Pool D latest – PdV: ‘Haka losing potency’
19 Sep 2011
Keo.co.za brings you World Cup news from Pool D.
PdV: ‘Haka losing potency’ – Peter de Villiers believes the New Zealand haka’s novelty is rubbing off because it is performed so regularly at the World Cup.
The haka has been performed by the All Blacks in Test rugby since 1905, and has become one of the sport’s most popular pre-match spectacles. But now with the World Cup hosted in New Zealand, the Maori war dance has been presented daily in New Zealand – not only by the All Blacks, but by the locals.
De Villiers said by overexposing the haka at the World Cup, New Zealanders are diminishing its significance.
‘For me, about the World Cup especially, there is too many haka around,’ De Villiers told the Dominion Post newspaper. ‘It is unique, to me, and is losing its intensity, but that is only me. People are becoming so used to it. It is not a novelty any more and they don’t respect it.’
41 Comments
19 Sep 2011, 12:23 pm
HKGK
19 Sep 2011, 12:59 pm
Excellent justne motivation the ABs will need to demolish the Bok in the semi final
19 Sep 2011, 13:25 pm
arrogant t’urd of a man, WTF does he think he is ?!
19 Sep 2011, 13:31 pm
Peter de Clown should say that every time he faces the likes of Fiji, Samoa and Tonga or shutthefookup.
19 Sep 2011, 13:36 pm
@3 BP, go read comments on this issue on Stuff site, by far majority of kiwis agree with Divvy’s sentiments. He obv has history of shocking statements but here he has raised an issue which it seems many locals share…
Standard practice of keo site also, only quoting Div selectively… But what else do we expect… If you’re interested go read full story on stuff dot co dot nz
19 Sep 2011, 13:40 pm
pdv is absolutely correct.the other day i was watching a bunch of romanian
girls performing the haka with some serious disgusting sexual overtones.
19 Sep 2011, 13:45 pm
I’m afraid the little snorman is right here. The haka has become little more than a curio. If I were the Boks, and we faced them in the semis, I’d have a handful of coins in my pocket to toss at their feet when they’re done.
19 Sep 2011, 14:02 pm
@aka(aka)-5:
yes, some interesting comments indeed:-
“adam #287 05:16 pm Sep 19 2011
The haka is not as over-used as the whinge. PDV knows it, and so do we all.”
“klinton #281 via mobile 04:44 pm Sep 19 2011
Disagree with P-Divvy.I am from South Africa and it is still racially backward as those days of apartheid.So much so,the indigenous majority still don’t identify with the Boks.Had they been cleverer like the New Zealand colonialists who incorperated Haka to rugby,there’d be a greater following of Bok rugby by locals.Instead you have a large coloured community identifying with All Blacks.”
“RexN #263 03:33 pm Sep 19 2011
I don’t agree with PDV on this one but I have to concede that he knows a lot more about losing respect than I do.”
“harold #231 12:47 pm Sep 19 2011
I think this just shows that de Villiers really doesnt get it at all. It’s not about whether they respect the Haka, its whether those performing it respect it.”
“dave #203 11:52 am Sep 19 2011
and this is coming from a man who has lost all respect from the rugby world”.
19 Sep 2011, 14:19 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-8: agree with you.when they had the chance to do just that they turned the springbok symbol into one of supremacy over black races.their murderous defence units who suppressed black aspirations took on the springbok as their unit emblem in most cases.we can thus say that that springbok represents ‘death’ to the majority of black people.
19 Sep 2011, 15:01 pm
Just this once, let those who agree with PdV say so. It is not a bad thing to occasionally agree with our coach.
This time he is correct.
Think back to 1990, 93, 96 and think about the value of the haka. The novelty of it.
That is all but gone.
Muppits need to know that backing PdV is no crime.
19 Sep 2011, 15:15 pm
This should keep the locals busy until Wayne Barnes is announced as the ref for their first knock-out game, someone disrespects the Haka by daring to look the other way, or – the definition of irony – until someone scores a try against them that involves a pass that might have been forward …
The All Blacks are up there with Barcelona for the most self-important sports team in the world!
19 Sep 2011, 15:33 pm
True Div.
@RedMan(RedMan)-11: Agreed.
19 Sep 2011, 18:37 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-3:
The coach of the current world champs and the coach of the new world champs for the next 4 yrs.
19 Sep 2011, 18:39 pm
@Tecumseh(Tecumseh)-9:
This is the biggest lot of hogwash EVER posted on this site by far
19 Sep 2011, 18:43 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-8: i see you have only selected the few comments that support your view and ignored the large number that do not, a fitting metaphor of your entire Keo posting history
19 Sep 2011, 18:51 pm
So let us all quote selectively
“However, there were signs of Haka-fatigue elsewhere, with online commentator ‘John’ backing De Villiers’ stance in remarks posted on New Zealand’s 3News website.
“It’s an interesting little dance but, man, it’s total overkill,” he wrote.
“You can’t cross the road without someone doing a Haka. Its just getting to be a bit of a yawn.”
PDV has a point, everywhere you go the imitations and plenty and pretty weak. This does make the haka watered down
19 Sep 2011, 18:53 pm
haters will always hate…
seems the ringmaster of Cirque de Springbok is just warming up the audience…
like its been said above, love the disrespect shown to the haka..
no greater motivation will be needed…
19 Sep 2011, 18:53 pm
@JL1(JL1)-16: well not the Haka per say, but the effect of it
Used to not be able to wait for the Haka, now if I miss it so what we will see another in a weeks time
19 Sep 2011, 18:57 pm
@haaibok(haaibok)-13: Classic~!!
19 Sep 2011, 18:59 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-17: this is just it, he is not the one show disrespect, the blokes who commercialise it and make it common are the culprits
19 Sep 2011, 19:09 pm
Come world cup time I think the Haka actually inspires the opposition more because of the uniqueness of the occasion and incredibly high levels of emotion, the opposition gobble up the challenge and shove it back in the Kiwi’s face. Chabal totally intimidated the All Blacks by himself in the last world cup, turning the most successful professional team into a bunch of headless chickens. I’m sure they’ll be doing it in their own changing room much more often when they accept this.
19 Sep 2011, 21:06 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-15:
au contraire
it was to illustrate that the post by ‘aka’ that ” by far majority of kiwis agree with Divvy’s sentiments. He obv has history of shocking statements but here he has raised an issue which it seems many locals share…”
was
in your own words
“only selected the few comments that support (his) view and ignored the large number that did not”
then
“by far majority” was complete and utter lies, a cheap attempt to excuse the intentional disrespect shown by Krusty Burger in the RWC Host country.
As for your assertion that this is a “fitting metaphor” for my attendance here, well if exposing opinions of the “vast majority” as BS, is the charge laid before me, then I plead
GUILTY.
Justice4 the Contortionistas !
19 Sep 2011, 21:07 pm
KIWI TROLL AND LIAR ALERT!
19 Sep 2011, 21:21 pm
meh heh heh heh heh heh heh
*GULP*
~~~~~~~~~~~~burrrrrrrrrrrp~~~~~~~~~~~~
19 Sep 2011, 21:27 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-15:
and, if you want an illustration of what happens when the opinons of the “vast majority” get exposed as BS, then look no further than The Spoon. They dont like it.
Tough.
19 Sep 2011, 22:33 pm
The Haka is performed by all and sundry at all times inappropriate. If someone farts, the Haka is performed, by basketball, soccer, darts and even tiddlywink teams. It is seriously overdone. It should be kept for special occasions and kept unique, if not it loses it’s appeal. Maybe it already has? This is not to disrespect it, *** you don’t eat choc icecream everyday, because you would start to get sick of it!!!! Also keeewees should stop being so bloody precious about the Haka. It’s unbecoming……..
19 Sep 2011, 22:41 pm
@whatever(whatever)-26:
Agree
But the haka is precious to me as i am a Maori, cant help it really
The Haka was bought into sport by the ABs and it should have stopped there.
Basketball etc should just stop now.
But remember every Kiwi has their right to do what ever inside of the law. You cant ban people from doing it and probably them,like me dont really care what others think that are not Kiwi. Its ours.
I think what PDV is doing here is trying to get granny points with his fellow countrymen cos he knows his time is short at the RWC, dont fall for it SA
19 Sep 2011, 23:03 pm
The haka is not just over used it has become a side show, it is comparable to pro-wrestling, its entertainment, nothing more, take Carter for instance(I dont doubt his skills) but he looks like a model with a hernia, you have a whole bunch of guys hissing and making grunt sounds, each one of them trying to get the camera to focus on them and at times seem very concerned about their performance and it wont surprise me if they analyze it after each match, that being said it is truly a performance worthy of Broadway. The last true haka was done in the 95 world cup final, now that was a sight to behold.
19 Sep 2011, 23:06 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-27:
Mate, I think what PDV(in his defence) was trying to say here (and you should read the entire script) is that he has a better understanding of the history of the Haka and MORE respect for it after this little tour, but that it has become far to0 widly used commercially.
I think most people would tend to agree. I know you can’t ban it, but perhaps the performers should think twice before performing it at inappropriate times, all the time. It is a treasure, do’nt abuse it, I guess is the message
Use it, don’t use it…………
19 Sep 2011, 23:07 pm
i like the haka, but the question is why is nz allowed a wardance and the boks are not?
its a psycholigical advantage which is almost certainly the sole reason they are ahead on the test ledger – things were a lot fairer when we had home town refs.
19 Sep 2011, 23:29 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-27:read what Whatever said because that is the essence of what pdv was saying imo…
my culture is not a tourist attraction.
the concept of “flash hakas” might be well intentioned but if it’s around every mall or corner then it will inevitably lose its charm.
use it don’t use it
19 Sep 2011, 23:31 pm
@cab(cab)-30:
who said the Boks “are not allowed a wardance” ?
but wait, now we KNOW why the ABs win 67% of their matches vs the Boks – because the Haka “is almost certainly the sole reason they are ahead on the test ledger”
doesnt seem to account for war-dances of Tonga/Fiji/Samoa tho….
19 Sep 2011, 23:36 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-32:
agreed, its a terrible affrontery and crookery and outside the spirit of the game, yet it is allowed to persist, should we protest?
19 Sep 2011, 23:43 pm
i watched that kiwi doccie where the kiddie producer cried on the couch with his old man when the haka was being done and then they went to an ab practice and there is reechee mccheat parcticing the haka with the team instead of practicing limeouts etc etc.
it was quite funny.
but cringeworthy too, like The Office (UK version).
19 Sep 2011, 23:43 pm
@whatever(whatever)-29:
lol
Whatever, we cant control what the drunkards do after an AB win. They will pop the Haka anywhere.
I do see what you are saying but PDV has a job to do in NZ. And its to win the RWC. I am sure his take on the Haka means piss all if he does not bring the RWC back to SA.
19 Sep 2011, 23:43 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-31:
1 ‘flash haka’, in the lead-up to a RUGBY World Cup – in NZ – and now theyre “around every Mall or corner” ?
Ive been doing Hakas for my school XV since I was 14, in the 70′s. We had 700 boys practising, for 2-3 lunchtimes for weeks on end, solely in preparation for the match against our biggest rival. The whole school (private, & predominantly Pakeha) would perform that Haka as the XV ran on the field, there would be another 2 during the game and 1 at the end (if we won). And most school teams had their own haka. And what a lift it gave the teams on the field. Just 1 of other forms of support, songs and chants. But, definitely, the axis of the link between school and team.
The Haka, as performed by the modern ABs, is now close to the level of passion that we did at school 30 years ago. At that time, the Hakas as performed by schools like St Stephens, Te Aute, Hato Petera, Wesley were FAR more respectful than anything the ABs did at the time. In fact, just compare the NZ Maori version to the AB version of the same era.
What Krusty, the Boks and every other team is experiencing in NZ as they tour around is each school performing their Haka. So theyve probably seen a few. But to say its “losing respect” just goes to show you how close-minded, insular and desperate to show any compassion for the Hosts they truly are. As it always has been.
19 Sep 2011, 23:46 pm
@cab(cab)-33:
youve been protesting for your entire existence, why stop now ?
19 Sep 2011, 23:47 pm
dont be ridiculous krusty rubbed noses (and taches) with some kaalgat bugger carrying a spear and dressed in a loincloth, you dont get more openminded then that.
they dont call him the maestro for nothing. what a slim jakkals that one is. mindgames with the locals, he been having the kiwis in the semis.
20 Sep 2011, 08:09 am
@cab(cab)-38:
Heheheheheh.
I am so praying you are right.
I reckon the keewee’s should get a bouquet of flowers after they do their oh so pretty little dance
20 Sep 2011, 09:10 am
I’m a Kiwi and I agree with PDV (What’s the world coming to?!). It is unnecessary and no longer needed, the sooner they can it the better.
20 Sep 2011, 10:43 am
@Pencil(Pencil)-40:
Your a Kiwi??
lol, no your not.
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