The squad you won’t see

The squad you won’t see

23 Aug 2011

We’ve told you who is likely to make the Springboks World Cup squad, now keo.co.za’s writers pick their preferred 30 as well as their match 22 for the opener against Wales.

KEO’S WORLD CUP SQUAD - Keo believes his squad is so good it needs no elaboration. He picks Johann Sadie and Schalk Brits, while forgotten man Joe van Niekerk makes a shock return from Toulon. Bryan Habana makes his squad, but only as the world’s most decorated tackle bag holder.

Backs (14): Frans Steyn, Pat Lambie, Gio Aplon, Bryan Habana, JP Pietersen, Johann Sadie, Jaque Fourie, Jean de Villiers, Juan de Jongh, Butch James, Morne Steyn, Ruan Pienaar, Francois Hougaard, Fourie du Preez.

Forwards: (16): Pierre Spies, Joe van Niekerk, Schalk Burger, Heinrich Brüssow, Willem Alberts, Danie Rossouw, Victor Matfield, Bakkies Botha, Johann Muller, Jannie du Plessis, Beast Mtawarira, Gürthro Steenkamp, CJ van der Linde, John Smit (c), Bismarck du Plessis, Schalk Brits.

Keo’s 22 to face Wales - 15 Frans Steyn, 14 Gio Aplon, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Jean de Villiers, 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Butch James, 9 Fourie du Preez, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Schalk Burger, 6 Heinrich Brüssow, 5 Victor Matfield, 4 Bakkies Botha, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 John Smit (c), 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Bismarck du Plessis, 17 CJ van der Linde, 18 Danie Rossouw, 19 Willem Alberts, 20 Schalk Brits, 21 Juan de Jongh, 22 Pat Lambie.

JC’S WORLD CUP SQUAD JC cuts John Smit and picks Schalk Brits. Lwazi Mvovo gets handed a ticket to New Zealand and Bryan Habana has to watch from the stands.

Backs (14): Fourie du Preez, Ruan Pienaar, Butch James, Morne Steyn, Pat Lambie, Jean de Villiers, Jaque Fourie, Juan de Jongh, Francois Hougaard, JP Pietersen, Bryan Habana, Lwazi Mvovo, Frans Steyn, Gio Aplon.

Forwards (16): Beast Mtawarira, Gurthro Steenkamp, Jannie du Plessis, CJ van der Linde, Bismarck du Plessis, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Schalk Brits, Victor Matfield (c), Bakkies Botha, Danie Rossouw, Johann Muller, Heinrich Brussow, Willem Alberts, Schalk Burger, Pierre Spies, Francois Louw.

JC’s 22 to face Wales: 15 Frans Steyn, 15 JP Pietersen, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Jean de Villiers, 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Butch James, 9 Fourie du Preez, 8 Schalk Burger, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Heinrich Brussow, 5 Victor Matfield (c), 4 Bakkies Botha, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
16 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 17 CJ van der Linde, 18 Danie Rossouw, 19 Pierre Spies, 20 Ruan Pienaar, 21 Juan de Jongh, 22 Gio Aplon.

VREDE’S WORLD CUP SQUAD Simple for Vrede really, no place for Smit in the squad (Victor Matfield gets the captaincy) and Bryan Habana is relegated to the bench for the Test against Wales. Schalk Brits cracks the nod, as does Johann Sadie. Francois Louw is in as cover for Heinrich Brüssow.

Backs (14): Frans Steyn, Patrick Lambie, Gio Aplon, Bryan Habana, JP Pietersen, Johann Sadie, Jaque Fourie, Jean de Villiers, Juan de Jongh, Butch James, Morne Steyn, Ruan Pienaar, Francois Hougaard, Fourie du Preez.

Forwards (16): Pierre Spies, Francois Louw, Schalk Burger, Heinrich Brüssow, Willem Alberts, Danie Rossouw, Victor Matfield (c), Bakkies Botha, Johann Muller, Jannie du Plessis, Beast Mtawarira, Gürthro Steenkamp, CJ van der Linde, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Bismarck du Plessis, Schalk Brits.

Vrede’s 22 to face Wales - 15 Frans Steyn, 14 Gio Aplon, 13 Jacque Fourie, 12 Jean de Villiers, 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Butch James, 9 Fourie du Preez, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Schalk Burger, 6 Heinrich Brüssow, 5 Victor Matfield (c), 4 Bakkies Botha, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Schalk Brits, 17 CJ van der Linde, 18 Danie Rossouw, 19 Willem Alberts, 20 Ruan Pienaar, 21 Juan de Jongh, 22 Bryan Habana.


956 Comments

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  • 501.HHS: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:01 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-496: Never played lock for the Lions.

  • 502.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:03 pm

    @hendrikp(hendrikp)-498:

    Nope, Alberts. I’m pretty sure he played lock first.

  • 503.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:04 pm

    Mostert was very impressive in a weak Bok team in Australasia. For me he is in the Bekker mould, in that he is more robust than Matfield but also more athletic than Bakkies. He is much better than our other lock options.

  • 504.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:04 pm

    This from Rugby 365.com:

    Grant Ball’s Bok squad:

    Forwards: Beast Mtawarira, Gurthrö Steenkamp, John Smit, Bismarck du Plessis, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Jannie du Plessis, CJ van der Linde, Bakkies Botha, Victor Matfield, Danie Rossouw, Juandre Kruger, Schalk Burger, Heinrich Brüssow, Pierre Spies, Willem Alberts, Francois Louw.

    Backs: Fourie du Preez, Francois Hougaard, Ruan Pienaar, Butch James, Morné Steyn, Jean de Villiers, Jaque Fourie, Juan de Jongh, Bryan Habana, JP Pietersen, Gio Aplon, Lwazi Mvovo, Pat Lambie, Frans Steyn.

  • 505.diewareouboet: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:04 pm

    @capebull(capebull)-158: @dr dre(dr dre)-199:

    Spies hit the most rucks (if attacking and defensive breakdowns are added together) against NZ and Aus of all the Boks.

    He deserves more credit for the crucial role he plays in dominating the breakdowns.

  • 506.seabiscuit: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:07 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-502:

    alberts has played lock for both lions and sharks but only in the last 10 min o so in his first game for the sharks cuz someone got injuired so he just filled in, but he is def capable of playing lock

  • 507.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:07 pm

    @kaksioek(kaksioek)-503:

    I agree – I was impressed with Mostert

  • 508.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:07 pm

    Two more names your won’t hear being read out tonight: Jean Deysel & Lwazi Mvovo

  • 509.seabiscuit: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:08 pm

    @PissAnt(PissAnt)-508:

    time for me to hit the bottle

  • 510.BullDog15: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:09 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-491: Agree, but if we lose Vic before or during a big game we in ****. We miss Bekker. Daylight between the next in line…no…light years, in fact.

  • 511.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:10 pm

    @PissAnt(PissAnt)-508: Makes sense to me. Makes it more likely that either Ashley Johnson or Francois Louw will be the openside cover.

    If Lwazi is out then it’s Basson or Odwa for the extra wing berth.

    How do you see it?

  • 512.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:11 pm

    @PissAnt(PissAnt)-508:

    Honestly, this will probably be the least controversial Bok squad announcement ever.

    Other than John Smit as captain, this team is almost indisputably the best available.

  • 513.HHS: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:11 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-502: Only played lock u20/21 for the Lions and then replaced Jacques Cronje playing at 8 and on the side.

  • 514.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:12 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-511:

    You won’t see Basson’s name either, Odwa, yes.

  • 515.Ethel: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:12 pm

    Ek sit en kyk uit op Fireman’s Arms. Flo sal daar wees. Dit is nou ‘n given.

  • 516.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:14 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-512: Bekker and Juan Smith being the most notable “would be picked if fit”.

    For the rest there really isn’t anyone else that we would want to pick.

  • 517.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:14 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-512:

    Yup, pretty much an obvious group that will be selected.

    And given Spiros’ latest article, some folks in NZ are getting nervous…

  • 518.seabiscuit: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:14 pm

    for this defencive type style of rugby we are gonna apply to this tournament i wish we had the choice of brad barritt for 12, my word no one ever got through his channel, imagine butch barritt and fourie in a backline, it would be like running into a brick wall

  • 519.Ethel: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:14 pm

    Daar gaan een groot skok keuse wees. **** my.

  • 520.HHS: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:14 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-497: If Hargreaves is called out I’m grabbing the razor blades.

  • 521.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:15 pm

    @HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-513:

    You’re wrong, but I’m not going to spend the time dredging up old team announcements to prove it to you.

    Maybe someone else will be willing to do that. A brief search on google news brought up an article where Alberts replaced the injured Cobus Grobler as lock in 2007, for one. I’m sure there are more examples. But does it really matter? Point is, he can play lock if he has to.

  • 522.Ethel: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:15 pm

    h o o r – ek moet gou gaan kyk wat met daai woord verkeerd is.

  • 523.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:15 pm

    @PissAnt(PissAnt)-514: After Bjorn’s terrible defensive display I wouldn’t pick him either. Odwa bring a solid game with lots of experience. In a squad situation he’s a guy to have,

  • 524.Helen: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:16 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-523: heeeellllooo sweetie

  • 525.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:16 pm

    @PissAnt(PissAnt)-514:

    Don’t know how Odwa squeezes into so many Bok squads.

  • 526.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:16 pm

    @HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-520: I hear you. If he gets picked I’ll be on my knees praying that Vic doesn’t get injured.

  • 527.Ethel: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:17 pm

    Oh boy! My biggest nightmare has arrived. It is like a shadow at noon.

  • 528.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:17 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-524: Hello Dahlink! :)

  • 529.Mills_is_kak: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:18 pm

    wow, just heard something very interesting … Kolisi was seen with the other Boks today … apparently WP flew Flo in from Bath as replacement for Kolisi who will be going to the RWC ….. there might be a surprise or 2 after all!!

  • 530.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:18 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-523:

    I highlighted my concerns over Basson’s defence last year already – it is nothing new, will also not pick him because of that. You can get away with it in CC and maybe even Super Rugby, test rugby you will get exposed badly.

  • 531.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:19 pm

    If Earl Rose is the shock inclusion then I’m gonna need a drink or ten.

  • 532.Ethel: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:19 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-526:

    On your knees. You might just make someone excited.

  • 533.Helen: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:19 pm

    @Ethel(Ethel)-527: shadow at noon? made a kite out of your bra again?

  • 534.HHS: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:19 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-521: I don’t recall him being a regular starter at lock for the Lions but when he replaced JC he settled in that possie, but I will go with what you saying.

  • 535.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:19 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-525:

    Versatility mainly, can cover wing and fullback.

  • 536.hendrikp: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:20 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-521:

    It’s true! Has actually started a few games for the Lions as a lock also, at least one next to Anton van Zyl.

    Couldn’t recall it myself. I remember Deysel playing at 4 though.

  • 537.hendrikp: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:21 pm

    @Mills_is_kak(p0ppa69)-529:

    Having fun there?

  • 538.Helen: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:21 pm

    Kanko will be anothe possible surprise tonight… at least we know that Ricky (mechanic) Januarie is out of the picture

  • 539.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:21 pm

    @PissAnt(PissAnt)-530: Ja. he has been exposed the last couple of games that he played. It’s a real pity as he offers a great deal on offence. Lwazi isn’t great in certain circumstances either.

    Just can’t have that at this level.

    At least Odd-one is pretty solid on D.

  • 540.hendrikp: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:22 pm

    If Bismarck makes the squad I’m going to throw my toys from the cot. He doesn’t deserve to be in the squad after his behavior on the weekend.

  • 541.Helen: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:22 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-539: I agree 100%, sweetie. You’re so clever. Thanks for being here!

  • 542.Ethel: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:23 pm

    @Mills_is_kak(p0ppa69)-529:

    :lol:

  • 543.seabiscuit: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:23 pm

    just spoke to my mate who is good mates with deysel and he has not made the squad nor has mvovo……case of hansa here i come

  • 544.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:24 pm

    @Ethel(Ethel)-532: I hope not ;) I’d rather it be the other way quite frankly.

  • 545.Helen: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:24 pm

    @hendrikp(hendrikp)-540: oh, no ,…. don’t tell me, did he do something incredibly distasteful and potentially dangerous by shaking his head or something equally disguting?

  • 546.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:25 pm

    @hendrikp(hendrikp)-540:

    HAHHAHA :) now that is a pretty unique view mate :)

    better get your tissues out :)

  • 547.Helen: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:25 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-544: careful, Effel bleeds from the eyes when she gets excited

  • 548.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:25 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-539:

    I think you can work with Mvovo.

    He will come good with the right coaching.

  • 549.BullDog15: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:25 pm

    Lots of talk about the Wales game, the possible Ireland quarter and the possible AB semi, BUT, who will be included in the squad to deal with the not so insignificant matter of stopping 128kg Tualagi in the Samoa game?

  • 550.Sasuke: Reply to this comment
    23 Aug 2011, 15:25 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-491: Agreed.

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