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RYAN VREDE gives his thoughts on the make-up of the Springbok 22 to play the Wallabies on Sunday.
Can’t be an impact player if you can’t make an impact.
Butch is an insurance policy against injury, but a stupid one at that, because De Jongh would have been a real impact player, and in the event of a Steyn injury we could just have slotted Lambie in at 10, with Aplon going to fullback. If we wanted an attacking backline, I can’t think of a better one than Lambie at 10, De Jongh at 12, Hougaard at wing and Aplon at 15.
Nowhere does Butch fit into this picture.
Give it a rest Ryan.
I don’t even bother to watch the videoclip.
He can’t. He is contractually required to write at least one pro Butch story per day.
If he can slip in casual references to Butch in other, unrelated articles as well, then its bonus time, and then Keo gives him some extra gas money so that he can run the campervan’s heater all night long. It gets cold down there close to the Antarctic circle, and no one wants to rely on long johns and OB’s to make it through the long night.
Hence, sacrificing journalistic integrity in exchange for the basic neccesatities of life is not a difficult choice to make, I guess.
You can’t judge a person until you’v been in their shoes, so give Ryan a break man. He does what he has to.
yadda yadda yadda…
no more yadda yadda yadda…
tell us who wrote the book…
I am not going to be negative.
I am a bit superstitious about bad karma.
So I will simply say …
Good morning all.
I’m not sure that having an attacking backline is what our coaching staff has in mind. It certainly did not appear to be their plan when we beat the AB’s a few weeks back, by being defensive and making sure we made our kicks. Viewed in this light I can see why they selected Butch ahead of JDJ as they probably see Butch as more of a defensive threat
Not saying I agree, just trying to understand the logic
Hoe lyk dinge?
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-10: Goed ou maat – smaak my Keo en Butch is familie!
I mean, if it was a straight choice between snuggling up to Cardinelli in that beat up old campervan for some shared body heat, and churning out another Butch article I’d also be writing Butch up as the man Dan Carter looks up to.
Thankfully, I don’t have to make that choice.
It was Butch who closed out the game v Australia in 2010 to ensure the Boks avoided the whitewash.
peter davies taken off Supersports Kia Ora show for allegedly exposing himself to a 15yr old boy in the ablutions of a gym…apparently he pulled his wire in full view of the minor
what is up at supersport?
Vrot van die griep maar dis okay.
Tutu het vroeer gese hy gaan bid teen die anc en gister is ou juju hospitaal toe met griep.
Lyk my Tutu se gebid werk al klaar.
Snaaks hy is in n privaat hospitaal,hy is dan n vegter vir die have nots,moet hy nie dan na n staats hospitaal gaan nie.
they really have no bounds in regards to what they deem writable articles around here.
@Transformation(Transformation)-14: is that the story?
wondered what he did.
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-15: ook helse verkoue – dink ek oefen te hard. Geen weerstand.
as ek jou n tip kan gee – los die politiek…
You starting to give Gunther and Katman a run for their money Tac!
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-15: lol. Dink dis maar net ‘n delay taktiek van Julius, sy hearing was vir vandag geskeduleer.
Nah, they have comedic skill. I just make the odd little comment now and again. No comparison.
so ek sien die novocaine is op – want Bakkies kom huistoe…
ok manne – i’m out.
For those interested:
Ashwin Willemse is auctioning a signed Bok photo frame of the entire squad with WC 2007 jersey on his Facebook profile. Proceeds to go to the victims of the recent Duduza tornado victims. Highest bid thus far is R8000.00, bidding closes on Sunday.
I’m still not going to the Keo store to buy the book. If there’s nothing in his book about deliberately compromising teams with his kak tackling, its a kak book. For god sake stop promoting the guy. Its annoying and you’re embarrassing yourself.
Bulls ditch Bees Roux, well good for them
This is finals, knockout rugby people. And picking Butch on the bench is an absolute necessity with F Steyn out for good.
If M Steyn goes down with 20 mins to go and there are 3 points in it, would you all really be comfortable seeing Lambie go to 10 and Aplon go to 15?!
In WC quarter final?!
Give me a farking break the lot of you.
Picking Butch, a WC winner already, on the bench is an absolute must.
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-25: Its a perplexing move though, they renewed his contract at the end of last year. Surely it wouldve been the more ideal situation to simply not do that?
Aparently he was seen training with the Pumas without permission. Thats actually the reason he was called in for a hearing. Not because of the cop thing.
I think the Bulls are just happy to not have to deal with the publicity of playing a cop killer.
@John Galt(John Galt)-28: I know but I have a sneaky suspicion they using that as an excuse to get rid of him now.
Out of interest, does anyone know how many times the Boks have beaten the All Blacks with Butch plaing at 10?
I seem to recall that Jake’s Tri Nations win in 2004 involved only 1 win over NZ, and that was with Pretorius as flyhalf. Can’t remember who played in 2005, or in the 1 point Rustenberg win in 2006.
But I would venture a guess that in his short career Morne has more wins over the All Blacks under the belt than Butch in his entire career.
And this despite Morne playing in a team coached by Divvy and saddled with a bunch of old **** players.
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-30: I dont think any – ***** was flyhalf in 2004 when they won the comp at Ellis – i think ?
Surely it was more than just that. It was a gym changing room for goodness sakes.
Perhaps it was the hard on or masturbaton that pushed it over the edge?
Reyhan packing on the pounds.
Kiwi good eats.
Jaco wont allow me to say the son of god
Who is this.
What do you mean?
Anyone know how you reply to a specific post in the mobile format of this site?
Sense of humour, funny comments, insulting all the right people, etc etc
So, who is this?
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-30: Pretorius was the flyhalf in Rustenburg as well.
@Dawn(Dawn)-38: All the right people?
So who are the wrong people to insult?
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-30: ***** was 10 when the team won in Dunedin, not so?
The good guys, obviously.
Butch has played in 10 tests against NZ and scored a total of 20 points and the Boks have registered 2 wins.
So is this another lame attempt to punt Butch’s book.
@Brads(Brads)-32: well apparently he first exposed himself in the sauna and THEN in the shower cubicle tapped to get the boy’s attention and carried on pulling the wire. Supersport are just giving him time to sort the case out without them being dragged in the mud.
Please provide me with the list.
@Dawn(Dawn)-38: soon he’ll ditch his safari suit and start supporting the stormers.
F U K?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
no man, which presenter is he by the way, that dumpy little fatsh it in the glasses?
bring back derren.
@Transformation(Transformation)-46: ok, i am gonna go puke and then get on with my days work.
thank you very much transformation.
f uk sakes.
p.s. i didnt watch the video but its obvious that we need butch on the bench so lambie doesnt need to play 10 in a wc 1/4 should morne get injured.
have a good day all.
p.s. beast left out because the boks aim to grind seven kinds of k u k out of the aussies and guthro is the man for this job.
@rangerman(rangerman)-49: the blond sort of gary bailey lookalike – sortof, knowwhatimean.
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-48: Unlikely. He’s more relaxed, not stupid.
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-53:
My bad, I did not register pulling the wire as masturbation, assumed something else, him being a journalist in all.
We tend to go for more chunky descriptives for our manhood here in NZ.
@Brads(Brads)-55: \We tend to go for more chunky descriptives for our manhood here in NZ.
@Transformation(Transformation)-14: Ag nee man! What is up with the Supersport presenters. The producers must be pulling their hair out!
its just disgusting man.
some of these backyard rangers are really ffucking waaay offsides sometimes. i’ve had a few run-in’s with some of them over the years. have learnt to neutralise the threat early.
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-48:
Jeez that is hectic. I always enjoyed him as a presenter actually. Always asked the right questions and controlled the show nicely.
Old slug Smit no doubt has great player power. If PdV drops him then he’ll have half the team revolt and it’d be a France/Brumbies situation.
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-60: shouyldnt you be trying to find a life??
seriously dude, you make grant10 look like a adult…
shouldnt you go back to your class room??? just a thought?
You know, we already have Smith and Botha out. We can’t afford Bismarck to not be starting and Beast to be out of the 22. I would love to see the three clowns sitting around a table coming up with that pathetic 22 thinking that they’re revolutionizing the game while they give Rassie the cold shoulder.
Go. Suck. Smit.
So are we saying that Butch has never played in a winning test against the All Blacks? I thought there might have been 1 or 2. Who was flyhalf in 2005, when Jake won our home Tri Nations test against NZ?
So far we have:
2004: 1 win – Andre Pretorius
2005: 1 win – ?
2008: 1 win, Ricky January at scrumhalf but who the heck was flyhalf?
Then we have 3 wins in 2009, all with Morne at 10, and 1 win in 2011, also with Morne.
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-58: what, rangerman tried to bum rush you?
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-63: yup im right , ur a 5 year old
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-64: no no no tac, dont get ahead of yourself please.
ruan was the starting 10 in 2009 in bloem AND in for the 1st test against the lions at KP where we won.
so ruan is as much a hero as morne but then again ruan wasnt the starter when we got nilled in 2010 now was he?
p.s. butch was the starter in 2008.
I have already posted a comment that Butch has played in 10 matches against the AB’s.
2 of these the Boks won
He has scored a total of 20 points. Even with my poor skills at math I can work that out to be an average of 2 points per match.
Not a great contributor!
@Transformation(Transformation)-65: hey now transformation, thats uncalled for buddy?
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-64: BUTCH was the 10 in dunedin 2008, he kicked penalties and dropped one too
@Transformation(Transformation)-65: you really into all the G@y stuff this morning eish
See it for what it is !!!
Beast was left out because they can’t risk JS at TH and CJ provides the relevant cover there,
Therefore simply put, Beast loses out due to JS inclusion.
@rangerman(rangerman)-69: just joshing
@rangerman(rangerman)-67: lol ranger thats why when it comes to Tac i dont even respond
he tries to highlight only bulls players , the rest in his eyes are ****
ruan was subbed because of his poor play and the fact that the boks were losing with him on.
morne won those tests, end of story.
hehe no man, you know…’backyard rangers’ nudge wink.
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-71: peter davies ain’t g@y, he’s got a wife and kids
Did Morne come on to replace Ruan during that game in Bloem in 2009?
Hi SL, our u21 B team did your boys at theTank on Sat, recovered yet ??
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-76: talking rubbish, ruan’s injured ankle flared up and he was subbed at half-time. the score was 14 – 3 to the Boks with ruan having scored a TRY and a penalty!
in fact, morne steyns contribution at KP (31 pts vs the ab’s) was the most outstanding game by a bok 10 vs the abs in years but he can by no means be held solely responsible for the boks recent decent record vs the ab’s (5 from 11?)
1 win, 2 losses with butch as starter
1 wins, 1 loss with ruan (i could be wrong here)
4 wins, 2 losses with morne (again i could be wrong)
dont have the time for the research but i am thereabouts i think.
The whole Butch vs Morne debate isnt the real issue here though. This is my only problem with the continuos punting of the Butch book.
The real issue and glaring weakness in the Bok side is Pierre Spies and his continued inability to step up to the plate.
Everyone has improved steadily over the last few games, Rossouw, Habanna, JP, hell even Smitty!
You have to know that when a nobody like Ben McAlman says that he cant wait to play Spies again because hes a softy, that the oke is nought but a passenger.
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-76:
I prefer the term ****** Ranger.
in fact, with ruan starting it couldd be 2 from 2?
@justrugby(justrugby)-72: how is that Smits fault??
Smit playing TH brought success and failure, he also did not select himself there, but at the request of the coaching staff
no other hooker covers a prop position, so see it for what it is , Smit is chosen as hooker which is his preferred position, the problem being only CJ is a prop that can play both sides , even though he is not a great scrummager
so rather point out the truth , Beast is dropped as he cannot cover both sides, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SMIT
“so ruan is as much a hero as morne”…?…wow…
with all due respect, that must be the most ridiculous sounding thing i’ve heard this morning.
The score could have been so much more had Ruan actually kicked the other 4 or so goals he missed. Memories of a furious PdV standing on the sidelines just before halftime.
@Transformation(Transformation)-73: cool man.
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-76: no, thats not true.
ruan was missing kicks yes, but the boks were scoring tries. And no, morne did not win the 1st test at KP, ruan did.
check it, gotta go, cheers!
@justrugby(justrugby)-79: hiyas JR , yep
our own fault though mate , we should have walked the game , Sharks their own worst enimy right now
oh and the Sharks aint playing their c team??
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-78: Morne’s contribution in Bloem 2009 was to kick 3 penalties and he missed the conversion to mossie’s try.
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-76:
Are you talking about the Lions series?
No, Ruan kicked everything over in the KP Lion test. Dont think he missed a single kick.
In the second Lions test, he was missing everything and they brought on Morne.
So effectively Ruan had everything to do with the first win and Morne had everything to do with winning the second.
Not sure who played 10 in the last test.
So many flaws in Ryan’s argument.
Firstly Butch has not been picked as an IMPACT player but merely as a SUITABLE & RELIABLE SUB.
Butch is not expected to come on and change the game, rather he’s there in case Morne or one of our centres goes down. If anything he’ll only take field with 10 minutes to go.
Secondly, CJ got the nod ahead of Beast because of his versatility as we can’t go into this match with TH Cover.
Gurthro and Beast has been in a dual for the starting berth since the home leg of TriNations and cleary anybody can see Gurthro is the better player at the moment.
Another reason Beast dropped out apart from the CJ versatile factor is that Div figured that vs the Aussies the game is more likely to break open in the last.
Therefor GIO APLON got the nod as he’d have more IMPACT in this type of match than BEAST, who probably will get on the bench should we meet NZ as they present are bigger threat upfront.
Lastly, JS gets the nod as the captain but also with the expectation that the first hour will be tight and will suit John.
So even if Biz started he would’ve had less impact from minute 1 than he would normally have from minute 50.
Do you guys at KEO analyse anything?
Or do you just take things at face value without considering the merit of the options taken and weighing up the pro’s and con’s of each decision?
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-64: Wasnt Wacko Jaco the flyhalf in 2004??
Nonsense man you know it and I know it, why wa this not the startegy all tournament ??
But believe what you want……. I suppose !!
Steyn is the right man to start, why do you guys keep going on about Butch? He sucks, can’t kick and he is damn slow, he should not even be in the 22. Smit is solid for the 1st half, and when Bismarck comes on in the 2nd we gain massive momentum, same with Hougie.
@Transformation(Transformation)-90: I think Pienaar scored a try in that game before going off injured.
@justrugby(justrugby)-94: hatred is a very personal issue boet, only one suffering because of it is YOU??
Deysel – Bok
Adi – Bok
Joubert – Bok
Bosman – Bok
Daniels – Bok
Half your side freekin internationals ??????
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-87: ruan missed 3 penalties and a drop in the first half…his first 2 kicks hit the upright.
yip, kicked 3 penalties.
ja transie, ruan ‘played himself’ out of the bok flyhalf position.
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-64: 2005 win of NZ was Andre Pretorius.
R ectum Ranger.
You so far off the track you going to Durban via Walvis Bay boet !!!
World Cup is the Springbok’s for the taking. The Ausies are certainly vulnerable, after losing to the Irish, they have a weakness and we need to exploit it. It does not have to be pretty, as long as we can grind out the win.
Guys like Heinrich and Schalck needs to be at their absolute best. The rest of the forward pack needs to to dominate. The Backs have just seemed impotent and flat footed, especially now with F. Steyn out, it will be even harder. We cant afford to kick so much possession away like we did against Samoa, we will get punished. Its quite simple, we have the forwards that can hang on to the ball and setup multiple phases.
The Ball carrier needs to be supported, and when their is a line break via on of our backs, someone needs to be on his shoulder for the quick of load. If we do kick into space, the guys all need to move up as one and quickly to kill the counter attack before it starts. Jaque Fourie and Bryan Habana must stop shooting up from their defensive line, a guy like cooper will exploit the space in a flash. Every one should move up in a line as one and quickly, with the loosies going round the back as cover defense.
The Ausies will, and usually manages well, to create the overlap, the boks need to top this from happening. Habs, JP and Lambie needs to get invloved more on attack, pop up in the line, run acute angles from the back, and keep the Ausie defense guessing. Finally, ball handling. Don’t drop passes, keep possession an build momentum. These are all basics of rugby, no need for a complicated game plan. Play to the structures, but also be willing to play the situation as you see it. Have the freedom to break away from your structure if their is a opportunity to score, and it requires something different to finish.
Oh and just make sure to win every set pieces on your own ball, whether it be at scrum time or line outs.
I am no rugby expert, but applying all this, is not hard, and we can beat the Ausies by doing the basics rite. Exactly how the Irish did, they were never fancy in that win. They just got the job done.
Boks by 11
****** = ?
@John Galt(John Galt)-91:
no, i was talking about the 2009 3n tests against the all blacks.
but yes ruan did win the first lions test.
So peter davies was a little too active in front of a virgin.
What are they feeding the animals at supersport?
It is interesting that we haven’t heard a peep out of quota sux since this went down.
@justrugby(justrugby)-103: nope you are , just watch Smitty lift that trophy and weep
cry urself into a stuper….
So in a nut shell, provided the Bokke play to their very best potential, and the Aus don’t SA will win.
@Gunther(gunther)-107: Davies has not been found guilty of anything , remember always 2 sides to a story , IF FOUND GUILTY?? then by all means slate him as i will
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-106:
Gunter @ 125! … just saying
I take it you are not a betting man.
Why would I weep, it’s not Smit lifting that trophy it is 30 warriors lifting the trophy !!!
Fark ,we win this with JS imo wrong inclusion ahead of Bissy I will cry tears of joy!!!
Kobus must be kakking himself and praying that they don’t find out about his lovechild with Owen.
Not to mention Naas and his cross-dressing tapes.
@Gunther(gunther)-107: Thats him at 105.
@Brads(Brads)-114: Not really, But if i were, id bet on the Boks to down the Ausies. We will just have to wait and see.
If we meet Ireland in final , who changes jerseys ?
all my fears came true with this bok selection….
every last farken 1 of them!
@justrugby(justrugby)-119: They Should, we are still reigning Champions. Respect.
So he’s an active virgin.
I think you are probably right !!
so they’ve smuggled him a cellphone already?
@justrugby(justrugby)-123</ I am, i think.
only team in the world dumb enough to leave all the class on the bench…..farked up man!
alberts should have started at 8
bissy at 2
already that is a massive pack improvement.
Perhaps Hougaard at 9 [ may still happen because FDP got gastro, but so does Hougaard ! ].
100% support with heart
but head says the Fat Boys Club and weak management will torpedeo us…..
Well Plod….you got your way….lets pray this doesent end in tears…..because then I will let rip with how I am actually feeling right now!!!
I knew something was up when Peter said that his favourite rugby player is Aalwyn Hollenbach!!
And his second favourite BJ ??
Quite frankly i’ve run out of the inclination defend a team who’d make up we always knew would look that way it does. For better or worse, for your opinion or mine.
I’m now going to kick back, chill the booze and enjoy the spectacle that is this phase of the WC,
Good luck manne, Good luck Divvy, Keolings (and ET) try not to kill each other in my absence.
But I agree with SL, let’s wait until all facs have been exposed !! (no pun intended )
No matter what nick he uses, his poor command of the English language always gives him away.
@grant10(grant10)-127: “Well Plod….you got your way….lets pray this doesent end in tears…..because then I will let rip with how I am actually feeling right now!!!”
Im sure Smittie is quivering in his boots right now.
It’s like a full page advertisement for his lobotomy.
The Boks don’t have an ounce of attacking strategy in their kit. Their entire regime is based on defence and scoring via penalties.
Frans Steyn’s loss is a serious, serious, serious, dent in that strategy.
30-50% of the points they expected to garner have simply gone. There is no replacement.
Previously, SA had the luxury of leaving a world class player on the bench and bringing him on as a straight out impact player. It worked.
But the playing field has changed. SA no longer has a monster kicker in their ranks.
They have been brought down to the level of other teams, none of whom would dream of starting a match with their best player on the bench.
Bok rugby has been hijacked by soft c ock managers and a Fat Boys Club.
Roll on 2012.
Saru….call Mallet or Mitchell……and let us move forward into a merit based system where player power is reserved for on field performances……not this farcial retarded situations where a chosen few are untouchable despite absolute proof of better players sitting on the farken sidelines.
Wales game was a huge warning sign…..but we dont farken learn…..too stupid, or ‘ hijacked’?
Bloody disturbing…..may Bok rugby never allow itself to get into this s hit again.
sjoe…rangers hey…bladdy hell…
if whatever it is you do for a living goes south…please, please consider a career in comedy.
use it, dont use it…
Why are you so quick to call everything you don’t agree with dumb?
Shouldn’t it be smarter on your part to disect the decisions taken by the management and team?
What if their strategy works out?
What will your argument or justification be to take pride should the impossible in your view transpire?
You call the team and management names yet in the same breathe you holding out for what you believe has no chance of happening because they don’t share in your view but just in case they get it right you’ll still be here sharing in the spoils of victory?
Can you please breakdown your reasoning and sentiment, without calling anybody names please?
Everyone watch Spies. Watch how he positions himself as far away from the action as possible. It is so frustrating knowing that Brussow and Burger are tackling everything that breaths while Pierre the p-ussy sits and watches. It is raining. It is a knock out game. IF there was any game to start Alberts, it is this game.
So, my predictions for the game
Danie will get the ball ripped/knock on nearly every time he carries.
Pierre will hide/be driven back
Smit will be a liability, including set pieces
du Preez and Morne will kick 95% of the ball aimlessly – the other 5% will not go past JdV. We have no backline on attack with JdV.
Smit to do his humble loser speech at the end of the game, delighted that he finished his career as the most capped bok of all time. Well done Smit, you will be remembered as a LEGEND! Go pay someone to write another egotistical book you tub of lard.
When you see John Smit run on the field and you actually gasp at how fat and cumbersome he is, then you know that not all is right in the camp. For him to start ahead of Bis is an insult to the intelligence of all coaches. Aus are already planning to target the scrum when Smit is on. They will get momentum and we will then throw Bis and Aplon on to try and play catch up. Bis will give away some penalties because he is trying too hard and Aplon will get caught behind the gain line trying to make something out of nothing. Butch will get brought on and will also get unfairly treated when he attempts to grubber through the defense trying to break down the now confident Aus backs. Man, you dont need Spielberg to work out this movie. Get the game over, fly the boys back and do what we should have done 3 years ago. Fire Snor, Muir and Gold.
There is no way Boks will beat Aus
@Brads(Brads)-135: mallet and Mitchell have more acumen in there farken pinkies than this 3 stooges will ever have.
We have got ourselves in a fair pickle now.
We lose while Bissy and Alberts are on the bench I hope Plod and PDV are happy to ttake the consequences…..
Farken self glory seeking wally that the fat boy is……
Now what’s wrong with relying on your defence and scoring via penalties if the results show that we’re winning?
The Aussies are a running team yet they just got shown up by Ireland who used defensive tactics against them, does this mean that the Aussies should become more defensive now as their attacking strategy ended in the RESULT OF A LOSS?
Frans only kicks at goal 5 meters more than Morne, and less accurately.
Before you can say fatboy sandwich grantie will have his voodoo doll out and have stuck plod in the eye.
Bang goesour lineouts.
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-137:
I work for igovernment in immigration.
I have a job for life and all the class A drugs my system can handle.
They’d be stupid not to change their tactics.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-138: too busy
wales it scraped home
now we pulling trigger again
No coach is perfect, Mallet had a dream run but it ended it tears when he dropped his captain taking a half-fit Bobby in his place after he allowed media hype to get to him.
Mitchell is one of the most successful AB coaches ever, yet if you look carefully the AB’s have been at the top of the ladder most of the times during the Pro Era with not even a handful of their coaches having a bad record, simply because of the calibre of players they’ve had at their disposal.
Similiar to Wonder Coach Robbie Deans who’s struggling with average players in certain positions in the Aussie camp now he’s been reduced to an average coach.
I said it yesterday, most times a coach is only as good as quality players he can choose.
Exactly, now my point is why should the Boks now change their tactics after it has given them the right result so far in this tournament.
Instead people choose to call us dumb and static put praise losing running sides.
Deans expects his teams to be nimble with their tactics.
Bulldozing along with a one track mind is not his style.
In case you didn’t see the scoreboard vs Wales
SA 17 Wales 16
Isn’t that what rugby is about? The FINAL RESULT?
Not missed tackled stats, amount of possession, tries scored.
The only stat that matters is POINTS collected.
I’m still waiting to see the team who’s gonna give this Welsh side a hiding, by that I mean beat them convincingly.
Of the 8 remaining teams you’d be hard-pressed to find anybody whipping anybody as all of them have their strenghts and weaknesses and it’s the performance on the day that will decide the outcome, not ranking positions or favouritism tags etc.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-138: There is no reasoning in it, its purely emotional. Now I have no problem with showing emotion and supporting your opinion except when it is brought up as fact. We all get emotional about something in relation to the sport we luv , I get emotional about Barnes, Owens, Bryce Lawrence especially :lo: but one thing remains for me and that is that no matter whether or not the Boks lift that trophy, the way they have gone about trying to win it speaks volumes for me and deserves my support.
They have been the epitome of professionals in my opinion, have put their bodies on the line everyone of them, given their best ( which for some is not good enough) and will remain “my BOKKE”. Win or Lose I want to thank them for the journey they have given me as a supporter so far and I look forward to that journey possibly continuing. They are not always going to win but hell they are going to give it their best as it always is in life. So PDV, and all your team, hats off to you and “gooi mielies Bokke”
Is getting outsmarted by a defensive and tactically better prepared side Deans’s style then?
@justrugby(justrugby)-115: well said then it’s also true that if we lose its not Smit but the 30 warriors right??
cuzz see we always lose and see smit get the blame , from you and all ur mates??
same as some dont give pdivvy credit for how well we are doing so far?? right????
i have not said SMit is the best hooker at present , but he sure as hell aint as bad as you guys make him out to be , and even when he has a great game , the silence re it is defening
i also understand however why Pdiv is starting SMit and then bringing on the likes of Bismark
so lets rather give Divvy credit
All you prophets of doom are a real pain in the poopshoot. Never has there been a Bok team (or any sports team, for that matter) that has pleased everyone.
But even with the debate about Smit and Butch and Spies, this is the closest to a unanimously agreed Bok team we’ve had in many years. It’s a bloody good squad, and a potentially world beating match 22.
All of you forsaking them now and washing your hands of them would probably never have been 100% behind them anyway, regardless of selections or coaches. So the loss of your support is pretty insignificant, really.
For the rest of us – we’re about to face Australia in the QF of the World Cup with a potent pack and a great backline. It doesn’t get much better than this.
@>^..^< katman(katman)-155: 1000% correct kat boet
what a sorry bunch
For this game, the 22 would i would have picked, doesnt differ much.
15. Lambie ( been solid through out the tournament)
14. JPP (hope he can quickly return to his super rugby form.)
13. Jaque Fourie
12. Juan De Jongh (Call it a gamble, but this guy could spark something at 12)
11. Gio Aplon ( has not had his chance, and should be given the opportunity)
10. Morne Steyn ( I will admit, we need his accurate boot, just need to work on his defense)
9. Hougaardt ( This guy is brilliant, best No. 9 and wing in the country)
8. Alberts. ( Spies means nothing, Alberts has been consistently good)
7. Schalck ( plays like a man possessed)
6. Brussow ( He must repeat his performance in that last TN game)
5. Matfield ( Needs to dominate own and opposing line outs)
4. Russow ( Has done his job well, so far at the tournament)
3. CJ ( Srummed well, and must put in a big performance at scrum time)
2. Smit ( He is our captain, replace with Bissy at Half time, no later)
1. Steenkamp ( has Scrummed like a warior)
16. Bismark ( Need to come on at half time, will make a huge impact)
17. Beast. ( when he comes on he needs to make a big impact at scrum time)
18. Spies ( not sure who else, only use encase of emergency.)
20. du Preez
22. de Villiers
@>^..^< katman(katman)-155: Well said Katman
@Eish(Eish)-140: smit fat??? stop looking at ur mother when watching rugby dude
there aint any fat on smit, ffs have some guts to say these things to his face ond not on a faceless blog
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-158: hiyas piesangs , you well boet??
You’re right, supporting your team with emotion and passion is how it should be.
But when discussing team tactics, selection and strategies you have no ground to stand on when calling it dumb, stupid fat boy club and all these degrading things.
Especially not when the results have been in FAVOUR of the team’s decisions.
The coaches/players tell us during interviews what’s the reason behind certain things.
Why should we then come here and tell them they’re stupid and they should do it another way when cleary what they are doing has been planned for a while, carefully considered and as long as it’s working we can discuss and debate it but fact remains their plans are working and they’re right to stick with it.
don’t think so… this is aus we’re speaking about… not renowned for their scrumming strength but very threatening in the back division…
they went 4/3 because of this to have more cover in the backs… therefore you need a prop who can pack down on both sides… and cj is the man…
i think they would’ve gone this route even if they started bissy and had chili on the bench…
sheesh with all this g@y talk… suddenly a lot of rugby terminology seems to be dripping with innuendo…
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-152: A flucking men
bring me my mshinishini.
On any bench, you need players to (i) up te tempo, (ii) close a game down, and (iii) cover potential injuries.
Variation is key.
Butch might not cover (i), but he certainly covers (ii) and (iii).
In fact, he might be the only one on the bench capable of performing (ii).
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-161: exactly mate, these loud mouths are so tough behind monitors , damn buch of under achievers that they are
As much as I’m saddened for the Boks by Bakkies loss, I’m afraid that Steve Jobs death, for me, is a far bigger tragedy, in the scheme of things.
Hell, with his creative vision and maniacal attention to detail and simplicity, he would have made one hell of a rugby coach. A superior cross between Mallet on steroids and Carwyn James.
You can’t take a dump all over the team
But at the same time hold out that should they win you’ll support them and have bowls of confetti ready should they arrive back with the Trophy
How the hell does that work?
agree hundreds bud…
barring injury… this is the best 22 we could pick and IMO the best starting 15…
Boks have done us proud so far , that encludes the coaching staff
no if’s or but’s
it is tragic david… but not unexpected… he leaves an amazing legacy…
i’m an apple ****… and love their products…
they obviously pushed the launch of the new iPhone to be out before he died… quite sad the two events happened on the same day…
apple gonna miss him big time…
**** = apple S L U T…
Well said. The bench isn’t just about impact. It must be a nightmare getting it right and fitting it in with the overall game plan.
I reckon they’ve got it spot on, considering who’s available.
Like I said, there’s nothing better during the build up of a big Test than having a good debate about tactics and selections.
But when people disagree and start throwing personal insults and make accusations towards the team when what they are doing is working but you still want them to change for you to find vindication in that is wrong on so many levels.
If we lost to Wales and Samoa with the tactics we’ve been using I’d be just as much against it as the biggest critics around here.
But it’s working so why all the insults directed at the team?
They Winning aren’t they?
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-157: Rassie said the other day he gives the team selectors the stats and data so that they can select a team based on facts not emotion.
These stats show that both Morne and Spies are doing their Job just fine, go and look at the stats , leave your emotion at home
Are you suggesting a one defence system fits all or what was put on show last time by the opposition is all that needs to be prepared for?
Teams work out attacks, just as they work out weaknesses in defence.
If your only weapon is defence, how do you score outside of your planned strategy of goal kicks?
Blind luck is my suggestion.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-175: exactly mate, but the ones throwing the insults , are the real losers in here
Its quarter final time and the Boks are there,
Pity their hooker is John shaped like a pear.
Spies is talking a really good game,
just wish he would back it up instead of being tame.
Old Snor is really back to his best,
squeaking his way from interview to test.
His goal he says is to be more than a coach,
and who can argue that he achieved this boast?
He is the laughing stock of all coaches there,
with his ridiculous comments and Smit love affair.
Bismark is big, has skill and class,
Let’s hope one day he sticks Bill right up your a………
Exactly, I said as much.
Astounding to think Ryan thinks that Butch has been selected as IMPACT.
He’s not, he’s able cover for 10 and centre. He might not even make it onto the field.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-175: There are so many guys that can’t wait to say I told you so , what a sorry bunch. They all think they know better than , Smit , Vic, Div, Rassie, Muir and Gold together
and another amen brother and i’ll raise you a halleluia too!!
my feelings ed zachary…
For all the Bok deserters, the Cape Spanish Supporters Union has decided to open their doors for a final round of floor crossing. Submissions to join the Mighty Half Blacks must be made by midnight on Friday. And for those who don’t make the cut, they have launched a Samoa Supporters Union (kind of like the House of Representatives) with much lower entry criteria. They’ll be known henceforth as the Cape Porras, and they’re waiting for your Please call Me.
the roads around pretoria will be very quiet come satuday and sunday cause all will be in front of the TV…
thus i will be on the bike training and not watch the games…
i’ll pvr them all and just friggen delete the bad “outcomes”
better for my health to stay away from thet TV… man ek kan stresssssss!
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-160: I’m well Boet all juiced up for Sunday . Will have to hit the gym before then to work up some space for the early morning drinking. My nerves are already shot
I haven’t even watched this Keo TV video yet, but I have a strong idea what has been said…
we all know the feeling bud…
sheesh i’m a bundle of nerves and stress…
Good team BUT a few naive selections.Namely:
-Hougaard at 9,as bad as du Preez has been he is STILL a better 9 than Hougaard who has an average pass,poor kicking out of hand,gets caught in rucks,suspect decision making.Has hardly played at 9 in last 2 yrs as well.He is great with ball in hand which is why at present he is class there.But he isnt an international 9,wing yes.
-CJ is the mediocre at everything he does.What game did he scrum well? He has been benching every game bar Namibia.Jannie has scrummed well in all his games,if he goes down Boks are short at 3.CJ is prone to slipping bind,penalties for incorrect engage etc He is very erratic,jannie is the rightful starter at present.
Otherwise good team.Except i would still put Hougaard on bench to up the ante with Bismark.Habana still very important cog in defense especially scramble and umbrella D.
CJ was rubbish in S15,had ONE decent game as a sub vs AB’s.Thats not enough to surpass Jannie period.
i’ve never watched one of the keoTV thingumabobs…
i refuse to be forced to watch reality tv…!
and none of them have a butt like Kimmy K…!!
Firstly, you can never put down a result to luck.
Like I told Grant10 yesterday, that means you’re believe there are exterior forces at play, some sort of divine intervention.
Do you that sangoma’s, leprichons, prayers etc have impact on a rugby result?
That’s not at all what I’m suggesting.
In case you forgot. vs Wales & Samoa we scored 1 try each, that takes away your argument that we rely only on our defence.
So then what was the difference between a win and a loss when we played those teams, can you point that out for me please?
And please, don’t say luck.
Since when does wanting the best possible side to play, giving us the best possible chance of winning this thing constitute a lack of support ??
When the whistle blows the side is supported 100% irrespective of who is playing , being a supporter gives one the right to an opinion and the right to highlight shortcomings, being a “blind” supporter is imo is a lot worse and a far bigger pain in the poopshoot !!
I can tell you right now that I don’t agree with especially Spies an JS starting, does that mean I won’t be supporting them at kick off ??………………………..not on your nilly boet !!!
Quick breakdown of Ryan’s view.
1. Butch should’ve started, he’s not impact player.
2. Beast should’ve been on bench in place CJ (You’ll pick that one apart)
3. Gio Aplon is good impact (but Ryan fails to reckon in the merits of it , meaning vs Aussies it’ll work but against NZ Beast will take his place as the AB’s are a different challenge)
hehehe… how zit jr…
it’s also true that agreeing with the team selections doesn’t necessarily make someone a blind supporter…
the only blind supporters are the cyclops AB supporters who wear a black patch in the middle of their foreheads too…!!
That’s the thing, it’s all fair on your side to say you don’t agree with it and give your reasoning.
On my part I’m no blind supporter but i’ll back the decisions of the team WHEN IT’S WORKING, which seems to be the case right now.
The only thing we or me personally doesn’t like is insults and degrading of our team and downright disrespect for their decisions.
Ja I’m not into this business leader worship thing.
They’re there to make as much money as possible, nothing more.
So Steve Jobs’s death is a personal tragedy for his family and friends, not a matter for international moments of silence.
Wish he was still alive, but for his family’s sake, not for the world’s sake. Just like I wish the random guy who died in a car accident was still alive.
Strange, the people that are hero worshipped these days.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-192: that means you’re believe there are exterior forces at play except Suzy of course…
@ufo(ufo)-189: i have mastered this uncanny knack of totally ignoring the fact that the game even happened if we lose…… i just never ever mention it! EVER!!
@capebull(capebull)-181: wait until the Boks lose and Ryan, Keo, JC…we told you so, Butch is not an impact player and they will lament how a WC medal winner was reduced to a forlon figure by a useless coach whose appointment was an “error”
well a charging rhino makes you forget most things ever happened…!!
@capebull(capebull)-176: I f that is so, then you give some stats, that show that Spies is of any use. Alberts has played far less minutes of rugby at the world cup than Spies, but has had twice the impact that spies has had.
Tackles made and %
Bross 27 -79%
Morne 16- 67%
F Steyn 12-55%
J Fourie 8-67%
Alberts played 40% of the time Spies did 60% , so Alberst could have done 6, if he played same time @ 50%
Before this game Spies was 81% effective and Alberts 61% in his tackling, thats why Rassie recommend Spies Not Alberts
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-197: invented or pioneered anything lately Taccy?
I reckon Butch will come on and gift the Aussie 6 points to close out a record win. The twat is the worst 10 in the country but there is nothing like good PR to fool most of the people, most of the time. Amanda Knox gets out of jail with slick PR. Dewani hires a PR guru before he hires a lawyer and stays out of court for months on end with bullshytelitis… and Hitler got all of Germany on his side with Goebbels… Bottom line is that the B ullshit always ends … The myth of White Superiority is on its knees. I will like apply the coup de grace within this month
Down with the Nazi boks
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-201: I will say that Alberts every now and then tackles a guy out the park so does Danie , Spies generally just puts the guy down.
But I would rather take 80% effective than 60%
Maybe I must give an example.
Say now PDV started Butch at 12.
I would’ve been shocked.
But after Div would’ve given his reasoning for it at the press conference I would see his view on it.
He would probably see Butch as stronger defensive at 12, a better kicking game with an eye on playing for position, and also JdV would have an oppurtunity later when it opens up.
I would’ve been sceptical of it BUT i can’t go calling Div and Butch names just because i don’t agree with it.
Instead I’d support it, and only when it fails will i have a very good reason to criticize the coach and the team.
How can you cry foul over things that haven’t even happened yet?
SMITTY IS RUBBISH
Boks going home on sunday
Boks will be playing currie cup next weekend
@capebull(capebull)-202: A game is not only based on tackles made boet. With possession alberts has been far more effective, When Spies gets the ball he runs across field, scared of making contact.
Alberts on the other hand gets over the advantage line by running hard and straight.
I’m afraid not.
If Jobs were the Bok coach our players would be chinese, playing in black and white and tickets to test matches would cost R5,000 subject to a 48 month vodacom talk 2000 contract.
Computer says no.
just when you were looking so good tac…
no one’s worshipping him… just acknowledging a man who has impacted on the world of technology and the world in general…
who had heard of an ‘APP’ a few years ago…? something like 400-billion have been downloaded since he invented them and billions of people around the world use scores of apps every day…
he revolutionised music listening with iPod… he revolutionised music distribution with iTunes… and could go on… but won’t…
thing is… he changed the way the world does many things and was a significant human being who made a massive contribution to the planet… i have no problem with recognising the man or his contribution… waaaay more than you or i have done..
but that doesn’t mean anyone worships the guy…
get a grip bud…
At the end of the day all that matters is that the boys are supported 100% at kick off, wether you agree with selections or not, if we all agreed this blog would die a sudden death and rugby talk would be a boring as reading ET’s posts.
Agreeing with selections does not make one a better supporter than those that don’t and vice versa !!
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-204: In S15 Butch man alone played Sharkies out of the game …………until he almost took of the head of Sharkie Keegan , the rest is like they say history , Sharkies went on the get back into the game , they should have won.
Butch tackle stats 60%
how refereshing, a coach that actually admits he didn’t do a good job..
Slade managed only 5 of 9 shots at goal against Canada, meaning his World Cup percentage is now running at a lowly 62.5 per cent (15/24), but All Blacks assistant coach Wayne Smith believes Byrne’s influence will turn the young first five-eighth’s statistics around.
”Mick will really make a difference to our goal kickers, no doubt about that,” Smith said. ”All I have to say about the goal kicking is our kicking coach is back and he can take that responsibility off me because I’ve been an absolute failure.”
Smith doesn’t think Slade’s percentages do him justice, citing the ball being used at the cup and Wellington’s tricky wind as contributing factors.
”It was difficult [against Canada]. The wind was swirling and I think he kicked the ball pretty well.”
Smith recalled Slade banging over 11 goals for Canterbury in the ITM Cup semifinal against Wellington last year in saying he was a proven goal kicker.
”As I say he will probably get a bit better biomechanical advice than he’s been getting [with Byrne back].”
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-206: PDV – has got reasoning… nooit!
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-208: Do you want the stats on the other aspects as well ? Maybe rucks attended and clean outs as well ? Ball control in scrum, line outs won ?
I know that Rugby is more than tackling , but it is one of the most important aspects , believe me Rassie looks at all.
hehehe… shucks no… not suggesting we should agree… just that not agreeing doesn’t make you a disloyal supporter and agreeing doesn’t make you an intellectually and visually challenged individual either…
@capebull(capebull)-212: Have you got the stats on how many points he gifts the opposition per game
u have a valid point, but it is gut-wrenching not to see players like Bismarck, Alberts and Hougaard start. Bismarck in particular is an absolute travesty, not just cos its his time, but for the whole team’s chances. I dont think they’ll win but i hope they do, very much so, but i personally wont derive any joy from it even if they do cos something’s not right in the state of china here when bismarck cannot be selected for this team. sorry thats the way that i feel, but there are doubtlessly far more loyal Bok supporters out there.
@Gunther(gunther)-209: And we’d be called the iBoks, and each player would be made redundant within 4 months of selection.
I must say, I can see some logic in Smit starting and also, I hate to say it, Spies.
If the emphasis is going to be on dominating up front in the early part of the game, then Smit is a stronger scrummager than Bissie and more accurate thrower, whilst Spies adds a better lineout option than Alberts and more speed covering the backline against Aussie line breaks.
Besides, Smit is definately no impact player either. The plan is obviously to keep it tight, wear them down, then attack them with our bench.
surely you have that sort of information on file at the Cape Spanish Consulate in Stevenage?
@>^..^< katman(katman)-219: verseker!
LOL, the AB’s supportings are really keeping a low profile.
Maybe they believe that if they don’t boast about their invincibility before a knock-out match that Karma will be smiling on them
What must be shall be, no if’s and buts, prayers or Karma after the fact can change anything to the final result.
Interesting that Divvy commented that Naas phones him every second day at WC to encourage him, he really appreciated that.
We could all learn from Naas . Thats why he was best Flyhalve we ever had , even if he never tackled.
Come on Trans, you know PDV came out and said he didn’t do a good job in giving more players a run during his 4 years.
Wasn’t that refreshing too?
Time will come when each and everyone will have to give the man his due.
I’m no Div apologist and I’ve called out his mistakes many times here, but right now he’s making all the right moves 8)
there would be more counterfeit iboks than all black jerseys in mitchell’s plain.
and everytime an ibok was injured he would be out of warranty.
but we would dominate the world..!!
A whole lot of people (they know who they are) are just waiting on the edge of their seats to say:
(not “congratulations Bokke on that great win.”)
(not, “hard luck, you gave of your best and it was great while it lasted.”)
“I told you so.”
Sick. I’m actually wondering if they would prefer the team to lose just so that they can say “I told you so”. The way they carry on, they cannot fully be behind the team… I guess it’s their way of trying to have some semblance of triumph should the team fail.
These are not real fans.
thats actually a helluva nice gesture by Naas.
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-228:
u wont get any of that from me pal, i’ve had my say.
as for mr patriotic, u one of the biggest compainer about ‘snor’ out there so catch a wake before you get your kicks in. hyprocrite.
@Transformation(Transformation)-213: I also read that piece. He admits he is no kicking coach at all. It’s good to know what your limitations are, and the areas you excel at. Nice one Wayne to call for help, and give the kid confidence when he needs it most.
naas cops a lot of flack but always admired him…
(especially when morne nailed him… no, just kidding)
think he is perhaps our sharpest analyst and really admire the way he handles many of the people he’s thrown together with who know farkall about rugby but he remains respectful and patient… NEVER takes a know-it-all attitude like many other people do…
like you say… respect…!
Best boost for Ireland… is a headline of a thread here on Keo…
my eyesights is going cause i read:
Best b oobs for Ireland…
Had to read it again!
(feeling a bit bad about posting this)
@Gunther(gunther)-221: Speaking of Spanish.. a Friend of mine who is a good looking Spanish/British lass with a real good tan got racially abused in a car park. She could not understand the abuse and was shaken by the incident.. I told her that in Cape Town, some of the local Nazis are targeting dark skinned Spanish for abuse. She would like to “meet” you
Fair enough, but Div has breaked it down why those guys are on the bench and not starting even if some believe they should be there right from the start.
It’s been working so far, if it fails it all falls on him and we can all have a go at them if we want to and he’ll have to live with it.
But Div is backing himself so even if he fails he knows he did it his way and won’t die wondering what if.
And should it continue to be a success what will the doubters cling to?
but when PDivvie calls for help such as Nienaber and Rassie it’s because he’s useless and everyone criticises him…???
@David(David)-220: Agree David. Just feel for Beast being left out. Then with a 4/3 split one of the props had to take a fall for the team. Had to be Beast unfortunately as we will never start a game without two hookers and cover for our Th. Don’t really rate CJ and once they take off Steenkamp feel that CJ is not like for like in the change. Beast and Steenkamp very similar. In that we bring on fresh legs and lose nothing in our scrums, but rather gain something with a fresh player but equally good.
With our injury problems to Habs, JPP and Brussow we needed to cover all of them on the bench. Not sure why Brussow was with the rehab players yesterday could just be getting over bumps and bruises. Only that Flo is on the bench tells me it might be more than that.
We have a good team just need to keep the discipline imperative that we do that. From here on discipline and defence will win it for most teams left standing. First time tackles is a must. Not sure if our scramble defence will be okay against Oz. They get through us and that could be 7 points straight up.
Do hope that JdV has a blinder. We need him too.
i’m with tac on this one.
the guy was a completely overrated gadget maker.
who sold his stuff for ridiculously more amounts than they were worth.
there’s a sucker born every minute i guess, when people are prepared to pay 4 or 5 times as much for something which a samsung (or any other tech maker) could do. just makes no sense to me, and then they make his death out to be a world tragedy?…ridiculous…
bakkies botha getting injured (or even frans steyn)…thats a tragedy.
@cab(cab)-230: Feeling guilty?…
It looks like it.
You are one of the biggest Smit bashers all of a sudden… you been influenced too much by the rabid, insecure mob on here.
You’ve done the hard yards with your comments, feel free to say “I told you so” if the Boks lose.
[there is far more chance of the Bokke being knocked out than winning the Cup so statistically you will have your day in the sun]
[even a broken clock is right twice a day]
dont have a problem with pdv, he’s unfortunately had to pick a side, i have a problem with smit at 33 past his best playing more rugby in a 1/4 final against australia as opposed to Bismark in his prime, probably our only worldclass weapon other than brussow.
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-228:
They’re the worst sort of supporters, even when the results are going our way they’re still not satisfied.
They want everything to be the way THEY see it to be the correct way, not the coaches and the team and are dismissive of their decisions whether it works or not because it isn’t the way they would’ve done it.
On a serious note, studies have shown this to be signs of an egotistical nature where they’ll love you when you do what they want but hate you if you disagree.
staal bud… BTW… the other day chatting about BG… i really did and do admire the guy and was one of my favourite boks… it was precisely his double-or-quits attitude that i admired…
as i said… it was a shameful thing to do… but he is not a shameful man… and just want to be clear with you that’s not what i meant at all… i respect you and him so just don’t want to leave you with an incorrect perception…
he obviously lost it and i’m sure he is not proud of what he did…
but a great player… and as from you and other people who know him who’ve told me about him in the past… a great guy too…
trust you understand…??
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-239:
you weasly bladdy hyprocrite, one of the biggest critics out there – what you suddenly forget all your comments? hey? how convenient.
there are precious few people on here who’ve not had a go at various individuals in the bok setup who they feel are not pulling their weight, katman is one of the few, but from you?! what a fkn joke.
PDV IS A MORON
We all know that
The Aussie rugger team and coach must be laughing their heads off
with Smitty the Fatty at hooker
They all acknowledge that Bismarck is the best in the world
Isn’t Flo there as lock cover as well as loosie? If we lose a lock, either Flo or Alberts could go on, which would mean the other covers the loose forward positions. Getting the bench right means covering a number of possibilities.
Without South Africans like YouKnowWho on this site…………………………………………………………..who needs us Kiwi’s.
I bet the Poms are overwhelmed that he decides to live among them.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-235: did it his way? skop ‘n jag and negative rugby was not “his way” when he started
@cab(cab)-243: you sound more and more like skopskiet every day…
Langers the Spanish are the biggest racists you will ever meet.
They boo Lewis Hamilton at the Grand Prix for goodness sake.
Tell your real spanish friend that I am an equal opportunites insulter.
@cab(cab)-229: If you look at this blog we all want to kill Divvy , lets support them regardless if your favourite player does not play.
no you know what the worst type of bok supporters is, its the same as the worst type of old nationalist, the one who runs with the wolves and hunts with the hounds – having a go at PdV is the easy target, and most of you fall into that category. Smit has had his time, it is simply completely unfair that he is starting over Bismarck.
That’s alright and I know you’re no basher.
But I want to ask you, can you at least see the merit of the decision of starting JS, and it’s been working so far so why should they change it?
By merit i mean – Div has decided that John is captain, he’ll run on and keep a calm head in the opening exchanges. The game will be tight so this will suit him. JS is also no impact player therefor there’s no use in sending him on at minute 50.
Add to that you’ll gain max impact out of Biz from minute 50 when defences have tired, also even if Biz started he won’t have the same impact from the beginning as the opposition will be more alert and fired up and contain him better than they would’ve after after 50.
Can you at least see into Div’s decision when you look at it that way?
@cab(cab)-230: Morning Cabbie,
One thing I have huge, huge respect for Peter is his loyalty. Never seen anything like that ever. For me that shows top class quality in a person. He has my respect.
His only mistake in this world cup was playing his key players against Samoa. Should have rested them. Our reserves would have done the job. We might not have had as many injuries and still had our play maker in Fransie. Easy said now but he should have.
We must all just get behind Peter and his Boks.
I have also learned over the years to enjoy his way of saying things. Damn funny. At first never did. But he has grown on many of us to really enjoy him.
Whether he is the best coach or not, he has my respect and support.
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-238:
Samsung is no cheaper than an iPhone or iPad equivalent. Besides, without Apple, they wouldn’t even know those markets existed.
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-239:
Stop acting like a girl, harden the fark up !!!
He may not be the greatest Coach/Selector that ever lived.
there is something refreshingly honest and different about him.
Few if any other WC Coaches, bare their soul, the way he does.
The biggest racists in the world are the
the list goes on and on
I’m presuming you’re not really meaning I’m having a go at Div when you said ‘most of you fall in that category.’?
Just to be clear I’ve been backing him all the way during the WC as his decisions have proven correct just as I criticised him last year when his lack of development of players got shown up, his decision of fattening up JS failed and his choice of not resting his key players on the end of year tour 2009 came back to haunt us.
Div obviously doesn’t share you view that JS is done, in fact he’s put his faith in him to do the job as i’ve described above and he’s backed John do come at this very moment since the start of the TriNations.
I agree. i never said he was dishonest, he is honest thats for sure
Pity he is such a idiot and a useless coach
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-249:
thats also fine, he is right more often than not, and he also has a sense of fairness that completely bypasses most u morons.
you on the other hand been whinging about de villiers since his inception and all of a sudden u taken the patriotic highround – what a laugh.
its like the old SA ne, if you dont support then you a traitor, well guess what i’m proud to a traitor, i’ll stand by my own principles when i consider something to be unfair unlike most wafting fanny-arsed compliant sheep.
and the truth of the matter is, i dont give a fk about the springbok never have, but i still hope above hope that south africa does well.
i think you’re stretching the truth just a little on both of those statements.
rotten, rotten, weather in Wellington this week. Wet wet wet, and windy windy windy. The sneakinesses won’t like that at all, that’s for real! This weather and the soft ground is perfect for Bokke rugby, and a disaster for the Aussies.
Wallabies going home on Sunday, taking their sneaky, tricksey, precious covetting ways with them!!
@cane(cane)-247: YouKnowWho was (erroneously) informed that he and his ilk could rewrite history in our new rainbow nation. So forgive him, but he is on a mission to change a few things. His big project this year has been to change the definition of Nazi from “rightwing socialists who advocate Aryan supremacy” to “nasty people who poke fun at fat coloured expats”. He’s been struggling for traction on this, but is one determined little beaver.
why do you say he is acting like a girl?
@Gunther(gunther)-250: The spanish had a civil war remember.. The country is still divided like in SA.. Lots of nazis around. You should wear you swastika when you visit Madrid next time.. you could get a free meal. I reckon you should tan up if you going to visit Barcelona though.. Hide the tattoo
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-253: I think also with John starting we can weigh it up and see the situation. If we start to fall behind then we just bring on Bissie. Even if it means in the first half. If we are still close on the score board then we bring on Bissie in the 2nd half. Not after 50min. I would bring him on for the full last 40min or 35min. When the otherside will be feeling tired in their legs.
Just have to see how the game is going. If we need Bissie sooner like I said, we just bring him on.
John is a powerful scrummager he will tire them up for Bissie to just run havoc over them. I wish we had Beast though on the bench too.
“His only mistake in this world cup was playing his key players against Samoa. Should have rested them…..”
Then us Antipideans would have accused SA of taking a dive to avoid the TOUGH side of the draw.
What you mean harden the f@rk up?
Does name calling on a blog make you a tough guy?
Would insulting somebody face to face unjustifiably make you a tough guy?
Wouldn’t you say the same thing about PdV though?
@cane(cane)-257: Well said Cane. Nice post.
I feel sorry for the Bok supporters
We never get our strongest team out there
Quotas and dumb coach/selectors
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-238: don’t be moronic man, ever used an Apple computer to do graphics and render images?
ipod, iphone, ipad and all other gadgets are just trinkets that came later on.
it’s not “worship” as tac would have you believe, it is appreciation.
like if you go and look at the Sistine Chapel and appreciate the genius of michelangelo…or the roof of the sydney opera house or the acropolis in athens, the pyramids in giza…appreciation sonny
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-238:
that’s like dumping on the pharmaceutical companies for inventing medicines because the generic copiers are cheaper…
@ufo(ufo)-236: well point you finger at Heavens Game and his posse
Correct and I even said yesterday the gamble is that we can’t fall to far behind, but on balance it’s a good decision because can anybody honestly put his money on the Aussies going into a 20 point lead at halftime?
It can happen, but highly unlikely.
@cane(cane)-269: No Cane. We would still have won that game. I am talking of 4 players that should have been restested and protected from those thugs. Fransie, Burger, Brussow and JPP should have been rested. We should have put them in cotton wool for the quarter. We had good enough reserves to take the knocks there for the best players to play in this quarter injury free.
We would still have beaten them with our reserves, I have no doubt about it.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-260: Hey thanks for that Fudegmunk referral – realy dope hip hop – I love the more abstract jazzy stuff and he´s a head of note.
Dj Krush is obviously more extreme but nice to hear some intelligent stuff.
langers when was the l;ast time you went to Madrid or Barcelona?
(watching the travel channel doesn’t count).
How many seats to easyjet charge you for?
or did they mistake you for a suitcase and put you in the hold?
@Puma(Puma)-278: sorry mistake there. Not sure how that came about……hahaha
restested = rested
@cab(cab)-262: jeez Cab, are you on medication?
You aren’t making any sense. Completely overblown response talking about the “old SA” and such things. Jeez.
It’s ok, you have laid the perfect foundation – you will be well within your rights to give us a big “I told you so” if the Bokke lose.
@cane(cane)-247: Did you go around to Keo’s hotel to suck saffa d ick or did you just try to blend in with twats.. I take you only sing the english part of the national anthem
You should be writing PdV Press statements.
I for one, am not calling you a traitor cab. When you disagree with something you’re willing to debate it without having a rant.
It’s supporters that criticize in a disrespectful and personal manner that gets to me.
I’ve been missing the wall to wall rugby from the pool weeks, slight withdrawal symptoms! It’s been perked up by the bok and aussie supporters in town however, and I think it will be a good night tomorrow with all the bars full of supporters. That is if they aren’t hiding in their hotels due to the awful weather!
it is a real shame these two teams have to play each other so early in the comp.
@ufo(ufo)-242: no problem mate….
we play golf regularly at Leopard Creek and i have never seen someone more competitive than he is on a golf course…
we once played him and Rupert on the 18′th for R3500 for that hole only….. (that’s all the cash we had on us .. even though the course is cash-less…)
eish… luckily we won with a PAR!
Would rather have a guy who gets over the advantage line at will-ball carrying,is destructive at collision points-his cleaning is superb,makes his tackles especially of the premier ball carriers who opposition use to get over advantage to drive momentum-Alberts with his superior bulk/power/technique hit them behind advantage while Spies just rides tackle.Would much rather have a player who counter rucks with accuracy and power which Alberts does.
Alberts is a bigger,stronger more powerful player vitally intergral especially to dominating collision which Boks have been talking about all week AND knockouts place premium at collision point.Spies isnt as adapt at those points.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-277: It could happen, but we won’t let it happen. If we start to fall behind we just bring on Bissie and whoever we feel we should have on at the time.
No prob, I was having an eargasm on my way home yesterday bumping Gramatik’s Street Bangers Vol. 1 8)
Will be looking out for the other Volumes today
My 2 cents worth – Bismarck should be starting but if Smit can hold his own for the first half then I think Bismarck will be unleashed just after half time and man he´s going to be like a bull in a china shop. If we can pressurise the ozzies till then theyre going to struggle come subs time.
CJ instead of Beast – I know its for the tighthead aspect but Beast is far more dynamic. Again glad F Louw is there as insurance for Heinrich and if Heinrich is struggling it might be wise to put Burger at 8 and have both F Louw and Brussouw attacking the ball in tandem – Doubt very much if Pocock could handle that. Then bring Alberts on in the last 20. We have loads of loose forward fire power in this pack, ideally you would want to play Bismarck, Rossouw, Alberts, F Louw, Brussouw and Schalk at the same time with Jannie and Gurthro making up the numbers. The ozzies wont stand a chance in the loose with that configuration.
Lets just hope Jean catches a effing wake up and starts passing the ball.
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-282:
overblown my arse, u come on making such accusations and u one of the biggest hypocrites of a lot, you been tearing down de villiers since the year dot and now all of a sudden we must get behind the team – i remember this time 4 years ago before the RWC there werent many behind the team, and i doubt u were one of them either. maybe its time for a little forensic searching to highlight some of your little patriotic gems in the past.
Ye Spies is the only selection which I’m not entirely comfortable with.
There’s nothing wrong with his ball carrying when there’s a bit of space, but the thing is there won’t be much on offer in this match early on that’s why he could’ve been better from the bench as you suggested. Also his defensive is soft.
Let’s hope he fronts as Keo and his gang always say.
@corporal punishment(corporal punishment)-264:
weather man predicts clear skies for sunday
i too don’t see him as an idiot at all but just feel that he is not competent as a coach or tactical/intellectual reader of the game (if you will). he is however an outstanding ‘man’ manager with a great charismatic ability to get the players he coaches in the right frames of mind imo.
he is in fact very similar to ian mcgeechan in this regard.
i think we should just agree to feel differently on apple and jobs then, i guess.
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-263:
absolutely not… name one thing samsung has EVER innovated… except taking copying and plagiarism to new levels… and selling items a few bucks cheaper but at a much higher margin because they never do any r-and-d…
yip bud… macs are so far ahead of pcs its scary… macs are the standard in design the world over and have been for decades now…
and BTW… it was apple that invented the drag-and-drop visual interface… then Bill Gates copied it and called it windows and gave it away free to everyone and made himself the richest man in the world for copying a true innovator…
but kudos to bill for his marketing nous…
Whatever I say to anybody on here i will be more than happy to say face to face, geez you also need to harden the fark up you way to sensitive, since when did saying harden the fark up (the most used cliche on Keo) become the crime of the century.
Here’s an idea, scroll by !!
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-290: Yeah man was listening to it myself yesterday and its such a quality album – 2 and 3 are just as good. Also look out for the Water 4 the Soul ep (8 tracks more like an album). Are you familiar with Nightmares on Wax?
Correct, but what would you feel we should do if say John is having a really good game and our scrum is dominant?
Also highly unlikely LOL, but do you think the coaches should then leave JS on the field or still bring on Biz even if we’re in a good position on the scoreboard?
well ive tried to keep it as civil as possible, Smit is a great springbok, but it is completely unfair that he is starting over Bismarck, and there are ppl on this here forum that cannot even tolerate that viewpoint despite them being some of the biggest naysayers in christendom – as much as i want this team to do well i simply cannot listen to kak.
But Katman is quite correct, he’s criticisms i will take on board, since he is one of the few that are not complete bladdy hypocrties on here.
cool bud… !!
Anyone who is happy with Smitty the Fatty starting needs councelling
PDV needs time in a mental institution
I’m making a note of it right away
Haven’t heard of them/him, is it a group/rappers/producers?
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-295:
of course bud…
not saying you should have a warm-n-fuzzy about him… but to deny his track record is like saying john smit is useless… hehehe…
@Gunther(gunther)-280: I am not sure how you arrived at your assumptions about my shape.. but I will rather accept the adulations of good looking females than the assumptions of a wannabe nazi who cannot understand why black dudes get so lucky with hot white chics.
Jobs actually got the idea for drag and drop from the Xerox PARC labs, although anyone whoever saw the Xerox Star, which had it, would realise that there’s a world of difference between it and the Apple Lisa, which was Apples first GUI attempt.
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-291: Good thinking there ST. That would be a insane loose trio. NO team would live with those 3. Heck doubt Pocock will see anything…lol. You are totally spot on there. If Brussow is playing with a niggle move Burger to 8, Flo to 7 with Brussow. Brilliant. Also say bring on Bissie for the 2nd half. Man we gonna mess them up. If we have those loosies with Bissie. Just a pity Beast is not on the bench.
Good post ST.
I agree 100%.
Its a tragedy that Smitty is in the Bok 22 team, never mind the starting line up.
In fact its a f-ucking disgrace
They always go so overboard in their opinions.
I mean, James could do fine as a sub. He covers center, he covers 10. He can pass, he can kick. So he’s not Quade Cooper. Does that mean he can’t play on the bench? No. Does it mean it’s a horrible choice to put him there? No.
Of course people can argue he should start in front of Steyn, but this histerics just because James is on the bench is ridiculous.
@Boksarenumber3(Boksarenumber1)-302: Give it up with the insults to Peter. It really is not necessary.
I’ve never seen myself as overly sensitive, just don’t agree that disrespecting others whether online, in public, private, at workplace, on the sports field or wherever is appropriate.
I didn’t ask if you’d insult people face to face as that is easy to do, even kids do it.
But decency sit nie in almal se broek ni.
I was talking about PdV.
Ryan started it and shows a complete lack of understanding about the role of a bench. He seems to think it’s just there for impact players.
i stand corrected… thank you…
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-303: He is an electronic producer for Warp records – but lately his stuff is pretty much like Gramatik – every single album he released has been total quality. Really made his name with Smokers Delight but the later albums are more in this Gramatik style. He also has his own label Wax on records. Its more chilled out but has so many references and nods to great funk and jazz artists – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W98wCG5jyGI&feature=related
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-306: Well, apart from your self confessed likeness to your idol, Hugo Chavez, you just sound fat in your posts. There is a certain resigned smugness that comes with “living large” (think Newman in Seinfeld), and your comments are absolutely marinated in this.
PDV = Moron
@youknowwho(Shaun the Nazi Hunter)-283:
I never went to Keo’s Hotel.
I went to a Campervan Site, to leave a bottle of plonk at Reception for JC and Ryan.
These Guys, (and ALL other Contributors), have given me huge entertainment over the last 5 or 6 years.
To spend 29 seconds in their Company, slightly embarassed, made my day.
Butch will only probably come on if JdV or Morne if they pick up a injury. Doubt they will use him as a impact player.
It’s just that I’ve been in IT since the days of the Apple II and was heavily involved with Apple, so I have a bit more experience than most regarding the company and its history.
I hear you man, Div’s made his decision so now it’s up to JS to back this faith in him up.
If he doesn’t than he’s let himself and his team down and that’s something he’ll have to deal with.
well said puma bud…
the only slightly amusing thing about his/her posts is the fact he/she doesn’t realise most people simply ignore his/her juvenile utterances…
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-238:
Is you name John Scully. Read below.
And the only Apple product I own is an ipod. The old one.
That …bakkies I love you oke is a moron.
As for Tac, its his predicitable MO coming out again.
He knows its a bit of a controvesial thing to say so he says it then backs down his little hole and watched the melee from afar. Cowardly if you ask me.
As for Jobs, sorry I have to cut and paste from wiki, I hate doing it but…
Jobs was awarded the National Medal of Technology by President Ronald Reagan in 1984 with Steve Wozniak (among the first people to ever receive the honor), and a Jefferson Award for Public Service in the category “Greatest Public Service by an Individual 35 Years or Under” (also known as the Samuel S. Beard Award) in 1987. On November 27, 2007, Jobs was named the most powerful person in business by Fortune Magazine.
On November 5, 2009, Jobs was named the CEO of the decade by Fortune Magazine. In September 2011, Jobs was ranked No.17 on Forbes: The World’s Most Powerful People. In December 2010, the Financial Times named Jobs its person of the year for 2010, ending its essay by stating, “In his autobiography, John Sculley, the former PepsiCo executive who once ran Apple, said this of the ambitions of the man he had pushed out: ‘Apple was supposed to become a wonderful consumer products company. This was a lunatic plan. High-tech could not be designed and sold as a consumer product.’ How wrong can you be”
@cane(cane)-319: Please qualify those initials, caner. Our Shaun is having a speaking-in-tongues episode. He thinks you went to meet ***** at the caravan park.
so where’s the bottle of plonk for all of us plonkas then…??
@>^..^< katman(katman)-325: ***** = J e s u s
@>^..^< katman(katman)-265: I have only been a positive influence on this site … I have managed to get rid of all the blatant twats but I have still got a bit of work to do in respect of twats who hide behind Gunther. I reckon that dealing with Gunther first makes sense so excuse me if I ignore you for a while
i was a cobol programmer back in the day… used punch-cards back then… pcs were toys that mainframe users were waaaay above…
how quickly things changed…!!
I realized that on second look, humble apologies cane !
Correct, I can live with someone disagreeing but then he has to come up with a valid point and not some wet paper bag argument.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-299: Still think we must bring Bissie on. Then probably in the last 30min.
I feel we will bring him on after the break.
@Puma(Puma)-308: Thanks – just hope they consider this and not only think of Francois Louw as a replacement in case Heinrich gets injured. If the tactic is to starve Oz of the ball then that is as mean as it gets. Perhaps the only other thing you could do is put Alberts on in Tandem with Rossouw but theyre never going to sub Matfield. But that would be really insane. I doubt the Ozzies would see any ball. Its all about selection and combinations and i´m glad to see that they have been very open this World Cup as evidenced by Frans Steyn repalcing Jean after just 1 great game, by the willingess to get Houghaard involved and keeping Lambie at 15. Perhaps Rassie is having a bigger influence than we may know? Either way at least we can see the thinking is not static and having Louw on the bench instead of 2 props is evidence of this. They have quite rightly identified Pocock as the danger man. the backs are lethal and theres not much we can do about that except starve them of ball. Only way to do that is dominate set pieces and breakdown. So I´m hoping thats the thinking. We must nullify their backs if we want to win this one. look at the Samoa game – a guy like Tuilagi is only effective if given space and ball – otherwise he was the least of our worries – in fact he harldy figured in the game.
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-328: Close your mouth when you type, Langers. You’re dribbling smileys all over your post.
@cane(cane)-319: You’re a sweet heart Cane.
Then you need to be consistent, just about everybody on here is disrespectful at one time or another. (Again saying harden the fark up, is that being disrespectful??)
I think you are being disrespectful by signaling me out, there are far worse than me, pick on them for goodness sake!!! ?
First and foremost the bench is Insurance.
@cab(cab)-292: please do the “forensic searching” if you must.
Despite that, you alone seem to have taken my initial general challenge very personally… And all you have done since is try to deflect the attention away from yourself by hurling insults at me and making (baseless) allegations. That says a lot.
Do you feel guilty about something? Do you feel bad that you now personally criticise John Smit (with the mob) every day like a broken record?
I say it again: Whatever happened in the previous 4 years, the RWC is the culmination of all of that, the Boks have made it their main goal. It is too late to change anything now, and you and me have no influence whatsoever over team selection or tactics. So why gnash your teeth in dismay? Get behind your team and take the win, or the loss.
But it is the positioning that gets to me… too many people lining themselves up for a big “I told you so” should the Boks fail… no way can they be fully behind the team (when they don’t even support the captain), I bet when the score starts turning against the Boks a part of themselves starts willing on the defeat just so that they can say “I told you so.”
A sort of mini triumph in defeat.
Sick, sounds like DJ Premier on cr@ck LOL !
Will be expanding my playlist by the end of today 8)
@John Galt(John Galt)-324:
even if it came from wiki…
@Puma(Puma)-311: I agree.
It is a big relief that Keo bloggers and journalists are not picking the Bok 22.
And I include myself in that category.
To all bloggers and journalists – please support our Boks, in POSITIVE fashion, whether or not you agree with the team. It is my team, my country, and I will not tolerate negative critique to my beloved Boks that will not do their chances any good.
@Puma(Puma)-320: My reckoning is he´s there as insurance in case Morne gets injured because Lambie hasnt had enough time at 10 for such a high pressure game. You dont want to be relying on him with 60 minutes on the clock – not saying he cant do it but its a huge gamble if Morne picks up and early injury and second in all likeliness he will replace Jean if Jean doesnt pick his game up. Theyve identified Jean as problematic after Steyn illuminated what can happen if the 12 distributes the ball and tries to step. So I think his inclusion was a good one tactically. Obviously youd rather have de Jongh as a sub for 12 but Butch gives that extra insurance for 10.
@ufo(ufo)-323: I know just can’t understand why some always have to resort to insults.
Will ignore him/her from now on…lol.
How you doing UFO? Hope well. How are the nerves for our game on Sunday? Mine are almost gone…….hahaha. Always nervous for a game but now it it knock out time. Really hope we make it through.
your willy is far too tiny for you to be black.
which is why (apart from your startling resemblance to Hugo Chavez) you have to pay for your intimate moments.
silly little toad.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-338: very glad to share the good vibes. I have loads of other recommendations if you like that. Just let me know.
Maybe I should’ve kept to my own rule of not getting into a middle of someone else’s fight as the guy trying to stop it usually ends up with the black eye, or where I’m from the stab wound
I try to keep it civil when in debate with people, how other people interact with each other shouldn’t be my problem you’re right.
One thing that is beyond a shadow of a doubt is that if we lose on Saturday, John Smit’s reputation will be completely ruined, as will the positive memories of what he has achieved to date.
The public will absolutely crucify him, with me carrying a burning torch in the front ranks of the mob.
He has insisted on continuing as captain – in the face of massive public criticism, and for him more than anyone else, it comes down to “judge me on the World Cup”.
We all know Divvy is k*k, and we don’t expect much of him. But John has a much bigger reputation that’s at stake. And personally I think he misjudged the impact this would have on his legacy, or else he was blinded by his own overestimation of his abilties.
For his sake, and ours, let’s hope the Boks can pull it through. But more so for his sake, because this WILL ruin everything for him if we are unsuccesfull.
Cleverest words I’ve read yet on this forum. I do the same thing.
Choose your battles.
Good comments Ryan re: Smit – his inclusion in the start is all the more baffling given his diabolical performance – DIABOLICAL – not to mention irresponsible – against Samoa: on for three minutes, gives away free kick on slow lineout throw and yellow-carded for kicking ball way after conceding a penalty.
The only thing you can say is he can’t play impact and at least Bismarck will come on instead of him, if you see what I mean. As long as it is not too late.
who is *****?
***** = ?
Anyway, I’m out.
BTW Cab, when I typed up my initial post I never really had you in mind.
yes, but not you.
Don’t really know why you seemed to take it personally…
Yeah, I remember how everyone in the ’80s were declaring dead. Anyone who’s been involved in IT realises the massive contribution that Jobs has made, and not just to IT, DTP, music etc. but also to computer animated films with Pixar.
It’s hard to think of anyone who’s had the impact in so many areas of the digital world.
If you have the time you can make a quick list and i’ll add it to my note, usually I just download it throught the day and vibe to it on my way home or early in the morning.
Sorry, that should read “declaring UNIX dead”
@cane(cane)-319: You are easily pleased .. 29 seconds .. Campervan site??
Remember that rugby was designed to destroy the AB’s, the biggest threat to white supremacy. The RWC provides a stage to manufacture a victory for white supremacist. They only need to win one tournament every 4 years to sell their brand.
oh Keo has banned the word j-esus
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-341: Yes was gonna say he is there to cover for JdV not only for injury but if he don’t shape up.
My feeling if Lambie had to slot into 10 it would be like a duck takes to water. He is even better there than fb. But for now he is playing well at the back and he is a safe player there for us. So has to stay there.
Did you see my post back to yours when you mentioned moving Burger to 8 and Flo to 7 with Brussow at 6. I thought it was a brillant idea that. Pocock will never get near our ball……hahaha.
Yet another racist scum
So why were the Boks banned from the first 2 RWCs?
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-338: Check this out – on the Wax on label from Budapest – more r&b hop in a way but such quality – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pun3KZiSSRY
How’s Mt Edgecombe?
I had a longweekend at the dam the previous weekend:-)
That would be the way to go I’d feel, as I can’t see John going full tilt for 80 minutes anyway.
you will confuse him.
langers only has a political interest in rugby.
which is why his @rse and his elbow are interchangeable.
@Puma(Puma)-356: Yeah I replied post 332. I also think Lambie will handle but it could be a bit much too ask – if he has a wobble he could struggle and with place kicking being so important I think its good thinking having Butch as backup.
@Gunther(gunther)-343: Pots and kettles??.. I told you before, dudes get to sell in Stevenage and the almighty remains suitably sized
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-360:
Hey Fern what you think about Smitty the Fatty starting?
To the Bokke, I dont actually give a shart who plays this weekend. Im going to back you and back you all the way. Its not who plays but how you play thats more important.
Dominate the collisions and dont kick good ball away. That is all.
Where do you get all this stuff, what part of the HipHop universe are they from?
Usually when I dig for new material I always end up in a familiar place.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-352: haha – I have a massive list unofrtunately – I´m a complete music freak and across mutliple genres I´m a psytrance dj as well and used to play all the big festivals in Cape Town and around Sa. So i could carry on for days and days with recommendations from Trip hop to dub and drum n bass and all the way to industrial and country. lol I just love good music. Maybe we should connect in another way so we dont hassle all the rugger heads? Cos man have I got a big list of recommendations hehe.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-368: thats more leaning toward lounge and trip hop. as I say mutliple genres. But I always look for similar stuff with the same spirit.
I am 100% behind Our Beloved Leader and the team.
@youknowwho(The Nazi Hunter)-354:
And let me tell you. It is good to easily pleased.
Otherwise you could spend your life miserable, and become a malcontent.
(ring any bells)
@David(David)-351: I would say that his biggest contribution to the world has been Pixar because those guys have just opened up that genre in such a huge way and the moral undercurrent of Pixar movies is so great. I can happily let my 4 year old watch one after another Pixar movie because the intent and the message is so pure and the ideas are so good. Its something that simply cant be quantified.
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-2: Absolutely Tac.
If Lambie was at 10 then definitely we can have JDJ at 12 with Aplon at the back with Hougie on the wing. With JPP on the other wing. BUT if Morne is at 10 then no way can we have JdJ at inside centre mate. Then we have to have Butch to cover at 12.
yeah bud.. i’m with you and have posted ad nauseum about why people need to a) trash one player to demonstrate support of another… and b) have to insult someone who has a different opinion to their’s… everyone’s entitled to their personal foibles… but not necessary to get so personal…
boring i know…
but also really enjoy the good natured banter that can cut close to the bone without drawing blood…!!
Well thanks Puma and you??? Always well… believe attitude is a personal choice to make every day…!!
Yeah… i’m nervous as all hell… can hardly sit still… i really believe we have the players to win it… and do believe starting js is the right move and have been saying from the start of the controversy that i’d always start with smit and then sub him off the park for bissy who could then wreak havoc in a more open game created by the inevitable tired legs as fatigue sets it…
was chatting with ranger before the comp and we both said we think we can win the cup when most people were predicting we wouldn’t get through the pools…
personally i believe experience is THE most vital ingredient for world cup success…
so there will be people who say ‘i told you so’ should we lose on sunday… but i’m comfortable that we’ve got the best team and squad… and think pdvivvies done an excellent job and barring one or two players most of us would do the same thing…
so can’t blame the coaches IMO should we lose… the guys just have to bring it… everything they’ve got… leave their DNA on the field… if they do… i think we’ll win comfortably….
said long ago i believe aussie will win 2015 when their talented kids have more street smarts to go with their sublime skills… but think they’re not there for this wc…
@J.B. Cowper(J.B. Cowper)-348: Baffling after his good performances against the Aussies and All Blacks back in SA? The problem with us Bok supporters is we have helluva short memories.
Destroy the AB’s.
Not sure how you figure that out Shuan.
If that were the case,
NZ would never have been given Home Advantage.
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-350:
Listen carefully, I take it as a personal insult that you might believe that I don’t support the Boks and that I somehow want them to lose so I can say to okes like you I told you so. Up yours man.
I have been a passionate Bok supporter since 1976; I have followed them around the country and spent thousands and thousands of rands in test tickets, air fares and memorabilia supporting them over the years.
I don’t need the likes of you (sharks first Boks second type) telling me what I am thinking or how I should support the team. I will criticize selections if I think they are detrimental to the Boks cause.
So don’t come on here and try and label me a non bok supporter just because I don’t agree with Smit starting , screw you man, who do you think you are !!
@David(David)-358: The racism was too blatant but even then just about every country including NZ welcomed tours to and from SA..
Have you heard the story of Jesse Owens and how FDR refused to be seen with a black american hero. Even though the twats found a racist tag to be political suicide they could not stop themselves from being twats when they assumed nobody was looking.. Gunther is a lot like FDR.. His dad supposedly fought the Nazis but he gets pissed off with black achievement
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-363: Jeez you know I hardly refresh the page. Just straight after submitting then just look to the above post and answer something there…….hahahaha. I miss many posts back to me.. So missed your answer back. Will check..lol.
@cane(cane)-377: SA managed to be gifted a RWC freshly out of isolation.. How long did NZ have to wait
Definitely man, I love to cut a few samples and lay a few drum patters down but ye when we connect I can give you more detail on that.
You remind me of a guy from varsity, we did sound engineering together at city varsity 06/07. He was a big crate digger and part time drumnbass trip hop DJ, used to play sometimes and Longstreet at orchard at the time. Sometimes I’d go with him when he’d go looking for old records Malibu, back then I wasn’t really that deep into sampling though.
That assumes that Butch is an effective defender, as opposed to just a flashy one-big-hit-two missed-tackles pretend defender.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-383: for sure – I probably dont know him cos I´m more form than 96 school hehe. drop me a mail at firstname.lastname@example.org
@ufo(ufo)-375: Good post ufo as always.
I am just nervous as heck. I too think we doing the right thing by starting with Smit. Have always said it and will stick by that. Bissie will cause havoc with tired legs. We can weigh up the situation in front of us. If we need to bring him in earlier we do so, if not then bring him on for the 2nd half or last 35min. Wish Beast was there. He is not so have to forget about it.
My support is behind the Boks all the way. Just really want us to make it to the semi at least. Want to see us playing ABs in a world cup again, especially on their soil. Would love the Boks to beat them in a wc on home soil that would be the ultimate for me. Then of course the cup….
Pity Fransie is out. I feel it is a massive loss. But JdV has everything to play for now. He has to step it up.
@Puma(Puma)-386: Well said
Got to go.. chat later
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-384: For now we have JdV there. So hope he steps it up. Fransie set a bench mark there. With Morne we will always need a big strong 12 Tac. With Lambie we can have JdJ with Aplon at the back. That will be the future. For now Morne is there and he will play there until the end of this wc. So hope JdV has a blinder there. If not they will bring on Butch.
@youknowwho(The Nazi Hunter)-382:
We didn’t wait long at all Shaun.
We won the first one in 87.
Oz won the 2nd.
Your lot poisoned us at the 3rd.
And we have had a bit of bad luck ever since.
@Michael(mikeybrass)-387: Thanks buddy.
Dropped you some mail now, quickly as a DJ from SA i presume, do you yourself do Chop & Skrew mixes or do you know of anybody in SA that does?
I link with this guy from the States, think I can put his stage name here, DJ Chance Jones, you can hear his stuff if you look him up on reverbnation.
Usually I send my mixes to him if i need some chops & skrews
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-332: Good post again ST. Agree.
Okay I am off to lunch. Cheers all.
Catch up later.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-392: No have no idea what a Chop and skrew mix is lol.
You did say you’re from the real old skool
It’s a technique that was born in the South.
You’ve probably heard it before, basically they drop the tempo of a track and at the same time you know the pitch will drop so everything sounds heavy. This is on the entire final mix, with instruments and vocals.
After that they add their cuts and scratches with sick stretches at parts where you get the vocal along and things like that, guys like T.I sometimes release an entire Chop&Skrew version of their original albums.
To assume that JS will damage his reputation beyond repair should the Boks lose on Sunday is rather prejudicial and let me illustrate. This WOrld Cup has the potential to go from being the “best ever” to one of the worst for every Kiwi supporter should England end up playing Australia in the final and Oz win. Does that necessarily make it the worst – NO however because of their own prejudices (:lol:) they may perceive it as such. The same argument goes for JS. Its only those with huge prejudices towards him that will consider his career/memory as a player being utterly destroyed should we lose. In their eyes he probably never had a career worth mentioning till now in any case.
yes david… you’re absolutely correct…
@Puma(Puma)-389: is it your estimation that butch is a better defender than jdj?
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-396: no hadnt heard of it hehe that sounds really dope. Will check out that dj´s page on Reverbnation.
@Transformation(Transformation)-399: no what he was saying and that I agree with is they have Butch on the bench instead of de Jongh due to the fact he can cover 12 and 10. 10 in case Morne gets injured and 12 in case Jean clogs up the system.
hurry back soon my little round brown bunny.
WentaWabbit closes at five and I don’t want to lose my deposit.
Definitely worth it, the reason why I asked if you know of anybody that’s been doing it is because we’re trying to bring it this side, we have some ideas but there’s still a long way to go with that one.
I’ll be on my way, time to get some real work done for a change
Have a good one.
yeah bud… well said too…
i would love to beat the ABs on home-soil… and i really believe we can… even before dan got crocked… i think if we play to our full potential and they play to their full potential… we WILL win…
i think IF we play to our full potential EVERY time we will win every time and rule the rugby world as the ABs do at the moment…
it’s just so frustrating that we don’t deliver the goods as consistently as they do… so for that i really admire and respect the ABs (among other things too of course cause they are a great team)
So, from COBOL programmer to what now? I remember that from being relatively forgotten, COBOL programmers suddenly became in desperate demand during the Y2K panic as companies needed to upgrade legacy systems. Some friends of mine were charging exhorbitant rates when they realised how desperate companies had become for their skills.
@Gunther(gunther)-402: Pity Kitchener isn’t here to provide the side entertainment for the day
yeah… cobol programmers shone for a little while again for Y2K but then faded like a spark in damp kindling in a bear grills episode…
in the publishing biz now and have been for 25 or so years…
everyone out to lunch… !!
in more ways than one…
Peter Davies…..Filthy Filthy Mampara
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-409: what do you think his defence will be? hehehe
Hahahaha fckin hell sbali!! Angazi.,ugcolile leyanja!!!!
Ongamla bayanya,iyaphuma iNonsense
Apparently he was showing the lad his abstract interpretative version of the haka.
Vrede – really its about roles and styles – Bissie is far more effective in these scenario’s as an impact player.
We saw it last week against the Samoan’s. Smit would have ground out nicely for 55 minutes or so and then Bissie would have come on and had tired legs up against him and made for more of an impact.
Did we even score a point in the second half against Samoa, no!
Get over this Snor bashing. Come on now! Do you really believe what you are saying?
The fact that PdV sounds funny is because he is interviewd using his second language.
He sure ain no Dingo!
Get over this tired prejudiced thinking that PdV is a joke.
whats the lastest on Brussouw? is he injured? how serious? we simply can’t afford to lose him, imo
So well said you save me posing at nausism these days.
I’m so tired of argueing for Smittie.
He’s a ****** hero for SA rugby. Show the guy some respect. He’s still a good test player in tight conditions, maybe not CC or s15 where the younger loser players look impressive.
Bissie is better right now but i think they compliment each other wonderfully as Smit starts, Bissie ends. Makes Bissie look great when he is againts tired legs as well.
Bissie will have his chance to have 80 minutes next year all year and teh year after
@Mike H(Mike H)-413:
well said bud… and great point about the second half score…!
South Africa vs Australia
In reality it is a 51-49 call to Australia but as a South African i hope we can pull something off.
Australia is the antidote to the South African way of playing rugby. They are smart athletes. i expect the Springboks win though.
Bryan Habana and JP Pietersen or Jacque Fourie should score. We have enough strike runners who have hit form at the right time.
The game will be close and the winning score will be 21 – 16 to the Boks
England vs France
France can deliver their usual unpredictable rugby magic but England tends to do very well in world cups.
England will have to deal with a resurgent French side which will have Vincent Clerc threatening the English tryline.
I expect Wilkinson to recover and England to to win 22 – 18
Argentina vs New Zealand
New Zealand will win by 25 points
35 – 10
Wales vs Ireland
Another 50-50 call
I think Ireland’s experience and hunger will be the difference.
They will be miserly in defence.
Ronan O’Gara is the second highest scorer behind Morne Steyn to have made the quarter finals. He too is hitting form at the right time. Sexton has not proved to be much of a difference.
22 – 19
Habana is hitting form at the right time. Am interested in how he see things after he’s scored in two consecutive games rather than the 15 month lean spell he had.
It is amazing that he is viewed as the least important bok on this website. I cannot get it.
Even Torres and Kaka are returning to form after a 18 – 24 month lean spells respectively.
@Bod(bod)-415: Apparently he flashed his tackle at a minor. Now Supersport have dumped him.
a supersport presenter stands accused of flashing his willy winkie at a young lad at a virgin active.
thank god you are in spain.
you are in spain?
anyway I have always said these gymnasiums are a hotbed of sausage smuggling, veruca laden depravity.
decent chaps get their exercise in the great outdoors.
@Gunther(gunther)-421: As Kenny Powers said: “I play a real sport. I don’t try to be the best at exercise.”
Smit would have started Boks would have lost to Samoa, you g’dam lucky he didn’t start last week because right now you would definitely not be sitting there so smug pretending its the right call. Smit would have started against Samoa we would have LOST the game, same way as if he had not been YANKED off the field in the g’dam nick of time we would have LOST.. ABSOLUTE GUARANTEED without even a remote sliver of doubt.
Had Smit not been YANKED vs Wales and had he started vs Samoa Boks would be OUT this WC already of that you can be 100% assured.
Now you better pray like hell that somebody got ENOUGH sense to YANK him again early enough before he does ANY further collateral damage to the Boks chances as he ALMOST did in BOTH games vs Wales and Samoa. He better get yanked quick and timeously vs Aussie before he fcks it All up again, like he does EVERY SINGLE TIME he EVER leads Boks onto the park..
Dumb schmucks have already lost count how many LOSSES this palooka got under his belt and they ready to go on and swallow SOME MORE…
Never trust anyone that looks like a Do Gooder….
@Mike H(Mike H)-417:
yeah… john smit has achieved a lot and earned an amazing career in rugby…. i don’t believe in picking for nostalgia’s sake… i really believe he is the right man for the job and playing his role to perfection…
and bissy is playing his to perfection too… albeit reluctantly at the moment
and as you correctly say… bissie will have his time and do very well…
i’d just like to caution everyone before they turn on bissy next year… that they can’t expect him to play at that level all game every game… it’s easier to come off the bench and give it your all for 20 or 30 minutes and than to do so for a full 80 every game…
and knowing how fickle our bok supporters can be… if he doesn’t play out of his skin every minute of every game people will/may turn against him in a flash…
only two guys play at that level game after game IMO… and that’s juan and schalk…
sometimes when you bring the thunder you get lost in the storm.
I think Kenny and Boderick share the same hairdresser.
aaah…… Gunther mi amigo
No viviendo en Espanol…. viviendo en Valencia!
What would you know as to what happens in a gym??
okay.. have the full cast on stage now… Gunther, Katman and Bod…
this is fair warning to all those drinking coffee…
stop it or it could soon be coming out your nose…!!
the three amigos…
I tust he too has a perm then
I read it on the news.
quod erat demonstrandum.
have you been arrested for wearing your cycling shorts in public yet?
what is spanish for muffin top?
I have signed up with ETA…. la policia are too scared of me. You too should be
No se…. Tengo una mujer….
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-411: Madoda sithetha ngoba apha? Kwek, ingamla bayawuthanda amanyala!
I actually Luv Dippy Divvy…
Any Bok coach who smites a dolly on a car bonnet in a dark car park and gets away with it has my vote.
Any Bok coach who says rugby is no game for ballerinas to a whinging bunch of BI Lions has my respect.
Any Bok coach who labels Warthog Januarie a Black Mechanic has my confidence.
Any Bok coach who rips apart the AB Macarena war dance just for fun and exposes the preciousness of Kiwis in general must be okay.
put the weight of expectation upon their gold laméd shoulders…
now they appreciate the performance anxiety of the all blacks…
what is eta?
some sort of terrorist organisation that aims for world domination by consuming all of its edible resources?
how many legs of jamon de jabugo have you kidnapped?
eta and drinka some more I say.
rosita: i was thinking later, you could kiss me on the veranda…?
dusty bottoms: errr… on the lips would be fine…!!
i hope no one reports me to the bloggers protection commission
for internet cruelty
for killing this thread…
Lets face it….
There are no inbetweens here.
Dippy De Villiers will either go down as one of the greatest Bok coaches if he brings back Bill or an unmitigated disaster.
No normal Rugby playing nation on the planet would have appointed him coach of their elite national Rugby team in a million years, but then again Sout Africa is no normal Rugby playing nation.
He has made the strangest decisions and said the most fcked up things…
He is off the wall and probably slightly insane… But then again so was Winston Churchill.
There is something to him… He does have ballas and has been loyal to players…
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-439: what have the french done?
Which Top14 team or international team has Mark Lievremont ever coached before taking over the French National team?
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-439:
And he takes the pressure off his players by handling the media in the way he does.
Smit and his ego, the man has no shame
Nutter or genius…
In New Zealand, inquiries focused on how he planned to pep up his team for the Wellington Test. “I’ll tell them talk is cheap and money buys the whisky,” he smiled through world rugby’s most frightening moustache.
“You win some, you lose some,” De Villiers mused, before moaning about the opposition’s scrum tactics. “We just have to become illegal sometimes, too.”
As for CJ van der Linde being replaced, that was serious. “He was hit in the larynx and that’s why he had to come off. He was sounding like me.”
But it was all okay. “There is a quiet positiveness that we lost it rather than they won it,” he waxed.
De Villiers admitted that Dan Carter had been tackled late, but he defended the game’s robust nature. “I know dancing is also a contact sport, but rugby is far from dancing. If you want to run with the big dogs then sometimes you have to lift your leg.”
Criticism of roughhouse Bok tactics was over the top, he railed: “This kind of thing is as old as Noah, but it’s great how they have now picked up things that have been part of rugby for a hundred years.”
He declared war on the Wallabies and vowed that he would wake up alive on Test morning. On a roll, he explained to the gathered media corps. “What we try to tell them is when you point your finger into the sky, don’t concentrate on the finger because you’ll miss all the heavenly glory out there. Concentrate on the heavenly glory that you can bring and make yourselves so fulfilled.”
People were curious about how the Boks had celebrated the rare away victory over the All Blacks. As ever, De Villiers had the answer. “We went wild, wild, wild — some of the guys went wilder than that.
“South Africans are normally great people and we’ll take the bitter with the sweet. It’s only the guys who don’t feel part of that bitter or that sweet that will always moan and groan and say: ‘Why do they go so wild?’ Join in, we’ve got enough stuff to share with you.”
“I was appointed to make rugby decisions. I promised to be honest and focus on rugby. We never said it was going to be a perfect world. If you look at the Bible, Joseph started out in the pit and ended up in the palace. There was a moerse lot of kak in between.”
“There’s little difference between winning and losing, except that one feels better after winning,” he declared after losing in Durban last week. He later warned that when the Boks finally grasped his methods, someone was going “to get a hiding”.
“The same people who threw their robes on the ground when ***** rode on a donkey were the same people who crowned him and hit him with sticks and stuff like that, and were the same people who said afterwards how we shouldn’t have done that, he’s the son of God,” de Villiers said. “So that’s exactly what we do. You have to look at history is repeating itself, and I’m not saying that I’m God.”
“If I listened to 43 million opinions, I believe I would be lost. I’m not concerned about Ricky’s form. Look, if you go to a black mechanic and he doesn’t fix your car, you don’t go back. If you go to a white mechanic and he doesn’t fix your car, you go back and make sure he fixes the problem. What I am saying is give Ricky a chance.’’
When asked whether he encouraged eye-gouging. “If we want to eye gouge lions, we’ll go down to the bushveld and eye gouge them there, then see if they can haul us in.”
Still on Burger’s eye-gouging incident. “If you are going to complain about every incident we might as well go to a ballet shop and all get tutus.”
On his coaching prowess. “If I’m the weakest link then we are bloody strong. I’m a God-given talent. I am the best I can be. I know what I am and I don’t give a damn.”
IBM contracted out its UNIX Div in 2005 to a clutch of new companies, I know 3 guys who moved out ibm then to join these new companies as consultants/specialist
They are all doing so well, can’t even retire because the new commers have no clue, no capabilities no intelect nor aptitude to work and support this system which is vital to banking, defence, science and commerce, let alone engineering!
@Transformation(Transformation)-440: Lievremont is an unmitigated disaster… That is why he has been fired by the French.
They acknowledge that he is a mistake of monumental proportions. From the administrators to the players… From the media to the public…
@willievz(willievz)-441: Handling the media in a unique way that is obviously planned…
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-443: now do a similar retrospective quote selection on marc lievremont. go ahead
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-446: Yeah, obviously…
R.I.P. Steve Jobs. A true genius.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-445: six nations winner and now an unmitigated disaster, since when?
Yeah, but that was the common wisdom in the mid eighties. I had a lot of arguments about it. Now, the web is basically driven by some flavour or other of UNIX, the MacOS is Unix and Open Source is becoming more and more attractive to governments world wide.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-445: he had a four year contract, he is seeing it out, what do you mean he has been “fired”?
@Transformation(Transformation)-447: I dont know why you might use France as a benchmark for Bok rugby… Is it because you think France are better than the Boks, that Lievremont is the benchmark for Dippy?
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-449:
Yes, we were talking about it earlier, although Tacitus begged to differ.
@willievz(willievz)-448: Madness… But method…? I dunno. “By their fruits we judge them….”
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-445: this is what you said “No normal Rugby playing nation on the planet would have appointed him coach of their elite national Rugby team in a million years, but then again South Africa is no normal Rugby playing nation.”
yet france have had a coach who only had French 2nd division & U21 honours, won the 6 Nations with him, bliksemed both the Bokke and All Blacks in 2009 and now is making unprecedented media gaffes on New Zealand.
is france an ABnormal rugby playinng nation?
Ditto Martin Johnson
As a coach P Divvy seems to have brought nothing new to the Bks other than a “steady as she goes, carry on Bossboy” approach. But I love the colour he brings to the role. I can’t think of any other country that would have a coach as whacky as he is constantly. There is never anything boring about being a South African. Long may it be so.
The Boks now have a good chance to advance, but the forwards will have to play some rugby for a change, the rain and wind will reduce Morne Styen’s effective range to a diagonal 35m so the skirmishes will have to take place within the Wallabies’ own 40m
Fran Styen and Bakkie are colossal losses, with JdV back at 12 the ball will not travel far wide; some consider it a blessing, better than waste good ball on the wings.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-453: i’m not “benchmarking” anything. who qualifies to be a “normal rugby playing nation” and who doesn’t according to YOU hg?
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-458: You would rather have an idiot than a coach. And ,at that, an arrogant, stupid and useless one at that who sniffs the jocks of his Captain?
@Transformation(Transformation)-452: I mean the French acknowledge he is an unmitigated disaster… from players to media to administrators to rugby public… But as long as you think Lievremont is a lowest common denominator… Go ahead… ” If you look at the Bible, Joseph started out in the pit and ended up in the palace.”
These are by far the most disciplined boks.
The coach should be credited for that at the very least.
No dwarfs. No ball fixing. No twitts. No flankwers winging it. No player revolts. No booze binges or alcoholism.
Just sensible press conferences. Even the Haka comment generated a healthy debate around the world.
Only the Irish and the Welsh have been as quiet.
Only snag is hanging on to Bakkies for three weeks.
found this video of Skop and dawn today…
@ David. Of course. Jobs was not from Pretoria.
Transie in full Deborah Patta mode.
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-458: i read somewhere that “for advances in innovation a change in belief is often necessary”
and someone earlier quoted how apple was supposed to be a tech company and how ‘gadgets’ couldn’t be sold as commodities…someone had to believe ot could be done.
same thing with the boks in 2008, pdv believed he could have the Boks playing differently but was met with blatant disbelief in his thinking and because of whatever reason/s – s_ex tapes etc – he toed the line and played kick n chase/structure (our supposed traditional strengths)
@Transformation(Transformation)-456: I doubt France would have appointed De Villiers despite his surname…. For a start he never played international rugby and he never had a coaching record of note… Lievremont was a France International. Laporte was a coach of note before coaching France… Just two examples…
Spin it right round baby, right round….
@trupisero(trupisero)-464: what’s that all about then? only word I understood was the f-word
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-462: is that what they were saying in 2009?
@Transformation(Transformation)-467: Excuses, excuses… But we all Luv Dippy… for the mean time anyway.
@461. Goodthing. Way to completely misread a post. The juvenile response did you no credit either.
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-465:
actually he was adopted (steve not tacitus).
so he could well have been.
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-469: think Skop’s advances were rejected
@Transformation(Transformation)-470: I dont know why you are benchmarking Dippy with the worst coach at the Rugby World Cup. Why?
Who the hell do you think you are by insulting our Bok coach in such a way?
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-468: Jake White wasn’t an international and had no coaching record of note – in fact it would be fair to say they were equally qualified, what makes his appointment different from PdV’s in your mind?
would it be fair to say that “no normal rugby playing nation” would appoint Jake White, not in a million years?
he won in 2007 but only go the next coaching job from a franchise in 2010…
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-471: no excuses just putting my opinion put there.
@Transformation(Transformation)-476: I agree. The useless *******. An average win/loss ratio and lucky World Cup Victory… The swine…
@Transformation(Transformation)-477: I object to you placing Dippy in the same company as an abject failure such as Lievremont… You have no farken shame
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-468: so being an international player is the desired qualification to being a good coach? hehehe woza la mhlathi wakho
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-469:
I think she was a teeny bit cross!!
@Transformation(Transformation)-476: An i was referring to France not SA… I think you might be confusing the two nations now, “sbali”… You may need to go back to the drawing board… the cutting room floor…
I hope you gave Dawn some music suggestions…othwerwise I may just have to put her out of her misery!
Lievermonte is a Pdiv wannabe
@Transformation(Transformation)-480: I dont say it is right, but it does seem to be the way the French do things. And England… and most Nations at the RWC: Their coach is either a former International or they were an excellent coach with Club or Province… In general.
In the last 4 weeks has anyone here recognised that actually…
Percy Montgomery won the last Webb Ellis for you and without him basically the Boks are a bit of a tight spot!
Bit below the belt – you must be getting rattled
I doubt it. His birth father was Syrian.
Four years of abuse and banter all coming to a head on Sunday, good stuff.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-482: tl tl tl deflections , smoke screens etc
Nah, Percy was just there to get the English women to support the Boks.
@carol(carol)-483: send her your playlist, mine needs editing.
And then it’ll start all over again.
Now that is one serious quote – imagine a white guy said that
@David(David)-492: touche and h succeded
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-439:
thanks for dusting those beauties off.
and to pieter de villiers i would like to say, thanks for the memories…
@Transformation(Transformation)-491: See post 486. Keep up… And btw another difference is that Lievremont or any National coach for any other team at the RWC would have a melanin quotient as a factor in his selection… Right or wrong, but definitely unique….
But we all love Dippy… He will part the seas and lead us to the promised land… the land of milk and honey… A Godgiven gift of biblical proportions… He says so himself
there are plenty of kebab shops in pretoria.
Cunning plan, it worked I know at least 3 other Percy ‘addicts’ !!
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-497: Slightly insane… but then so were great leaders… like Churchill, Mao, Stalin…
He may have his faults, but definitely unique
The French won it for the Boks actually in RWC ’07
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-498: Should be “RWC would not have”…
Probably the day after the WC final around here.
Hi ho, back to work I go…
They hadn’t anyone to swoon over since Guscott retired.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-439: And thats why he will win it with this team. He has remained loyal to his team, made a few faux pas but never ran with his tail between his legs. Everyone knows the relationship he has with the players and talk of “fat boys club” running the show etc but those players have also repaid his loyalty and never once in the last 2,5 years has there been any talk of a revolution etc. If he was that s..t the players would have been trying to get him replaced long ago. For those who would say yeah but the fat boys club are only protecting themselves well then what about the governance structure above PDV, surely if he (and the FBC) was that bad his boss or the gov’t would have stepped in and fired him.
The next question would then be yeah but what happens after the RWC. Well we have a full front row still available for the next RWC, a good lock pairing Bekker and VD Merwe , a great LF trio in Brussouw,Alberts,Elstadt. Looking at the back line there is Hougie, Steyn/Lambie/Jantjes/De Jong/Sadie/Mvovo/Taute etc. So how bad has it really been under PDV taking into account all these things?
First we’ll both have to weather the distress of our top players being signed up by the European clubs, then it’ll be back to the usual “ours is bigger than yours”, discourse.
Butchie i hope you get some game time on Saturday champ…you’ve had plenty of time preparing that book, i expect some good stories in it.
This tournament is just not the same without Monty..
The vital spark has just gone!
Will Carling was the last ‘looker’!!
@carol(carol)-510: you mean Lambies not much to perve at?
337 wooden spoon
I don’t feel guilty about criticising dmit in the slightest, that is you who thinks I should feel that way. I was more than willing to give him every benefit of the doubt but it is now completely clear who the best player is. Smit is not rubbish but he is not Bismarck – what can you not understand? The springboks should be about selecting your best players, this is the only fair criteria. Now who is best is often a fine personal judgement and if smit was competing with any other hooker in sa I’d say take smit with the experience – but smit is not even in bismarks league when it comes to offering what the Boks need on the park – Bismarck has become a monster – there is daylight between him and everyone else – and yet his time on the world stage at his very peak will come and go and everyone must accept that as fair? It’s a disgrace that is what it is.
How so ?
I have just watched your T.V clip, have you run out of shirts?
You look half dressed!
Yip I think most around here are a bit over all that, i’ll be taking a KEO holiday win lose or draw this time around.
@cab(cab)-513: Well then the blame must lie with Mo.hammed Dippy Ali… It seems our Great Leader might have made a glaring error that is a blight on his God Given talent as Coach.
Fingers pointed to the Heavens…
@carol(carol)-516: Don’t fall for his come-to-tent eyes.
one way or another there will be a fair amount of wailing and grinding of teeth.
@David(David)-506: hehe gues tindall ain’t no hearthrob let alone jonno
He’s just showing off his tan.
How dare Dippy depend on Barney…?
Can Dippy not stand on his own two feet and select Bismarck to start?
Or maybe the crafty Jakkals who points at the heavens and smites in the car park must have a devious plan…
Oh ye of little faith: ” If you look at the Bible, Joseph started out in the pit and ended up in the palace. There was a moerse lot of kak in between.”
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-523: LOL now that is how scripture should be presented
@Transformation(Transformation)-521: Mark Cueto is nice, and Richard Kahui is very nice.
@AVID FAN(AVID FAN)-509:
Your nic spelled backwards is NAF DIVA.
Obviously not intentional?
Yeah, they’re rather a dour looking lot, I agree, but looks didn’t win at Crecy, Agincourt and Waterloo which the French will be reminded of shortly.
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-507: By hook or by crook, by method or by luck… There is talent in spades available for the Boks. Thats for sure.
@cab(cab)-513: agreed not in Bismarcks league…but he hasnt picked himself as captain and run on 2 on Sunday, he’s doing what he’s told. PDV, Gold & Muir should take all the flack.
gawd no, you have to stop.
Also Vincent Clerc and Aurlien Rouserie (sp?) In fact I think I’m really developing a thing for Rougerie (sp?)
@John Galt(John Galt)-526: Good spot John. Obviously not.
@stew(stew)-524: Sura 4:1 of Mo.hammed Dippy Div Ali… The Very Last Testament
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-525: hey we are talking about the english team!
you fancy the AshSplash i’ve seen you
i dont feel right if women are perving at lambie.
the kid’s got such a baby face, man.
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-535:
That’s what attracts the cougars!
@David(David)-536: you reckon carol is a MILF and a cougar @ the same time?
“Ninety-five per cent of people all around the world are conventional people, they go with the crowd. They only do what other people do. They can’t be their own person,”
“I’ve got a job to do. I think I’m a strong individual, a strong character. I don’t care what people think about me, I don’t care what people say about me. It’s what I think about me and myself – and I love myself a lot.
“It’s about me and my team and my country. If I’m respected in my team, I don’t care about what other people think.”
Sura 9:9 Mo.hammed Dippy Div Ali
I suppose there is no laundry service if you are staying in a tent.
He has obviously run out of clean clothes!!
okes who come on here calling Skop…Justrugby and I traitors and less than patriotic….
here is a message…..
go fark yourselves…..
If being critical of selections and questioning the motives of the fat boy is treason, then farken shoot me at dawn….
Because I tell you right now the oke that is the farken real treasonable p rick is not me but the very same fat boy who is happy to gamble with the boks future in this wc with his personal quest for glory….
It is a damn disgrace that we are doing this to both Bissy and Beast….a farken calamity.
Treason my ar se man….
I am no ones pom pom rah rah girl….
@carol(carol)-511: what? Old bumface?
“The small things like judicial hearing will not take away the fact that we won. Nelson Mandela and FW de Klerk won the Nobel Peace Prize. No matter what they did wrong in their lives, no one can take away the fact that they won it.”
Sura 1:11 Mo.hammed Dippy Div Ali
What did peter davies the SS presenter do wrong, someone said something about the gym?
Hey, I didn’t say that. Stop stirring.
“I won’t change my style, if I change my style I will change Peter de Villiers, and then I would have to tell God that he made a mistake when he made me.”
Sura 6:7 Mo.hammed Dippy Div Ali
“We will give them a psychological advantage and we cannot allow that. We’ve read in the papers here that they believe South Africa are ripe for the picking. They’re comparing us with some fruit from a Welsh fruit farm but they need to know that when you pick fruit, it isn’t just apples and pears; there are prickly pears as well. We want to be a prickly pear for them this Saturday.”
Sura 8:5 Mo.hammed Dippy Div Ali
1 st farken time ever I have seen having a point of view being construed as being unpatriotic…..p ricks!
Anyone watched a game with Justrugby and Skop, and Robzim for that matter, will know where our support lies, in no uncertain terms……
Just because we have a different perspective we are unpatriotic…..
S crew that man!
@grant10(grant10)-540: no, you just a little girl.
“Speaking to IRB referee’s boss Paddy O’ Brien is a complete wast of time…People don’t want to see other teams being successful. That is my biggest problem at the moment. We can’t go public about certain things because we don’t have all the evidence, but the body language of certain officials when things went against us in that game made us worry…. The officials were so happy when decisions went against us on the day. I am talking about the number one rugby team in the world. Shouldn’t they really get the other guys to that level?…. Or do they want to break things down so that the game can become mediocre and everyone has a chance to win it. We don’t want to dwell on that point, but if that is the case, then I feel I am wasting my time by talking to them. I will then have to reconsider talking to them.”
The First Commandment: Mo.hammed Dippy Div Ali
I am neither thank you very much!
That was a hellova a weird chin!!
“The way things are going right now, in a few year’s time these guys won’t need a coach.”
- after the Springboks’ second consecutive win over the All Blacks at Durban in the 2009 Tri-Nations
The Second Commandment: Mo.hammed Dippy Div Ali
CJ was a rational choice to cover 1 and 3, once a 4/3 split was decided. Of course Smit could also have covered all 3 front row positions on the bench.
ja, but why bring dawn into this?
and why would you want us to shoot you at her?
john smit will win the world cup…does that keep you up at night?
@grant10(grant10)-540: Champ, John didnt pick himself as captain, neither did he pick himself at 2 on Sunday.
Be critical of selections yes, but to direct personal vitriol towards a player because he is selected is ridiculous.
I cant believe Braam is the aussie kicking coach – who do SA have ???
If I said ‘England are my team, but I think France will beat them because they are stronger’
You would take that as a MY OPINION.
Why can’t a South African say ‘I think the Aussies are Stronger’?
Does not mean the Saffa wants the Wobblies to win, it is just an opinion.
The opinion will not make a team loose a match for heavens sake!
That’s all good.
But what if just by chance the fatboys do get it right and return with the glory,
Where will you be on that day they return home?
And what will you be feeling?
@AVID FAN(AVID FAN)-557: its just part of the hypocrytical oath G10 took
A gorgeous World Cup Winning Kicker, thats who!!
Now I must do ‘stuff’ !!
percy montgomery you chop!
@grant10(grant10)-540: Dont worry grant only one more game then Smit will be gone
keo’s boys in NZ ran out of clean laundry and personall hygene products 4 days ago.
In fact the health and safety department in Pongaland has banned them from attending any more games which means they will be listening to the radio in the rv for the rest of the tourney.
they have been forced to film their keo tv slots in service station restrooms which has resulted in a caution for ryan and a hefty fine for keo due to an unfortunate misunderstanding with the local constabulary.
unfortunately their per diem has long been spent on pizzas and dwarf lapdancers.
furthermore they have lost their deposit on the campervan after rehaan destroyed the chemical toilet.
the boys are praying for a loss on sunday.
africa never looked so good.
@trupisero(trupisero)-549: ja boet….I will rather say f all to you….
Of course you can say that.
But if you go and say the Boks are k@k!
FATBOYS are k@k!
Div is stupid!
Do you think that’s critical and fair analysis?
@David(David)-555: plod moves to 3 we marched back 10 m like in Durbs and cost us the test ….again.
Biggest con trick ever in SA Rugby….fat boy…bloody disgrace that the planets best 2 has to suck hind t it to the fat boy….simply farken dof!
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-556: j smit will lose us the wc
that keeps me up at nite you wally!
@AVID FAN(AVID FAN)-557: i am no champ….chump
The disturbing thing about fans like a Grant10 is
They absolutely refuse to get into any sort of rugby debate and civil discussion of selections & tactics
Instead they shoot you down the moment you disagree, degrading your opinion and that of the players he doesn’t like
I’d really love to get into rugby talk with a guy like Grant10
But this post will most probably be dismissed in a blink
I think you missed the irony in my post.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-560: i will be happy for boks and as a SA frican….but still hate the fact we were saddled with this con job….
There’s a small sign of rugby analysis.
Obviously the coaches know by now they can’t ever move JS to TH vs rated opposition.
So that’s why CJ has been picked on the bench as he covers TH & LH.
Would you agree that’s the right move?
@grant10(grant10)-548: Even you must admit, grantie, that your patriotism has never been shakier.
Serious questions are being asked about loyalty and commitment to your country.
Prove those detractors wrong. Get behind the team. All 22 of them. Consider this is your patriotism test.
Grant told us he was supporting namibia?
And that he had thrown his bok jersey away?
surely ireland are the next logical choice?
It’s a game Grant, when all’s said and done, it’s still just a game.
@grant10(grant10)-567: good. I hate whiners.
On a more somber note, has anyone heard an update on Malema in hospital? Those man colds can cut you down in your prime.
grant… i doubt that anyone really thinks you and jr are unpatriotic… and, for what it’s worth, i can and will personally vouch for you both…
i think those comments were made in reaction to some previous comments about people who do support js being blind or fools or apologists etc.. people have opinions that may differ from your but if you label those people for those opinions they’re gonna label you for yours…
i’m sure they don’t mean it any more than you mean yours… or do you…?
So you wouldn’t be happy with firstly JS as a south african representing our country and him as a player, what if he has a good game would that change your feeling towards him?
And since PDV picked him, would that change your feeling towards him that he maybe was right and showed guts to back his man?
@grant10(grant10)-571: no you’re just a kid who splurs drivel.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-572: You know he has an issue with Smit so leave him alone – shame
@>^..^< katman(katman)-576: Well said.
@stew(stew)-565: well I hope another couple more than that….
but fark me I will be glad when this poison leaves the system
@>^..^< katman(katman)-576: so bek kort jam
aint that a fact
You are so juvenile.
If Smit came to you for a bond,would you turn him down?
Don’t think so…
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-560: questioning team selections DOES NOT translate to NOT SUPPORTING the team.
PdV chose ricky for YEARS but we heard rick was a “warthog” and kfc references were the order of the day, did that mean people didn’t support the Boks just because the coach preferred ricky?
imagine if the coach was playing Chiliboy instead of Bismarck, all sort of “quota” diatribes would be spewed on here by the same people who conviniently say Smit doesn’t pick himself.
people know PdV has decided to pick Smit, it doesn’t mean they can’t voice their displeasure re that selection!
@grant10(grant10)-586: only poison here is you and ur crew
watch Smit hold the WC aloft and you will no doubt say it was thanks to everyone but Smit
and if we do happen to lose , only person to blame will be Smit
you have serious issues dude, seek help,
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-588:
ja, prove to us you have a player 23 hiding somewhere deep, deep, deeeeep down inside you…dying to get out.
wys vir ons hoeveel van n ‘elton en jan’ is jy nou rerig grant.
is jy die ffokken soul van die spaan?
exactly… sheesh… bok and rugby supporters been doing that since the game was invented…
I sent him a a fruit basket and a copy of the mail & guardian.
But I’ve heard nothing back.
Whenever I phone the hospital just tells me that “the president is resting”.
I don’t think you can have your bread buttered on both sides.
Meaning you can’t say you despise certain players the coach and tactics and call them stupid and fatboys but still say you’ll rejoyce should they prevail.
On the one hand you have the ‘I TOLD YOU SO’ card ready to throw in our faces.
But on the other hand you also have an escape clause to celebrate the victory by admitting to CONDITIONAL SUPPORT for your team.
That’s just not cool.
We can criticise and debate till we turn blue but in the end we’ll have to support the coach and his team fully and should they fail only then can we point to things that went wrong which you thought should’ve been done different.
But until that moment they deserve our support and respect for how they’ve gone so far.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-572: young man…..when okes try and convince me of the merits of the worlds best 2 sitting on the bench in order to rescue boks with a 20 or 30 min cameo ….well i get bored at the insanity of it all….there is nothing to discuss….imo. It is simply bloody russian roulette….wales wshould have been our wake up call….but you boys know better…..so lets hope and pray you okes know the story….because where I come from…..you respect your opponents by giving them your best 15 for as long as they are capable…..not the other way around.
sharks dont try plod and jannie dup against aussie teams….because they want speed and best tacklers….but boks do the opposite?
Arrogance …or gross stupifdity…no matter how you want to slice and dice it…
I see the irrational, emotional, unhappy ones are still merrily positioning themselves for one big “I told you so”…
If not Smit these drama fuelled characters would find some other scapegoat to pin all their frustrations in life on.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-575: cj on bench makes sense…..
An interesting notice on Bloomberg. If the ABs win the RWC their brand will be worth NZ$100 million. I wonder if Johann Rupert would be interested in buying them?
Bakkies is not finished with the Boks so the Fat Boys Club continues
I’ve been saying this the whole time, it’s good to discuss selections and debate the merits of certain decisions being made by the team.
To label players with silly names is not cool, not nick names but degrading names.
But worse is when you come out and say you WON’T support those players you don’t like REGARDLESS of their performance.
That part I don’t get?
@grant10(grant10)-586: Poison, cancer, fat, lard, plod… He doesn’t pick himself. He’s a bloody good rugby player and captain, who you simply feel should not be there. What makes you think any of your descriptions of him are okay? Would you say any of this to his face? And I don’t mean because he would clobber you, because he certainly wouldn’t. I mean because it would be so awkward and embarrassing. To you, that is.
Yes, but the Sharks don’t have any decent locks to win the tight phases, they have to go with mobility.
@>^..^< katman(katman)-576: LOL
Got more cracks on the skull and thrown in more cop vans than I care to remember…..nothing to prove mate….
@Gunther(gunther)-577: gave my bok jersey [ 2 of them ] to some homeless gents who were thrilled at there good fortune.
I will don the jersey again when I am proud of my team….
just for you grant:
There are 22 manne, in a rugby team today.
1 to 8 the vories, 9 to 15 agterlyn.
16 to 22, the manne on the bench.
But someone tough is missing, someone famous and intense.
Jan, Jan, Jan, is die soul van die span.
Every Saturday at the game, pak hy alles wat hy kan.
Brannas nartjies, sy kitaartjie, gasbraai boerewors en bun.
And he shouts vol uit sy bors uit: “I am here for you my span”
And the team shouts “Player 23 “We are here for you ou Jan”.
Jan, Jan, Jan, is die soul van die span.
22 manne in a rugby squad.
But the 23rd oke is a genuine stud.
His name is Jan, he is every team’s dream.
Player 23, there’s a Jan for every team.
His locker is a sacred space, to where ou Victor runs.
And there he puts his signed picture: “Groete van ou Jan”
Spot him at the supermarket – hoop maar hy’s ‘n sport.
As he signs his bum, Kankowski: “Said I’m never gonna stort”.
Jan, Jan, Jan is die soul van die span.
Waiting for his turn to gooi-Jan’s stick goes in the trash.
But Schalkie grabs the precious prize and ads it to his stash.
At the shoestore Jan is posing, in his bright new orange crocs.
And the okes can hardly wait, to replace their rugby togs.
Jan, Jan, Jan, is die soul van die span.
From that I gather you’re not in agreement with PDV that his bench should be used for max IMPACT rather than the traditional subs.
Many on here don’t like it neither, but as far as I know they’ll be supportive of all the players selected even if they feel someone else should’ve been picked.
The same thing has to apply for team tactics, we can discuss it but ultimately when kick-off comes we’ll be hoping it works out the team has planned for it with Biz & co coming on to take the game away from the opposition.
We’ve been going into this in depth as I am one who supports it. I’ve posted Div’s decision to do that too many times I’m sure you’ve spotted it somewhere on here.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-595: you think people stopped criticising Ricky after he scored in DUNEDIN?
this is not CHINA where people don’t have choices or aren’t allowed to view some things on google. if i think ndungane is weak and he has a blinder, then i have been proved wrong, it doesn’t mean i stopped CHEERING the team on…
have you been on this blog when QUOTA debates are raging? e.g. Adi vs Mossie in 2009..if what you say is the DICTUM then a LOT of bloggers here had no fccuking right celebrating the British & Irish Lions series victory because they did not agree with adi starting and nobody told them to shut up!
What Gwanty is trying to say is:
I have lots of spare time to post here because the business is not doing well at all.
I had a “health scare” when I tweaked my achilles so now I have a limp and not a strutt,thus I cannot cruise the beach anymore and have more sparetime.
When someone spends so much time dissing a player I bet you they have no future plans/projects to keep them occupied.
Gwanty stop projecting all your anguish onto Smit.
@Gunther(gunther)-594: O, hy lê ma?
You just said you’re not proud of your team.
Yet you’ll celebrate should they come back with the victory?
How exactly does one find joy in something you’re not proud of?
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-597: go Bokke
are you crying now? teary eyed maybe?
well, its still coming:
It’s a story about two manne, from different Provincial spanne.
They often did compete to be the mainkop of the street.
So they eyed each other skeef, wondering who’s the biggest fan.
They checked each others boerewors to see who is the man.
Elton and Jan, die soul van die span.
Driving to the game, Elton brags with his tjor.
But Jan drives by and goois a wave, and Elton smiles no more.
The kole are just right for them, and the struggle still goes on.
It’s a showdown at the stadium, it’s Elton versus Jan.
Elton and Jan, is die soul van die span.
It’s a story about two manne, legends of the game.
From Gauteng to the Cape, will remember their names.
It’s Elton and Jan, die soul van die span.
Player 23, the Bokke makes us one.
Player 23, the Bokke makes us one.
.go on grantie…be a legend of the game…
@grant10(grant10)-596: But then the Sharks hardly beat their Aussie opponents as well depsite these tactics- in fact we battle most against the Ozzies (Reds/NSW and Brumbies) I would say.
The point is no-one knows how it would have worked out against Wales and Samoa had the selection been different – we can only surmise. From my point of view its looking like the tactics are working. Is JS a better player than Bizzie – hell no – but is he doing well – hell yes and does he deserve my support – HELL YES. By the way I dont give twoshits what he wrote about Luke Watson. Have nothing against Luke, actually admire him for a lot of things. .
You said you threw it in the bin with the crayfish shells.
Drama queen super deluxe.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-595: kak man….
The team is made up of 22 players……I think 1 is a self centred p rick …..that means I dont support the other 21?
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-597: and fark you for calling some of us unpatriotic you snotty nosed wally!
I was reading all of those comments back then.
The thing is when Adi did perform those who doubted his selection accepted that he was playing good and supported him.
As soon as Adi slipped up the doubters were in their rights to point fingers.
But I don’t recall people saying they’ll support the Boks BUT NOT ADI even after he had good performances surely?
@>^..^< katman(katman)-602: i would tell him I believe he is underminin the team as he is doing this for the wrong self serving reasons…..and he would not clobber me…because deep down he knows I am right….
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-611: ur wasting ur time , he is the traitor he professes not to be.
If we win he will like i said say it was all due to everyone else but SMit
if we lose , it will be all Smits fault, and then he will try convince you he does not hate Smit
@grant10(grant10)-605: I wonder if thats improved our fortunes, we have an additional 2 supporters proud to wear the green and gold
That’s my point exactly.
Im asking you clearly.
Even if JS puts in a good performance.
Would you still not support him?
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-615:
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-601: mate, grant is not alone in that.
which current SPRINGBOK player am i talking about when i say the name “DONKEY”?
is that a term of endearment?
He would not clobber you because he is proffesional and a rolemodel for lots of kids.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-607: i know your points of view….I believe you are flawed in your thinking….but you are a decent guy and entitled to your opinion…..
we live and die by our sentiments…..hope you live a long time…because those boks are my team….which is why I get so befok when i see what i deem gross dofness!
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-611: i am not proud of the captain …..i love the team
@Transformation(Transformation)-623: No and equally deserving of a pasting. HG tree aan.
How very emotional of a man to give away his Springbok jerseys until he feels proud enough to buy a new one… :rol:
As if the Springboks need his flip flopping “support” which includes calling the team a bunch of “fat boys” and the team’s captain “poison”, “cancer”, “lardass” and “plod”.
How very dramatic. One would assume we are dealing with a 12 year old.
There has been a visible degeneration of the Vrede Files. Like watching Tom Hanks in Castaway getting dirtier, beardier and crazier by the minute.
Has anyone seen or heard from Cardinelli in the past 48 hours. I’m worried about his wellbeing. I saw that movie, Alive, where the rugby team crash in the Andes and eat their front row.
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-625:
1 F, 2 S’s.
That’s how it would appear.
I’ve been reading his posts on it since it started and when we were losing it was justified.
But changes have been made and we’re a whole year later yet the same sentiments remain regardless of how John will play.
I’m not a big Spies fan, but I’ll be supporting him to do good this weekend.
If he stuffs up we’ll be back here blasting his soft defence etc but if we make it to the SF and he still gets picked can I know say i’ll support the Boks BUT NOT SPIES as he played k@k previously? What if he plays a great game in the SF?
No Grant, it’s OUR team.
@grant10(grant10)-616: well you threw your jersey away and admitted you don’t support the team, so that contradicts your so called patriotism you farking unpatriotic nancy
@grant10(grant10)-628: G10 we understand buddie but some of us happen to like what he has achieved as captain of the team, some of us because he is a Sharkie (read ME) and some because he is a decent bloke (in our opinion). When they put on that green and gold I don’t care how they got there or whether I think they are **** I want them to do well even if the name is Watson.
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-630:
he has a huge ego and over inflated view of himself.
do you think ryan calls his ballie gilbert?
the mount cook glacier is brutal.
mind you as long as keo is there they should have enough to get them through to the next world cup.
That’s PDV’s thinking, I’m just a fan in SUPPORT of it as it has worked so far.
If PDV’S THINKING failed vs Wales & Samoa I would be criticising him til the end of earth as we would’ve been out of the Title Race.
But we’re still in it through the ways of PDV & co’s thinking.
the journalist who asked smit “how does it feel going to the world cup knowing you are not the best hooker”? was chastised for asking the truth. in these instances, glossing over things is the acceptable way.
Give us a G
Give us an O
Give us a fkyourself.
Seen it as well.
Who would you eat first should you get stranded with the all the Keolites in the Andes
@grant10(grant10)-618: My bullshit detector says I should call you up on that one.
You will not say any of that rubbish to his face. Not even under the influence of three chenin spritzers.
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-630: how is that different from calling players “warthog” and “donkey”?
if indeed it is different.
I certainly didn’t chastise that jouno he is free to ask whatever he feels should be asked.
Now if the journo came at JS with ‘you’re so k@k, fatboy and you Div you are so stupid for picking him!’
Then I would be first to chastise him
@John Galt(John Galt)-641: bwaahaaahaaa!!!
slow roasted on a spit some olive oil and herbes de provence with some salt to crisp up the crackling.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-633: I can remember folks on here slating Jannie DuPLessis for being useless on an EOYT when we got thumped by Leceister etc and we all knew it was the back end of a tough season and the guys were on tired legs. When he came good everyone was raving. Did we have a better TH than him at the time- no hence the acceptance of his comeback.
When it comes to JS though no such leniency (to build ones form up) is afforded because all consider Biz better than him and we don’t need a leader.
Well it looks to me as though Bizzie is playing very well under the circumstances and I would have imagined that things would have been different had he been unhappy. So much for the egotistic self infatuated fat boy – what an atmosphere he has created.
Anyway who gives a toss which team grantie supports.
there are still plenty to chose from.
he changes his mind along with his facebook status so whichever the lucky team is they wont be for long.
Grant’s made it abundantly clear that his “problem” with Smit is a personal one.
We’ve seen for well over a year now a concerted, dedicated stream of personal abuse thrown Smit’s way by Grant. Anyone capable of maintaining such a lengthy and committed hate campaign against the man is not right in the head.
There is no rational debate with him on the subject.
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-642: Not Capo. He has Canine Herpes. And Not ET. He is full of sh_it and I’m squeamish. Not Langers, because I don’t think he has showered since 1983. Other than that, anyone with a bit of rump.
Damn JS better have a good game this week I’ve been taking too many tackles on his behalf
But that’s what real supporters do, we don’t hold out for the ‘I told you so’.
We back our team when what they’re doing is working for them, and only once they mess up can we blast them should we feel like doing it, in my opinion.
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-472: I didn’t realise you are the internet police.
Where there’s so many ars*holes there must be a lot of rump.
@Transformation(Transformation)-646: Equally unacceptable because those self same people calling RJ “Warthog” were jumping for joy when he scored that try in Dunedin.
we’ll roll langers around in the snow a bit.
flash freeze him and kill all the germs.
We are talking about 1 blogger, Grant, who has led a vitriolic personal hate campaign against 1 player, Smit.
Those other terms you refer to could almost be seen as terms of endearment by comparison!
There is NO comparison to the level and dedicated monotony of the use of the terms thrown Smit’s way – our national captain’s way – by a single blogger.
@Gunther(gunther)-659: will still taste like d o o s
can someone tell me what exactly is kickoff time (sa time) on sunday.
@Gunther(gunther)-659: Unless we curry the fcker to hell, I’m not touching him. Not even with an apple in his mouth.
@David(David)-657: We could make our very own movie about it. We could call it Dead Blogger’s Sosatie.
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-662: what is kickoff time? Its when the ref blows the whistle to start the game
okay smartarse….what time?
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-662:
7.00am, I believe.
…or, it’s when the ozzies all run away?
Can anyone tell me what Smit has done since 2009 as captain of the Boks or the Sharks ??
Lost 10/11 3n’s ?? (not sure of exact stats)
Sharks won CC with Terblanche.
So his form as a captain has been piss poor, as a player even worse, if this was say Victor/schalk etc I would hate to see what most of these same bloggers would be saying !!
thats interesting, but for a different and equally intriguing spin, i wonder who the keolings would most choose to eat first from the springbok team if the plane went down on the way back?
would it in fact be j smit or would it be another player?
that would be a very fatty spit, no?
holy smokes….don’t even know if I’ll be home from the club by that time?
I’ll definately still be pissed.
on the plus side…that mean’s it’s a daylight time game in nz.
I’ve always been more comfortable with the boks playing in daylight and not floodlights.
don’t know why really
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-670:
I think Lambie would be young and tender, compared to the other toughies.
Lambie on a spit?
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-666: 7h00
we’ll smother him in enough of auntie merle’s atchar to turn the Gupta’s insides to liquid.
He’ll taste just like chicken.
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-660: plod….lardarse…..
same as THE FAT BOY calling Luke a cancer?
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-672:
Probably because we frequently get caught in the headlights.
@grant10(grant10)-676: actually he didn’t nancy boy. If you read his book you would know that the team members referred to him as such.
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-670:
start him on a high heat and crisp that mofo right up.
double chortle with a side of belly wobble.
you farkers better pray the fat boy rises to the occassion ……because if we lose the fat boys reputation will forever be in tatters…he will be villified and despised….he will make Luke sdeem like an angel…..
greed and self glory gents…..a terrible co cktail..
now outta here….
@trupisero(trupisero)-678: why would i ever read the fat boys book?
Are you farken mad!!?
I read the excerpt, and felt ill for a week!
please…don’t put a spin on it. In 2006, Twatson went ahead and started calling john smit and white names in sport’s illistrated. Completely ameteur behavior for a player aspiring to get selected as a bok.
john smit…..wrote an autobiography after the fact. Very different.
John Smit will be remembered as a legend, twatson as a twat.
a very good choice from a quality point of view, as he would indeed be a very soft and tender cut.
i must however admit i just wouldn’t have the heart to eat little patrick, he’s just such a nice sweet kid.
also, wouldn’t the keoling’s dislike of certain players influence their decisions on who to eat first?
“why would i ever read the fat boys book?”…..maybe you can’t read?
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-682: indeed.
if i absolutely had to eat one of the current springboks i think my first choice would be cj.
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-660: now conviniently it is NOT about vitriol but about the LENGTH of time of the vitriol, BULLSHIT spooner!
when it suits you, you sit by and cackle at HG calling jean de villiers DONKEY yet want to jump up and be sanctimonious when grant calls smit plod. As soon as it was announced that francois steyn was out HG was talking smack about jdv.
Not once did i ever see you stick up for ricky, WHY?
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-683:
You take out the young and smallest first. If you want to take on Bakkies or Danie, you won’t survive long.
Because he is a hypocritical ***** !!
yup this is a fine state of affairs we in, watson was called a cancer, pdv has been called many things – but calling smit plod is a no-no.
that is all ****, i dont give a hairy **** about any of that, the fact of the matter is that smit is starting over the best hooker in the world in Bismarck, and everyone speaks in hushed tones about it out of respek for Smit, what utter bullshit. Even old Keo here posts these cutting articles week after week ripping De Villiers and new one and there’s not a peep from the peanut gallery. Well where’s the glaringly obvious article, the one about why the hell Smit is starting over Bismarck?
You okes all run with the wolves and hunt with the hounds – typical compliant saffas – pick some hard targets for a change.
If the Springbok stands for anything it should stand for rugby excellence, nothing else, being picked as the best rugby player in your position in the country, it is not about having positions reserved for weaker players past their prime and too big to be told that they are.
tell you whose book i want to read is bismarck;s, if i was this oke i would be spitting bullets.
@grant10(grant10)-676: We keep telling you that John did not call him a cancer, he was relating in his book what the team called him, you know this but still keep distorting that fact, saying something repeatedly does not make it true.
@Transformation(Transformation)-687: @justrugby(justrugby)-689: ooooh Gwantie’s crew swings into action.
Answer 1: when F Steyn got injured, I called for JDV to replace him.
Answer 2: I have never personally referred to JDV as “Donkey”.
Answer 3: I have never personally referred to Januarie as “Warthog”
When have YOU ever called up your master for insulting Smit (on a daily basis)?
Answer 4: Never. Shame on you.
Now transgender will be off for hours, trawling tjhrough the archives.
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-693:
And I have never rfered to JS as anything but JS………what’s your point !!
So tell me, based on Smit ‘s poor form as a captain and a player in the last 2 years what justifies his selection ahead of Bissy, in your opinion?
@justrugby(justrugby)-695: not even “Plod”?
Must say, I find that very hard to believe…
But hey ho…
Anyway, I have explained it as this:
The extreme benefit of Bismark for 30 mins outweighs the benefit of Bismark for 80 mins and Matfield as captain for 80mins.
The extreme effect of the cohort of super subs – Hougaard, Bismark and Alberts (usually Rossouw too) all coming on at once – is one that can be tangibly felt.
Smit is not bad or useless or any of the other names you call him. He is solid and reliable and brings a calming influence and established line of communication with the ref. But when Bismark comes on against tired legs, boy what a difference he makes!
And that is why I see SOME sense in Pdivvy’s logic.
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-693: i never said you. you know who called those players names but sat here like the hypocritical doos you are and said nothing! i’ve checked grant on his post re Plod and he knows my stance.
you on the other hand are a snivelling sanctimonious swine…msunu wakho!
Just think about this:
Bismarks starts first 2 tests, Boks win both and the series.
Bismarck does not start 3rd test, Boks get smashed by 20 points.
Bismark starts in all of the tests, SA win 5 out of 6.
Bismarck does not start EOY test v Ireland, Boks lose
Bismarck does not start any of the tests, SA win 1 out of 6.
Bismark starts in all the EOY tests, SA beat Ireland who they have’nt beaten away in years, and win 3 of 4 tests narrowly missing out on a grandslam.
Bismarck starts in only 1 of the 4 tests vs NZ and OZ, yep its the one SA win.
You know the most fkd up thing is that Smit was already shifted in 2009 to 3 cos everyone knew what an irrepressible force was, and yet here we are 2011 two years later and results which have conclusively proved just how vital bismark is and astruse fk they are not going to start with him. i mean god almighty, what is wrong with these fools?
“Smit is not bad or useless or any of the other names you call him. He is solid and reliable and brings a calming influence and established line of communication with the ref. But when Bismark comes on against tired legs, boy what a difference he makes!”
From what i have seen since the start of this season and during the WC I simply don’t agree , in fact we should be starting with Bissy and using Chilli as an impact player, if required !!
That’s just my opinion though !!
@Transformation(Transformation)-697: you’re getting all emotional now, just like your master Gwantie.
Viva Fatboys Club! VIVA!
Viva Plod! VIVA!
Viva Dippy, Mo.hammed Ali of Coaches. VIVA!
Viva Donkey, the most useless farken “Best 12 in the world”. VIVA!
Viva Springboks. VIVA!
MOER HULLE! VIVA!
I have made 1 post in the last three days prior to this one because of the immature, childish, sometimes sick material that has been posted non-stop since the start of this RWC.
But today the heavens have opened up and has rained manna for the whipping of these obscene delinquents.
The E and the T sits back in his chair, folds his arms and stares to the heavens as he shakes his head in stunning amazement as he contemplates the fruits of the seeds(calling out the racists) he has sown since day one on this site and that was about 3 & 3/4 years ago.
The confusion, cowardice, and hypocritical tendencies, attitudes and comments as the ‘broeders’ tear into each other in ‘moffie’ fashion is definitely worth the smile that plays across his lips.
There is much to mock, in fact, too much and no time so I will just pick out a few more useful ones for good teaching moments over many hours.
Haha, somebody’s feathers have been ruffled.
Your crew all sound like skopskiet these days
VIVA BARNEY, Blessed Leader. VIVA!
VIVA Blaady Spies, GI Joe. VIVA!
Viva Matfield the Immaculate Teeth. VIVA!
VIVA Bismarck – the main reason the Boks have any sort of reputation whatsover over the last 4 years.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-706: lol chit stirrer
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-702:
And just as I post the biggest and dullest PDiV flip-flopper of them all flip-flops one more time. What utter confusion.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-706:
We’ll se next year how much the old folk will be missed. Yes they are now ready to go but their contribution to SA rugby in the last 8 years is monumental and worth a not more respect than some people here can contemplate.
SA rugby fans have short memories, mostly.
Viva Rassie and Nienaber, the brains and saviour. VIVA!
@Mike H(Mike H)-712: Viva short memories. VIVA!
@Mike H(Mike H)-712:
Mostly because 10 years ago they were about 6 years old.
Viva Zane, the most gifted. VIVA!
ja lets see the fallout after sunday – oh my tottie.
then we’ll see the true patriots…
@ET.(ET.)-711: Viva, Philly turncoat Caped Crusaders. VIVA!
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-700: not at all just showing you that you do not have monopoly on namecalling
you’re an HG lackey we know that hence you never have the guts to check him, look how he broke up with ET when that other lackey became lippy tl tl tl..
keep towing the line spooner
gym time (no peter davies)
VIVA MOERHOM MBALULA, PATRIOT! VIVA!
@Transformation(Transformation)-720: VIVA Transformation, Shark Lover extroardinaire. Viva!
Viva Morne the brickwall sharpshooter. VIVA!
When the most utterly discredited and foremost English speaking S. African racist, Woodie, questions your confused and laced with LIES credibility then what CREDIBILITY can you even claim to have had in the first place?
No consistency and no genuine principles gets you to this point.
No racist, neo-racist S.A. team has ever been supported by me ever. That is consistency and principles, ‘verkrampte (jou woord)’.
“Got more cracks on the skull and thrown in more cop vans than I care to remember….”
Aaaaah, so it’s not churlish vitriol, it’s brain damage.
I actually feel a little sorry for you now. (Vomit)
@Transformation(Transformation)-720: haha, go work off all that emotion chum.
@cab(cab)-718: ja if the Boks lose let’s wait for all the “I told you so”
I’m worried about Sunday. Those Aussie have just the tonic to beat us.
Little hopping around weazzles
Can’t get a good hit on them and smash them into the ground where they belong.
Oh my hat
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-715:
You’re a funny ******
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-719:
Any other national team but …. and damn proud of such consistency and principles.
Nationalism and patriotism are for the mentally pathologic morons.
Down the tubes we go
@ET.(ET.)-724: sorry, didn’t understand a word of your post!
Try again but type slower.
@Dawn(Dawn)-731: The alien has arrived. Ever understand anything he says?
whenever i feel like a lecture from the biggest doos on this planet, i’ll come to you, until then lets wait for hell to freeze over. aint it time for your doggie paddle lengths, i saw your one china HG has told u to fk off, and you’ve even managed to have a go at one of the true gentleman on this site in David – whatafkntwat, hope u realist that much.
Previously is was Gary Botha that everyone wanted in Smit’s place, now it’s Bissie.
Love to hated by the peanut gallery
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-726:
if the boks lose, there’ll be no ‘i told you so’s', dont worry snookums, you wont look like a knobhead, the old patriot, whatalaugh from you, that is bladdy hilarious. u actually a big coward, i seen it a couple of times with you trying to jump on the bandwagon, dont mistake my acknowledging a katman opinion to one coming from you. and i’ll tell you something else, its not grant thats been vloeking smit, why dont u have a go at skopskiet? this i would love to see.
All we know is: a Smit Bisse convo gives Keo a 1000 hits very easiely
Skopskiet is the biggest moron on this planet.
He shouldn;t be allowed near a pc with the internet. Or even out of a straight jacket
@Mike H(Mike H)-727:
sorry mike, yeah the ozzies are going to be a handful no doubt.
Viva Grant10 and JR, Camps Bay “Patriots”, Bok Liberators. VIVA!
@cab(cab)-736: haha you old winesoak, I’ve never spared ol’ skopshyte, the speaker of the most kak on this forum.
He’s been banned many times for it.
Jissuschristus wouldn’t it be nice if the Boks actually win this thing? THEN we might actually see some real “I told you so’s”.
Viva Pink Boas and Rubber duckies. VIVA!
Go Smittie show all these haters what you can do. Your form is picking up after surgery and lack of game time.
The only thing is they don’t deserve for SA to win the WC – they’ll turn on the winners without notice after a slump in form after a injury or something.
Many didn;t even appreciate our wining in 2007. Those same people are here today moaning about you and others that have held the greatest trophy above their heads and brought it home to us. Not sure why the hell they spend time following rugby if they don;t even enjoy us winning the biggest tournement of them all.
Bunch of blowers in the wind
Viva Striped Speedos. VIVA!
@Mike H(Mike H)-738:
he’s got his own way of doing things, but there’s method in the madness, and maybe it takes that kind of vitriol to get the message accross – i mean how they can even vaguely consider going into a 1/4 final without Bismarck starting in view of the last 3 years worth results is simply unfknbelievable. Its there for all to see – the results are startlingly glaringly obvious – why the hell was smit shifted to 3 in the first place and that was when he was 2 years younger?
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-741:
ag please man, i dont drink wine thats more likely your poofda style, the first time you give an actual opinion on anything will be when i ask ET for a lecture.
“So guys who can’t take it, make your decision. Why don’t we go to the nearest ballet shop, get some nice tutus, get a great dancing show going, no eye-gouging, no tackling… and all enjoy it.”
The 3rd Commandment: Mo.hammed Dippy Div Ali…
The Very Final Testament.
What extraball is saying, in a nutshell, is that you are all a bunch of neo arch racists, and also that he hates the Boks.
Plain English, short version.
Jeez Crab you are so far up Gwantie’s arse these days, you’ve been indoctrinated as a fully fledged crew member haven’t you?
I disagree mate.
Bissie’s value is that he acts as an additional loosie, which I agree is large value in this day and age and especially against Pocock.
But i think him coming on FRESH at 55/60 minutes against tired legs makes him more potent.
Against Samoa he was good but we had nothing to add in the second half.
John is strong, scrums well, line-outs used to be amazing but still good. He is doing more and more around the pitch as he gets game time.
His defense sometimes worries though. For me he has to make every tackle SUnday.
And his calmness to the team will be needed.
“John is the best hooker in world rugby at the moment so we will be very sensible when we make selections”
The Tenth Commandment, Dippy Div, the Mo.hammed Ali of Coaches
No argument now!
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-749:
and u a complete wet u *** twat
But i guess we’ll just accept we disagree on this one
After this World Cup then the truth will be seem.
Both Victor and Smit gone. Who will lead next – Burgur?
big issues – anyway let’s see Sunday.
I hope Smit proves his doubters wrong come crunch time.
Barney is Best. Dippy said so!
Only rugby idiots doubt Barney.
Listen to Dippy… He knows whats best!
I will stand up for Smit and JW to the end Took our rugby from hell to hero and then back a little
But so much further from where we were in 2003, and I am thankful for that.
Hope 2012 is not the start of a 1999 to 2003 period
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-755:
@Dawn(Dawn)-748: Nothing about Pigs? Naah, you mistaken. ExtraTit cant say anything without mention of a Porky.
@Mike H(Mike H)-750:
Mate, Bismarck has never played at loosie for the Boks, when we won those two BIL tests, when we cleansweeped the 09 3N, when we beat ireland and nearly one the grandslam in 2010 – you know the one thing they all had in common – thats right bismarck starting at 2 – the rest of the results when bismarck has not been there aint even worth talking about. Our results have been disastrous without bismark starting.
Smit is a good player, but he is not in the league of Bismarck and that is what the issue is here. Bismarck is having to make way for a weaker player out of respek.
@Mike H(Mike H)-757: Moer Hulle. Bliksem Hulle!
Actually i like justrugby, it doesnt care 4 our captain but he doesnt slate him, plus he seems knowledgable bout rugby and does not insult others who have a different opinion 2 him.
@cab(cab)-752: now, now Cab, lay off the wine.
The Clever, Wiley, Machine Shark Boks
The Bliksem Hulle Bull Boks
The Soft but deadly Stormer Boks
The Vrystaat Breakdown King Bok.
HG at school we learnt something called precis, so I just gave the short version!
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-762:
yeah yeah, lay of the tottie, u old queen.
Grant, it’s very clear that you haven’t read the book. I’ll make it easier for you. Read pages 169 – 171. And borrow a mate’s book. I’m not expecting you to buy your own.
Maybe, then you will know the facts.
It was the rest of the Boks that were referring to Watson as the cancer in the team. Not John Smit himself.
“For me, about the World Cup especially, there is too many haka around. It is unique, to me, and is losing its intensity, but that is only me. People are becoming so used to it. It is not a novelty any more and they don’t respect it.”
The 9th Commandment: Mo.hammed Dippy Divvy Ali
Sundown on most pewrfect day here in fairest Cape.
Lol! I mean perfect.
“Our discipline on the field is much better. We don’t get warnings or yellow cards and we don’t get cited. Our discipline off it is impeccable – no one has been carousing with women or tossing dwarfs – our guys have their priorities right”
Sura 6:6 Mo.hammed Dippy Divvy Ali
OK enuf already.
By BARNEY’S BOKS
9th October 6:00am GMT
mmm so you have also battled through the Sura and Hadith, i presume.
Time for SA Journos to mention this piece of controversy:
Apparently, the only errors made by refs at this world cup have been to South Africa’s benefit.
Once again, Paddy is out to get us.
I find it hard to take this with any merit when theres a large advert to buy Butch’s book in the bottom corner of my screen.
@cab(cab)-759: Come on Cabbie.
Where was Smitty when Bissie was playing in 2009? Smit was playing in the front row too. Only at th. NOT that he wanted too but doing it for the team.
Give him some credit Cabbie.
Bissie played Hooker against the Samoans and we only came through that test by a few. I think the strong bench coming on later is a master move by Peter or Rassie.
Let us keep the faith and support our boys. If we don’t win to Oz on Sunday then we were never going too. Whether Bissie started at 2 or John. It takes a whole team to win a game. Not one person. Come on Cab you better than this buddy.
Let us all stick together now and just support our team. I too felt negative at one point but that was just stupid of me. I am full behind my Boks win or lose.
Smit Bissie Smit Bissie.
On Sunday the truth will set us all free.
I believe the team selected was the best options we had and my opinion will not change whether we win or loose.
Damn I would love us to play the Blacks.
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-774: The Very Last Testament… Received by Dippy on Table Mount.
@Puma(Puma)-777 stupid english there sorry.
Meant if we dont beat Oz on Sunday.
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-778: Great post agree.
I really want us to win this one just to face Abs on their soil in a wc. That is my dream. Hope it happens.
@YoMama(YoMama)-775: I tell you I have a fear for that. Dan Retief wrote something about the out come of a match is too much in the hands of the 31st man on the field. It brought it home like a ton of bricks.
Just hope Bryce does not do us in on Sunday. He lost a few games for my Sharks that we should have won.
Just hope he blows fair to both sides.
Pumes, i dont carre if Smit plays left-back or flyhalf or the sweet lord almighty hisself, my point is that our best results have coincided with a very obvious selection, which is Bismarck starting.
Now on Sunday we are going into a test without Bismark, against opposition who;ve made mincemeat of the Boks in the past without him there. Why is he not being selected?
U remember the BIL series – first two we win, Bismarck starts. 3rd one Bismarck does not start, we get absolutely mauled. Ireland EoY 2009, bismarck dont start we lose again, ireland EoY 2010, bismark starts we win. 2009 3N Bismarck starts we win 5 out of 6. 2010 3N Bismarck does not start we lose 5 our of 6. 2011 3N, Bismarck only starts one test, its the only one the Boks win.
I have actually gone out of my way not to disrespek smit, the record is damning.
The TRUTH ‘Ou Blackie’s se groot neef’, just the truth, but being a ‘verkrampte’ that idea is just foreign to your culture , not so?
So your post here:
” i saw your one china HG has told u to fk off, ”
Clearly this is one BIG LIE because the very same ‘ou poephol’, your ” china “, just 2 days ago posted in answer to JL1 ” he dropped me like a dirty rag ” but those truthful words don’t count in your web of lies and confusion and delusion, correct?
He claimed too to be in the ” ET fan club ” and ” ET is no fool “, all his words hence quotations used, and I am not even aware of that fan club in addition to the reading club.
During the AB – France game I, the ExtraTerrestrial, challenged him wrt his uncouth and sectarian and stereotypical comments and not the other way round. But your ‘verkrampte’ arrogance simply blinds you to the extent you do not even realise that Helen is merely HG in drag that is why I used the name Evita.
‘Jy is dom, net dom soos ou Domjan jou bobbo-en-jaantjie saam met wie jy so sukkel om die Lew te verstaan met jul onnosele geselsskap oor K A K en nog wat.
@grant10(grant10)-7: Think positive man!!
@Puma(Puma)-782: We have Bryce? Oh holy hell!!
ja he did tell u to fk off, its way overdue, you were lodged up his arse worse than a dingleberry up the arse of my favourite skaap on oom blackie’s plaas.
I admire your support of an egalitarian and Utopian society, but where is it?
You live in a country that has a marvelous constitution (like SA), but whose Founding Fathers were slave owners and whose racial rights record was dubious, well into the latter part of the 20th century. The USAs record of support for right wing dictatorships and more recently it’s attempts to bomb a nation into submission on a lie, doesn’t exactly impress me.
Then let’s look at your support for English league soccer. There’s exactly one black coach in all the leagues, at my last count, and a black english friend and ex Leeds supporter, told me that Leeds supporters are the worst racists in the league.
To answer your original question as to whether there’s racism in SA rugby, the answer is yes, but it’s manifested in a variety of ways and crosses all racial lines ranging from petty power grabs to cultural defensiveness and just plain ignorance. It’s nowhere near as simplistic as you claim.
My point is, how “clean” are the “any other countries” that you support and to what extent do they comply with the standards you claim to judge them on?
I can understand any bitterness and anger at apartheid and its effects, but must question your intellectual honesty regarding your judgemental claims.
The fact that a lot of bloggers (supporters) here are totally insensitive to the lasting damage experienced by the victims of apartheid is, in my mind, no excuse for damning the whole society as rascist as would your love for Leeds be tainted by their supporters.
Well its kinda like a dichotomy here..
PdV deserves this WC because his level of undoubted loyalty to his captain and his team is simply unsurpassed anywhere in the rugby hemisphere…
John Smit on the other hand.. I dunno whether he deserves it nearly as much…or at all in fact..
The side winding of Beast and the benching of Bismark to accommodate the so called ‘best hooker in the world’ way beyond his ability or his pseudo ranking aura smacks of outright idiotic delusion and exceedingly blinded hero worshiping way beyond ANY realm of reasonable reasoning…
So if I have to weigh up Boks real chances on Sunday I say it goes something like around 25 – 30% chance of success with a 70-75% chance of failure. Much along the same trajectory they have been stumbling along with John Smit as this talismatic f’ng LOSER captain that they have been LOSING behind hand over fist SINCE he has usurped the No.2 jersey over Bismark’s head…!!
Idiocy SUPREME of continuing to proceed down a consistent path of LOSSES doing exactly the SAME thing repetitiously and EXPECTING different results has the just reward of getting what it deserves.. an unfortunate smack to the solar plexus where simple common sense would have been a WHOLE lot better judgment than being led by the nose due to some prestigious bulls’t baffling hero worshiping balderdash…!!
PISSARSE PATHETIC.!!! Boks chance of success under these delusional daydreams are decidedly way below 50% and that is the outright GAMBLE they have taken.. choosing to CONTINUE with a loser captain running on where the understudy has absolutely surpassed him in EVERY single aspect of rugby ability and contribution to this team THROUGHOUT and in every facet of the game and the position ON THE WHOLE..
@cab(cab)-783: And all those stats have nothing to do with the decisions of Dippy and his magical 2?
Wow, Cab… Pure genius to come up with that…
never meant played at loosie dude, just plays like an additional loosie.
@ET.(ET.)-784: “Helen is HG in drag”
Helen babes, if you are reading you need to come gooi a halfloaf….
The LIES of all racists have now become so blatant that their words are totally worthless, correct LIAR?
” without mention of a Porky. ”
Show that or its noun in posts 703, 711, 724, 730 and more.
As the ” day of reckoning ” nears so has your seeming ‘honesty’ flown right out the window, genuine flip-flopper.
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-789: The dichotomy here is between:
- The madness or genius of Dippy
Dippy is baas…. And Barney is his leader on field.
Simple. Spin it any way you like, it matters farkall in the end.
@cab(cab)-783: Yes Cabbie, but Smit was also playing in the front row at th. He too was there. You have to credit both of them and mostly the whole team. It is a team sport and not a one man show.
The last test against BIL we can’t count that we had our 2nd team start and left out most of our 1st team. A mistake we should have selected the best and white washed the BIL. We had so many of our 2nd side starting the last test we were always gonna get a belting.
@ET.(ET.)-793: Scratch that itch, my boy, scratch.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-790:
listen just as well we got dippy there cos he’s kept these guys on, which most would not have done, what he’s done wrong tho is let it go too far at the expense of in-form worldclass weapons like Bismarck. I can tell u right now the only way the Boks can pull this off is thru the sheer gees that PdV has bred and engendered in this sqaud by being loyal to a fault – unfortunately gees can only take u so far, they living in lalaland, with just a few changes they could have the gees and the dream. Bismark is obvious.
@Mike H(Mike H)-791:
He plays like an openside, like a blinside, like a tightforward, he’s got the lot. He’s a combination of the best of mealamu and hore, what more do you want from a modern hooker, and he’s fitter than both.
@Samba Bok(JayDaFiveOh)-786: Yes we have Bryce reffing our game. Only us Shark Supporters know how he can cost us a game. He cost us quite a few with bad calls. Even Plum made a bit of fun out of Bryce last night. Knowing really well how he has cost the Sharks.
This time it is in a world cup quarter. He had better blow fair.
Also really against a kiwi ref reffing our side of the draw. Knowing one of us face the ABs after. I don’t agree with it. But that is how it goes.
this f’ng stupid pseudo half witted ignoramus of a self professed idiot half arsed intellectual reckons he’s an extra terrestrial … dumb fck imbecilic dunce doesn’t know who his pa or his ma is yet he now proclaims he’s from f’ng Mars…
What a dumbfck imbecilic piece of poephol arsecreeping brown nosing pseudo runt punk schmuck
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-789: Who said this:
“John is the best hooker in world rugby at the moment so we will be very sensible when we make selections”
The genius in question is none other than the Mo.hammed Ali of Coaches….
He can’t be wrong, can he?
Howzat for a dichotomy…
Either Smit is Best
Dippy is farken wrong.
@Puma(Puma)-782: what games were those Puma, sharks vs saders? tl tl
(H e l l’s Shame)-792:
Are you going to resuscitate her just for tomorrow to come and smoke her ‘drol’ as a cigar ‘zol’ and look like a P.Pol but is no more than your troll?
I challenge you and will be waiting for Helen(HG in Drag).
Uncouth, gutless, sexist HG = Helen is another way of saying Evita Bez.
Puma Smit has played at tighthead and at hooker, its irrelevant, at hooker we have nearly lost every time he’s taken to the field against oz in the last 3 years – what is relevant and directly correlated to our best win is Bismark starting. He is non-negotiatable, the results are glaringly obvious, everytime he starts the Boks and their pack look a completely different animal.
Deans must be lovin it.
@cab(cab)-797: Spin it chap, spin it… You turning yourself inside out by about Smitty, quoted as the best hooker on the planet by Dippy, your Wee Maestro….
@ET.(ET.)-802: Aah thats better… Nothing like a good scratch for an itchy flea….
Weak, so very weak from the garrulous, noisy flip-flopper.
As lame and limp as that piepie you like tossing.
this is great, ET is being schooled by his former mucka.
ebony and ivory sit together in perfect harmony, side by side on the keyboard —rip that record up, ebony is getting taught a good lesson, sluk hom dok, sluk hom.
Okay I am off.
Hope tomorrow we just support our boys and forget who is playing cause WE can’t change it. Let us just be one and support the Boks.
GO BOKKE GO.
@Puma(Puma)-808: Cheers Pooms… Take it easy… Still three nights and two days… Pace yourself, kehla….
@cab(cab)-803: Cab after 2009 the laws changed and also the team won’t stay at their peak forever. Did we not just dip cause the whole team did? Or is it only cause of one man in the team that we lost?
What about some other players that might not have been great. We can’t just lay the blame on Smit. That really is wrong.
Anyhow tired of the Smit bashing.
Back tomorrow. Cheers Cab. We can still win this thing. Stay positive Cab.
Even the brilliant analogy of the war of the flea (too profound for someone who believes in W H O R E Street) has to be fantasised for I have seen NO flea inPhiladelphia’s freedom ever.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-809: I am.
Am I the only positive one here? Even the Wool Sheep thinks we will win on Sunday…………hahahahahahaha.
Cheers buddy. Catch up tomorrow.
VIVA THE BOKS VIVA…
uh huh pumes, laws change fair enough, but look at that 2009 pack with bismarck and brussow rampaging around – alberts is 2 years later but he’s also in that sort of form – this could and should be a side that bliksems these ozzies into next week, but we made it twice as difficult.
very very much hope they do win it, but its not right this. see you later, you will have to bring the positivity for this one.
@Puma(Puma)-812: Viva BARNEY, Immense Leader. VIVA!!!
Fleas? Rats? Cockroaches?
Yassis. Philly stinks.
One thing I cannot stand is arsecreeps… like this Mike H idiot up that piece of trash JW’s behind for all he is worth and putting his blinkered ****’d up hero worshiping indiscretion on display where J. Smit becomes his holy f’ng messiah by night and by day…to the extent where his holy f’ng aura blinds him to simply see the reality of the situation where Smit has NOT WON a single rugby test in Bok colors since Brussow stole the right of way… way back in those heady days of 2009… but NOTHING.. ZERO… NADA… FOKOL … ZILCH .. NIENTA … NYET since then…
WTF gives these goons ANY idea its gonna suddenly do a 180 miraculous swing around on Sunday ?
Philadelphia is nice on toast.
when deans saw the Boks teamsheet he must have thought xmas came early.
they’ve beaten the Boks 5 out of their last 6 meetings, they’ve beaten them twice this year and beaten this Bok team at home just 6 weeks ago.
Breaking up is hard to do.
Sonny Wool has backed has picked England, Ireland, SA and NZ to win their QFs
I bet your points will be ignored.
we can’t stand you so it’s even.
Howzit you rabid neo arch racist skirt wearing Scot!
@ET.(ExtraTit)-811: Joe Marr SA Analhog
Lurv is a many splendid thang
@cab(cab)-818: We might as well not watch because Patriots like you have already predetermined the Shackledragging outcome… Its done. Rah rah for the cheerleaders.
Hello lazy Africans, and Dr Killjoy of course.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-826:
The defeatists on keo these days makes this blog very depressing.
Man, I’m almost glad Scotland are out and won’t be embarrassed by NZ on Sunday.
Can’t wait for these QF games though. Three of them so close that it’s almost impossible to be surprised at which of the six teams go through.
Hellsteeth I am a lazy African tonight.
Work is the curse of tje blogging classes.
@JockBok(JockBok)-827: Jock Cassidy, your Sundance Skirts await…
Saddle up and ride…
Philly’s Doc Hole a Day awaits in the Keo Corral….
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-828: Ja, Patriots all…
See the Saffas are feeling very much at home in NZ…
South African journalists have been given a “taste of home”, saying they’ve been the victims of crime during a visit to Auckland to report on the Rugby World Cup.
Photographers Barry Aldworth and Christiaan Kotze said they were robbed of nearly $10,000 worth of gear after the Springboks clashed with Samoa at North Harbour Stadium last Friday.
Journalists Brendan Nel and Gavin Rich also confirmed that their car had been broken into last Thursday night while it was parked in the secure underground car park at the Pullman Hotel in central Auckland.
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-828: they do have a point however, pure rugby logic dictates B.Du Plessis and Alberts should be starting, adding those two would tip the balance significantly towards Springbok forward dominance. As it is, SA need to try to stay in the game until they come on in the second half, by then it may be too late.
@jocuba(jocuba)-833: Wondered why Poppa has been sparse lately…
Imagine the All Blacks without Carter and Mccaw
How awesome is that
Aussies can beat them in the semis
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-820:
he aint no octupuss
Indeed but she bleeds red like the setting sun.
Red for the land she thought she had won.
Scarce man, not sparse
2,156 seconds left
& for those kiwi pr!cks who perpetually post here about there little racial harmony utopia… whilst going to great lengths to point out our problems & issues with great glee – do us all a favour & shove your heads just another fraction up your own @rses so you disappear completely…
“An old (white) man was subjected to an unprovoked attack in Auckland’s Sylvia Park mall with the offender announcing triumphantly to the crowd “one for the Maoris” as he swaggered away “like he had just won the World Heavyweight Championship”.
Goston told the court he put his bag down on a table in the food court when he heard someone saying “f*** c***” and “f****** whitey” to him.
As he looked up, the “powerfully built” Maori man with his hair in a bun “like the Maori chieftains of old” came advancing towards him.
Goston said he turned to other customers nearby and asked if they would witness what was going on.
He said he felt himself grabbed from behind and slammed onto the ground.
“I was in the foetal position on the ground. He clenched his fist and raised it up in the air.
“Then, in a quiet and strangely calm sounding manner, he said ‘one for the Maoris, folks’. Then he swaggered off like he had just won the World Heavyweight Championship.”
Goston said he sustained bruising to the left of his body and a damaged knee.
He said he had previously had two heart attacks, a major stroke that left him half-blind in one eye and had endured open-heart surgery.”
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-816: Dumb farken Dippy for keeping Smitty as His Great Leader….
@jocuba(jocuba)-841: Sounds like Sunny Bill’s last fight in the Boxing Ring to me…
Jock the frogs to overturn the poms.
Are you with me soldier!
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-840:
2,156 seconds left for what?
The Argies made the semi’s last time around.
Just a reminder.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-800:
Like cab says the poor maestro is a slave to his own integrity.. he is loyal to an absolute FAULT
And for THAT I say he deserves to win this WC.. just to PROVE that loyalty and faith goes way beyond common sense or rational reason…
The real excruciating reality of it is BISMARK HAS TO START…and so should Alberts and Hougaard ahead of Spies and FdP
So whether loyalty in the end is SUFFICIENT to overcome ALL ODDS and FAITH beckons SO f’ng BLIND that even miracles ensue.. well that will be left for the rugby gods to determine come Sunday AM our time..
But unfortunately I don’t buy into superstitions and prayers to deities to deliver us from out of our bondage of dumb fck ignoramus idiocy when it comes down to selecting the BEST to do the JOB on the PARK.. That is where sometimes you have to weigh up what is best for the COLLECTIVE team in the final analysis and NOT for the ambitious seeking self worshiping idolized aura who has ridden rough shod over ANY last demeanor of simple common rugby sense.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-843: Or maybe them Samoans are still sore about losing…
Is your guilt getting to you that you now have to write so copiously, probably after a few glasses of wine for a boost? Is the worry at W H O R E St. getting to you? Are you not wasting your time worrying about the wrong Jobs? Are the genuine concerns for the real jobs for the jobless not a more noteworthy consideration?
That is far too much reqired reading between your lines for me to waste time on.
From the little sketchy bits I have read let me say life is simple and I am just a S. African ‘black’ who has never ever supported any S. A. national team in any sport because of racism or its newest form neo-racism ( and believe it or not there are millions like me).
I am in the US to do research, and more, on a green card that needs to be renewed by 2013. I am paid for those endeavours so what has ” the Founding Fathers ” (all dead) have to do with my reason for being here? I work well they pay equally well.
In your extreme misguided desperation, mucked up with YOUR sick view on nationalism and patriotism you clutch at a boyhood team, Leeds. Your referencees may well be all correct but you do not know as you are at best relying on second hand information. If a player or more or some fans are racist can any club be so considered to be racist? Worse still I have never ever associated personally with any English Leeds fan let alone a racist one so where exactly is the problem.
What questions of racism seemingly applies to Leeds surely has to apply to all English clubs, including Man. U. as England shipped out RACISM to all corners of this globe like none other.
Since you may be too deep in that bottle by now , just finish it and do not bother to reply.
The ” Day of Reckoning ” is at hand and you all seem to be messing your undies as a result.
Ponder the devastation of the result, if not Sunday then next week or the week thereafter.
They’re responsible for most of the problems there. Lazy and stupid with built in chips on their shoulders. Reminds one of something back home..
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-831:
Doc hole a Day
Well I’m not a proctologist but I know an arssehole when I see one.
Hmmm, sorry D, I reckon the poms will take it. It’s all the way to the final for them.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-826:
u do whatever you want, the game has not been played so the outcome is undecided, i want the boks to win, but i dont think they are going to – if u put that much stock in my opinion dont read it, but there is of course that small bet we had just before u changed you nik to dippy is the ali of coaches.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-842:
so sad man
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-834:
It takes a train to cry and a clown to laugh
Thus sayeth the Zarathustra of rugby ingenuity..
If Bismark and Alberts and Hougaard started Sunday Wallabies would not stand a f’ng hope in f’ng HELL .. and that is OUTRIGHT FACT
Now they got FAR more than a 50/50 chance
Imbecilic blind man bluff sentimentally debased so called mug arse patriots who rather see their TEAM lose because they CANNOT DO THE RIGHT THING.. than WIN by doing what is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY !!
And these twats call themselves PATRIOTS… HAH patriots my Bok loving Arse..!!!
If they were TRUE PATRIOTS they would WANT their team to WIN.!!!!.
Not get fckd up like a dumbfck bunch of wet squibs being led by a schmuck who CANNOT win for LOVE or for MONEY however much you pay him to do so…
I never knew Leeds supporters were a bunch of neo nazi rabid racists.
And why must everything posted here be wine-soaked. A LIE!
maybe smitty the fatty will be injured after 5 minutes
miracles can happen
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-845:
Knickerless is hoping we will go home early.
Shampoo’s coach says Smit starts so there…
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-846: Maybe, but then you are denying he has a plan… I think he does. Its the Barney/Bismarck Blitz… One two combination. Bang!
Fark me, and hour and 10 minutes for that reply and that’s all you can come up with?
Wake up keo, its 7 o’clock in NZ.
Here is the All Black team.
1. Tony Woodcock
2. Keven Mealamu
3. Owen Franks
4. Brad Thorn
5. Sam Whitelock
6. Jerome Kaino
7. Richie McCaw (c)
8. Kieran Read
9. Piri Weepu
10. Colin Slade
11. Sonny Bill Williams
12. Ma’a Nonu
13. Conrad Smith
14. Cory Jane
15. Mils Muliaina
16. Andrew Hore
17. Ben Franks
18. Ali Williams
19. Victor Vito
20. Jimmy Cowan
21. Aaron Cruden
22. Isaia Toeava
u are actually a complete ignoramus and cannot understand the difference between someone who is actually trying to be nice to you and not – i reckon u got aspergers or some sort of socially fkd-up genetic wiring in that mal kop of yours. David is the one oke who has given your shite on here some credence, cos thats what it is shite of the highest order, – he actually believes ppl need to read between the lines with you, which is ironically precisely what u are unable to do.
Leeds fans had a real bad reputation when I was a young ‘un.
Richie Offside McCaw playing with a broken foot
I suppose leeds is part of the anyone but Boks legacy
@ET.(ExtraTit.)-848: Wonder if David will read between these lines
Pretty clear to me… It says you are a Leeds supporter….
Sommer a kuk football team anyway.
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-853: “Thus sayeth the Zarathustra of rugby ingenuity..”
Good evening Shamps, still singing the same old song hey buddy! I hope you are going to be wearing your Bok jersey on sunday morning and shouting for the side.
Isn’t it time for us all to get behind our team, it has been picked and that isn’t going to change. The guys on Boots and all reckon it is a good side that should take the Aussies. I have to agree. I have bought some beers and meat for a looong relaxing braai with my mates on sunday while we consider the semi game against the AB’s next week.
Cab, aspergers it is. Isn’t there meds for that?
@ET.(ET.)-848: why don’t you pseudo little snotty nosed piece of runtcunt self aggrandized ignoramus arswipe piece of lily slivered trash go and fck yourself through and f’ng through.. Philly arse country is the CORRECT place for fckarse moffies such as you.. its where those arsecreep moffie w’hoere such as the likes of you hang out… where the f’ng Gaylords of the world hang out and play on those f’ng Streets of Philadelphia…
Somebody should do the f’ng honors here of bringing back to present ALL those gaylord f’ng love sonnets you used to sing to your estranged loverboy here day in and day out… you even had a full on almost love affair with the Hellenist pants wearing shemale .. till you caught yourself in mid flights of gayabandoned fantasy.. stupid little arsecreep brown nosed fck’d up sniveling runtcunt…
Now having a go at David who is the absolute EPITOME of gentlemanly behavior and pathetic piece of trash fucked up Excruciating TRASH the likes of you wouldn’t be fit to stand a thousand miles within his genuine humane orbit..
Piece of garbage snot nosed trash who Does NOT belong ANYWHERE near to a society he has TRADED ALL his pseudo fucked up inverted self loathing hatred in for retrograde compensatory pseudo arse whipped fantasia land.
dude Boots and all are a bunch of m-onkeys
They saw whatever they are paid to say
Anyone who thinks Smit should be playing let alone starting
has no rugby sense
The Aussies are laughing their heads off, best hooker in the world
is on the bench and its not even a quota reason
Its a quota coach
@mako(mako)-871: 100 percent. Here speaketh a true Bok fan.
30 deg Sat and Sunday here.
After games off to beach along with all other gabbas!
@Dawn(Dawn)-867: Hellsteeth, you are right.
fk knows dawn, u need to ask the doctor with the extra testacle, speaking of which most of them are fkd in the kop, i remember the one old prof we’d go visit, always used to wear shorts without onderbroek and he’s greys ballas would peep out – not a pretty sight, actually he was one of the funnier one;s.
You should apply for a job as Julius Malema’s speech writer dude. You have just the right blend of class, intelligence and tolerance.
Seriously mate, get your boyfriend to pour you a nice big glass of beer and take a few deep breaths, you are really going to blow a fuse.
@Dawn(Dawn)-854: Hey. Hey. HEY!! I am a lifelong Leeds fan. Please.
Well said skop.
@cab(cab)-851: Ag, I feel sorry for you Physicists… That quantum bunkum has farked you up silly… You cant make make up your minds… It shows now with your Dippy, Barney, Bismarck, Patriotism conundrum…
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-873: pseudo little snotty nosed piece of runtcunt self aggrandized ignoramus arswipe piece of lily slivered trash
And now dear Skopskiet you have added CAPITALS to your repertoire.
That’s a good one.
Amazing, so you have greater rugby knowledge than those ******* Naas Botha, John Robbie etc, not to mention our Springbok coaching staff. I must say it is a real priviledge to chat to you. Would you consider applying for the post of Bok coach after the world cup? You are clearly wasting your talents sitting behind a keyboard on a blog being judgemental on all and sundry.
Maybe not as good as f’cadilly. Which seems to have dropped out of Skops’ lexicon. Sadly.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-882:
told u pdv is not perfect, he’s been blindsided as has smit, they are too close to the action and have had to hold onto one another for various reasons, its a good partnership if exercised correctly for the betterment of the team but not when it involves influencing selection of one of the partners over a better player.
@SexyTime(SexyTime)-860: WOW. What an AWESOME side… INCREDIBLE…
(Go los Pumas)
Ted has been loyal to Mils for 99 test matches. But then dropped him for Dagg. PDV feels it is far better to have faith than to believe.
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-884: When I see that word, I think Helium De Villiers…
Maybe I’m just wrong.
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-889: Mils gets his 100th cap against Argentina. Israel is not in the team.
Wazzup soda. I’ve seen skop in action on his nokia. Guiness book of world records should be contacted.
Boks SHOULD beat this Aussie side HANDS DOWN
We should absolutely trample them underfoot INTO the DUST
Which is what would be the case IF we started our Strongest team first..
However the brains trust that be have decided that we start with the COMPROMISE of trying to CONTAIN the mighty Dingo Wallaby machine for 60 or so minutes by playing the mediocre has been dead beats FIRST.. and THEN bring on the Blitzers who will blow them off the park from the last third or quarter of the game
All fine and dandy apple pie in the sky strategy IF Wallabies decide to play along.. BUT IF the DON’T and see that Bokkies have left a nice soft marshmallow in the offing as the steely resolved Resistance to their WC campaigning cause and run RINGS around the softy boys who have been selected to start.. Then I’m afraid to deduce it may VERY well be TOO LATE for even the likes of Breakdance Bizzy, Boom Boom Alberts and Hurricane Hurrying Hougaard to SAVE their overrated self glorified arses AGAIN the SECOND time around !!
@cab(cab)-887: We’re going to win.
@Dawn(Dawn)-892: That thing has buttons of steel. It gets pounded, thrown against the wall, dropped in beer, thrown at TV’s.
The William Webb Ellis Nokia.
mako the m-onkey
Springbok coaching staff are a joke
and the biggest clown is the QUOTA coach
Boots and All have been speaking twak, trite for years
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-893: Skops your next trick should be to add bold to your fonts in addition to caps, alliteration and words invented by yourself.
i reckon that Snort the clown is busy making up his excuse list right now
One of PDivvy’s greatest weaknesses as a coach has been his use of the bench. During this WC he has managed to turn that around by selecting a strong bench and it has worked for him. Fortunately for the Bokke there is enough depth to pick 22 players that can allow this. We should in fact be celebrating the fact that things are going right at the moment. Sad that some brilliant players are only getting 20 to 30 mins on the park, but they are making a massive difference in an impact role. It is a winning recipe that is working, so let’s embrace it and support our team!
@cab(cab)-887: But Barney is the leader… and that trumps all other considerations in Dippy’s Eyes… Besides, your Wee Maestro has quoted him as “the best hooker in the world”.
He cant lose… One the one hand, he has one player who he thinks is the best in the world and on the other he has another who everyone else thinks is the best in the world…
So he has done a logical thing and hedged his bets by playing both.
Cant blame him in a way… A true maestro.
@cab(cab)-787: @cab(cab)-807: @cab(cab)-807:
On this good earth there is nothing more confused and delusional than a self-confessed ‘verkrampte’ and we have that great hoax, Apartheid, to thank for that.
To sell Seperate but Unequal Development (aka Apartheid)to the local blacks and the world, required, nay demanded, a culture of lying equalled only by Hitler’s Germany.
Despite Helen(HG in Drag) not refuting any point in my post 784 you still fantasise about the exact opposite. ‘ Verkramptheid is ‘n nare Cab’.
Did you get your woodie back after Woodie spoonie questioned your credibility or are you fantasising about that too?
50.5% of me now actually will desire the Wallabies to lose on Sun. just to see the same moronic, sorry lot of you twist and squirm to celebrate a victory. But don’t worry you will still lose the next w-end.
LOL, like that confidence Joe, just dunno where it comes from.
Aussie team and coach must be smiling tonight
Thanking their lucky stars that we have a clown for a coach
and they wont be facing the best hooker in the world
for at least 40 minutes
So you think i’m a verkrampte, fine with me, the others call me an emotional commie liberal, label my boy for all u are worth, let us vokmaarvoort – long live the neanderthals, maybe oom blackie had it right with you afterall.
Have to agree with you about part of what you say. Some of our coaching staff are seriously not up to scratch. Divvy himself realised that a while ago and wanted to change his sidekicks, but couldn’t. Divvy is a great man manager and if he had Heyneke Meyer for eaxample alongside him things would look better in the coaching set up. Fortunately for us between all of them (thank the lord for Rassie and Jacques Nienaber) and the fact that we have the experienced senior players there that we do (yes John Smit is important to this side) we are still in with a shout.
And Pigs will fly…
When was that ever in question?
I fight against any sick sectarian behaviour of other foolish people but I answer only to my wholesome good example I set daily. Just live with it.
Have you worked out any other similarities between HG and a pinkisk pig?
Note there has been no reply from that English muffin , David, and it has just gone 9.30pm. He is probably singing god save his queen.
@ET.(ET.)-848: So everyone has turned their back on the dirty little man. The manic street preacher who has come to believe the nonsense he spews day in and day out.
If you had a dollar for every friend you’ve ever had (and lost) here on keo, you’d have, what, $2?
as for helen, dunno what she’s on about most of the time, not terribly squeamish but after reading your witty repertoire with her about jamming bread up the twatty-watty i was left feeling a bit naar, god gerd waars die perd that one didnt go to no finishing school in SA, either that or she’s some 200kg sweatbox called Kobus blogging out of Parys in the freestate.
John Smit is a fat old boy who has zero integrity
If he cared about the Boks he would not start.
PDV is a quota coach
He is an honest bloke but an idiot of the highest degree
I feel sorry for the Bok supporters, they dont deserve
the morons who manage the Boks
So guys… who the Bok performers so far? … the contenders for top Bok player of WC & then – if we go all the way – player of tournament.
Danie & Schalk imo, at this stage – Danie edging it…
JFourie, Morne & Lambie – potential to make a late push.
Be lovely if Danie or Schalk is top player.
@ET.(ET.)-909: Leeds are White, therefore White is Right, no?
God save the queen is extrabollock’s favourite anthem
@jocuba(jocuba)-913: Frans Steyn and Ratel for me.
Morne Steyn for the tournament.
@Boksarenumber3(Boksarenumber1)-912: … & you forgot to mention that you also get an e.rection when you look in the mirror.
Focus on your own affairs…
should be Bismarck, Brussow and Alberts getting those accolades this time, but ja danie and schalk have been awesome. Hougaard has also been scorching hot as has frans steyn.
but players of the tournament, probably the irish fellas so far, that ferris and obrien are a bladdy good combination.
He was $2 up at the beginning of the week. Not anymore.
But a week on keo can be a long time.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-914: Leeds are also yellow, also blue, also blue & yellow, also … Marching On Together.
Leave the Mighty Whites out of this. Enough blasphemy on this site.
the queen wh-ore
head witch of england
Oh my! whenever I dare intimate that ‘v’-word, the labels you attach to yourself become more seeking of my sympathetic support than ever before and you suddenly become so rational in your appeal.
@Boksarenumber3(Boksarenumber1)-912: Chrissakes you need to change to number 2 immediately.,. Chop, chop!
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-900: So you are now an ABSOLUTE DYED in the maestro wool BELIEVER all of a sardine.. WTF has transpired since YESTERDAY when Dippy De Divvy was the WORST Springbok rugby coach in history?
Duplicity is hardly even a considered conundrum here.. I mean you have done a COMPLETE flip flop from an outright Divvy naysayer to his most forefront heralding hero hollered hallelujah honker of the hallowed halo’d messiah
So you suddenly seen the light.. far cry from the Muhammad Ali of rugby coaches so famously decried Just the other season or night
@jocuba(jocuba)-913: Brussow, Schalk, Danie, Guthro, Lambie. Alberts when he comes on has been very good, and what can we say about the Bizmark.
@Dawn(Dawn)-915: He’s one of your people. What happened to him? What went on down in Rondebosch East in the 80′s? What happened on those nights at the Galaxy? What unspeakable events unfolded at the Athlone Roadhouse? Will we ever drag him back from whatever edge he’s gone over?