Boks must now climb Everest
19 Sep 2011
MARK KEOHANE, in his weekly Business Day column, says a Bok win in a possible quarter-final against the Wallabies would come as a surprise.
Ireland turned the predictability of the World Cup play-offs upside down, but for all the new found hope among South African supporters I can’t see the Boks doing the same thing.
A week ago the Boks were rubbish, according to those on the social network. Once again they are a superpower.
There is no middle ground when it comes to South African rugby supporters – and may it never change. That kind of passion can’t be learned, but with blind faith comes inevitable disappointment when the obvious comes as a real shock. Remember how many were actually stunned when the All Blacks beat a second-string Bok XV 40-7 earlier this year? Too many.
On matters specific to the win against Fiji and the surge in confidence, Frans Steyn reveled in the midfield and the Springboks, apparently by their own admission, did a similar thing in playing the situation and not relying on a pre-match PowerPoint presentation of how to beat Fiji.
Bok lock Danie Rossouw admitted afterwards that it was never the plan for the Boks to be as bold and extravagant and added it showed the Boks could be more than boring.
There is a difference between clueless and boring. The Boks for too long have been clueless and, against better teams, who play with more structure in defence and more precision and aggression at the breakdown, it has been their undoing.
In Wellington, against inferior opposition, the Boks showed the immense individual talent of South African players. Francois Steyn was world class, Rossouw was ferocious and skilled and Heinrich Brussouw, Jaque Fourie, Bismarck du Plessis and Francois Hougaard were as good as they were in week one against Wales.
And never forget Schalk Burger. He is always worth two players. It was fun to watch, fun for the players to be a part of and a shift from the toil and hardship of the Tri Nations. It was a necessary and decisive hit out for the Boks against a team with the odd quality individual, but little collectively.
It is difficult to get too enthused about whipping Fiji and those doing cartwheels because the Boks scored six tries and scored 49 points against a team that conceded 25 to Namibia not only insult the pedigree of the Boks, but also miss the point. Nothing out of the ordinary happened in Wellington.
Fortunately captain John Smit wasn’t one of them and he said the most pleasing aspect was the Boks kept the Fijians tryless, albeit with a bit of help from the Islanders who self-destructed on attack and were never in the match defensively.
Fiji were good in the 2007 World Cup, but only three of the side that beat Wales to advance to the quarter-finals fronted the Boks in Wellington. Get excited that the Boks were willing to back their natural talent and instincts, but don’t get excited that Fiji represent anything in the context of winning this World Cup.
Ireland’s amazing victory against Australia in Auckland was more significant for the Boks than brushing aside Fiji. Every South African loves seeing Australia lose, but it was not the result the Boks would have expected or wanted.
Sure players have to back themselves to beat anyone to win this tournament but every Bok would rather entertain the prospect of Ireland in a quarter-final than an Australian side already taught a lesson in this tournament.
Jake White’s winning 2007 World Cup squad did not get to play Australia, New Zealand or France, but there hasn’t been similar good fortune for Peter de Villiers and there is no tougher assignment than having to beat Australia, probably New Zealand and possibly France in successive weekends in New Zealand. If the Boks negotiate those three mountains they will have scaled rugby’s Everest and it will rank as the greatest ever Bok achievement.
I can’t see it happening and it would be a surprise for the Boks to beat the Tri-Nations champions in the play-offs, if indeed this match-up takes place. As it stands it should with South Africa and Ireland the favourites to win their respective groups.
The Boks, like their supporters, will always have confidence and never be found wanting for self belief, but the reality is Australia has beaten South Africa four of the last five matches, including two in South Africa.
They are also on a three-match winning streak against the Boks and the match will be in Wellington and not at Eden Park – a ground that seems to scramble with the Australian minds as much as Ellis Park does those of the All Blacks.
Ireland’s win, brilliant to watch, exposed the lack of depth in the Australian pack and for the Wallabies to succeed flanker David Pocock and hooker Steven Moore have to be starting.
It makes for a fascinating next three weeks. The Boks will humiliate Namibia and get more than a few bruises against Samoa.
Australia is a different beast and they’re a side that has troubled South Africa even more than the All Blacks.
No matter what anyone may say and despite all the bravado among South Africa’s support base these are more nervous times for South Africa, as defending champion, than Australia as a potential champion.
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19 Sep 2011, 13:52 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-143: Agree totally that Jannie needs a rest. A whole game to rest. CJ play him for the full game against Nambia. He surely needs game time.
19 Sep 2011, 13:53 pm
100 – Pissant
Would be far more in France’s interests to ‘lose’ to NZ this weekend and keep petrol in the tank by going the other route to the Final – play either a Bok or NZ team exhausted from the semi-final … and then play French rugby at its best.
Not an impossible scenario – upsetting the cattle cart and cocky predictions is what they do better than anyone.
France or SA to bring back the Cup – so long as it isn’t NZ or Wallabies.
19 Sep 2011, 13:55 pm
Auckland – Samoa centre Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu has described Rugby World Cup organisers’ treatment of Samoa as “like slavery, like the holocaust, like apartheid” in a foul-mouthed rant on Twitter.
Fuimaono-Sapolu was livid after the 17-10 loss to Wales in Hamilton on Sunday that Samoa had to play the critical match to make the quarterfinals only four days after meeting Namibia, while Wales had a full week off after losing to South Africa.
He dared the IRB to suspend him.
Among his tweets:
“Ok, it’s obvious the IRB are unjust. Wales get 7 days, we get 3. Unfair treatment, like slavery, like the holocaust, like apartheid.”
“IRB, Stop exploiting my people. Please, all we ask, is fairness. If they get a week, give us a week. Simple.”
“I wonder how would these tier 1 teams function after only three days rest.”
“Give Wales 3 days off, and give Samoa a week!! We would kill them!!!”
“Hey IRB. Suspend me but give Wales the same days off as Samoa.”
The World Cup scheduling was favoured towards TV ratings winners, the big tier one teams who deliver to the IRB broadcasting rights money which, in turn, pays for development of the game in the tier two nations such as Samoa.
Samoa and Wales were in the toughest group in the tournament, alongside South Africa, Fiji and Namibia. Samoa has to play its four pool games within 16 days. South Africa has 19 days and Wales 21.
Talk about whinging … who did they play 3 days before Wales, Namibia? Hell they could have fielded their B team, klapped the desert rats and saves thier A team for dragons.
19 Sep 2011, 13:57 pm
@RL(RL)-153: Classic.
19 Sep 2011, 13:59 pm
Ireland are more than capable of messing things up for themselves and ending up back on the Boks’ side of the draw.
Gert Smal has done wonders with the Ireland forwards, yes, but they are still plagued by that word all Province and Stormers fans will recognise well – inconsistency. And with Ireland, that is far from from restricted to the forwards.
19 Sep 2011, 14:02 pm
keo, you have been wrong so many times before, so I’m not holding my breath on your predictions!! come on bokke!!
19 Sep 2011, 14:03 pm
@RL(RL)-153:
Didn’t hear them moaning in ’07 when they played a Tongan team who’d had 3 days rest when they’d had 6 themselves.
ps. they lost then too.
19 Sep 2011, 14:04 pm
@Tartan(Tartan)-155: They still have to play Italy. Who had Oz at 6-6 at half time before Oz eventually pulled away.
Could Italy pull off a win against Ireland? They just may. They have Mallett as their coach. So he will have them ready too..lol. Well they could who knows.
19 Sep 2011, 14:04 pm
@Tartan(Tartan)-155: “still plagued by that word all Province and Stormers fans will recognise well” Ahem
Like your work. Triple edged sword
19 Sep 2011, 14:04 pm
@Tartan(Tartan)-155: Against who though? Don’t see it happening really. Italy?
19 Sep 2011, 14:05 pm
Okay I am off.
Cheers everyone. Catch up later or tomorrow.
19 Sep 2011, 14:07 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-159: Yeah. Not really that funny.
19 Sep 2011, 14:08 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-162: Hehehehe
19 Sep 2011, 14:08 pm
@Puma(Puma)-161: Cheers.
19 Sep 2011, 14:10 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-147:
And here we have to commend PDV. He took the heat for ‘resting’ his players for the TriNations tour as well as persisting with JS and a few other old heads. Div’s getting it right.
@Puma(Puma)-151:
Jannie is a valuable asset to this team, he understands he has an important role and has really lifted his game.
When last have you seen Jannie stranded at first receiver gasping for breath and dropping the ball like a warm patat? He’s come along nicely the good ol’ Doc.
19 Sep 2011, 14:15 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-148:
What do we make of the French so far?
Im trying to see something special, it’s threatening to come out any moment so will it be seen this weekend?
Their 9/10 combo is on par with the AB’s on balance, NZ’s centres are better and in the back 3 they cancel each other out.
I think their 8 who played this weekend together with their captain when he returns will be a handful if France can get parity in the tight-loose.
19 Sep 2011, 14:17 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-160:
As previously mentioned, Italy are capable of it.
They really should have beaten Ireland in Rome this year (missed 2 penalties and a conversion, lost narrowly). Yes, they’re a completely different prospect when not playing at home, but if it turns into a forward’s battle they’ll be in with a shout.
D’Arcy looked like he’s done his hamstring against the Wallabies too, which would be a massive boost for Italy.
19 Sep 2011, 14:18 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-162:
Wasn’t meant to be funny, sadly.
19 Sep 2011, 14:18 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-166: For me they look good without looking amazing. They have a history of lifting their game when they are on tour against higher ranked teams so this is perfectly set up for them I guess.
I’m not picking them this time though. Just don’t see NZ losing this one.
For me the only teams that can arrest the black tide will be us and Australia.
19 Sep 2011, 14:20 pm
@Tartan(Tartan)-167: I hear you but after what I saw from them against Australia I will be surprised if Italy can pull it off.
But this tournament has thrown up it’s share of surpises so far, so why the hell not I guess?
19 Sep 2011, 14:23 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-165: He took heat not for “resting” but for the way he stupidly painted himself into a corner in doing it… The denials, the stupid lies… Nope, I refuse to be a Dippy apologist. Instead I see the influence of Rassie and Nienaber coming through with the Boks at the moment…. Rassie is coaching the coaches in the matchday box all the time for all to see.
19 Sep 2011, 14:27 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-109: did you see when stransky showed footage of our scrums and then asked “does jannie scrum in” none of the “panel” denied it
it was there in the clips we just saw.
19 Sep 2011, 14:30 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-171: yeah, like Eddie did to Jake…it’s quite funny to see
19 Sep 2011, 14:31 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-172: I saw that. Fact is, every tighthead scrums in when they can get away with it, as it’s one way to get that right shoulder.
I don’t think Jannie is any different to any of the others…
I must say though, I found yesterday’s program to be one of the more illuminating that I’ve seen in quite a while! That’s one hellofa pannel that they have there.
What did you make of it?
19 Sep 2011, 14:32 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-171: I think having Jaques and Rassie there may just make enough of a difference to make us genuine contenders.
What do you recon?
19 Sep 2011, 14:32 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-173: For once we agree
19 Sep 2011, 14:35 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-175: I do and will stand to be “humbly corrected” on all things Stormer if we do
There is a notable pattern coming through on D… tempered and steeled by Bulls power and obvious Sharkie/Vrystaat intelligence on offence
19 Sep 2011, 14:38 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-177: Dare i dream????
19 Sep 2011, 14:45 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-178: hehe
19 Sep 2011, 14:46 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-171:
But as @Transformation(Transformation)-173: mentions here, shouldn’t he be credited for bringing them in similiar to Jake when Eddie came on board?
Div knew our defence let us down in 2010, and this is something which is usually the cornerstone of all good Bok sides so bringing in Nienaber was a good decision on his part, not so?
Also, getting Rassie was Divs call.
What i want to see now as some well worked playes without our structure, like Spies taking the ball at spide on the wider channels after quick ruck ball. Setpiece plays from attacking line-outs/scrums in the opposition’s 22. The way I see we might see things like that going into the last pool match.
The resting of players we’ll never know as we had doctors confirming these players were injured and SANZAR checking up on it and Div came out clean. But you’ll dispute this fact so we’ll leave that one for the archives.
But give the man some credit as you’ll see he made the hard decisions, had to take the heat for that and right now it’s looking like it has an almighty chance of working out for him.
19 Sep 2011, 14:47 pm
dang!@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-180: well worked plays WITHIN our structure!
19 Sep 2011, 15:00 pm
Keo is not giving the boks any odds, this is a great side, its in the bag.
19 Sep 2011, 15:01 pm
oops, side = sign.
as long as he keeps calling them against the Boks we’ll go all the way.
19 Sep 2011, 15:03 pm
@RL(RL)-153: This guy needs to check himself! Samoa played their very first game against Namibia, got virtually an extra week in preparation time than all the other teams, having not played in the first rounds, when Namibia had just come off a game against Fiji! Fark him, he needs to pipe down!
19 Sep 2011, 15:05 pm
The France/NZ pool game will be interesting. The loser will not have to face Australia/South Africa in the semi’s, end up in the easier half of the playoffs and have an easier route to the final. Now there is a reward for losing a match!
A great draw is such a beautiful thing to waste and Australia did it!
Personally, I think we can smoke the Aussies in the quarters. They were lucky to win the Durban 3N test. Remember it was the first test this year for our “A-team” and they were clearly running out of steam at the end combined with the lack of cohesion of playing a few games together – they are an upward curve now. The only worry is the jawbreaker test against Samoa before the quarters.
19 Sep 2011, 15:07 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-180: Look, DippyDicky and Gold have been a farkup based on a calamity for too long now for me to credit Dippy with anything whatsoever. He had control over who his assistants were from when he first became Bok coach and DickMuir especially has been spectacularly deficient as backline coach.
He tried to get rid of them and was spectacularly unsuccessful when nobody wanted to touch the assistant jobs with a bargepole. While the three clowns were on tour in the 3N, Rassie was quietly teaching the “injured” back in the “secret” training camp how to defend and be a team again.
Fark if I’m going to credit Dippy for a job he and his coaches should have been doing for 4 years now.
19 Sep 2011, 15:15 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-186: Well said. There’s enough evidence to show PDV up as out of his depth at this level. No further evidence required.
19 Sep 2011, 15:19 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-186:
I posted this last week as well and this is how I see it.
Div’s made his mistakes, and he’s admitted to it.
#1 Not backing his own plan when he came into power. Instead he bargained with the seniors and on the back of that we beat Australia by a record score when Jongi scored 4 i think.
#2 We then went on tour2008 and won all our games. In 2009 we won the Lions series as well as Trinations. PDV’s next blunder came as he took a tired outfit on tour in search of more glory when the better option would’ve been to take younger guys and develop them further. He’s admitted to this mistake just recently and has to live with it.
#3 He tried to get rid of Gold n Muir, couldn’t do so as he had isolated himself. Another mistake by him which he acknowledged and learned from. Nienaber didn’t want to help the Boks, but Div gave Rassie an opportunity at WC glory and this opened the way for Nienaber to join in. In the end Div got his man by hook or by crook.
So by taking all of these things into account from 2008 – 2010 you’ll see that Div took it all on board and from there formulated his strategies for 2011.
Ultimately he, like Deans & even Henry with a 80 plus % will be judged on how they do at this WC.
19 Sep 2011, 15:20 pm
Boks will smoke Aussie’s. Their inexperience showed against Ireland. Genia can’t play behind a losing pack and Cooper has got too clever (reverse pass, 10 min to go and 5 points in game). Also I don’t think Quade will want to face All Blacks right now, if ever there was a bit of needle between them he’s aggrevated it.
19 Sep 2011, 15:20 pm
Personally, I rate the current Springboks as mountaineers.
The real Everest remains for the New Zealanders who will need to perform despite mounting public pressure on them to finally win the damn thing.
Will they be able to overcome the odds as that plucky New Zealander, Edmund Hillary, did in 1953?
Or will Fate have yet another cruel twist in store for them?
19 Sep 2011, 15:21 pm
Catt attack: Quade Cooper needs shooting Paul Cully
September 19, 2011
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Jonah Lomu charges through the tackle of Mike Catt in Cape Town in 1995. Photo: Getty Images
You knew it was coming, and they did not disappoint.
With more than a hint of “we told you so” the English press has gone to town on the Wallabies, with All Blacks legend Sean Fitzpatrick leading a chorus of fulsome praise for Bryce Lawrence while 2003 World Cup winner, and Jonah Lomu doormat, Mike Catt declared that Quade Cooper “needs shooting”.
“The points came from scrum penalties, and there will be controversy about that,” Fitzpatrick wrote in The Sunday Times. “But I thought that the referee, Bryce Lawrence, had it right, because Ireland were clearly on top. The props get the credit for this but for me it was Rory Best at hooker who was at the centre of things.”
Advertisement: Story continues below The theme was predictably mirrored by Times colleague Stephen Jones. “It was up front where Ireland excelled,” Jones opined . “…with Cian Healy, Rory Best and Mike Ross engaging with the Australian pack, dominating and beasting them after a slow start with such a devil-like finality that the New Zealand referee, Bruce Lawrence, was compelled to award the penalties which win them the match.”
Former England international Paul Ackford, in the London Telegraph, went even further, arguing the man who sent the Twitterati into a lather practically deserves a knighthood. “The annihilation of the Wallaby scrum was complete and Kiwi referee Bryce Lawrence deserves huge credit for the way he administered the contest,” Ackford wrote. “Most southern hemisphere referees opt out of awarding penalties…the Wallabies were very second best but some refs would have bottled it.”
The Guardian’s Eddie Butler concurred that the Wallabies scrum was turned to “rubble” by the tournament’s oldest squad, but also hinted at the magnitude of the surprise, given that Ireland’s props – Cian Healy in particular – have experienced of plenty of criticism themselves from northern critics. “If a measure of eye-rubbing incredulity went with the Irish resurrection, it grew even more remarkable with the manner of its making,” Butler wrote. “It was born of a scrummage that won the engagement, as they say – the critical moment of impact.”
But Catt, like all good backs, was averse to handing out all the praise to the fat boys.
“Full credit to the the Irish pack for the way they rattled Australia but Quade Cooper, the Wallabies fly-half, needs shooting for a performance like that,” Catt wrote in the London Telegraph. “His game management was awful. This is a World Cup and it’s all about winning games of rugby. But Cooper tried a lot of fancy tricks in the first half which didn’t come off and put Australia under pressure.
“His failure to manage the game allowed Ireland back in every time Australia scored. When that keeps happening it just kills your team. It was wet and greasy in Auckland, there were never going to be many tries scored and it wasn’t going to be a day for clever chip kicks.”
Yet for all the analysis, the striking image chosen by The Sunday Times to lead their sports liftout said it best. Taken by Philippe Lopez, it showed a grimacing Will Genia being hauled backwards by Stephen Ferris from the base of that first-half scrum. While the lonely figure of James O’Connor is pictured trying to support Genia, the determined face of Paul O’Connell lurks behind Ferris.
For the record, Jones’ Wallaby player ratings were as follows: Beale 7, O’Connor 6, Fainga’a 4, McCabe 5, Ashley-Cooper 5, Cooper 6, Genia 6, Samo 5, McCalman 4, Elsom 5, Horwill 4, Vickerman 6, Alexander 5, Polota-Nau 5, Kepu 3.
Ackford saw it this way: Beale 8, O’Connor 6, Faingaa 5, McCabe 4, Ashley-Cooper 5, Cooper 7, Genia 7, Samo 4, McCalman 3, Elsom 5, Horwill 5, Vickerman 5, Alexander 3, Polota-Nau 4, Kepu 3.
Quote of the day: “You’re married. Pull your head in, mate.” The words of an unidentified Australian tourist to Mike Tindall outside the Altitude Bar, as reported in The Mail on Sunday.
Insight of the day: “It would seem Martin Snedden and his New Zealand organising committee have played a blinder in persuading Kiwis to embrace fixtures that would not normally arouse global interest.” The Guardian’s Robert Kitson is impressed by the crowd and atmosphere at the Argentina v Romania game in Invercargill.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/rugby-world-cup/catt-attack-quade-cooper-needs-shooting-20110918-1kg7z.html#ixzz1YP7qyZgz
19 Sep 2011, 15:21 pm
“Ho Ho average rugby player John Smit”
and now you know why Kitch Christie was a legend, win or lose Bokke behind you all the way every day till Billie comes home or you come back on your shields.
Keo, your arrogance is immense but I commend your continued cheap shots at the Boks you are an excellent motivational erm,….TOOL.
19 Sep 2011, 15:22 pm
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-188:
Thanks for reminding me of that snotting we gave the Wallabies at Ellis Park in 2008
19 Sep 2011, 15:22 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-187:
There’s enough evidence to suggest otherwise. He won’t be in the Hall of Fame as far as winning % goes, but the man as put himself and his team in the best possible position to be immortalized in world rugby.
19 Sep 2011, 15:24 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-190:
Fate might take a cruel turn this weekend already, with nobody willing to give the French a sniff, as always!
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-193:
Don’t be too shocked if the QF takes shape like that, highly unlikely but like Div said before that match if we click in this tournament somebody’s gonna get a hiding!
19 Sep 2011, 15:28 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-187: @wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-188: My mind is made up on Dippy.
I’m just glad that we may be seeing the Boks awaking from an extended stupour of slumber. I hope its no false dawn. The difference is Rassie and Nienaber – change in influence – change in outcomes…
19 Sep 2011, 15:33 pm
and no I actually have never said the Boks were rubbish, and I have never stopped rating Smit and Matfield as players, fark Pienaar you called them crayfish, so close buddy they are actually prawns.
19 Sep 2011, 15:37 pm
The Irish scrummed smart really – keep the ball at 8 for a second or two to keep a no8 pick up in the minds of the Australian’s, then put in a secondary shove as soon as they began to break anticipating it.
Lawrence was giving the penalties based on dominance and Irish tactics ensured that even when the Aussies gave as good as they got they still looked well beaten. Experienced pack and good coaching.
19 Sep 2011, 15:39 pm
Everyone wanna shoot PdV for bringing the Boks this far.. its due to PdV that they firing the way they are.. Its PdV that has gotten Rassie on board whereas Jake the snake went for an Aussie fake to get him out of a jam…
PdV has wrested and invested ALL his faith and his honor and the potential Glory plus ALL his loyalty in his right hand men.. he has EVEN patched things up with Gold, and Muir.. now he has Nienaber and Rassie in his corner.. with Matfield and Smit pulling for him..
He has ALL the Boks pulling together.. including fdP who was ready to chuck it after 2007 AND Frans Steyn who didn’t want nowt to do with a little brown skinned coach after his holy white mentor baled for the back door…
So in REAL terms IN SPITE of what most these two faced pseudo Bok supporters suggest here.. it is NOT the puppet being pulled along by the short and curlies via the puppeteers of the JW circus.. he is running his OWN show.. ringmaster at the helm.. and although he don’t show the grandiose plumage of a fake two faced ego maniac like his predecessor.. he is STILL getting FAR more respect and result from his collection of troops by AMALGAMATING the forces of antithesis together as BEST as he can.. and by and large is SUCCEEDING WAY past the negative representations of those who hate his guts..
19 Sep 2011, 15:39 pm
I seem to recall a certain wet and cold night in Ireland and a certain Jake white and co being pilloried for losing to gosh darn it Ireland, mmmm the wonder boys of Auss just been done, I wonder what these woeful and inept and inferior and also not getting paid lots of money to play rugby Northern hemisphere non professionals will serve up next. I mean the entire northern hemisphere year revolves around the outbound and inbound tours, its not like they have a competition to focus on like the tri-nations oh unless you disregard that second rate palooka comp called the six nations, dont wanna win that just want to beat the Southern Hemisphere rugby gods
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