KeoTV: Boks face premature exit
19 Sep 2011
RYAN VREDE says the Springboks’ World Cup journey will end in the quarter-finals.
KeoTV: Boks face premature exit
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19 Sep 2011, 13:35 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-139: Agree 100% with what you say. I also think Samoa is going to be a huge test for us. But I also think the Welsh have their moments and that first game against us was one of them. It all needs to be seen in perspective. I dont think Wales will do quite as well as we did especially with a Fijian team smarting after that loss. I think they thought they had a sniff with us after the last WC. So the next 2 weeks will be telling. Its anyones game basically is what i´m saying. i just dont buy into the fact we are has beens as Ryan wants us to believe. Danie (an old man by their standards) was huge on Sat, Smit (who I dislike) even had a decent game. I cant see it being a problem for them – Schalk another one – he is playing like the Schmulk again – the guy is a one man demolition machine again. Matfield has had a bit more rest – I think he will pull through well. Fourie du preez is showing slow signs of improvement. etc etc.
19 Sep 2011, 13:37 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-145: well said man. well said.
19 Sep 2011, 13:38 pm
Slumtown: score in Dunedin was AB 60 – fiji 14.
19 Sep 2011, 13:39 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-145: I give as good as I get on this blog…
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-141: IT WAS FIJI… against a much better organised defence (i.e Wales), you guys backline didnt look at all cohesive…. lets see if they can do the same against Samoa huh?
19 Sep 2011, 13:39 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-149:
NZ isn’t pacific island. We’re not talking about the Sipi Tau and all that here. I’m talking about the Maori haka
19 Sep 2011, 13:41 pm
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-148: exactly they beat them by 46 points which is exactly the same margin as our game on Saturday. Highlighting my point that Fiji are not as weak a team as being made out here. if they played Japan tomorrow who knows – I think theyd probably win. Not dissing Japan – theyve been punching well above their weight. But them winning the Asian cup isnt the be all and end all. Also IRB ratings is suspect – how many tests have the Fijians played and how often did they have afirst string team?
19 Sep 2011, 13:41 pm
Any exit for the Boks is premature.
19 Sep 2011, 13:42 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-153: exactly 46 point margin. just like I said.
19 Sep 2011, 13:43 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-154: yes buddy read my previous posts and stop being silly now. We also had Jean de Villiers and Habana playing against Wales. Perhaps thats the difference?
19 Sep 2011, 13:43 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-154: we shall against Samoa – youre going to be eating your own poop. Mark this post – we shall speak again.
19 Sep 2011, 13:46 pm
Hendrickp 155: and how is that different?
19 Sep 2011, 13:48 pm
Anyways,
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here guys.
Ireland still needs to play Italy.
France still needs to play NZ.
England still needs to play Scotland.
19 Sep 2011, 13:49 pm
Slumtown 158: all I’m saying is that whether it’s Japan or Fiji, the top teams can’t lift a lot of info from those games, it’s great for confidence but outside of that you can’t really draw much.
19 Sep 2011, 13:49 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-159:
Those 2 aren’t the difference. The difference was an all-round performance by the team. We were very undercooked against Wales and were sorta screwed at the breakdowns.
Habana is good enough to start.
Jean probably should sit out considering the performance of Frans at 12. But I wouldn’t really panic if he started at 12.
If everyone plays with the same energy we did on Saturday, we’ll be just fine.
19 Sep 2011, 13:49 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-161: NZ is 3 islands in the pacific, so not sure what hes on about to be honest…
19 Sep 2011, 13:49 pm
what’s up with saffas today.first we had willie asking bloggers to mark his post.
now we have slumtown asking to do the same thing.earlier on we had hg,although tecnically he he is not a saffa,asking us to mark his post that wales or ireland will end up in the final.just shows what a victory over fiji can do for the mentally challenged
19 Sep 2011, 13:51 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-161:
They aren’t doing any of the Pacific Island dances all over the place. I’m referring only to the Haka. The rest of those dances are only done before the games, nowhere else.
All the teams participating at this World Cup can’t walk into a room without having to stand and watch someone doing a haka. It really is overkill.
New Zealand doesn’t fall under the Pacific Islands either
19 Sep 2011, 13:53 pm
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-166: Here is another post for you to mark.
South Africa.
England
Playing in the final.
Teams who know how to compete at WCs.
SA have won 2 WCs.
Eng have won 1 WC.
NZ, on the other hand, have merely won 1 invitational trophy.
19 Sep 2011, 13:55 pm
@willievz(willievz)-168: “NZ, on the other hand, have merely won 1 invitational trophy.” Eish
19 Sep 2011, 13:55 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-165:
Ok my argument is flawed. It is a pacific island yes. But living in NZ, how often do you hear people refer to NZ as part of the ‘Pacific Islands’?
Rugby terms that usually refers to teams like Samoa, Fiji, Tonga, Cook Islands etc. Not New Zealand.
19 Sep 2011, 13:55 pm
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-166: And…?
19 Sep 2011, 13:59 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-163:
You can take something more than that. NZ can take heart from Ellis’ game at 9, Kahui on the wing and Kaino’s storming game taking into account Richie’s lack of usual impact and Reid’s unavailability.
They need to pick a settled side and give them an extended run.
The Boks can be pleased with JS keeping up with the Fijian pace of play and work in the tight-loose, Spies looking stronger, Lambie’s solid outing, Frans’ game at 12 and overall cohesion.
Things like M.Steyn’s linebreak or Jannie’s carries or Brussow’s chip kick is all good and fun, but we don’t base our positive outlook on things like that. No, we see a pattern developing and guys coming into form.
That’s why we’re optimistic because this team will get better.
19 Sep 2011, 13:59 pm
Poppa: to differentiate the haka from other island calls to war makes little sense.
19 Sep 2011, 14:00 pm
@willievz(willievz)-168: south africa?were they not worthy of an invitation?
19 Sep 2011, 14:00 pm
Hendrickp: how is NZ not a pacific island?
19 Sep 2011, 14:02 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-171: Neither is Beast, Skinstad, Teichmann, Garvey, Ian Mac, Mordt and many more “technically Saffas”…? Truly a Pooper and Panty class poster deluxe
19 Sep 2011, 14:03 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-175:
Kiwis don’t identify themselves as ‘Pacific Islanders’ is what I should have said. Whereas other countries like Samoa, or Tonga do.
19 Sep 2011, 14:06 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-173: agree totally… no one ever moans about the other “haka’s”..
its only ever NZs that is a problem… do you think hendrik knows that the WC is being played in the home of the haka? probably not…
19 Sep 2011, 14:10 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-178:
The Fijians, Tongans & Samoans don’t do it at every street corner either.
I could care less about it being the home of the haka. Fact is it’s overkill. It gets boring. Few players on twitter apparently also saying how there are haka’s everywhere they go.
Save it for special occasions. At the moment it’s far far too much.
You weren’t one of those ones who thought John Key was in the wrong for not greeting people in Maori at the World Cup Opening Ceremony were you? Should’ve done it in Chinese as well then.
19 Sep 2011, 14:10 pm
hendrikp has joined the group of perpetual liars here on keo.he might just turn our heads into believing that nz is situated in the atlantic ocean.
19 Sep 2011, 14:12 pm
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-179: its a unique and significant way for kiwi fans to show their support,
did we all have to put up with those anoying vuvuzelas at the soccer WC?
whats the difference?
19 Sep 2011, 14:12 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-178: It might have something to do with the fact that you’ve turned it into an airport kiosk trinket. A curio. As I posted on another thread, if I were the Boks, and we faced them in the semis, I’d have a handful of coins in my pocket to toss at their feet when they’re done.
19 Sep 2011, 14:13 pm
Wpstormerbok 172: I’m not convinced that one can take that much out of it. Ellis needed a run, I’m not a great fan if his but he’s the best distributor that AB’s have at 9, however, that game is not the acid test you’d want for your 9, though Japan has great structures, they don’t have the individual players to apply the necessary pressure to test Ellis or kahui. The boks faced a disorganized Fiji, with no set piece. As I said I think a better test will be Samoa, this could provide somewhat of a gauge. Even with a marauding forward pack Fourie du Preez was not that convincing. It’s good have a proper run out but you must contextualize it.
19 Sep 2011, 14:14 pm
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-180:
I’ve been living in New Zealand for roughly a decade, and I’ve never hard any kiwi call himself a pacific islander. Let’s leave it at that because you’ve clearly got an agenda.
19 Sep 2011, 14:16 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-181:
Is there a difference between blowing on a vuvuzela and doing a haka? Are you for real?
The Haka is a war dance. It’s supposed to mean something. Blowing on a vuvuzela was a bit of fun for the supporters, not only South Africans but everybody that attended games.
19 Sep 2011, 14:17 pm
It’s actually quite sad, but it is indeed a victim of overkill. I used to love watching the haka, I was even a bit piissed off the last time I saw it live in CT and everyone drowned it out with those annoying little bluddy drums.
But now it’s like watching a tightly choreographed episode of Strictly Come Dancing.
19 Sep 2011, 14:17 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-183: Um, WPstormerbok did contextualise it.
19 Sep 2011, 14:20 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-182: Id really like the Bokke to do that… would be like calling you guys ********, that same sort of level of respect…
so you guys think our cultures non important and something to laugh at? . Id love to see one of you do that to someone performing the Haka at the time, Im sure they would welcome the spare change…
19 Sep 2011, 14:23 pm
Hendrickp: we both agree that new zealand is in the pacific ocean and that it’s an island, whether people in NZ call themselves pacific islanders immaterial. Once again, the haka is a core part of their culture whether you like it or not, I’m certain they don’t really care either way. My understanding it’s a form of respect to opposing teams, and is being utilized as a cultural focal point for this WC in NZ. Chief come home, there are a few vuvuzelas waiting for you! lol
19 Sep 2011, 14:24 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-181: I think you’ve unwittingly put your finger on the problem there.
No, it isn’t much different to soccer fans blowing a vuvuzela. It should be, but it’s not.
It should be respected, revered, reserved for special occasions. It should be treated like a cultural heritage. But instead it’s become an “Olé, olé, olé”. A Mexican wave. A blast on a Vuvuzela.
19 Sep 2011, 14:24 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-186:
When a bunch of kids can chat on facebook and arrange to do it in a shopping mall so they can put it on youtube for a little attention… that tells the whole story.
I enjoyed it more when it was rarely done. Now I can’t go anywhere without seeing it.
Sort of like chocolate. I love having a chocolate bar every week or so, but if I had a couple shoved down my throat everyday I’d get sick of it.
19 Sep 2011, 14:25 pm
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-174: No, South Africa and their “Springboks” were not worthy of an invitation.
Unfortunately so for New Zealand, who therefore cannot call themselves a World Cup winner.
19 Sep 2011, 14:26 pm
This marketing overkill of the haka can be compared to the South African way of marketing black culture.
From orchestras to choirs to wine festivals, chuck ‘Soweto’ in front and you are guaranteed instant success home and abroad.
19 Sep 2011, 14:26 pm
And there you have it. Pooper’s silly, unfounded bitterness at all things Saffa exposed… again. Luvvingit
19 Sep 2011, 14:29 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-189:
It’s a form of respect from local maori when they do it at welcoming ceremonies yes.
But when randoms get together to do it at a shopping mall, I can’t agree that it’s respectful to anybody. If anything it’s a nuisance.
19 Sep 2011, 14:29 pm
hendrickp might be losing his knickers when the boks klap the namibians 100-0 on thursday.can’t wait to see what lies he will be spinning to make us believe that the boks are the gladiators of the universe.the victory over fiji should be seen as just a game against a mediocre team.the way saffas go on after that victory is like scots,accept for mr.salmon, believing that they are truly a free nation.
19 Sep 2011, 14:30 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-188:
Relax pops, it’s not a cultural thing, it’s an overkill thing. Like Scotland and bagfarkinpipes and tartan, blame the politicians for stuffing them down everyone’s throats and playing on the image for financial gain.
They’d be fools not to, but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t get a bit too much.
19 Sep 2011, 14:30 pm
@willievz(willievz)-192: why?
19 Sep 2011, 14:30 pm
Hendrickp: whomever dislikes the frequency at which it’s done is one thing but since divvy has been made an honorary Maori I thought he’d refrain from making such a public statement shooting it down. It’s only a few more weeks, and the boks will be out of there, they just have to grit it out.
19 Sep 2011, 14:31 pm
I bet their shopping mall security staff even perform a haka at the start of each shift.
Hang on, we can ask Poeps.
Poppa, do you guys begin the morning shift with a haka? Or do you go straight from parade to van?
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