KeoTV: Why Hoskins should quit

KeoTV: Why Hoskins should quit

26 Aug 2011

MARK KEOHANE says Saru president Oregan Hoskins should resign as the failure to transform the Springboks is his fault, not Peter de Villiers’s.


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  • 101.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:33 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-99:

    Your desire is however to see him fail, so you can reassure yourself ‘see we are superior’

    What one would like to see is that he is afforded the same opportunities as the others. Immediately your mechanical brain goes ‘oh throw money down the drain’

    Of course not.

    Justice or fairness is the point.

    Whoever brainwashed you did a real good job, or was it just the Nuts?

  • 102.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:33 pm

    @rangerman(rangerman)-90: and you have the cheek to question my “humour”? puerile :D

  • 103.rangerman: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:34 pm

    if the “enabling environment” is the same for everybody, the team will be very white buddy, simply because of PLAYING DEMOGRAPHICS.

    yes, yes, dale and queens i hear you rant.

    just add up all the afrikaans schools and you will start to verstaan mate.

    so the kings are to be another anti transformation vehicle then?

    sad.

  • 104.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:36 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-101:

    So many unfounded statements in that post.

    I agree fully that he should receive the same opportunities as any other player.

    No more, no less.

  • 105.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:36 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-95: there are more black kids than non-black kids, natuurlik :roll:

  • 106.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:38 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-105:

    And there are more Chinese in the world than all of the blacks and non blacks combined. What’s your point?

  • 107.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:40 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-106: That the Boks should be overwhelmingly ethnic Chinese?

  • 108.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:40 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-99: you’re so vindictive, how is he the new black hero?

    is sadie the new white hero? how about lambie, taute, etsebeth?

    nick koster maybe?

    oh Lord for forbid van den Heever? bwahahahahaha :D

  • 109.rangerman: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:40 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-102: it wasnt humour, it was sarcasm laid on thick to match the stupid question by mxhosa.

    or maybe heyneke sold their body parts to the east?

    anyways, i am out. gotta meet my black business colleague who thinks your type are lazy in mind and in deed.

    tjorts.

  • 110.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:42 pm

    I think the Welsh have been letting their standards slip recently – why I counted at least two players in their squad whose name isn’t Jones. It’s outrageous and not at all representative!

  • 111.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:46 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-99: why isn’t kolisi YOUR new hero Tac? he hails from PE was spotted @ EP u12/14 trials.

    why can’t you embrace him?

    embrace change tac, transform yourself :D

  • 112.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:47 pm

    Honestly, if I was a black kid from a poor area, I’d want rugby boots, shoulder pads, a scrumcap, proper nutrition, a nice field to play on, a safe environment to train in, a good coach to teach me the skills of the game and good medical cover should I get injured.

    All of that stuff means one thing: Financial support.

    So by all means, direct money towards supporting these players. Give them every opportunity to develop their talents to the max.

    Then let them loose to compete on an equal footing with the white kids.

    At the same time, give the same financial support to the hundreds of thousands of white kids who are also growing up in poverty today, but without the benefit of having a government who gives a sh*t about their predicament.

    Level the playing field for everyone. And then let the team demographics be whatever it is. Don’t select players based on skin colour.

  • 113.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:47 pm

    @rangerman(rangerman)-109: who said you have monopoly on sarcasm?

    you non-black guys nc nc nc ;)

  • 114.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:48 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-104:

    Ek weet nie eens hoekom ek vies word vir jou nie.

    Jy het nog net nie die goed deurdink nie, dis al.

    Kom ons laat dit daar my maat van yster en plaat.

  • 115.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:49 pm

    @rangerman(rangerman)-109: i’m not a “type” :D

  • 116.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:54 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-112: non-black unemployment is far less than black employment, fact.

    non-black salaries still trump black salaries, fact.

    non-black land ownership still trumps black ownership, fact.

    non-black wealth still trumps black wealth, fact.

  • 117.the peanut gallery: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:56 pm

    transie, we get it, you know how to do smileys. you don’t need to put one after every post. it does not make you look clever and sort of defeats their purpose.

  • 118.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:57 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-116:

    And how does this correlate to comparative educational levels, skills and relevant work experience?

  • 119.the peanut gallery: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 15:57 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-116: we don’t mind if you call us whites. non-black is so … non-commital.

  • 120.malcolm: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:02 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-91: I believe by implementing a far better scouting system for talent (both black and white) from primary school level in all schools not only the big famous ones and advising the talent unearthed on everything from diet to new training systems. We should have institutions that get the best possible coaches to train talented youngsters who DO NOT go to the big schools and have a system where several small schools in areas get together and field combination teams for 3 or 4 matches a year against the Premier Rugby schools in the country. True sporting ability will be apparent in a youngster even in a very poor environment but the secret is for someone to be there to recognize it. I think a great deal talent gets missed in South Africa both black and white simply because they may not go to a recognized rugby school.

  • 121.mxhosa: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:05 pm

    @rangerman(rangerman)-90:

    lol!

  • 122.the peanut gallery: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:09 pm

    seems like transie works for a government department – just gone 4 pm and he’s disappeared.

  • 123.keo: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:12 pm

    You guys miss the point. It is not about who is or who isn’t good enough. it is about a leader who said hold me accountable. Now I am holding him accountable because so little has happened between World Cups. Hoskins asked to be given another chance on transformation in 2007. He was and he stood there proud as punch to confirm a squad that showed how little had changed since the last WC. If the game is to transform it needs strong leadership. Hoskins is not that answer. He bows to 14 provincial presidents. He gives them what they want and he hasn’t made a hard decision in his tenure. My criticism is aimed directly at one person.

  • 124.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:14 pm

    @the peanut gallery(peanut)-122: hehehehehehehehehe funny guy :D

  • 125.SuperStirrer: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:15 pm

    @the peanut gallery(peanut)-122: makes sense, hence all the time to blog, and search and cut and paste and……..

  • 126.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:15 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-118: and this was all a matter of natural progression? whites are more educated because it was SYSTEMATICALLY engineered to be that way, now how does one fix that situation?

  • 127.the peanut gallery: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:16 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-124: see post 117 please

  • 128.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:16 pm

    @SuperStirrer(SuperStirrer)-125: aha, piss-taker :D

  • 129.Helen: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:16 pm

    Ok, I’m here now. What’s happening?

  • 130.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:17 pm

    @the peanut gallery(peanut)-117: why do you care :???:

  • 131.Helen: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:17 pm

    @keo(keo)-123: Keo, happy to meet you. Howz it hanging, swamp donkey?

  • 132.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:18 pm

    @the peanut gallery(peanut)-119: non-blacks. not everything is about you ;)

  • 133.Markel77: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:18 pm

    I dont understand this “transformation” obsession considering all players are south african people

  • 134.Gordon Gekko: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:18 pm

    TRANSFORMATION Hoskins style is a letter to the unions asking for the inclusion of more black players.

    Has no one noticed that Hoskins has left 3 of his transformed unions out of Super Rugby?
    How is this possible you may ask – only because Hoskins is kept there by the old guard to delay this process.

    The process should be that everyone – read all SARU 14 rugby unions have an equal and fair opportunity to play Super Rugby.

    Only Hoskins and Marinos cocked this up right royally and failed to demand that each of the SANZAR partners has 6 teams in the tournament and SA Rugby gets the short end and we find ourselves yapping and scrapping like lapdogs over a chewy toy.

    This means then that transformation will now have to wait till 2016 when the new Super Rugby tournament starts.

    SA Rugby needs to grow a set of balls and address rugby on the premise that the best man gets the job and the best teams get to play but everyone plays on the same equal footing.

    There is massive inequality in rugby and it is condoned by SA Rugby.

  • 135.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:19 pm

    Under Hoskins’ tenure SA rugby has probably experienced its most stable period since readmission. He is a peacemaker, not a sh*tstirrer.

    He tries to keep the boat steady, rather than capsize it.

  • 136.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:21 pm

    @keo(keo)-123: we get it keo, fire away!

  • 137.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:26 pm

    @Markel77(Markel77)-133: imagine the madristas oppressed the catalans for decades and took all the land to themselves, made themselves filthy rich and advanced their people into management jobs based only on being madristas, best schools, best health care, best homes etc…imagine after decades of being disenfranchised the catalans got “emancipated”.

    in your mind will the two societies be equal immediately after emancipation?

    how long do you think it will take for that society to be “normal”?

  • 138.the peanut gallery: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:26 pm

    enjoy your squabbles. i’m going for a pedal in the hills.

  • 139.Rugbylife: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:30 pm

    Keo you say allot more “players of color” should be going to the WC, can you name them please? from experience I can assure that young black players are allot more interested in playing football. Stick admitted on TV that black students are forced to play rugby at their schools but still transformation did not fail, if you watched Craven week you would have realized that. I just think it is hypocritical that you complain about transformation while your own squad that you have chosen on this site contains more white players and if Mvovo is so good why would you leave him out and put in Sadie when you know we have more than enough back-up for the center position.

  • 140.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:30 pm

    Transformation made easy for simpletons and racists:
    1. Work out what percentage of the population is not white (How, by reinstating the pencil test?)
    2. Count how many players there are in a rugby team (Ooh, 15 at a time but 22 in total. And 30 in a RWC squad – confusing!)
    3. Demand that the percentage of non-whites arrived at in 1 is matched by the percentage of non-whites included in 2.
    4. Profit?

  • 141.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:30 pm

    @the peanut gallery(peanut)-138: will join you in an hour, gym wiil be calling :D

  • 142.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:31 pm

    This Transformation bulldust is based on an analysis which assumes that pigmentally challenged supporters, coaches and administrators are prejudiced and do not want to see pigmentally rich players succeed.

    The cries of “BEEEEEAAAAAAAAAASSSST” in stadiums around SA and indeed the globe expose this crockofshit thinking for what it is.

    I suggest that there is another factor in play… Plain old incompetence.

  • 143.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:32 pm

    @Rugbylife(Rugbylife)-139: where do you live?

  • 144.keo: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:33 pm

    @Rugbylife(Rugbylife)-139: I am saying a leader made a commitment to be judged on nrs four years ago. I am reminding him of that.

  • 145.Markel77: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:34 pm

    Eish man we had a civil war ¿did you know? ¡¡3 years of bloody civil war!!. Guernica, you know?
    then almost 40 years of dictadure ¡¡¡¡40 YEARS!!!! we were (still are) the shame of western europe.
    And there are no cuotas for the sons or grandsons of the republicans (the losers). my maternal grandfather was republican by the way
    We dont need cuotas, a democratic country shouldnt need cuotas.

  • 146.Mills_is_kak: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:35 pm

    Transformation … you currently have all the opportunities in the world! Because of BEE, EE, transformation or whatever you want to call it, you’ll easily get a job or loan or bursary – much easier than a white oke. But yet, you are on keo 24/7 complaining about the past …. why don’t to use the opportunities available? Do you work for a boss? Is he paying you to be here on keo 24/7? So the white kid works his arse off and gets promoted, you talk k@k on keo and complain because your not?

  • 147.Helen: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:35 pm

    @keo(keo)-144: Why you being so hard on Oregan? Is it because he’s black?

  • 148.keo: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:36 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-135: under Verwoed the whites had their most peaceful and privileged time – did not make him right did it? There is so much wrong with the administration of the game and despite this we have our most ‘stable’ time. Talk about have a Ja broer in charge!

  • 149.keo: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:37 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-147: No it is because he is spineless and has failed to deliver as a leader as per his promise in 2007

  • 150.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:39 pm

    @Mills_is_kak(p0ppa69)-146: he mills is kak, how is life?

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