Frans blow for Boks
1 Oct 2011
Frans Steyn has sustained a serious shoulder injury and will play no further part in the Springboks’ World Cup campaign.
Steyn was clutching at his shoulder towards the end of Friday’s physical battle with Samoa. Head coach Peter de Villiers refused to comment on injuries right after the game, but on Saturday morning, he was in a despondent mood,
‘Frans is likely to go home,’ De Villiers said. ‘The doctor will confirm that it’s 100% later this morning, but at the moment it’s 95% that he’s on his way home, and that is a big blow for us.
‘I was lying awake [last night thinking about who to call in as a replacement]. We will still have to make a few calls and see.’
The obvious replacement for Steyn at No 12 is Jean de Villiers, and the Boks are further covered in the position considering the prodigiously talented Juan de Jongh is in the squad of 30.
What De Villiers, De Jongh and even a player like Morne Steyn lack is the ability to kick penalties from 65m out. The Boks will also miss Frans Steyn’s line kicking game, as well as his ability to slot in at flyhalf, centre, wing or fullback if the situation demands it.
There were bound to be a few injury concerns following such a brutal contest with the Samoans, but Peter de Villiers moved to play down the ailments of Bryan Habana, JP Pietersen and Francois Hougaard.
‘All those guys have got battle scars, but we hope that they can recover to take their places this coming week.
‘I don’t know what’s wrong with us. When we get injuries, we get them in one position. We’ve had problems at lock [during this tournament], and yesterday we lost three wings. So when Lady Luck turns her back on us, she turns it properly.’
De Villiers said that he was happy with the way Danie Rossouw and Victor Matfield performed as a second row combination, and hinted that this pair will front the Aussies in the quarter-final. For the moment, Bakkies Botha won’t be risked until he’s absolutely ready.
‘Do we really need him at 50 %, the way he is, or do we need him at 100%? Rather give him more time.
‘Danie is going very well and we’ve got Johann [Muller] who is properly healed, he will be in the mix this coming weekend. So to have Bakkies back is a soothing thought for me.’
The injury situation aside, the Bok coach said that the team had done everything they had set out to do at the beginning of the tournament.
De Villiers believes that winning ugly is still winning, and doesn’t think that the narrow wins against Wales and Samoa have shown the Boks to be off the pace when compared to the Wallabies and All Blacks.
‘When we won in Wellington by one point, we achieved what we came here to do, which is win games. A lot of people call it winning ugly, but it’s uglier if you don’t win. We scored 160 points for and 22 against [in four pool games]. That’s a difference of [about] 140 points so we came through quite well.
‘Our first goal is now achieved, we’re through the pool stage. We could have lost yesterday and could have been sent home, so to come through against Samoa is an achievement.’
By Jon Cardinelli, in Auckland
151 Comments
30 Sep 2011, 23:26 pm
This has got to be the worst news of the day.
30 Sep 2011, 23:27 pm
And that’s all she wrote, huge loss!
Oh well…
30 Sep 2011, 23:29 pm
Major disappointment. Frans played well and is always a threat. It is sad that every time we play Samoa our biggest worry is injury. Samoa played like thugs today and they are not worthy of admiration. I watched the game again and the niggle was continuous and the pathetic referee missed a lot of it. He overlooked the continuous off the ball play and yet found a way to punish Smit for a knock on. The Boks know how to play with intensity and the Tri-Nations is always played like that – but without the thuggishness of a team (Samoa) who seem to have no other answers. Nothing brave and admirable about the posers in Blue today.
30 Sep 2011, 23:30 pm
We will still beat the Aussies but will struggle against NZ. We lost bekker, Juan and now steyn. They’re the equivalent of Thorn, Kaino and Nonu for NZ.
Time for perspective is… Now
30 Sep 2011, 23:36 pm
Well this is a serious blow for SA.
His massive goal kicking range has been a genuine threat and has likely kept a loose lid on some of the tactics of the other teams.
30 Sep 2011, 23:37 pm
@WhatIf(WhatIf)-3:
Do we know what caused the injury?
30 Sep 2011, 23:42 pm
I agree with you whatif #3 i thought the samoans were more interested in trying to smash the boks phyisically than trying to beat them playing rugby.Every time they play the boks it is always the same it is as if they are saying if we cannot beat the boks we will injure them i think they are the dirtiest team at the world cup and i am glad they are out.
30 Sep 2011, 23:43 pm
Samoa played very, very physically but were not one iota more “thuggish” than the standard physicality of the Boks, which is a source of pride for them. If you want to dish it out, be ready to take it, pilgrims.
Frans’s absence radically changes everyone else’s game plan because as good a kicker as what Morne is, he lacks the range to punish you from 60m+ out like Frans can. Now opponents can infringe with relative impunity inside the Boks’ half and only have to behave in their own half.
30 Sep 2011, 23:45 pm
@NoRugbyGuru_0_(RugbyGuru_0_)-4: Wallabies have beaten the Boks home and away, two out of two, earlier this year. They’re far more skilled and 100 times better coached than SA.
30 Sep 2011, 23:48 pm
Ag tackles, don’t talk fiction with me. We played our 2nd stringers in the 1st test away from home against Aussies and had fark all match fitness in the 2nd test.
Did you forget how we blew the wallabies off the park in the 1st 40 min in the 2nd test?
30 Sep 2011, 23:50 pm
Horrible news.
Was always worried someone crucial was going to get injured against the over-physical samoans.
And Zinzan Brooke had predicted Samoa to top Pool D. What a k0nt
30 Sep 2011, 23:51 pm
@blueboy(blueboy)-7:
Interesting view that.
I recall comments in years past from supporters along the lines that Carter and McCaw specifically, would be dished up injuries by the Boks just as they had in previous encounters.
30 Sep 2011, 23:51 pm
@Brads(Brads)-6: Fair point. I will need to watch the second half again to see where it could have happened. My point is that it is surprising that the Bokke have not suffered more injuries like this due to the unrestrained (and often illegal) aggressive play of the Samoans.
30 Sep 2011, 23:52 pm
tackler why don`t you put your head between your legs and kiss your arse,the samoans are not hard phyisically legally,there is a difference between hard and dirty and if you do not know the difference then you are just another typical kiwi arsehole.
30 Sep 2011, 23:53 pm
Can anyone give me some web adresses for kiwi or ozzie rugby websites.
30 Sep 2011, 23:59 pm
Morne’ Steyn has not played badly , but would have liked to see Butch at 10 against Aussies. Can’t see it happening tho.
Aussies read us like a book with Steyn at 10 cause it is so so so predictable – he’l either kick or pass to the first receiver who would then get smashed like they do at the Bulls giving it to Wynand Olivier. Same scenario off the ruck , we’l pass to the first receiver they will be waiting to smash him.I really do fear that the Aussies know how we play and how to play against us in order to succeed.
1 Oct 2011, 00:08 am
Snorre is ‘n nar, maar een ding is seker en dit is dat hy ons sterkste span gekies het. Moet die eerste wereldbeker wees wat ek nie kan dink aan iemand wat daar hoort wat nie in die squad is nie…1995 Tiaan Strauss, 1999 Jouba en Teich, 2003 wil nie eers begin nie 2007 aanvanklik Bismarck 2011 ?? ek weet regtig nie of hul iemand hoef op te roep vir Fransie nie, enige kans Juan Smith is al reg?
1 Oct 2011, 00:09 am
@blueboy(blueboy)-15: i use http://www.rugbyheaven.co.nz
1 Oct 2011, 00:10 am
Not good news, I hope its not that serious…
Get well soon Frans
1 Oct 2011, 00:13 am
chances are that jannie might get cited, therefore it might be good idea to replace fransie with a tighthead – bj fit?
1 Oct 2011, 00:26 am
Blueboy, try: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/
http://www.nzherald.co.nz
1 Oct 2011, 00:32 am
@blueboy(blueboy)-15:
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union
1 Oct 2011, 00:34 am
Bad news. There goes most of our new found attacking flare.
Habana, JPP and Jaque Fourie better get used to just chasing up ‘n unders again…
Funny, if anyone had suggested a few injuries after the Samoa game (Steyn, Habana and Hougaard) I’d have said get out of town.
1 Oct 2011, 00:35 am
@blueboy(blueboy)-14: Tackler is an ex-yarpie.
1 Oct 2011, 00:36 am
Samoan captain Mahonri Schwalger took a parting shot at shrill Welsh referee Nigel Owens as his team exited the World Cup in gallant fashion at North Harbour Stadium on Friday night.
Owens appeared to be harsh on the Samoans throughout an epic encounter won 13-5 by the defending champion Sprinboks to seal their quarterfinal qualification in top spot from Pool D.
He made a number of contentious calls against the Samoans throughout a see-sawing 80 minutes, including a crucial double-movement on wing David Lemi with the islanders hot on attack late in the second half as they launched a fabulous tilt at a comeback.
He also red-carded Samoan fullback Paul Williams for what looked to be nothing more than a slap at Boks flanker Heinrich Brussow, though he did rather balance that out soon after by yellow-carding replace South African hooker John Smit when he was penalised for a deliberate knock-down and kicked the ball away.
Still, Schwalger felt his team did not get a fair go from Owens, with the Welshman spending much of the night lecturing the Samoans over their indiscretions. His high-pitched urgings clearly did now sit well with the Taranaki hooker.
“I’m pretty disappointed,” said Schwalger after his team slumped to its second defeat in four matches. “I’m proud of the boys and they gave it all they had. The referee was pretty hard on us. There were a few calls on the field if it goes our way we probably put more points on the South Africans.”
Asked about the 70th-minute sending off of Williams after he tangled with Brussow at a ruck and then appeared to slap at the flanker as they disengaged, Schwalger repeated his assertions about Owens.
“I think the ref was pretty hard on us. A lot of the time they were slowing our ball down. He’s got be fair on us as well — give us a chance to compete. It felt like it was one-way.
“The sending-off was a little bit of acting out there as well. There was nothing in that. I thought the red card was a little bit harsh.”
Schwalger added that “even in the scrum they were cheating a little bit”, though he also said that playing the Springboks had been a special night for his team.
1 Oct 2011, 00:38 am
Bring out The Butch.
1 Oct 2011, 00:39 am
Bunch of dirty whingers.
1 Oct 2011, 00:39 am
As a neutral, both teams played hard physical rugby and it was great to watch. Everyone knows, to compete with the boks means taking them on at their own physically hard game.SA players were not innocent, in Paul Williams case, he was guilty of gamesmanship and fair play to Brussouw for trying to break that bind, but there were a few hard strikes to the back of the head. I too would feel obliged to strike someone in the face if they had sent 10+ blows my way….
No doubt some ‘antagonistic’ words came from the boks in those early scrum exchanges. The Samoan #5 exhibited his anger at these. If anything Samoa is guilty of allowing the boks ‘gamesmanship and niggle’ get the better of them – no doubt the boks went in to this game with a plan to extract discipline penalties from the volatile samoans.
It is a shame FS is gone because rugby as a spectacle will be the worse for it.
1 Oct 2011, 00:43 am
F Steyn is a huge loss. Pity.
1 Oct 2011, 00:51 am
oh well it was fun while it lasted, roll on 3N 2012
1 Oct 2011, 01:00 am
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-30:
Dont give up just because of F steyn loss
It may not be that bad I think he maybe ok if we reach the semis
1 Oct 2011, 01:02 am
@eddie(eddievxx)-25:
There you go- the bok fans believe the ref was against them and allowed the samoans to get away with murder but the samoans obviously see it differently and think they have drawn the short straw.
Who is wrong and who is right?
Fark knows,there are always 2 sides to any story depending on whose side you are on and true neutrals are hard to find.
So, the winner today might be a whinger next week, that is just how it goes in this stupid game.
1 Oct 2011, 01:05 am
Just surprised nobody in the Samoa camp has questioned the appointment of a welsh referee to a match that has/had almost as big a bearing on wales’ continued participation as their own game against Fiji.
Not that I think any referee would be so unprofessional in rugby.
1 Oct 2011, 01:05 am
Firstly a few things were clear.
1. Wear green jerseys forget about the white jerseys
2. Mat field is no captain
3. We will miss F steyn
4. M steyn falls apart when under pressure
5 Spies MIA Again and again and again and again.
6. Lambie getting better and better
7 Should have had Butch against Samoans
8.Fdp struggling
9. Guthro needs to start always
10 skalk and Brussow doing fine but also Spies’s job
1 Oct 2011, 01:07 am
Massive loss! Bye bye 60m penalties and sole bit of creative flair in our backline. We just better hope JDV doesn’t pull his usual RWC trick and get injured straight away because there is no Steyn waiting to replace him now.
1 Oct 2011, 01:09 am
@Tartan(Tartan)-33:
Good point, a loss for samoan means Wales should come 2nd and not play Oz
1 Oct 2011, 01:13 am
We do have the magnificent Riaan Viljoen from Griquas and Cheeetahs Super 15 that is not only an awesome attacking fullback, but also a very good long range kicker too, to replace Francois Steyn. But of course he will be ignored and only when he plays for the Sharks next year (yipee), will he get a proper look in to the Bok team, Div did pick him a couple of years ago on the eoyt, so who knows…no to Wynand Olivier!
1 Oct 2011, 01:15 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-34: Can’t fault any of your points there. I was most dissapointed with Morne on defense again, especially after reading an interview with him after that Wales game where he admitted he’d let himself and the team down but would work hard to rectify it.
Schalk and Brussow have a phenominal combined work-rate. If we had an 8 that actually did something we’d be asserting even more dominance on opposition teams.
FDP is really worrying. I cannot explain how annoyed I get when I see him standing at the base of our ruck and there is an opposition counter-ruck and instead of burrowing in to get the ball out quickly he stands there looking at the ref flaying his arms about. It is such a pathetic part of his game that he really needs to stamp out fast.
1 Oct 2011, 01:16 am
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-38: *flailing* his arms
1 Oct 2011, 01:18 am
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-38:
I am glad you like my 10 points especially the white jerseys We dont need to look like the poms
With Fdp i think its a bad habit he has always been presented good ruck ball by bulls and lots of times Boks and yes 100 % right he needs to secure ball before the counter ruck
Spies ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
So now Morne knows he has to start because F steyn is out , so does it motivate him ? doubt it
1 Oct 2011, 01:26 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-40: Don’t worry the Poms now look like the All Blacks. It’s musical jerseys
1 Oct 2011, 01:28 am
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-41:
Hey if i am the bok coach i would send Spies to Samoa and fatten him up with pig and play the samoans every day
1 Oct 2011, 01:30 am
Interesting hearing comments here that the boks had the ref against them;
I don’t support either team and enjoyed a good albeit hard game of rugby last night but the game I saw seems quite different to that most SA supporters watched:
The Welsh ref had a bad game all round and lost control of the game by about the 20minute mark.
I don’t think he was trying to get the Welsh through to the next round but it sure looked that way.
Some crucial decisions went against the Samoans – three in particular that were game breakers;
The chip and chase by Tuiailigi (sp) in the first half was knocked out of play by Pat Lambie intentionally; it was an illegal and obvious professional foul and totally ignored by ref and linesman – it possibly saved a try, and certainly should have been a very kickable penalty.
The ref should not have blown half time with Samoa hot on attack when he got in the way (as he often seems to do) and caused the breakdown of their move saving the Boks another possible try – Samoa should have been given a chance to finish the play.
The knock on by Samoa over the try-line should have been a penalty try. The try was only prevented by a player (Fourie?) slapping the arm and ball while he was technically out of play on the ground.
The red card for Williams slap (followed by a clever dive by upcoming hollywood star Hennie Brussow) was totally unjustified but was the touch judges call not the refs- I think he realised how bad a call it was and that’s why Smit was sent off a few minutes later (cos his offence wasn’t really that bad either).
As Matfield said at the end of the game the Springboks were lucky – very lucky, as they were just credited with their second undeserved win of the tournament. Better reffing probably would have had them sharing the Namibians plane home today
1 Oct 2011, 01:31 am
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-41:
Sadly for the Poms that illusion is shattered about 20 seconds after they kick off most matches.
1 Oct 2011, 01:33 am
That game was always going to be a problem for the Boks not because of the scoreline, I think most of us knew they were going to win, but the injury list and FS is a huge loss for you blokes. His ability to kick the feck outta the ball is such a dangerous weapon. JDV is a solid enough option but he hasnt played well in years.
Its never nice to see a good player go down
1 Oct 2011, 01:33 am
dammit, that’s a big blow, JDV will go back to 1st choice …
See the Samoans are still harping on about Lemi’s penalty (even though he was tackled) and Williams’s red card. Tired to SA having to bear brunt of these arrseholes who will do anything to disrupt if they cannot win normally. Apparently death threats to Nigel Owens on twitter
1 Oct 2011, 01:37 am
@NoRugbyGuru_0_(RugbyGuru_0_)-10: The Wallabies beat your FIRST stringers right in their own backyard, pilgrim. Two out of two. Looks at the scoreboard.
1 Oct 2011, 01:38 am
Funny how life is. In 07 de Villiers got injured and Frans had to step in at 12. Now Frans had the jersey, and de Villiers has to step in.
Big, massive loss. My comfort is that if we are meant to win the WC, we’ll do so without Frans.
1 Oct 2011, 01:39 am
PS: You guys see after Hougaard was knocked out? Maybe my imagination but Samoan flanker was taunting him on the ground till ref chased him away?
Did I see wrong? I thought that behaviour is seriously sh1tty
1 Oct 2011, 01:40 am
McCaw is out with a sore foot against Canada – in hindsight I believe he was always due to miss this match – nice work by the PR machine to select him in a strong ABs team to keep the media at bay, then rest him under the guise of sore foot.
1 Oct 2011, 01:42 am
@blueboy(blueboy)-14: Samoa were every inch as “legal” as the Boks. If they weren’t the ref would have pinged them as there was clearly not much love and affection between him and Samoa. He didn’t ping them, so that means their physicality was legal. The ref is, after all, the sole judge of fact.
1 Oct 2011, 01:42 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-47: You go run a 100m at your age without at least walking to the bar for a week old timer. Faark me, you expect the Boks who were out for 5 – 7 weeks to beat the #2 team in the world? We nearly did, if not for fitness, sharpness, and Smit at 3.
Banter is banter, but **** stinks.
1 Oct 2011, 01:43 am
@danuk(danuk)-49: Typical Samoan behaviour. The Tackler loves it though.
1 Oct 2011, 01:47 am
I’d consider Sadie … anyone but Wynand
1 Oct 2011, 01:47 am
@Tartan(Tartan)-44: Too true
Lets see if they can struggle past the Scots this weekend.
1 Oct 2011, 01:48 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-51: yes, of course they where
1 Oct 2011, 01:48 am
They weren’t injured. They were at a “specialist” conditioning camp in Rustenberg. Well, it was a flop. They came up against the Wallabies in their own backyard and got smoked. Epic fail!
1 Oct 2011, 01:50 am
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-52: Will be an interesting game as both sides have injuries, and unfortunately Deans is not as much of a dimwit as some supporters to assume that the past 2 games means anything in the RWC
1 Oct 2011, 01:51 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-51: And that is precisely why no New Zealander can ever question or complain about Michalak’s “forward” pass in the last RWC. Great isn’t it?
1 Oct 2011, 01:53 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-57: All pointless unless the Aussies only wanted to win the TNs, so lets see what happens the weekend. Unless you obviously think its a walk in the park for the Aussies
1 Oct 2011, 01:57 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-57: By not commenting, you might find someone that thinks you know anything. By commenting, your chances go down by 99%
1 Oct 2011, 02:00 am
Losers always complains about the ref.
1 Oct 2011, 02:10 am
So Fran Styen is in the Boks line up for merely being a long distance kicking specialist?
Nor he is he the best inside centre who nudged the Boks incumbent JdV out of the line up with such an ease?
Morne Styen does kick from 55m successfully in case guys haven’t followed rugby, so any attempt to reduce the significance of Fran to the Boks’ game plan by making him a 65m kicks’ threat is interesting to say the least.
The punters haven’t given the boks much of a chance with Styen in the line up, so in the end the Wallabies margins may grow but that about it.
1 Oct 2011, 02:12 am
Get out the miracle spray. Inject him with anything.
With no disrespect to the likes of Bismarck, Heinrich, Victor etc. but we’ve lost one of our two players who really have “rugby flowing in their veins”. The other being our blonde-headed maniac Schalk.
We really really really needed Frans to win this World Cup. Now I revert to praying.
P.S. Dirty Samoans. Sick of playing them in World Cups with the way they carry on. Sore losers is all.
1 Oct 2011, 02:26 am
@danuk(danuk)-49:
I think you saw it wrong I believe he was trying to help him
Sometimes the danger is swallowing the tongue
1 Oct 2011, 02:28 am
@Hondo(Hondo)-63:
No I think tackler said it well
The 60 meter kicks are purely a bonus, plus a deterent
1 Oct 2011, 02:29 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-64:
You know i think they maybe jumping the gun here
Who said he is out? No doctor?
I think he could be back Vs ABs if we beat Oz
1 Oct 2011, 02:31 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-34: well said.
1 Oct 2011, 02:34 am
@danuk(danuk)-60: Well, they won 3N and they’re now in contention for higher honours. And, despite the loss to Ireland (oh so nearly matched by the Boks v Wales) they’re in the running still.
1 Oct 2011, 02:35 am
Oh well, the IRB and the All Blacks got what they wanted.
Every world cup without a doubt we have to play these filthy, headhunting animals.
We will not be winning the world cup without Steyn at 12. JdV is too old and offers nothing.
1 Oct 2011, 02:36 am
@ricane(ricane)-43: You should not support any team . Your rugby knowledge or your eyesight is not good enough.
1 Oct 2011, 02:41 am
So the weakened team for the 1/4s is
Danie the drunken downs instead of Botha
Smit the greedy tits instead of Bismarck
Spies the mangina instead of Smith/Alberts
JdV the old basher with weak defense instead of Steyn
Habana the old super quota instead of Hougaard
Yuck.
1 Oct 2011, 02:46 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-72:
The Samoans bossed you around and schooled you in the 2nd half, Heinrich for an Oscar what a p ussy, at your next Klan meeting you can discuss how you’d lynch those polynesian boys.
1 Oct 2011, 02:48 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-73:
Go ram it up your Chinese mail order husband.
1 Oct 2011, 02:49 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-73: Heinrich not as good as SBW yet. Remember the incident that all the Crusaders and commentators loved so much?(against the Sharks)
1 Oct 2011, 02:52 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-74:
beaten up by the poly boys just beautiful
@optiplay(optiplay)-75:
Hollywood has a small part to play in rugby
1 Oct 2011, 02:52 am
@optiplay(optiplay)-75:
Ja. Except what Brussow got was not a slap. It was a palm, which can easily be as bad as a closed fist.
Glad no island scum made it into the 1/4s.
1 Oct 2011, 02:53 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-76:
Ja, only one team is on their flight home back to Auckland zoo. haaaa.
1 Oct 2011, 02:54 am
Hard luck Frans lets hope its not too serious and he can take part later in the finals. The Bokke need a backs coach other than the try was there even one back line move?
1 Oct 2011, 02:54 am
Hey Kobus and optiplay you know ABs can do no wrong They never cheat or are dirty and never any acting. Right? We should know this by now.
Also 2 time world champs were schooled , by islanders nogal
1 Oct 2011, 02:56 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-78:
Schooled by the minnows lol
1 Oct 2011, 02:57 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-81:
The only schooling we got was the art of Head hunting
1 Oct 2011, 02:57 am
no more long range missiles…
1 Oct 2011, 02:57 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-80:
in the 2nd half you were, check the stats think you made it into the Samoan 22 once, KKK will be off to the range today to let off some steam
1 Oct 2011, 02:58 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-82:
really, are you saying you weren’t outplayed in the 2nd half?
1 Oct 2011, 02:59 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-76: @ Come on. Williams should be cited for public indecency for hanging on to Brussow’s crotch in broad daylight.What was he thinking. Brussow had nothing to do with anything at that stage. But he kept hanging on (ala Sean Fitzpatrick).IT WAS embarrassing.His teammates should have asked him to leave.
And what is this “KLAN ” thing??where does that come from??
1 Oct 2011, 03:00 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-84:
Yes they schooled us on how to have territorial and possession advantage for most of 2nd half (because we kicked our ball away), and could not score any tries? I would say excellent defense
1 Oct 2011, 03:01 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-80: Fitz and the great ZAN were the best.SBW learning fast.
1 Oct 2011, 03:01 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-85:
Read my post # 87
1 Oct 2011, 03:01 am
@optiplay(optiplay)-86:
where does that come from your farkng joking aren’t you? KKK views Polyesnians as 4th rate citizens who swing from the trees he’s overtly racist and has pictures of the Klan in his bedroom
1 Oct 2011, 03:02 am
@optiplay(optiplay)-88:
Private coaching lessons from both
1 Oct 2011, 03:02 am
RUN IT MORNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 Oct 2011, 03:03 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-85: Do you watch cricket?
1 Oct 2011, 03:03 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-89:
your defence was excellent, your attack well you didn’t have any Aus/Ab’s would have opened you up with that much possession
1 Oct 2011, 03:04 am
@optiplay(optiplay)-93:
I’m a big fan, love the game why do you ask?
1 Oct 2011, 03:05 am
Samoa is better than the All Blacks without McCunt and the Quarter Final Crier. 18-5… 13-5
NZ has been pillaging the wrong islanders. lol.
1 Oct 2011, 03:05 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-94:
I would agree there on the day. M steyn falls apart when under pressure
We dont have any 8 on the field
Fdp cant secure ruck ball when opposition is counter rucking
1 Oct 2011, 03:08 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-90: Not sure what you are saying.
1 Oct 2011, 03:08 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-97:
Whats happened to FDP he was superb in 09′, fallen right away and is becoming a bit of a liablilty if you want quick ball for your backs.
1 Oct 2011, 03:09 am
@optiplay(optiplay)-98:
Ok mate don’t worry about it, just skip my posts in the future when I mention the klansman.
1 Oct 2011, 03:10 am
The loss of Steyn is pretty much the loss of our whole backline. Steyn has a great cut out pass that gets the ball out to the wings. JdV on the other hand refuses to pass. I’d probably start JdJ ahead of JdV.
There is something about JdV that puts a dampener on the team. As soon as he came on Samoa scored and the Boks attitude went to dogshit.
1 Oct 2011, 03:10 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-96: ABs rank #1 and Samoa rank #10. Case closed. Home, James, and don’t spare the horses.
1 Oct 2011, 03:10 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-99:
Injuries, loss of a bit of pace, lack of confidence. and does not have dominant pack going forward all the time like Bulls.
Hougaard would dig out ruck ball quick and push back any counter ruck, is quicker, full of confidence
But dont right off Fdp just yet
1 Oct 2011, 03:12 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-99:
Don’t ignore his 2010 Super rugby form, thanks. You know, when he made Read look like a tard. Watch the blindside Read… lol.
1 Oct 2011, 03:12 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-101:
Are we 100 % sure he is out?
Maybe for quarters yes but lets wait and see.
1 Oct 2011, 03:13 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-95: I love the game of rugby.But I love all the facets in the game.A good scrum,a good steal etc.A team can loose but the tighthead will come off with something more than a loss if he had the better of his opponent. A good defensive showing is sometimes as good as good attacking . (Thus I like the 5 day format in cricket vs the 1 dayers..)I am not sure if I am making myself clear.
1 Oct 2011, 03:15 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-103:
Hougaard needs game time at 9 if he is to better du Preez at all. As soon as du Preez came on against Namibia the floodgates opened.
I hope Habana is out and Hougaard is fit to play.
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-105:
Doubt he will play again.
1 Oct 2011, 03:15 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-103:
He may come right but he’s running out of time, I would have Hougard in there as at least he’ll run a bit more and not just box kick.
1 Oct 2011, 03:16 am
BTW there wasn’t a single penalty for a high tackle in the entire match. Not one. So much for the “headhunting” myth. If you want to know where the Samoans hit you, ask poor Derek Hougaardt!
1 Oct 2011, 03:16 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-107: Du Preez is getting better every game.Far from his best ,but getting better.
1 Oct 2011, 03:17 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-109:
That’s because Nigel the gimp was ignoring them. There were at least three that he ignored.
1 Oct 2011, 03:18 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-109: Fishing again ,are’nt you?
1 Oct 2011, 03:18 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-107:
I think you are correct
If I have a fdp I start him at 9 Hougaard needs time at 9 yes, but great at 11
But we do have Aplon
1 Oct 2011, 03:19 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-113:
Yes good talk. I’m out bye.
1 Oct 2011, 03:20 am
Have to go, lets hope Steyn isn’t on the way home fantastic viewing seeing those 55 metre bombs being dropped.
1 Oct 2011, 03:21 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-109:
Hougaard ran into a somoans knee. I counted many hits with no arms or wrapping by samoans
1 Oct 2011, 03:28 am
i dont know what to make of the use of percentages by pdv to quantify situations
so does this mean there is 5% chance frans will stay and play? if so dont send him back just yet
JDV didn’t look to bad when he came on the only downer is boks will be less one kicking option
from here on in
9)FDP
10)M Steyn
11)Habana/Aplon
12)JDV
13)JF
14)JPP
15)Lambie
bench. Hougaard, Butch, JDJ
1 Oct 2011, 03:31 am
@boktillzero(boktillzero)-117:
No he is going to lend his boots to someone thats the 5%
Kidding aside I hope he is ok
1 Oct 2011, 03:40 am
Sh it!! Big blow to have Frans out…………
1 Oct 2011, 04:04 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-96: Such a sad japie, you’re unique.
Steyns injury wasnt because of the samoans aggressive play – he hit the deck hard, bad luck
Didnt he miss the 09 tour to NZ in the 3N coz he was in France? You guys did OK then without him, yeah hes a big loss, but you should be OK wth whats coming through
1 Oct 2011, 04:11 am
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-120:
No. Frans hit three 60 meter penalties in hamilton to beat the All Blacks in 2009 for the third time in a row.
Try and keep up.
1 Oct 2011, 04:33 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-121: My apologies- when did he go to France – coz you guys missed hime for a while
1 Oct 2011, 05:23 am
Coach Pete talk ****.It is impossible for a human to swallow their own tongue.
Fact.
1 Oct 2011, 05:40 am
You know South Africa may not win the world cup, but I always used to hope that if we did not win it at least Australia or NZ could. They may be our biggest rivals, but better our Southern Hemisphere partners than some northern team. Considering the spiteful behaviour of so many Australian and Kiwi visitors, to what is a ******* South African rugby site, I hope that if South Africa dont win the world cup the last team it goes to is either NZ or Aus
1 Oct 2011, 06:22 am
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-123:
Its a medical term where tongue block the air passage and the player can choke and die. Fact
1 Oct 2011, 06:32 am
Blocking and swallowing is not the same.Point taken,thanks.Semantics I suppose.
1 Oct 2011, 06:36 am
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-126:
If that happens “someone” must reach in and move the tongue away so breathing can occur
I guess the term swallowing is used to dramatize the event
1 Oct 2011, 06:42 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-78: Someone who posted a comment like that would get banned in any other website in the world. Not in South Africa though – says a lot.
1 Oct 2011, 07:05 am
All we lose with Frans out is the big boot. Admittedly this is a big advantage to us but Lambie had shown he has the temperament and skills to do a great job at 15. Frans was only ever keeping JdVs seat warm at 12.
1 Oct 2011, 07:35 am
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-129: Lambie has been more than disappointing at international level
1 Oct 2011, 07:42 am
Big loss…
Big Big Big loss.
Would play Juan de Jongh to start.
Aplon for Lambie
Just giv it horns.period.
1 Oct 2011, 07:44 am
Papoose. You have got to be kidding.
1 Oct 2011, 08:13 am
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-132: i actually am not
he hasnt offered much to date
not saying he’s rubbish just pointing out the obvious
decision making at 15 not been that great and missed a few up and unders
1 Oct 2011, 08:15 am
My Team for QF
1.Guthro 2.Smit(c) 3.JdP 4.Bakkies 5.Matfield 6.Brussow 7.Schalk 8.Alberts
9.Du Preez 10.Morne 11.Habana 12.de Jongh 13.Fourie 14.JP 15.Aplon
16.Bismark 17.Beast 18.CJ 19.Danie 20.Spies 21.Hougaard 22.Lambie
1 Oct 2011, 08:24 am
@Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-128:
i know it can get ugly on here at times mutts, believe me i’ve tries a few times to talk sense to some of the guys…doesn’t wok half the time.
just call him an old skool racist doos- or something similar, like thick headed neander japie or whatever.
its a sticks for sticks environment most days but its also a lot of fun with good banter most other days too.
1 Oct 2011, 08:33 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-134:
okay mshini… the bok coach job is yours…!!
good team… best team in the circumstances…
1 Oct 2011, 08:36 am
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-129:
agreed. the boks will have to opt for kicking to touch for any penalties too far out now thats all. jdv to midfield and keep lambie at fb imo. theres jdj and aplon in reserve.
question is is there genuinely anyone at home who could seamlessly fit into the bok setup and make a mark in the knockout games if frans comes home and they call up a replacement?
1 Oct 2011, 09:46 am
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-129: Keep taking those drugs. It’ll make the pain of the Boks getting knocked out unnoticeable.
1 Oct 2011, 09:54 am
i think the out of the box man for man replacement for Frans should be Johan Goosen. Same big boot, flair, solid defensively and Cooper-like on the run. Also he is new and thus unanalised at this stage and can play 10, 12 and 15. Frans version 2.0
1 Oct 2011, 09:55 am
well, this is tragic.
ends our chances as far as I’m concerned.
way more physical than jean and passes more and defends better and obviously the goal kicking.
over and out.
fck
1 Oct 2011, 11:03 am
Holy ****! This is a serious blow. If de Villiers is looking for someone to compensate for long range kicks and take the 15 jersey at the back then he should be considering Riaan Viljoen. Same calibre boot as Steyn. And he´s a agood fullback. Back to Donkey in mid field. not looking good for SA. Damn Samoans.
1 Oct 2011, 11:19 am
well at least the Dan Carter injury levels it with New Zealand. So if we can make it past the Ozzies were still in with a sniff.
1 Oct 2011, 12:32 pm
In retrospect those 60 m penalty kicks could have been kicked into their 22. Where tries with our rolling maul from the lineout was garanteed.
1 Oct 2011, 13:18 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-141:
Still remember that penalty for Griquas against WP back in 2008. He’s a threat from range alright, great kicking power for a relatively small guy.
1 Oct 2011, 13:24 pm
This is a travesty of note
I was backing us to win this world cup, now i am not so sure.
1 Oct 2011, 13:24 pm
@Derrida(Derrida)-139:
It’ll never happen. PdV doesn’t have his headmasters phone number, like Jake had for Frans.
1 Oct 2011, 14:19 pm
ok maybe just maybe the injury is not so bad and snorrie is playing mind games and Fransie only has to miss one game, am holding thumbs.
1 Oct 2011, 14:39 pm
The bok backline issues are to do with our alignment, not personnel. We line up way too flat on attack. By the time the midfield get the ball the defence is already up on us causing the centres to try and hit up and recycle from the ruck. Against Fiji and NAmibia we had acres of space and our entire side could run the ball without any pressure. No more in this tournament. Frans was as quiet on attack as everyone else against Samoa. It does not matter who plays in our midfield. If we starve ourselves of space we will struggle to score through thr backs.
1 Oct 2011, 14:42 pm
@147. Boombotherer. I was hoping along those lines, a la the Bakkies situation, but it appears to be otherwise.
1 Oct 2011, 18:07 pm
Well, I suppose it was mission accomplished for the islanders!!
I wonder how much money was on offer for FS’s head?
We will need to regroup and keep it amongst the forwards.
Start with Alberts and Spies off bench. Maybe he’ll make an impact.
JdV obvious for FS.
Will tell Divvy via Skype to try hyperbaric Oxygen on Steyn’s shoulder before they
send him back.. I’ve seen it work miricles in past.
1 Oct 2011, 21:23 pm
Man, that is a real pity. I have always felt that he was our best 12. An we need a great 12 with Nonu or Sonny Bill. (If we manage to beat Aussies which will be a mountain and a half).
Bugger.
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