/or as examples (company/country/family/army) failed because of reasons regarding the competency of your boss/leader?
    would you just continue to take the money and absolve yourself of blame?

    do you in your personal life willing submit yourself to work for lesser men and in so doing end up swallowing some pride and integrity?

    i should add that in all probability pdiddy had his assistants thrust upon him because his employers never had complete faith in him to begin with (i’m really asking this as a question?).
    if not that then it was for reasons of colour (what else could it be otherwise).
    or perhaps he had difficulty finding people willing to risk working under him from the start and he enlisted his employers help with this?

    so many questions….

  • 264.Ethel: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:35 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-262:

    :shock:

    Are you the no 3 in the ladies bok team?

  • 265.Helen: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:38 pm

    @Ethel(Ethel)-264: Are you the gal that kick starts the A380 at ORT in the mornings?

  • 266.Ethel: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:41 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-265:

    Don’t answer a question with a question. Het djou ma djou nie geleer nie?

  • 267.Helen: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:44 pm

    @Ethel(Ethel)-266:
    Ethel, is that a dress you’re wearing or are you hiding from me behind the curtains?

    Stick to rugby. If that is not possible, try chatting up another girl, one with square boobs as you aluded to yesterday. This one is really not in the mood for you.

  • 268.Ethel: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:44 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-265:

    I’m the gal who flies the A380. It flies in, in the mornings and out in the evenings. Get you facts straight.

  • 269.Helen: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:44 pm

    @Ethel(Ethel)-264:

    No.

    Now go away

  • 270.Inevitable: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:46 pm

    @justrugby(justrugby)-67:

    Very few people would disagree with you that many of the Boks are over the hill.

    That, together with abysmal coaching is responsible for the decline in Springbok rugby. Unfortunately, things are not going to improve much while your game is run by people not committed to the Springbok ethos of yesteryear.

    When every test played is contested like a life or death struggle, then and then only will things change for the better. Rugby is a game of heart and passion and the players are dancing to the tune of their paymasters who obviously don’t have either the ability or the interests of the game at heart.

  • 271.Ethel: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:46 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-267:

    OK. Give me your best Ladies Bokkie team and the areas you think they should improve in.

  • 272.logie_Jumpbuck: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:48 pm

    Keo,

    Regarding your TV snippets/cameos, I think i have an idea for you.

    I just opened one of your clips (Lambie) and accidentilly had itunes on in the backround, song playing was ‘it’s all been done’ by barenaked ladies. I only realised halfway through your clip why this one was so good!

    It was the damn song in the background buddy!

  • 273.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:48 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-262:
    dont think mallet will ever be alowed to coach the boks again.
    not sure if heyneke wuold be prepared to work under him, or rassie for that matter.
    agreed on the rest, mostly.
    they could get all sorts of specialists in to work with the team much like woodward and white did. so yeah, noakes, nienaber, calder come to mind but theres probably a zillion other aspects that could be worked on by specialists.

  • 274.LightZone: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:50 pm

    @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-263: “do you in your personal life willing submit yourself to work for lesser men and in so doing end up swallowing some pride and integrity?”
    We don’t know each other so even to pose this as rhetorical is not legitimate.

    “i should add that in all probability pdiddy had his assistants thrust upon him because his employers never had complete faith in him to begin with (i’m really asking this as a question?).”
    SARU changed their policy after JW chose his team and seemed to have too much power. It was never a question whether PDV could choose his team or not. I’m saying that a coach (any coach) SHOULD pick his own team. If the accountability of the coach is secure then there is no doubt who has to choose and your boss (SARU) has the right to terminate the team provided there is a performance clause.

    “if not that then it was for reasons of colour (what else could it be otherwise).”
    I shudder to think. Our country should move away from this type of thinking. It was stated that he was picked for reasons other than rugby. What those reasons were have never been cleared and therein lies the cause of this whole sorry mess. Communication, personality, succession, lower salary…all of this COULD have been taken into account. I’m not so naive to suggest those WERE the reasons just illustrating there could be many more reasons other than colour.

    Fact of the matter is that he’s no worse than JW at a similar stage. The difference is that JW was (is?) an arrogant man and the SA psyche enjoys that in a leader.

  • 275.Atreides: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:50 pm

    @Ethel(Ethel)-271: You two need to get a room. All this ladywood in the air….

  • 276.Helen: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:50 pm

    @Ethel(Ethel)-271:

    Helen, I am really not interetsed…
    Maybe try chatting up someone of your own size, like Algeria or Coenie Oosthuizen

  • 277.Eish: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:51 pm

    Cat fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 278.Helen: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:53 pm

    @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-273:

    We’ve had some great head coaches in the past, Mallet, McIntosh, even Viljoen and Jake…. but what trips us up is that they are allowed to pick their chommies as assistants, so end up having a bunch of yes-men around them.

    As much as I see the value of picking your own assistants, SARU can plan some continuity and accountability by picking the assistants professionally

  • 279.Helen: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:53 pm

    @Atreides(Atreides)-275:

    Or in Ethel’s case, a hall

  • 280.LightZone: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:54 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-262: Brendan Venter seems to be a good bet for coach, judging from the noises he makes. We need to have a coach that is responsible and accountable for everything surrounding a team. Think about an Alex Ferguson-type manager. The buck stops there.

  • 281.Helen: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:55 pm

    @Eish(Eish)-277:

    Not really, more like a cat vs a hairy, afghan, swamp donkey!

  • 282.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:56 pm

    If we want a strongly managed team after RWC 2011, the we better have a solid coaching staff:
    Manager: Bob / Francois P / Owen Nkumane

    whooaaah.

    hold it right there helly belly.

    let’s all just dry our eyes for a moment.

  • 283.Helen: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 13:58 pm

    @LightZone(LightZone)-280:

    I just wonder if we rather pick a manager first and then pick coaches…

    Top coaches, like Fergie, are great leaders… not necessarily the best coaches, just strong leaders who can formulate and communicate a vision and make the tough choices when they’re needed.

    To expect someone like PDivvy to be a manager and leader of our most successful sporting team, is unfair on the man

  • 284.Atreides: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:00 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-281: What kind of a cat… ? :)

  • 285.LightZone: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:01 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-283: Absolutely Helen. We need a leader like no other. At this top level we don’t have to coach skills any longer; that should be done at lower levels. We need strategists. Harry Viljoen and Carel du Plessis tried but they were not given enough time. In Harry’s case maybe he was out of his league but surely Carel had the right trend and Mallett picked up where he started.

  • 286.RL: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:04 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-262: WTH … AC as backline coach hahaha.

  • 287.Atreides: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:04 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-282: Francois maybe… not the other two!

  • 288.Desmond_Tiete: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:05 pm

    make Nelson mandella the coach! me mos won us the 1995 RWC – according to Clint Eastwood atleast

  • 289.Helen: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:06 pm

    @Atreides(Atreides)-284:

    Those hairless ones

  • 290.Ethel: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:07 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-289:

    Hollywoods or Brazilians.

  • 291.Atreides: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:08 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-289: A hairless kitty. Hmm now there’s an image…somewhat spoiled by the contrasting afghan swamnp donkey image tho

  • 292.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:09 pm

    @Atreides(Atreides)-287:

    Frankie?

    the “I”-specialist?

    no boet.

  • 293.LightZone: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:09 pm

    Perfect combination:
    Nick Mallett
    Carel du Plessis
    Gert Smal
    Wynand Claassen manager

    That would be no-nonsense running rugby with forward dominance and a man who knows Springbok rugby to instil it into the players.

  • 294.LightZone: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:10 pm

    @LightZone(LightZone)-293: It’s just a dream folks so allow me some latitude.

  • 295.Atreides: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:10 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-292: I heard somewhere he’s a good man manager

  • 296.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:13 pm

    @Atreides(Atreides)-295:

    we will agree to disagree.

  • 297.Ethel: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:13 pm

    @LightZone(LightZone)-293:

    And you AA choice? The baggage handler doesn’t count.

  • 298.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:13 pm

    @LightZone(LightZone)-274:
    forgive me if the personal life question offended you, i meant none.

    do you honestly believe saru changed their policies regarding the coaches authority solely because of jake and less so because of pdiv, if at all?

    as stated he was picked for reasons other than rugby alone. in this country, given our history, are you honestly prepared to ‘make believe’ those reasons could be on account of a host of things and not colour?
    with all due respect, i think that would be naive.

    its true that he’s no worse of better than jw was at a similar stage.
    i disagree on the difference being arrogance alone…jw is far more intelligent than pdv is and was in fact (in large part due to the arrogance you mention) running his own ship. i cant say the same for pdv (lets face it he’s not).

    lets agree the sa psyche enjoys arrogance and intelligence in a leader more than they do just arrogance.

  • 299.Atreides: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:14 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-296: hehe have no idea, second hand information…

  • 300.Helen: Reply to this comment
    17 Aug 2011, 14:18 pm

    Mitchell is also in the mix….

    How about Clive Woodward as manager?/!!

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