KeoTV: Butch no impact player

KeoTV: Butch no impact player

6 Oct 2011

RYAN VREDE gives his thoughts on the make-up of the Springbok 22 to play the Wallabies on Sunday.


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  • 51.the peanut gallery: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 08:54 am

    @rangerman(rangerman)-49: the blond sort of gary bailey lookalike – sortof, knowwhatimean.

  • 52.Taahirah: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 08:55 am

    @the peanut gallery(peanut)-48: Unlikely. He’s more relaxed, not stupid.

  • 53.the peanut gallery: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 08:56 am

    @Taahirah(Taahirah)-52: eina

  • 54.Taahirah: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 08:56 am

    @the peanut gallery(peanut)-53: ;)

  • 55.Brads: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 08:57 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-46:
    My bad, I did not register pulling the wire as masturbation, assumed something else, him being a journalist in all.

    We tend to go for more chunky descriptives for our manhood here in NZ.

  • 56.Taahirah: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 08:59 am

    @Brads(Brads)-55: \We tend to go for more chunky descriptives for our manhood here in NZ.
    :mrgreen:

  • 57.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:02 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-14: Ag nee man! What is up with the Supersport presenters. The producers must be pulling their hair out!

  • 58.once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more...: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:03 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-46:
    its just disgusting man.
    some of these backyard rangers are really ffucking waaay offsides sometimes. i’ve had a few run-in’s with some of them over the years. have learnt to neutralise the threat early.

    @the peanut gallery(peanut)-48:
    :lol:

  • 59.John Galt: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:03 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-14:
    Jeez that is hectic. I always enjoyed him as a presenter actually. Always asked the right questions and controlled the show nicely.
    WTF Supersport?

  • 60.Kobus Kitty: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:04 am

    Old slug Smit no doubt has great player power. If PdV drops him then he’ll have half the team revolt and it’d be a France/Brumbies situation.

  • 61.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:07 am

    @Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-60: shouyldnt you be trying to find a life??

    seriously dude, you make grant10 look like a adult…

    shouldnt you go back to your class room??? just a thought?

  • 62.Kobus Kitty: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:07 am

    You know, we already have Smith and Botha out. We can’t afford Bismarck to not be starting and Beast to be out of the 22. I would love to see the three clowns sitting around a table coming up with that pathetic 22 thinking that they’re revolutionizing the game while they give Rassie the cold shoulder.

  • 63.Kobus Kitty: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:07 am

    @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-61:

    Go. Suck. Smit.

  • 64.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:08 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-42:

    So are we saying that Butch has never played in a winning test against the All Blacks? I thought there might have been 1 or 2. Who was flyhalf in 2005, when Jake won our home Tri Nations test against NZ?

    So far we have:

    2004: 1 win – Andre Pretorius
    2005: 1 win – ?
    2008: 1 win, Ricky January at scrumhalf but who the heck was flyhalf?

    Then we have 3 wins in 2009, all with Morne at 10, and 1 win in 2011, also with Morne.

  • 65.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:10 am

    @once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-58: what, rangerman tried to bum rush you? :shock:

  • 66.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:11 am

    @Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-63: yup im right , ur a 5 year old

  • 67.rangerman: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:12 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-64: no no no tac, dont get ahead of yourself please.

    ruan was the starting 10 in 2009 in bloem AND in for the 1st test against the lions at KP where we won.

    ok?

    so ruan is as much a hero as morne but then again ruan wasnt the starter when we got nilled in 2010 now was he?

    p.s. butch was the starter in 2008.

  • 68.Brads: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:13 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-64:
    I have already posted a comment that Butch has played in 10 matches against the AB’s.

    2 of these the Boks won

    He has scored a total of 20 points. Even with my poor skills at math I can work that out to be an average of 2 points per match.

    Not a great contributor!

  • 69.rangerman: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:13 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-65: hey now transformation, thats uncalled for buddy?

    wtf?

  • 70.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:13 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-64: BUTCH was the 10 in dunedin 2008, he kicked penalties and dropped one too

  • 71.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:17 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-65: you really into all the G@y stuff this morning :roll: eish

  • 72.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:17 am

    See it for what it is !!!

    Beast was left out because they can’t risk JS at TH and CJ provides the relevant cover there,

    Therefore simply put, Beast loses out due to JS inclusion.

  • 73.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:18 am

    @rangerman(rangerman)-69: :oops: just joshing

  • 74.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:19 am

    @rangerman(rangerman)-67: lol ranger thats why when it comes to Tac i dont even respond

    he tries to highlight only bulls players , the rest in his eyes are ****

  • 75.Kobus Kitty: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:19 am

    @justrugby(justrugby)-72:

    100%

  • 76.once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more...: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:19 am

    @rangerman(rangerman)-67:
    thats ridiculous.
    ruan was subbed because of his poor play and the fact that the boks were losing with him on.

    morne won those tests, end of story.

    @Transformation(Transformation)-65:
    hehe no man, you know…’backyard rangers’ nudge wink.

  • 77.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:19 am

    @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-71: peter davies ain’t g@y, he’s got a wife and kids

  • 78.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:20 am

    @rangerman(rangerman)-67:

    Did Morne come on to replace Ruan during that game in Bloem in 2009?

  • 79.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:20 am

    @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-71:

    Hi SL, our u21 B team did your boys at theTank on Sat, recovered yet ?? :)

  • 80.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:21 am

    @once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-76: talking rubbish, ruan’s injured ankle flared up and he was subbed at half-time. the score was 14 – 3 to the Boks with ruan having scored a TRY and a penalty!

  • 81.rangerman: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:21 am

    in fact, morne steyns contribution at KP (31 pts vs the ab’s) was the most outstanding game by a bok 10 vs the abs in years but he can by no means be held solely responsible for the boks recent decent record vs the ab’s (5 from 11?)

    1 win, 2 losses with butch as starter
    1 wins, 1 loss with ruan (i could be wrong here)
    4 wins, 2 losses with morne (again i could be wrong)

    dont have the time for the research but i am thereabouts i think.

  • 82.John Galt: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:21 am

    The whole Butch vs Morne debate isnt the real issue here though. This is my only problem with the continuos punting of the Butch book.

    The real issue and glaring weakness in the Bok side is Pierre Spies and his continued inability to step up to the plate.

    Everyone has improved steadily over the last few games, Rossouw, Habanna, JP, hell even Smitty!

    You have to know that when a nobody like Ben McAlman says that he cant wait to play Spies again because hes a softy, that the oke is nought but a passenger.

  • 83.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:21 am

    @once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-76:

    I prefer the term ****** Ranger.

  • 84.rangerman: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:22 am

    in fact, with ruan starting it couldd be 2 from 2?

  • 85.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:22 am

    @justrugby(justrugby)-72: how is that Smits fault??

    Smit playing TH brought success and failure, he also did not select himself there, but at the request of the coaching staff

    no other hooker covers a prop position, so see it for what it is , Smit is chosen as hooker which is his preferred position, the problem being only CJ is a prop that can play both sides , even though he is not a great scrummager

    so rather point out the truth , Beast is dropped as he cannot cover both sides, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SMIT

  • 86.once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more...: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:23 am

    “so ruan is as much a hero as morne”…?…wow…

    with all due respect, that must be the most ridiculous sounding thing i’ve heard this morning.

  • 87.Kobus Kitty: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:23 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-80:

    The score could have been so much more had Ruan actually kicked the other 4 or so goals he missed. Memories of a furious PdV standing on the sidelines just before halftime.

  • 88.rangerman: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:25 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-73: cool man.

    @once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-76: no, thats not true.

    ruan was missing kicks yes, but the boks were scoring tries. And no, morne did not win the 1st test at KP, ruan did.

    check it, gotta go, cheers!

  • 89.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:25 am

    @justrugby(justrugby)-79: hiyas JR , yep :lol:

    our own fault though mate , we should have walked the game , Sharks their own worst enimy right now

    oh and the Sharks aint playing their c team??

    :wink:

  • 90.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:25 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-78: Morne’s contribution in Bloem 2009 was to kick 3 penalties and he missed the conversion to mossie’s try.

  • 91.John Galt: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:26 am

    @once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-76:
    Are you talking about the Lions series?

    No, Ruan kicked everything over in the KP Lion test. Dont think he missed a single kick.

    In the second Lions test, he was missing everything and they brought on Morne.

    So effectively Ruan had everything to do with the first win and Morne had everything to do with winning the second.

    Not sure who played 10 in the last test.

  • 92.wpstormerbok: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:26 am

    So many flaws in Ryan’s argument.

    Firstly Butch has not been picked as an IMPACT player but merely as a SUITABLE & RELIABLE SUB.

    Butch is not expected to come on and change the game, rather he’s there in case Morne or one of our centres goes down. If anything he’ll only take field with 10 minutes to go.

    Secondly, CJ got the nod ahead of Beast because of his versatility as we can’t go into this match with TH Cover.

    Gurthro and Beast has been in a dual for the starting berth since the home leg of TriNations and cleary anybody can see Gurthro is the better player at the moment.

    Another reason Beast dropped out apart from the CJ versatile factor is that Div figured that vs the Aussies the game is more likely to break open in the last.
    quarter.

    Therefor GIO APLON got the nod as he’d have more IMPACT in this type of match than BEAST, who probably will get on the bench should we meet NZ as they present are bigger threat upfront.

    Lastly, JS gets the nod as the captain but also with the expectation that the first hour will be tight and will suit John.

    So even if Biz started he would’ve had less impact from minute 1 than he would normally have from minute 50.

    Do you guys at KEO analyse anything?

    Or do you just take things at face value without considering the merit of the options taken and weighing up the pro’s and con’s of each decision?

  • 93.Sasuke: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:26 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-64: Wasnt Wacko Jaco the flyhalf in 2004??

  • 94.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:27 am

    @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-85:

    Nonsense man you know it and I know it, why wa this not the startegy all tournament ??

    But believe what you want……. I suppose !!

  • 95.jeremy.vanzyl: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:27 am

    Steyn is the right man to start, why do you guys keep going on about Butch? He sucks, can’t kick and he is damn slow, he should not even be in the 22. Smit is solid for the 1st half, and when Bismarck comes on in the 2nd we gain massive momentum, same with Hougie.

  • 96.Sasuke: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:29 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-90: I think Pienaar scored a try in that game before going off injured.

  • 97.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:29 am

    @justrugby(justrugby)-94: hatred is a very personal issue boet, only one suffering because of it is YOU?? :lol:

  • 98.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:29 am

    @President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-89:

    Terblanche- Bok
    Deysel – Bok
    Adi – Bok
    Joubert – Bok
    Bosman – Bok
    Daniels – Bok
    Mvovo- Bok
    Michalak- France

    Half your side freekin internationals ??????

  • 99.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:30 am

    @Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-87: ruan missed 3 penalties and a drop in the first half…his first 2 kicks hit the upright.

  • 100.once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more...: Reply to this comment
    6 Oct 2011, 09:30 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-78:
    yip, kicked 3 penalties.

    @Transformation(Transformation)-80:
    ja transie, ruan ‘played himself’ out of the bok flyhalf position.

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