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KeoTV: Boks need X factor

RYAN VREDE says Gio Aplon should always be in the Springbok match 22.


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  • 101.cane: Reply to this comment

    @wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-95:

    I do WP.
    I do.

    And I am humbled to be in your presence.

    8)

    (you got lucky WTF)

    8)

  • 102.cane: Reply to this comment

    @wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-95:

    P.S.

    I wondered how long it would take for you to turn up ……………..
    to tell me…………..

    “I told you SO”.

    8)

  • 103.vlam: Reply to this comment

    Aplon is ka k! Should not even be at the world cup. If some springboks are shot down by bloggers for only being good enough for super rugby and for not using their bok chances, Aplon should get the same treatment. What has he done in a bok jersey? A win against Italy and a placid france at newlands? People love him because he is always the “underdog” because of his size. But why risk on defence when you have wingers who can do what he does and are able to kick and defend. You can say he has heart, but is it effective? Not. And for all his “attacking worth” he doesn’t really score tries at the moment now does he? But apart from al my personal worries over him, his fullback positional play is not up to scratch at all. Just another wp bok, popular choice but with no substance.

  • 104.WP Till I Die: Reply to this comment

    @cane(cane)-101:

    Good on you, mate.

    By the way, I’m glad to see you’ve managed to not do as you promised to do a few years back – i.e., Wayne Barnes is still running around on rugby fields fully intact.

    :lol:

  • 105.RL: Reply to this comment

    @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-75: what does a Pakeha like Nonu know about the haka.

    @hendrikp(hendrikp)-94: I was watching highlights of that FS match … Goosen is a freak of a talent, those SBW offloads and kicking those 60m penalties … wow.

    I must admit, if Elton wasn’t around I would be calling for Goosen to be the next Bok 10.

  • 106.hendrikp: Reply to this comment

    @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-97:

    Fair enough. I don’t think Johan Goosen has the confidence issue that Gaffie did though. Gaffie was good because he was probably the quickest flyhalf to ever play the game and could kick pretty far, but what went on his head we’ll never know.

    Grey College ex-pupils just seem to get the job done at an early age with no confidence issues. Wouldn’t mind bringing him in as an understudy. “He’s a 1st overall pick”. Make sure he knows exactly what is expected of him and then let him fly.

  • 107.willievz: Reply to this comment

    @wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-99:

    I don’t have a problem with him on the wing, but I agree he is behind Ndungane in selection – the latter illustrated an industrious workrate against Fiji.

    Aplon is not the best option for the Boks at 15, even though he is IMO a better fullback than Lambie.

  • 108.hendrikp: Reply to this comment

    @RL(RL)-105:

    Lions supporter? Must be :P

    Elton not mentally strong enough for my liking. He’d be an ideal candidate to go play for the Bulls. They would teach him to think like Morne.

    At this stage I’d make him my #3 flyhalf behind Morne (#1) and Goosen. But you definitely don’t go in with two youngsters at 10. Morne is still our best option. He can run a bit, he just needs a game-plan that lets him.

  • 109.wpstormerbok: Reply to this comment

    @cane(cane)-102:

    LOL, to be fair I also called that Samoa would beat Wales, than Samoa played the opposite game of what I was expecting opting for an arm wrestle where they would’ve had a much better chance at making it a free for all.

    All the signs were there that Aus were rip for an upset, their tempremant got tested and they came up short whereas the Boks prevailed vs Wales.

    Have the AB’s learned from the 07 debacle or will that burden be too heavy to carry? We’ll know soon enough.

  • 110.mpundulu: Reply to this comment

    @RL(RL)-105: I hope the next bok coach understands that he must place Lambie at 15 and allow Elton, and Goosen to compete for 10. This could be a very exciting Bok backline.

  • 111.hendrikp: Reply to this comment

    @willievz(willievz)-107:

    Odwa did an good job against Fiji, but also showed a few reasons why he shouldn’t be facing the All Blacks or Australia. That one kick he was far too slow getting back and very nearly turned over possession close to our own goalline. Doesn’t have much confidence kicking the ball etc. I’d select Aplon over him any day, but Odwa a lot better player then many give him credit for.

  • 112.mpundulu: Reply to this comment

    @hendrikp(hendrikp)-108: The problem with the Bulls, they’ll not only harden him but revolutionize his game, and that’ll be the end of Jantjies.

  • 113.wpstormerbok: Reply to this comment

    @willievz(willievz)-107:

    Yes in Super Rugby Aplon is more dangerous as there is a bit more space but in Tests Lambie is ahead, add to that he can do an ambulance job at 10 and as last resort centre.

  • 114.mpundulu: Reply to this comment

    @wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-109: You won’t go wrong betting on the blackness! They will be primed to exact a past wrong.

  • 115.cane: Reply to this comment

    @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-104:

    Actually,
    Barnsie got a bit of a raw deal, over the PENALTY that wasn’t, in the Wales/SA game.

    He should still rot in Hades.
    but perhaps,
    not as close to the fire as Bakkies and Butch.

  • 116.wpstormerbok: Reply to this comment

    @hendrikp(hendrikp)-111:

    Enjoyed how Odwa took down that rampaging prop when he came straight at him down the touchline. That’s Odwa in a nutshell.

  • 117.hendrikp: Reply to this comment

    @mpundulu(mpundulu)-112:

    Not much room for him there anymore either, but I think he needs to be playing a more co-ordinated game. Mitchell trying to let him play like Spencer, and that’s not going to work in the long run. They’re going to get thrashed again at S15 level again also. Then Mitchell will walk away blaming everybody else. I can see it now! :lol:

    *He’ll have a point. At least in the forwards he’s made a good job of putting average players together to do a good job. No Springboks want to play for the Lions these days.

  • 118.RL: Reply to this comment

    @mpundulu(mpundulu)-110: I hope that the next Bok coach understands that Taute is the best 15 by a mile, I also hope that the next Bok coach keeps Lambie on the bench as the utility player. :grin.

  • 119.wpstormerbok: Reply to this comment

    @mpundulu(mpundulu)-114:

    Only a few seasons back a ‘no-name’ French team went to NZ and beat them in your first test of the year. Their tackling was ferocious, they rushed you in defence and the winning try came from an intercept after they had you forcing passes out wide.

    Sounds so familiar doesn’t it?

    But if your pack somehow rises to the occassion and dominate the French upfront, then you’ll be in the pound seat.

  • 120.cane: Reply to this comment

    @wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-109:

    Quade Cooper cost the Wallabies against the Bog-Leapers.
    Both on attack and defence.

    But, so what.
    that is Quade.
    This Wallabies Team is something special I think.

    They are the Youngest Team in this Tournament.
    And Ironically, Ireland the Oldest.

  • 121.hendrikp: Reply to this comment

    @cane(cane)-120:

    May have lost to Ireland, but they are going to be even more difficult to beat at the the next World Cup considering most of their players are around 23 years of age.

    Australia with depth? That’s something I’m scared of.

  • 122.Steel Shark: Reply to this comment

    De Jongh is as much a game breaker as Gio IMO.

    Love Gio as a player one of the most exciting players we have produced in years and the little guy has the heart of a lion, but IMO he simply isn’t big enough for test rugby. I’m not a guy who subscribes to every player should be the size of Danie Russouw but yeah even I recognize it.

  • 123.wpstormerbok: Reply to this comment

    @cane(cane)-120:

    They’re a special team when they’re fresh but two instrumental players in QC and Genia has seen too much rugby the last 12 months.

    Add to that Samo who’s a good player but not suited to this physically demanding matches, he gets exposed in a similiar fashion to Spies when his pack is on the backfoot.

    Moore and Pocock will lend bite to their pack but i think by the team they reach the QF their forwards as a collective won’t be able to contain a rampaging Bok unit.

    The AB’s can at least be comforted should they lose by the fact that it makes their draw easier, and the pressure will be on the coaches who’ll stop fiddling around and settle on a team. Then the real AB’s will be seen.

  • 124.RL: Reply to this comment

    @cane(cane)-120: the chokers have a team older than the Boks, but kiwis and their convict brethren have the balls to bait the Boks by calling them old.

  • 125.hendrikp: Reply to this comment

    @Steel Shark(Steel Shark)-122:

    Spot on. Gio gets tossed around. He doesn’t play beyond his size.

    de Jongh on the other hand is just as likely to make a line-break. And he plays like he’s the size of Danie Rossouw.

    First they need to decide who the reserve tighthead is. I believe CJ should be on the bench, but I’d go for a 5-2 split.

    If it were a 4-3 split they need to leave one of CJ or Beast out.

    That would mean cutting one of Butch James, Jean de Villiers/Pat Lambie (depends who starts) or Juan de Jongh. I’d say leave Butch out.

  • 126.wpstormerbok: Reply to this comment

    @hendrikp(hendrikp)-121:

    Don’t they remind you of the Boks in 2007? The difference is we had a settled captain who had a big influence on the team, some old calm heads and a deadly goal kicker.

    Aus keeps changing their kicker and neither one of O’Conner, Cooper or Beale can be seen as reliable enough to win them a match in a goalkicking dual when the pressure is applied in a tournament like this.

  • 127.hendrikp: Reply to this comment

    @wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-126:

    I’m sure over the space of 4 years they’ll settle on a kicker (presumably O’Connor). Then if they can sort out their front-row, nr. 8 and inside-centre position, they’d be very near unstoppable.

  • 128.mpundulu: Reply to this comment

    @hendrikp(hendrikp)-117: A bit unfair, I think that Jantjies plays a more measured game then Spencer, Quade Cooper is more Spencer-esque. Jantjies game is more well rounded, and makes good decisions. I think the Lions playing together through the Currie Cup will have a positive effect for the next super series, I’m not saying they’ll win but they won’t be scraping the bottom of the heap.

  • 129.mpundulu: Reply to this comment

    @RL(RL)-118: I like Taute, he brings variation to back play. Lambie can also be fitted at 12 if need be.

  • 130.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment

    @cane(cane)-83: Um, yes. Definitely

  • 131.wpstormerbok: Reply to this comment

    @hendrikp(hendrikp)-127:

    That would make them dangerous as they’d still be able to get points when conditions don’t allow for too much running.

    All three of them are good kickers but one should be seen as the #1 kicker whether he has an off week, right now they’re giving O’Conner a go but as soon as he has a bad game with the boot they’ll give Beale or Cooper a go next time.

    But O’Conner did take over the kicking when he came on vs Italy so if they can persist with him whether Beale or Cooper kicks 10/10 this weekend (O’Conner is out injured) then they’ll reap the rewards later.

  • 132.willievz: Reply to this comment

    Quick question: How do we define a “game breaker”.

    Is is necessarily someone who takes more risks and can speed the game up, or can it also be someone who can close the game down by means of intelligent decisions?

  • 133.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment

    @BillTong(BillTong)-84: Fck me, that’s funny.

    Even funnier is the top article on the Cape Time back page this morning. It tries, quite seriously, to summarise the pool standings and explain some possible permutations, and ends up sounding even more confused than this post.

    If you want to qualify second from any pool here by throwing games, you’d better have your maths cap on. Because keeping track of who needs bonus point tries and who needs to lose by less than seven will make on-field Duckworth Lewis (without the handy table) look like nursery rhymes.

    And let’s face it, our sports stars very seldom get calls from MENSA. I mean, remember Herschelle forgetting how to honour his crooked word to the bookies?

  • 134.David: Reply to this comment

    @Steel Shark(Steel Shark)-122:
    According to a report in the Star, Hougaard is the smallest player in the squad, not Aplon. Everyone who feels that he’s a better option tend to ignore that fact. If size was the criteria then Hougie shouldn’t really be a serious option, either.

  • 135.mpundulu: Reply to this comment

    @wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-119: Lets not forget that the ABs that year had a lot of players missing. I think Mils was captain, Liam Messam was at blindside, and Tanerau Latimer was the openside flanker, Isaac Ross at lock, and Rodney So’aolo was at the back and then moved to openside in the trinations. Donald was also fooling around at 10. It was all too much to bare, terrible period for AB rugby.

  • 136.David: Reply to this comment

    @willievz(willievz)-132:
    I think it’s generally someone who with a moment of brilliance regularly breaks down a solid defence.

  • 137.TheAgent: Reply to this comment

    I like Aplon, but Hougaard is playing the X-factor role.

  • 138.stormersboy: Reply to this comment

    @David(David)-134: I’d be amazed if Aplon is bigger than Fransie, even with his mullet taken into consideration. Fransie is close to 1.8m tall and at least 90 kg’s. Actually not that small for a scrummie.

    Aplon is quite a bit smaller than that,

  • 139.RL: Reply to this comment

    @mpundulu(mpundulu)-129: yes Lambie can sit on the bench together with Hougaard and the 2 of them can cover all of the positions from 9-15, allowing a 5-2 bench split.

  • 140.Tartan: Reply to this comment

    @hendrikp(hendrikp)-127:

    Wallabies front row (and consequently scrum) is going to be a problem for them until they stop playing props out of their favoured positions.

    And, having been over there a number of times over the years and seen first-hand how they coach the scrum through youth levels, I doubt we will see anyone with great front row technique come out of Australia for a while anyway. Too many uncontested scrums because coaches can’t or won’t teach the basics.

  • 141.hendrikp: Reply to this comment

    @mpundulu(mpundulu)-128:

    They’ll be lucky to win 3 games. This CC is nothing on what they’ll face in the Super 15. Just not enough quality in that side.

  • 142.hendrikp: Reply to this comment

    @Tartan(Tartan)-140:

    Don’t be surprised if a South African prop ends up playing for them. Jake White said he’s surprised there’s not more Saffas playing in Australia, and he’ll probably try bring some over for the Brumbies. Might be the prop from Maties 3rd-team.

  • 143.RL: Reply to this comment

    @Tartan(Tartan)-140: the Boks will go into the QF against the convicts with 3 faties on the bench … if it is wet and cold expect the yellow bellies to be moered up front … relegating their show pony backs to match observers.

  • 144.David: Reply to this comment

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-138:
    You’re right. Just checked. 1.79m v 1.75 and 75kg v 90kg. Wonder where the Star got their figures?

  • 145.cane: Reply to this comment

    @RL(RL)-124:

    True RL,
    we have balls.

  • 146.hendrikp: Reply to this comment

    @RL(RL)-143:

    In Wellington, it’s not always wet, but it’s always cold.

  • 147.wpstormerbok: Reply to this comment

    @mpundulu(mpundulu)-135:
    Ye that wasn’t the greatest AB team of all time and that wasn’t a first choice French team either.

    But i really feel you guys are still vulnerable when the heat is on and a team doesn’t step back in the front battle.

    And when you can’t rely on quick ruck ball you’re pivot won’t have that extra bit of time and space to break down defences with his tricks and good decision making.

    Both teams will secure their line-out ball but man if they can get on top of you in the scrums which i suspect will happen, we’ll have an Ireland vs Aus part 2.

  • 148.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment

    @hendrikp(hendrikp)-106:

    How many Grey College ex pupils have played 10 for the Boks in the pro era?One as Far as I know: Frans Steyn & he was abysmal as a 10,none more illustrated that his performance for Babaas vs OZ..in 2007. Sias Eberson is also a Grey College ex 10 who has his fair bit of confidence issues as well as deficiencies in his game. And there are more “1st overall picks” that BOMB than make it-keep that in mind. Dont want to get that section of American culture of over hyping young prodigous talent before its good/mature enough to handle big leagues.

    So its not a “School character trait”,its a individual thing when it comes to confidence etc. Goosen looks promising but again easy with the hyperboles.

  • 149.RL: Reply to this comment

    @David(David)-134: Hougaard is bigger than both Aplon and Lambie who are both pygmies.

  • 150.Gunther: Reply to this comment

    @David(David)-144:

    do you?

    :lol:

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