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• 301.stormersboy:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:18 pm

  Lambie is SPARTA!

  

• 302.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:19 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-278:
  would you say that teddy-g has a bunch of yes men around him? given that he got to pick his assistants?

  i’m inclined to beileve a head coach should pick his own assistants but, yes saru could aid the coach by introducing a process for professionally apointing them.

• 303.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:19 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-297:

  Ethel, you can be baggage handler…. maybe we can also save a bus fares, you can just carry the team to the stadium

• 304.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:19 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-298: No offence taken just made a statement. They did change the policy before they appointed a coach. Not only JW but the previous coaches as well. I stated I’m not naive to think it’s not colour but saying there can be other reasons as well. Colour in itself does not make a coach competent or incompetent.
  I’m not sure that Jake is far more intelligent but I do know he’s more articulate in English and rubbish in Afrikaans and vice versa with PDiv.
  It’s my experience that arrogance wins over intelligence. BS baffles….as the saying goes.

• 305.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:20 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-301: and here i thought he was a sharkie????

• 306.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:21 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-301:

  Hellloooooo sweetie!

• 307.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:21 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-304: JW however is far educated however ,

• 308.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:22 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-302: Who is Teddy G? a rapper?

• 309.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:22 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-303:

  Do I intimidate you that much?

• 310.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:23 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-282:
  stop your killing me….

• 311.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:23 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-297: Don’t be silly girl. Results is the key. Like we had with Pitso in the SWC we can appoint a coach who will be developed to take over after five years!

• 312.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:24 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-306:

• 313.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:24 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-306:

  This is a rugby blog site – not a pick up site. You give us girls a bad name.

• 314.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:24 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-309:

  Yes, you do. Since ‘the incident’ I have always had an irrational fear of those who live in trailers and clean their ears with another woman’s bakkie keys

• 315.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:25 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-307: Higher education does not mean higher intelligence. Einstein was a high school dropout. I’m not debating the intelligence or education of one above the other.

• 316.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:25 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-300:
  with all due respect…FFUCKK joh mitchell!
  yes to woodward.

  @Helen(Helen)-308:
  graham henry.

• 317.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:26 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-313:

  “us girls” ? Really Ethel? Really?

• 318.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:27 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-315: thus i dont worry to much about the intelligence part , as none of us know that side of the 2 , however their jobs and knowledge depends on the education they had regarding the standards needed ,and no doubt who tops that one

• 319.Gunther:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:31 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-301:

  Hi sweetie.

  How was gym?

  

• 320.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:31 pm

  Did anyone see Helen running the touchline during the SA Academy – France game on Saturday?

• 321.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:32 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-319:

  

• 322.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:33 pm

  Maybe our mistake is to appoint coaches for 4 years.
  We get a manager with solid rugby pedigree. Someone who decides the general direction of the team and strategy… and then the manager picks or keeps a coaching team every year, based on performance.

  The manager brings the continuity, but at least we then have options around coaching.

  Then a manager/leader like Francois Pienaar becomes a real option

• 323.we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise...:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:34 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-304:
  @LightZone(LightZone)-315:

  i guess this is the point where we ‘agree to disagree’ with one another.

  are you saying the divot is more intelligent but less arrogant than jw?
  i’d say he’s pretty arrogant himself (right up there with the best of them) and in no way equally or more intelligent than jw is (but thats just my opinion, hey).

  can we at least agree that jw trully did indeed run his own ship and that pdv does not, to any similar extent at least. (however, if this is the case then you wonder if he tolerates this only because he’s not soooo arrogant or because he’s not soooo intelligent).

• 324.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:35 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-322:

  Stop reading Mills and Boon – it is destroying your logic.

• 325.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:38 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-324:

  Ethel, how much do you weigh? just an estimate, nearest metric tonne…

• 326.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:44 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-318: That’s true. Other than them both being teachers; Jake from JCE and PDV from Hewat I don’t know their education. Could you shed some light?

• 327.Ethel:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:45 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-325:

  With or without my ten carat diamond ring?

• 328.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:46 pm

  Sharks Seek Home Dominance
  17 August 2011 (14:19) – The Sharks will be looking to retain their unbeaten home record when they host the Leopards at Mr Price KINGS PARK on Friday evening in an exciting Absa Currie Cup clash.
  Both sides generally look to play attractive, attacking rugby, and if the weather, which has cleared dramatically after a cold snap early in the week, remains good, there is no reason why an exciting game won’t be on display for fans.

  In team changes from last week, John Plumtree has given some of his hard-working players a break while looking to retain much of the continuity that has taken them to second place on the log.

  The loss of Lwazi Mvovo and Patrick Lambie to the Springboks this week has opened doors, with Sibusiso Sithole returning to the starting line-up and a new-look centre partnership being established.

  “I’m giving Stefan Terblanche a bit of a break to give Meyer Bosman and Marius Joubert the opportunity to work together, I’d like to see what they can show me as a partnership as well as individually,” The Sharks coach explains.

  Keegan Daniel will play off the bench this weekend which opens the door for Jacques Botes to start, where he takes over the captaincy from the flank. “Keegan will take a break, he has a bit of wear and tear, but he’ll come off the bench later in the game, but I want to give him a little less time on the field this week.”

  Conrad Hoffman will get a start this weekend to partner Freddie Michalak, “it’s an opportunity to see what he can do after a long lay-off, he’s keen to show me what he’s capable of” says Plumtree.

  The final change to the starting line-up sees Wiehahn Herbst start for Eugene van Staden at tighthead prop with Alistair Hargreaves coming into the team for the first time in the current campaign.

  “The Leopards have conceded a few points this year, but they’ve also scored a few, so they have plenty of attacking threats and will come here with an attitude of wanting to attack and put on a good show. Defensively, we’re going to have to be really up for it.

  “Our defence was good against Western Province, but it was easier in the rain. Hopefully there won’t be any on Friday. They will look to stress us and we have to make sure defensively we’re on target – defence is a big focus for us this weekend.”

  The Sharks

  15. Louis Ludik
  14. Odwa Ndungane
  13. Marius Joubert
  12. Meyer Bosman
  11. Sibusiso Sithole
  10. Frederic Michalak
  9. Conrad Hoffmann
  8. Ryan Kankowski
  7. Marcell Coetzee
  6. Jacques ( C ) Botes
  5. Ross Skeate
  4. Anton Bresler
  3. Wiehahn Herbst
  2. Craig Burden
  1. Dale Chadwick

  Replacements
  16. Kyle Cooper
  17. Eugene van Staden
  18. Alistair Hargreaves
  19. Keegan Daniel
  20. Charl McLeod
  21. Adrian Jacobs
  22. Stefan Terblanche

• 329.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:51 pm

  @Ethel(Ethel)-327:

  Your ring is certainly not made of diamonds…. I won’t be surprised if it is encrusted, but certainly not with diamonds.

• 330.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:52 pm

  @we have it on good authority that on september 11, a legend will rise…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-323: No. I say I don’t know the intelligence of either. I have not seen any IQ test results from either of them. I’m saying their articulation is different and their personalities seem to be different.
  SARU gave JW an enabling environment to “run his own ship” and they did not do so with the next coach (who happens to be our man PDV).
  I can see that they both maintain the same stubbornness, where the one seems more arrogant than the other. The difference is in the way they communicate with their external stakeholders (meaning us, the fans).

• 331.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:53 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-326: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_White

  It does not however say too much about his normal education

• 332.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:55 pm

  By Andy Colquhoun in Paris12:01AM BST 18 Oct 2007Comment
  After four years in the mincer that is South African rugby politics it is arguable that Jake White’s greatest achievement is not that he has taken the Springboks to the World Cup final but that he has done it while retaining his sense of humour.
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  He is, in almost every respect, the same cheery, wise-cracking Jo’burger who made a late run in 2004 to become the 10th man in 13 seasons to inherit the poisoned chalice. He has lasted longer (four seasons), coached in more Tests (53) and survived more threats to his job than any of his predecessors yet, unlike them, he will not walk away either broken, bitter, haunted or disappointed. He walks on his own terms, with a smile on his face.

  But then White probably grew up tough. His parents divorced when he was young and little Jake Antonie was packed off to boarding school in the Eastern Cape at the age of six. He found, in the all-male, sports-obsessed environment, a second home that he has never really left.
  White was a not-very-good hooker back in day school in Johannesburg, but he was an excellent golfer, playing off scratch, though he turned down an American university scholarship to instead complete a teaching degree at Wits University in Johannesburg.
  He returned to his alma mater, Jeppe Boys High, to start teaching and there remains much of the schoolmaster about him. He continues to call his players ‘boys’ and reintroduced the traditional gold-braided Springbok blazer – though he has not managed to get all of them out of white boots and to have short back and sides.
  He admitted after getting the job that the height of his ambitions had once been to coach the South African Schools team: the national job was reserved for former Springboks. But if you look in a South African dictionary the definition of “chutzpah” probably says “Jake White” – and when he was given the job he had an unshakeable confidence that he could build a World Cup-winning team.
  He had his first taste of it as technical adviser to Nick Mallett at the time the Springboks were putting together a world record- equalling run of 17 successive victories in 1998, and then worked again as an assistant coach to a later Springbok coach, Harry Viljoen, in 2001.
  But White was better known in South African rugby as the man with the Midas touch at age-group level. He was an assistant coach to the South African Under-21s in 1999 and duly helped them win the old SANZAR/UAR title, involving South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and Argentina, in Buenos Aires. He returned to the team in a full-time role at the start of 2002 and immediately steered a side featuring nine of this World Cup squad to the International Rugby Board Under-21 title.
  Every time the Springbok job fell vacant, though, White would apply. When the phone call finally came he was standing on the touchline in Canberra at a Brumbies training session – organised for him by Eddie Jones – a favour he might be about to return with a World Cup winners medal.
  Rather than utilising an Australian gameplan, however, White chose a South African route for his new team. He gave them a playing style that Jones, as Wallaby coach, once perceptively described as “culturally appropriate”. It was founded around the blitzkrieg of the rush defence and powerful ball carriers all generally performed by the biggest and quickest players he could find for every position.
  He has stuck by it and by his players, despite criticism and abuse in the intervening years from public, media and, most hurtfully to White, who has done much to restore Springbok traditions, former Bok players, who have frequently called for him to be sacked.
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  “In some ways their criticism has made me more determined to get it right,” he says now. “There are many occasions where I’ve told the players that they should never allow themselves to become one of those players.” But he has always bounced back and has smiled, shaken hands and patiently and ungrudgingly performed every media task required of him in this tournament, occasionally being the last to leave a press conference.
  He will also chat and gossip about global rugby and come out with his fast one-liners – often at his own expense – and never mind the fact that his audience might contain those who have implacably campaigned for his removal in the fevered back corridors of South African rugby power.
  When White was appointed there were many who doubted that he had the players to halt their decline down the IRB rankings, while his inexperience as a head coach at senior level made his appointment look, at best, an educated guess.
  Could it be that he will have the last laugh after all?
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• 333.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:56 pm

  well there is something i didn’t know about Jake White, he turned down a golf scholarship in the USA as he is or was a scratch golfer

• 334.stormer in a teacup:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:57 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-330: Alas, not really. JW had Luke Watson foisted on him and was called back from an overseas tour to justify his continued status as coach.

• 335.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 14:59 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-331: OK. So we can’t also say that JW has a higher education than PDV? So we must then go back to say that the communication of the two is the difference? JW articulates infinitely better in English than Afrikaans and PDV vice versa?

  We as the external stakeholders need to be kept in the picture and that is not happening at present. We rely on conjecture and supposition, which is hardly a good thing. For example, we’re still speculating about what happened at the “planning meetings” and “Camp Rustenberg”…it’s as if we’re taken for a ride whereas with JW we knew more or less exactly what is happening. Transparency in communication is always better than not.

• 336.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:02 pm

  @LightZone(LightZone)-335: true, thing is J W was and has always been known as a technical expert on the game,

  So recognized world wide

  can we say the same about PD?

• 337.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:03 pm

  I know Jake well and won’t find a more decent human being.

  No matter what is said or written about him, the world cup winners medal could not have gone to a more decent, humble and friendly man

• 338.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:05 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-337: i will concur, even though i have only met him once , had breakfast together and chatted about 45 min

• 339.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:06 pm

  @stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-334: But to a large degree he was given an enabling environment – in line with policy at the time – to choose his own team (coaching team). PDV fought to have the right to choose his own team (of players) but was not allowed to choose his own team (of coaches).
  PDV also had to answer to his bosses. It seems to be part of their process.

• 340.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:07 pm

  I remember sitting in Jake’s house while he was still Jeppe coach / teacher and shortly after we met.
  James Dalton and others had told me legendary stories about the man and coach and sitting in his bar, I saw what a deep passion he has for the game. He had collected memoriblia of former players and spoke of his collection in a way that made me feel a tear or two was appropriate.

• 341.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:08 pm

  It goes without saying that the greatest sadness is that he and Debbie couldn’t survive the pressures of the coaching job… They deserved each other.

• 342.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:10 pm

  Like you see, don’t get me started on Jake White…. UBER respect for the man. He deserved better treatment from all of us and will remain the FDR of SA Rugby for generations to come

• 343.stormersboy:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:11 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-319: LOL. Great thanks!

• 344.LightZone:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:12 pm

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-336: @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-338: @Helen(Helen)-337:
  That I will definitely concede. Due to his involvement in technical analysis with the Springboks over a long period he became adept at it. PDV, however, also coached a winning U21 World Cup team. Their pedigree seems the same.

  JW may be a decent human being but his public persona is one of arrogance. The public persona of PDV is one of stubbornness. I have met both and spoke with them both (at seperate times) and find them both equally engaging and extremely knowledgeable on the game (obviously) but they definitely have divergent personalities.

• 345.stormersboy:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:15 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-306: Hello Dahlink.

  @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-305: Lambie was the 301st Spartan. The real reason they were able to hold back the hordes

• 346.cane:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:17 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-337:

  Were Jakes words concerning Young Luke,
  humble, friendly and decent?

• 347.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:19 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-345:

• 348.Helen:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:19 pm

  @cane(cane)-346:
  Absolutely.

• 349.Desmond_Tiete:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:21 pm

  cane, gaan jy ook op die “ek gaan vir sewe weke niks spyker” – diet gaan? lol only in NZ!! weird country!

• 350.ET.:
  17 Aug 2011, 15:23 pm

  While the rugby world’s #s 1 & 2 have pleasant problems to ponder about, quite the same cannot be said for the team with the racist springbok now on the sleeve and slipping ever downward.

  Week after week for about 6 weeks now we see the national psyche gravitate from forlorn hope(even with the squad for the away TN games)and unfathomable believe only to end in utter despair and frustration and anger come Sat. to Monday(inclusive). All because most fools cannot grasp exactly what is swirling around their restricted little heads.

  Instead of investing, in these dreadful economic times even, in non-serving hindsight so regularly why not develope some knowledge base to the point of exhibiting some genuine foresight, and not the type acquired from the writing provebially being on the wall already(even if there is a rare win come late Sat.).

  That is the challenge to avoid the blood, sweat and copious tears.

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