KeoTV: Why Hoskins should quit
26 Aug 2011
MARK KEOHANE says Saru president Oregan Hoskins should resign as the failure to transform the Springboks is his fault, not Peter de Villiers’s.
KeoTV: Why Hoskins should quit
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449 Comments
25 Aug 2011, 13:44 pm
Like the background – KeoTV is starting to look less mickey mouse…
I agree on Hoskins needing to be replaced. Nice bloke, but no balls – he’s a yes man.
On the Ndungane point – can’t agree, he is one bloody solid wing. He won’t make the starting line-up, but he’s the best available back-up at the moment.
Go the boks!
25 Aug 2011, 13:46 pm
Oh… Dragons…
25 Aug 2011, 13:53 pm
Transformation has not been a failure. It’s an impossible task to try and force the black community to embrace rugby straight away.
If anything the feelings towards the Springboks have changed. And in the mean time the best players have played, which hasn’t always been the case in the past.
Hoskins deserves a farking medal considering his predecessors. van Rooyen and that Nkanunu guy who looked he could be Thabo Mbeki’s great great great grandad.
25 Aug 2011, 13:55 pm
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-3: You miss the point bud. As president he promised to put in place systems that would mean transformation would not be failed. He has not done this. He has not been prepared to take on the 14 union with urgency, vigour and conviction. He shouldn’t be leading rugby in our country.
25 Aug 2011, 13:56 pm
@NicG(NicG)-1: Nothing wrong with Mickey Mouse … done alright over the last half century has mickey mouse and the Disney channel …
25 Aug 2011, 14:01 pm
@keo(keo)-4:
Fair enough. I guess it will come down to whether the respective provinces think he has done a good job then?
I personally think if you put it aside, he’s done a good job outside of how he dealed with the T-watson fiasco. Transformation isn’t something you can force, otherwise you end up with the same sort of situation SA has a country where you’re forcing better qualified people out of jobs. I can’t see any way that it can be sped up without significantly weakening professional sides in South Africa. So really Hoskins was pretty much screwed either way.
Transformation is stupid anyway. Should stay out of sports. Should just focus on winning, not what colour players are in the team. How is that fair!?!! Argument has been going on forever I know but it’s still relevant.
25 Aug 2011, 14:04 pm
@keo(keo)-4:
Ok so just watched the video. He should be accountable yes. But I’d rather have Hoskins then bring in some other fool who behaves like Brian van Rooyen.
25 Aug 2011, 14:06 pm
Agree with Keo. I am sure the magazine will say more but its a lot more than just Super Rugby and Currie Cup opportunities.
Our structures are still messy
a) The same schools that produced the Boks in the 1970s and earlier produce the Boks of today. What are we doing to invest in the schools structure?
One does not even have to look at the former Model C schools and the Private Schools. They work probably better than anywhere. Where are the new rugby schools?
b) Club Rugby – enough said. Too many players (including black players) are dropping out because of the lack of the next level up.
c) Varsity Cup – OK that works
d) So starting new black youngsters, developing them and keeping them in the game are critical factors that need to be addressed even before they get CC and Super Rugby opportunities
e) Opportunities in Super and CC – Well Keo has a point but to me its more a supply problem than an opportunity problem
Either way SARU is responsible and Regan is the President
25 Aug 2011, 14:06 pm
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-3: nobody has to FORCE anyone, why do you argue from a false premise of black people NOT being interested in rugby?
when it is said that in history, black people were not allowed to be picked for the Springboks, you should gather that they were INDEED already playing the game. open up opportunities, partner with less fortunate schools, adopt a club…do something to improve the lot of the EXISTING players.
25 Aug 2011, 14:09 pm
@keo(keo)-4: hear hear!
25 Aug 2011, 14:12 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-9:
I’m not saying they aren’t interested in the game. I’m saying the level of interest probably differs. To what lengths would they go?
If anything I would put the blame with top schools around South Africa. I said it the other day… the best professional players have – most of them come from the larger schools around South Africa. Those are the schools that compete at a high level, and have the facilities and coaching to properly develop players. If we get more black players playing there, then we’d see more of them coming through.
Go have a look at the World Cup squad and see how many of those players come from ‘smaller’ schools. And then check out the S15 squads. It’s the larger rugby schools that provide the bulk of our talented players.
25 Aug 2011, 14:12 pm
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-3:
A medal for what? For failing to show support for Gert Smal proposal on transformation? For publicly stating Peter De Villiers only got the springbok coaching job because of the colour of skin?
The black players that won the 2005 u21 are mostly playing CC first division rugby, while their reserves have gone on to be springboks…. why does he not investigate what happened to these players? Why is it that 6 years later their peers have reached springbok heights and the ceiling for them is the VC and CC fist divsion?
Feelings towards the springboks changed in 1995 boet!
25 Aug 2011, 14:13 pm
What Hoskins must be held accountable to is his bravado a the press conference following the 2007 RWC squad when he defended the lack of black representation and said it would never happen again. Four years on, under his watch, it has. That’s why he should go.
25 Aug 2011, 14:15 pm
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-6: the maties team were quite transformed – fielding more that 8 players of colour on merit – and were winning the varsity cup regularly, no weakining of the team there. why should it be any different elsewhere?
you reckon the valke will be more KAK than they currently if they give opportunities to more players of colour who deserve to play?
25 Aug 2011, 14:17 pm
whoooaaaa, whoooa, whoooa….whooa, whoaa!…..
nobody needs to quit, ok?…
for anything…….
25 Aug 2011, 14:19 pm
@mxhosa(mxhosa)-12: hear hear
De Villiers’ World Cup winning u20 side (2005)
15 Hennie Daniller, (Cheetahs, super 15); 14 Cedric Mkhize (retired, injured); 13 Earl Rose (Griquas, VC); 12 Thabang Molefe (Griffons, VC); 11 Marius Delport (Lions, super 15); 10 Morne Steyn (Bulls, super 15, Springbok); 9 Paul Delport (SA sevens)
8 Pieter Louw (Stormers, super 15); 7 Hilton Lobberts (Boland, VC); 6 Derick Kuun (Bulls, super 15); 5 Cliff Milton (Somewhere in France); 4 Nikolai Blignaut (Natal, VC); 3 Sangoni Mxoli (EP Kings, VC); 2 Chilliboy Ralepelle (Bulls, super 15, Springbok); 1 Heinke vd Merwe (Ulster, Springbok)
16 Adriaan Strauss (Cheetahs, super 15, Springbok); 17 Werner Kruger (Bulls, super 15); 18 Gerhard Morstert (Sharks, super 15); 19 Davon Raubenheimer (Cheetahs, super 15) 20 Ruan Pienaar (Ulster, Springbok); 21 Mzwandile Stick (EP Kings, VC); 22 Ronnie Cooke (somewhere in France)
25 Aug 2011, 14:20 pm
@keo(keo)-13: I can get behind that reasoning.
Never liked him much anyway.
25 Aug 2011, 14:20 pm
@mxhosa(mxhosa)-12:
Just because they started at U21 level doesn’t make them the best player in their position, or capable of playing Super rugby. When you’re at that level already, and you haven’t pushed on, the blame lies at no ones feet but your own. Maybe they weren’t good enough?
I can’t go back and look at the 2005 squad… but I can’t think of too many black players not coming through. There are some… but there are also heaps, and heaps, and heaps, of white players who were good at that level and never quite pushed on.
25 Aug 2011, 14:21 pm
This is what Hoskins said in 2007 after the Bok squad announcement. This is why he has failed the game.
Hoskins, in an interview with the Independent Group newspapers at the weekend, has set a target of at least seven players of colour in the Springbok starting XV in the 2011 Rugby World Cup.
Hoskins, at the weekend, again emphasises the fact that the game’s administrators, and not the national selectors, would be judged on transformation.
“At the announcement of the 2007 World Cup squad I said the administration – and not the national selectors – must take the blame for the slow pace of transformation,” Hoskins was quoted as saying in the Independent Group newspapers.
“We had to act immediately to address it, but there had to be substance to our way forward. There is no quick fix and we had to agree on a target for 2011. We have to ensure that every opportunity is created so that the national selectors can meet this target in the next four years.”
Hoskins emphasised that he was looking at a targets, not quotas.
“We, as the game’s leadership, must take charge of transformation issues. There can be no turning back on our commitment to change. We are not forcing the national coach to pick seven or eight black players in 2008. It is a target we believe can be achieved by the next World Cup when we can confidently say the Springboks represent everyone in South Africa, and that every player in the starting XV is there on merit. ‘
Regan, the same two coloured wingers who started in the 2007 RWC final, and a black import from Zimbabwe is who will start four years later. You said it in 2007, blame the administration. So I am blaming you and that is why you should go.
25 Aug 2011, 14:24 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-16:
Rose is out purely based on performance and his poor attitude. He got tons of oppurtunities. Molefe got his chance with the Lions. Same story. Paul Delport with Western Province/Stormers. Same story – but he struggled with injuries also. Nikolai Blignaut was like a copy of TGHMQD. And Mxoli never quite cut it. Mzandwile Stick got his oppurtunity with Sharks CC side. Same story.
25 Aug 2011, 14:25 pm
@keo(keo)-19: spot on
25 Aug 2011, 14:25 pm
Someone like Brendan venter or francious pienaar should b SA rugby president
25 Aug 2011, 14:26 pm
Not attacking your video here Mark, because you are right. But how about a suggestion? We get some ideas flowing on how to improve the situation? What you think? It’s easy for me or you to stand back and shake our fists but if it’s such a problem then maybe you should use the influence that you do have to put forward some ideas.
25 Aug 2011, 14:26 pm
Someone like Brendan venter or francious pienaar should b SA rugby president .
25 Aug 2011, 14:27 pm
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-20:
Basicly what I’m saying is, they all got oppurtunities. Can’t blame Hoskins if they didn’t make the cut. Stick isn’t even in the Kings side at the moment, that’s how much they think of him.
25 Aug 2011, 14:29 pm
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-20: and what about ruan? who ahs been accommodated at every level because of who his father is and this mythical belief that he is a super talent. even now he is in the team to new zealand based on NOTHING but hype.
25 Aug 2011, 14:30 pm
@seabiscuit(seabiscuit)-24:
-_- Or not. If I have to see Francois Pienaar talk about his relationship with Mandela one more time… I’m gonna jump.
Ex-rugby players aren’t always the best person for the jobs, whether it be SARU president or Springbok coach. I’m sure there is someone in South Africa that could do a good job and not stir sh-it like van Rooyen did.
25 Aug 2011, 14:31 pm
Will the situation be any different next year??
25 Aug 2011, 14:32 pm
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-25: Stick just handed the captaincy to Luke now before the Currie Cup, he was the cappie in Romania when the team played in the Nations Cup, what rubbish are you talking?
25 Aug 2011, 14:33 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-26:
You keep telling yourself that. In the mean time he is getting crazy money playing for Ulster and just won Players Player of the Year for them.
Pienaar is a class player. He actually had some brilliant seasons when he first came through. That he played average alongside a very weak Springbok side in Australasia doesn’t change that.
If those black players are as good, where are their European club contracts? Or are those clubs just as bad us?
25 Aug 2011, 14:33 pm
Morne du Plessis.
25 Aug 2011, 14:35 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-31: I’d be amazed if he would be prepared to take it on.
25 Aug 2011, 14:35 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-29:
Haha. Who is playing fullback for them at the moment? I’m not into watching poor sides like that play… just what the news reports said about why Stick had been dropped from the starting XV for some guy called SP Marais. Come on man they’ve got Tiger Mangweni in the side ahead of Stick.
25 Aug 2011, 14:37 pm
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-30: ulster
tl tl tl
25 Aug 2011, 14:38 pm
Keo
At what level do you think this transformation should take place?
Serious question.
The way I see it, the CC right now should be used to blood the next generation. Of any colour.
I have been way more interested in watching the Sharks u21 team this year than the 1st team. Perhaps the transformation should be taking place here? Maybe lower?
Schools in Natal are full of players of colour, Glenwood, Maritzburg, Westville etc who then go on to make up the most of the Natal Schools team. Why havent these guys gone on to greater things?
Sudden lack of interest? Is it a physical thing, where the whities mature later in life? Who the fark knows.
To me, watching Stef and Joubert plodding around is worse than watching paint dry. With all the focus on the WC and Trination, this would have been the ideal situation to push younger players through and let them compete.
Sithole
Richards
Jordaan
Lindeque.
Let these guys play now, get experience.
I do think that forcing players into situations where they perhaps arent capable or underdeveloped could do more damage than good.
Chilliboy is case in point. How long was he under an injury cloud when he was younger? Sicknote! He was playing way above his development and it showed. Compare that to now, a little older, a little bigger, more experienced. He managed a full S15 season and peoples perception of him has suddenly changed.
Transform, yes. But I think it is critical to do it at the correct level.
25 Aug 2011, 14:38 pm
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-33: the shut your trap then if you haven’t watched the team
25 Aug 2011, 14:39 pm
I like the part where he said ‘ Again we digress’
The only part that is missing for me is the ‘Verimark sales pitch’
It goes like this: ‘ What are you waitin’ for, get stuck into transformation now’
But you must say the ‘now’ with urgency, vigour and conviction.
Almost a ‘na-ow’
25 Aug 2011, 14:39 pm
Keo, easy to point fingers but the reality is that it is about the best players and not their colour. Go have another look at the RWC 30 you yourself selected. If my memory serves me right, you preferred Johann Sadie to De Jongh and Schalk Brits to Ralepelle. This whole debate will go around in circles again.
25 Aug 2011, 14:41 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-35: go ask the Sharks union why they haven’t renewed Xolane Howard Mnisi’s contract?
frustrating players into quitting is what these unions do best and all we hear about is paul jordaan, piet lindeque etc…
25 Aug 2011, 14:41 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-36:
Hehe. Fact is if he’s so good then why isn’t he starting for the Kings? Doesn’t matter if I haven’t watched them. He’s been left out, and not because of injury.
Just saying
25 Aug 2011, 14:41 pm
all i know is the carrot has failed the donkeys…..
whats the bet the stick comes out now….?
25 Aug 2011, 14:41 pm
Race based selections are immoral, simple as that. You can’t have it both ways.
Either apartheid was acceptable – which would make the transformation agenda acceptable as well – or apartheid was wrong, in which case the whole issue of transformation is morally bankrupt along with it.
It’s either or. You can’t have racial preference for white guys being condemned while putting racial targets for black guys on your agenda.
What you CAN do, is pander to the morally bankrupt political leaders of the day in order to further your own interests, which is something Mark Keohane has never been shy of doing.
25 Aug 2011, 14:43 pm
@keo(keo)-19: Come on Keo. How many non-white players are in the RWC squad – eight? OK, so let’s imagine that PdV picks all 8 in his starting team. Will you be happy then? Of course not. Why not? That would mean Hoskins has exceeded his target.
You’re just making a fuss because that is your business model.
For you, as a white South African, to be haranguing a coloured South African because there aren’t enough black South Africans in the national rugby team is a joke.
Transformation at the elite level of sport is a farce – nothing but Nineteen Eighty-Four nonsense and Newspeak . Most people around the world would have no idea what you’re banging on about. “You’re upset because there are too many white players in your national team? And that’s relevant why exactly?”
It’s 2011 people. Get a grip. The world doesn’t owe anybody anything. Nobody cares what colour you are.
25 Aug 2011, 14:44 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-42:
Ouch. But I agree.
25 Aug 2011, 14:44 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-32:
I know.
He’s too good for those jokers.
But he would sort the muthafarkers out
chop chop
6 love 6 love
all over rover
goodnight nurse
lATER ALLIGATOR
fARK SORRY CAPS.
25 Aug 2011, 14:45 pm
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-18:
See post number 16, these players were the best in the world they beat both New Zealand and Australia…. Andries Strauss was also part of that squad, by the way, he wasn’t even good enough to make the bench (he’s a springbok too). The question is, why is it that every single one of those white players in that team went to on to play superrugby and only a handful of the black players?
Jake White’s team in contrast:
SA u21 (2002)
15 Jorrie Muller (Springbok), 14 Jean De Villiers (Springbok), 13 Clyde Rathbone (Wallaby), 12 Dewey Swartbooi (Boland), 11 Ashwin Willemse (Springbok), reserve, Odwa Ndungane (Springbok) 10 Francois Swart (deceased), 9 Ricky Januarie (Springbok) – reserve, Fourie Du Preez (Springbok)
8 Jacques Cronje (Springbok), 7 Pedrie Wannenburg (Springbok), 6 Roland Bernard (probably retired) 5 Juan Smith (Springbok), 4 Gordon Gillfillan (probably retired), 3 Pat Barnard (Pom), 2 Gary Botha (Springbok), 1 Gurthro Steenkamp (Springbok)
Only three players and Swys Swart (may his soul rest in peace) have not gone on to play international rugby. Fourie Du Preez and Odwa Ndungane (black winger) were the only bench players to make earn bok colours.
25 Aug 2011, 14:46 pm
Such a hot topic of debate.
Simply, what was Hoskins key performance indicators when he took the job? If transformation at grass roots level was one, then fire the man. We cannot fire the president of Sarfu for making promises and not delivering, as this would open the door for almost all of the SARFU team to be fired:
Sadly, he has blown his credibility somewhat, but if transformation was not one of his criteria that his Bosses were judging him on, he is safe.
What I love about Sarfu is the following:
Coach A is fired for telling the media that ticket prices are too high. Coach A has one of the highest winning %’s of all coaches, and coached SA to a world record equalling 17 test match wins.
Coach B has told countless lies & made many faux pa’s related to race, giving the whites back their game, and has successfully taken a team he inherited from 1 in the world, and has them hanging onto 4. Not once has he even been reprimanded.
My, oh my, have the standards that determine if a coach eels his job have changed!
25 Aug 2011, 14:46 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-43:
Except… the politicians. And of course it creates a bit of controversy which Keo thrives off. Sad but true.
25 Aug 2011, 14:47 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-45: Grant10!
What do I win???
25 Aug 2011, 14:48 pm
@mxhosa(mxhosa)-46:
You know Andries Strauss was by far the top try-scorer in the U20 tournament the previous year? He was head and shoulders above them all?
My point – quotas were clearly in effect right there. Those players may have been good at that level, but you can’t force them to be good enough to be playing CC, Super rugby or for the Springboks.
It has nothing to do with how they’ve been treated or developed by the franchises. They just simply weren’t good enough.
25 Aug 2011, 14:49 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-42:
Apartheid can never be ok: you cannot deny people to own property for generations and think it’s ok.
Also, to deny people a decent education is also one of the worst forms of oppression.
Hou op om verskoninkies te maak vir apartheid, dit was afstootlik.
25 Aug 2011, 14:50 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-35:
What I mean by saying Transform, yes, is that transformation is a reality and there is no way around it in SA. But its vital to do it at the correct level.
25 Aug 2011, 14:51 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-42: blah blah let’s all have convinient amnesia and ignore the fat that “preference” for non-blacks in rugby was entrenched to a structural level – ie facilities. and the people who benefitted from that system are still the GATEKEEPERS today in those unions.
transformation is NOT apartheid in reverse! we will not sit by and HOPE that people like you somehow MIRACULOUSLY change their attitudes, fuckthat!
you have no regard for black people, no interest in their culture, well-being let alone prosperity it would be foolhardy of any black person to hinge hopes of a better life for themselves or their progeny on your kind!
25 Aug 2011, 14:52 pm
@mxhosa(mxhosa)-46:
Not many black players there either. Willemse was a favourite of Jake White, who was then of course Springbok coach, and he didn’t last long. He had what, 3 tries in 20 tests or something along those lines? Odwa Ndungane was/is a better winger.
And again Dewey Swartbooi got his oppurtunity. He played an entire season as starting 12 for the Bulls in the Super 12. Did he cut it? No. Good defender, but he struggled, a lot.
It’s because the white players are better. You can’t develop black players at this level. It needs to start earlier.
25 Aug 2011, 14:53 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-51:
Talk about a post going totally over your head. Read it again, chum. I’m using apartheid as the benchmark of what is immoral, not condoning it.
25 Aug 2011, 14:53 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-45: LOL
25 Aug 2011, 14:54 pm
@51 – I could not agree with you more.
Apartheid was appalling. No good comes out of oppressing a race.
Tacitus has a point though, whats happening now is similar to reverse apartheid. We are oppressing a race for another. We just have a new name and grand for is. (Affirmitive Action, BBBEE, transformation…you name it)
Bottom line is the following: when you select 1 over another based on race, its equally appalling.
Somehow SA are still stuck in this mould, its just the pendulum swinging.
Great article on IOL today written in the States stating that the current regime in SA is simply Apartheid in another colour.
25 Aug 2011, 14:57 pm
If anything we’re in a situation now where all the black players in the squad deserve their place. Also had Ashley Johnson & Lwazi Mvovo who were fairly unlucky.
That hasn’t been the case in the past. We’ve had to put up with Lawrence Sephaka, Eddie Andrews, Dale Santon, Hanyani Shimange, Quinton Davids, Norman Jordaan (was that his name), Gcobani Bobo, Zane Kirchner (debatable)…
At least now we have players who can actually say they deserve to be there and haven’t been picked because of the colour of their skin. To me that’s progress.
25 Aug 2011, 14:57 pm
In 2009, SARU said the Springboks wouldn’t play against the New Zealand Maori team because of the former’s policy of preventing its teams from competing against opposition selected along racial lines.
And now the president of SARU is being hauled over the coals because our national team isn’t black enough!
You couldn’t make this **** up.
25 Aug 2011, 14:57 pm
i am still waiting for branco to play regularly for a s15 province.
man, in the land of the dwergies that guy would be king man!
but seriously, who gives a toss about transformation really?
its all about a smash and grab actually imo, because it is quite clear that cream, be it black or white, rises to the top like elton jantjes or jdj or gio or beast etc.
but the playing pool of black players is simply so much smaller and therefore probability suggests that white players will continue to make up the numbers until this is not the case.
imo nc nc nc tl tl tl tl and fu
25 Aug 2011, 14:58 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-53:
You’re wrong on a number of fronts in that post, but you are right that you should not pin your hopes for the future on anyone else. And you’re right that better infrastructure is needed for the disadvantaged in society.
So give them that. What’s happening to all that tax money we’re paying? Build rugbyfields at these schools, employ sports teachers, start phys ed again.
Give these guys bursaries, get some BEE tycoons to fund black clubs.
Get the Kings – where you are your own gatekeeper, to develop all these black superstars. If any of them are matchwinners, they will be bought up by the Bulls or the Stormers or the Sharks in no time, because those guys want every edge they can get to up their winning record.
You should see how many coloured kids from the Western Cape Heyneke Meyer is “buying” to relocate to schools in Pretoria, because he wants them for the Bulls in 5 years time.
Sport is about winning, nothing else. That’s what you need to realise.
25 Aug 2011, 14:59 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-55:
Do you see anyone here condoning ‘scorched earth policy’ or the ‘concentration camps’?
You think you can get off on a technicality, not a chance.
Stop arguing for white privilege – corrupt politicians aside; they were there then and are there now- difference is that it is reported better these days.
25 Aug 2011, 15:00 pm
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-50: “It has nothing to do with how they’ve been treated or developed by the franchises. They just simply weren’t good enough”
yes hendrik, keep believing that stuff and while you’re at it, pass the zol
8)
25 Aug 2011, 15:00 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-49:
one slighlty used speedo.
and a DIY turbo reverse exhaust kit.
25 Aug 2011, 15:02 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-21: usually only Ryan follows Keo around like a lapdog
Now the one good thing that Hoskins did is cut the amount of professional provinces from 14 to 6 … the Presidents council is gone too.
Next he has to break the back of the unions who host 3N test matches, only the new stadiums in CPT, Durban, PE and soccer city should play host to these matches.
Anything to get rid of Reyneke
25 Aug 2011, 15:02 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-61: why BEE tycoons?
is it not the responsibility of every south african to build a better life for all?
you’re only interested in self but b*tch when it starts affecting you hahaha
25 Aug 2011, 15:04 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-53: whoaah there bronco, settle now.
tac has never shown himself to be anything other than happy to debate issues.
the access to facilities is a good point but i think sometimes black people forget about the quite large white middle to lower class who dot exactly have first world facilities either and still produce athletes much as black athletes/ football stars still come out of the same areas where lack of facilities is blamed for lack of rugby players.
its simply not that simple buddy.
25 Aug 2011, 15:04 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-61:
Heineken relocating cullard kids to tshwane?
I spy the (cack)hand of Jimmy Manyi.
25 Aug 2011, 15:05 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-63:
If they were as good as you’re making out, they would’ve been retained. Otherwise how about pointing out the racist coaches that are obviously all around. That way we can all have a laugh while being better informed.
25 Aug 2011, 15:07 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-62:
Have you been drinking? Cause whatever you read isn’t what was written.
25 Aug 2011, 15:08 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-43: why does Keo moan about the CapeSaders while wearing his Arsesanal shirt … does he not support Santos?
25 Aug 2011, 15:09 pm
Tac
You always try to construct little arguments that would create the illusion that you’re fair in this matter. You are not, and there are many who think like you.
The main streams of arguments are always the same.
Take off your 2 tone shirt , Jason Michael jeans and grasshoppers. Trade in your white Toyota bakkie. Get a Tata or something.
Make a difference man.
25 Aug 2011, 15:11 pm
racists around every corner stopping black kids who have been contracted from being successful because they wont say yes baas.
what a joke.
the world owes you nothing people, nothing.
and sport owes you less.
25 Aug 2011, 15:12 pm
Colour is important to me.
There are 2 sets of colours that are important to me:
a. Green and gold
b. Blue and white
25 Aug 2011, 15:12 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-67: the populations of mdantsane & soweto alone come close to matching this “large white middle to lower class”, well done to them, they must share the recipe
25 Aug 2011, 15:12 pm
@RL(RL)-71: Yes, what is Keo doing to further the great cause of transformation? Not enough, judging from the banner on the front page of the website. Two whiteys and one coloured bloke – it’s just not good enough.
25 Aug 2011, 15:13 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-72:
how are you making a difference?
apart from giving everybody earache?
25 Aug 2011, 15:13 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-61:
Heynecke Meyer has been buying black kids from the EC since 2003 cause he to develop them for the bulls, where are they now???
25 Aug 2011, 15:13 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-66:
No, it is not the responsibility of every South African to create a better life for all. Where on earth did you come by that bit of brainless twaddle?
It is the responsibility of every person who wishes to make a difference in someone else’s life to do so. Out of his own volition. Not by being forced.
I do so on many fronts – and to people of all races – in small ways everyday. But it is my choice. It is not my duty.
Hence, there may be causes that lie close to my heart, and to that I will donate money or time. In the same way, someone to whom the development of underpriviliged schoolsports is a priority, should then support it financially.
Personally, I believe the need for food and clothes etc. should come before the “right to play every sport imaginable”, which in my view is a luxury, not a right.
But anyone who feels different can put their time and money where their mouths are.
25 Aug 2011, 15:15 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-73: nobody is owed anything
25 Aug 2011, 15:16 pm
Forced Transformation of any sport is wrong, evil, and not indicative of a free society. What needs to be done is to level the playing fields so that the very best players come through the youth systems irrespective of their race. To succeed in sport takes dedication and hard work not only talent and this should encouraged not hand outs and rewards for mediocrity. Imagine the outcry if in the US the government expressed the need to transform the NFL or NBA to include more white players to reflect the demographics of the country. They would be slammed for being racist. Politicians should stay out of sport. A Springbok team that is more reflective of the different races in South Africa will naturally occur over time.
25 Aug 2011, 15:16 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-73: quite right, nobody owes non-black kids anything, they can’t moan about not playing wing
25 Aug 2011, 15:16 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-77:
Don’t worry. The ANCYL will nationalise SA Rugby eventually.
25 Aug 2011, 15:18 pm
I just think it’s about time that we forget about “Transformation” and come up with something new which will work.
In my opinion, change has to come from within and on laws will change that!
The players themselves have to show change and make it happen for themselves. All they require is a fair chance and financial commitment from the authorities in rugby development.
We must invest in promising young players who show a bit of younger to succeed and then support them through out their development and not desert them after school.
We have so much talent at school level but it dissapears immediately there after.
25 Aug 2011, 15:18 pm
I have never rated Hoskins. He is one of those people who believes compromise is the ONLY form of leadership.
Keo talks about irony… another one is that the leader probably best placed to lead rugby whilst ensuring transformation and a winning culture is Morne Du Plessis.
Still believe he made a horlicks of the whole bok emblem thing – disgrace that it’s only on the sleeve of the jersey at the wc.
25 Aug 2011, 15:18 pm
@mxhosa(mxhosa)-78:
Every time he gave them a set of rugby boots they’d take them and run. The ones that came back were able to be used.
25 Aug 2011, 15:19 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-79: great then, i wasn’t talking about you, but about the NON-BLACK TYCOONS
25 Aug 2011, 15:19 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-39:
The Sharks?
Why dont you look a little closer to home pal.
Go ask the Kings why their team is looking more like a white, has been graveyard than the pinnacle of transformation its was made out to be in the press.
25 Aug 2011, 15:20 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-79:
Solidariteit se skooltassie projek?
25 Aug 2011, 15:21 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-75: yes transie, the point is that they produce rugby talent with little access to facilities.
did you decide to ignore that?
i think they will share the recipe happily.
its called passion, much like soweto has for soccer.
verstaan?
@mxhosa(mxhosa)-78: they are being kept in a secret camp far from the prying eyes of the press or public because heaven forbid these super athletes were ever allowed onto a real rugby field!
we would instantly have to concede that whites could not only not jump, but not play rugby either!
so i applaud heyneke for taking these kids out of the biggest sh it hole province in south africa where they had a 1 in 150,000,000 chance of success and ensuring they never saw the light of day by surrounding them with racist du tchies.
viva heyneke viva!
25 Aug 2011, 15:21 pm
@malcolm(malcolm)-81: “What needs to be done is to level the playing fields”
tell us HOW malcom.
25 Aug 2011, 15:21 pm
This issue really is a no-brainer.
The cream will always rise to the top. Like Habana, Beast, Gurthro, Pietersen etc.
If there was another Gurthro hanging around in Bulls country, they would pick him in a heartbeat if it helped them win more trophies. Because in the end what is important is winning. Nothing more and nothing less.
25 Aug 2011, 15:21 pm
JP du Plessis 20 years old youngster plays for Melbourne Rebels Superugby team.
Andries Ferreira 21 years old guy (ex Bulls lock ) will play for Biarritz academy nest year.
Bernard le Roux 22 years old (ex Border flanker) will play for Racing Metro academy next year.
Conrad Marais 22 years old namibian centre will be in Bordeaux academy next year.
They never played Superugby or Currie Cup
¿Why the europeans teams are not interested in Howard Mnisi, Mlungisi Bali, Luvuyiso Lusaseni, Tilifhatu Marole, Siya Mkiva, Siya Mdaka….?
¿Can you answer my cuestion?
25 Aug 2011, 15:22 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-76: you should read the names of those who work at HSM … there are about 3 or 4 Keohane’s … nepotism
@Transformation(Transformation)-80: Plod owed it to himself to go to the RWC.
25 Aug 2011, 15:23 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-87:
Well, if the non-black tycoons are going to fund black players, who is going to fund the white players? The black tycoons?
Or must the black kids get everything?
25 Aug 2011, 15:23 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-92: Im a bulls fan but not so keen on Guthro. I’ve never recovered from the sight of him having his head shuffed up his proverbial by castro giovanni (it was deeply embarrasing)
25 Aug 2011, 15:25 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-82: you are being a little silly transie, surely your humour must grow up now?
25 Aug 2011, 15:26 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-88: hehehe the current team is a means to an end, get with the program china…
EP Kings Academy, watch this space!
it’s not about creating the blackest team ever but an enabling environment for everyone who is talented to succeed. woz’ uzobona
25 Aug 2011, 15:28 pm
I see Kolisi is the new black hero. Let’s hope he succeeds. And let’s hope that there isn’t an uprising if the next Schalk Burger or Juan Smith makes him work for his place in the starting line up.
25 Aug 2011, 15:31 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-98:
“an enabling environment for everyone who is talented to succeed”
what a load of liberal horse sh it doublespeak.
its embarrassing that you even spluge this kind of nonsense into cyberspace, luckily for you, you are anonymous.
25 Aug 2011, 15:33 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-99:
Your desire is however to see him fail, so you can reassure yourself ‘see we are superior’
What one would like to see is that he is afforded the same opportunities as the others. Immediately your mechanical brain goes ‘oh throw money down the drain’
Of course not.
Justice or fairness is the point.
Whoever brainwashed you did a real good job, or was it just the Nuts?
25 Aug 2011, 15:33 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-90: and you have the cheek to question my “humour”? puerile
25 Aug 2011, 15:34 pm
if the “enabling environment” is the same for everybody, the team will be very white buddy, simply because of PLAYING DEMOGRAPHICS.
yes, yes, dale and queens i hear you rant.
just add up all the afrikaans schools and you will start to verstaan mate.
so the kings are to be another anti transformation vehicle then?
sad.
25 Aug 2011, 15:36 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-101:
So many unfounded statements in that post.
I agree fully that he should receive the same opportunities as any other player.
No more, no less.
25 Aug 2011, 15:36 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-95: there are more black kids than non-black kids, natuurlik
25 Aug 2011, 15:38 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-105:
And there are more Chinese in the world than all of the blacks and non blacks combined. What’s your point?
25 Aug 2011, 15:40 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-106: That the Boks should be overwhelmingly ethnic Chinese?
25 Aug 2011, 15:40 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-99: you’re so vindictive, how is he the new black hero?
is sadie the new white hero? how about lambie, taute, etsebeth?
nick koster maybe?
oh Lord for forbid van den Heever? bwahahahahaha
25 Aug 2011, 15:40 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-102: it wasnt humour, it was sarcasm laid on thick to match the stupid question by mxhosa.
or maybe heyneke sold their body parts to the east?
anyways, i am out. gotta meet my black business colleague who thinks your type are lazy in mind and in deed.
tjorts.
25 Aug 2011, 15:42 pm
I think the Welsh have been letting their standards slip recently – why I counted at least two players in their squad whose name isn’t Jones. It’s outrageous and not at all representative!
25 Aug 2011, 15:46 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-99: why isn’t kolisi YOUR new hero Tac? he hails from PE was spotted @ EP u12/14 trials.
why can’t you embrace him?
embrace change tac, transform yourself
25 Aug 2011, 15:47 pm
Honestly, if I was a black kid from a poor area, I’d want rugby boots, shoulder pads, a scrumcap, proper nutrition, a nice field to play on, a safe environment to train in, a good coach to teach me the skills of the game and good medical cover should I get injured.
All of that stuff means one thing: Financial support.
So by all means, direct money towards supporting these players. Give them every opportunity to develop their talents to the max.
Then let them loose to compete on an equal footing with the white kids.
At the same time, give the same financial support to the hundreds of thousands of white kids who are also growing up in poverty today, but without the benefit of having a government who gives a sh*t about their predicament.
Level the playing field for everyone. And then let the team demographics be whatever it is. Don’t select players based on skin colour.
25 Aug 2011, 15:47 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-109: who said you have monopoly on sarcasm?
you non-black guys nc nc nc
25 Aug 2011, 15:48 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-104:
Ek weet nie eens hoekom ek vies word vir jou nie.
Jy het nog net nie die goed deurdink nie, dis al.
Kom ons laat dit daar my maat van yster en plaat.
25 Aug 2011, 15:49 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-109: i’m not a “type”
25 Aug 2011, 15:54 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-112: non-black unemployment is far less than black employment, fact.
non-black salaries still trump black salaries, fact.
non-black land ownership still trumps black ownership, fact.
non-black wealth still trumps black wealth, fact.
25 Aug 2011, 15:56 pm
transie, we get it, you know how to do smileys. you don’t need to put one after every post. it does not make you look clever and sort of defeats their purpose.
25 Aug 2011, 15:57 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-116:
And how does this correlate to comparative educational levels, skills and relevant work experience?
25 Aug 2011, 15:57 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-116: we don’t mind if you call us whites. non-black is so … non-commital.
25 Aug 2011, 16:02 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-91: I believe by implementing a far better scouting system for talent (both black and white) from primary school level in all schools not only the big famous ones and advising the talent unearthed on everything from diet to new training systems. We should have institutions that get the best possible coaches to train talented youngsters who DO NOT go to the big schools and have a system where several small schools in areas get together and field combination teams for 3 or 4 matches a year against the Premier Rugby schools in the country. True sporting ability will be apparent in a youngster even in a very poor environment but the secret is for someone to be there to recognize it. I think a great deal talent gets missed in South Africa both black and white simply because they may not go to a recognized rugby school.
25 Aug 2011, 16:05 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-90:
lol!
25 Aug 2011, 16:09 pm
seems like transie works for a government department – just gone 4 pm and he’s disappeared.
25 Aug 2011, 16:12 pm
You guys miss the point. It is not about who is or who isn’t good enough. it is about a leader who said hold me accountable. Now I am holding him accountable because so little has happened between World Cups. Hoskins asked to be given another chance on transformation in 2007. He was and he stood there proud as punch to confirm a squad that showed how little had changed since the last WC. If the game is to transform it needs strong leadership. Hoskins is not that answer. He bows to 14 provincial presidents. He gives them what they want and he hasn’t made a hard decision in his tenure. My criticism is aimed directly at one person.
25 Aug 2011, 16:14 pm
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-122: hehehehehehehehehe funny guy
25 Aug 2011, 16:15 pm
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-122: makes sense, hence all the time to blog, and search and cut and paste and……..
25 Aug 2011, 16:15 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-118: and this was all a matter of natural progression? whites are more educated because it was SYSTEMATICALLY engineered to be that way, now how does one fix that situation?
25 Aug 2011, 16:16 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-124: see post 117 please
25 Aug 2011, 16:16 pm
@SuperStirrer(SuperStirrer)-125: aha, piss-taker
25 Aug 2011, 16:16 pm
Ok, I’m here now. What’s happening?
25 Aug 2011, 16:17 pm
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-117: why do you care
25 Aug 2011, 16:17 pm
@keo(keo)-123: Keo, happy to meet you. Howz it hanging, swamp donkey?
25 Aug 2011, 16:18 pm
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-119: non-blacks. not everything is about you
25 Aug 2011, 16:18 pm
I dont understand this “transformation” obsession considering all players are south african people
25 Aug 2011, 16:18 pm
TRANSFORMATION Hoskins style is a letter to the unions asking for the inclusion of more black players.
Has no one noticed that Hoskins has left 3 of his transformed unions out of Super Rugby?
How is this possible you may ask – only because Hoskins is kept there by the old guard to delay this process.
The process should be that everyone – read all SARU 14 rugby unions have an equal and fair opportunity to play Super Rugby.
Only Hoskins and Marinos cocked this up right royally and failed to demand that each of the SANZAR partners has 6 teams in the tournament and SA Rugby gets the short end and we find ourselves yapping and scrapping like lapdogs over a chewy toy.
This means then that transformation will now have to wait till 2016 when the new Super Rugby tournament starts.
SA Rugby needs to grow a set of balls and address rugby on the premise that the best man gets the job and the best teams get to play but everyone plays on the same equal footing.
There is massive inequality in rugby and it is condoned by SA Rugby.
25 Aug 2011, 16:19 pm
Under Hoskins’ tenure SA rugby has probably experienced its most stable period since readmission. He is a peacemaker, not a sh*tstirrer.
He tries to keep the boat steady, rather than capsize it.
25 Aug 2011, 16:21 pm
@keo(keo)-123: we get it keo, fire away!
25 Aug 2011, 16:26 pm
@Markel77(Markel77)-133: imagine the madristas oppressed the catalans for decades and took all the land to themselves, made themselves filthy rich and advanced their people into management jobs based only on being madristas, best schools, best health care, best homes etc…imagine after decades of being disenfranchised the catalans got “emancipated”.
in your mind will the two societies be equal immediately after emancipation?
how long do you think it will take for that society to be “normal”?
25 Aug 2011, 16:26 pm
enjoy your squabbles. i’m going for a pedal in the hills.
25 Aug 2011, 16:30 pm
Keo you say allot more “players of color” should be going to the WC, can you name them please? from experience I can assure that young black players are allot more interested in playing football. Stick admitted on TV that black students are forced to play rugby at their schools but still transformation did not fail, if you watched Craven week you would have realized that. I just think it is hypocritical that you complain about transformation while your own squad that you have chosen on this site contains more white players and if Mvovo is so good why would you leave him out and put in Sadie when you know we have more than enough back-up for the center position.
25 Aug 2011, 16:30 pm
Transformation made easy for simpletons and racists:
1. Work out what percentage of the population is not white (How, by reinstating the pencil test?)
2. Count how many players there are in a rugby team (Ooh, 15 at a time but 22 in total. And 30 in a RWC squad – confusing!)
3. Demand that the percentage of non-whites arrived at in 1 is matched by the percentage of non-whites included in 2.
4. Profit?
25 Aug 2011, 16:30 pm
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-138: will join you in an hour, gym wiil be calling
25 Aug 2011, 16:31 pm
This Transformation bulldust is based on an analysis which assumes that pigmentally challenged supporters, coaches and administrators are prejudiced and do not want to see pigmentally rich players succeed.
The cries of “BEEEEEAAAAAAAAAASSSST” in stadiums around SA and indeed the globe expose this crockofshit thinking for what it is.
I suggest that there is another factor in play… Plain old incompetence.
25 Aug 2011, 16:32 pm
@Rugbylife(Rugbylife)-139: where do you live?
25 Aug 2011, 16:33 pm
@Rugbylife(Rugbylife)-139: I am saying a leader made a commitment to be judged on nrs four years ago. I am reminding him of that.
25 Aug 2011, 16:34 pm
Eish man we had a civil war ¿did you know? ¡¡3 years of bloody civil war!!. Guernica, you know?
then almost 40 years of dictadure ¡¡¡¡40 YEARS!!!! we were (still are) the shame of western europe.
And there are no cuotas for the sons or grandsons of the republicans (the losers). my maternal grandfather was republican by the way
We dont need cuotas, a democratic country shouldnt need cuotas.
25 Aug 2011, 16:35 pm
Transformation … you currently have all the opportunities in the world! Because of BEE, EE, transformation or whatever you want to call it, you’ll easily get a job or loan or bursary – much easier than a white oke. But yet, you are on keo 24/7 complaining about the past …. why don’t to use the opportunities available? Do you work for a boss? Is he paying you to be here on keo 24/7? So the white kid works his arse off and gets promoted, you talk k@k on keo and complain because your not?
25 Aug 2011, 16:35 pm
@keo(keo)-144: Why you being so hard on Oregan? Is it because he’s black?
25 Aug 2011, 16:36 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-135: under Verwoed the whites had their most peaceful and privileged time – did not make him right did it? There is so much wrong with the administration of the game and despite this we have our most ‘stable’ time. Talk about have a Ja broer in charge!
25 Aug 2011, 16:37 pm
@Helen(Helen)-147: No it is because he is spineless and has failed to deliver as a leader as per his promise in 2007
25 Aug 2011, 16:39 pm
@Mills_is_kak(p0ppa69)-146: he mills is kak, how is life?
25 Aug 2011, 16:39 pm
@keo(keo)-148: Yo Keo.. care to tell us about your Damascus moment or has the paymaster changed
25 Aug 2011, 16:40 pm
Another parallel to this lack of transformation of the Protea rugger side to a more acceptable pigmentation combination is the minority of Saffers with English speaking heritage in the team.
Basically, there are not enough souties in the Boks. No, I’m not talking about English speaking players, like John Smit (Smit is no soutie name), I am talking about proper souties like Lambie or James.
This may explain why players like Keegan Daniel were not selected.
This can also explain why the last verses of the National Anthem (In English…) are always unintelligible.
25 Aug 2011, 16:41 pm
@Markel77(Markel77)-145: don’t know spanish history, just enjoy their football.
25 Aug 2011, 16:41 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-151: ag no, not you again. Don’t you have a planet to save with all those calls and emails?
25 Aug 2011, 16:42 pm
In my house I grew up talking rugby with my dad, with my uncles, with my cousins, with my friends, with stories about the rugby exploits of my grandfather and his brothers and cousins and friends.
Most of my friends grew up in similar homes – excluding the nerdish pansies who didn’t care about sport.
Bottomline, rugby is part of my culture. I wasn’t introduced to it in school, or at a club, or by a bulletin board next to the highway with Beast’s picture on it, or by seeing some guy wearing a Bok jersey in the street.
Multiply that across the general white population. Particularly the Afrikaans population and you get a breeding ground that is guaranteed to generate good players every generation.
I would be very interested to know the extent of such a culture among the black population. We constantly hear about it in the Eastern Cape, but what about the rest of the country/ The Eastern Cape is only a small part of South Africa. And even there, rugby is not universally supported.
Are the Sothos as big about rugby?Are the Zulus, Pedis, Tswanas etc.?
I would wager that the part of the black population more than casually interested in rugby does not outnumber the white population greatly. And I would wager that the part of the black population actually engaged in playing rugby is even smaller.
And I would further wager that the part of the black population as fanatical about rugby as my family was when I was growing up – and still are – is outnumbered by the white population in this country.
So throwing around figures of 50 million people in SA but 5 million dominating the rugby scene is extremely misleading. it is more like 5 million vs 5 million – with half of the non-white 5 million being the Western Cape coloured community.
And even amongst that 5 million, the level of dedication, passion and fanaticism which made rugby a part of ones very culture – to the exclusion of almost any other sport – is found amongst only a small minority.
I wish someone could actually investigate this to set the record straight.
25 Aug 2011, 16:43 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-152: I see you assert that the Plumtree is a not a Nazi because the crowds in the stands cheer Beast… Plum is the crowd then??
25 Aug 2011, 16:43 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-151: google my name my path is well documented.
25 Aug 2011, 16:45 pm
@keo(keo)-148:
Well isn’t it then ironic that the very issue you’re criticizing him on is his alleged inability to implement a Verwoerdian style policy in SA rugby.
25 Aug 2011, 16:45 pm
I find the lack of Indian players, at all levels, unforgivable. And I don’t even think this issue has been raised in the House of Delegates.
25 Aug 2011, 16:48 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-156: There are more comparatively melanin rich players in the Protea rugger side than there are proper souties.
Prejudice all around if you really want to look for it.
25 Aug 2011, 16:50 pm
@Helen(Helen)-154: Flirting with me again.. attracted to bold bald men with loads of attitude??
.. Dating sites not working??
25 Aug 2011, 16:50 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-155: Great post. I agree wholeheartedly. The investment in transformation needs to happen in those intangible areas of publicity, market and word of mouth. You can’t force a culture (which is what our rugby fanaticsm is) onto an unsuspecting population.
It will also not happen overnight as the existing culture among afrikaners was painstakingly put together over a century.
There is no way that anyone will now get me all passionate about nude dwarf tossing, no matte how much fun it is. the sport is just not in my blood and I am too old to become a fanatic.
25 Aug 2011, 16:50 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-161: Yes findaloser dot com is offline at the mo
25 Aug 2011, 16:50 pm
I would say prejudice against souties ensured that a player like Brad Barrit went and found pastures new.
25 Aug 2011, 16:51 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-155: wagers and assumptions.
yes Tac, the assumption is that all Afrikaners were born loving rugby, it just happened like magic – you’re afrikaner, bang you love rugby.
25 Aug 2011, 16:51 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-156: You making about as much sense as Transformation now…
25 Aug 2011, 16:52 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-159: Did you cut and paste that from 1983 Hansards?
2 points for your attempt to be funny, but you lose both points for being who you are.
25 Aug 2011, 16:52 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-160: blame the coaches
25 Aug 2011, 16:54 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-164: There is no way that you can claim that with any authority. There are many, many afrikaners playing all over the world.
Bottom line is that we need a 100% black developemnet team that plays 2nd tier nations and serve as a feeder team for the national team. Quotas don’t work
25 Aug 2011, 16:54 pm
Prejudice against souties ensured that Kitch Christie and Nick Mallet could not continue their good work and outstanding records as coaches.
(A note: Jake White is not a soutie. He was not born a “White”)
25 Aug 2011, 16:55 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-164: and they put a donkey in front of him
25 Aug 2011, 16:55 pm
@keo(keo)-157: Loads of detours and u-turns I presume.. I think that the paymaster has changed.. You did write Chesters book and then found out that white people don’t like to be confronted with reallity so you prostituted yourself to the Nazi’s. Tell us about how you got to employ Simon??
25 Aug 2011, 16:55 pm
I agree with keo, what has hoskins done in the last 4 years? Controversially selected pdivvy, no kings in super rugga and no 7 coloured or black players in starting line up at WC
25 Aug 2011, 16:56 pm
@Helen(Helen)-167: Who are you again?
25 Aug 2011, 16:56 pm
@Helen(Helen)-169: “There is no way that you can claim that with any authority. There are many, many afrikaners playing all over the world.”… Your Point?
I say non-souties have the freedom to play where they want. Souties are denied the option of playing for the country of their birth… just for being a soutie.
25 Aug 2011, 16:57 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-165:
That post doesn’t make sense other than displaying a deep underlying desire to engineer which sports a society should support or not support.
How about letting them do what they want, rather than trying to get black support for rugby up to some target percentage?
Have you checked the black polo playing percentage lately? I reckon that needs even more work than rugby to get to a level that meets your artificially generated ratios.
Next time you see Sipho kicking a soccer ball down a Motherwell street, beta wena, give him a hiding, deflate his soccer ball with your pocket knife and stuff a Gilbert into his arms, cause he is not contributing to achieving your social engineering goals on the sporting front.
25 Aug 2011, 16:58 pm
@keo(keo)-157: keo, don’t worry about this idiot youknowwho, I sorted him out in an alley earlier today. ripped his skinny arm off and beat him to a pulp with the stump.
I get your point. Whether you believe in transformation or not, Oregan needs to be held accountable for his promise of 4 years ago. That is the kind of society we need / want. Such promises can’t be made and broken without consequences. I am with you, but I am also scared of what we might get if Oregan falls on his sword
25 Aug 2011, 16:58 pm
the jews the jews where are the jews?
I would also like to see more handicapped people playing rugby (apart from the lions obviously).
25 Aug 2011, 16:59 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-171: Ja. They put a blonde Donkey before a gifted melanin rich player before a soutie…
So the hierarchy in descending order:
1. Melanin challenged Donkey
2. Melanin rich usurper
3. Soutie Barrit
Souties always at the bottom of the list.
Souties are clearly discriminated against the most.
25 Aug 2011, 16:59 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-176: Tact, you are wise beyond your years. I like your thinking.
25 Aug 2011, 16:59 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-178: Bwhahahahahahahahahahahah
25 Aug 2011, 17:01 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-178: Yes. Even Danie Craven said that the Boks need a Jew to perform at peak ability.
25 Aug 2011, 17:01 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-164: Prejudice manifest itself in many ways.. I have Europeans friends who get treated like sh it out here.. I stood up for a Kosovan work colleague when she got associated with Eastern European gangs and prostitutes.. All she wanted to do was to be respected as a competent QS.. Thats why I hate Nazis.. wherever they are born
25 Aug 2011, 17:02 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-172: highbury safika media…investigate the safika and you will see v.cuba and s.macozoma in the mix
25 Aug 2011, 17:02 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-175: Where has an englishman found it difficult getting picked for the boks??? where, oh where??
If you lost out on a spot in the wine league combined XV, maybe it is because you are slow, fat, stupid and annoying and not because you’re english? just a thought
25 Aug 2011, 17:03 pm
Personally I couldn’t give two hoots what Hoskins said 4 years ago about transformation because I do not agree with racially manipulating sports teams. It’s akin to the policies of Apartheid and as such is morally contemptible. Keo’s feigned indignance quite laughable really.
I would rather my government invest its time [and tax payers' money] in ways that make a real difference – such as improving job prospects, infrastructure, housing, education and health systems.
Sport is a matter of choice and cream always rises to the top. If you are good enough and train hard – no matter your upbringing, culture or living environment – you will make it.
But never start thinking that you are somehow owed something in this life. Because you are not.
25 Aug 2011, 17:03 pm
@Helen(Helen)-131: lolololololololololololololololololololololol, ok I do believe you do have balls.
25 Aug 2011, 17:03 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-183: I am prejudiced against QS’s. They got no imagination and they can’t count.
My dirty little prejudice secret. (Similar to your prejudice against nazis, I suppose)
25 Aug 2011, 17:03 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-179: 2. Melanin rich usurper = mannetjies de jongh???
25 Aug 2011, 17:03 pm
@ Gunther(gunther)
25 Aug 2011, 17:04 pm
@Helen(Helen)-185: Go to post 179. Do not pass go if you don’t understand.
25 Aug 2011, 17:04 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-159: lol
25 Aug 2011, 17:06 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-189: Yeah. “Usurper” being from the point of view of the comparatively incompetent privileged blonde donkey incumbent.
25 Aug 2011, 17:06 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-176: i don’t carry a pocket knife
anyway cheers folks, gym calls
25 Aug 2011, 17:07 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-194:
Humewood?
25 Aug 2011, 17:08 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-170: You are an idiot!!!! So Kitch and Mallet stopped being coach because of their home language??? But Viljoen, Du Plessis, Strauli stopped being coach for different reasons???
25 Aug 2011, 17:08 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-188: I think you have many little secrets.. but I think that you probably don’t like a specific QS rather than all of them.. My Kosovan friend is quite hot.. you will change your mind
25 Aug 2011, 17:08 pm
Having said that the R300million + which has been set aside for new cabinet ministers’ houses and luxury cars could go a long way to building new sports facilities in poor areas, and bursaries for poor kids to attend private schools.
How about the R100million + set aside for that totally useless “Youth” Conference?
How about the millions wasted each month by government departments renting empty buildings?
“Transformation” is about encouraging kids to play rugby so that in future SA can choose from a much wider player pool, not about tinkering with your national, Super and Currie Cup teams (the upper echelons) and weakening the end product.
25 Aug 2011, 17:10 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-178: And what about midgets, hermaphrodites and gingers?
I know Province has one, but I suspect he’s a token.
A ginger, that is. The hermaphrodite is still unconfirmed.
25 Aug 2011, 17:10 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-178: lol
25 Aug 2011, 17:10 pm
@Helen(Helen)-196: No they were “stopped” because they were souties. Viljoen, Du Plessis and Straueli were “stopped” because they were farken incompetent.
Understand numbnuts?
25 Aug 2011, 17:11 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-184: I think Sakkie got shut up by the money too.. Him and Marks secret tryst
25 Aug 2011, 17:11 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-178:
Handling the commentary
25 Aug 2011, 17:12 pm
Hoskins should be accountable for what? Money talks and the provinces will select teams that will ensure that sponsorships, especially TV, continue. Hoskins is accountable for keeping the game in good financial health rather than the number of black faces in the team. Business is business.
25 Aug 2011, 17:12 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-199:
Hahaha!
The alleged hermaphrodite in the changeroom is probably the closest most of that squad comes to female companionship!
25 Aug 2011, 17:15 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-197: Secrets?So many. Definitely. Some naughty little ones and then some big elephant ones. Your Kosovan is probably quite a looker, but I guarantee you it will be hard to match the little Polish girl who came to clean HG’s hut twice weekly. Banshee got rid of her. Banshee has much prejudice against blonde polish house cleaners.
25 Aug 2011, 17:17 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-198:
Well your argument is the equivalent of SA Rugby spending R27,000,000-00 to keep the Eastern Cape out of super rugby.
Where is your crying and gnashing of teeth for this?
Or is this selective memory?
25 Aug 2011, 17:18 pm
Meanwhile SA Rugby has given their blessing for the players to have intacourse during the RWC with their partners (for whom they will have to pay to be there)
25 Aug 2011, 17:19 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-199: Hermaphrodite… Meisiekind ?
25 Aug 2011, 17:20 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-206: I saw a reallity show about Au Pairs similar to the apprentice.. same thing.. The hot Russian was not chosen… Funny thing is that she lost out to a black dude. Even funnier.. The madame/employer claimed to be South Africa
25 Aug 2011, 17:21 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-39:
I don’t know the answer to that but there may be a good answer. We can assume that it is evil
25 Aug 2011, 17:23 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-206: lol, some of you guys are hysterical, good way to lighten my day.
25 Aug 2011, 17:23 pm
@Gordon Gekko(Gordon Gekko)-207: Why would SA rugby “spend” R27 mill to keep Eastern Cape out of Super rugby when the EC are perfectly capable themselves of doing it all for free.
They have been doing it for years – too incompetent, too corrupt and just not good enough… all on their own… for free.
Hellsteeth man. You logic is farked.
25 Aug 2011, 17:23 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-42:
Transformation need not equal non merit selections.
It can mean extra development money pumped in at the right levels.
See my argument at
@Biscuit(Biscuit)-8:
25 Aug 2011, 17:24 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-210:
LOL
25 Aug 2011, 17:24 pm
@Biscuit(Biscuit)-214:
I would fully support that.
25 Aug 2011, 17:25 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-213: The facts are that the kings were preceded by the Spears… and it took that amount to kill off the spears
25 Aug 2011, 17:26 pm
yes Tac, humewood
25 Aug 2011, 17:26 pm
Why is Mark specifically stating that ‘it is not Peter de Villiers’ fault’ ?
Is a book similar to Jake’s on the cards? I know he wrote Chester’s.
25 Aug 2011, 17:28 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-219: Change of Paymaster Mr Sheriff
.. but most whites are ok with that.. money supposedly talks in their world
25 Aug 2011, 17:31 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-220:
Shaun is that you?
Funny I did not see your earlier comment, went back just now and saw you also referred to Chester’s book
When I see Mark and his facial expression I just hear: So, what are you waiting for? Get your copy of the book na-ow
25 Aug 2011, 17:34 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-212: This is serious
25 Aug 2011, 17:34 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-218:
Hope you’re in time for the killer abs session
25 Aug 2011, 17:34 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-221: Mark dropped all references to cricket on Keo to prevent discussion and promotion of Herchelle Gibbs book.. Fking good read. No BS like all of Marks PR clients
25 Aug 2011, 17:37 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-217: But the Spears are the Kings are the Elephants are the Queens… etc, etc…
A Gratis, Free, Farkup all on their ownsome.
They should just dissolve and accept the Sharks as their home Union. Maybe the mighty Sharks can play a couple of games in the new PE stadium to give the EC something to really shout about.
Good crowd at games though.
25 Aug 2011, 17:38 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-224:
Funny you refer to that book
I bought it recently but progressed so far as to read Gary K’s foreword
25 Aug 2011, 17:41 pm
Transformation should be taking place from age 8 to 18.
It’s purpose should be to encourage black kids who wouldn’t ordinarily play rugby to start.
You do this by improving access to facilities and coaching (through junior clubs) and fostering a love for the game – free tickets to stadiums for kids and free to air rugby on SABC. That’s where the government’s and SARU’s money should be going.
25 Aug 2011, 17:42 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-225: Why should PE/EC miss out on a promotional opportunity.. Having your own Franchise is massive in terms Tourism and general business promotion.. I thought you would have a better understanding of the Evironment and Structure of business.
25 Aug 2011, 17:44 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-226: I read half of the book on a flight from JHB to Madrid.. captivating
25 Aug 2011, 17:52 pm
Cheers guys!
Have to dash
25 Aug 2011, 17:52 pm
Out too..til later
25 Aug 2011, 18:08 pm
Keo,, you are worng. Transformation needs to happen at a school and club level. SARU should be dumping all their money into promoting rugby in majority black schools – put up the fileds, supply the coaches… you can’t suddenly become a rugby player when you enter the Currie Cup. Right now, most of our black players, like our white players, are coming from traditional rugby powerhouse schools – because they have the best coaches, gyms, weight regimes, etc. South Africa will never tap into its vast wealth of potential payers while selection is limited to whether you attended Grey Bloem, or elite schools like Michaelhouse. SARU needs to make those same opportunities available to kids from rural KZN, from Attridgeville, from King Williamstown – the places of the country that are neglected by all. Black kids will flock to the game if it is well resourced.
25 Aug 2011, 18:15 pm
I find watching Keo TV a ball ache so haven’t even bothered watching.
But just on the title, I have mentioned this before:
‘What legacy will Hoskins leave behind?’
So he does not upset the apple-cart, some think that’s a good thing, I don’t.
You are a leader, leaders instigate change and there is a lot of things in SA Rugby that need(ed) changing.
SA Rugby needs leaders, not mediators.
25 Aug 2011, 18:17 pm
The sad thing is very few people are intrested in giving young black kids a chance 2 play the game they love. For the past three years i have bn around the province of KZN in places like Richmond and KwaMaphumulo getn kids intrested and playing. This i have done at my own expense because coperate south africa and all the lovely people who claim to love this game and country are never intrested (including this proud site). So why throw blame around whe we are all intresting in preserving how things are? Next year i am hoping to get a few more schools going but in all honesty a single person is just that. Maybe people should get off the fence and get involved…
25 Aug 2011, 18:26 pm
@skunk(skunk)-234:
Very few people are interested in getting off their asses mate. I got tired of farting against thunder personally.
25 Aug 2011, 18:55 pm
Morne thats sad but very true. I do it for the love. I hope in time things improve but as u said farting against the wind mate…
25 Aug 2011, 19:07 pm
@skunk(skunk)-236:
I feel you buddy.
People like you really making a difference get no support.
I applaud you for your determination. I just got tired to be honest. Guys like you are the real heroes in rugby, I know how tough it is.
25 Aug 2011, 19:12 pm
Well i wouldnt say I’m a hero jus an ardent beleiver in this lovely game. Speaking of which. I will try email you pictures of the Easter tournement i will host next year funds allowing…
25 Aug 2011, 19:16 pm
@skunk(skunk)-238:
Knowing what you do and the sacrifice it takes mate, you are a hero to those kids whose lives you change.
Send them off, will publish it with pleasure as well as any future projects you have coming up, just maybe a good samaritan sees it and helps to sponsor some of these events and projects.
25 Aug 2011, 19:28 pm
good on you skunk, well done mate.
25 Aug 2011, 19:30 pm
Finally. Two sensible posters.
25 Aug 2011, 19:30 pm
Yeah or we lucky and peole join in and take an intrest thats probably d bigger target….
But i wil definately keep you connected with how things go…
25 Aug 2011, 19:31 pm
Sorry, three!
25 Aug 2011, 19:36 pm
Thanks Transie.
Why thank you your highness..
25 Aug 2011, 19:41 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-243: aww thanks Dawn.
25 Aug 2011, 19:46 pm
@skunk(skunk)-242:
Be sure to mail me dude, I am sure I can assist in providing some goodies those clubs and schools can use in a raffle to generate funds.
25 Aug 2011, 19:49 pm
Keo always trying to stir trouble. You were happy when Brian van Rooyen was ousted by the President’s Council. On the other hand you are a President’s Council critic. I really do not get you. You are the know it all of rugby…doubt that very much.
Under Brian van Rooyen SARU turned its first profit in a long time. He started to get the wheels going on transformation but he did not have the support of the big guns. Under his presidency we had an u21 and u19 world cup and it is in this very tenure that Jake White’s foundation for 2007WC win was laid.
Now there’s a man who was ousted for other reasons and i am sure they were not rugby reasons because he delivered on his mandate. Oregan was always going to struggle coming in after van Rooyen. His task was to ensure that he is more mild mannered than Brian and that meant he had to keep a low profile and do a very tough balancing act. I think he has done just that.
He has in fact pleased the President’s Council and maintained the status quo. He did what i expected him to do and i cannot call for his head now.
Whoever comes in must really bring in a plan of how the boks can win 40 in 50 tests in between world cups. If a new president can deliver on that promise then it is fine by me.
25 Aug 2011, 19:52 pm
The concept of transformation needs to be clearly defined and maybe ditched altogether, dare I say it. From a rugby context, the the broad misgiuded assumption is that teams MUST, in an ideal world, mirror the demographics of a country. If I have got this wriong, then please correct me. To me it seems that all discussions about the transformation subject are centred on this argument as a given truth if you like. This is completely wrong and a sure recepie for resentment and increased polarisation and division, the consequences of which our children will pay for without a doubt. Instead, EQUAL OPPORTUNITY should be the goal and focus. That is, any child should be allowed the opportunity to realise their full potential in whatever field THEY CHOOSE. That is where resources should and must be targeted and not on a race-based numbers game. The best talent coupled with hard work, dedication, discipline etc. will then rise to the top and be rewarded. Surely this is the transparent and logical path South Africa must take. On what scientific grounds MUST the national team represent the the racial demographics of a country? It is a completely absurd concept just as it would be to expect the majority of the world’s high jumpers to come from China or India; a possibility but not necessarily a given natural expectation.
25 Aug 2011, 19:54 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-241:
Hey Dawn, I trust that the hook-up with UFO went down well? Sorry I could not make it.
25 Aug 2011, 19:57 pm
Ahem
25 Aug 2011, 20:00 pm
Funny thing is Keo’s “squad that would never be” had fewer black players in it…
25 Aug 2011, 20:12 pm
@skunk(skunk)-242: skunk, i asked the other day but didnt see your answer, how are the kwantu guys doing?
25 Aug 2011, 20:12 pm
i see one of gunther’s family members got arrested in austria for imprisoning his daugters and repeatedly raping them.these german speaking k unts just sickens me.
25 Aug 2011, 20:15 pm
@skunk(skunk)-234: great work skunk but do me one favour…..just keep gunther and rangerman away from those black boys.
25 Aug 2011, 20:19 pm
To be quite honest who cares about transformation?
Surely if you are good enough it will be hard to not use you in a team. Coaches want to win and will do so with the best players at their disposal.
Transformation by numbers will be an injustice to many
25 Aug 2011, 20:19 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-116:
Ag shame…..
Perhaps those boys picked at age group level were the real quotas. That is where we experiment is it not. In Super and test rugby, all that counts is money and winning = money.
25 Aug 2011, 20:20 pm
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-253: I fail to see if this is funny, serious or just plain nasty
Please explain
25 Aug 2011, 20:21 pm
@Sannie Bill Who??iams(Xkreni-WP)-256: Sannie exactly my point. Did SANZAR not ry and protect this by claiming that the best players available should play at all times, except where there are injuries?
25 Aug 2011, 20:23 pm
@ Tecumseh(Tecumseh) didn’t you get the msg left for you on the other thread? Stop your nonsense man, you’re making this site ffucking unpleasant!
25 Aug 2011, 20:23 pm
Does our Parliamentary Sports committee not have anything better to do with their time? FFS do we even need political interference in sport? NO!
From IOL.
The SA Rugby Union and SuperSport will be brought before Parliament’s portfolio committee on sport after musician Ard Matthews bungled the national anthem on Tuesday in a live television broadcast.
The committee said on Thursday it did not find joy in an embarrassing event witnessed by the whole nation.
Matthews forgot some of the words to Nkosi Sikelel’ iAfrika before Saru named the 30-man Sprinbok squad to play in next month’s Rugby World Cup in New Zealand.
“This embarrassing incident occurred at a moment when we were celebrating the victory of the Springboks winning the game against New Zealand in Port Elizabeth on Saturday.”
The portfolio committee said Saru and SuperSport would appear at its next meeting to explain the “debacle” and avoid such “embarrassments” in the future.
Matthews, the lead singer of rock band Just Jinjer, and SuperSport apologised for the bungle on Wednesday. – Sapa
25 Aug 2011, 20:24 pm
One twat is back
25 Aug 2011, 20:24 pm
@JL1(JL1)-257: THIS IS NO JOKE.go to news24 to confirm what gunther’s nazi-loving austrian family member was up to.
25 Aug 2011, 20:26 pm
@ wooden spoon(wooden spoon) 261 – ard was so **** that even ras dumasani complaint about it
25 Aug 2011, 20:26 pm
Sorry, two.
25 Aug 2011, 20:28 pm
@NoRugbyGuru_0_(RugbyGuru_0_)-259: i left you one myself.
you can have a great laugh when rangerman and gunther makes despicable comments but when i meet them head on you all of a sudden becomes the morality police and lose your knickers because i dared to challenge your beloved white brothers. 
25 Aug 2011, 20:28 pm
@ dawn, does it mean I’m number 2?
25 Aug 2011, 20:29 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-260: I support the government on this one.
25 Aug 2011, 20:30 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-264: whaaatareyoutalkin’about?
25 Aug 2011, 20:31 pm
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-262: So no need for it on Keo, talk rugby or any other nonsense, but above board
25 Aug 2011, 20:33 pm
Hey man even the great Ella Fitzgerald got the words to Mack the Knife wrong in Berlin, 1960. Singers do it all the time.
25 Aug 2011, 20:33 pm
once again tecumseh was proved right today,especially reading on news24 what gunther’s uncle did to his poor daughters,that white men have this perverted sexual gene deeply imbedded in their make-up.
25 Aug 2011, 20:34 pm
@ Tecumseh(Tecumseh) 265- no mate, some of the stuff you say is sickening and totally uncalled for, keep it real man
25 Aug 2011, 20:36 pm
I’m off. I need to go flush a Capo down the loo.
25 Aug 2011, 20:36 pm
Tecumtwat and xkrenitwat
25 Aug 2011, 20:37 pm
@JL1(JL1)-269: go tell that to your uncouth buddy gunther. it’s a well known fact here on keo that white okes and maybe dawn never reprimand their own kind.get of your high morality horse first and go knock on your despicable buddies doors first.
25 Aug 2011, 20:37 pm
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-265: Should call Ras Dumasani as well
25 Aug 2011, 20:38 pm
@NoRugbyGuru_0_(RugbyGuru_0_)-272: what is sickening.the fact of the matter is that gunther’s uncle repeatedly raped his daughters in austria.deal with it.
25 Aug 2011, 20:39 pm
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-275: No time to check all the posts
Yours were on my page as I opened
25 Aug 2011, 20:39 pm
@JL1(JL1)-276: what!…a comrade.don’t be silly now.
25 Aug 2011, 20:41 pm
@ dawn, peew the relief
are you watching boots & all? John robbie knows his rugby
25 Aug 2011, 20:41 pm
Is he dronk?
25 Aug 2011, 20:42 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-274: HOWDY KERB CRAWLER.
25 Aug 2011, 20:43 pm
Silly norugyguru.
What does john robbie know about rugby. He is white!
25 Aug 2011, 20:44 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-281: i had some money on you last night that you would grab helen’s ball in an oil wrestling match.don’t be nasty with me now.
25 Aug 2011, 20:45 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-283: RACIST!
25 Aug 2011, 20:46 pm
Aagh shut up you dumbass.
25 Aug 2011, 20:47 pm
@ dawn, eish, the virus is spreading and affecting innocent people
25 Aug 2011, 20:48 pm
Helen is a wannabe obsessed with her vokken periods
Yawn
25 Aug 2011, 20:49 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-286: come on now prawny.don’t be nasty.
25 Aug 2011, 20:52 pm
Am not getting involved in talk with eedjits. Will be back when more sensible people are back.
25 Aug 2011, 20:52 pm
@NoRugbyGuru_0_(RugbyGuru_0_)-287: apparently the austrian police is investigating whether gunther’s uncle provided the rentboy with any cousins….hopefully no male cousins because gunther would go onto town with them.
25 Aug 2011, 20:53 pm
this piece of half bred scum that crawled out the cape flats gutter and comes spews his half bred filth on open public websites thinking he’s either funny or clever or half arsed educated or full blown idiotic is simply downright outright scum filth trash that is not worthy to even equate himself with any human status.. The scum piece of half bred piece of filth garbage that calls himself clever names he discovers off the internet is outright puerile garbage and should be obliterated from this website let alone obliterated from mankind.
Go crawl back in your hole you piece of scum garbage filth conniving capo trash
25 Aug 2011, 20:53 pm
keo, make yourself familiar with SARU’s transformation charter and all its details, from there you will get perspective as to whether regan has failed or succeeded.
Just trying to nail him on the basis of a press statement will just end up as a cheap publicity ploy.
The world cup is in 2 weeks time, let’s no look for a ‘staaldraad’ when there’s none
25 Aug 2011, 20:54 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-290: go oil that body mama prawny! helen doesn’t stand a chance.
25 Aug 2011, 20:55 pm
The concern in the AB camp is growing, that’s for sure.
I’m beginning to see signs of nervousness or anxiety or deep concern. The tough decisions needed to be made; now it’s one more NB game for them before the big occasion.
The scrunity will begin to increase with every passing day.
AB fans will look for nervousness, uncertainty in the voice , the odd twitching of the voice- which we all know is not a good space to be in
25 Aug 2011, 20:56 pm
@ dawn, I 2nd that notion! @ skop, amen brother amen
I’m outa here as well
25 Aug 2011, 20:59 pm
the day i believe helen is a man is the day i believed skoppie really got mugged in site 5.me thinks he was getting it down with those well oiled rugby playing xhosa mamas when their boyfriends discovered his dirty township secret.they just wanted to teach him a lesson and the next day he cried mugging on keo.interesting to note that there is no police record of the incident.
25 Aug 2011, 21:02 pm
sheriff: graham henry is making jokes about the wallabies transfering the pressure on to deans
25 Aug 2011, 21:03 pm
i wonder whether the delusional skoppie has finally decided where he was born?last time he was still struggling to find out whether springs is a town in israel or gauteng.
25 Aug 2011, 21:07 pm
this is to you skunk:
“It is from numberless diverse
acts of courage and belief that human history
is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an
ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or
strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a
tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other
from a million different centers of energy
and daring, those ripples build a current that
can sweep down the mightiest walls of
oppression and resistance.”
25 Aug 2011, 21:08 pm
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-297: ah, so you are a public servant eh?
25 Aug 2011, 21:11 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-300: very sweet.
you dont really qualify unfortunately.
i do though so thanks for making me feel great!
25 Aug 2011, 21:13 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-301: what! and miss out on that bee millions-don’t be silly now.
25 Aug 2011, 21:14 pm
I think th escrutiny will become unbearable.
The desire and expectation of an unreasonable and judgmental nation
25 Aug 2011, 21:15 pm
what happened now to that predator,skopskiet?
25 Aug 2011, 21:19 pm
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-303: you couldnt get your hand on millions even if you worked for the reserve bank sonny.
25 Aug 2011, 21:25 pm
@ 302: typical rangerman
25 Aug 2011, 21:26 pm
See the ABs have to win this weekend’s match to take the Bledisloe Cup; they cannot adopt an attitude that they are now focussed on the RWC.
Same applies to the Wallabies.
What if major injuries, say to a Quade or Daniel come out of this week?
These are some of the variables and or permutations that will be on the coaching staff’s minds.
So it will be an intense 80 min only to count for very little a week later, pretty cruel if you ask me.
From there on… of course the big one. The opening ceremony, the fireworks, the countless interviews and little events where the ABs will need to share their thoughts.
I expect several incidents (tomfoolery) as the days and weeks drag on.
It will be a case of AB fans wanting reassurance in every interview, every practice session, every event saying that they will do the business but no one will say it outright.
No Kiwi interviewer will ask the question outright? Can we go all the way? But all the questions and nuances will actually imply it.
Look out for SA commentators on Kiwi prog in their irrational desire to gauge the SA mindset or desire of the Boks to win again.
It’s gonna be a cliffhanger, that’s for sure…
25 Aug 2011, 21:29 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-307: call it typical buddy but if you make it your business to stir and belittle then forget about your positive actions acting like a little wave blah blah blah.
i do enjoy your comments transie but i just think sometimes your motives are suspect.
then again, we are poles apart i suppose so dont take it personally.
i am out, tjorts.
25 Aug 2011, 21:34 pm
half bred scum like this is the scum that lowers the common denomination of humanity below that of any animal… this piece of half bred half witted garbage scum that thinks its clever is lower than a filthy rotten half bred ignorant uneducated trash talking filthy rat.
Scum garbage of the absolute worst kind in any society is this piece of filthy capo scum infested rat..
People come on here either to talk some rugby or else to banter among each other in a reasonably civilized manner… where it sometimes borders on the razors edge of inhumane filth, it occasionally resembles a whorehouse in ovulation, … however the outright trash that regurgitates from out this half breed piece of scums mind who thinks he has some kind of moralistic disposition to declare principles of morality by his pseudo garbage infested ratification, is the absolute worst piece of filthy rotten regurgitated trash anyone could ever have the misfortune of acquainting themselves with.
this capo scum is the worst piece of outright filth this website has ever had the misfortune of entertaining…and if such be the levels it so desires to stoop to then better it gets its head out its arse and start reevaluating what denotes reasonable principles of communication and what don’t..
I may have been bordering on the thin edge of inappropriate behavior here often enough and the numerous bannings of my Id’s speak for themselves, but this outright piece of inherently filthy garbage scum stoops well below any level of acceptable interaction… so if they want to continue in this medium of despicable lowlife entertainment…. let them count the cost of the reactions that simply are abhorred by such outright scum infested unscrupulous garbage behavioral trash.
25 Aug 2011, 21:43 pm
Sham, too much bitching without making any point.
25 Aug 2011, 21:45 pm
and you’re the arbiter of goodwill on this forum, making judgements on me & everyone hey?
You must be suffering from a heavy bout of black pantilitis
25 Aug 2011, 21:49 pm
@ashampoopaloo: who are you referring to? I must say your last two posts are over the top. They perpetuate what you are trying to avoid.
Who is your next SARU President and why?
25 Aug 2011, 21:51 pm
b’tch away… some scum here are simply abhorrent pieces of lowlife despicable filth… you wanna associate with such outright scum filth… keep going… wallow in the trash
Outright Scum like some the half bred trash here that pretends to be educated or clever is worst garbage filth under the sun… scum of the absolute worst kind.. pity it ever took human birth because I swear to God it ain’t half human…. it belies its breeding or its humanity .. it is SCUM of the absolute worst filthy kind … second to none.
25 Aug 2011, 21:51 pm
madvillain: he is talking to tecumseh the gu who called a k*ff!r on this blog…
25 Aug 2011, 21:53 pm
*who called me
25 Aug 2011, 22:02 pm
@ Transie;
ukuba bendinguwe bendizakubayeka ngoku. akufananwa yaye abafuni kuguquka kwaphela abaninzi. ithi ke loo nto thanda umbhoxo lo wakho ubayeke xa bengafuni ukuthetha inyani.
eyona nto yenzekayo umdlalo wombhoxo uyayazi. bayeke. nam ndiyadikwa ngezinye imini kodwa niqonda ukuba mandithethe ngezombhoxo kuphela kuba abaninzi abanalwazi ngobomi bomntu omnyama.
25 Aug 2011, 22:03 pm
yeah its over the top Madvillain.. pity it takes over the top reaction to fleece out filthy half bred trash and spew it down the toilet of its own scum infested habitation .. there are some individuals in this creation … and pity is they are free to air their intoxicated self infested hatred in a publicly published domain … who are simply not worthy to be equated with the human species.. in fact you may find they are not human if you scratch away the surface of their scaly reptilian skins you will find outright venom infested veins and sinews of despicable poisonous hatred and inhumane judgment which does not represent or resemble a human being ONE LITTLE BIT..
Next SARU president is hardly any of my concerns.. as far as rugby goes in relation to its somewhat relative importance in the grander scheme of things here… I am simply concerned whether they are going to go for the toffee apple pie in the sky opportunistic endeavor to hail John Smit as the greatest Bok rugby captain and play him up front in the world cup hooking pecking order.. or by some last minute miracle see reason and realize that the TEAM comes first and the INDIVIDUAL is a nonentity NOBODY !!
That is all I’m currently evaluating with regard to the next chapter in Springbok rugby attributes and ambitions.
25 Aug 2011, 22:06 pm
@ Transie; if i were you i would get off the transformation subject as it typically lends itself to racism, which some bloggers are accustomed to.
You know the game of rugby, stick to what you know. I too get tired of fighting “petty” battles on transformation. I choose to dwell on matters that are rugby related because most people who prefer to call black people infidels do not know much about the daily struggles on the other side.
Now that is out of the way, what’s your take on Brian van Rooyen vs. Oregan Hoskins?
Do you have anyone in mind for the presidency of SARU?
Your take on the new currie cup format?
25 Aug 2011, 22:08 pm
317 & 319 are more or less the same thing.
25 Aug 2011, 22:11 pm
ndiyakuva mntakwethu, nam ndithethela nje ukuba bayazi ukuba asibuyi ngamva ngapha koko nje kukuncokola nje wena.
25 Aug 2011, 22:19 pm
Pot k@k as jy my vra. It’s shocking that there are so few whites in the NBA, and so few blacks in the NHL. They, the North Americans, better sort that shite out. At least 75% of the NBA should be white, and at least 15% of the NHL should be black. Not even talking about the Spanish and First Nation people. Damn disgrace.
25 Aug 2011, 22:22 pm
correct those posts are specifically and exactly the same thing… they are directed directly at the single unscrupulous inhumane garbage filth that comes on here posing as intelligence . and therefore such outright scum infested filth begets what it perpetuates… you ever hear of the saying sleep with dogs and you will undoubtedly get flees, continue associating with scum … and such will be the level of the interaction… how possibly could it be anything other?
25 Aug 2011, 22:23 pm
Transie, that sad mofo is just that. Agree with skop here.
25 Aug 2011, 22:24 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-323: Vir wie is jy so kwaad?
25 Aug 2011, 22:28 pm
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-322:
Please explain “first nation people”. No doubt you think it’s a clever replacement for black.
25 Aug 2011, 22:30 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-316:
19.keo said:
25 Aug 2011, 14:21 pm
This is what Hoskins said in 2007 after the Bok squad announcement. This is why he has failed the game.
Hoskins, in an interview with the Independent Group newspapers at the weekend, has set a target of at least seven players of colour in the Springbok starting XV in the 2011 Rugby World Cup.
Hoskins, at the weekend, again emphasises the fact that the game’s administrators, and not the national selectors, would be judged on transformation.
“At the announcement of the 2007 World Cup squad I said the administration – and not the national selectors – must take the blame for the slow pace of transformation,” Hoskins was quoted as saying in the Independent Group newspapers.
“We had to act immediately to address it, but there had to be substance to our way forward. There is no quick fix and we had to agree on a target for 2011. We have to ensure that every opportunity is created so that the national selectors can meet this target in the next four years.”
Hoskins emphasised that he was looking at a targets, not quotas.
“We, as the game’s leadership, must take charge of transformation issues. There can be no turning back on our commitment to change. We are not forcing the national coach to pick seven or eight black players in 2008. It is a target we believe can be achieved by the next World Cup when we can confidently say the Springboks represent everyone in South Africa, and that every player in the starting XV is there on merit. ‘
Regan, the same two coloured wingers who started in the 2007 RWC final, and a black import from Zimbabwe is who will start four years later. You said it in 2007, blame the administration. So I am blaming you and that is why you should go.
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21.Transformation said:
25 Aug 2011, 14:25 pm
@keo(keo)-19: spot on
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293.Transformation said:
25 Aug 2011, 20:53 pm
keo, make yourself familiar with SARU’s transformation charter and all its details, from there you will get perspective as to whether regan has failed or succeeded.
Just trying to nail him on the basis of a press statement will just end up as a cheap publicity ploy.
The world cup is in 2 weeks time, let’s no look for a ‘staaldraad’ when there’s none
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25 Aug 2011, 22:34 pm
You are correct Agent. I want cuotas for my hispanic brothers
¡¡¡Welcome to Tijuana, Tequila sexo y marihuana!!!
25 Aug 2011, 22:34 pm
@David(David)-326: Google it. No, not black, not white. Tsk. Official term used by the Government, and by the “people” themselves.
Next time, before you see things that are not there, remove your “everything-has-to-do-with-black-and-white” brilletjies. Not everyone has an obsession/desire to prove something/guilty conscience.
25 Aug 2011, 22:34 pm
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-325: jy kan mos raai as jy wil .. maar daai stuk sleg skuim is liewers ver weg van enege iemand se gedagtes…. los die fkkn sleg stuk siekte uit.. en konsentreer liewers op iets meer posetief..
25 Aug 2011, 22:39 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-330: ET? He’s enjoys making you upset. Relax.
25 Aug 2011, 22:43 pm
who is trying to transform what… like keo trying to transform rugby… like Jake Whites Winning Ways enlightening endeavors…seriously some idiots are lost in the wilderness of their own deluded daydreams … who’s trying to fool whom ???
Hoskins is still daylight ahead of some nobody nincompoop journalists who hold others accountable for something they themselves are still eons and light years away from understanding or beginning to fathom or appreciate.
25 Aug 2011, 22:45 pm
The good thing about people like capo is that they always meet a sticky end.
Sooner or later.
25 Aug 2011, 22:46 pm
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-329:
Bullsh*t. I’m not seeing things that aren’t there. You introduced it and think you’re being clever with snide euphemisms.
25 Aug 2011, 22:51 pm
@David(David)-334: I was making a sarcastic ******* joke man. See the ******* smiley? It has nothing to do with your life ambition to get a high from classifying everything into black and white hopies k@k. Rather be a man and apologise, or leave me alone. I’m not in the mood for snake-level conversations. If you dont know your history, or the difference between Chinese and Russian, Mexican and German, or Black and First Nation, it’s not my problem.
25 Aug 2011, 22:51 pm
Cmon David, first nation people = native americans
25 Aug 2011, 22:54 pm
@Markel77(Markel77)-336: Close, but a little more complex. Basic idea yes. First Nation says exactly what it says. The first people to reside in North America, specifically Canada.
25 Aug 2011, 22:59 pm
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-335:
@Markel77(Markel77)-336:
My apologies about the native americans. I’m just sick and tired of comparisons between the US and SA regarding racial makeup of sports teams. As for seeing things as black/white on a thread devoted to that, yes I do.
25 Aug 2011, 23:03 pm
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-331: nee sy gatgabba, sy tweeling in onnoselikheid…. los daai paar slegte gif infesteerd skandelike slange uit, hulle is egtelik die onoorwonderd siekte van sosialiteit
25 Aug 2011, 23:07 pm
wtf is a first nation people.. who are first nation inhabitants of anywhere?
perhaps the martians landed here first.. so who is first to arrive and last to leave.. where?
25 Aug 2011, 23:11 pm
@David(David)-338:
so what is the solution to the dilemma David .. how long how long before the dawning of the Age of Aquarius
USA are couple decades or couple generations ahead in terms of sporting equanimity … UK and Europe too … we been so called ‘free’ for what is it now, exactly 17 years or so?.. might take another couple generations or decades before we start to catch up.
25 Aug 2011, 23:13 pm
It’s all very well attacking Hoskins for the lack of transformation. The reality is that his hands have been tied by the Provincial Unions and their desire to pander to the support base that puts them into power. The president of SARU has very little executive power when it comes to enforcing policies on the unions themselves.
25 Aug 2011, 23:23 pm
Yip I agree those attacking Hoskins are mostly disgruntled toffee nosed Europeans who wouldn’t move from their position of upper echelon privilege if you tried escorting them out in a white horse driven hearse.
It all takes time .. Rome weren’t built in a day or a decade or even in a lifetime… but though its been a long time coming, and I know yes I know.. a change is a gonna come.. oh yes it is.
25 Aug 2011, 23:24 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-341:
We need to get back to treating rugby as a game and not as a sport that defines the identity of white South African society.
25 Aug 2011, 23:28 pm
For the life of me I cannot see how driving a racial agenda like transformation is able to solve a racial problem. It wouldn’t make any difference to me if the SA rugby was entirely black, in fact i’d far prefer it, but trying to make it so is surely not the way to go. SA is mired in racial nonsense, its like a big chip on its shoulder that constantly weighs it down, its too be expected, but one wonders if it will every be able to truly supercede its racial roots.
25 Aug 2011, 23:30 pm
what would a liar knows about first nation people.skopskiet can’t even be honest with himself and admit where he was born.in the past couple of monts he has revealed three possible locations.the funny thing is that when he gets found out he always change the birth city for some obscure reason.he is a lioar of note which even sharkslover can attest to.this is a man that employs illegals in his business and in the process defrauds the sa authorities.i’ve got little time for this five foot one oke.
25 Aug 2011, 23:30 pm
@David(David)-344: it might be the last vestiges of the laager that don’t wanna be uncircled , you are right rugby is by no means a white mans dominion or a white mans heritage… rugby is a sport like any other.. it just happens to have taken root very strongly as a token of a sporting identity within a specific community… it may take a little time.. but it will be defrayed of its lone identity status pretty soon.. junior rugby is already showing huge strides of awakening among other societies and communities.. I give it another 20 – 30 years tops before it is completely inter dispersed within the broader spectrum of South African cultures altogether and completely.
25 Aug 2011, 23:32 pm
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-346: should read months and liar.
25 Aug 2011, 23:37 pm
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-346: You know actually fuckall about fuckall you pisswilly little runtcunt scumfaced ignoramus rat… you the pitiful arse end of anything remotely attributable to any morality standard, .. so get your lowlife cuntarse face outa others business and shove it where it actually belongs up your coconut k’ffir hating d’tchmen hating arse you pathetic little scumfaced piece of half bred conniving little excruciating trash heap infested unscrupulous scum mongrel rat.
25 Aug 2011, 23:39 pm
beautiful – i’ve obviously logged onto the wrong site, sounds like the royal society of thespians in full swing reciting love sonnets to one another.
25 Aug 2011, 23:42 pm
@cab(cab)-345: since when is transformation a racial agenda.. the opposite is the case and far closer to the truth.. actually.
25 Aug 2011, 23:43 pm
@David(David)-342:
I have been saying this for four years already yet for that I become the fly in the ointment.
But that does not disturb me one iota because it is the absolute truth.
The unions and the franchises are, in fact, the ‘reformed’ but still largelly dishonest SARB now posing as SARU(the former non-racial entity). These regional bodies’ representatives ensure, and deliberately so, that non-thinking, malleable, woefully weak people like Hoskins and PdeV. are put into these essentially well-paying, status positions with a specific mandate in hand.
They as nominated officials(not an open elected position), if they act with too much independence,are threatened their never-yet-seen earnings by whatever means is required including mysterious tapes and more. They are mere puppets on a string to be moulded like pieces of clay or plasticine into any shape deemed necessary.
Which group is more distasteful is rather a matter of choice but they are equally sick and give rise to neo-racism in the country i.e. sophisticated window dressed non-racial sport.
This whole sick racist SARB structures have to be eradicated and new healthier structures set in place before the real s hit hits the fan, and soon.
25 Aug 2011, 23:45 pm
this manus malan loving character should not be making comments on black youth aspirations.this is an oke that happily donned the nazi-loving sadf uniform in the name of so-called conscription to preserve his lifestyle by the systematic slaughtering of black youths of the townships.
25 Aug 2011, 23:46 pm
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-353:should read magnus.
25 Aug 2011, 23:49 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-351:
your version of the truth, i simply cannot see how one can have a racial solution to a supposedly racial problem, but i’m not quite sure anyone really understand what i’m saying here other than the real racists who want to keep the status quo. my point tho is that if there are no racial agendas then there is no need for transformation.
there are two contrasting forces, the one is supposed ingrained racism in which black fellas supposedly do not come through the system, the other antidote force is to force quotas or race reservation targets to force black talent through even if its not up to standard thereby causing those more talented whites to be discriminated against. Both are wrong. Transformation is probably the lesser of two evils, but any sort of social or racial engineering is very dangerous.
SA will only become a truly non-racial country when the very idea of transformation is no longer part of the lexicon, and that is why it is still in the dark ages compared to the US and European sports.
25 Aug 2011, 23:49 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-339:
Janee jou taal gebruik is so vrot, jy is definitief nie in Suid Afrika gebore nie.
Since you some daays ago expressed the notion that the country left you in the lurch you may as well f – off. The sooner the better. We do not need rubbish like you, at all.
25 Aug 2011, 23:50 pm
transformation will never happen while we still have old farts like skopskiet around and who still believe that black people are only good to be abused.look at his labour practises where he only employs illegals to continue his process of black exploitation.
25 Aug 2011, 23:54 pm
i have to say i might agree with him on his third birth city choice.that killing israeli gene is very much evident in his pathetic make-up.
25 Aug 2011, 23:55 pm
When you get a half bred trash heap infested coconut scum calling true Africans kff’rs that is when you either realize what outright sickening scum some of these half bred mongrel garbage faced rats actually are, and what they actually stand for, … which is the absolute antithesis of ANY non racial nation building or nation appealing for a set of moral injunctions that ACTUALLY carry any non racial water.. This capo half bred c’nt is the absolute intoxicating epitome of racial hatred you will find ANYWHERE on this planet.. scum like this pitiful piece of filthy half bred sickness are the absolute disease of society and of mankind as a whole…
25 Aug 2011, 23:59 pm
the county never left him in the lurch.he basically let himself down with his shenenigans amongst the under-aged black girls in the townships.now that he is exposed as a old **** pervert he now suddenly cries wolf and feel isolated in sa.
26 Aug 2011, 00:01 am
@ET.(ET.)-356: Says this ignoramus fckface who is sitting with his coolycreeping arse up his Uncle Greenspans backside sucking greenbacks out of Imperialist US of A and getting the protection of the Pentagon.
What a load of fucked up garbage these half bred morons posing as intellectuals are who still pose as half arsed humans sitting way up the white mans backside in another mans country talking revolution while hating the K’ffrs that ACTUALLY OWN this LAND. You dumbfck halfbred ignoramus imbecilic pieces of coollycreeping dumbfck first nation unholy pricks.
26 Aug 2011, 00:04 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-359:
Another huge myth or distortion or simply a LIE.
All over the black U.S. and black world, black people(always the victims) always feel free to use words like the N- word, and such similar, without any qualms or retributions. The Chris Rocks, Arsenio Halls liberally use it because it is accepted that the people to whom such words have been directed have the moral right to do so.
This does not mean that I will advocate such usage but it is different from perpetrators of such words using those racist terms.
26 Aug 2011, 00:06 am
@cab(cab)-355:
well its the old adage of two wrongs don’t make a right
so who gets to determine the wrongs from the rights and who’s agenda holds greater jurisdiction or supremacy of application?
The old system failed.. now the only answer is get more people playing the game through normal venues of society which basically starts at school level and then continues through junior structures into senior structures and opportunities..
I see it happening at school level quite substantially already.. I reckon within 10 – 20 years what we know as unequal opportunity in the medium of this sport will have largely disappeared and vanished down the spiral of dwindling racially applied structure in every sphere of SA life style and endeavor. Including rugby.
26 Aug 2011, 00:07 am
the oke whose hands are tainted with the blood of innocent black people wants to lecture others on morality.what a bloody joke.he is more deluded than i ever thought.
26 Aug 2011, 00:08 am
How was that singing of the anthem on Saturday? Fantastic. Just a pity for those uuuuugly faarkers in their AB jerseys, supporting a country they will most likely never see, and never be allowed to stay in. LMAO. Dumb faarkers. Great crowd in PE apart from that scummies. Should be a regular venue for the BOKKE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSaDH4FfF7Y
26 Aug 2011, 00:09 am
@ET.(ET.)-352:
Blaming the structures isn’t going to change the makeup of SA rugby at the higher player levels. Whilst the game at all levels remains rooted in the perception that we have a “traditional” approach, that in reality is based on the aggressive/defensive psyche of the apartheid society we will continue to marginialise the majority of black players who don’t fit the stereotype. What is sad is that SA rugby has actually produced great creative players in the past that defy the current concepts of our traditional game.
We need to emulate the Aussies, and approach the game as one that needs to develop a players talent.
26 Aug 2011, 00:09 am
LOL. That uuuuuugly faarker at 1min32sec.
26 Aug 2011, 00:11 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-361:
When do you apply your sick ‘rules’ to yourself?
Who has most used the nasty word in the last month or so more than you have?
Do you think your little word gimmicks destroy its intent, Joel-who-is-so-far-up-his-hole?
26 Aug 2011, 00:12 am
Anyway, I’m off to bed guys.
Cheers.
26 Aug 2011, 00:15 am
@ET.(ET.)-362:
those are fundamentally derogatory terms designed for the sole purpose of illiciting a reaction, and they reinforce inferior connotations among black consciousness.
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-363:
thats exactly it in a nutshell two wrongs dont make a right, and yet thats exactly what it is so how can it be right? it cant.
It can only ever be the lesser of two evils, but even that is a subjective judgement, and the bigger problem is how such subjective judgements can be manipulated until before long any semblance of balance is gone, with ppl shouting racim this and racism that when not selected, rather than just letting society unfold as it should governed by non-racial rules, as opposed to racist rules purporting to prevent racism.
The old system was a complete abortion, but just how much have the sons learnt from their fathers only to repeat the same mistakes?
26 Aug 2011, 00:16 am
the funny thing about this fuckidilly is that he has been using a word that’s seriously offensive to indians for months on end and still he wants to lecture others on morality.the sad part here is that his gatgabbas like g10,jr and others never challenged him on that.
26 Aug 2011, 00:19 am
@ET.(ET.)-362: Let a white man call an African American a n’gger over there and witness the fallout that ensues.. like capo calling Transie a k’ffir is suddenly legal righteousness by your fucked up rationale and reasoning .. who you trying to bamboozle and fool with your outright LIE you dumbfck coolycreeping half arsed coconut half witted two faced self righteous pseudo intelligent scum?
Go crawl up this capo coconut piece of trash’s arse – the two of you are riddled with inadequate racially motivated inconsistencies.. so suck each others half bred coconut feces out each others half bred backsides because thats about as much relative rational recognition or respect you will ever arrive at or get from me… you pitiful little pieces of sickening scum filled conniving half human half witted half educated rats.
26 Aug 2011, 00:24 am
cab’s and skopskiet’s people had an official policy of excluding black people from sa’s national sporting teamswhy could basil d’olivera not represent the country of his birth but was accepted by the english?why should the government not just force a quota policy on south african sporting bodies?whether the players ar ready or not should be of no concern in my opinion.
26 Aug 2011, 00:24 am
@David(David)-366:
My reference is to the dishonest intent of the old SARB structures. If the politics is all wrong then everything will be all wrong.
This sport problem(esp. pro-sport) is far more complex than even you and I perceive it to be and I accept that our perspective(yours and mine) can and will be quite different.
For me the essential problem is rooted in the politics and economics of S.A.
At no stage am I even getting to player development which we all accept is sadly still imbalanced.
Rugby control is still, to all intents purposes, in the hands of questionable Afrikaners who want us to believe it is democratically so. But that is clearly not so if you just look at what happens with the coaches at some unions and who they select. Afrikaners control this industry and will attempt to do so for a long time to come.
26 Aug 2011, 00:25 am
Julle taal gebruik kinders, julle taalgebruik. Time-out for all of you.
26 Aug 2011, 00:25 am
So the old system was racism, but the justification was reprehensible that whites were deemed superior.
The transformation system is still racism, but is considered less reprehensible since it aims to compensate for past racism.
But there is a third option, which is to have a society devoid of racist rules period, no discrimination based on any justification, the change might be slower than transformation, but it also might prove to be a far better and more stable system for all in the long run, rather than caught in a constant cycle of racist rules and thinking.
Just look at the rafts of legislation in SA, look at how often racism rears up in every conversation – its packed full of racism.
26 Aug 2011, 00:27 am
aspoeslappie likes to mention the k-word and i just wonder if that’s the way he addresses his illegal workforce.
26 Aug 2011, 00:29 am
@cab(cab)-370:
Tell me cab .. how much NON racialism do you actually see being espoused in this little medium of a sample of SA society right here on this largely (as David has pointed out) white mans haven of an enterprise of a rugby web site?
How many people on this planet can you say are specifically and absolutely NON racial ?? From either side of any divide or spectrum?
NON racism is largely a myth… even these two so called half arsed hard done by self marginalized half bred ignorant scum like this Excruciating TWat sitting in self styled exile and his half bred brother from the cape flats are so fundamentally riddled with racism.. yet they sit here in all their excruciating deformity of justice thinking they are NOT !!
Racism is a disease of society that is not easily eradicated from the minds of men because like you are trying to contend.. it is a basic social ill that is bred into the genetic makeup of a socialized conditioning from inception of a humans waking consciousness until he realizes exactly who he is and who he is NOT !!
26 Aug 2011, 00:30 am
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-373: Agree tottie. Faark up sport untill it is in balance with the faarked-up country and faarked-up economy. Let the government controll everything, let them tell you when to take a leak, when to patla, when to slice a throat, etc. Let the country become a Libya, Iraq, or Sudan. Let the people then take up arms, demonstrate, and faark the country up some more. Then go on your knees and beg the US to send food and medicine.
TOTTIE.
26 Aug 2011, 00:31 am
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-373:
who are my people? people act for themselves. never in my life discriminated against anyone, other than if they are an arsehole, in which case i’m likely to say anything that i think will drive them crackers.
D;Oliviera’s case was horrific, one of many, that happened 30 years ago, what exactly you want? you want apologies or u just feel like shouting the good shout?
26 Aug 2011, 00:32 am
Don’t waste your time on this filth, Skoppie. You’re better than that.
26 Aug 2011, 00:32 am
@ET.(ET.)-374:
The sport needs to be given back to all S.Africa’s people and not only a select section thereof.
But because of the money involved for those at the top, players, coaches and administrators that will not easily happen.
To level the playing field the prymid of rugby needs to be turned on its head. Those that were last should now be first and those that were first should now be last. That base pointing upwards give many,many thousands to be developed while the apex pointing groundwards shows what less development needs to be concentrated there.
All this needs a HUGE NATIONAL input with lots of money from all those interested in promoting sports and that means big business and the government but they are all too busy trying to out-cheat each other as specific entities.
26 Aug 2011, 00:33 am
“Transformation” (i.e. darkification) is PURELY a 100% racial agenda. It is just as insidious as apartheid was. Hoskins shouldn’t be criticised for not “transforming” — he ought to be praised to the rafters for it (even if he and PDivvy are transformationista themselves).
All representative teams — from schools upward — should be picked ENTIRELY on merit and nothing but merit. And so too the administrators, referees and all the other rugby remoras.
26 Aug 2011, 00:34 am
There are two types of people; good, and bad. Unfortunately the bad has the most to say, mainly because they know they are bad, and they hate themselves for it. So, they become more bad (worse). The good try their best to be good and to make a good living. Eventually they prosper. The bad might also prosper, but eventually they lose everything, and some more.
26 Aug 2011, 00:35 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-372:
You are too effin dumb. That is the point that I made to you,moron. The victims use the nasty words freely among themselves but the perpetrator cannot do so and certainly not to the former victim, that is TABOO.
26 Aug 2011, 00:36 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-378:
i’m well aware of how deeply conditioned the white south african psyche is, but my point still stands, how can you create a non-racial society based on racial rules? you cannot, you said it, two wrongs do not make a right. That conditioning will change over time as people see players like the Habana’s and Beasts of this world coming through and being better than their white counterparts, its already happened, massively so.
It may be a societal ill, but a society cannot cure that ill with yet more racial rules, this will only continue to propagate it.
26 Aug 2011, 00:40 am
@cab(cab)-376: How you going to enforce NON racism ? How ?
By slapping those who think evil thoughts or identify with their tribal ancestry as superior to somebody else’s in man made prisons or how?
It is a slow process of human self evaluation.. I don’t know if there is ever an answer to the total eradication of racial disharmony where forces of inequality rule the status of classes and societies… people are a result of their conditioning… and all one can attempt to achieve is some level of balance in a evolutionary approach that attributes itself towards promoting its opposite in society of harmony.
26 Aug 2011, 00:40 am
Transformation is not as insidious as apartheid was, not even close, since the two were based on entirely different intentions and justifications, but we;ve gone over this one before.
26 Aug 2011, 00:47 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-387: On a large scale, there will most likely never be an answer to racism. By that I mean you will look at a group of peple and somehow see them as different, not the same as you. However, if you take that same same person, he will look at someone he knows that is from another race group, and see him as a friend, the same as he is. It is all about getting to know the “person”. Most people, no matter what their opinions are of a certain race, can be friends with people from that group if they get to know them on a one-to-one basis.
26 Aug 2011, 00:50 am
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-379: well when your people had an official policy of excluding the masses from competing at the highest level the country never became a lybia or a zimbabwe.why should it now?
26 Aug 2011, 00:51 am
The problem comes in when you make laws based on race. We all saw what happened under apartheid. It divided people. With other policies now in place, the same thing is happening. History repeats itself, over and over and over. If I touch a hot plate with my right hand, it will burn. That means, logically, if I touch a hot plate with my left hand, it will also burn.
26 Aug 2011, 00:54 am
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-390: What happened? Sa was isolated, not allowed to compete. If not for gold, the country would’ve been in shite long before 1992. If not for what happened after the release of Mandela, we would’ve been Libya or Zim. It was a miracle. So, if you say what you are saying, you are actually saying apartheid was right? That is what you are saying. How can you condemn apartheid, but support what you are proposing?
26 Aug 2011, 00:57 am
south africa needs a system based on chairman mao zedeng’s principles and policies.the south african government needs to start a revolution in rugby and stop *****-footing with stubborn afrikaners who still believes that rugby is their god-given right.according to mao a revolution should never be peaceful.change can only happen with the flow of blood.if that’s afrikaner blood then so let it be.
26 Aug 2011, 01:01 am
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-381: yep I dunno why I do .. and I also dunno why those festering with self infested filth are given sufficient leeway to infest their self infested unholy garbage filth onto others .. and THAT is what specifically gets me up in arms about these two faced scum arsed sickening deceiving scurrilous back biting characters.
26 Aug 2011, 01:03 am
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-392: don’t try to spin my words to further your racist agendas.you said that the country would become a next libya or zim if the government force change through the sporting structures.i just responded that your people did the same..even worse and the country never became a second libya or zim…simple as that.
26 Aug 2011, 01:05 am
Mao? Mao was a fkn idiot, in fact anyone who believes change can only happen with the flow of blood is pretty much an idiot, of that u can almost be sure.
26 Aug 2011, 01:05 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-394: Dont worry Skop. Scum like tecuseh wiil eventually destroy himself. He will experience everything he wished on others, multiply by a million. Best not to associate with that thing. Let him be, let him light the flame that will devour him.
Goodnight Skop. Sleep well.
26 Aug 2011, 01:07 am
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-389:
Actually race does not exist.. it is an illusion of inadequate reasoning brought on by fear and insecurity.. people that even ‘think’ that they are in ANY way different to any one else are actually living in delusion.. there is no such thing as race.. it is a misnomer of an incorrect assumption that one person is different to another.. there is actually no such thing.. it only exists within the delusional deformity of thinking in the minds of men, but in actuality it is an absolute illusion made up from false impressions of who man thinks he is.
26 Aug 2011, 01:07 am
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-337: @TheAgent(TheAgent)-392:
Ek sien jy praat lekker oor Kanadese geskiedenis en ook die NHL. Wie is jou span nou weer? Is dit Edmonton soos jy ons ‘n jaar of so vertel het?
En jy is lekker laat op as ons S.Afrikaanse tyd in ag moet neem?
26 Aug 2011, 01:08 am
@cab(cab)-396: The uneducated, hatefilled never reaise how stupid they are. They cant see the lion standing in the road, waiting for them with teeth showing. They live in denial. But with every word they say and with everything they do, they come closer to the lion.
26 Aug 2011, 01:10 am
if a man can lie about meeting sharkslover what more is he capable off?he lies about his place of birth.he lies about his killing record in south africa’s townships.he dfrauds the sa tax authorities by employing illegal immigrants.he lies about being assaulted in site 5 when the truth of the matter is that he tried to get into the pants of underage girls in site5.
i am utterly disgusted that this liar and pervert is allowed to walk the streets of south africa.
26 Aug 2011, 01:10 am
@cab(cab)-396:
Don’t you change the state of your chicken when you chop its head off? And does blood not flow?
And is that not radical or even revolutionary for such a ‘peace=loving’ “pinkie” like you?
26 Aug 2011, 01:10 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-398: Exactly. Thats what I’m saying. It is because people dont know each other. Once they get to know each other, the barriers disappear, and they SEE.
Try and explain that to that tecumseh thing.
26 Aug 2011, 01:14 am
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-397: Night .. you too.
@cab(cab)-396:
you see how it is practically an impossibility to eradicate hatred which is another name for racism from out of infested conditioned human thinking… this is where the Hitler’s and IdI Amin’s, and Stalin’s and Mao’s etc. etc. come from.. from this inherently debauched frame of ideology that one man is in ANY way better or superior or more worthy than another.. that is the beginning and inception of racism.. and of human hatred .. which is so absolutely RIFE within the racially riddled hating head of this piece of trash here it is absolutely and blatantly the OPPOSITE of any NON racially motivated sentiment of harmony and human co existence.
……..
Out
26 Aug 2011, 01:17 am
@cab(cab)-376:
” So the old system was racism, but the justification was reprehensible that whites were deemed superior.
The transformation system is still racism, but is considered less reprehensible since it aims to compensate for past racism ”
So are you trying to intimate that if the ” justification was” less ” reprehensible ” it should be more acceptable?
If so then your next sentence should make the T-word acceptable to you even because it ” is considered less reprehensible “.
What then are you wailing about? ‘Tula baba’.
26 Aug 2011, 01:19 am
@cab(cab)-396: maos concept worked.just think for yourself here now.if a person suffers from a tumour it needs to be cut out to bring about a health change .in order to change it’s inevitable that painful change needs to happen.mao is credited with the rise of modern day china and if he did not forceably removed the agents against change he would have failed in his attempt to have created a new china.study mao zedeng’s life and you will be enlightened.
26 Aug 2011, 01:21 am
these c’nts ET and his sidekick capo – Tecumseh are NOT interested in NON racism.. these war mongering self infested vile trash garbage scum are ABSOLUTELY ONLY interested in WAR and hatred and REVOLUTION and RETRIBUTION..!!! this is their absolute driving insanity.. what these scum ACTUALLY want is MORE blood and MORE hatred .. and MORE innocent lives lost… that is what c’nt garbage filth like these absolutely hating scurrilous heathenish garbage filth mongrel vicious heinous scum ABSOLUTELY want
Its riddled through their filthy inhumane consciousnesses like the absolute DISEASE that it absolutely IS !!!
See it in ALL its idolatrous hating vociferous racist nakedness.. out here in broad daylight blazoned across cyberspace for everyone and all to blatantly see.
26 Aug 2011, 01:21 am
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-400:
dunno about uneducated but anyone who relies on brute force to make things better is in for a big surprise. Force may bring about change, but that change is often for the worse – Mao, Mugabi, Gaddafi, Sadam, Amin, Hitler – take your pick.
26 Aug 2011, 01:27 am
under mao zedeng apartheid filth like skopskiet would have been destroyed.the day the anc decided to play god by forgiving filth like that was the day they lost their soul.today filth like skopskiet etc.regained their strenght and have become a problem for the anc.afriforum etc runs to court whenever they are not happy with the utterings of certain black leaders is a prime example
26 Aug 2011, 01:27 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-407:
Says PietWapen’s Sad Sack lackey who is terribly hurt that he has been left in the lurch by South Africa.
When are you leaving as you indicated to that limey in some country in Africa you would? Uganda it was, in fact.
26 Aug 2011, 01:29 am
@cab(cab)-408:
Why are you not,according to your restricted view, adding Fidel and Che?
26 Aug 2011, 01:31 am
intersting to note the ramblings in post 407.this is the same oke that would have celebratory braais with magnus malan while dead comrades were lying five metres away.they had no shame….having braais just after a kill.
26 Aug 2011, 01:33 am
Tanzania in Fact … you little piece of coollycreeping scum filled half bred mongrel coconut piece of garbage self exiled Yankee Doodle Dandy arsewiping half breed rat.
Meantime I’m right here, you little scurrilous piece of lily liver rat – anytime you little coollycreeping runtcunt self styled arse wipe revolutionary wanna come pay me a visit … come try your luck.. be my guest… you little conniving piece of scum filled heathen war mongering feces devouring filthy dubious piece of trash RAT !
26 Aug 2011, 01:35 am
And here am I who has never ever held a gun in any of my two hands and far from the areas where atrocities were enacted in the name of superiority.
Worse still I am merely a peace-loving, committed medical science man.
26 Aug 2011, 01:36 am
Trotsky was a far more humane communist, as was our very own slovo, but
these are all ideologies, which are imperfect, particularly when skewed by individual agenda’s such as mao and stalin who believed some were more equal than others. And that is the problem with all ideologies including tranformation, which is that it is open to abuse whatever its purer intentions might be. Also, it is not clear that these ideologies actually work in practice or make things worse. Are we all meant to be equal or is it our individuality that brings us the most happiness and creativity. so while capitalism might have resulted in far more liberal advanced societies, it might also suffer from all the evils of class systems, race systems and inequality that are indemic to it.
If there are no ideologies and no rules, then you have anarchy, and are back to the rule of nature where only the strongest survive and we all lead pretty ****** feudal lives. So whats the answer?
enjoy the RWC and the other **** that makes some sense.
26 Aug 2011, 01:36 am
i would personally see him off at cape town international just to make sure the piece of lying filth makes good on his promise.just before i put him on that plane i might just ask some of my contacts there to turn of some of the cameras.
26 Aug 2011, 01:37 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-413:
Nevermind which east African country
More importantly unappreciative swine, when are you leaving?
26 Aug 2011, 01:39 am
@cab(cab)-415:
Many of those in good old Cape Town. Fourth International, Third and more.
26 Aug 2011, 01:41 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-413:
Watter laan bly jy in daar in Vishoek?
26 Aug 2011, 01:41 am
a 60 year old four foot leprechaun in tanzania isn’t going there for business only …well maybe some shady business with those poor little black kids.
26 Aug 2011, 01:45 am
the swine wants to go on the run now because the noose is slowly tightening regarding his tax evasion.my contacts at sars havent disappoint it seems.
26 Aug 2011, 01:45 am
@cab(cab)-415:
And is your capitalism and its derivatives like imperialism and neo-colonialism perfect and more acceptable then?
How do you view those who killed Patrice Lumumba, Oginga Odinga or even Steve Biko since you are so concerned about spilling blood?
26 Aug 2011, 01:49 am
Unlike half bred heinous garbage two faced scum like you I’m still here you lily livered lowlife half breed scum swine, right here where your white boertjie baas let me in to live in their country, here I am .. while little heinous chicken arse scum garbage like you are up Yankee Doodle Dandies backside sucking his filthy imperialist greenback feces from out his lily white arse…
so how exactly does THAT stack up ?? Huh ??.. you little coollycreeping conniving scum swine piece of trash sitting right up Kennedy’s and Clinton’s backside while you ACTUALLY wanted to be right up Mao’s backside.. where the fck you get your half arsed directionless ideological aspirations MIXED UP… stupid imbecilic piece of trash ravenous war mongering scum .. the pair of these vociferous Nazi like revolutionary garbage filth .. wanting WAR.. and REVOLUTION.. and RETRIBUTION .. and RACIAL HATRED .. this is what outright SCUM like this Excruciating Twat and his arse wipe cape flats sidekick piece of trash revolutionary absolutely WANT !!
26 Aug 2011, 01:52 am
@cab(cab)-415: were your people humane?what about the cradock four?were their blood not spilled by your people.were their blood not spilled to preserve your people’s way of life at the end of africa.what’s the difference between mao zedeng’s spilling of blood to affect change and your peoples spilling of blood to preserve your way of life?
26 Aug 2011, 01:59 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-423:
Have you ever heard of honest pay for honest skilled endeavours?
Foreign notion to you with your cheating even ‘illegal immigrants’ of their work for mere bread and butter.
But such is to be expected if you are born near the river Tiberius. And no such river is to be found in S.A.
26 Aug 2011, 02:07 am
skoppie safely returned to his cage ,so it’s time for me to hit the sack.
26 Aug 2011, 02:09 am
@ET.(ET.)-411:
both idiots.
capitalism, communism – both have their strengths and weakness, both open to explotiation. personally, i think communism as a theory is far more humane because it aims for economic equality – but i dont think u are interested in that, not really, i think u after numero uno.
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-424:
still dunno who my people are? never known anyone involved with the cradock four. what are you actually hoping to achieve on this here website? the revolution is long gone, luckily enough it was relatively bloodless.
26 Aug 2011, 02:19 am
@cab(cab)-427:
And what great or divine wisdom gets to arrive at your answer?
Are you by any chance fishing? You bait is inappropriate for the fish you wish to land or hook.
26 Aug 2011, 02:20 am
@ET.(ET.)-428:
should read “gets you to …”
26 Aug 2011, 02:23 am
@cab(cab)-427:
What you wrongly call “revolution” is merely reformation of the same economic system, in short, replacing corrupt whites with equally corrupt blacks, judging by what we have thus far observed.
26 Aug 2011, 02:29 am
@cab(cab)-427: you are evading my questions with sarcasm.you would not know the cradock four because according to you apartheid never existed
26 Aug 2011, 02:37 am
@cab(cab)-427: there was never a revolution in south africa.only the politycal system changed and nothing else.no cultural or economic revolution,basically one system based on entitlement was replaced with another.it seems to me you can’t grasp the concept of revolution.i don’t have the time to school you on that but i will advise you to take a close look to the french one and especially the chinese one under mao zedong in order to broaden your concept of revolution.
26 Aug 2011, 04:11 am
Some extremely confused and bitter Cape Spanish on here… hope they haven’t bred yet!
26 Aug 2011, 04:26 am
Hey,
You okes stop talking about my Philosophy, I was a good oke, loved the people of China, and still do. Long live the reds…
26 Aug 2011, 05:03 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-433:
Delusional fut nuckers I tell you! The sadest part, they think they cool…
26 Aug 2011, 06:23 am
More botty talk from the keo youth league.
26 Aug 2011, 06:30 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-274:
Ag ou Dawntjie, elke Vrudag voel ek jou pyn. Los die larney en die papsak. Die lewe sal baie minder pynvol wees….
Onthou net, party twats ruik na rose en party na snoek, ne?
26 Aug 2011, 06:46 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-435:
Yep… not even getting a hiding by Gunther every night can wake them up to themselves…
I’m actually deadly serious when I say they should not be breeding…
26 Aug 2011, 06:53 am
@Sannie Bill Who??iams(Xkreni-WP)-437:
Jomasepapsak.
Give yourself a poesklap.
26 Aug 2011, 07:06 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-438:
Fortunately Capo is poodally inclined.
Which makes further breeding unlikely.
However, should the unthinkable happen and Capo manages to rouse himself from his drug induced stupor to produce a Cape Maltese offspring remedial action will be required.
Its all speculation though, as I’m sure he will be back in Pollsmoor on parole violation before any of this happens.
Although we can’t discount him falling pregnant there
26 Aug 2011, 08:03 am
@Gunther(gunther)-440:
Pillaged in Pollsmoor… that explains why he’s so at 26′s and 27′s…
26 Aug 2011, 08:21 am
@Gunther(gunther)-436:
skopskyt should move to Afghanistan. The local men there are also fascinated by bottoms….men’s bottoms. He’d fit right in…literally.
26 Aug 2011, 08:31 am
Nice rugby site this.
26 Aug 2011, 08:47 am
The only way to promote transformation is to play the strongest teams !!! The kids of today do not see colour, they only see brand names !!! If the brand is strong the kids will follow. Show the kids in Soweto a strong successful brand and they will play the game and you will get transformation. Stop talking politics and stop sucking up to politicians. Grow the game and the numbers will come !!!
26 Aug 2011, 09:28 am
@Eish(Eish)-443:
eish.
26 Aug 2011, 12:34 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-439:
Tjom, baie edel van jou om vir Dawn op te kom maar ek mag jou dalk net ‘n poesklap gee.
26 Aug 2011, 13:51 pm
Vintage Keo madness on this thread.
Tears in my eyes…. ROFLMAO!!!!!
26 Aug 2011, 14:17 pm
@GP(GP)-444: Bravo! 100% correct!
26 Aug 2011, 23:10 pm
@cab(cab)-388: When assessing anything, one looks at the outcomes, not the intentions.
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