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• 351.Boksarenumber3:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:27 pm

  @fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-349:

  Habana is washed out
  He has become a defence player and yet he still attempts the intercept
  which leaves his try line open

• 352.Michael:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:30 pm

  > O’Neill said. “A World Cup without the All Blacks, the Wallabies or Springboks, I’m not sure you would be calling it a World Cup.”

  Hhmmm, so the first WC wasn’t a true WC after all, like us Bokkies have said all along

• 353.Michael:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:30 pm

  @Boksarenumber3(Boksarenumber1)-351: Best defensive whinger in the game. We need him for the opening exchanges. Hougaard on later to up the intensity along with Bissie et al.

• 354.mshiniwami:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:33 pm

  @Transformation(Transformation)-324:

  Fair enough.But I dont rate O’Connor much,seems to be one of those that will fizzle out especially if he doesnt tighten up on his defense and high ball work. Beale in last 12 months has made tremendous strides and is probably the world best attack 15-full skillset and decent on defence and high ball for a small fella.O’Connor seems to have regressed.Also landing himself in a wee-bit of trouble along the way.

  Maybe a lil less Twitter & building O’Connor brand-more commitment to the game. Same for Zack Guilford.

  Would STILL take Habana above O’Connor on the wing.(mina)

  Ray Mordt…never saw him play so cant comment.Seen him at gym though when in JHB-old boy is still one HELL of a specimen,a freak in fact.In his 50′s but has a body of a professional athlete still.Respect.

  Pre-injury Ashwin Willemse was my favourite SA winger of all time.Had it ball.Pity.

• 355.fantasticbarnsmell:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:36 pm

  @Boksarenumber3(Boksarenumber1)-351: i fully agree actually.
  @Michael(mikeybrass)-353: last year Habana was easily our worst defender on the field, this year he’s maybe a bit better, but to say he’s the best defensive winger is just ludicrous.

  i’m really lost on the logic of keeping obviously better players off the field because they will have in impact later on. that’s like one consolation bonus of having them come on, the downside being you spend most of the game with inferior players on the field! surely you want your best players to have the most game time?? what am i missing here?

• 356.Airwell:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:38 pm

  @Michael(mikeybrass)-352: 1987 and 1991 not world cups

• 357.NZINCHINA:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:39 pm

  @Airwell(Airwell)-347:

  Those Maori’s sure do have good memories from pre 1840 but i’m sure the 10 you spoke to hate white Nzers because of something that happened 170 years ago.

• 358.fantasticbarnsmell:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:40 pm

  @Michael(mikeybrass)-352: i do believe the answer we usually use for 2007 is “you can only play what’s in front of you”, and so they can in turn say this regarding 1987 and 1991. we were rightfully excluded from the competition and if you want to put yourself in the same corner as the likes of Louis Luyt, go ahead, but please don’t suggest that all Springbok fans feel the same way.

• 359.>^..^< katman:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:41 pm

  @Boksarenumber3(Boksarenumber1)-350: Ek sien jy’t weer dronk wakker geword.

• 360.mshiniwami:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:42 pm

  @fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-342:

  Beg to differ especially in relation to the umbrella defensive scheme SA uses.Habana is intergral to its functioning and it was clearly evident when he left vs Samoa-holes opening up around Jaque Fourie channel.

  Our fullbacks hardly have to make on 1 tackles when Habana is there because he scrambles so well and outside attackers are wary of his defence.Thus holds line together somewhat. Has made his mistakes there but of late he has been returning to his best. Hougaard very important esp last quarter as we have seen with ageing Bok team-last 25-30 mins is where we tend to switch off.With Hougaard,Bizzie,Alberts,Aplon we certainly can keep intensity up and more-actually creating play not defending on backfoot. Ewen McKenzie wrote a column that agrees with this notion.

• 361.Kigganator:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:45 pm

  Fair enough, some players are over the hill, debatably some should start ahead of others, however with our so called non-perfect team, we have beaten every team set before us in this world cup. The last Tri-Nations game against the ozzies was much closer than what they would admit. I just find it despicable that a South African would turn against his team like this. When (and note I do not say IF) we beat the ozzies, will you bring your arrogant self on camera again and eat your words? You also dont make any sense wanting to drop the leading point scorer in WC because you are a Butch Fanboy. Morne has more than proven his worth and is not a walking yellow card.

• 362.fantasticbarnsmell:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:45 pm

  @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-360: points taken, especially with regards to switching off in the last 20 minutes. at this point we just need to have faith that this system works i suppose, the next few games will be a stern test.

• 363.mshiniwami:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:49 pm

  @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-357:

  Whether its 170 years ago is irrelevant due to that fact that the direct results of such acts are indicative of current NZ societal dynamics including distribution of resources etc Or am i wrong? i stand to be corrected but there is always a snowball effect to future generations-remnants/dynamics that continue to be unfavourable to indigenous population in relation to share in resources etc

• 364.Heavens Game:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:52 pm

  @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-360: Spot on Mishini. Good post.

• 365.David:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:54 pm

  @fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-362:
  It’s going to be great going to bed sunday night knowing that only the Argies stand between us and the final.

• 366.NZINCHINA:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:54 pm

  @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-363:

  you’re wrong Maori in NZ are disadvantaged because of their own doing not the white man, they have the same opportunities as everybody else, every single person in NZ is eligble for a govt student loan so they can educate themselves some choose to others don’t, its a cruel world we live in but if you get off your a rse you can achieve whatever you want, don’t blame something that happened 170 years ago

• 367.once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more...:
  7 Oct 2011, 13:56 pm

  @Michael(mikeybrass)-353:

  hahaha you said:
  “@Boksarenumber3(Boksarenumber1)-351: Best defensive whinger in the game”
  is a defensive whinger better than an attacking one? hehe

• 368.David:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:00 pm

  @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-366:
  Hell, they just want their country back. The Jews managed it after almost 2000 years, so what’s 170?

• 369.Bill Reyts:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:04 pm

  My heart says boks but the head says Oz.

  Predictions:

  Wales to pip Ireland – I would like Ireland to win but Wales are awesome.
  England to thrash France
  Oz to pip SA
  AB to klap Argies

  Semis:

  AB to whip the Ozzies
  Wales to pip the Poms

  Final

  Wales to win the world cup – yeah right…

• 370.Helen:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:05 pm

  Hello boys! Howz it hanging with all you swamp donkeys?

  I see keo is up to his doomsday tricks again?

• 371.NZINCHINA:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:06 pm

  @David(David)-368:

  no they don’t they just want more money given to them its nothing about getting “their” country back

• 372.ufo:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:06 pm

  @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-357:

  this from stuff.co.za

  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5741412/One-for-the-Maoris-basher-sentenced

  would suggest that it is not all sunshine and roses in the the land of the long white cloud… and there is some sort of anti-undercurrent…

  An old man was subjected to an unprovoked attack in Auckland’s Sylvia Park mall with the offender announcing triumphantly to the crowd “one for the Maoris” as he swaggered away “like he had just won the World Heavyweight Championship”.

  William Morgan Lewis, 43, was convicted yesterday in the Auckland District Court of assaulting 67-year-old Warren Goston on January 11 in the food court of the Mt Wellington mall.

  Goston told the court he put his bag down on a table in the food court when he heard someone saying “f*** c***” and “f****** whitey” to him.

  As he looked up, the “powerfully built” Maori man with his hair in a bun “like the Maori chieftains of old” came advancing towards him.

  Goston said he turned to other customers nearby and asked if they would witness what was going on.

  He said he felt himself grabbed from behind and slammed onto the ground.

  “I was in the foetal position on the ground. He clenched his fist and raised it up in the air.

  “Then, in a quiet and strangely calm sounding manner, he said ‘one for the Maoris, folks’. Then he swaggered off like he had just won the World Heavyweight Championship.”

  Goston said he sustained bruising to the left of his body and a damaged knee.

  He said he had previously had two heart attacks, a major stroke that left him half-blind in one eye and had endured open-heart surgery.

  “Why would you pick on an old man like me who’s less powerful than him?”

  Lewis’ lawyer suggested Goston gave his client “a disparaging look”.

  Goston said that was “a complete lie”.

  Judge Thomas Everett said he found Goston’s evidence “lucid” and “credible”.

  He said Lewis appeared to have mental problems.

  The judge said if the attack had been carried out by someone who was “the full pound” he would have taken it “extremely seriously” as it appeared to be a race-hate crime.

  He convicted Lewis and ordered him to appear for sentence if called upon within the next six months.

  - Auckland Now

• 373.crock:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:07 pm

  Might as well flip a coin. Game is going to come down to a moment of opportunism, a mistake or a bad call by the ref. Impossible to call and difficult to see how Keo can have such a strong opinion. I suppose it’s a bit like picking up a hot chick in a bar – you prepare yourself mentally for failure so that when it happens it doesn’t hurt so much.

  We don’t know which Quade Cooper is going to pitch. If he has a sublime game, the boks are in trouble. If not, we should expect a win.

  Generally speaking – one has to commend Ireland and Wales for playing some incredible rugby. SH teams have been quite arrogant going into this world cup and they appear to be the most vulnerable. I won’t be surprised if the cup goes North this year. SANZAR need to relook at the Super Rugby and Trinations schedule. The intensity shown by Ireland and Wales is well above the big 3 and they don’t have massive injury lists to contend with.

• 374.Helen:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:07 pm

  I am not sure about the bottom half of the draw, but my money is on Ireland getting into the final.
  They also have the goods to upset the Kiwis or Boks in the final.
  Ireland is a great team even though they are also getting to the end of their best decade of rugga in a long time

• 375.Kigganator:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:08 pm

  @Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-369:
  I think there are a couple of high hopes there

  Ozzies been way too unpredictable. They will either win it greatly or lose miserably. Only 4 teams in this WC wort noting, SA, AUS, AB and Wales.

• 376.Bill Reyts:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:09 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-374:

  Wales are more balanced and are consistently performing well. Ireland are up one game and then mediocre. I personally would like Ireland to move to the finals but Wales are playing awesome rugger and would deserve a place in the finals just on that.

• 377.wooden spoon:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:10 pm

  @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-363: @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-366:

  Mshini

  Have you ever been to NZ?

  I have and I would tend to side with what NZINCHINA has said. The Maori (themselves relative newcomers to NZ just like the Bantu to SA) are given every opportunity to better themselves. There are many parallels with modern day SA – Maori have been given vast tracts of land for example.

  If you want to make something of yourself, it’s up to you to do it. No-one is owed anything in this life and if anyone thinks they are owed something, well, that’s the first step to overcome in order to alleviate themselves.

  Otherwise, the excuse of history becomes a rather convenient one to hide a lack of ambition, motivation or failure.

• 378.NZINCHINA:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:11 pm

  @ufo(ufo)-372:

  race relations in NZ are about the same as any other country but lets not go down that avenue as i’m sure i could drag up some articles about ever country but why would I bother, people in glass houses

• 379.NZINCHINA:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:13 pm

  @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-377:

  history is an excuse for failure, where does it end

• 380.Bill Reyts:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:13 pm

  @Kigganator(Kigganator)-375:

  Agree with you on your final paragraph. Still think that flair and brains will win on Sunday. If you go on that there is only one winner.

• 381.Helen:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:14 pm

  @Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-376:

  Agree, maybe its just my heart talking.
  According to rankings, the final has to be between NZ and Eng.
  According to world cup performances, it has to be NZ vs Wales
  According to world cup history, it should be SA/Aus vs Eng/Fra

  The whole Carter issue might be the prelude to a classic choke this year… I think even the Argies will back themselves this weekend

• 382.Helen:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:15 pm

  @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-378:

  Why do you say that? Are Europeans discriminated against in NZ?

• 383.Bill Reyts:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:15 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-381:

  Would love Wales to win, if we are not in the final. Man that would be great. Ireland – well that would be better, but Wales to win this one tomorrow.

• 384.Helen:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:16 pm

  @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-379:

  Indeed, where does it end?
  Will it be a 24 year long choke or a 28 year one? That’s the question?

• 385.ufo:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:17 pm

  @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-378:

  you’re quite right nzch… and of course you could…

  point is… everybody knows this about south africa… your comment implies it is not the case with new zealand…

  i merely illustrated that is not necessarily the case…

  and i didn’t have to dredge and drag up some articles from the past… this man was convicted yesterday for the incident which happened in january…

  use it… don’t… deny it… don’t…

• 386.Bill Reyts:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:17 pm

  Happy Birthday Bishop TUTU. May you be spared many years to come…

  Go Bokke – moer hulle. LOL

• 387.Helen:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:17 pm

  @Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-383:

  Agree, whoever wins that game tomorrow, will be in the final…

  Fra and Eng are both very lucky to be in the qrts.

  Their performances have been on the wrong side of great

• 388.Bill Reyts:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:18 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-387:

  Yeah and I feel for Scotland as well. They have played admirably.

• 389.Michael:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:21 pm

  @fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-355: Your question was answered elsewhere, both in other threads by UFO and later on in this thread. We have good players starting; we have other players on the bench who are equipped with a better skill set to make an impact and increase the intensity. PdV is using his players well for the important matches.

  @Airwell(Airwell)-356: True by that logic

  @fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-358: Whether we were wrongly excluded or not is not the point of course. It’s over whether the tournament could be called a WC before all the major rugby powers were involved. By John’s logic, only the tournament from ’95 onwards can be called a WC. Now if you want to talk about exclusion, that is a different subject as you know.

  @once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-367: LOL Good catch. Was on my way to lunch.

  Anyways, caio dudes

• 390.Helen:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:21 pm

  @Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-388:

  Best qrts would have been like this:

  SA vs Arg
  NZ vs Eng

  Aus vs Wal
  Ire vs Scot

  TThat would’ve been a fairer representation of world rugby at the mo

• 391.once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more...:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:23 pm

  @Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-369:
  i hope you’re not a betting man bill.

• 392.Helen:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:23 pm

  Somehow, it won’t feel like a real world cup if the kiwis don’t choke.
  Much like a Spur burger without the patty. It just isn’t a burger then, is it?

• 393.Bill Reyts:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:24 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-390:

  For sure! For us to take Oz and the AB’s is going to be tough. Man oh man – I believe in miracles, where you from you sexy thing.

• 394.Helen:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:25 pm

  If anything, I am quite excited about the next 6 Nations.
  I will be thrilling stuff with more than one upset.

• 395.Bill Reyts:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:25 pm

  @once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-391:

  Naa only a realist – not with Wales winning the cup though. That was wishful thinking.

• 396.Helen:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:25 pm

  @Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-393:

  I’m from heaven, why do you ask? Are my wings showing?

• 397.Bill Reyts:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:27 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-396:

  Naa i’m looking upwards but getting the kilt feeling. LOL

• 398.Bill Reyts:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:28 pm

  Boks to thrash the Ozzies and then do the same to the Kiwis…

  Oh man that would be heaven…

• 399.BULLET:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:36 pm

  Keo, did you ever play rugby?

• 400.Great White Shark:
  7 Oct 2011, 14:37 pm

  What a tool.

  Even the Kiwis think we’ll beat Oz.

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