KeoTV: Why Hoskins should quit

KeoTV: Why Hoskins should quit

26 Aug 2011

MARK KEOHANE says Saru president Oregan Hoskins should resign as the failure to transform the Springboks is his fault, not Peter de Villiers’s.


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  • 201.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:10 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-196: No they were “stopped” because they were souties. Viljoen, Du Plessis and Straueli were “stopped” because they were farken incompetent.

    Understand numbnuts?

  • 202.youknowwho: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:11 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-184: I think Sakkie got shut up by the money too.. Him and Marks secret tryst ;-)

  • 203.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:11 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-178:

    Handling the commentary

  • 204.Finfan: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:12 pm

    Hoskins should be accountable for what? Money talks and the provinces will select teams that will ensure that sponsorships, especially TV, continue. Hoskins is accountable for keeping the game in good financial health rather than the number of black faces in the team. Business is business.

  • 205.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:12 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-199:

    Hahaha!

    The alleged hermaphrodite in the changeroom is probably the closest most of that squad comes to female companionship!

  • 206.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:15 pm

    @youknowwho(youknowwho)-197: Secrets?So many. Definitely. Some naughty little ones and then some big elephant ones. Your Kosovan is probably quite a looker, but I guarantee you it will be hard to match the little Polish girl who came to clean HG’s hut twice weekly. Banshee got rid of her. Banshee has much prejudice against blonde polish house cleaners.

  • 207.Gordon Gekko: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:17 pm

    @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-198:

    Well your argument is the equivalent of SA Rugby spending R27,000,000-00 to keep the Eastern Cape out of super rugby.

    Where is your crying and gnashing of teeth for this?

    Or is this selective memory?

  • 208.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:18 pm

    Meanwhile SA Rugby has given their blessing for the players to have intacourse during the RWC with their partners (for whom they will have to pay to be there)

  • 209.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:19 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-199: Hermaphrodite… Meisiekind ?

  • 210.youknowwho: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:20 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-206: I saw a reallity show about Au Pairs similar to the apprentice.. same thing.. The hot Russian was not chosen… Funny thing is that she lost out to a black dude. Even funnier.. The madame/employer claimed to be South Africa

  • 211.Biscuit: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:21 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-39:

    I don’t know the answer to that but there may be a good answer. We can assume that it is evil

  • 212.Treehugger: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:23 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-206: lol, some of you guys are hysterical, good way to lighten my day.

  • 213.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:23 pm

    @Gordon Gekko(Gordon Gekko)-207: Why would SA rugby “spend” R27 mill to keep Eastern Cape out of Super rugby when the EC are perfectly capable themselves of doing it all for free.

    They have been doing it for years – too incompetent, too corrupt and just not good enough… all on their own… for free.

    Hellsteeth man. You logic is farked.

  • 214.Biscuit: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:23 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-42:

    Transformation need not equal non merit selections.
    It can mean extra development money pumped in at the right levels.

    See my argument at
    @Biscuit(Biscuit)-8:

  • 215.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:24 pm

    @youknowwho(youknowwho)-210: :lol: LOL

  • 216.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:24 pm

    @Biscuit(Biscuit)-214:

    I would fully support that.

  • 217.youknowwho: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:25 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-213: The facts are that the kings were preceded by the Spears… and it took that amount to kill off the spears

  • 218.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:26 pm

    yes Tac, humewood

  • 219.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:26 pm

    Why is Mark specifically stating that ‘it is not Peter de Villiers’ fault’ ?

    Is a book similar to Jake’s on the cards? I know he wrote Chester’s.

  • 220.youknowwho: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:28 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-219: Change of Paymaster Mr Sheriff ;-) .. but most whites are ok with that.. money supposedly talks in their world

  • 221.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:31 pm

    @youknowwho(youknowwho)-220:

    Shaun is that you?

    Funny I did not see your earlier comment, went back just now and saw you also referred to Chester’s book

    When I see Mark and his facial expression I just hear: So, what are you waiting for? Get your copy of the book na-ow :-)

  • 222.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:34 pm

    @Treehugger(Treehugger)-212: This is serious :wink:

  • 223.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:34 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-218:

    Hope you’re in time for the killer abs session

  • 224.youknowwho: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:34 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-221: Mark dropped all references to cricket on Keo to prevent discussion and promotion of Herchelle Gibbs book.. Fking good read. No BS like all of Marks PR clients

  • 225.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:37 pm

    @youknowwho(youknowwho)-217: But the Spears are the Kings are the Elephants are the Queens… etc, etc…

    A Gratis, Free, Farkup all on their ownsome.

    They should just dissolve and accept the Sharks as their home Union. Maybe the mighty Sharks can play a couple of games in the new PE stadium to give the EC something to really shout about.

    Good crowd at games though.

  • 226.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:38 pm

    @youknowwho(youknowwho)-224:

    Funny you refer to that book

    I bought it recently but progressed so far as to read Gary K’s foreword

  • 227.wooden spoon: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:41 pm

    Transformation should be taking place from age 8 to 18.

    It’s purpose should be to encourage black kids who wouldn’t ordinarily play rugby to start.

    You do this by improving access to facilities and coaching (through junior clubs) and fostering a love for the game – free tickets to stadiums for kids and free to air rugby on SABC. That’s where the government’s and SARU’s money should be going.

  • 228.youknowwho: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:42 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-225: Why should PE/EC miss out on a promotional opportunity.. Having your own Franchise is massive in terms Tourism and general business promotion.. I thought you would have a better understanding of the Evironment and Structure of business.

  • 229.youknowwho: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:44 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-226: I read half of the book on a flight from JHB to Madrid.. captivating

  • 230.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:52 pm

    Cheers guys!

    Have to dash

  • 231.youknowwho: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 17:52 pm

    Out too..til later

  • 232.kynang: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 18:08 pm

    Keo,, you are worng. Transformation needs to happen at a school and club level. SARU should be dumping all their money into promoting rugby in majority black schools – put up the fileds, supply the coaches… you can’t suddenly become a rugby player when you enter the Currie Cup. Right now, most of our black players, like our white players, are coming from traditional rugby powerhouse schools – because they have the best coaches, gyms, weight regimes, etc. South Africa will never tap into its vast wealth of potential payers while selection is limited to whether you attended Grey Bloem, or elite schools like Michaelhouse. SARU needs to make those same opportunities available to kids from rural KZN, from Attridgeville, from King Williamstown – the places of the country that are neglected by all. Black kids will flock to the game if it is well resourced.

  • 233.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 18:15 pm

    I find watching Keo TV a ball ache so haven’t even bothered watching.

    But just on the title, I have mentioned this before:

    ‘What legacy will Hoskins leave behind?’

    So he does not upset the apple-cart, some think that’s a good thing, I don’t.

    You are a leader, leaders instigate change and there is a lot of things in SA Rugby that need(ed) changing.

    SA Rugby needs leaders, not mediators.

  • 234.skunk: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 18:17 pm

    The sad thing is very few people are intrested in giving young black kids a chance 2 play the game they love. For the past three years i have bn around the province of KZN in places like Richmond and KwaMaphumulo getn kids intrested and playing. This i have done at my own expense because coperate south africa and all the lovely people who claim to love this game and country are never intrested (including this proud site). So why throw blame around whe we are all intresting in preserving how things are? Next year i am hoping to get a few more schools going but in all honesty a single person is just that. Maybe people should get off the fence and get involved…

  • 235.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 18:26 pm

    @skunk(skunk)-234:

    Very few people are interested in getting off their asses mate. I got tired of farting against thunder personally.

  • 236.skunk: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 18:55 pm

    Morne thats sad but very true. I do it for the love. I hope in time things improve but as u said farting against the wind mate…

  • 237.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 19:07 pm

    @skunk(skunk)-236:

    I feel you buddy.

    People like you really making a difference get no support.

    I applaud you for your determination. I just got tired to be honest. Guys like you are the real heroes in rugby, I know how tough it is.

  • 238.skunk: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 19:12 pm

    Well i wouldnt say I’m a hero jus an ardent beleiver in this lovely game. Speaking of which. I will try email you pictures of the Easter tournement i will host next year funds allowing…

  • 239.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 19:16 pm

    @skunk(skunk)-238:

    Knowing what you do and the sacrifice it takes mate, you are a hero to those kids whose lives you change.

    Send them off, will publish it with pleasure as well as any future projects you have coming up, just maybe a good samaritan sees it and helps to sponsor some of these events and projects.

  • 240.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 19:28 pm

    good on you skunk, well done mate.

  • 241.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 19:30 pm

    Finally. Two sensible posters.

  • 242.skunk: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 19:30 pm

    Yeah or we lucky and peole join in and take an intrest thats probably d bigger target….

    But i wil definately keep you connected with how things go…

  • 243.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 19:31 pm

    Sorry, three!

  • 244.skunk: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 19:36 pm

    Thanks Transie.

    Why thank you your highness..

  • 245.wooden spoon: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 19:41 pm

    @Dawn(Dawn)-243: aww thanks Dawn.

  • 246.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 19:46 pm

    @skunk(skunk)-242:

    Be sure to mail me dude, I am sure I can assist in providing some goodies those clubs and schools can use in a raffle to generate funds.

  • 247.madvillain: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 19:49 pm

    Keo always trying to stir trouble. You were happy when Brian van Rooyen was ousted by the President’s Council. On the other hand you are a President’s Council critic. I really do not get you. You are the know it all of rugby…doubt that very much.

    Under Brian van Rooyen SARU turned its first profit in a long time. He started to get the wheels going on transformation but he did not have the support of the big guns. Under his presidency we had an u21 and u19 world cup and it is in this very tenure that Jake White’s foundation for 2007WC win was laid.

    Now there’s a man who was ousted for other reasons and i am sure they were not rugby reasons because he delivered on his mandate. Oregan was always going to struggle coming in after van Rooyen. His task was to ensure that he is more mild mannered than Brian and that meant he had to keep a low profile and do a very tough balancing act. I think he has done just that.

    He has in fact pleased the President’s Council and maintained the status quo. He did what i expected him to do and i cannot call for his head now.

    Whoever comes in must really bring in a plan of how the boks can win 40 in 50 tests in between world cups. If a new president can deliver on that promise then it is fine by me.

  • 248.itsamyth: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 19:52 pm

    The concept of transformation needs to be clearly defined and maybe ditched altogether, dare I say it. From a rugby context, the the broad misgiuded assumption is that teams MUST, in an ideal world, mirror the demographics of a country. If I have got this wriong, then please correct me. To me it seems that all discussions about the transformation subject are centred on this argument as a given truth if you like. This is completely wrong and a sure recepie for resentment and increased polarisation and division, the consequences of which our children will pay for without a doubt. Instead, EQUAL OPPORTUNITY should be the goal and focus. That is, any child should be allowed the opportunity to realise their full potential in whatever field THEY CHOOSE. That is where resources should and must be targeted and not on a race-based numbers game. The best talent coupled with hard work, dedication, discipline etc. will then rise to the top and be rewarded. Surely this is the transparent and logical path South Africa must take. On what scientific grounds MUST the national team represent the the racial demographics of a country? It is a completely absurd concept just as it would be to expect the majority of the world’s high jumpers to come from China or India; a possibility but not necessarily a given natural expectation.

  • 249.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 19:54 pm

    @Dawn(Dawn)-241:

    Hey Dawn, I trust that the hook-up with UFO went down well? Sorry I could not make it.

  • 250.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    25 Aug 2011, 19:57 pm

    Ahem

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