KeoTV: Why Hoskins should quit

KeoTV: Why Hoskins should quit

MARK KEOHANE says Saru president Oregan Hoskins should resign as the failure to transform the Springboks is his fault, not Peter de Villiers’s.


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  • 301.rangerman: Reply to this comment

    @Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-297: ah, so you are a public servant eh?

  • 302.rangerman: Reply to this comment

    @Transformation(Transformation)-300: very sweet.

    you dont really qualify unfortunately.

    i do though so thanks for making me feel great!

  • 303.Tecumseh: Reply to this comment

    @rangerman(rangerman)-301: what! and miss out on that bee millions-don’t be silly now. :D

  • 304.Sheriff: Reply to this comment

    I think th escrutiny will become unbearable.

    The desire and expectation of an unreasonable and judgmental nation

  • 305.Tecumseh: Reply to this comment

    what happened now to that predator,skopskiet?

  • 306.rangerman: Reply to this comment

    @Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-303: you couldnt get your hand on millions even if you worked for the reserve bank sonny.

  • 307.Transformation: Reply to this comment

    @ 302: typical rangerman :roll:

  • 308.Sheriff: Reply to this comment

    See the ABs have to win this weekend’s match to take the Bledisloe Cup; they cannot adopt an attitude that they are now focussed on the RWC.

    Same applies to the Wallabies.

    What if major injuries, say to a Quade or Daniel come out of this week?

    These are some of the variables and or permutations that will be on the coaching staff’s minds.

    So it will be an intense 80 min only to count for very little a week later, pretty cruel if you ask me.

    From there on… of course the big one. The opening ceremony, the fireworks, the countless interviews and little events where the ABs will need to share their thoughts.

    I expect several incidents (tomfoolery) as the days and weeks drag on.

    It will be a case of AB fans wanting reassurance in every interview, every practice session, every event saying that they will do the business but no one will say it outright.

    No Kiwi interviewer will ask the question outright? Can we go all the way? But all the questions and nuances will actually imply it.

    Look out for SA commentators on Kiwi prog in their irrational desire to gauge the SA mindset or desire of the Boks to win again.

    It’s gonna be a cliffhanger, that’s for sure…

  • 309.rangerman: Reply to this comment

    @Transformation(Transformation)-307: call it typical buddy but if you make it your business to stir and belittle then forget about your positive actions acting like a little wave blah blah blah.

    i do enjoy your comments transie but i just think sometimes your motives are suspect.

    then again, we are poles apart i suppose so dont take it personally.

    i am out, tjorts.

  • 310.ashampoopaloo: Reply to this comment

    half bred scum like this is the scum that lowers the common denomination of humanity below that of any animal… this piece of half bred half witted garbage scum that thinks its clever is lower than a filthy rotten half bred ignorant uneducated trash talking filthy rat.

    Scum garbage of the absolute worst kind in any society is this piece of filthy capo scum infested rat..

    People come on here either to talk some rugby or else to banter among each other in a reasonably civilized manner… where it sometimes borders on the razors edge of inhumane filth, it occasionally resembles a whorehouse in ovulation, … however the outright trash that regurgitates from out this half breed piece of scums mind who thinks he has some kind of moralistic disposition to declare principles of morality by his pseudo garbage infested ratification, is the absolute worst piece of filthy rotten regurgitated trash anyone could ever have the misfortune of acquainting themselves with.

    this capo scum is the worst piece of outright filth this website has ever had the misfortune of entertaining…and if such be the levels it so desires to stoop to then better it gets its head out its arse and start reevaluating what denotes reasonable principles of communication and what don’t..

    I may have been bordering on the thin edge of inappropriate behavior here often enough and the numerous bannings of my Id’s speak for themselves, but this outright piece of inherently filthy garbage scum stoops well below any level of acceptable interaction… so if they want to continue in this medium of despicable lowlife entertainment…. let them count the cost of the reactions that simply are abhorred by such outright scum infested unscrupulous garbage behavioral trash.

  • 311.garth: Reply to this comment

    Sham, too much bitching without making any point.

  • 312.Transformation: Reply to this comment

    and you’re the arbiter of goodwill on this forum, making judgements on me & everyone hey?

    You must be suffering from a heavy bout of black pantilitis :D

  • 313.madvillain: Reply to this comment

    @ashampoopaloo: who are you referring to? I must say your last two posts are over the top. They perpetuate what you are trying to avoid.

    Who is your next SARU President and why?

  • 314.ashampoopaloo: Reply to this comment

    b’tch away… some scum here are simply abhorrent pieces of lowlife despicable filth… you wanna associate with such outright scum filth… keep going… wallow in the trash

    Outright Scum like some the half bred trash here that pretends to be educated or clever is worst garbage filth under the sun… scum of the absolute worst kind.. pity it ever took human birth because I swear to God it ain’t half human…. it belies its breeding or its humanity .. it is SCUM of the absolute worst filthy kind … second to none.

  • 315.Transformation: Reply to this comment

    madvillain: he is talking to tecumseh the gu who called a k*ff!r on this blog…

  • 316.Transformation: Reply to this comment

    *who called me

  • 317.madvillain: Reply to this comment

    @ Transie;

    ukuba bendinguwe bendizakubayeka ngoku. akufananwa yaye abafuni kuguquka kwaphela abaninzi. ithi ke loo nto thanda umbhoxo lo wakho ubayeke xa bengafuni ukuthetha inyani.

    eyona nto yenzekayo umdlalo wombhoxo uyayazi. bayeke. nam ndiyadikwa ngezinye imini kodwa niqonda ukuba mandithethe ngezombhoxo kuphela kuba abaninzi abanalwazi ngobomi bomntu omnyama.

  • 318.ashampoopaloo: Reply to this comment

    yeah its over the top Madvillain.. pity it takes over the top reaction to fleece out filthy half bred trash and spew it down the toilet of its own scum infested habitation .. there are some individuals in this creation … and pity is they are free to air their intoxicated self infested hatred in a publicly published domain … who are simply not worthy to be equated with the human species.. in fact you may find they are not human if you scratch away the surface of their scaly reptilian skins you will find outright venom infested veins and sinews of despicable poisonous hatred and inhumane judgment which does not represent or resemble a human being ONE LITTLE BIT..

    Next SARU president is hardly any of my concerns.. as far as rugby goes in relation to its somewhat relative importance in the grander scheme of things here… I am simply concerned whether they are going to go for the toffee apple pie in the sky opportunistic endeavor to hail John Smit as the greatest Bok rugby captain and play him up front in the world cup hooking pecking order.. or by some last minute miracle see reason and realize that the TEAM comes first and the INDIVIDUAL is a nonentity NOBODY !!

    That is all I’m currently evaluating with regard to the next chapter in Springbok rugby attributes and ambitions.

  • 319.madvillain: Reply to this comment

    @ Transie; if i were you i would get off the transformation subject as it typically lends itself to racism, which some bloggers are accustomed to.

    You know the game of rugby, stick to what you know. I too get tired of fighting “petty” battles on transformation. I choose to dwell on matters that are rugby related because most people who prefer to call black people infidels do not know much about the daily struggles on the other side.

    Now that is out of the way, what’s your take on Brian van Rooyen vs. Oregan Hoskins?

    Do you have anyone in mind for the presidency of SARU?

    Your take on the new currie cup format?

  • 320.madvillain: Reply to this comment

    317 & 319 are more or less the same thing.

  • 321.Transformation: Reply to this comment

    ndiyakuva mntakwethu, nam ndithethela nje ukuba bayazi ukuba asibuyi ngamva ngapha koko nje kukuncokola nje wena.

  • 322.TheAgent: Reply to this comment

    Pot k@k as jy my vra. It’s shocking that there are so few whites in the NBA, and so few blacks in the NHL. They, the North Americans, better sort that shite out. At least 75% of the NBA should be white, and at least 15% of the NHL should be black. Not even talking about the Spanish and First Nation people. Damn disgrace. :-)

  • 323.ashampoopaloo: Reply to this comment

    correct those posts are specifically and exactly the same thing… they are directed directly at the single unscrupulous inhumane garbage filth that comes on here posing as intelligence . and therefore such outright scum infested filth begets what it perpetuates… you ever hear of the saying sleep with dogs and you will undoubtedly get flees, continue associating with scum … and such will be the level of the interaction… how possibly could it be anything other?

  • 324.Slappes: Reply to this comment

    Transie, that sad mofo is just that. Agree with skop here.

  • 325.TheAgent: Reply to this comment

    @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-323: Vir wie is jy so kwaad?

  • 326.David: Reply to this comment

    @TheAgent(TheAgent)-322:
    Please explain “first nation people”. No doubt you think it’s a clever replacement for black.

  • 327.TheAgent: Reply to this comment

    @Transformation(Transformation)-316:

    19.keo said:
    25 Aug 2011, 14:21 pm
    This is what Hoskins said in 2007 after the Bok squad announcement. This is why he has failed the game.

    Hoskins, in an interview with the Independent Group newspapers at the weekend, has set a target of at least seven players of colour in the Springbok starting XV in the 2011 Rugby World Cup.

    Hoskins, at the weekend, again emphasises the fact that the game’s administrators, and not the national selectors, would be judged on transformation.

    “At the announcement of the 2007 World Cup squad I said the administration – and not the national selectors – must take the blame for the slow pace of transformation,” Hoskins was quoted as saying in the Independent Group newspapers.

    “We had to act immediately to address it, but there had to be substance to our way forward. There is no quick fix and we had to agree on a target for 2011. We have to ensure that every opportunity is created so that the national selectors can meet this target in the next four years.”

    Hoskins emphasised that he was looking at a targets, not quotas.

    “We, as the game’s leadership, must take charge of transformation issues. There can be no turning back on our commitment to change. We are not forcing the national coach to pick seven or eight black players in 2008. It is a target we believe can be achieved by the next World Cup when we can confidently say the Springboks represent everyone in South Africa, and that every player in the starting XV is there on merit. ‘

    Regan, the same two coloured wingers who started in the 2007 RWC final, and a black import from Zimbabwe is who will start four years later. You said it in 2007, blame the administration. So I am blaming you and that is why you should go.

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    21.Transformation said:
    25 Aug 2011, 14:25 pm
    @keo(keo)-19: spot on

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    293.Transformation said:
    25 Aug 2011, 20:53 pm
    keo, make yourself familiar with SARU’s transformation charter and all its details, from there you will get perspective as to whether regan has failed or succeeded.

    Just trying to nail him on the basis of a press statement will just end up as a cheap publicity ploy.

    The world cup is in 2 weeks time, let’s no look for a ‘staaldraad’ when there’s none

    ……………………………………………………………………….

    Say Whaaaaaaaaaat?

  • 328.Markel77: Reply to this comment

    You are correct Agent. I want cuotas for my hispanic brothers
    ¡¡¡Welcome to Tijuana, Tequila sexo y marihuana!!!

  • 329.TheAgent: Reply to this comment

    @David(David)-326: Google it. No, not black, not white. Tsk. Official term used by the Government, and by the “people” themselves.

    Next time, before you see things that are not there, remove your “everything-has-to-do-with-black-and-white” brilletjies. Not everyone has an obsession/desire to prove something/guilty conscience.

  • 330.ashampoopaloo: Reply to this comment

    @TheAgent(TheAgent)-325: jy kan mos raai as jy wil .. maar daai stuk sleg skuim is liewers ver weg van enege iemand se gedagtes…. los die fkkn sleg stuk siekte uit.. en konsentreer liewers op iets meer posetief..

  • 331.TheAgent: Reply to this comment

    @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-330: ET? He’s enjoys making you upset. Relax.

  • 332.ashampoopaloo: Reply to this comment

    who is trying to transform what… like keo trying to transform rugby… like Jake Whites Winning Ways enlightening endeavors…seriously some idiots are lost in the wilderness of their own deluded daydreams … who’s trying to fool whom ???

    Hoskins is still daylight ahead of some nobody nincompoop journalists who hold others accountable for something they themselves are still eons and light years away from understanding or beginning to fathom or appreciate.

  • 333.Gunther: Reply to this comment

    The good thing about people like capo is that they always meet a sticky end.

    Sooner or later.

  • 334.David: Reply to this comment

    @TheAgent(TheAgent)-329:
    Bullsh*t. I’m not seeing things that aren’t there. You introduced it and think you’re being clever with snide euphemisms.

  • 335.TheAgent: Reply to this comment

    @David(David)-334: I was making a sarcastic ******* joke man. See the ******* smiley? It has nothing to do with your life ambition to get a high from classifying everything into black and white hopies k@k. Rather be a man and apologise, or leave me alone. I’m not in the mood for snake-level conversations. If you dont know your history, or the difference between Chinese and Russian, Mexican and German, or Black and First Nation, it’s not my problem.

  • 336.Markel77: Reply to this comment

    Cmon David, first nation people = native americans

  • 337.TheAgent: Reply to this comment

    @Markel77(Markel77)-336: Close, but a little more complex. Basic idea yes. First Nation says exactly what it says. The first people to reside in North America, specifically Canada.

  • 338.David: Reply to this comment

    @TheAgent(TheAgent)-335:
    @Markel77(Markel77)-336:
    My apologies about the native americans. I’m just sick and tired of comparisons between the US and SA regarding racial makeup of sports teams. As for seeing things as black/white on a thread devoted to that, yes I do.

  • 339.ashampoopaloo: Reply to this comment

    @TheAgent(TheAgent)-331: nee sy gatgabba, sy tweeling in onnoselikheid…. los daai paar slegte gif infesteerd skandelike slange uit, hulle is egtelik die onoorwonderd siekte van sosialiteit

  • 340.ashampoopaloo: Reply to this comment

    wtf is a first nation people.. who are first nation inhabitants of anywhere?

    perhaps the martians landed here first.. so who is first to arrive and last to leave.. where?

  • 341.ashampoopaloo: Reply to this comment

    @David(David)-338:

    so what is the solution to the dilemma David .. how long how long before the dawning of the Age of Aquarius

    USA are couple decades or couple generations ahead in terms of sporting equanimity … UK and Europe too … we been so called ‘free’ for what is it now, exactly 17 years or so?.. might take another couple generations or decades before we start to catch up.

  • 342.David: Reply to this comment

    It’s all very well attacking Hoskins for the lack of transformation. The reality is that his hands have been tied by the Provincial Unions and their desire to pander to the support base that puts them into power. The president of SARU has very little executive power when it comes to enforcing policies on the unions themselves.

  • 343.ashampoopaloo: Reply to this comment

    Yip I agree those attacking Hoskins are mostly disgruntled toffee nosed Europeans who wouldn’t move from their position of upper echelon privilege if you tried escorting them out in a white horse driven hearse.

    It all takes time .. Rome weren’t built in a day or a decade or even in a lifetime… but though its been a long time coming, and I know yes I know.. a change is a gonna come.. oh yes it is.

  • 344.David: Reply to this comment

    @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-341:
    We need to get back to treating rugby as a game and not as a sport that defines the identity of white South African society.

  • 345.cab: Reply to this comment

    For the life of me I cannot see how driving a racial agenda like transformation is able to solve a racial problem. It wouldn’t make any difference to me if the SA rugby was entirely black, in fact i’d far prefer it, but trying to make it so is surely not the way to go. SA is mired in racial nonsense, its like a big chip on its shoulder that constantly weighs it down, its too be expected, but one wonders if it will every be able to truly supercede its racial roots.

  • 346.Tecumseh: Reply to this comment

    what would a liar knows about first nation people.skopskiet can’t even be honest with himself and admit where he was born.in the past couple of monts he has revealed three possible locations.the funny thing is that when he gets found out he always change the birth city for some obscure reason.he is a lioar of note which even sharkslover can attest to.this is a man that employs illegals in his business and in the process defrauds the sa authorities.i’ve got little time for this five foot one oke.

  • 347.ashampoopaloo: Reply to this comment

    @David(David)-344: it might be the last vestiges of the laager that don’t wanna be uncircled , you are right rugby is by no means a white mans dominion or a white mans heritage… rugby is a sport like any other.. it just happens to have taken root very strongly as a token of a sporting identity within a specific community… it may take a little time.. but it will be defrayed of its lone identity status pretty soon.. junior rugby is already showing huge strides of awakening among other societies and communities.. I give it another 20 – 30 years tops before it is completely inter dispersed within the broader spectrum of South African cultures altogether and completely.

  • 348.Tecumseh: Reply to this comment

    @Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-346: should read months and liar.

  • 349.ashampoopaloo: Reply to this comment

    @Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-346: You know actually fuckall about fuckall you pisswilly little runtcunt scumfaced ignoramus rat… you the pitiful arse end of anything remotely attributable to any morality standard, .. so get your lowlife cuntarse face outa others business and shove it where it actually belongs up your coconut k’ffir hating d’tchmen hating arse you pathetic little scumfaced piece of half bred conniving little excruciating trash heap infested unscrupulous scum mongrel rat.

  • 350.cab: Reply to this comment

    beautiful – i’ve obviously logged onto the wrong site, sounds like the royal society of thespians in full swing reciting love sonnets to one another.

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