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• 101.>^..^< katman:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:09 am

  I’m guessing that Toyworld picked up Keo and Ryan’s caravan park tab, hence this plug.

  Next we’ll be treated to rugby metaphors and analogies from the local laundromat.

• 102.Bouts:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:09 am

  @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-73: Ah. That’s a different argument altogether. NZRFU’s issue is about the number of sponsors allowed. For your argument… who’s scoring from all the tourists? That’s why a country wants to host the WC, for the tourists. That’s outside NZRFU’s ‘jurisdiction’.

• 103.Brads:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:10 am

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-87:
  I was unaware that NZ shared in the money SARU garners from their local sponsors. NZ certainly don’t share in the gate revenue from SA venues which is reasonable.

  But taking a slice of south Africa’s locally generated sponsorship income, that is new!

  Can you confiorm that?

• 104.stormersboy:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:11 am

  @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-96: Absolutely.

  It’s a cardthat i’ve been dissapointed that SARU haven’t played strongly enough in previous negotians, around things line the regional format of the Super 15.

  Without us NZ would resort back to playing the Bledisloe cup as theit stalwart midyear test series and the ARU would lose all their marquee players to League and Europe.

  They know it, we know it. Why we don’t use it is beyond me.

• 105.Bouts:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:11 am

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-101: I doubt it. Pretty sure Toyworld wasn’t too happy to find a guy with sunglasses and weird clothes in the little girl’s segment… and even a pervert recording everything.

• 106.Helen:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:12 am

  @Bouts(Bouts)-102:

  South African tourists to NZ have strict instructions to not spend any money while in NZ. Instead, they are encouraged to pay their way by giving rugby advice to the locals.

• 107.stormersboy:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:14 am

  @Brads(Brads)-103: The SANZAR agreement shares the revenue between the 3 countries 9 I cannot remember the exact formula, it should be easy to google if you have time). The largest potion of the revenue comes from Multi-Choice I believe. So whilst we generate the lions share of the revenue, we share a dispraportionate amount of that with the other 2.

• 108.Helen:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:15 am

  @Brads(Brads)-103:

  Just look at the attendances at NZ games. It is clear that they are the poor cousin in the Sanzar arrangement.
  SA subsidises NZ rugby, always have and sadly always will.
  If it weren’t for SA revenue, New Zealand would struggle to keep their players.

• 109.Bouts:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:15 am

  @Brads(Brads)-103: Ah. Indirectly yes. Remember that hosting unions (the provincial unions) have to pay a large amount (millions) for the rights to host a game between international (including SuperRugby) games. All these sponsors and gateway fees make part of that fee. It is paid to SARU, who in turn pay SANZAR (and/or IRB… depends) and each partner gets his share.

• 110.Slumtown:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:15 am

  @Helen(Helen)-100: yeah – the only real reason I still come here is for the banter, apart from that I get my real rugby news elsewhere. Thats not so overly opinionated and one sided. I do agree with a lot they say but I also feel theres always an agenda. Like the Butch James thing. In the Tri Nations I may have supported that view to some extent but how Steyn came right in the last game and has continued to impress has been a revelation. he is a points machine, he is the only flyhalf in the tournament who is kicking the leather off the new ball and getting a better strike rate than before (all other flyhalves have dropped in accuracy – with players like Jonny Wilkinson and Boofhead Cooper down to a measly 50% accuracy and the likes of Dan Carter down to a low of 67% as opposed to our man sitting at (85% accuracy with 2 of the 3 tests at 100%) – now that is impressive. He also has huge BMT, is realy trying to tackle more, and run more – he has taken the advice and is heeding it. So to still be saying that Butch James should be our man going forward is really dubious. He offers little more than harder tackles in comparison to Morne. Even 4 years ago it was Percy slotting the kicks not Butch.

• 111.Helen:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:16 am

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-107:

  That makes the kiwi arrogance on this blog so much more unbearable.

• 112.reechie maak so lank die pan warm, bakkies bring die wors...:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:16 am

  @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-97:
  
  was thinking the same thing.

  @Helen(Helen)-98:
  well, in a nutshell..yes…
  although i’m pretty sure a lot of the other big heads in nzru and outside of it dont think the same way. it just looks bad.

• 113.>^..^< katman:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:17 am

  @Bouts(Bouts)-105: From a distance the store manager thought Ryan was filming a seven year old.

• 114.Brads:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:19 am

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-107:
  That is not answering my question.

  My understanding was only the income from the SANZAR contract with Newscorp was divied up and as SA had the largest TV audience. SA got the largest slice of the cake.

  You have now thrown out the notion that the income from all sponsors go into the pool.

  That is news to me

  Can you confirm it?

• 115.friction:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:20 am

  i have not posted since the 2007 world cup but i follow the posts from time to time , i agree with an earlier post we want more informative info , these are huge games now so we want great insight , not the ramblings of a wierdo in a toystore

• 116.poppa69:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:21 am

  @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-85: look, Ive been projecting my anger due to personal reasons onto you guys and realise its been completely abhorrent, disgusting, inflammatory and wrong… I wish I could take things back but I cant, its something Im definitely not proud of and I will have to live with it… for that I truly am sorry..

  not so sure on the AB’s, Reid just returning will either be a spectacular success or an utter failure, and I dont have confidence in penalty machine Thompson or NZ’s version of Spies Vito against the likes of your pack.. We still have weaknesses at front row, lock and at halfback… Argentina will give us some gauge as their forward pack is highly competitve, but they still fall short of the combativeness of your pack. I do think they will provide us with a much needed step up in intensity, thus helping us to build towards the all important semi… (Aussie or the Bokkes will require a lift again)..

  all kiwis will be apprehensive, things seem to be following the same patterns as previous WC’s, and I worry we will be underdone come semi time… again..

  @Bouts(Bouts)-86: to a point I do too, its like the signage deal that caused the riff in 2003 and meant Aus hosted alone… but the reported amount of money spent on the 2007 campaign (if true) was ludicrous.. it highlights poor management IMO..

• 117.Helen:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:22 am

  Interesting stats so far:

  Most Points For:
  NZ 161
  SA 153
  Eng 121

  Least Points Against:
  SA 19
  Eng 22
  Aus 26

  Most Tries For:
  NZ 24
  SA 20
  Eng 17

  Least Tries Against:
  SA 1
  Aus 1
  Eng 1

  SA is the only team that features in every one of these stats.

• 118.NZINCHINA:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:23 am

  @poppa69(poppa69)-116:

  ***** pops they’re gonna eat you alive now

• 119.poppa69:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:25 am

  @Helen(Helen)-90: Im alright, yourself?

• 120.Slumtown:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:25 am

  @poppa69(poppa69)-116: Say what? Wow. Blown away.

• 121.Helen:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:25 am

  @poppa69(poppa69)-116:

  Forgiven!
  Welcome back

  *holds out manicured hand of peace*

• 122.stormersboy:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:25 am

  @Brads(Brads)-114: It is well summed up in post 109.

  The main gist of the point is that NZ share in Revenue out of the SANZAR agreement that is dispraportionate to the revenue that they contribute.

• 123.Brads:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:25 am

  @Helen(Helen)-108:
  Correct, the money required to run NZ rugby is horrendous.

  Some fool in the NZRU accounting room decided several years ago to start gouging the local fans.

  We have voted with our feet.

• 124.stormersboy:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:26 am

  My experience with Poppa has never been negative. I have stuck to rugby with him and he’s responded in the same way.

  It’s like that with most things in life. You get what you expect.

• 125.Helen:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:27 am

  @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-118:

  Humility is the highest form of Humanity.
  It is universally respected, even in SA, believe it or not!

• 126.Slumtown:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:27 am

  @poppa69(poppa69)-116: I think read will be just the tonic needed. Unless he cant make the step up quickly enough but he is a 100% er kind of guy. So I cant see him not making an immediate impact – just like Brussouw. Agree Adam Thompson is a brain **** penalty machine and why he is there instead of Todd the f knows. He was highly impressive in the Super 15. Richie still seems a bit off the pace himself. But I think a return from Read would be a huge boost for the Al Blacks – he´s been the missing piece to the puzzle.

• 127.>^..^< katman:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:28 am

  @poppa69(poppa69)-116: Hey, I can actually read through that post.

  On the Argies, I think their pack/front row will be less competitive without Roncero at loosehead. And certainly without Lobbe at 8 (and as captain). Those were two of their most influential players and I fear for their chances now. Also, Contemponi is still battling a rib injury, so they’re not looking too good right now. Pity.

• 128.Slumtown:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:28 am

  @Slumtown(Slumtown)-126: a great no Phart is a swear word too – childish prats.

• 129.Helen:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:29 am

  @poppa69(poppa69)-119:

  I am floating on a cloud of Poppa69 admiration, thanks for asking.

• 130.Brads:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:32 am

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-122:
  Okay, we agree NZ doesnt share in the local income generated by brewery sponsors etc, so we are only talking about Newscorp revenue.

  By population SA is around 10 times the size of NZ and 3 times the size of Aus.

  Are you suggesting SA should get something like 70%, Aus 20% and NZ 10% ?

• 131.poppa69:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:33 am

  @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-118: if they do then I deserve it, so have to man up and take it on the chin..

  @Helen(Helen)-121: appreciate that offer, thanks..

  @Slumtown(Slumtown)-126: yep, Read brings that balance to the loosies, a retreaded 6 that has grown with each game he plays… i wonder if his injury is fully healed though? it would be catastrophic if he reinjures himself…

  Todd or the younger Braid would have been a much better option than thompson, who proved conclusively in 2009 he couldnt step up to test rugby, our version of Meisekind

• 132.Helen:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:34 am

  @poppa69(poppa69)-116:

  The kiwis will have to subdue our scum and keep 100% of their lineout ball against SA. If they do that, our loosies are taken out of the game and breakdown momentum sits firmly with kiwis. Our hope is that Vic regains his legendary status as a lineout kingpin. Too much of our hope rests in him

  We are more worried about our half back pairing. Morne can be a weak link on defense and FdP has had a few shockers recently. I really hope Nonu refuses to play on a Saturday for religious reasons and that Carter hangs up his boots for ‘personal reasons’ before the semi… we can hope

• 133.Slumtown:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:35 am

  @poppa69(poppa69)-116: I also think the Argies are a poor shadow of their 2007 selves. The All Blacks will have no problem dispatching them, and therein lies the problem. Until Semis you guys would still not have had an adeqaute challenge from anyone. Its a real pity because the French shuld have been the ones. In retrospect looking at that match I think the 3 tries in a matter of minutes just did them in completely.
  But for a pro team to crumble like that and not fight back is quite sad. In addition their defence was woeful. So with no direspect at all to the Blacks that really wasnt a huge test of character. Luckily the Boks had a tough one vs Wales and possibly Samoa will be a bit of a physical challenge though I´m positive we are going to annihilate them on Friday. Just hope the injuries dont mount. What you can take from the games is that Dagg is and has been for some time, the best 15 you can field, Kahui is doing great work on wing, and your centre pairing is working well. I have some reservations about the Franks Brothers. Think they were hyped a lot and arent necessarily delivering at the moment. Stil think the selectors missed a trick by leaving out Wyatt Crockett.
  Whitelock also doesnt seem to be as strong at lock as he was a year ago. The pack is definitely the only issue at present. Albeit a minor one.

• 134.NZINCHINA:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:37 am

  @Brads(Brads)-130:

  They only have 20% of the trophies in Super rugby that wouldn’t be right mate.
  NZRFU has been smacked on the currency in this deal, kiwi was around 45 cents when they first negotiated so their NZ$ revenue from this deal has fallen signicantly I think they hedged early on but either way its hurt them big time.

• 135.reechie maak so lank die pan warm, bakkies bring die wors...:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:37 am

  @Brads(Brads)-114:
  no, you mean sa provides the largest slice of the cake.
  as the deal involves sharing broadcast revenue of which sa is the biggest generator.
  our broadcast revenue is always much more than oz or nz yet we share the the amount given to our rugby unions by newscorp evenly.

  as for additional sponsorship monies being shared, i dont know.

• 136.poppa69:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:38 am

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-127: agreed, I would have liked them at full strength, and depth has always been their problem…those 3 players are a huge loss for them, but the style of game they bring imo is similar to what SA offer.. perfect for NZ to prepare, assuming our teams meet in the semi of course..

  we’ve been known to bottle it on occassions

• 137.Slumtown:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:38 am

  @poppa69(poppa69)-131: lol – at the Meisikind comment – yes he´s been extremely dissapointing making some horrific mistakes when attempting to pilfer ball. I agree 100% Read is massive. He is probably the single biggest threat in the loosies for me. The way he was playing before the Cup was absolutely devastating. he is hugely physical. They speak of Kaino being physical but Read really outdoes him by quite some way. If he stays fit you guys will be in good shape. So far the loose trio has been very suspect with Vito and Thompson and a slightly off colour Richie. Hope Read pulls through well.

• 138.Heavens Game:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:38 am

  @poppa69(poppa69)-116: Saffas, suckers for an apology, troof and reconciliation and all that.

  Good on you kno.bber and good to see you trying to talk sense again. But that dont mean I aint going to toss some Maoris when I feel like it.

• 139.mpundulu:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:39 am

  RL: on the petition, I’ve under performed mate, I’ve not been on the job, I need to push it harder!

• 140.NZINCHINA:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:39 am

  @poppa69(poppa69)-131:

  I’m sure you will mate, lets not get too soft on them though its going to be a big month

• 141.Slumtown:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:42 am

  @poppa69(poppa69)-136: BTW – really nice to have some decent banter for a change. Especially now that the Cup starts in earnest. May the best team win. Of course I want our lot to retain the Cup and make history but I also acknowledge that it would be really special for the Kiwis to take the cup this year after all the hard work and exceptional form. So I´m a bit torn on the issue – hey but only a bit

• 142.WP Till I Die:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:43 am

  @poppa69(poppa69)-116:

  Good on you mate.

  Remember what Yoda says:

  Anger leads to hate; and hate leads to the dark side…

• 143.stormersboy:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:43 am

  @Brads(Brads)-130: NO. What I have been saying is that NZ is in trouble financially. They cannot generate enough revenue from local sources to remain profitable under the current circumstance.

  The revenue that they receive from the SANZAR agreement (a great deal of which is not locally generated) has masked the problem to an extent. If SA pulled out of the SANZAR agreement it would probably precipitate a collapse. They should concentrate on getting their house in order locally. That way they wouldn’t alsways come off as the poor cousins in the whole thing.

  PS as the post 109 pointed out, it’s not just newscorp.

  And one of the reasons that Multi-Choice generate the revenue that they do is that they broadcast not just in SA but throughout Africa and this is a major factor in the revenue generation.

  There would not be a local (NZ) alternative that could fill the gap if Multi-choice pulled out, which it certainly would if SA were not involved.

  I was lamenting the weak negotiation skills displayed by SARU in not using this bargaining chip better to defend it’s own interests in certain matters (most notably the shocking capitulation of SARU on the regional format of the new Super 15, which benefits the Australians and no one else (no beef with NZ on that score). They are using the Super 15 to compensate for a non-existant local regional comp like our Currie Cup at the expense of the local competitions of the other 2 countries (most certainly your NPC and to a lesser extent our Currie Cup). one of the reasons your local NPC has struggled for attendance is that they are spoiled by the amount of Supe Rugby that they can see. So in essence, a ever expanding Super Rugby format (to the main benefit of Aus at the moment) is canabalising the attendance of the local competitions.

• 144.Brads:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:45 am

  @Helen(Helen)-117:
  Yes, those stats are damned good and considering the competitive pool SA are in, they are arguably way better than NZ.

  Here are some more:
  Total scores against
  SA 19
  NZ 39
  Average scores
  SA 51 – 6
  NZ 54-11

• 145.poppa69:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:47 am

  @Slumtown(Slumtown)-133: @Helen(Helen)-132: we certainly missed a trick not picking Crockett, but I think his failings on that EOYT counted against him… was a standout during the Super season, but henry and Co have shown they havent learnt from 2007..

  I cannot understand why you would pick someone like Boric (untried due to injury) and totally disregard the man who DID the job in 2010, namely Donnelly… I understand his form in super rugby was down, but the man stepped up when required… the old adage of it being harder to get into the AB team than out of has fallen away, and we may rue that yet again…

  on the Franks brothers, Owen is world class, Ben Im not sold on… Dagg has been superb since injury, I guess youth can be an advantage, I still have my reservations on his defense at times… Whitelock also was injured, so perhaps he is still to regain that form??

  Helen, I think big Vic has unfortunately started to lose his invincibility, but agree he is vital… I think if our teams meet you will see the ABs kick for open spaces rather than the sideline… though they may play Williams, I think those two have had some fantastic battles in the lineout, and perhaps thats why he was selected in the squad to combat Vic?

• 146.reechie maak so lank die pan warm, bakkies bring die wors...:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:48 am

  try not to overload poppa everybody, please.

• 147.cane:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:48 am

  Toyworld 3. The All Blacks.

  Franks…………..Teddy Bear.
  Hore………………….The Incredible Hulk toy.
  Woodcock………..A Bulldog
  Whitlock…………………..Capt Haddock.
  Brad………………………Bison.
  Ritchie……………….G.I Joe.
  Jerome………….Black Rhino
  Read………………..White Rhino.
  Cowan……………………Tin Tin.
  Dan………………………Ken (Barbie’s boyfriend).
  Ma’a………………………………..Decepticon
  Sonny Bill…………………….Wolverine.
  Jane………………………………..Tarzan
  Kahui………………………………..Maori Smurf.
  Dagg…………………………..Transformer.

  G. Henry……………………………The Fat Controller.

• 148.Dawn:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:49 am

  @poppa69(poppa69)-116:

  Who is this.

• 149.>^..^< katman:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:51 am

  I think I know the reason for the NZRU’s financial woes.

  Counterfeit goods.

  If every “political” Cape Kiwi supporter (or Mighty Half Blacks) did the right thing and bought the real deal, they’d have plenty to go around.

  But of course that just wouldn’t be them.

• 150.cane:
  28 Sep 2011, 09:51 am

  You back on the medication Popps.

  8)

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