KeoTV: Why Hoskins should quit

KeoTV: Why Hoskins should quit

26 Aug 2011

MARK KEOHANE says Saru president Oregan Hoskins should resign as the failure to transform the Springboks is his fault, not Peter de Villiers’s.


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  • 151.youknowwho: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:39 pm

    @keo(keo)-148: Yo Keo.. care to tell us about your Damascus moment or has the paymaster changed

  • 152.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:40 pm

    Another parallel to this lack of transformation of the Protea rugger side to a more acceptable pigmentation combination is the minority of Saffers with English speaking heritage in the team.

    Basically, there are not enough souties in the Boks. No, I’m not talking about English speaking players, like John Smit (Smit is no soutie name), I am talking about proper souties like Lambie or James.

    This may explain why players like Keegan Daniel were not selected.

    This can also explain why the last verses of the National Anthem (In English…) are always unintelligible.

  • 153.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:41 pm

    @Markel77(Markel77)-145: don’t know spanish history, just enjoy their football.

  • 154.Helen: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:41 pm

    @youknowwho(youknowwho)-151: ag no, not you again. Don’t you have a planet to save with all those calls and emails?

  • 155.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:42 pm

    In my house I grew up talking rugby with my dad, with my uncles, with my cousins, with my friends, with stories about the rugby exploits of my grandfather and his brothers and cousins and friends.

    Most of my friends grew up in similar homes – excluding the nerdish pansies who didn’t care about sport.

    Bottomline, rugby is part of my culture. I wasn’t introduced to it in school, or at a club, or by a bulletin board next to the highway with Beast’s picture on it, or by seeing some guy wearing a Bok jersey in the street.

    Multiply that across the general white population. Particularly the Afrikaans population and you get a breeding ground that is guaranteed to generate good players every generation.

    I would be very interested to know the extent of such a culture among the black population. We constantly hear about it in the Eastern Cape, but what about the rest of the country/ The Eastern Cape is only a small part of South Africa. And even there, rugby is not universally supported.

    Are the Sothos as big about rugby?Are the Zulus, Pedis, Tswanas etc.?

    I would wager that the part of the black population more than casually interested in rugby does not outnumber the white population greatly. And I would wager that the part of the black population actually engaged in playing rugby is even smaller.

    And I would further wager that the part of the black population as fanatical about rugby as my family was when I was growing up – and still are – is outnumbered by the white population in this country.

    So throwing around figures of 50 million people in SA but 5 million dominating the rugby scene is extremely misleading. it is more like 5 million vs 5 million – with half of the non-white 5 million being the Western Cape coloured community.

    And even amongst that 5 million, the level of dedication, passion and fanaticism which made rugby a part of ones very culture – to the exclusion of almost any other sport – is found amongst only a small minority.

    I wish someone could actually investigate this to set the record straight.

  • 156.youknowwho: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:43 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-152: I see you assert that the Plumtree is a not a Nazi because the crowds in the stands cheer Beast… Plum is the crowd then??

  • 157.keo: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:43 pm

    @youknowwho(youknowwho)-151: google my name my path is well documented.

  • 158.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:45 pm

    @keo(keo)-148:

    Well isn’t it then ironic that the very issue you’re criticizing him on is his alleged inability to implement a Verwoerdian style policy in SA rugby.

  • 159.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:45 pm

    I find the lack of Indian players, at all levels, unforgivable. And I don’t even think this issue has been raised in the House of Delegates.

  • 160.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:48 pm

    @youknowwho(youknowwho)-156: There are more comparatively melanin rich players in the Protea rugger side than there are proper souties.

    Prejudice all around if you really want to look for it.

  • 161.youknowwho: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:50 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-154: Flirting with me again.. attracted to bold bald men with loads of attitude?? ;-) .. Dating sites not working??

  • 162.Helen: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:50 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-155: Great post. I agree wholeheartedly. The investment in transformation needs to happen in those intangible areas of publicity, market and word of mouth. You can’t force a culture (which is what our rugby fanaticsm is) onto an unsuspecting population.
    It will also not happen overnight as the existing culture among afrikaners was painstakingly put together over a century.
    There is no way that anyone will now get me all passionate about nude dwarf tossing, no matte how much fun it is. the sport is just not in my blood and I am too old to become a fanatic.

  • 163.Helen: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:50 pm

    @youknowwho(youknowwho)-161: Yes findaloser dot com is offline at the mo

  • 164.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:50 pm

    I would say prejudice against souties ensured that a player like Brad Barrit went and found pastures new.

  • 165.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:51 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-155: wagers and assumptions.

    yes Tac, the assumption is that all Afrikaners were born loving rugby, it just happened like magic – you’re afrikaner, bang you love rugby.

  • 166.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:51 pm

    @youknowwho(youknowwho)-156: You making about as much sense as Transformation now…

  • 167.Helen: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:52 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-159: Did you cut and paste that from 1983 Hansards?
    2 points for your attempt to be funny, but you lose both points for being who you are.

  • 168.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:52 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-160: blame the coaches :D

  • 169.Helen: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:54 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-164: There is no way that you can claim that with any authority. There are many, many afrikaners playing all over the world.

    Bottom line is that we need a 100% black developemnet team that plays 2nd tier nations and serve as a feeder team for the national team. Quotas don’t work

  • 170.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:54 pm

    Prejudice against souties ensured that Kitch Christie and Nick Mallet could not continue their good work and outstanding records as coaches.

    (A note: Jake White is not a soutie. He was not born a “White”)

  • 171.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:55 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-164: and they put a donkey in front of him :D

  • 172.youknowwho: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:55 pm

    @keo(keo)-157: Loads of detours and u-turns I presume.. I think that the paymaster has changed.. You did write Chesters book and then found out that white people don’t like to be confronted with reallity so you prostituted yourself to the Nazi’s. Tell us about how you got to employ Simon??

  • 173.NoRugbyGuru_0_: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:55 pm

    I agree with keo, what has hoskins done in the last 4 years? Controversially selected pdivvy, no kings in super rugga and no 7 coloured or black players in starting line up at WC

  • 174.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:56 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-167: Who are you again?

  • 175.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:56 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-169: “There is no way that you can claim that with any authority. There are many, many afrikaners playing all over the world.”… Your Point?

    I say non-souties have the freedom to play where they want. Souties are denied the option of playing for the country of their birth… just for being a soutie.

  • 176.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:57 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-165:

    That post doesn’t make sense other than displaying a deep underlying desire to engineer which sports a society should support or not support.

    How about letting them do what they want, rather than trying to get black support for rugby up to some target percentage?

    Have you checked the black polo playing percentage lately? I reckon that needs even more work than rugby to get to a level that meets your artificially generated ratios.

    Next time you see Sipho kicking a soccer ball down a Motherwell street, beta wena, give him a hiding, deflate his soccer ball with your pocket knife and stuff a Gilbert into his arms, cause he is not contributing to achieving your social engineering goals on the sporting front.

  • 177.Helen: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:58 pm

    @keo(keo)-157: keo, don’t worry about this idiot youknowwho, I sorted him out in an alley earlier today. ripped his skinny arm off and beat him to a pulp with the stump.

    I get your point. Whether you believe in transformation or not, Oregan needs to be held accountable for his promise of 4 years ago. That is the kind of society we need / want. Such promises can’t be made and broken without consequences. I am with you, but I am also scared of what we might get if Oregan falls on his sword

  • 178.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:58 pm

    the jews the jews where are the jews?

    I would also like to see more handicapped people playing rugby (apart from the lions obviously).

  • 179.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:59 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-171: Ja. They put a blonde Donkey before a gifted melanin rich player before a soutie…

    So the hierarchy in descending order:
    1. Melanin challenged Donkey
    2. Melanin rich usurper
    3. Soutie Barrit

    Souties always at the bottom of the list.

    Souties are clearly discriminated against the most.

  • 180.Helen: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:59 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-176: Tact, you are wise beyond your years. I like your thinking.

  • 181.Helen: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 16:59 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-178: Bwhahahahahahahahahahahah

  • 182.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:01 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-178: Yes. Even Danie Craven said that the Boks need a Jew to perform at peak ability.

  • 183.youknowwho: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:01 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-164: Prejudice manifest itself in many ways.. I have Europeans friends who get treated like sh it out here.. I stood up for a Kosovan work colleague when she got associated with Eastern European gangs and prostitutes.. All she wanted to do was to be respected as a competent QS.. Thats why I hate Nazis.. wherever they are born

  • 184.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:02 pm

    @youknowwho(youknowwho)-172: highbury safika media…investigate the safika and you will see v.cuba and s.macozoma in the mix

  • 185.Helen: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:02 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-175: Where has an englishman found it difficult getting picked for the boks??? where, oh where??
    If you lost out on a spot in the wine league combined XV, maybe it is because you are slow, fat, stupid and annoying and not because you’re english? just a thought

  • 186.wooden spoon: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:03 pm

    Personally I couldn’t give two hoots what Hoskins said 4 years ago about transformation because I do not agree with racially manipulating sports teams. It’s akin to the policies of Apartheid and as such is morally contemptible. Keo’s feigned indignance quite laughable really.

    I would rather my government invest its time [and tax payers' money] in ways that make a real difference – such as improving job prospects, infrastructure, housing, education and health systems.

    Sport is a matter of choice and cream always rises to the top. If you are good enough and train hard – no matter your upbringing, culture or living environment – you will make it.

    But never start thinking that you are somehow owed something in this life. Because you are not.

  • 187.Treehugger: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:03 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-131: lolololololololololololololololololololololol, ok I do believe you do have balls.

  • 188.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:03 pm

    @youknowwho(youknowwho)-183: I am prejudiced against QS’s. They got no imagination and they can’t count.

    My dirty little prejudice secret. (Similar to your prejudice against nazis, I suppose)

  • 189.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:03 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-179: 2. Melanin rich usurper = mannetjies de jongh??? :???:

  • 190.NoRugbyGuru_0_: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:03 pm

    @ Gunther(gunther) :-)

  • 191.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:04 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-185: Go to post 179. Do not pass go if you don’t understand.

  • 192.Treehugger: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:04 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-159: lol

  • 193.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:06 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-189: Yeah. “Usurper” being from the point of view of the comparatively incompetent privileged blonde donkey incumbent.

  • 194.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:06 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-176: i don’t carry a pocket knife :D

    anyway cheers folks, gym calls :D

  • 195.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:07 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-194:

    Humewood?

  • 196.Helen: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:08 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-170: You are an idiot!!!! So Kitch and Mallet stopped being coach because of their home language??? But Viljoen, Du Plessis, Strauli stopped being coach for different reasons???

  • 197.youknowwho: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:08 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-188: I think you have many little secrets.. but I think that you probably don’t like a specific QS rather than all of them.. My Kosovan friend is quite hot.. you will change your mind ;-)

  • 198.wooden spoon: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:08 pm

    Having said that the R300million + which has been set aside for new cabinet ministers’ houses and luxury cars could go a long way to building new sports facilities in poor areas, and bursaries for poor kids to attend private schools.

    How about the R100million + set aside for that totally useless “Youth” Conference?

    How about the millions wasted each month by government departments renting empty buildings?

    “Transformation” is about encouraging kids to play rugby so that in future SA can choose from a much wider player pool, not about tinkering with your national, Super and Currie Cup teams (the upper echelons) and weakening the end product.

  • 199.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:10 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-178: And what about midgets, hermaphrodites and gingers?

    I know Province has one, but I suspect he’s a token.

    A ginger, that is. The hermaphrodite is still unconfirmed.

  • 200.Treehugger: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:10 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-178: lol

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