PdV’s misplaced loyalty could cost Boks
7 Oct 2011
JON CARDINELLI writes that Peter de Villiers has failed the Springboks by favouring John Smit over Bismarck du Plessis.
‘Don’t be surprised if Bismarck starts the big games,’ a source close to the team told me last week. By that point, Smit had started the Boks’ first three World Cup matches, but there was still a strong belief that Du Plessis would wear the No 2 jersey in the play-offs.
Before Thursday, Du Plessis had pledged his support to his mentor and captain, although privately he may have expected to start the big games. When the team to play against Namibia was named, Du Plessis told an Irish journalist that he’d accepted his role as Smit’s understudy, but following the announcement of the Boks’ quarter-final line-up, he cut a dejected figure at the team hotel.
When he was interviewed, there was none of the good humour that had characterised his media offerings earlier in the tournament. There was also a rumour that he’d reacted badly to the news that he would be riding the bench, and that the head coach was unimpressed with this reaction.
De Villiers calls it a bad attitude, I call it a bad decision. Not for the first time in the last four years, the Bok coach has favoured Smit over Du Plessis even though it’s become increasingly evident that Smit can no longer meet the standards of an international hooker, let alone match the trend-setting Du Plessis.
Smit is also no longer the indispensable leader he was during De Villiers’s early years. On the 2010 tour to the Home Nations, Victor Matfield proved himself to be a capable leader in Smit’s absence. When he was handed the responsibility at this World Cup, Matfield admitted that the captaincy wasn’t as demanding when you had leaders like Bryan Habana (73 caps), Jean de Villiers (71), Jaque Fourie (68), Schalk Burger (67), Danie Rossouw (62) and Fourie du Preez (61) in the side.
There can be a case made for Habana’s exclusion, but the rest of these players deserve their places regardless of their age. The same cannot be said of Smit, and you have to wonder if the reasons around his selection are truly rugby related.
There will never be another John Smit. He’s already the most decorated Bok captain of all time, and his achievements are all the more remarkable given what he’s had to endure from an off-the-field perspective.
It was during the turbulent times of 2008 and 2009, when De Villiers was at his controversy-inciting worst, that Smit needed all of his experience and diplomacy, and behind the scenes, Smit worked to ensure the right calls were made in terms of selection and tactics. While he had already achieved so much prior to 2008, his value and contributions during the first two seasons of De Villiers’ tenure should never be underestimated.
When I interviewed Smit in April 2010, he told me that he would continue to put the team first. He said that the time may come where he would need to step aside, either to warm the bench or support the team as a non-playing squad member. He said this with conviction, and his past deeds both on and off the field gave me no reason to doubt that he would make good on his promise.
I couldn’t help but think about that conversation when Smit was announced as the starting hooker for this Sunday’s quarter-final against the Wallabies. The senior players have a big say in selection and strategy, and so I felt Smit’s selection didn’t align with his commitment to put the team first. By marching on as the starting No 2, he is doing the Boks no favours. By standing in the way of Du Plessis, he is, ironically, doing his country a disservice.
De Villiers will also need to accept responsibility for this situation. He may feel that he owes Smit something but the reality is that a Bok coach should always place the needs of the team above the needs of individuals.
Du Plessis is right to feel aggrieved. The best player won’t start in the No 2 jersey this Sunday, and this decision could cost the Boks’ in the decisive battle up front. It could cost the team everything they’ve worked for over the past four years and lead to an embarrassing quarter-final exit on par with that of Rudolph Straeuli’s side of 2003.
Through the weak management of De Villiers and Smit’s refusal to face the fact that he’s a spent force, the rugby world has been denied the privilege of seeing Du Plessis in his prime on the greatest stage of all. From a South African perspective, the decision to favour Smit has robbed the Boks of the stronger, more dynamic starting option, and it’s likely to be a decision the entire nation will come to lament.
717 Comments
7 Oct 2011, 06:34 am
AND Spies. Dragons !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7 Oct 2011, 06:50 am
very poor decision, this is the end of the bloody road favoring that dumb fck useless has been chump over those that would have taken Boks all the way to glory. Sorry to say this time Keohane is right this fckup of a decision is the last nail driven deep into Boks disconsolate coffin, Boks coming home because of this.
Pathetic useless Fckng idiots !!
7 Oct 2011, 07:04 am
What a load of **** JC. This really has got so stale. Smit for 50-60 minutes while the game is tight then Bissie to come on and give horns. Bissie is not an 80 minute player.
7 Oct 2011, 07:20 am
@JamesNkomo(JamesNkomo)-3:
Why is he not an 80 minute player?
7 Oct 2011, 07:21 am
Great article, right on the money !!
7 Oct 2011, 07:26 am
Agree with you James. Smit is a better scrummager so should be there when it’s tight. Bring on bissie after 55 min. Don’t agree with Habana or Spies though. Would have started with hougaard and alberts
7 Oct 2011, 07:30 am
Gotta agree with Cardinelli on this one.
7 Oct 2011, 07:34 am
Matfield can captain the Boks during test matches, but is not a World Cup captain. this was pvoved against Samoa.
Matfields captaincy in knock out tournaments is dogy. personally i would sleep easier with Smit being the captain as this time of the World Cup.
Smit is a World Cup captain, major difference, Martin Johnson will tell you.
7 Oct 2011, 07:38 am
@SHARKattack(mabu)-8:
Vic’s captaincy Dodgy ??
He won the S14 3x ??
Smit never won it, and when they won their latest CC , Terblanche was captain, I feel you still riding on the emotions of the 2007 WC and BIL series win. His form and captaincy record sine has been way below par !!
7 Oct 2011, 07:40 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-9:
Having said that, good luck to Smit and the boys, make history chaps !!
7 Oct 2011, 07:45 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-9: thing is, its easy to be captain when the whole team is on form.
7 Oct 2011, 07:52 am
according to Wooden Spoon & his guppy ilk bismarck is a traitor because he is annoyed at plod starting before him. he is supposed to just accept pdv’s selections and not question them.
7 Oct 2011, 07:52 am
This story is so old it’s retired. Please JC, wake up and smell the grass. The worst game we played in the WC so far was against Samoa, and who started? The messiah Busmarck Du Plessis! Did his performance alone lift the boks to great hights you amagined? No, the boks played directionless rugby because the curator was on the bench, and a bad call by the ref limited his effect on the team.
7 Oct 2011, 07:52 am
it doesn’t matter who takes to the field they all need to man up
whoever wins this game will win the cup
7 Oct 2011, 07:55 am
@SHARKattack(mabu)-8: smit is dikgat and a HUGE liability to carry in a Quarter-final. his “aura” is worth Sshit if he is plodding around the field like he did against Wales.
7 Oct 2011, 07:56 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-12:
How crazy is that,!!! but the guppy supporters have a habit of turning on their own !!
7 Oct 2011, 07:57 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-9: @SHARKattack(mabu)-8: SHARKattack still bitter because of the loss plod took against matfield in the 2007 S14 final?
7 Oct 2011, 07:57 am
its called a game plan john.
7 Oct 2011, 07:58 am
@SHARKattack(mabu)-8: Agree with you on Matfield but like the article says he does have Du preez to marshall from behind the scrum ….. I think it is working quite well with Bis coming on 2nd half – he will just have to wait , how the cookie crumbles
7 Oct 2011, 08:00 am
@BreakdownBoy(goodstuff)-13:
Strange ,I thought the worst game we played was against Wales we were actually losing until JS was summonsed !!
Never had the feeling we would lose the Samoan game , at any point !!
7 Oct 2011, 08:13 am
The only misplaced loyalty at this stage is Butch over De Jongh. Misplaced loyalty is keeping Butch in the match 22, I mean Lambie can cover 10.
7 Oct 2011, 08:17 am
These Keolites are determined to for divisions. Really distrubing. Talking to Butch and Bissie and asking how it feels to ride the bench? The right decision has been made. Smit is playing well and Bissie creates a huge impact.
7 Oct 2011, 08:19 am
This is a CR@P article. Where are the Bismarck quotes???
7 Oct 2011, 08:23 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-12: Exactly, you gimp. Thats what you do for your nation. Its not about him. I couldn’t give a cr@p if Bissie is crying himself to sleep at night, its the team that matters. You do what is asked of you, because to do anything else at this stage is not good for the team.
Having said that, I imagine that this article is completely made up, as there is absolutley no supporting evidence.
7 Oct 2011, 08:33 am
@BreakdownBoy(goodstuff)-13: the “worst game was samoa” hahahaha you’re dreaming, did you watch the wales game?
7 Oct 2011, 08:34 am
I am in the minority when I say this, I know, BUT starting with John Smit is the right thing to do, I remember paying a fortune for a trip to Wales in’99 when our best captain in years Teichman was dropped for Skinstad, do we all remember how that turned out. If Gary was playing that saturday against the ozzies I think our next game would have been against France, FOR A BACK TO BACK WORLD CUP. Lets not repeat that error, Bismark is an excellent player, and will get game time, of that I have no doubt. But lets learn from our errors of the past, I am pretty sure Nick Mallet would do it differently given a chance………
7 Oct 2011, 08:37 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-24: hehehe yes ride the bench for a guy who can’t even HOLD a candle for you at your franchise. i like Plum, he is a nearly-astute kiwi, he saw through the bullshit about the “aura” and pdv nudging him to play smit and kept him on the bench for 78min against the bulle @ loftus because he wanted to win and to win you play your best.
7 Oct 2011, 08:44 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-27: Not the point, right or wrong, you do whats asked of you for your country at the World Cup.
Personally I think this is all just made up Keo rumours anyway.
Comparing S15 to WC rugby. Come on trannsie, wake the hell up. Cooper is the best S15 10 in the world, nowhere near the top 5 in tests, let alone WCs. Stop being niave and try see the real picture.
7 Oct 2011, 08:46 am
@surreyshark4(surreyshark4)-26: I agree with you, but I don’t agree that we are the minority. Tactics with Bissie perfect at this stage, to have him starting and John coming on, just doesn’t make any sense.
7 Oct 2011, 08:54 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-28: no naivety from my side whatsoever, you’re just willing to accept and go along with a bullshit “aura” story whereas i don’t buy it, fair enough.
7 Oct 2011, 09:02 am
It does not end with the Bizzie/Smitty saga. There is no way on earth Morne Steyn should play ahead of Butch James especially if we are talking horses for courses. This selection has literally thrown Genia / Cooper a bone to play with. I also believe if I were looking for a starting 15 for this game Hougaard ahead of Habana would be high on my list. All we can do now is pray.
7 Oct 2011, 09:06 am
@surreyshark4(surreyshark4)-26:
Have to agree with you on this one. You have to look at the team dynamic. Having Bissie and Hougaard on the bench, itching to get out there actually benefits the team in a whole.
7 Oct 2011, 09:08 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-30: I suppose you would go with Bissie to start and Chilli off the bench? Surely you’re not saying John should come off the bench?
Basically if I look at those 2 scenarios, I see a fair amount of niaveness. In fact the first one is so unlikely, you might as well still be pushing Butch like Stormpooper here.
7 Oct 2011, 09:09 am
@pakslae(pakslae)-32: EXACTLY!!!! Its a good thing, not a negative. The last 20 minutes is hugely important.
7 Oct 2011, 09:11 am
Our strength at this world cup is our bench. That is all thanks to Bismarck being on the bench amongst other players. It has worked well so far having Bismarck come on at 50 mins. Why re-invent the wheel? Smit has also been playing well this World Cup.
7 Oct 2011, 09:14 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-35: Welcome to the sane group. Watch out for the loonies, they’re hiding everywhere!
7 Oct 2011, 09:22 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-9: Thats S14 rugby not WC rugby , huge difference just ask the All Blacks. Matfield showed once again last week that the Captaincy is not something he enjoys , at one stage Schalk was leading the pack. Matfield much better without the captaincy , if not Smit I would ironically give it to the other player that many feel should not be in the team and that is Jean De Villiers.
7 Oct 2011, 09:26 am
So, it is vital to start with JS because of his captaincy .. but it’s ok to play the last 25 min without it???
Makes no sense, especially since we won the Wales game without john and Matfield on the field.
JS is a better scrummager than Bismark. Really?
Just how does one see or prove that .. absolute ****, your props and locks have allot to do with that.
JS throws in better at the lineout’s than Bismark. Really?
Maybe by a balls hair, if ever that much
Bismark is by far the better No2 and rugby player. Why is john starting and not Bismark? Why is john even in the match 22?
Who the %$#@ knows … and I really don’t care anymore because people will see and believe what they want to see and believe
That said, even with our strongest team not on the field the Boks still stand a 50/50 chance of winning the game, despite john smit being there. There are too many permutations to consider regarding weather, players attitudes, the bounce of the ball extra, the refs interpretation at the break downs and rucks, ext.
Would I bet my house on the Boks beating the Aussies, no .. then again I would not bet my house on them coming home either.
7 Oct 2011, 09:27 am
@pakslae(pakslae)-32: Agreed as i said before our bench will win this World Cup for us. Also guys like Alberts and Aplon add great impact when introduced from the bench.
7 Oct 2011, 09:35 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-39: And there is a loonie rant from Paws!! He can’t tell who scrums and throws better, but Bismarck is definately the better hooker????
The fact is Bismarcks skill sets suites the bench, whilst John’s suite the early stages. It doesn’t matter who is the better “rugby player”, its about what each individual brings to the teams gameplan.
7 Oct 2011, 09:41 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-35:
Bismarck has exceptional natural strength, he’s almost a freak of nature to me. So he’ll always make an impact coming off the bench against a tiring pack.
We won’t benefit much starting him as that physical strength and ball carrying ability will be nullified in the early stages of the game. We will actually lose that advantage we have over other teams.
The same can be said to a certain extent about Hougaard. He’s more deadly when the game opens up in the last quarter.
7 Oct 2011, 09:46 am
@pakslae(pakslae)-41: Yup.
7 Oct 2011, 09:48 am
@pakslae(pakslae)-41: Agreed. They will receive their chance to start next year in a new team dynamic. Within the current team dynamic they are perfectly suited on the bench. Although it also wont hurt if they started also.
7 Oct 2011, 09:50 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-43: Wow, sanity is prevailing. This is amazing. Where are the loonies??
7 Oct 2011, 09:53 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-40:
Nit pick all you want, looking at the semantics of the sentence instead of the substance … like i said, I don’t care anymore … if the Boks win, great, if not, I’m not going to go into a depression.
I’ll be up at 7:00 on Sunday morning hopefully enjoying a good game of rugby and supporting my team the Boks.
7 Oct 2011, 09:54 am
The loonies have been vanquished!!!
7 Oct 2011, 09:56 am
Smit is a major weakness and this conversation should have put to be bed two years ago. Surely the trinatiobs game where Genia ran rings around him and he missed 5/6 tackles. Should have been the final final straw
7 Oct 2011, 09:59 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-46: Oh no, typed to soon.
@Paws(Paws)-45: What semantics? You caregorically state that Bismarck is the better hooker, but give no evidence regarding his throwing and scrumming, the 2 primary roles of a hooker. In fact you do the opposite, you say it can’t be proved and no-one really knows and in fact lean towards John.
Is that not what you said? And if that is true, how can you definately know that Bismarck is the better Hooker. Maybe he is, but is he the better starting hooker? I know he adds more impact then John after 60, and I believe leaving John out of the 22 at this stage is just lunancy.
I mean, I am having sleepless nights, imagine what the players are going through.
7 Oct 2011, 10:01 am
@Olivergm(Olivergm)-47: He’s improved since then, his fitness is up and our defensive system is better. That said he was a weakness in the 3N, but he needed the game time.
7 Oct 2011, 10:04 am
@Olivergm(Olivergm)-47: I agree Smit should of retired about a year ago after he got his 100th cap. That game that you are talking about was a few months ago. Surely that would of been too late to drop him.
Seeing that Smit is in the squad right now and is teh official squad captain who would you start Smit or Bismarck?
7 Oct 2011, 10:08 am
Both our hookers can’t play 80 minutes – they get tired. Bismarck showed this against Samoa where he slipped a lot of tackles in the last 20. So you are going to have to replace your starting hooker, are we all agreed?
So if that is the case then, I’d rather start with John because of his calmness and his tight atributes that he brings to the game, also Bissie is a Beast in the last 20 and lifts the whole tempo, something I don’t think John is capable of. So really the only other option is to have Chilli playing in the last 20 with John out the 22 – which is pure lunancy.
7 Oct 2011, 10:09 am
@Paws(Paws)-45: Thats the right attitude to have….support your country no matter what.
7 Oct 2011, 10:09 am
@Paws(Paws)-45:
Yeah, I think it’s time we all get behind our team for a change and stop b1tching and moaning about selections. This John Smit and Spies bashing is really getting stale now.
7 Oct 2011, 10:13 am
@pakslae(pakslae)-53: Absolutely. For me, the coaching staff have done well with selections thus far. I would rather have De Jong and Beast on the bench instead of Butch and Aplon, but they probably have their reasons, so I’m going to trust them.
7 Oct 2011, 10:14 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-48:
Yawn … boring .. tired of going around in circles with the same old ****,
I don’t think js should even be there and that we have many better players in that position, and you think he should be there .. we will never convince each other otherwise, just make peace with that.
7 Oct 2011, 10:18 am
@Paws(Paws)-55: Sure, whatever, but how many articles do you see lauding Smit’s experience and leadership? And what about Steyn’s kicking and BMT? None all we see is this boring kak about Bissie and Butch. I mean what’s the agenda?
7 Oct 2011, 10:29 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-33: well i could turn around and point out the glaring stupidity in believing that john’s “aura” will win us games when it has NOT in the past, before the 2007 world cup john’s record against the tri-nations teams was sshit and even after that ledger is not looking good. i guess this “aura” works on the minnows like tonga, fiji, samoa, england, argentina
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-35: the crazy thing is we can have bismarck for 80 min but we choose to play him for 30 just to accommodate a has-been “aura” who we’ve lost more than we’ve won with him in the recent past!
7 Oct 2011, 10:31 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-56:
The agenda, easy, everybody wants the best for the Boks and generally that means they want the best players in and coaches for the team … and that is where everybody’s own perception of what the best is takes over.
7 Oct 2011, 10:36 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-57: Where have I mentioned “Aura”?
Bissie can’t play for 80 mins, few international hookers can. How many tackles did he slip in the last 30 of the Samoa game.
So read post 51 and tell me where you fit?
Probably in the lunatics box with Paws. Chilli instead of John??
7 Oct 2011, 10:38 am
@Paws(Paws)-58: But to be constantly be reporting negatives is not good for anyone. Sure you need it, but every day? I don’t understand it myself.
7 Oct 2011, 10:51 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-59:
PdeV and john have dug this hole for themselves .. most probably for different reasons. John most probably because he is smart and has now made himself indispensable, and PdeV because of blind faith or no backbone.
If Bismark had more game time as starting hooker he can easily play 80 min, his done it in the past and will do so in the future again … at international level.
Chilly has been left to get unfit and rot on the side, just a tourist. His had a very good year, establishing himself as the No1 hooker at the Bulls, and doing very well when coming on in the last 20 min or so in the tests his played .. offering much more than john did in the first 60 min.
If anything, I will never call john smit stupid, his played and balanced this game a long time (and we not talking rugby here), and will leave any ANC and 2nd car salesman blushing with embarrassment at their own incompetence when compared with him.
7 Oct 2011, 10:58 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-60:
Negativity and bad news sells and creates discussions and interaction .. this site is after all a business.
Plus, they most probably believe in what they are writing and don’t see it as being negative, simply stating what they see as the obvious truth.
… and it’s all about perception. You see it as negative because you don’t agree, others agree and don’t see it as a negative article but a statement of validation in the truth they believe.
7 Oct 2011, 10:59 am
@Paws(Paws)-61: Wow, you’re pretty bitter.
The reason John is there, is because, like many other people, he believes SA has a better chance of retaining the cup with him leading than without him. To liken him to a 2nd hand car salesman is ridiculous. Have some respect. Just because he doesn’t agree with you or Bissie, doesn’t make him a bad person. He has always had to deal with this **** all through his carreer, its part of what makes him great.
Win or lose, John Smit remains a great leader and player and we’re lucky to have him.
So get over yourself, and start living your own words, cause you don’t sound like a Bok fan to me.
7 Oct 2011, 11:01 am
In the tight JS offers us more than Bismark.
7 Oct 2011, 11:02 am
@Paws(Paws)-62: Ya, I understand that, but couldn’t you get the same reaction with the opposite argument? Its just you’d expect a certain amount of bias towards SA in an SA website, but the Keolites seem intent on division and digging up conspiracy theories.
7 Oct 2011, 11:07 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-63: ah haaaa… there goes the fusty sanctimonious “this is how a Bok fan behaves” attitude. it was there from the get. any opinion rather than a fawning one over john renders one a traitor or NOT a Bok fan
typical sharks supporter know-it-all mentality. you are no better “Bok fan” than Paws because you think John walks on water bwahahaaha
7 Oct 2011, 11:07 am
@Train(Train)-64: Agreed, but defensively he can only last 50-60 minutes. Its a perfect setup, I don’t know what the problem is.
The funny thing is, if Bissie comes on and blows the opposition away in the last 20, all the haters will be saying “I told you so”!!!
Its weird, people always want to fix something thats working.
Very scared and excited for this match!
7 Oct 2011, 11:08 am
@Train(Train)-64: slightly more but bissy KILLS john in the loose, no comparison.
7 Oct 2011, 11:14 am
And the debate continues. We can go around in circles on this issue, and get nowhere. The bottom line is that John IS starting on Sunday, and Bismark IS benching. The consequences of that decision will only come to light after 80min are played and them we can tear into it properly.
7 Oct 2011, 11:16 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-66:
Not at all. Its one thing not beleivng he’s good enough, but this statement shows something of a bitter resentment:
“If anything, I will never call john smit stupid, his played and balanced this game a long time (and we not talking rugby here), and will leave any ANC and 2nd car salesman blushing with embarrassment at their own incompetence when compared with him.”
And its this statement that highlights the difference in us:
“Nit pick all you want, looking at the semantics of the sentence instead of the substance … like i said, I don’t care anymore … if the Boks win, great, if not, I’m not going to go into a depression.”
While I’ll be sitting on my couch chewing my finger-nails off and whether John or Bissie let through the losing tackle I’ll be gutted – I’ll draw no pleasure from being wrong or right. And whether Morne or Butch score the winning points I’ll be ecstatic – my opinions won’t restrain my joy.
Come monday, if we win I’ll be on a high and depressed on Monday if we lose.
One gets the impression that you and Paws will be here saying “I told you so”.
But then, thats just an impression. Likening John Smit to a used car salesman is just disrespectful, whether or not he deserves to start.
7 Oct 2011, 11:18 am
I’d rather have Bizzy coming on early in the 2nd half than Smity, the impact will be greater. If the Wallabies create a strong early lead, perhaps bring on Bizzy inside the first half and trust the captaincy with Vic. Saying “Smit can no longer meet the standards of an international hooker” is completely wrong even if he doesnt match the worlds best hooker in Bizzy. Good luck Boks, you’re going to need to pull out a preformance of a lifetime to get to the Carterless AB’s.
7 Oct 2011, 11:20 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-63:
You call it bitter, I call being realistic and living in the real world.
So, if you are a fan or belong too an organization you should just blindly follow and be lead by the nose?
Seems a little like ‘sheep’ syndrome too me.
So, what you’re saying that by the same token I should respect people like Mad bob in Zim and juliass of the ANCYL because they are seen by some (strange enough by themselves as well) as good leaders?
… and let’s be clear, I did not say john is a bad person, I said he is a smart person .. if you were in his position and on the great wicket he was on, would you give it up so easy and willingly?
Human nature.
7 Oct 2011, 11:20 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-67: I get that feeling about South African’s too. Not just on the Blog, but everywhere. Saffas are scared about Sunday, and why shouldn’t they be, their biggest fear has come to pass. Going into this comp their plan was to top their group so as to avoid the Aussies. People would say in conversation, “Good thing we beat Wales, because we really don’t want to face Australia!” The plan all along was then to beat the Irish, and then face the Ab’s in the semi. That didn’t happen.
7 Oct 2011, 11:21 am
@umbhoxoswede(umbhoxoswede)-71: Agreed.
7 Oct 2011, 11:22 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-70: Agreed
7 Oct 2011, 11:23 am
Do you guys resale think that Snor has made all these decisions on the squad by himself, the great and good of South African rugby at the world cup(i know we left some of the brains trust at home) have made a joint decision on this squad of 22 – and i for one believe given all circumstances have got it pretty right,
7 Oct 2011, 11:25 am
@Paws(Paws)-72: What I’m saying Paws is likening John Smit to Bob and Julius is ridiculous and points to a personal agenda.
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-73: One hell of a game coming up.
7 Oct 2011, 11:27 am
“There was also a rumour that he’d reacted badly to the news that he would be riding the bench, and that the head coach was unimpressed with this reaction”. I thought this was old news and Bizzy had already fielded questions about it, explaining it and his support for Smit his Cpt?. What player, however good, isn’t pissed at not making the run on side?? If this is an altogether NEW RUMOUR since the latest team announcement, whats your source?. And anyway perhaps it’ll have him so fired up that his off the bench performance will rock the awesome Wallabies, so not all bad.
7 Oct 2011, 11:29 am
@umbhoxoswede(umbhoxoswede)-78: Its just normal Keo bullsh!te. I’m here for the bloggers Keo is absolutely clueless. Its a pity we can’t all meet on a different site where cheap journalist tricks aren’t the norm.
7 Oct 2011, 11:29 am
@surreyshark4(surreyshark4)-76: …the coaching staff have made a joint decision, there isnt just one brain behind it. I’m looking forward to reading the piles of autobiographies coming out after this campaign.
7 Oct 2011, 11:37 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-77:
I’m saying just because one is a “leader” you don’t need to automatically respect, follow and believe in them.
7 Oct 2011, 11:42 am
JC,
Might I suggest you get in touch with Ewen McKenzie, the Super Rugby winning coach. Mark has his contact details, they are mates.
Engage Ewen in his views on modern rugby, specifically relating to 22-man rugby and why a guy that wears number 22 on his jersey is as important as the guy wearing numbers 1 to 15.
Ask him why he prefers to look at his players as starters, and finishers, and how important both are.
I know its a gross generalization, but I am continually surprised how South African coaches, players, pundits (and fans for most part) fail to understand 22-man rugby…
7 Oct 2011, 11:42 am
@Paws(Paws)-81: So say that you don’t respect, follow or believe in John Smit. Likening him to a used carsalesman, Mad Bob and Julius is ridiculous and makes you sound like you hold the moral compass.
Its a pity you fell so strongly against him, your personal feelings could be clouding your rugby analysis.
7 Oct 2011, 11:45 am
Well. JS was chosen months ago and we have to live with that. It’s not news…. Keo’s journos are earning a luxury salary by singing the same tune over and over.
Nobody ever said JS would stand back for Bissie in the knock-out games… or rather anyone intelligent. Keo’s journos started that rumor in their blogs to try and ‘pressure’ the change. Probably would have worked a few years ago, but there is a ban on Keo’s articles… which is why these journos go all out to destroy PDV and the Boks.
Point is, Bissie is a great player, definitely better than JS, but he’s also not faultless. Like he showed us in the Samoa game where he forgot his job as a tight-forward and time-after-time tried to ‘upstage’ Brussow and Burger.
For example, it was embarrassing where he stood back when the mauls started with Brussow at the back handling the ball and he came in to force the balls out of his hands. Hey, we know he can do the job well, but that’s not his job!!! He is NOT a loosie! He is failing the boks. He is supposed to be putting his strength into the maul! I’ll give him the credit for our mauls not functioning to the maximum thanks to his repeated attempts to take the spot light.
7 Oct 2011, 11:45 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-82: Woohooo PA is back with a harcsh dose of reality!!!!
Same mistake was made with Bobby, was he EVER as good as during the ’98 3N from the bench. I’m not saying people can’t grow into starting positions (Bissie could easily start), but using his particular skills to finish a game seems wise to me!!
7 Oct 2011, 11:48 am
@Bouts(Bouts)-84: Good analysis, I never considered the mauls. John’s always in the middle of them. I guess I’d rather play my 4th loosie in the last 20 when we really need him.
7 Oct 2011, 11:57 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-83:
One would think .. but luckily I don’t.
Good thing for me I’m not the only one that thinks Bismark is a better rugby player than him .. over 80 or 20 min.
7 Oct 2011, 12:01 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-86:
We have a total of 6 players in the match 22 who are international loosies – perhaps we can discount Danie as he is now a starting lock.
Fact remains, most will tell you this game will be won at the tackled situation. The Boks have Schalk, Heinrich, Brussow, Flo, Alberts, Bismarck either starting or coming on to make an impact.
The Aussies have 4 locks in their team as far as I can tell with only Pocock and perhaps Elsom (who is out of form).
I think the team selection for the Boks are actually very clever. It is now just up to those guys to go and execute.
7 Oct 2011, 12:02 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-88:
Small error of course, Bismarck is not an international loosie but he sure as hell plays like one.
7 Oct 2011, 12:06 pm
Can’t wait to see the back of Plod, the other fat boys and the clown trio.
Why are people surprised to learn that the starting XV for the knockout matches was settled 2 years ago?
7 Oct 2011, 12:08 pm
Any case, must be off again, just popped in quickly. Cheers.
7 Oct 2011, 12:11 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-91: No don’t leave us alone with this lot. My problem is that with the Aussies picking Sharpe on the bench, couldn’t they target our lineouts when our loosies come on and stifle our momentum?
7 Oct 2011, 12:13 pm
@Paws(Paws)-87:
“Smit is a better #2 than B Dup. It’s obvious in the scrums and mauls. Plus he’s the best capatin we’ve got.
Makes sense to play him.
We ‘need’ Biisy as a losie simply because the losies are not all doing their job. It’s the loosies that are the problem. Not the hooker.
If SA lose then look at some of the other players for a change. those that are worse performers by far than Smit.
Then look at the joke of a bench. They’ll come on if the game needs to be lost.
7 Oct 2011, 12:13 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-92:
Flo and Alberts are capable line out options, we are not losing a thing imo – not to say the line outs won’t be tough, it will be – Aus has as good a line out as SA.
7 Oct 2011, 12:14 pm
@Paws(Paws)-87: Please read post 82, even through your emotional red mist of hate for JS, maybe this will reach the tactical rugby part of your brain.
7 Oct 2011, 12:14 pm
But I have to leave you now – beer and braai – priorities!
7 Oct 2011, 12:17 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-94: Come on PA – Alberts for Danie and Flo for Spies? Surely that weakens our lineout and then simultaneasly the Aussies throw Sharpe on? Its a worry, especially if we are behind. If we ahead Sharpe is negated and Dean’s gamble fails.
7 Oct 2011, 12:18 pm
Aussies have no chance. no experience, flyhalf that has head rushes, used to running from deep, centre pairing very inexperienced when compared to ours, best lock on the bench and their only good loose forward coming back from injury, probably not last the game. We will soften them in scrums, disrupt their line-outs and stifle their counter attacks. I’m saying Boks to win by 20.
7 Oct 2011, 12:20 pm
For me the Smit/Bissie issue is not the biggest selection blunder … why the powers that be believe Spies should start is truly the question …
7 Oct 2011, 12:22 pm
@Ballbag(Ballbag)-99: I think its his ability at the back of the lineout.
7 Oct 2011, 12:27 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-95:
Yep, agree 100% … can’t wait for the day we start with Bismark and have Chilli or Free State hooker (name escapes me at present) on the bench to cover.
This should have started to happen in 2008/9 or at the latest 2010.
Now alas we are stuck and it hopefully won’t cost us.
7 Oct 2011, 12:32 pm
Let the loonies rule for now. I’m out of here.
7 Oct 2011, 12:41 pm
This Bissie/Smit issue/debate is becoming increasingly boring….
The folks on this sites comments just goes around in circles….. I’ll wait till Sunday afternoon when all will be revealed.
7 Oct 2011, 12:41 pm
There once was a coach for the Aussies
Who picked his guys in the wrong pozzies
He’s chosen four locks
To take on the Boks
So we’ll swot them like small yellow mozzies
7 Oct 2011, 12:45 pm
You make a strong argument Jon – at least Smit is not coming on as an impact player of counter-impact; last week his performace was DIABOLICAL; one give-away free kick after dithering on the throw-in (his umpteenth lost throwing in at a crucial moment) and then penalized and yellow-carded ALL IN THE SPACE OF THREE MINUTES – it’s because of this unprecendented incompetence that Smit might just come to the table because he owes us one – that’s not my logical head talking but gambler’s intuition.
Wallabies have edged an under-performing Boks side in recent years; this Bok side is firing – we’ll see; Boks to go through – NZ populace believe that and for that reason are shouting Australia. We’ll win the game at forward – Pocock has not had to confront Brussouw – that is only one of the differences and the Irish forwards showed how to beat them, by raw physicality, which is our strong suit – Smit needs to bang his body into them as hard as he can for the period he is on and get around a lot more; the change will come when our impact players come on. You have to admit Bismarck is seismic as an impact player – and so is Alberts/Hougaard.
Morne to do the conversions – Boks by more than 7 points. (With the proviso that we are dead for sure, if they have the maniac idea to play him at tighthead)
7 Oct 2011, 12:49 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-102:
Here is a thought out of the blue … you might be wrong and considered loony for your view point.
Use it … don’t.
Have a good weekend and enjoy the game (games)
7 Oct 2011, 13:08 pm
Ratel Brussow you a f’ng Moron of thwarted highest degree. I’m telling you straight out Smit over Bismark is the biggest dumb fck move any coach could make and he’s sold his entire TEAM down the f’ng river because of that ONE DUMB FCK IDIOTIC DECISION Which actually decries belief.
Its actually for my money a worse decision than Mallet dropping Teichman for Skinstad because Mallet was at least looking to improve his team even though his reasoning was unfounded and wrong he saw potential of a younger more gifted player coming in to enhance his overall attack force, even though his decision making and rationale was totally wrong in The Teichman / Skinstad case the motivation behind his thinking was improvement not regression.
In this Smit / Bismark scenario it is exactly reversed. By keeping faith in a decrepit useless and hopeless overrated passenger in The form of John Smit over a far more destructive, mobile, more energetic physical and motivated force such as Bismark you have effectively fckd this team RIGHT UP!!
You dumb imbecile moron supreme.
Now you wanna come with your fckup rationale that Bismark must simply swallow the disappointment up and suck up that fat f’ng passengers arse who he is CARRYING on HIS OWN SHOULDERS game after f’ng game shows exactly what a dumb fck pathetic idiotic moron dunce you actually are.
Smit is the one Fckng up the morale of the team NOT Bismark.. Smit should be the one to FCK OFF out the way for the overall betterment of the team, NOT Bismark must suck hind f’ng titty while this overrated self glorified f’ng poephol continues to lead his f’ng team into the MIRE and into the f’ng MUD…
Smit has had his overrated time in The sun now its time for Bismark to shine and produce for the team dynamic what Smit CANNOT.!!
This has only one possible outcome Boks are going down.. ,and its a DIRECT result of this dumb fck f’ng BLINDNESS playing the f’ng has been palooka useless lardass passenger over a fired up and raring to go Bismark.
You a f’ng CLOWN you moronic f’ng imbecile and your rugby knowledge and credibility sucks the same way as your hero hump of a useless captains lardass hopeless rump does.
And what’s more if Smit CANNOT be effective off the wood which is AT BEST where he belongs, then Chiliboy would most definitely be a FAR better call to come off the wood if your dumb fck reasoning tell you Smit gotta start because of your f’ng dumb fck COMPROMISE to CARRY him, then Chiliboy should be on bench behind Bismark.
Stupid moronic nonentity of a rugby boffins arsehole thick as two bricks dunce !!
7 Oct 2011, 13:11 pm
@Train(Train)-64:
@Transformation(Transformation)-68:
dont forget bismarck still throws in skeef far too much for a ’1st choice world class hooker’…
john surprisingly enough still bests him at a number of things.
7 Oct 2011, 13:21 pm
If Cardinelli’s observation and anecdote of Bismarck reacting badly is true then the Boks have a problem.
If, however, this is a Keo shitstirring stunt then shame on them.
I would tend to go for the latter due to Keo and cronies having history as a People/You magazine equivalent to journalistic integrity, accuracy and insight.
Bismarck’s disappointment to not starting is plausible, but like the Butch vs Morne false dichotomy that has been portrayed on this site, I don’t believe them.
So, Cardinelli, only fools believe yours and the rest of the gang’s shy.te now after much cry wolf and agenda driven reporting. We know you have to move some Butch books, but what could the agenda be around Bismarck.
Surely it can’t be as simple as the truth?
7 Oct 2011, 13:23 pm
@Paws(Paws)-106: By the way, off the topic, what is your opinion of Luke Watson?
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-107: wow couldn’t even get through half that drivel, but from what I can understand you are basically falling into the Mallet trap, drop your captain for “progression”.
@Paws(Paws)-106: Come on dude, you with the loonies, just read post 107!
7 Oct 2011, 13:23 pm
Pity the Bok coach and selectors are MORONS
7 Oct 2011, 13:25 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-2:
Great comment
I feel the same way
F-uck Snort and his moron selectors
7 Oct 2011, 13:26 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-109:
They’re probably looking to suck up to the players they know will be in the Boks post RWC.
7 Oct 2011, 13:28 pm
Leadership – JS
Throwing – JS
Scrumming – JS
Defence – BD
Ball Carrying – BD
Turn overs – BD
Mauling – JS
Do people agree? If not where don’t you?
Given this is roughly correct, shouldn’t Bissie be the impact player or the starting 6?
7 Oct 2011, 13:29 pm
@surreyshark4(surreyshark4)-26: @Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-28: Good posts chaps
7 Oct 2011, 13:30 pm
@David(David)-113: Aha. :lightbulb:
7 Oct 2011, 13:31 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-114: Good one, but I would put Bismarck under mauling too. He or Ratel are normally the guys carrying the ball at the back of rolling thunder.
7 Oct 2011, 13:34 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-117: Yup, but is that a hookers job? If Ratel is an obvious starter, surely the hooker would be better utilised actually inside the maul?
7 Oct 2011, 13:35 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-117: And under no circumstance should Bissy be starting 6. Madness.
Dippy has one hooker who he thinks is the best in the world, and another who everybody else thinks is the best in the world. So why not get the best of both worlds and play both.
Barney starting and Bismarck impacting is probably better than vice versa.
7 Oct 2011, 13:37 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-118: Nope, many hookers carry the ball, Steve Thompson and Hartley carry the ball for an England maul and Chippendale for France… Part of the JD.
7 Oct 2011, 13:41 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-119: Ja, that was a bit of tongue and cheek, but your reply kind of highlighted the point. Normally the guy who controls the ball at the back is one of the smaller players. England at their best had Back. All I’m saying is that our maul will be more effective with Smit/Bissie pushing in the middle and Ratel carrying than with Ratel pushing in the middle and Bissie carrying. Don’t you agree?
7 Oct 2011, 13:46 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-121: Being small is not the factor that counts here, rather it is the player from who it is most difficult for the opposition to rip the ball off…
- either low centre of gravity
- strength in upper body
- Both
Having Bismarck carry the ball is doubly potent because he is able to come off the back of the maul and make more ground on his own.
7 Oct 2011, 13:47 pm
this is the best article thats been written in ages, its way overdue too.
7 Oct 2011, 13:49 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-122: So no I don’t agree. I reckon the Bok maul is as potent as it gets, however Refs dont quite have a handle on blowing the maul properly in this WC, with opposition players regularly allowed to come from the sides.
7 Oct 2011, 13:50 pm
@cab(cab)-123: You would say that. Actually the article is poor, nothing more than innuendo.
7 Oct 2011, 13:51 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-109:
put yourself in bismarck’s shoes, how would you feel?
7 Oct 2011, 13:52 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-122: So you believe SAs maul is better with Ratel pushing and Bissie carrying? Maybe, if we are in ascendency, for the ball carrying aspect, but to actually gain forward momentum our maul is stronger with Smit pushing and Ratel controlling. Pretty much semantics, but since Ratel is planned to play 80, surely we’d be better suited with Bissie pushing.
7 Oct 2011, 13:52 pm
@cab(cab)-126: Excited.
7 Oct 2011, 13:54 pm
in out-and-out dynamic strength, there is noone in the bok pack that vaguely matches bismarck, other than alberts, and he;s not playing either.
7 Oct 2011, 13:56 pm
@cab(cab)-126: As Bismarck I would be concentrating on my game and what is required of me for when I come onto the field.
I know I will have the opportunity to influence the outcome of the game. I will be happy for my mentor to do the trench warfare and softening up for me, so that I can make a grand entrance and take the plaudits.
Easy peasy.
My mentors efforts make me look good.
7 Oct 2011, 13:56 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-128:
sure you would, you are arguably the best forward in the world and you cannot even run onto the field for a quarter-final at your peak, instead you will have to play second fiddle to a player you and everyone else knows you are better than who has already had his chance at two previous world cups.
Sure you would – next time you got a colleague who gets chosen for the promotion despite being less able, make sure u are excited.
7 Oct 2011, 13:56 pm
@cab(cab)-129: Being on the bench is different to not playing. PLEASE read post 82?
7 Oct 2011, 13:58 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-130:
oh right, this i want to see, i want to see you put others before yourself when you are the better candidate, what a load of cobblers. you actually a true socialist who wouldve thought hey.
7 Oct 2011, 13:58 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-127: Both are great carriers, which is a bonus for ball security. I am sure with either pushing their is not much difference in the overall “steamroll” forward.
7 Oct 2011, 13:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-134: should be “there is”
7 Oct 2011, 13:59 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-114:
Hi Ratel – Bismarck is way ahead in all aspects – his throwing is not great but he doesn’t make mistakes regularly at crucial moments like Smit. You had Smit ahead in scrumming and mauling – no contest in Bissie’s favour.
He doesn’t purport to be a leader he just plays. The question then is of Smit’s leadership. I have heard form good sources that the players rate him highly; but it’s hard to see why on his current form, which is way below international standard. He has been so unconvincing and made so many errors in the last two years that maybe he will surprise us all with something match-winning this weekend – that is the gambler in me talking not my logic.
If they have the brainwave to play him again at tighthead we’re toast.
7 Oct 2011, 14:00 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-110:
One loony does not an asylum make. Some people are just more …. mmmm, ‘expressive’ in there explanations ..
On Luke … he was a good player and was unlucky not to get a Bok squad call-up on merit in 2005 or was it 2006. Since then he stood behind a few others in the queue. It was a mistake to force him on the Bok management.
He did himself no favors with his ‘vomit on the Springbok jersey’ saga.
The best thing he ever did was leave SA and play overseas. I’ve only seen about 3 games since his return and think we have much better. I’m not really a fan.
7 Oct 2011, 14:01 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-132:
Bismarck wants to start, he wants to play the game and win the test for his team, he wants to confirm that he is the best hooker in the world and not a side-note cameo to Smit. This is why bismarck was fuming when he was taken off the pitch when playing for new zealand and had played his utter heart out to win the test. He wants to play, he is burning to play. He does’nt want to get 25mins at the end of the game to pull back a salvage job when he’s pack has already been stuffed up.
7 Oct 2011, 14:01 pm
@cab(cab)-131: You asked me how I would feel in his shoes? Excitement is how I’d feel. Imagine being given the oppertunity to play for your country in the WC quarterfinal!!! Stupid example with job promotion. A better question would be how does Beast feel? I’m sure he’s gutted, but you accept it and move on. As for Bissie I’m sure he’s chomping at the bit to get on the pitch and is full of excitement and maybe some nerves. I don’t believe he is sulking and if he is, then maybe he shouldn’t even be in the match 22.
7 Oct 2011, 14:02 pm
@cab(cab)-133: Its called being a team man. And actually is a very self interested act of co-operation to make myself, as Bismarck, look good.
Its working so far, I look as if I am the best Hooker…no, the best damn forward on the planet. (Which I didnt really look like when I started vs Samoa)
7 Oct 2011, 14:03 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-135: Surely Bismarck is a better pusher he’s heavier and stronger.
7 Oct 2011, 14:05 pm
@Paws(Paws)-137: Similar sentiments.
7 Oct 2011, 14:07 pm
@cab(cab)-138: All you can say is what a player wants, well this is not a 1st team school side, this is not even a provincial side, this is a National Rugby side and you bloody well do what the team needs you to do. Especially at a World Cup.
7 Oct 2011, 14:07 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-141: Maybe so. And sure he does push, like for the Sharks, when Daniel or Botes are the carriers.
I will watch the mauls carefully on Sun. Interesting one, to observe Ratel and Bissy.
7 Oct 2011, 14:08 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-139:
I’m asing you to consider yourself to be bismarck, not ratel brussow, to be the best forward in the world and not to be able to prove and show that at the pinnacle of rugby tournaments that happens once every 4 years, to know that you will never be this good or fit again, to know that you can help your team to beat these top teams and you have done so when picked to start – but instead you are told you have to play 2nd fiddle to a player that is inferior to you.
Everyone knows this. Following the terrible results in 2008, 2009 was a must win scenario. As a result bismarck was started at 2 and smit shifted to 3, it resulted in the best year the Boks have had since readmission. Now since smit has decided he cannot play 3 its back to 2, and this is 2 years later when he’s now 32 and nowhere near the rampaging prescuence of bismark – the gap has widened even more. And yet they now pick smit again – he’s lost 5 of the last 6 tests vs oz.
7 Oct 2011, 14:09 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-140: Good one……”Its working so far, I look as if I am the best Hooker…no, the best damn forward on the planet. (Which I didnt really look like when I started vs Samoa)”
Great quote!!!
7 Oct 2011, 14:09 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-22: Well said
7 Oct 2011, 14:10 pm
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-108: john throws skeef too mate don’t even go there.
7 Oct 2011, 14:11 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-144: Interesting indeed. Actually Bouts pointed out the maul thing to me.
7 Oct 2011, 14:11 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-140:
oh right, so you obviously go to work for the team, next time you get passed over for promotion or daddy’s seun gets selected or what ook al, just remember its the team or company that counts.
The correct team decision here is to start your best players – it is a fundamental principle of fair selection that the best player starts. This is also better for the team. How can Smit be better for the team, when teh results show that Bismarck is better for the team?
7 Oct 2011, 14:13 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-149: It could be a good weapon against the Wobblies. I remember Lawrence reffing the maul quite well when he reffed the first BI Lions test.
7 Oct 2011, 14:14 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-107: You are so pathetic that words actually fail me.
You are the PDV fan and don’t you forget it.
Imagine how you will feel if the boks win the RWC or indeed this quarter f with John starting and as our CAPTAIN.
You are the fool on the hill that the Beatles sang about ..
7 Oct 2011, 14:15 pm
@cab(cab)-145: Even if all of what you say is true (and its debatable at best), then I would still be excited. Its a RWC quarter and I can still play my part from the bench.
7 Oct 2011, 14:15 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-143:
ja and u should listen to yourself, under what criteria is smit better for the team – show me the results? what the team needs is for bismark to play as long as possible. What do you think it would be best for the team if Dan Carter or Quade Cooper did not player, or what about Brussow? Perhaps its best for the team for Brussow to sit out?
7 Oct 2011, 14:15 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-146:
Bismark had a good, steady game agains Samoa .. nothing flashy but did his graft and did it well.. Would john have done any better .. we will never know because he was on the field for 2 – 3 min, made two mistakes and got sent off.
7 Oct 2011, 14:16 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-124:
also ‘fake’ collapsing it without any penalties for doing so.
7 Oct 2011, 14:17 pm
@cab(cab)-150: My, my… Its seems you really have the wrong end of the ***** here. I as Bismarck wont feel passed over… In fact I am seen as the hero… the main man. I would feel like a hero too – the Bok saviour.
Dippy is starting Smit, who he thinks is the best in the world, and finishing with Bismarck, who everyone else thinks is the best in the world… Win win all round.
7 Oct 2011, 14:18 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-153:
yeah I would say its far more debatable that what you say is true, which is that smit is better to start for the team than bismarck.
We all want the Boks to win, very dearly, but that means picking the best players to give your team the chance to do exactly that, win, which is what the game is ultimately all about.
7 Oct 2011, 14:18 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-114:
agreed, except on mauling.
neither really the go to men but if its one of them then i’d say bissy.
7 Oct 2011, 14:18 pm
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-156: Yeah. Farken irritating. Aussie and Welsh refs the worst culprits.
7 Oct 2011, 14:20 pm
@cab(cab)-154: Obviously Dan and Brussow are best for the team, but I actually think that Cooper dropping out would be a blessing for the Aussies.
No doubt you will disagree strongly, cause you blinded by the dazzle.
7 Oct 2011, 14:21 pm
@Paws(Paws)-155: Good steady game, but surely didn’t look like the world’s best forward like Cab is saying?
7 Oct 2011, 14:22 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-157:
bollocks, anyone at this level has the drive to be the very best and to match themselves against the best, why the fk should they have to sit out for an inferior player? The team man steps aside for the better player, not the other way around, the other way round is completely stupid, that is what Smit should be doing, that is supposedly what all the rhetoric in his book was all about. Please.
7 Oct 2011, 14:23 pm
Until we are Bismarks shoes and been ‘done in’ as he has I don’t think one of us can really understand how he feels or prescribe how he should feel.
7 Oct 2011, 14:23 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-161: Cooper the magician can be truly dangerous, but the Paddy’s showed that with the right pressure, Cooper is truly Campo-esque with brainfarts. Hopefully the Boks can set a trap for him and then nail him to the wall.
7 Oct 2011, 14:24 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-161:
Obviously? So what is not obvious about Bismarck starting? I actually think its equal obvious, if not more so, that Bismark starts. Not least of which because Brussow is not half the force he is behind a beaten pack, as we saw against australia 6 weeks ago when pocock outplayed him.
7 Oct 2011, 14:24 pm
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-159: Fair enough. My point is that Smit gets stuck into the maul, whilst Bissie hangs back and looks after the ball. Given Ratel is in the side, I’d then say that Smits contribution to the mauls, up to now, is more valuable.
7 Oct 2011, 14:26 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-162:
Sean Fitzpatrick, one of the greatest hookers of alltime and one of the greatest captains, who might actually know something about rugby and forward play – said that the very first name he would select on a World XV teamsheet of any foward, would be Bismarck Du Plessis.
7 Oct 2011, 14:27 pm
@cab(cab)-163: But he doesn’t sit out. He plays and makes an impact where it counts… after Barney has done all the donkey work and trench warfare… Bissy can then storm over the top and take all the glory… It suits him down to the ground.
7 Oct 2011, 14:28 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-162:
On average he most certainly is among the best .. against Samoa just had one of the more quiet ones I would say, and even then he offered quite a bit.
Love watching him and Brussow in tandem
7 Oct 2011, 14:29 pm
@cab(cab)-166: Brussow played well that day, he was just coming back from injury and he didn’t have the gas in the end. Had to be substituted.
Anyway my point is.
JS throws better, scrums better and is a better leader. He is nowhere near to Bismarck in the loose, but the 1st half of a quarterfinal isn’t really expected to be loose.
7 Oct 2011, 14:29 pm
@cab(cab)-168: Yes, and he is a 100% right. But SA is lucky to have Barney too, so its win-win if we play them both at the right times during the game. And the right time is for Barney to start, with Bissy to finish and apply the knockout blow.
7 Oct 2011, 14:30 pm
@cab(cab)-168:
The same Fitzpatrick towards the end of his career who clearly with his powers having diminished kept the likes of Norm Hewitt,Anton Oliver,Matt Sexton on sidelines due to his “leadership” qualities around 1996-1997.If he hadnt retired due to knee injury he was an automatic choice in AB’s and no coach would have dropped the revered hooker.Even though they were better more dynamic young hooker at the time
7 Oct 2011, 14:31 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-169:
But ~Barney doesnt do any of the trench work, Barney stands off the rucks trying to anticipate play and make tackles, you will notice this in the 3N where the australasian backs rounded him for about 3 tries in every game. The reason we never won anything in the 3N for the last 2 years is because we have no players picked that are capable of giving go-forwards, i.e. Bismarck and ALberts. Whenever Bismarck plays the situation is totally different – the Bok pack is dominant. With Bakkies out, its absolutely non-negotiable that Bismarck should start.
7 Oct 2011, 14:31 pm
@Paws(Paws)-170: Me too, they work brilliantly together.
7 Oct 2011, 14:31 pm
@cab(cab)-133: HG is indeed a commie
7 Oct 2011, 14:32 pm
What a helpful article!
Why dont we use this title next:
“Why not condemn the Boks outright before the big game?”
or
“No matter who the coach selects, us journalists will play ‘turncoat’ in order to spin a story?”
CLOWNS, why not write something constructive on the eve of a play off?
7 Oct 2011, 14:32 pm
Best forwards in RWC:
Jerome Kaino
Shaun O’Brien
Cian Healy
7 Oct 2011, 14:33 pm
@cab(cab)-166: Of course Brussouw is a force behind any pack – he showed what he could do with a beaten pack against Waratahs when he single handedly farked them up.
You are wrong here. Ratel is a force of nature. And anyway, the Bok pack aint gonna be beaten by the Wobbly forwards, especially with Barney doing the softening up front and then Bissy applying the knockout punch.
7 Oct 2011, 14:33 pm
Cardineli – what a piece of lamb!
7 Oct 2011, 14:33 pm
@cab(cab)-174:
Smit or Spies
I choose Smit
Alberts in
7 Oct 2011, 14:33 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-178: Heirich Brussow
7 Oct 2011, 14:35 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-178: With imagination I would say:
Gorgodze
Tincu
Warburton
7 Oct 2011, 14:35 pm
At least if we lose then Plod would be the reason. If we win then Bissies introduction would have been the reason. Fair comment???
7 Oct 2011, 14:36 pm
@cab(cab)-163:
no!
the better player steps aside for the team, if the ‘team’ decides the better player is crucial as a substitutional impacter and not as a starter.
you play for the team.
this is what the ‘coaches’ and the ‘other’ coaches want.
7 Oct 2011, 14:36 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-173: you saw smit wave genia through in sydney for the ioane score…there’s NO WAY bissie would let that happen. you saw how smit waved jane through in wellington for the score…these are all unaccountable gaffes when people talk about being better in the tight etc. the opposition is targetting plod around the park..
genia punished even the all blacks, always sniping between mealamu & franks and BOOM 2 tries.
genia ain’t dumb!
7 Oct 2011, 14:36 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-181: Thats the true selection mess up – Alberts should starting.
7 Oct 2011, 14:37 pm
Ratel makes a tackle every 3m48secs!!!!!!
7 Oct 2011, 14:38 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-184: no, he is NOT the reason. challenging any selection does not make the player the scapegoat but some here did try to pin losses on Ricky & Adi in years past but that’s besides the point.
7 Oct 2011, 14:38 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-171:
Its not the loose, its the tightloose which is key, the collisions, the rucks, the mauls, the cleans, the agrression, the in-your-face man-on-man power – that is where the boks are currently being beaten. we are going to get hit back behind the adv line and at the collisions again, it will start slowly and then accelerate to about the 30min mark by which stage we will be in deep ****.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-172:
Its only a win-win if the better player is used for most of the game, not the other way around, the other way around automatically relinquishes one of the few worldclass weapons int he bok pack. the aussies will be thrilled its smit playing most of the game, they know they got the beating of that pack, its like when we beat england in the lead up to RWC2007.
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-173:
norm hewitt? matt sexton? they were very ordinary hookers, oliver was ok but he wasnt that interested in rugby – none of them were bismarck du plessis in his current pomp. This is a very special player, and the Boks are not using him, this tournament and level will not tolerate mistakes like this, its a game of inches where only your very best are likely to cut it, injuries and correct selections are vital.
7 Oct 2011, 14:39 pm
@cab(cab)-174: I think you are confused. As blind as a bat. Your prejudice is making you whine like an old crone. Dippy obviously sees different and Dippy knows best – even you said so.
7 Oct 2011, 14:39 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-189:
Thanks mate! Now I understand – hmmm
7 Oct 2011, 14:39 pm
The funny thing: the articles claiming McCaw is a better all-round player than Brussow. In the following matches Brussow made the most tackles, broke a number of tackles, kicked a cross kick for the winning try etc etc.
McCaw did nothing worth mentioning.
7 Oct 2011, 14:40 pm
@cab(cab)-168:
thats why he’s never won a world cup.
7 Oct 2011, 14:41 pm
@cab(cab)-190: Its win-win if both are used. Its the Barney-Bismarck Blitz. The hooking one-two knockout combo… the Boks secret weapon… Lull the opposition into a false sense of security and then wham-bam thank you Ma’am.
Rugby’s equivalent of rope a dope from the Mu.hammed Ali of coaches.
7 Oct 2011, 14:44 pm
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-185:
under what logical rugby criteria does the better player ever stand aside for the team?
if your firm decides to pick someone over you who is not as good as you, i want to see you take that for the team. what nonsense, the best teams are the most competitive one’s where ability and results count, not sentiment.
7 Oct 2011, 14:44 pm
@Bouts(Bouts)-193:
McCaw is past his best. The last series of tests one would have been forgiven for thinking he had not taken the field. His presence went unnoticed.
7 Oct 2011, 14:45 pm
I see the chaps are still agonizing over Smit and Bismark.
Take a chill pill chaps, no amount of typing is going to change the coach’s mind.
Just sit back and enjoy the experience of the World Cup. Perhaps throw your weight fully behind the team instead of positioning yourselves for the big “I told you so”.
This horse has been flogged. Over and over and over and over already.
7 Oct 2011, 14:45 pm
“‘Don’t be surprised if Bismarck starts the big games,’ a source close to the team told me last week.”
We all know about your “sources” Jon, don’t we?
This thing about Bissie starting the big games has been mentioned by some on this blog since before the 3N. Just after PdV flew to Durban to have a chat with JS and Bissie. Why you were only “told” about it last week, I don’t know. Where were you?
The captain will start every game… that is just the way it’s going to be whether you/I/or anybody else agree with it or not.
Here’s something else to chew on wrt the JS dilemma:
Now that Beast has been kicked to the curb, does it mean that JS will take over from Gurthro after 55/60 minutes when Bissie comes on? We all know that Gurthro won’t finish the game. What do you okes reckon?
7 Oct 2011, 14:46 pm
The real issue here is:
Bissie must come on at 50 minutes.
7 Oct 2011, 14:46 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-191:
and i think u being a fool, and there’s a reason you lost your previous bet with me. you not thinking clearly. you not even following the data, which is your game.
7 Oct 2011, 14:47 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-195:
We all saw what happened when the skeef thrower started the game last time. Smit must start to steady the ship and make his usual impact in the scrum. Bismark is unfortunately Smit’s female equivelant and as long as Smit is around he’ll always be just that. As an impact Bismark is superb. Don’t upset the natural order of things.
7 Oct 2011, 14:47 pm
@nama1(nama1)-199:
Oz not a big game mate. Somoa was – they thrashed the Ozzies a few weeks ago…
7 Oct 2011, 14:47 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-198:
and i see you still a drip who bemoans the moaning. there plenty of other threads, this is all beneath you.
7 Oct 2011, 14:48 pm
we have 2 quotas to many in the team …. Aussies by 7
7 Oct 2011, 14:49 pm
@nama1(nama1)-199: Now thats an issue. Surely Beast offers more to the bench than Aplon??
But I would imagine if Guthro starts to tire we’ll put CJ on, Jannie has been finishing most games.
7 Oct 2011, 14:50 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-182:
He is definitely ONE of the best BUT he doesnt trump any of those guys. You can add:
Brussow
Burger
Warburton
Picamoles
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-183:
Right…..Warburton is class,Tincu,Gogodze-grizzled and combative but not class in my eyes.They in same bracket as Viliami Ma’afu(Tongan no.8) and US skipper Todd Clever.
7 Oct 2011, 14:51 pm
This is a stupid piece of writing.
The plan is for the bench to lift the tempo of the match in the last 25 minutes or so, when the opposition can least afford it.
This smacks of Rassie’s brains.
Alberts, Bismarck and Hougaard are on the bench. All teams have the second-best on the bench. Here the best hooker, a terrifying lump of muscle and one of the best backs in the compo get to attack a tiring and second-string side.
Who is going to tackle Alberts backwards after 78 minutes?
The wallabies backup at hooker and No8/lock are nowhere near ours, and Hougaard brings a backline dimension that changes the defensive requirements and tests on-field adaptability to the limit.
That is clearly the plan.
FFS the best player is starting second to win the game when it counts.
IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!
Like the F1 drivers say: you only have to lead at the end of the last lap to win
7 Oct 2011, 14:52 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-207: Nobody makes nearly as many tackles as Ratel, not to mention his break down work.
7 Oct 2011, 14:54 pm
@nama1(nama1)-199:
Starting with js is a mistake … moving him to LH later is an even bigger mistake.
Did PdeV learn nothing from Durban? … oh wait, what am I saying.
7 Oct 2011, 14:56 pm
@cab(cab)-196:
i think its best we agree to disagree on this. we’re clearly from the john and bissy camps and are not gonna sit ‘happily’ around the same fire.
whether by accident or design, it is my firm belief that not only is bismarck du plessis a phenomenal impact player, but also, that the springboks have cottoned onto a game plan than involves their bench as much (if not more) than their starting 15 for winning tight, close knockout rugby against very, very competitive (read the worlds # 1 and 3) teams.
7 Oct 2011, 14:57 pm
@nama1(nama1)-199: hello meneer, hoe gaan dit?
7 Oct 2011, 14:58 pm
you know what, i think both the coaches and john smit know very well who the better player is by a long way, and i think if oz come out the blocks quicly on sunday, you are going to see great panick like never before, cos they cant really bring bismarck on in the 1st half, since it will look disastrous and faricical and they then have no hooker cover.
7 Oct 2011, 14:58 pm
@Boks_B_to_win_RWC_2011(p0ppa69)-205: yep, Smit & Spies…too many indeed
7 Oct 2011, 14:58 pm
@cab(cab)-204: moan moan moan, whinge whinge whinge, squeal squeal squeal.
And all about the same tired old argument…
You’ll give yourself a hernia my man!
7 Oct 2011, 14:59 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-173:
Norm Hewitt- does he still hold the record for the most caps as reserve or did Hanyani Shimange overtaek him?
Funny how it always seems to be happening to the no. 2 hooker. With Bissie now firmly established as the no. 1 hooker in SA, I think Chilliboy will challenge for that record in the next four years.
7 Oct 2011, 14:59 pm
@cab(cab)-213: they will sacrifice guthro and shift smit to loosehead…
7 Oct 2011, 15:00 pm
@cab(cab)-190:
Never claimed any of those players were in Bisamrk’s class.Mentioned them in relation to Fitzy late in career and how similiar situation existed in NZ with young hookers playing well but Fitzy still a fixture even when powers had left him.Hewitt was burning hot around that time.Stormin Norm
I know its a game of inches but for me I dont see Victor as captain material at Bok level in a semi.SA is carrying 2 passengers in pack Smit & Spies. One of them has to go,in my view rather Spies as Smit is intergral to team especially his rapport with refs.Vitally important in knockouts seeing how reffing has been going so far in rwc.After 45 min with team settled,bring on Bizzie to change game along with other reserves especially looking how our ageing squad battles in last 30mins.That is just as INTEGRAL as STRARTING the game if not MORE.
7 Oct 2011, 15:00 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-198:
its groundhog day all over again.
7 Oct 2011, 15:02 pm
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-211:
u can sit around whatever fire you like and toast the marshmellows, and u welcome to whatever opinion you want, but you right I certainly will never agree that smit is currently anywhere near Bismarck as a player, or is better for the bok pack or team in terms of winning rugby games. Its not even a close run thing.
7 Oct 2011, 15:03 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-209:
Have a look at O’Brien of Ireland or Warburton who gave Ratel a hard time vs Welsh.
Brussow is brilliant no doubt but his best is yet to come in RWC,hopefully that will be Sunday.He is all class
7 Oct 2011, 15:03 pm
A very slow, fat player up against the Wallabies, of all teams, is just plain stoopid.
7 Oct 2011, 15:06 pm
@cab(cab)-213: And you let yourself down with a failing of law knowledge: “They then have no hooker cover”, actually a substituted front-row player may be allowed to return to the field of play for an injury. Get with the program.
7 Oct 2011, 15:06 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-215:
what you doing on this thread my man, rather go elsewhere if you dont like the moaning, oh ja i forgot u the biggest moangat out there u fkn hypocrtite, we’ve had to year about how kak snor is for the last 3 odd years. if u think an old queen like yourself is capable of giving me a hernia you got another thing coming.
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-218:
well dair enough, thats a very sensible outlook and i think very close to the truth, but i maintain bismarck is non-negotiable here especially with bakkies out and in fact i’d say the aussies could beat us quite easier than expected cos we are also missing alberts. SA will have to try play some sort of containing game until the bench arrives, its preposterous.
7 Oct 2011, 15:07 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-217:
There you trying to cause hysterics….
Guthro or Jannie will play the full 80.Smit is going to bench after 45min. Smit will go to prop only at LH IG THERE IS AN INJURY.
The reason they didnt got for 5-2 split taking any chance of Smit moving to prop is due to backline threat of OZ and insurance policy with a number of SA backs going into game with niggles namely Habana,Jean,JPP,Hougaard(headknock).
Smit wont go to prop.Not in a WC quarterfinal
7 Oct 2011, 15:09 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-221: Did. Ratel makes a tackle every 3.8 minutes of play during RWC 2011.
Warburton makes one every 6 minutes and O’Brien every 7.2 minutes. Simply don’t have the work rate.
7 Oct 2011, 15:09 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-203:
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-206:
Don’t think the coaches were too happy with VM’s captaincy vs Samoa.
They probably want JS on the field for the whole 80 minutes. CJ there too cover for Jannie, who has been playing a lot of rugby in the WC. He seems to look tired at times. Just watch him closely.
@Transformation(Transformation)-212:
Goed dankie. Hoe gaan dit aan jou kant?
Jou Afrikaans kom mooi by. smile:
7 Oct 2011, 15:10 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-217:
yeah suppose you right
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-223:
oh right, sounds like u got the knowledge, we’ll soon see who is with the program.
7 Oct 2011, 15:11 pm
Tired of the hysterics around Bismark/Smit issue.
If we play one we shall LOSE game,all because of them(Smit)
If we play the other one we will win everything,dominate everything in sight(Bis)
Team sport
Strategic plan
Reserves to win us this game and world cup
Agree Ewen Mckenzie
7 Oct 2011, 15:12 pm
a source close to the team?? Who is that? PDV?? lmao! we al know rassie runs the show – same thing @ the stormers. Even naas gives his input! so we have 15 coaches!
7 Oct 2011, 15:14 pm
and i say each and every selections is key, and one man can certainly make a huge difference.
7 Oct 2011, 15:15 pm
@cab(cab)-224: I’m just going to ignore the fact that you don’t seem to know the rules very well and hold you in the same opinion I always have – you’re one of the loonies. This is a great side and if the bench is used intelligently, this side is awesome.
7 Oct 2011, 15:15 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-226:
Thats also due to the fact SA barring Namibia/Fiji games,base everything on defence and didnt play with ball in habd WHICH limit opportunities to tackle.Wales keep the ball thus less tackling need.
Case in point vs Samoa: SA made 172 tackles to Samoa’s 77….Thats the general trend of SA games.Look at time in possession of ball and Wales beats SA there thus LESS TACKLING.Which will result in their loosies having lower numbers in tackling but more carrying meters and carries.
7 Oct 2011, 15:17 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-232:
thats fine, i have similar opinion of you, makes not the slightest difference to me. The proof will be in the pudding.
7 Oct 2011, 15:17 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-225:
“Smit wont go to prop.Not in a WC quarterfinal”
I’m not sure about that.
No way they are going to leave the team in VM’s hands with 30 or so minutes to go when the Boks are either behind or have a slender lead.
You said it yourself in p. 218. VM is no Bok captain… not at this stage of the competition.
7 Oct 2011, 15:19 pm
Every journo worth his salt has Biz starting, and they have every reason to be impartial. Just check out the UK, Oz and NZ papers for the bext XV at RWC …. You wont find JSmit on that list ……………………. !
7 Oct 2011, 15:20 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-233: True.
7 Oct 2011, 15:21 pm
@nama1(nama1)-235:
We will just have to see then.
Last time we played Smit at prop vs OZ we lost all forward ascendancy,lost our scrum platform and fell apart.
Dont believe they will make that mistake again especially in a QF.
And with CJ to cover 1/3
7 Oct 2011, 15:22 pm
@bananas(bananas)-236:
yeah but according to the resident kenners, they all loonies.
7 Oct 2011, 15:24 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-237:
So while its brilliant that Schalk and Brussow are making 20+ tackles a game-high efficiency too,its not good in the sense that we allowing them to take too much punishment as defending is a lot more tiring/destructive than attack.Too much attriction which is why we fade away in latter parts of game especially because our squad is ageing.
Thats why RESERVES are IMPERATIVE
7 Oct 2011, 15:27 pm
@cab(cab)-224: no my man, I am at peace with the team. Flip, call up Earl Rose if they must, I will remain at peace. I am not paid as a selector.
YOU will give yourself a hernia!
7 Oct 2011, 15:27 pm
@nama1(nama1)-235: @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-238: Might not be necessary. The Aussies don’t speak about the 60 minute mark. They call it the uncontested scrum mark.
7 Oct 2011, 15:28 pm
@bananas(bananas)-236:
You wouldnt have found neither of Frans Pienaar nor Gary Teichman next to any world xv team sheet neither. In fact Tiaan Strauss was possibly the best blindside in the world around 95′.We all know how that turned out.
If it was about playing ability alone and nothing to do with other dynamics involved-Bizzie would win battle 10 out of 10.
But its not as clear cut as all that. Thats why Victor isnt a captain of repute at international level.
7 Oct 2011, 15:31 pm
@cab(cab)-234: But I at least understand the rules.
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-233: On further analysis if you exclude the Namibian games, both Warburton and Ratel have finished the other 3 games. South Africa average 45min without the ball, whilst Wales average 39. Ratel has made a total of 63 tackles in those 3 games whilst Warburton has made 45.
This = Ratel 1 tackle every 43s in defence.
Warburton 1 tackle every 52s in defence.
7 Oct 2011, 15:32 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-244: sorry my bad maths.
Ratel – 1 every 2.1 min
Warburton 1 every 2.6min
7 Oct 2011, 15:33 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-242:
Jeeessssessss!!! Forgot about that,filthy little convicts may try that especially if Bok fwds have ascendancy…It is a QF after all.Oz will/may do whatever they see fit even if it goes against principles of playing the game…
7 Oct 2011, 15:34 pm
@nama1(nama1)-227: good gaan..
ek kan nie kla nie. ek het ‘n baie goed onderwyser
7 Oct 2011, 15:36 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-244:
Ok fair enough, How many carries & carrying meters. Also whats the turnover rate?Btwn the 2??
7 Oct 2011, 15:36 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-246: Maybe that is the reason Aplon is there instead of Beast, maybe Aussies would have negated Beasts impact with non-contested.
7 Oct 2011, 15:39 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-249:
Very very true….Maybe P.Divvy may have picked up on that.
7 Oct 2011, 15:39 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-248: RWC website doesn’t have those stats, but I can tell you that Warburton will battle against a SH ref this weekend as his breakdown technique is not on the same level and will be penalised a lot.
7 Oct 2011, 15:44 pm
Go Bokke go!!!
7 Oct 2011, 15:44 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-229: @Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-245: this ewen mckenzie bluster is a load of hogwash, yes it makes sense in theory, but tell me which one of these players that were subs in the S15 final are better than the Reds starters but are kept on the bench they make an impact & because a team HAS 22 players?
James Hanson; Guy Shepherdson; Adam Wallace-Harrison, Jake Schatz, Liam Gill, Ian Prior, Will Chambers
7 Oct 2011, 15:44 pm
just one more game and john smit will be no more.
7 Oct 2011, 15:49 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-242: “They call it the uncontested scrum mark.”
Wasn’t it Stormers favourite weapon?
7 Oct 2011, 15:51 pm
@mvk(mvk)-254: no man! bokke will win on sunday and you’re going to eat your words.
7 Oct 2011, 15:52 pm
serious bunch of morons thinking Boks are better off starting Smit to starting Bismark this is an outright recipe for disaster, hope you nincompoop moronic idiots gonna be satisfied when the direct result of this absolute fckup of a decision erupts and Blows Up in Boks faces.
This is now the bottom line fckup of all fckup decisions starting this pathetic useless has been of a liability ahead of BdP, and it is THE single fckup of a decision that is absolutely the crux that will be sending Boks home on Sunday, hope you dumb imbecile arsehole Smittyfied bumkins gonna be satisfied when your useless f’ng hero gonna be giving his well worded losing speech after the game on what MIGHT HAVE BEEN had the pathetic useless dumbfck dunce stepped OUT the f’ng way.!!
7 Oct 2011, 15:59 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-257: but you still support the Bokke neh Skop?
let’s not lose focus here, we don’t agree with the selection but our blood is indefinitely green!
7 Oct 2011, 15:59 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-238:
That is the fear I have for Sunday’s match.
IF it is their plan to play JS at LH when Bissie comes on, when may just lose the match right there if we have not already done so.
They have not learn in more than 18 months now that skop en jaag don’t work. Don’t you think you give them too much credit afs learning from their mistakes go.
@Transformation(Transformation)-247:
Hahaha.
Would like to meet him one day.
7 Oct 2011, 15:59 pm
Op nommers een en drie vir die Bokke
Sit stutte wat lyk soos twee trokke
En nie een van ons hakers
Is naastenby kakker
As daai Aussie ding met die lokke
7 Oct 2011, 16:00 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-258: more like “undoubtedly green”
7 Oct 2011, 16:01 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-241:
good for you my man, tell me since when you become so peaceful and all, and what was the last 3 years worth of bitching about pdivvie and the Boks for? hypocrite. and actually, there are going to be i told you so’s from me to you on sunday if the Boks lose, just for you i’m going to make a little exception.
7 Oct 2011, 16:03 pm
All the games in this world cup between tier one nations, with the exception of a poor France against New Zealand, have been in the balance going into the final 20 minutes. Even tier 2 nations have been competitive against stronger nations deep into the second half. Motivation levels are high and this has a significant impact on attitude in the contact areas and on defence. This should be the case in the QF SA vs Australia. The boks tactic of introducing a very strong bench from minute 50 is in my view very sound. I think Nick Mallet during his run of 17 victories also lucked upon a strong bench led by Bob Skinstad. Bismark is not the complete player and has weaknesses. Smit has been playing some decent rugby. Do not see the logic in messing with the status quo at this stage even if Bismark is the better player. I back John to have a good game and our bench to close the game out for us.
7 Oct 2011, 16:07 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-253:
The Crusaders in their early campaigns under Smith used to use Norm Berryman,MarkHammett,Marika Vunibaka off bench to add impetus in 2nd quarter, who were arguably better than starters Mark mayerholfer,matt Sexton and Afato Soailo’o respectively.
Add that to the fact that the current Reds S15 side doesnt share the same dynamics that exist in the SA team at the moment which are:
-Ageing team
-SA gameplan less based on retaining ball,high tackle rates thus leads to increased fatigue level(always tackle twice even 3 times other team)
-SA/Boks tendency to fall away in last quarter.has long been an SA characteristic.Due to our highly attrictional way of play
PS-Transie he did use hill reserves to change games throughout season.Specifically Radike Samo,Ben Lucas,Liam Gill(turnovers)
So no sbali,S14 final was one game but throughout season McKenzie used strategy to a certain level.Just like the AB’s last year using Israel Dagg,Piri Weepu,Sam Whitelock to change games.The latter were arguably BETTER than Mils/Cowan/Donnely.
Not bs at all
7 Oct 2011, 16:07 pm
@nama1(nama1)-259: is nie ‘n man nie
onderwyseres?
7 Oct 2011, 16:09 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-243: But its not as clear cut as all that. Thats why Victor isnt a captain of repute at international level.
And JS record since 3N 2009 is what exactly ?? ……….Bloody awful my man !
7 Oct 2011, 16:10 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-244:
thats debatable, and irrelevant too, a ****** can be taught the roles, look at half the refs.
7 Oct 2011, 16:14 pm
I tell you what if we win on Sunday there won’t be a lot of “I told you so’s” because unlike the Smit detractors we are unable to attribute the success of the Bokke down to him and him alone. There is no way one can say if it hadn’t been for this tackle or that pass or that kick etc that the game would have been lost or won because a game is played over 80 minutes and can go in many directions. You may have deliberate over options in hindsight and wonder but its never “Fact”.
As a coach you make choices and hope like hell those choices pan out but there is no way that you can say afterwards with any guarantee that another choice would have panned out differently. You can however say that a performance, be that individual or team was ***** or great and may have contributed to a result but none of us have crystal balls.
So lets assume that PDV has got it right and get behind this team and if they lose so be it, but I am sure it will not be for lack of trying.
7 Oct 2011, 16:15 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-264: how many games did radike samo start on the bench while leroy houston played? like i said the reds bench mainly featured guy sheperdson, liam gill, ian prior, will chambers, adam wallace-harrison, james hanson..
at what point did mckenzie this season sacrifice – at least you can recall – his best players just because he wanted to “maximise” the impact of the bench!
7 Oct 2011, 16:17 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-264: Agreed Mshin but i don’t think they were as intentional in their strategy as PDV is being now. I honestly think they were blooding the youngsters rather than using them for impact i.e the AB’s. The Reds on the other hand seemed to be a deliberate resting pattern in my opinion.
7 Oct 2011, 16:18 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-268: i don’t think the smit detractors themselves can, with authority, point to smit as the sole reason for any loss in the past couple of years.
7 Oct 2011, 16:22 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-270: By the way are there players who could never be “impact” players? players that spring to mind that you may perhaps prefer to see starting rather than coming on for that reason are perhaps JS,VM,JDP,Gurthro? because they don’t offer more than the “would be” starting players in all round play – just a thought.
7 Oct 2011, 16:22 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-271:
You are right, he is not the sole reason for the losses but certainly made quite a “contribution” towards it
7 Oct 2011, 16:26 pm
Oh stop it you bunch of nattering big girls’ blouses.
Hamster wheel threads.
Round and round and round and round ……
7 Oct 2011, 16:28 pm
its not about smit detractors, its about bismarck not starting and how this handicaps the team in a game decided on inches, yes by one player, and i’ve pointed to a string of results that back this assertion up.
7 Oct 2011, 16:33 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-272: guthro is certainly an “impact” player, i reckon his work-rate can match beast’s so if he is introduced in the latter parts of a game he can be devastating
FdP is not an impact player, we at least the current kak version of him.
7 Oct 2011, 16:36 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-265:
Ooo! Ek sien.
———————————————-…—————————————-
At last I got my picks in on bru. Have been struggling this whole week to access the bru site.
Wales by 4
Eng by 8
SA by 9
NZ by 17
7 Oct 2011, 16:38 pm
Barney’s our Hero…
A song to him by Foo Fighters:
too alarming now to talk about
take your pictures down
and shake it out
truth or consequence, say it aloud
use that evidence race it around
there goes my hero
watch him as he goes
there goes my hero
he’s ordinary
don’t the best of them bleed it out
while the rest of them peter out
truth or consequence, say it aloud
use that evidence race it around
there goes my hero
watch him as he goes
there goes my hero
he’s ordinary
kudos my hero
leaving all the best
you know my hero
the one that’s on
there goes my hero
watch him as he goes
there goes my hero
he’s ordinary
7 Oct 2011, 16:38 pm
kudos my hero
leaving all the best
you know my hero
the one that’s on
GO BARNEY!!!
7 Oct 2011, 16:39 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-276: yeah thought about Gurthro but wondered about the extra dimension an impact player brings. If you look at Hougie for example in all the games where he has played from the start I’ve thought that he doesn’t necessarily have the same impact he has as when he comes on with 20 to go for example. Yet I think he is one of the truly World Class players we have.
7 Oct 2011, 16:40 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-276:
Guthro can do both.But he is a better starter as he is more influencial in setpieces and cleaning at start of game than Beast.
But Beast with his superior athleticism,speed,mobility while he can start is better off bench of late.He is better with ball in hand.
Both are fantastic athletes though.SA very lucky to have them.
7 Oct 2011, 16:44 pm
@cab(cab)-275: Cab how do you know that. Do you know about probablistics and the measurement of outcomes and putting them down to a single event or cirucmstance or risk etc.
How in heavens name can you trace all of those results down to one variable when there are so many variables including amongst others JS form,injuries (coming back), side composition, playing field, refs interpretation,travel schedule, *** life etc. We hear all the excuses on you when the Bulls don’t win
7 Oct 2011, 16:46 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-272:
Gurthro made a big “impact” coming on as a sub against Wales and Samoa during this RWC.
Having said that, I will also prefer him as the starting LH with Beast coming on later in the game.
@Transformation(Transformation)-276:
“FdP is not an impact player, we at least the current kak version of him.”
FdP is not even good enough for a start, well at least the current kak version of him.
7 Oct 2011, 16:46 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-282: “you ” should be “here”
7 Oct 2011, 16:48 pm
any way guys outtahere for now. Go BOKKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7 Oct 2011, 16:48 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-269:
First half of S15 Samo played a bit part role,Houston and young Schwartz played.In second half od season after week 4-6 Samo exploded into scene again and rest is history.But after try vs NZ he has largely been quiet.
And you didnt comment on the point about the AB’s,just stuck on Reds I see….
In 1999 TriNations,John Hart deliberately kept Lomu on bench even though he was the premier wing in NZ that year and used him off the bench for impact in last quarter.
Same thing was done with Lukaz van biljon throughout his Bok and provincial career.
Another thing is that as McKenzie said in piece,rugby has evolved thus the prinviples of yesteryear such as 80 min players etc is being questioned especially for the older teams and strategies employed to bigger team to move them side to side to tire them thus tiring theem.Amongst others
7 Oct 2011, 16:54 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-282:
the bulls? u got the wrong oke, my excuses are reserved for the lions, and even then i wont be the one bitching after sunday – watch and see what happens – all the big blaffers here will simply not be around.
Anything is theoretically possible, there are no hard and fast rules, but in rugby normally the better team wins, that is probability. The Boks have lost 5 of their last 6 outings vs oz including a virtual identical team that lost at home 6 weeks ago – the probability of them losing against oz in australasia seems high, of hoe?
In 2009 Bismarck started in the 3N and SA won 5 out of 6.
In 2010 Bismarck did not start in the 3N and SA lost 5 out of 6 (a complete reversal).
In 2009, Bismarck started the first two test v the BIL which we won, in the third BIL test Bismarck did not start and we got absolutely hammered.
In 2009, Bismarck started his first test vs Ireland, which is the first time SA have beaten ireland away in many years, we did it again in 2010.
Sometimes u need to be able to put 2 + 2 together and not come up with 22.
7 Oct 2011, 17:06 pm
@cab(cab)-287: actually in 2009 Bissy did NOT start against irealnd and we LOST the match 15 – 10
64 mins: Peter de Villiers has decided to run the changes. He brings on four fresh players within two minutes, which sees Ruan Pienaar at pivot and Bismarck du Plessis at hooker and John Smit moved to tighthead.
#just saying
7 Oct 2011, 17:08 pm
@cab(cab)-287: Cab,
You still going on about John and Bissie.
In 2009 we had Brussow for all the tests in 2010 we never he was injured. Don’t underestimate how much value he brought to the team.
That last test against the BIL we played a 2nd Bok side. We gave a game to all the players that never got a game against the BIL. They played their full strength side. We had most of our first side out resting. Bakkies was out with suspension too.
Now here is a fact. 2010 Oz had Pocock. We NEVER had Brussow. There is the difference. Also no FdP. FdP before he was injured was great. Morne just never played the same that year without him. You can’t blame John that we have lost these games. Rather look who else was missing. Our biggest trump card in the 2009 series was Brussow.
Come on buddy. Just relax we gonna win it. If we don’t whether Bissie starts or not we were then never going to win it.
Our biggest loss is Frans Steyn at inside centre. I don’t think JdV is the same class but he will have seen how well Fransie got our backline going. They will have worked on it. So backing JdV to have a good game on Sunday.
Now relax buddy. I am off for sundowners. Will have one for you so you can relax now..
Cheers Cab.
7 Oct 2011, 17:11 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-288:
lol, sorry u are correct smit started against Ireland 09 and Boks lost, bismarck starts in 2010 and Boks won.
7 Oct 2011, 17:13 pm
Go Bokke Go.
Cheers all.
7 Oct 2011, 17:13 pm
@cab(cab)-290:
7 Oct 2011, 17:15 pm
@cab(cab)-287:
Gevaarlike terrein nou Cab.
Some people may point to the fact that JS played TH in 2009 when Bissie started at 2. We don’t want them to use that as a reason to punt for JS’s inclusion at TH, do we now?
7 Oct 2011, 17:16 pm
@Puma(Puma)-289:
Pumes, i dont care if its smit, brussow, bakkies or obi wan kanobi in or out – my point is a very simple one, which is that the Boks win an awful lot of games when Bismarck starts.
Guess who started in the only 3N test we won this year?
7 Oct 2011, 17:16 pm
Spies is a much bigger problem. We’re effectively playing with 7 forwards as long as he’s on the field.
7 Oct 2011, 17:18 pm
@nama1(nama1)-293:
ou nama, am afraid u right, the minds are made up allround, might as well be pissing into a hurricane.
7 Oct 2011, 17:19 pm
@cab(cab)-287: In 2009, Bismarck started the first two test v the BIL which we won, in the third BIL test Bismarck did not start and we got absolutely hammered
If I remember correctly the third test against the BIL featured wholesale changes and John did not play hooker in the third test, or in any of the tests as he was playing prop. The third test featured something like eight changes to the bok side. Sometimes adding 2 + 2 is not as easy as you think.
7 Oct 2011, 17:23 pm
@A fine Line(A fine Line)-297:
you are almost certainly correct, there might have also been a wind imbalance and a high pressure region over the stadium on that day, there might have been a million other facts, but my point is actually simpler than 2 + 2, its that Bismarck was simply not starting, 1 factor. You dont even have to be able to count.
7 Oct 2011, 17:27 pm
@cab(cab)-298:
7 Oct 2011, 17:27 pm
ok, i’m going to gym now…cab is killing me!
7 Oct 2011, 17:31 pm
@cab(cab)-287: Its not as simple as that. In 2009 Bakkies and Matfield where still the premier lock combination in the world. By 2010 they no longer were and we no longer had tight five domination we of all teams need for our gameplan to work. This cannot be blamed on Smit. I do agree that Bismarck should probably start but Smit will not single handedly lose the game for the boks any more than Bismarck would single handedly win the game. Smit is a good captain, good scrumager (at hooker) and competent in the tight phases and not nearly as useless as his detractors try to make out. There is also a very good argument to be made about bringing on a fresh Bismarck with 30 minutes to go to get the maximum impact out of him.
7 Oct 2011, 17:38 pm
these people that STILL believe that John Smit is the best choice to start any rugby test over Bismark, and ESPECIALLY against Australia are dumber than dumb fck ignoramus’s
What they simply cannot and will not see is that EVERY time John Smit starts we LOSE.. and conversely EVERY time Bismark starts we win…
So how much MORE f’ng brain dead deluded do these Smitty f’ng arsecreep disciples STILL wanna be?
EVERYTHING is pointing to an Aussie win now on Sunday.. the mere fact that John Smit is starting now DECIDEDLY points to at least a 70% chance we are going to lose..
HAD Bismark started the converse would be true.. 70% likelihood and probability that we would have WON..
So seems all these fervent dyed in the Smitty wool over the eyes sheep we have here actually ENJOY losing… I DON’T… HENCE I prefer Bismark to start ahead of John Smit because then the stronger likelihood is we would WIN and when John Smit starts the STRONGER likelihood is we are gonna LOSE…\
They are DUMB.. it don’t take a train to cry and a rocket scientist to laugh to see which is the DECIDEDLY better option.. or by the looks of the confusion reigning here perhaps it does ….
7 Oct 2011, 17:41 pm
Only change I would’ve made to the 22 would have been Beast instead of James.
7 Oct 2011, 17:41 pm
@malcolm(malcolm)-301:
again, with respect malcolm you dont get it either, i dont care if smit starts, play him on the wing for all the difference it makes to our results – all i’m saying is there is a very direct correlation between bismarck starting and the Boks ability to win tests aginst the bigboys.
Now i dont know why that is, perhaps bismark is just a lucky charm and we should use him as a mascot rather than as a rugby player, but its daarem a bladdy strange phenomenon this.
7 Oct 2011, 17:43 pm
I have 25-6 in my head. Please dont let it be against the Boks!
7 Oct 2011, 17:43 pm
@malcolm(malcolm)-301: Its AS SIMPLE AS THAT believe me
The equation goes as simply as this
START SMIT = LOSS
START BISMARK = WIN
that is how simple it ACTUALLY IS
How much you wanna bet?
Seems MOST of the rugby watching palookas on this site have not watched ANY rugby since 2009
Since 2009 John Smit has led his team to 10 losses from 11 starts against top flight competition.. and the one that we won he did not finish.. same as the last two meaningful tests we won in this WC vs Wales and Samoa..
Had John Smit started and finished both tests we were gonners.. no doubts about it whatsoever,
John Smit = LOSER
That is exactly HOW SIMPLE IT IS ..
and the converse of that is Bismark = WINNER..
How much more blatant obvious and how many more red herrings you wanna keep on selling to yourself.. that is how it IS
7 Oct 2011, 17:45 pm
Thumb-sucking opinion.
Without Bismarck starting – Oz have 60% chance of win.
With Bismarck starting – SA have 51% chance of win.
With Bismarck and Alberts starting – SA have 60% chance of win.
7 Oct 2011, 17:46 pm
This mountain is to high to climb for the Boks I fear. Aus, then NZ, then one of the others. I hope I’m wrong.
NZ should take it. They will be fresh going into the semi against whatever is left over from the Bok v Wallabie war. Then They’ll beat the NH side.
7 Oct 2011, 17:50 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-306: I tell you who is a loser and thats Donkey, but he’s the best option by the skin of his teeth over JdJ.
Nope, Barney to start and Bissy to finish. Mo.hammed Dippy thinks its the best option and who we to argue.
Dippy is the best Bok coach ever.
7 Oct 2011, 17:53 pm
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-308:
You chucking in the towel
Boks would have taken this thing with ONE simple adjustment
SMIT DONT START ahead of Bismark.. and if he’s a feeble f’ng impact player then he should be OUT the 22 altogether..
That would have been the single simple denominator for the Boks to win the WC.. Now I MAT STILL BE WRONG BUT I THINK already feel it in my bones.. we going out Sunday .. be as superstitious as you like about praying to whoever.. but Boks have cooked their goose by starting Smit and relegating Bismark to bench and Beast out the 22..
Boks have practically handed the game to Australia ON a F’ng PLATE
HIGH F’NG TREASON.. if ever there was such a crime THIS IS IT !!!!!
I said it from the beginning and I’m saying it again.. John Smit is gonna sink the Boks chances SOLO… WATCH !!!
7 Oct 2011, 17:53 pm
START SMIT = WE WIN
FINISH BISSY = WE WIN
WIN, WIN.
SIMPLE
7 Oct 2011, 17:57 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-311: I agree and also we have the Ozzie president said she does not believe in God so God will then support the Bokke.Keo also said that the Ozzies will win what a kiss of death. We are definately going to win it is a done deal.
7 Oct 2011, 17:57 pm
We have the best Bok coach, if not in history…
We have the best Bok captain…
You fools that can’t see this or accept this don’t know a rugby ball from a kicking tee, a tight head from a loose head, a scrummy from a wing, and a ruck from a maul.
King Pieter knows best.
7 Oct 2011, 17:58 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-310: My biggest concern is whether Guthro can play for 80 minutes. I would’ve started with Beast, and played Guthro of the bench.
Imagine the following:
After 50 minutes;
Bismark on for Smit
Guthro on for Beast
Alberts on for Spies
Hougaard on for Habana/JP (whoever needs to be relaced)
After 65 minutes;
CJ on for Jannie
Louw on for Brussouw
Aplon on for Habana/JP
7 Oct 2011, 17:58 pm
lmao, it is high fkg treason – goddamnit i cant even think about it.
7 Oct 2011, 17:59 pm
@Airwell(Airwell)-312: Onward Christian Soldiers and all that… Marching unto war…
Boks are going to win… its inevitable under the great Dippy…
7 Oct 2011, 18:01 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-311:
Nope Smit is riding on Bismarks aggression and his coat tails.. Smit cannot do F’ckall on a rugby field in comparison except jabber away with his f’ng mouth to the ref..it is like absolute day and night comparing Bismark to Smit
Its a very simple equation
Smit gotta give way to the better player and that way he frees Boks chances to WIN.. By Smit hanging on for dear life to his superfluous and inconsequential prestige and ambition and his fckd up aura of invincibility John Smit has basically single handed sold the Boks down the river and out the WC.. That is how f’ng excruciating simple it actually is…
7 Oct 2011, 18:01 pm
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-314:
Lambie
JP (replaced by Aplon after 65)
Fourie
de Villiers
Habana (replaced by Hougaard after 50)
Steyn
du Preez
Spies (replaced by Alberts after 50)
Burger
Brussouw (replaced by Louw after 65)
Matfield
Rossouw
Jannie (replaced by CJ after 65)
Smit (replaced by Bismark after 50)
Beast (replaced by Guthro after 50)
That was my thinking.
7 Oct 2011, 18:02 pm
These false Patriots here whining over Barney and undermining the great apostle Pieter dont know their poephols from their backsides…
Farken traitorous, blasphemous bunch.
7 Oct 2011, 18:03 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-306: No it is not that simple and your obvious dislike of Smit is blinding you to the many facets that seperate a winning team from a losing team. No one player will ever make a team successful over a season or a failure. There are many reasons why the boks have not been successful over the past 2 years and actually the series win against the British Lions in 2009 hinted at what was to come. In this series we battled against their forwards (despite everyone saying before the tests that even our provincial franchises would whip the Lions) and we ended up being fortunate to win the series. The problem is our game plan is past its sell by date and in many of the areas we used to dominate we no longer do. When we do not dominate in the tight five we lose more than we win. That is why we are battling and this is not Smits fault. The boks still stand a chance because of the courage they play with and our great scrambling defence.
7 Oct 2011, 18:03 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-317: I think apostle Pieter, Coach of coaches knows best… If he thinks Barney is best to start and Bissy is best to finish then thats excellent by me.
7 Oct 2011, 18:04 pm
i think flo will replace Spies after 50 and Alberts will come on for Victor after 60
7 Oct 2011, 18:04 pm
James should not have been in the 22. Beast was a far more valuable player for this game. Unless if the coaching staff lack confidence in our game plan.
7 Oct 2011, 18:05 pm
Its all about winning…
Pieter is a winner.
Barney is a winner.
Bissy is a winner.
Win, win, win.
7 Oct 2011, 18:06 pm
@Airwell(Airwell)-322: I said what I thought before the team was announced (Beast not there, Guthro starts).
We’ll see. Depends how the game goes.
7 Oct 2011, 18:07 pm
@Airwell(Airwell)-322: Interesting. You may have cracked the code.
7 Oct 2011, 18:07 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-324: I don’t want to be in your shoes if we lose. I’ll chew my wrists.
7 Oct 2011, 18:08 pm
We need to donnor the Aussies, and that’s why we need guys like Guthro, Bismark, Alberts, Hougaard on (fresh) in the last 20.
7 Oct 2011, 18:10 pm
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-327: Why, because I support my Boks wholeheartedly…?
Because I am not a lukewarm supporter (with the emphasis on luke)?
No fark that. None of this traitorous shenanigans for me where chaps are trying selfishly to line themselves up a nice, big “I told you so”…. Cowards the lot of them.
7 Oct 2011, 18:11 pm
@malcolm(malcolm)-320:
I’ve watched Smit LOSE ENOUGH.. I am SICK to the teeth of watching Smit LOSE every ******* game he starts.. how many MORE you wanna watch…
Sunday is the LAST ONE.. Thank f’ng God…!!!!
Keep f’ng dreaming… Smit is a LOSER.. Bismark is a winner .. its been played out so many times in clear crystal daylight.. its EXACTLY how the cookie crumbles.. be my guest believe in the wishful thinking tooth fairy as hopefully optimistic as you like
Smit starts = we lose
Bismark starts = we win
Klaar gekla see you Sunday after the dastardly deed is finally done…
7 Oct 2011, 18:15 pm
I dont want to give any I told you so’s on Sunday or Monday…
I am supporting my Bok side…
I will even support Donkey although historically he has let us down repeatedly…
No, not for me this cowardly, chicken like, bambi-in-headlights wavering.
Fark that. I support Barney, I support Pieter and I support Bissy to win on Sunday.
And if we win I will come after these traitorous cowardly fuckwits like a hurricane. I will remind them of their weaknesses. Their lack of spines.
Farkem all.
7 Oct 2011, 18:16 pm
Okay I tried to follow the arguments on here but it seems people are either saying the same thing over and over in a different way or not saying anything at all really.
What I do think most of us forget when discussing selections is that we do it on a game plan WE would like to see and not the one we KNOW will be implemented on the day.
For my money, this team selected is pretty much spot on given the team we are up against, and players to implement and execute the game plan for a full 80 minutes.
I read somewhere about journalists and who they reckon should play…
Firstly, if we use journalist as rugby authorities (most of them, not all) then we should rather stop watching or debating the game of rugby.
Secondly, from a couple of ‘teams of the tournament’ or pool stages I saw, I am confused how a player like Francois Hougaard makes a form XV (starting) when his inclusion is based on his form as an impact player…
Am I the only one that finds this mind-boggling?
7 Oct 2011, 18:16 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-330: Ja, farkof till Sunday, you spineless lump of jelly…
7 Oct 2011, 18:18 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-332: What is your prediction?
7 Oct 2011, 18:19 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-332: In whose Form XV is Hougaard?
I presume for the RWC Form XV?
7 Oct 2011, 18:19 pm
@Airwell(Airwell)-334:
CC: Bulls, Lions, Sharks, Cheetahs
RWC: Ireland, France, SA, NZ
7 Oct 2011, 18:20 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-335:
Ja dude it was the form XV for the pool stages I believe.
Cannot remember for the life of me which site’s it was, but must have been either Rugby365 or RWC official site…
7 Oct 2011, 18:21 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-329: I’m very passionate about my team and our chances. I’m just not THAT confident. We can win, and I think we have a good chance, but I’m not 100% sure. We can win or lose. Many things can happen; lose one or two players, a few bad decisions….
7 Oct 2011, 18:21 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-329: Got f’all to do with not supporting the Boks.. your support is based on falsified premise.. You are NOT being true to your inner gut…
If they fckup the strategy by employing the WRONG personnel and deploying fake false parameters of reason to decidedly WEAKEN the team and the individuals resolve within the team.. they DO NOT deserve to win.. simple as that….
Hows this dumb fck clown Ratel Brussow suggesting Bismark must simply suck it up that this is a ‘team’ decision and Smitty starts so Bismark must just byt vas and fck the opposition up for Smitty ALSO….
Smitty must do his own poeftaheid dirty work.. he cannot KEEP riding side saddle up front while Bismark and others do ALL the f’ng GRAFT and Smitty sucks up to the kings and the queens and accepts all the f’ng accolades
FCK THAT .. thats a crock of garbage false pretentious bullshit baffling balderdash sets of rugby principles… Smit must FCK OFF if he is NOT EQUAL TO THE TASK of leading his team FROM the FRONT ON MERIT
If Boks have FCKD up WHOLESALE by playing Smit up front and Bismark to CLEAN UP his f’ng MESS every time for a pat on the goody two shoes cheek… FCK THAT.. then Boks simply do not deserve to win if they CANNOT PICK THEIR STRONGEST SIDE FROM KICK OFF .. then they must take the consequences and carry the can of their stupefied nincompoop dumb fck useless decisions…
7 Oct 2011, 18:22 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-336: mine are the same except the last one Arg as I think the choke is coming out this weekend and like Gary Kirsten said on ESPN cricket the next All Black coach will be discussing how to deal with the WC choke.
7 Oct 2011, 18:23 pm
Wales
England
Bokke
NZ
7 Oct 2011, 18:24 pm
@Airwell(Airwell)-340:
Argentina are missing too many key players – if they were at full strength I would have given them a 30% chance of an upset, right now I am not giving them 10%.
7 Oct 2011, 18:26 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-342: How much chance did you give NZ in the last cricket World Cup?
7 Oct 2011, 18:28 pm
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-338: Its a 50/50 to be sure with the ref playing a part.
Both teams have very contrasting strengths and weakness… I am not confident, hence the bravado, but hellsbells am in full on support mode now.
Call it blind support but I will be shouting, screaming and willing every Bok player on that field come Sunday… even the ones I dont normally rate.
Fark that, we’ve got to be behind our team, otherwise where is the fun in supporting if you can’t support them wholeheartedly?
7 Oct 2011, 18:30 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-337: I reckon North must be up there as form wing so far.
7 Oct 2011, 18:33 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-339: Yeah but you are being negative and actually saying the Boks will definitely lose. I prefer to support wholeheartedly at this stage… No point in being negative about certain players now, unless you are selfishly building up for one of your “I told you so’s”…
Its spineless. But hey, you and Cab must do what you want to do. Use one man as scapegoat before the game is even played… I think thats a load of hogwash now.
7 Oct 2011, 18:34 pm
@Airwell(Airwell)-343:
You probably mean Rugby World Cup.
They are always the favourites and for good reason, and the loss against France was a shocker.
But France is very much a tier 1 country, hosted the event and pulled out 80 minutes of rugby only they can.
Argentina does not have the fire-power even to contemplate an upset against New Zealand I am afraid.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-345:
Their captain has even been more impressive, what a player he will turn out to be. Wales is back on the up, I reckon they will dominate NH rugby for the next couple of years actually.
North has amazing balance for such a big guy. Real talent.
7 Oct 2011, 18:34 pm
Smit is a f’ng LOSER… I’ve had my FILL with f’ng losers.. I seen ENOUGH of that hopeless puffed up egocentric hump of f’ng lardass LOSING EVERY f’ng game he runs on the field LEADING his f’ng team from the f’ng REAR
Smit is a F’NG LOSER.. and LOSERS do NOT deserve to win ANYTHING
Thank fck Sunday is the last time I gotta watch this dumb fck hopeless lump of losing lost cause lardass cause any more f’ng losing every time he dons the green and gold..
Enough is f’ng ENOUGH !!
Pity is he has caused every one ELSE to lose as well as a result of his useless LOSING f’ng mentality .. even those that should be WINNERS like BISMARK gotta suck it up and be a LOSER because they are carrying a fckng LOSER on their shoulders for posterity … Sucks Big Time.. and is one fat crock of bullshit baffling crass garbage losing sentimental trash.. Fck Off Smit.. You done ENOUGH f’ng damage for ONE lifetime ALREADY.. GET f’ng GONE.. before your fckd up legacy causes any more LOSING in its fckd up wake…
7 Oct 2011, 18:34 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-336: France…? Interesting. Ireland too.
7 Oct 2011, 18:36 pm
Ratel Brussow praat nie half kak nie. Plod fanboys need to wake up and see Bissie is levels ahead of him as a player, almost as embarrassing as skoppie using statistics to prove snorre isn’t **** when he inherited the most settled and talented players of any coach in my lifetime.
7 Oct 2011, 18:37 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-346:
If we lose there will be NO I told you so’s
.. I’m telling you NOW so there are NO I told you so’s after the fact….
If we win I’ll be happy as a lark and a pig in sh’t.. even though Smit don’t deserve it the rest of the team DO…
But if we LOSE there’ll be no I told you so’s because I’m telling you so NOW not after it transpires in real time action.
7 Oct 2011, 18:38 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-347: Yeah, Warburton had a game of note against the Boks. To be honest, he maybe shaded Ratel in the 2nd half, with Ratel being on top in the first.
Would have enjoyed seeing him up against Pocock, but not to be. I reckon he will give a slight edge to Wales in their game against Ireland.
7 Oct 2011, 18:40 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-349:
France for two reasons. England imo has been utter **** so far and is living of a prayer. France has basically told their coach to **** off and they will be going into this match and play for each other.
That to me will make them super dangerous, and super motivated. Now a motivated (emotional) France will go one of two ways, play one of the best games you will ever witness or implode complete – I am gambling on the prior.
Ireland, well for the very reason why certain teams do well in RWC even though other teams play prettier rugby.
Wales play pretty rugby, Ireland plays a suffocating game. They have a brilliant pack, a dead-eye **** goal kicker and overall, a very experienced team. They will suffocate a Welsh team that will look to speed everything up. For my money, a bit of a replay where and how Ireland beat the flashy Aussies.
7 Oct 2011, 18:40 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-351: Well, I’m telling you now you are wrong.
Wrong in facts…
Wrong in sentiment…
7 Oct 2011, 18:42 pm
If old Smit was not pulled of the Wales game we would have lost that test
7 Oct 2011, 18:43 pm
Dagg will be the RwC top try scorer
7 Oct 2011, 18:51 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-353: Yeah. The French. Reminds me a bit of the 99 WC when they were in disarray and then Lamaison and co suddenly played the one of the best 2nd halves of rugger ever against the ABs. But they play against England, and England seem to have a knack of knowing how to beat the French at RWC’s. Agree about the way England have been playing – utter rubbish. I would love France to win but against England they always seem to fall short in RWC.
I reckon Wales have some steel in their pack that has been missing for years. Yes, they do tend to play the pretty stuff but I just get this sense that Wales are a team about to come of age. If they beat Ireland I really believe they will make the final. It also helps them playing against a NH side – it will give them belief which sometimes is lacking against a SH side.
I hope you’re right about France though – the absolute woe and whinging in the papers over here will be highly entertaining
7 Oct 2011, 18:52 pm
@JL1(JL1)-355: Now THERE is a FACT
all this other half kak garbage these Smittyfied poeftaheid arsecreeps wanna try sell you is the BIGGEST LOAD of half kak poeftaheid KRAP
Wales will take Ireland and France CAN take England but depends the strength of their mentality and resolve
SA don’t deserve to beat Aussie due to their FCKD UP selection policies and NZ will clean up Argy…
7 Oct 2011, 18:53 pm
@Die_Valk(Die_Valk)-350:
Bissie’s ‘attitude’ (what has been discussed in this thread a bit) reminds me quite a bit of another player (very good player and in top form at the time) about 3 years or so ago.
A certain Luke Watson.
I wonder if the same people rooting for Bissie over John today are the same that rooted for for Luke back then (I know some are) – or was team dynamic (Luke being disruptive) only important back then and it is not something that is important now?
7 Oct 2011, 18:57 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-359: you another one of these kiss arse goody three shoes lets do it for the cappy boys kinda guys.. oh well No wonder boks can’t win a fckng game of tiddly winks under that piece of lardass poefta these days.. its all about KISSING F’NG ARSE..!!
7 Oct 2011, 18:59 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-358: No Skop
Wales will slip, they do not have the nerve in tight games
Watch the Boks, we are 2 players away from clicking
Aussies picked the wrong ones.McCabe is a carthorse, Digby will play with a broken finger and Sharpe and Elsom as see better days
Elsom has really lost pace
7 Oct 2011, 19:01 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-359: No words of a split camp at all
Those are all stories made up, Bissy is singing Smits praises
7 Oct 2011, 19:01 pm
@JL1(JL1)-361: You have a point over Wobbly selection… I am not sure if Deans has got it right… He certainly has made a few strange selections.
7 Oct 2011, 19:02 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-359: I do not think it is the same. Watson was forced into the squad by politicians whereas Bismarck based soley on playing ability probably does merit starting. I do think though some of these attacks on Smit are disgusting. He is one of our most successful captains has been at the helm for a World Cup and 2 tri-nations victories and now some feel he is a loser! What utter rubbish.
7 Oct 2011, 19:04 pm
@JL1(JL1)-361:
If we YANK Smit early enough we have a chance.. if we don’t we’re toast… get him Off as soon as the first cracks appear and there’s a faint glimmer of hope.. play him into 60 minutes we could be in deep trouble.. hopefully we still in strike distance by the time he is off…
7 Oct 2011, 19:10 pm
I was never in the Watson camp pa, not sure how you can compare the two. Bissie is pissed because he knows he’s good enough and wants to play. Watson is a man of agendas who’s never been as good as his fans believe.
7 Oct 2011, 19:12 pm
Many say that there are other disruptive personalities in this Bok squad. They say it is the selectors who play as well. Not sure who they are though!
7 Oct 2011, 19:15 pm
Good to see you here, PA. Remember you talking sense here when my nic was Cheetahs or something like that 5 years ago. One of the few.
7 Oct 2011, 19:15 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-360:
The day you decide to engage someone in a civilized (nevermind readable) manner is the day I take whatever you say more seriously. But as for your statement, I don’t know Smit, never met him, which means there is no point in kissing any ***.
@JL1(JL1)-362:
Mate you saw as well as I do Bissie’s kak attitude when he was subbed in PE – no matter how anyone wants to paint that, it is **** like that which divides a team. Subsequent to that quotes in the media on his ‘feelings’ regarding issues does not take a genius to figure out he does not agree with how he is treated.
My argument against Watson at the time was very similar – stupendously talented player, but a kak attitude and when it comes down to it, rugby is a team game.
Bissie is not the first rugby player that had to wait in line behind another player in a team setup, he will not be the last. But in a team environment you count on the guy next to you to have your back all the time, and for my money, Bissie is all about Bissie first, and team second.
7 Oct 2011, 19:17 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-369:
Good to see you mate, I still pop in but not as often as I would like to – it is just a bloody crazy time of the year for me.
7 Oct 2011, 19:17 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-28: If only JS had your sense of patriotism and integrity.THEN HE WOULD HAVE STEPPED DOWN.
7 Oct 2011, 19:18 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-369:
You are one of the most respected bloggers here, but Bissie is not the only players who puts his own interests first. There is one in particular. I want to win this one for me. I owe it to myself. Ring a bell…
7 Oct 2011, 19:18 pm
Players complementing each other means a happy squad? Next thing they’ll say politicians denying rumours always tell the truth.
7 Oct 2011, 19:18 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-369: Have you ever been subbed?
7 Oct 2011, 19:19 pm
look, john will start right, now consider that if we open up a good lead and in fact increase it to a great ffukken lead in the 2nd half then it is my view that bismarck du plessis should not even come on at all.
just let john close out the game in such a scenario, unless this is likely to tire him out too much for the next game. if thats the case then sub him. bissy will make another world cup at worst or get game time against nz or whoever we meet in the final at best.
7 Oct 2011, 19:22 pm
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-375: 100% right.
7 Oct 2011, 19:24 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-369: excellent post (both replies within your post).
7 Oct 2011, 19:24 pm
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-375: agreed.
7 Oct 2011, 19:26 pm
@malcolm(malcolm)-364: I agree that some of the attacks on Smit are disgusting.
7 Oct 2011, 19:26 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-365: I disagree with this post.
7 Oct 2011, 19:27 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-372:
You can then count Vic, Bakkies, Jean, Mossie, FDP, Habana, Schalk, JPP, and just about all the senior players (and RWC winners of 2007) that made this commitment to one another in 2009 in the same category.
They all believe(d) they are capable of something great – they might (have been) be right still – time will tell.
I don’t regard myself in a position or as an authority to question what they believe they are capable of doing, hell they have been there and gotten most t-shirts, I am just a dude with an opinion on a blog!
One thing I do know however is that belief is 90% of the journey, the other 10% is the physical stuff.
I am just never going to be arrogant enough to tell them ‘prove me wrong’, I am much happier ‘telling them’; “Okay, if you believe you can do it, best of luck, and I am going to support you 100%”
7 Oct 2011, 19:28 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-359: yes, many who dislike Smit, like Watson.
I can see the parallels.
7 Oct 2011, 19:28 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-352: I reckon Ireland will beat Wales, just a hunch.
7 Oct 2011, 19:29 pm
@optiplay(optiplay)-374:
Not just that, I have made the call to sub individuals – when subbed I understood that is what the guy in charge thought was best for the team and I never took it personally. When I made the call, I wanted my players to know the same thing.
7 Oct 2011, 19:29 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-376:
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-378:
of course if the boks win the thing that way the domestos haters will say it was despite john playing that they won it.
personally, i’d love for john to take that one into the history books.
‘the first and, to date, only captain of a rugby team to have won not one but two world cups despite himself’…wowsers…..
7 Oct 2011, 19:30 pm
If we lose it will be because Matfield and Rossouw could not impose themselves on the Aussies and get us acendancy in the tight phases. Both are good players and will do nothing wrong but I feel that neither fill the Aussies with terror. Bakkies was probably as big a loss for us as Carter was for NZ if he could have captured some of his old form for even 50 minutes against Australia we may have been able to do to their pack what Ireland did. This would have made Steyn a factor. Failing this Steyn becomes our potential weak link offering little on attack or defence and there is no doubt the Aussies given good possession will target him. A frontrow with Smit targeting the Aussies in the scrums also make rugby sense as this is one of Australia’s weaknesses against N. Hemisphere teams over the years.
7 Oct 2011, 19:33 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-381:
Fair enough and I agree. Many bloggers wrote a lot of rubbish about Luke and now that Smit is in the firing line, all is well. I want the team to win the Webb-Ellis and wish all the guys well. But like you say it is about opinions and when some people offer theirs they become haters or trolls.
Smit I believe has gone one season too far and Bissie is way better than him in my and most people’s opinions.
7 Oct 2011, 19:33 pm
Folks I must take leave now, I will try and pop in later again – but take care, enjoy the rugby this weekend and Go Boks!
7 Oct 2011, 19:35 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-369: What are you basing your facts on?His anger when he was subbed??You have nothing to support your argument. Maybe being subbed was not even the reason he was annoyed.Comparing his to the LW saga is so far from reality it is laughable.You have one incident where a guy looks angry when subbed and you feel he is eroding the spirit of his team.?Come on!!! Bismarck has done very little wrong.It is the posts on this site that make him look bad.
7 Oct 2011, 19:36 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-369: yeah I kinda thought as much you far too ‘respectable’ to actually tell it like it IS
You the kind of goody four shoes guy who don’t know how to play your guts out (much like Smit) and then you the first to call someone ‘disruptive’ because he wears his heart on his sleeve for giving it EVERYTHING he’s got..
You the kinda old school ponce that believes rugby is all about blazers and toff hats and jolly good show old chap stiff upper lip up your whatsit we doing it for the guvner so we don’t count we simply come LAST in the pecking order so lets just do or die and don’t ask any questions whats the reason for..
Yeah you wouldn’t know a bust for glory kinda real rugby player if he whipped your good for nothing goody two shoes arse…
7 Oct 2011, 19:36 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-369:
Sure, Bissy may be doing a bit od a “Wayne Rooney” at the moment. Give him a break. I can tell you, when he comes on the field, his boetie and the other boys are going to ALL show their appreciation of his presence. Total Onslaught! These Vrystaat broers do not deserve to be divided by an unwilling imposter.
7 Oct 2011, 19:37 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-388:
Cheers mate.
7 Oct 2011, 19:37 pm
And GO IRELAND!! I lived in Dublin for two years. I have never met more genuine and humble people.
7 Oct 2011, 19:37 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-387:
Mate is not just rugby, it is life.
I read an interesting quote today which might apply.
“Getting knocked down is part of life, these day, so is getting up. What will define you however, is how you get up”
7 Oct 2011, 19:38 pm
@malcolm(malcolm)-386:
yip, danie and schalk will have to step up big time to make up for bakkies. not holding out for spies to get a groove going in any of the tight loose stuff but do hope he at least runs hard and straighter more than he does diagonally.
i’ve got a feeling gurthro is gonna be huge in cleaning out and ball carrrying.
7 Oct 2011, 19:38 pm
Reckon PA knows far more about rugby than the broken clock skopskiet!
7 Oct 2011, 19:39 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-394:
Too true.
7 Oct 2011, 19:39 pm
@malcolm(malcolm)-386: Good post!
7 Oct 2011, 19:44 pm
yip i’m out,
but before i go, to all the haters i just wanna say: you tjops!…
to all the player23 ‘no matter what’ supporters i just wanna say: you tops…
go bokke!
go for bakkies, because he would go for you…
7 Oct 2011, 19:44 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-369: How come he sang Smits praises?.
7 Oct 2011, 19:46 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-369: You got it all arse about face
Bissie isn’t the me first cancerous catalyst in the setup putting himself ahead of the team.. the aura mystified bullsh’t baffles ALL the f’ng brains captain IS
you gotta have eyes for pimples on your arse…
7 Oct 2011, 19:47 pm
Also outta here. Good luck Boks…
7 Oct 2011, 19:49 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-384: Look I am a hippocrate in the highest degree. If JS plays a good game I will be the first one to praise his name.I just prefer the NZ way of dealing with players. If you loose form ,you are out . You can come back when you form is better ,but until then ,SORRY..(Pierre Spies comes to mind)
And JS and PdV know that they are walking a tight line with this one .You can use the same argument against Smit and say he is eroding the spirit in the team.
7 Oct 2011, 19:51 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-396: you up PA’s arse almost as bad as you up that self righteous egocentric schmuckaluck who’s only ambition is to crown himself in self righteous glory.. shows what kind of schmucks you hold in high esteem.. you such a little nancy boy its almost written across your pathetic little snotty nosed demeanor you poor fuckup of an arsecreep imbecile…
7 Oct 2011, 19:51 pm
@optiplay(optiplay)-389:
Mate read the label of this place.
In fact, read the posts.
Show me one fact in this whole thread… It is opinion.
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-390:
Dude, the mere fact that you don’t think that EVERY single guy currently in NZ will not give their all for the team, jersey and country wearing their hearts on their sleeves shows your utter lack of appreciation and understanding for what is essentially rugby union and a team game.
But I am not surprised, I remember having this same conversation with you in 2007 (just before we won the RWC).
@Jinx2(Jinx2)-391:
Mate don’t get me wrong. I love Bissie, I love his ‘waddefokkykdjy’ look in his eyes whenever he takes the field. Bissie probably represents the attitude of SA Rugby best! Running through brick wall type **** if it means I get to wear the jersey!
Bissie is without any doubt whatsoever not only the best hooker in world rugby today, but the hardest working tight 5 rugby player in world rugby who, as Victor Matfield did for lock play, could (if managed correctly) re-define the role of a hooker in modern rugby.
I predict, and you can quote me on this, Bissie (and Hougie) will destroy Oz on Sunday and be the difference in the game when they come on. Their impact on this game in their currently assigned roles, will be the difference between SA and Oz Sunday.
Then again, I might be complete wrong.
Anycase, have fun folks, thanks for the chat, stay safe.
7 Oct 2011, 19:53 pm
Hehehehe… watch Divvy rub all your faces in it… he’s planning to keep Smitty on for 80… Bissi on at 40 minutes & Jannie gets a break!
7 Oct 2011, 19:54 pm
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-399: you dunno a hater from a faker you poor self embellished arrogance emblazoned strop stop schmock
7 Oct 2011, 19:55 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-405: I have to give that to you.It is opinion.This is a good post by you.Thanx.
7 Oct 2011, 19:59 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-405: you the schmuck that labelled Bismark a selfish disruptive individual and NOT a team player because he wore his heart on his sleeve by showing his displeasure and disappointment after BUSTING a F’NG GUT for HIS TEAM and HIS COUNTRY.. and then being subbed for that overrated piece of useless selfish lardass who is simply INCAPABLE of doing the same .. you hypocritical wanking arsehole.. Not me..
7 Oct 2011, 19:59 pm
@a poop in the loo-404: aren’t we the intolerant little contrary Mary today?
7 Oct 2011, 20:00 pm
@optiplay(optiplay)-408:
We all want (what we believe) is best for the team, that in itself means no-one here is wrong. My opinion means no more than yours.
7 Oct 2011, 20:00 pm
Oh dear, someone’s been hitting the bottle again.
7 Oct 2011, 20:01 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-409:
I will leave it to you to read what I said, and then read your own post. I believe the answer you are looking for is already there – I doubt you will see it though.
Good luck and goodnight.
7 Oct 2011, 20:01 pm
I think skoppie knows he’s talking **** half of the time, he just thrives on attention. Anyway good seeing you PA, looking forward to the Oirish and the chior boys squaring off tomorrow.
7 Oct 2011, 20:05 pm
PA knows absolutely Fck’all about rugby and it ABSOLUTELY shows.. he calls Bismark a disruptive force along the similar lines as Watson because Bismark KNOWS he is CARRYING JOHN SMIT.. and because BISMARKS ONLY DESIRE is to put himself and his body ON THE LINE for his TEAM and HIS COUNTRY FIRST and FOREMOST
UNLIKE the self righteous piece of self centered useless lardass of a self seeking Captain F’ng Aura who’s ONLY desire is to be the FIRST f’ng Godly inspired goody two shoes arsewipe hero who has lifted Bill twice….
7 Oct 2011, 20:06 pm
@Die_Valk(Die_Valk)-414:
Hope to catch up soon again, but I must be off now, time for me and my 4-year old to go break some **** in the garage playing indoor cricket!
Ciao.
7 Oct 2011, 20:07 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-411:
Point taken, boet.
7 Oct 2011, 20:09 pm
@a shampoo in the loo-415: why do YOU keep SHOUTING in ALL your posts?
Relax.
7 Oct 2011, 20:11 pm
Paul O Connell looks like he is going to play himself into the team of the tournament. He just looks like a frikkin stormtrooper these days. Like he’s eaten sour potato salad in the bog mist. He and Bissy should meet up in the final and see who has the heaviest stare
7 Oct 2011, 20:13 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-415: Now didnt PissAnt show you up for acting like a twat.
In your place, chump.
7 Oct 2011, 20:20 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-420: PA did nothing of the sort twat.. the one that got a rude awakening to his judgmental call regarding Bismarks so called ‘attitude’ is none other but your goody two shoes rugby guru PA himself… schmuckaluck..!
7 Oct 2011, 20:23 pm
I posted this on the Keo TV thread, I think this is appropriate for this one too.
The prediction does not even warrant a response. Keo, you should be carefull, I remember a certain article heading saying in the line of “It is the Aussies World Cup to lose”, and the very next day they lost to Ireland. It allmost comes across that you guys are wanting the Boks to lose. It is shamefull how you have been reporting during this RWC. That includes Ryan. In the hard games, you guys immediatly back the opposition team. No 50 – 50 chance, just, “The Boks are going home” Shame, shame and again, SHAME! I know this is going to be a tough game, but we have REAL MEN, that are going to give their blood to defend our country’s honour on Sunday. Rather shut up and say thank you, because we as supporters are not good enough to be on the field, we have guys there that are not there just for a quick payday, they are there to win the bloody RWC! Go Bokke!
7 Oct 2011, 20:23 pm
@optiplay(optiplay)-389: Yep, I agree
7 Oct 2011, 20:26 pm
@optiplay(optiplay)-403: Hello?
Fitzy played for years
You forgot about Rockococo and Sivi get chance after chance
Ali Williams, no locks so they need him
Nonu, Henry had seasons of patience with him
7 Oct 2011, 20:27 pm
@MG(MG)-422: There’s quite a few out there just waiting for when the Boks lose (let’s hope they don’t) just so they can say: “I told you so.”
7 Oct 2011, 20:30 pm
Well Wooden Spoon, the fact is, that is all that they have been saying. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
7 Oct 2011, 20:30 pm
@MG(MG)-422: They, and with that I mean the peasants reporting into Keo, have now mimicked his style, as what is expected
Why would one of these writers differ with Keo?
KEO
Get some writers with big balls.Get someone that will not say Ja Baas, Nee Baas, sewe sakke baas and write against your drivel that you spew
7 Oct 2011, 20:30 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-421: Well I saw different.
I actually don’t think you deserve to support the Boks the way you are carrying on… You and Cab… With “supporters” like you two, the Boks don’t need enemies. That’s for sure.
ET class supporters, the both of you. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if both of you don’t start shouting for the ABs soon like he has…
Farken “Patriots”… My arse.
7 Oct 2011, 20:34 pm
JL1 that’s why there are bloggers. To disagree!
7 Oct 2011, 20:37 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-429: Yes Dawn, but have a difference of opinion in your own camp, in the stories, not back slapping for years on end
Not a bunch of Ja Boeties, ek sè
7 Oct 2011, 20:38 pm
@JL1(JL1)-424: The players you are mentioning
1.Fitz – Was never that good of a player. But a good cheat.He still has that skill in the highest form . Nobody better. Should still make the starting line up on that skillset
2.Rockococo- He is stil actively playing first class rugby but is not making the team
3. Sivi – Was touch and go if he should make it this year, but was excluded on present form
4.Ali – Still playing good rugby and there is none better to push him out.I see no Chris Jack in the team
5. Nono – speaks for itself
There is a difference between developing a player and trying to milk something out of a player who is past his prime.
7 Oct 2011, 20:40 pm
@MG(MG)-422: Good point. The absolute karnts.
And there are many around… The farken Camps Bay Rubber ducky crew, the farken “sage” from Springs, and the Physicist of Spinelessness as well as the Keo journos.
All farken negative, spineless gits who don’t deserve to support the Boks.
Farkem all.
7 Oct 2011, 20:42 pm
@optiplay(optiplay)-431: You just justifying it
Rocko is and was rubbish under the high ball yet they played him for 2 years there
Developing Nonu, Eish man that could have turned out south as well
Stefan Terblanche is playing top flite rugby, so what
7 Oct 2011, 20:44 pm
I fully agree that John Smit is a hasbeen. He has done well for the team when they were in need, but he has been sub-par lately. If he was such an amazing leader he would realize that what the team needs is for him to step down, and let a younger much better player take his place.
7 Oct 2011, 20:44 pm
The Boks have some unfinished business to attend to this weekend. And going to the airport is not one of them. It’s going to be tough. But the job will be done. And it won’t be pretty.
7 Oct 2011, 20:46 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-432: HG, I am with you on this one
These farken losers, fair weather supporters must now take a flying fck at a rolling donut
They do not ever have to support the Boks
I walked around Trafalgar this morning and saw many Bok fans wearing the shirt, saw the at SA House and on the tube, my heart swelled
7 Oct 2011, 20:47 pm
Skoppie, you been hitting the bottle again? It’s Friday night, so that’s okay. But you sound intoxicated. Your beef with PissAnt isn’t based on sound logic. You’re just plucking words out of his posts to suit your agenda. Give it a rest.
And also, chill with the derogatory rubbish about Smit. Until you post a pic showing off your tremendous physique, terms like lardass should be kept to yourself. The guy doesn’t pick himself. And no player in the world would turn down selection. So clearly Div, Rassie and a bunch of other people who know volumes more than you do thought him a good selection.
Chill out, or shut up, and enjoy the game.
7 Oct 2011, 20:48 pm
@bokkestr84win(bokkestr84win)-434: that’s kak man. Smit has been far better at this world cup than in the 3N.
You’re just bleating the same old baa baa that does the rounds on this forum.
7 Oct 2011, 20:49 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-435: I am with you and ….
@>^..^< katman(katman)-437: ….and you
@bokkestr84win(bokkestr84win)-434: …and fark off……
@optiplay(optiplay)-431: ….do not watch the game,please do not watch it
7 Oct 2011, 20:50 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-405:
“Bissie is without any doubt whatsoever not only the best hooker in world rugby today, but the hardest working tight 5 rugby player in world rugby who, as Victor Matfield did for lock play, could (if managed correctly) re-define the role of a hooker in modern rugby.”
Right there is exactly the reason he should be starting in a RWC 1/4 final on Sunday, because he is the best. The no 2 jersey should be his.
7 Oct 2011, 20:50 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-428: yeah like your f’ng pseudo runtcunt supporters like this woody woodpeckertjie piepiejoller here you STILL don’t know or can recognize a PROPER supporter from a false one…
There is NOTHING cab and others who decry this fckup of a fake filled selection would not like to see more than Boks winning this WC.. but the likes of those with OBJECTIVE vision is SUCH that they will NOT be BLINDED by outright atrocious BULLSHIT baffling balderdash.. when the national team selection puts prestige and fcking aura enriched platitudes of garbage self seeking sentiment AHEAD of bust a gut all for one and one for all GLORY
Smit is the f’ng cancer in the woodwork here and you stupid so called fake arse ‘patriots’ STILL cannot see where it ACTUALLY cuts.. and why certain supporters and true patriots want the BEST for THEIR COUNTRY and their TEAM and NOT the F’ng self sought watered down platitudes of wishful thinking Compromised MEDIOCRITY in its place…
So REAL fact of the REAL matter here is the likes of Cab and others who will NOT be led by garbage filtered presupposed fake arse compromises and insincerity of intent KNOW what the best interest for the country ACTUALLY IS.. and you fake arse half arse supporters who gallantly and willingly shut your eyes to the fallout about to engulf your awareness and go willy nilly hell for glory over the precipice of hero worshiped fallacies.. all for the sake of some fake arse NON genuine and half hearted attempt at ‘so called blind believing Patriotism” Its FAKE .. open your dumb fck eyes to the TRUTH .. then you might actually become a true supporter and a true honor to your country and your team…
Else go on believing in the bullsh’t ‘attitude’ maladjustment that your rugby guru PA told you that Bismark suffers under along with others the likes of Watson etc and etc…
7 Oct 2011, 20:50 pm
F’ckn fair weather supporters… it’s about bladdy time the rational majority revolt and put this derogatory mob in their place.
Fark off traitor scum.
7 Oct 2011, 20:52 pm
Viva Bokke Viva
(no caveats or conditions and certainly no I told you so’s)
7 Oct 2011, 20:53 pm
@JL1(JL1)-436: Nothing wrong with stating an opinion, but this is just OTT negative bullshit, now.
Its not even intended as humour and is nothing more than setting up stall for the “I told you so’s”…
Chaps want a reaction then they will get one.
It just won’t be entirely positive.
7 Oct 2011, 20:54 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-432: Do you think to question the coaching staff is wrong?I absolutely support the Boks.But I do not have the same sentiments towards the coaching staff.For 2 years Pdv has tried hard to get it wrong and I am afraid that this time he might just succeed. His whole history does not shine of success or logic. If by some means we win this tournament, I will lift my hat to him but in the process would have done a lot of damage.Rugby is not only about the WC.We have the players but not the coach.
Go Boks.@JL1(JL1)-433: You know we are overcooking JS.
7 Oct 2011, 20:55 pm
Check these fair weather sorts rubbing their hands in glee just waiting for the Boks to fall…
Sick.
7 Oct 2011, 20:56 pm
If u believe any SA fan on this site wants the Boks to lose, then u even more stupid than you sound. Please god let me be wrong.
As for patriots, let us get one thing perfectly clear, not one person living outside SA is a true patriot, that includes me, so stop talking out your big patriotic blowholes. And the one’s that certainly are not patriotic are the one’s who’ve been nailing PdV when times are bad, only now to feel more positive again, you know whats going to happen, we;ve seen it time and time again, the Boks lose and you all blame De Villiers like the bunch of unpatriotic whinging miserable old queens u are.
7 Oct 2011, 20:57 pm
@JL1(JL1)-439: Sorry I am a bit slow.Why should I not watch the game??
7 Oct 2011, 20:58 pm
Its got farkall to do with “standing up for Bismarck”, its to do with THEIR ego’s and their “I told you so’s”.
“Patriots”… Look at them now.
7 Oct 2011, 20:58 pm
moan moan moan, whinge whinge whinge, squeal squeal squeal.
7 Oct 2011, 21:00 pm
Same old,same old,
a few old nicks
and a kakhuis full wankers.
7 Oct 2011, 21:00 pm
@optiplay(optiplay)-448: All fair weather fans should have their viewing rights revoked
Go paint the geyser,or go vas dans on the plaas, ortake up a new hobby, but in for a penny in for a pound
You either support the Boks or do the lawn and shut up doomsday prophets
7 Oct 2011, 21:01 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-450:
yip exactly what you;ve done the last 3 years about dippy divvy devilliers and u looked like a right royal prat every time he shoved it down your gullet.
7 Oct 2011, 21:01 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-446: @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-444: this little pseudo runtcunt wanna start calling themselves ‘true patriots’
hah whatafucking blowhole laugh .. you pathetic bunch of second grade pseudo runtcunt arsecreep glory seekers dunno the BEGINNING of what ANY kind of ‘PATRIOTISM’ actually is worthy to uphold.
Pathetic moronic imbecilic pseudo arsed phoefyfied ingenious hypocrites of the utmost bullshitting baffling kind !!!
7 Oct 2011, 21:01 pm
All I can say is Smit is taking a massive gamble with his legacy. He will not be remembered for his success in ’07 but whatever happens in ’11 will define his career. I reckon if he pulls it off he will be up their with Danie Craven. ABSA/Kings Park will have to change to Smit Park/Stadium.
7 Oct 2011, 21:02 pm
@Duiwel(Duiwel)-451: Ok, I have an old nick, but I like wnking
7 Oct 2011, 21:03 pm
@cab(cab)-447: Thats bullshit CAb Im living overseas and thats not how I would have intended but how things have worked out and it does not make me less patriotic. There is not a day that Im not proud to be a SAfrican and coming from a wonderful country that is emerging out of a dark past with a nobility that has not been displayed in some seemingly more civilised countries. I have seen behavour overseas that is 10 times worse than the way we treat each other in SA
7 Oct 2011, 21:03 pm
Supporting a team 95% (only 21 players out of the 22) is not supporting a team at all.
When John Smit gets the ball, check this sorry lot pray he drops it or throws an intercept, or misses a tackle, just waiting on the edge of their seats to say “I told you so.”
We don’t want supporters like you.
7 Oct 2011, 21:05 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-457:
i do too, the real patriots are in SA, they have chosen not to look out for themselves and are working for the betterment of the country.
7 Oct 2011, 21:05 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-457: I agree with this, the ou toppie has lost perspective sitting there in France with his beret and neckerchief on, sipping his old world reds.
7 Oct 2011, 21:05 pm
@JL1(JL1)-452: Sorry .I still do not get it .Do you say to disagree with the team selection is being a fair weather fan ?
7 Oct 2011, 21:05 pm
@optiplay(optiplay)-445: Questioning is one thing, but to continually play a broken record with no new angle deserves contempt. And to be lilly livered cowards using the Smit/Bismarck selection as an excuse to write off the Boks before they have even played on Sunday also deserves contempt…
But you want to know a funny thing:
These **** will line up to slander Smit but will have nothing but praise for the Coach who selects him.
Hypocrites.
So, simply put, we have traitorous, cowardly hypocrites on Keo. Patriots arseholes… You decide what you want to be.
Me, I’m behind the Boks.
7 Oct 2011, 21:05 pm
fcking exiled Granny Lizzy pom pom arsecreeps calling themselves ‘patriots” now I heard it all.. and just 2 fcking days ago some of them were ready to nail the national coach to the cross themselves .. suddenly these two fckarse impostors wanna start referring to ‘themselves’ as “Patriots’ whatafukking two faced laugh of mega moegoe proportions…
7 Oct 2011, 21:07 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-458:
whose “we”, let me tell you peter de villiers dont want supporters like you, the country dont want supporters like you, take you Snor dippie horsemanure and fk right off. when u say “we” u mean some decrepit ex-natal last outpost in greater wimbledon – good god man – who gives a fk about the whenwe’s…
7 Oct 2011, 21:08 pm
@optiplay(optiplay)-461: this lot do not “question team selections.” Haha don’t make me laugh! They sit here all day and personally insult the most capped Bok of all time, taking absolute delight in doing so. Just a bunch of sheep bleating their filth and slapping each others’ backs.
Disgusting.
“Questioning team selections.” Haha don’t make me laugh.
7 Oct 2011, 21:09 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-454: So then please enlighting us about real fans, real support
If your troops go to war and get farked up because one troop, do you run, retreat or join another army?
7 Oct 2011, 21:10 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-454: You’re a patriots farken dutpipe…
You are so keen to use Smit as a scapegoat before the fact, yet will say nothing to criticise the coach who selects Smit in the first place.
Its all about setting up stall, hey? Well you’ve set up your stall now. A stall of cowardice, egotism and hypocrisy of the highest order…
All to try and have some “I told you so” one upmanship…
Go farken support the AB’s with ET…
7 Oct 2011, 21:11 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-465: I once criticised old Phil Waugh on a night out
His response:”Ah mate it is very easy in the cheap seats”
7 Oct 2011, 21:11 pm
@cab(cab)-459: And given the choice Id be there too , but having left with the intention of returning I find I now have no option but to remain overseas as I wont have a career back there. Not my choice
7 Oct 2011, 21:11 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-458: good post.
7 Oct 2011, 21:11 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-460: you the biggest little two faced nancy boy imbecilic half hearted impostor of a patriot YET.. you second grade little sniveling runtcunt piece of trasharse vermin.. sitting pretty up your impostor laden exiled patriotic tower of self righteous contempt..
Smit is the architect of his OWN vain glory.. and you feeble little phoefiefied nancy arsed imbecile STILL dunno a TRUE patriot from a FALSE one because you feeble little runtcunt sliver of pathetic garbage ARE exactly what you think you are NOT !!! Schmuckarse silver spoon fed garbage heap of scumarse trash that you ACTUALLY ARE..
7 Oct 2011, 21:12 pm
Old skopskiet here had a thing about Jake White since 2004.
Has a thing about John Smit.
Has a thing about FDP.
Has a thing about Spies.
Has a thing about the Boks? Sounds like it. What a real fan, what a big man.
We don’t want Negative Norahs like you, just waiting to say “I told you so”.
Why support the team if it’s with a huge caveat?
7 Oct 2011, 21:12 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-469:
i’m in exactly the same situation, there is always a choice, depends what sacrifice u willing to make. my post was not aimed at you, but these two right royal frot plonkers above.
7 Oct 2011, 21:13 pm
@cab(cab)-453: And that statement shows you up for the hypocrite you truly are… Slander Smit yet lick the ballas coaches who selects… Truly fcked in the head.
7 Oct 2011, 21:14 pm
@optiplay(optiplay)-461: No, we all disagree
Maybe I am losing you on Internet translation
What is your fix on the team?
Boks are underdogs, we are blowing way too much smoke up the Aussies backsides
7 Oct 2011, 21:14 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-455: One of the best posts of the day!!
7 Oct 2011, 21:15 pm
Crab is the biggest hypocrite of the lot… sucker punches Smit all day yet cuddles up to Pearl from Paarl (who by the way, selects Smit).
This ou toppie lacks a backbone, yapping with the loud crew.
7 Oct 2011, 21:16 pm
@JL1(JL1)-452: Ja, 100%. Support the Boks 100% or reap the whirlwind and STFU
7 Oct 2011, 21:16 pm
wtf is a ‘negative norah’?
lol, this oke is a huge dandy. fk i;ve just fallen off the chair with laughter.
is it someone who constantly berates or belittles the coach?
Is it someone who over the last 3 years feels we are going to lose everything because of the coach?
7 Oct 2011, 21:17 pm
@cab(cab)-459: Patriots?
Come now Cab, some do not have a choice in the matter, and cannot come and go as they please
7 Oct 2011, 21:17 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-474: Correction: And that statement shows you up for the hypocrite you truly are… Slander Smit yet lick the ballas of the coache who selects him… Truly fcked in the head.
7 Oct 2011, 21:17 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-474:
show me where i;ve slandered smit, come now, put up or shut up you daft twat.
7 Oct 2011, 21:18 pm
You are the biggest Negative Norah of the lot you bumbling old French winesoak.
7 Oct 2011, 21:19 pm
@cab(cab)-459: Speak for yourself. Go support the ABs chap… With supporters like you and your bumchu.m shampoodle, the Boks dont need enemies… Faken Jukskei Quislings the both of you.
7 Oct 2011, 21:19 pm
@JL1(JL1)-480:
Again, this is not aimed at you, this is aimed at the two Groot Meneer Patriote on here.
Patriots based in fkn Parys and London by the sea, nogal.
We all have a choice.
The point is i’m not about to be given a lecture on patriotism from these two whenwe poefda wets.
7 Oct 2011, 21:21 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-484:
what u mean berating and belittling litte Snorre dippy dippie the muhamad ali of coaches is a postive percival of hoe?
hypocrites.
7 Oct 2011, 21:21 pm
@cab(cab)-473: Hell i’ve even thought about just going back to help develop the skills of folks back home but would do you do about crime and what about your kids and wife and the crime situation etc. Just recently appointed honorary prof to a Uni in OZ and would luv to use my skills and knowledge to help folks in SA. Most of my family still back home and miss the place like hell but my kids were born in Holland so they are really Dutch.
7 Oct 2011, 21:21 pm
Anyway chaps, I’m out.
HG
JL1
Skop
Cab
Banana
and the rest
Good chatting. See you around.
7 Oct 2011, 21:22 pm
@JL1(JL1)-466: who is joining who’s army.. you fckd off LONG ago… so WHICH army did YOU JOIN ???
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-465: and so did YOU you fcking imbecilic little sliver of trash..
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-467: and so did you
Yet it is THESE 3 impostor fckng pseudo patriots that want to paint themselves as the last outpost of the great selfless Springbok supporters who will DIE for their beloved country…
You fcking arsewipe hypocritical schmucks take the ABSOLUTE cake of ALL cakes…
@JL1(JL1)-466:
‘Which Army have I ‘joined’ huh? I have berated the decision of a sporting coach to select a has been useless arsewipe of a f’ng self seeking self glorifying impostor of a captain over a player who is a THOUSAND times a better option and selection but due to YOUR blinded fckd up ‘patriotic’ Sentiment .. you prefer to Shut your eyes and go on praying to Godot or whoever it is you believe in that its RIGHT .. I have NOT joined any Foreign Legion army… even though its far more true and possibly appropriate to the fact here that you perhaps HAVE
7 Oct 2011, 21:23 pm
@cab(cab)-485: oh so now not every SA living abroad is a traitor now, just 2 in particular who happen to disagree with you?
Intolerant old fool.
7 Oct 2011, 21:24 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-465: Now I get it(a bit late)You are referring to KEO and not me(talk about taking things presonal.My mistake. Embarrassing.And I am not drinking)
7 Oct 2011, 21:24 pm
Hey man, give it a rest – all of you. This is so tired.
So the team has a couple of selections that everyone does not agree on. So what? This is always going to happen.
But when you sweep yourself up into such a tizz about it, then you end up spending the whole game looking for reasons and evidence to justify what you’ve been saying. And that’s no fun.
So just let it be. The people who know most, and who have most riding on the result, made the call. Nothing’s going to change that. Let’s just get behind the team and support them now.
The worst is that someone like Smit (or Spies, for that matter) is actually a hell of a nice chap. Humble, good natured. And this stupid “debate” has made people absolutely slander him in the most disgusting terms. What’s up with that? I’m ashamed for some of the things that you lot have said.
7 Oct 2011, 21:24 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-472: Ja, I reckon him and Cab might actually be Wobbly supporters deep down. I am actuall starting to believe they will be standing up singing “Advance Australia Fair” the way they are carrying on…
7 Oct 2011, 21:25 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-435:
Totally. Boks by 12. We will take no prisoners. Or convicts
7 Oct 2011, 21:26 pm
Hello,
Who is getting up early for the first game?
7 Oct 2011, 21:28 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-489: Ag, please man. The only proper troop you’ve been a part of is a bo.bbejan troop. Go farken support the Wobblies or All Blacks. Its obvious you can’t support the underdog…
Proper Man U type supporters, both you and Cab.
7 Oct 2011, 21:28 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-488: Cheers.
7 Oct 2011, 21:28 pm
@carol(carol)-495:
I’m getting up early for work
7 Oct 2011, 21:28 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-487:
seriously this is not aimed at you, whatever you choose to do is your own business. But we do have choices even if they are harder, the true patriots are the ppl who live in SA.
@>^..^< katman(katman)-492:
fair enough – u are probably right.
7 Oct 2011, 21:28 pm
Hzit,Cab !JL, jinxie
7 Oct 2011, 21:29 pm
Just glorious hilarity when ALL (as in each and every one) of these flip-floppers fight amongst themselves like real ‘moffies’ and giving absolute creedence to my well-earned tags of sectarian, ethnic worshippers and of course racists when using there vile terms like the flavour of the day one of ‘Bantu’.
How very unedifying for all these seemingly sophisticated Euro-derived bwanas.
‘Broeder gevegte teen broeder gaan nou aan vir drie ongodelike dae. Kry f o k k e n eind nou.
7 Oct 2011, 21:30 pm
@Duiwel(Duiwel)-500:
Howzeet bru.
7 Oct 2011, 21:30 pm
Leeds, Leeds, Leeds!
7 Oct 2011, 21:31 pm
should read their
7 Oct 2011, 21:31 pm
Anyone going to be at the Springbok Bar on Saturday Night?
7 Oct 2011, 21:32 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-493: You dunno what a patriot is.. not now… not before… not ever…
You are simply clueless when it comes to determining the difference between what or who a patriot is and who is NOT.. because bottom line fact of the real matter here is YOU are NOT..!!!
7 Oct 2011, 21:32 pm
Oh fark! Just when it looked like things are getting quieter, up pops Dr 3 balls…
7 Oct 2011, 21:33 pm
Now I’ve seen it all.
ET arrives.
ET, Cap and Skopskiet – proper AB supporting peas in a pod all together on one thread.
One big bo’bbejan troop of “patriots” together.
7 Oct 2011, 21:33 pm
@Jinx2(Jinx2)-503:
Keep it for Fri. Oct.14 when they take care of Billy Brems’ original team Doncaster Rovers and thus get into the top 6.
7 Oct 2011, 21:33 pm
@Duiwel(Duiwel)-500:
Bonjour mon ami
verskoning vir die lawaai.
what u reckon might happen on sunday?
7 Oct 2011, 21:34 pm
Crush a Klippies!
7 Oct 2011, 21:35 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-506: You not even a Patriots arseho.le… Farken “Troop”, my arse…
Part of the Barmy Anti-Bok army… you, Cab and ET.
Anti Bok Bigots, the lot of you
7 Oct 2011, 21:35 pm
Lekka;lekka!
thought i’d pop in and have a look,
busy posting the choker shirt on the fern
and have old Dodge bar me again,
annerdag
7 Oct 2011, 21:35 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-492:
Well said. No-one can ever be truly satisfied with the composition of the team or the coach himself. We are just armchair critics. Nothing more, nothing less. There is buggerall any one of us can do to influence the selection of the team or the game plan the coach or coaches propose. None whatsoever.
All we have to do is support them. And we will. Through highs and lows.
And I’m talking from experience being a Province/Stormers supporter.
7 Oct 2011, 21:37 pm
Cab,
Bokke to get knobbed by a good 15 points
and thats beeing patriotic.
Sad but true.
and yourself?
7 Oct 2011, 21:37 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-508:
NO I am not with your fellow swine flip-floppers(just depends on the day and game) as I am precisely “any national team but ..”.
Thus I have been and will still be all and any Br. Lions, Wallabies, ABs, Wales, Eng. France , Ireland etc. etc. until the total principle of non-racism is honoured in every fine detail.
7 Oct 2011, 21:37 pm
@Duiwel(Duiwel)-513:
they must smaak u on that kiwi site, did you last more than 3 posts?
7 Oct 2011, 21:37 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-507:
This is not a normal quiet Friday night.
Everyone’s jaded by the lack of rugby action.
7 Oct 2011, 21:37 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-514:
Yip. Twenty two horsemen of the Aussie apocalypse. I’m feeling the rapture in my water!
7 Oct 2011, 21:38 pm
Sounds like a pongo bar hear,all war talk
from the HK
7 Oct 2011, 21:38 pm
@ET.(ET.)-509:
Oh my, his original team were who?
7 Oct 2011, 21:38 pm
Should read “credence” not creedence.
7 Oct 2011, 21:39 pm
Ja-ja,found that hidemyass ip site
and post one a day.
Having a score ith OomD.
Makes the kiwis mal.
7 Oct 2011, 21:40 pm
@Duiwel(Duiwel)-515:
janee, think u got it spot on, tho even 15 is a bit high, please no.
who knows perhaps Ioane get struck by a lightning bolt on the way to the tryline, it could happen.
bonne nuit si tu dormir.
7 Oct 2011, 21:40 pm
@ET.(ExtraTit.)-516: Well you are recruiting at the right place for your Barmy Anti Bok Army…
Cab and Skopskiet about to sear allegiance to you bo.bbejan troep…
You chaps can all sing “Advance Australia Fair” all together with gusto…
Me, I will be singing “nkosi sikelel’ iafrika” for all my worth…
7 Oct 2011, 21:41 pm
get banned everytime,
reason keo troll!
Bwahahahahah!
7 Oct 2011, 21:41 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-525: Should be:
Cab and Skopskiet about to swear allegiance to your bo.bbejan troep…
7 Oct 2011, 21:41 pm
This is how I see this weekend panning out:
Wales: 22
Ireland: 16
England: 12
France: 24
South Africa: 18
Australia: 14
New Zealand: 42
Argentina: 13
7 Oct 2011, 21:41 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-518:
That was a decent game earlier though. The Puma’s were like men possessed but unfortunately their resistance broke at the death. Would have been a good result for WP as well.
7 Oct 2011, 21:42 pm
@Duiwel(Duiwel)-523:
7 Oct 2011, 21:42 pm
annerdag,
see you guys about;
good luck with the keyboard warriors!
7 Oct 2011, 21:44 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-528: Thats how I see it… Don’t know about France vs England though.
7 Oct 2011, 21:44 pm
@Duiwel(Duiwel)-526:
what about a picture of Pienaar and Smit holding the Cup aloft, maybe that will go down better?
7 Oct 2011, 21:45 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-528:
Boks by a ball hair, Wales by 1-7, and NZ by more than a few.
England to sneak it against the Frogs though…
7 Oct 2011, 21:46 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-532: @JockBok(JockBok)-534: I think the Frenchies are going to bounce back big time and play their game of the tournament tomorrow.
7 Oct 2011, 21:46 pm
Ireland 19
Wales 17
England 25
France 18
SA 27
Oz 21
NZ 40
Arg 13
7 Oct 2011, 21:46 pm
@I am a stormer moffie(I am a stormer moffie)-514:
Helen(HG in Drag) is looking for you to be it; her/his/its b itch.
Remember that post/question of yours about “who is the racist and” this ,that and more?
All those answers are simply YOU.
Remember your problem with piles that plagues you? You got that from sitting on those cement slabs of the Boet Erasmus so many times and not once did you ask your buddy Transfornication to attend those games with you. Why? Because you are a racist and could not care about you black buddy.
Happy now with how you earned the racist tag?
7 Oct 2011, 21:48 pm
Naw,
that choker shirt is a classic
7 Oct 2011, 21:50 pm
Naw,the choker shirt is a classic
http://www.google.fr/imgres?q=choker+hirt&hl=fr&sa=X&rlz=1R2ACAW_fr&biw=1463&bih=612&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnsb&tbnid=dNvL07DS8DH-6M:&imgrefurl=http://mabuzi-custom-t-shirts.blogspot.com/2011/09/all-black-choker-t-shirt.html&docid=MyAUA0UaznOtSM&w=422&h=500&ei=yVePTsSxOOeM4gTR7t3HAQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=156&page=1&tbnh=128&tbnw=108&start=0&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:25,s:0&tx=52&ty=67
7 Oct 2011, 21:50 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-525:
Not looking for your fellow swine, you can hang onto them and try to rehabilitate them.
Remember my call for the ‘Boks not retaing their WC crown was made in May 2008 already when you all were licking PDiVs smelly, hairy a r s e.
7 Oct 2011, 21:50 pm
Bakkies will be hosting the bar on Sunday.He has come up with a “DingoDick” special:
A tot of Genia
A squeeze of Pocock
A dash of Cooper’s
Stir slowly, then crush.
To be chased by Schalk Burger and Sons
7 Oct 2011, 21:50 pm
yeah its pretty, saw a kiwi wearing one the other day actually.
u must have driven Dodge around the bend by now.
7 Oct 2011, 21:51 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-535: I hope so. It will be pure entertainment to read Stephen Jones in the Sunday Times should that happen.
Would be excellent if France pulls a 1999 (When they were also in disarray) again, but this time against England. But England historically have their number in WC’s
7 Oct 2011, 21:51 pm
@ET.(ET.)-540:
retaining it should be
7 Oct 2011, 21:51 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-535:
Of course it’s possible. They did enough to get through the group (just) and we all know they should have a big game in them and they save it until it really counts. But although we are all expecting that big game tomorrow because it’s the French and it’s what they do, England know how to get up their noses and will pull it off.
Just being France won’t be enough this time.
7 Oct 2011, 21:52 pm
@ET.(ET.)-544: Fck off already. The worst racists are the brown ones. That’s you, coconut.
7 Oct 2011, 21:55 pm
@ET.(ET.)-540:
Holy shiit HG, I hope you’ve got a good padlock on your rabbit hutch. I think your jilted lapdog is checking out bunny soup recipes.
7 Oct 2011, 21:55 pm
@ET.(ET.)-537: Have never been to Boet Erasmus in my life to watch rugby, dumfck.
And I am not Helen, BTW.
A racist…? Thats rich coming from you.
7 Oct 2011, 21:56 pm
Is coconut like a derivative of darkie or coon?
7 Oct 2011, 21:57 pm
lol, oh fk here we go again.
7 Oct 2011, 21:57 pm
Don’t need me to stir at all,
they’re off!
all by themselves
7 Oct 2011, 21:58 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-489: Your Captain is your Captain
Just because he is your leader you do nt jump ship, or do you?
Oh and I have just geographically seperated myself from SA
7 Oct 2011, 21:59 pm
@ET.(ET.)-540: Go tell another porky… Your support changes like the moods of a menopausal woman…
Remember to sing the national anthem at the top of your voice even if it is “Waltzing Mathilda”…
7 Oct 2011, 22:00 pm
lekke lekka!
suvaafricans,give dem five minutes
and they’re off on the rave thing!
c’est dingue n’est ce pas!
7 Oct 2011, 22:01 pm
@ET.(ET.)-537:
Who in god’s name do you think you are talking to, you old goat.
I think you’ve got your finger up the wrong hole!!
7 Oct 2011, 22:01 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-548:
But you surely flick through a phone book, find some random bloke who’s name points towards him possibly being black, and call him to invite him to watch rugby with you don’t you?
I thought everyone did that.
‘Hi, you don’t know me, but I’m looking for a black person to come and watch rugby with me. How about it boet……boet…..hello…..are you there??’
7 Oct 2011, 22:01 pm
Naah he likes God save the Queen
7 Oct 2011, 22:02 pm
@Duiwel(Duiwel)-549: No, just someone who despite his proud brownness on the outside, can’t bring himself to give up the good life of the white bwana on the inside. You’d never say it, listening to this ET fool, but the struggle (which he continues to fight) is actually nowhere near Phillyfuckingdelphia.
7 Oct 2011, 22:02 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-547: He’s just getting used to daylight…Too much felching in darkness…
7 Oct 2011, 22:04 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-559:
7 Oct 2011, 22:05 pm
GO BOKKE!!!!!!!!
thatha maBhokobhoko!!!
thatha mathole omthonyama!!!
int’ ezatsiba uPhungela ngenqu!!
hambani magorha esizwe, nibuye nayo londebe kaWebb Ellis.
viva BOKKE viva!!!
7 Oct 2011, 22:05 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-556: Ja, and with a whole colour spectrum to consider I might even have needed to specify “Ethnic Black” too. Far too confusing…
7 Oct 2011, 22:06 pm
lost me there,boet,
for me a poepol is a poepol.
The colour of the ring is irrelevant.
Can’t be a lot of poepolle elsewhere
cause an awful lot seem to be present here tonight.
7 Oct 2011, 22:07 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-561:
Yeah, what he said………
7 Oct 2011, 22:08 pm
just when patriots start bullshitting themselves that they’re patriotic then the phillyarsed horsefly arrives.. and then real patriotism hits a new bottom curve…
shows the outright inadequacy of ball sport pandering to be the showcase of pseudo patriotic fervor at its zenith point…
REAL pity Bismark is not starting.. That was our ONE chance of fckng up these convicts for good.. now all we are left with is another hope and a f’ng prayer in this archaic stereotyped delinquent that somehow believes that God has ordained to give him the sole rights to the Bill lofting ceremony delights…
Whatafucking imbecile thinking he had ANY kind of patent out on what rugby requires from a soul.. its the utmost height of aggrandizement when an individual starts perceiving himself to be the sole savior of a team.. thats when you know its tickets.. and even if your inner urge is to hope your country and team prevails down in your gut you know they don’t really deserve what is not categorically theirs to own…
7 Oct 2011, 22:08 pm
561.Transformation said:
steady boet,we want them to play for the cup
not steal it.
7 Oct 2011, 22:09 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-562:
Hey, I *might* be in Blighty on Sunday for a couple of days. You up for a beer?
7 Oct 2011, 22:10 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-561: “mathole omthonyama”
Still got to get there first…
7 Oct 2011, 22:10 pm
Bonne nuit Duiwel
Je vais dormir pour le rugby demain.
Vous ete encore parle avec Boerman sur RW?
Bon chance avec le velos.
7 Oct 2011, 22:12 pm
Toi aussi,
oui,je lui parle,c’est un tipe de bien,un ancien vrai,
merci !la season est termine,bientot la neige!
annerdag ,boet;
mooistap
7 Oct 2011, 22:12 pm
@Duiwel(Duiwel)-566: who said anything about stealing? put the skokiaan down boet
7 Oct 2011, 22:12 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-567: Could be a very good idea… A victory drink in Richmond would go down excellently.
7 Oct 2011, 22:13 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-548:
That post is addressed to your buddy “I am a stormer moffie ” who has been many times at the Boet.
Have you seen what s hit your stereotyping of Kiwis has got some ‘boertjies into in N.Z.?
Two very smartarsed ‘boertjies’ were set upon and whipped to a pulp by some Maoris.
7 Oct 2011, 22:13 pm
Dunno,thought all thieves spoke Zulu.
7 Oct 2011, 22:16 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-572:
Cool, I’ll know in the morning. 50/50 at the moment but I’ll give you a shout if it’s happening.
7 Oct 2011, 22:18 pm
What’s all this moffie business from someone who professes to be anti stereotypical
7 Oct 2011, 22:19 pm
@ET.(ET.)-573:
You must be very happy.
7 Oct 2011, 22:19 pm
@ET.(ET.)-573:
What the living *** are you on about, you old goat?
You’ve got lots of explaining to do and I don’t have a lot of time.
Hurry up.
7 Oct 2011, 22:20 pm
@ET.(ET.)-573: Well if those “boertjies” can’t walk the walk then they mustn’t talk the talk…
As long as Maoris whipping “boertjies” gives you a thrill… This soutie can hold his own.
I don’t stereotype Kiwis, I tell it as it is. Like I tell you, AB supporter.
7 Oct 2011, 22:21 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-576:
It’s par for the course. Dr John was awarded the Nobel Prize for Hypocrisy today…
462.ET.:
30 Sep 2011, 11:13 am Paul Williams you are a hero to greater Cape Town. You were hit first by that dutchy.
7 Oct 2011, 22:22 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-575: Good man. Will give you an email and take it from there.
7 Oct 2011, 22:23 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-572:
That ex-tjommie of yours is on a slippery slope.
I think it’s all downhill for ET now.
7 Oct 2011, 22:25 pm
Seriously now. Let’s move on, kerels. It is going to be a fantastic weekend.
7 Oct 2011, 22:27 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-581:
Ok, will catch you on here tomorrow if it’s happening.
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-582:
NOW?
7 Oct 2011, 22:28 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-582: Farken epitome of a Caped Crusader, and to think I thought different.
7 Oct 2011, 22:29 pm
Yep. Beach after rugby, feet in sand,
7 Oct 2011, 22:29 pm
@Jinx2(Jinx2)-583:
Well said that man. Where is this Springbok Bar you talk of? Is it the one in Covent Garden?
7 Oct 2011, 22:30 pm
@Jinx2(Jinx2)-583: Christmas comes early. Even playing a Vets Match tomorrow afternoon… Its going to be ugly playing rugger after a few beers consumed over breakfast watching the games.
7 Oct 2011, 22:32 pm
Lol, Rooney is a twattttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!
7 Oct 2011, 22:33 pm
That’s it. Your time is up.
For the rest of the weekend, rugby rugby rugby.
Got Ireland by 12
England by 15
Boks by 1 (it’s all we need)
AB’s by a good margin (20+)
Catch up tomorrow.
7 Oct 2011, 22:34 pm
Bok fans having sleepover at newlands tomorrow night. Vok my.
7 Oct 2011, 22:35 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-587: The Bok bar could be a place to meet, but fark it gets full. Like a dungeon.
Been there years ago. There’s also another bigger Saffa bar in the area, forget the name though.
7 Oct 2011, 22:36 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-590:
England by 15
You do need some sleep, you are obviously delirious
7 Oct 2011, 22:40 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-592:
If it’s the one in Covent Garden, I used to pop in now and again. Down a flight of stairs iirc.
Probably a few of them dotted about London now I’d imagine. I remember the first one in Paddington, it was like a speakeasy. Saw eVoid play there as well
Must have been 20 years ago ffs.
7 Oct 2011, 22:43 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-594: Thats the one. You can’t even move it gets so full when rugby is on.
There is another bigger one around that same area… Can’t remember the name though.
7 Oct 2011, 22:44 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-594: Farken eVoid…
7 Oct 2011, 22:44 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-594:
Also one in Shepherds Bush about 15 years ago, just remembering now. Don’t know if it’s still there, somewhere below the shopping centre at the green I think.
7 Oct 2011, 22:44 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-593:
Only because the French are in disarray. But they have this habit of putting on a performance that came from nowhere.
The England team are more organised on the field – less so off it.
And I have the bru to think about – it’s balls to the wall from now on.
7 Oct 2011, 22:44 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-590: Cheers.
7 Oct 2011, 22:45 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-597: Got no idea now.
7 Oct 2011, 22:46 pm
@I am a stormer moffie(I am a stormer moffie)-578:
Really? Like giving you the answer to your one of many questions of ” who is the ..?” or are you claiming to be drunk on that occassion of “who is the ..”?
The answer to your “Who is the racist?” is as stated in 537, and that is YOU, for the reasons stated in that posted. Lest you forget, sitting in the racist white enclosure at the Boet on those cement slabs with nary a black anywhere near you. Well protected you were from all those blacks then. True of False?
In brotherly fashion why did you not invite Transfornication.
You do know that Cheeky at that time invited his Kwaru friends to train at the Crusader Grounds. Takes guts but it can be done but not by a stormer ‘moffie’ like you.
7 Oct 2011, 22:48 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-596:
@JockBok(JockBok)-594:
eVoid.
Still remember one of the super concerts at Ellis Park in the early 80′s. There were about 100,000 of us there. Biggest crowd eVoid ever played at.
7 Oct 2011, 22:50 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-596:
Just the two brothers at that time living off Shadows and Taxi Man among the expats, but they were actually pretty good musicians and were good to watch live. Saw them about 20 times in one place or another. Fark, come to think of it, I think they were following me
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-598:
Ah, classic school boy error. Try to catch up and end up dropping faster than ETs credibility
But England will win I reckon, but it’s going to be by the odd point or three.
7 Oct 2011, 22:53 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-587:
Burbank, Los Angeles.
7 Oct 2011, 22:54 pm
@ET.(ET.)-601:
Jeebus, but you’re like one of those annoying little dogs that keeps on trying to pomp your leg at your Great-Aunts house.
Take a hint and fuuck off ffs. No-one, and I think I can speak for everyone here, likes you. Surely you can find a group of like minded hypocritical, lying racists to chat to somewhere. The interweb is huge, go have a look.
7 Oct 2011, 22:54 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-588:
Bubble and Squeek! Enjoy.
7 Oct 2011, 22:55 pm
I will be gargling with Jack Daniels at midnight tomorrow night.
7 Oct 2011, 22:57 pm
@Jinx2(Jinx2)-604:
Ah, perhaps a bit of a schlep to get there for tomorrow night matey, but have a cold one for me please.
And say hello to Charlize if she pops in
7 Oct 2011, 22:57 pm
Screw England
7 Oct 2011, 22:57 pm
@ET.(ET.)-601:
Are you on a trip? Get out of the lab.
You are now talking about a conversation that transie and I had months ago about the old times at the Boet. Which has sweetfuckall to do with you.
And the reason why transie and I never attended a rugby game together is because we live in towns 1,500 km apart.
Anything else you need cleared up?
Has anyone else referred to you as a stalker?
7 Oct 2011, 22:58 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-579:
Is there something to be downcast about for admiring a rugby player bitchslapping a ‘boertjie’ cheat like ‘Hein Bruss’, Hollywood’s newest one time wonder.
I noted that Helen(HG in Drag) is more obedient than the banshee and did your cameo appearance for you on that ‘Boks going Home’ thread (while you conveniently hopped off to an “early lunch” strangely on the other thread (this PDIV one) engaged, however, at length by Cab and one other while she mopped up your mess?
7 Oct 2011, 23:00 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-609:
Might take a while. There’s about 60 million of the feckers.
7 Oct 2011, 23:01 pm
Poor old Ruaridh hugging Dan Parks.
Brought tears to my eyes.
7 Oct 2011, 23:02 pm
@I am a stormer moffie(I am a stormer moffie)-610:
Yes, the trip is, however, only after Thanksgiving long w-end and I will stop over in JHB just to get you well and truly sorted.
What you seek I firmly believe you should get.
Happy now? You have a month and a half before you need to knock your knees in utter fear.
7 Oct 2011, 23:02 pm
Tomorrow I’m a hoender.
7 Oct 2011, 23:02 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-603: Hell, Shadows is a blast from the past.
Yup, maybe we meet at one of those Bok bars. Haven’t been to one in years.
7 Oct 2011, 23:04 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-613:
Tell me about it. But not for any girly reasons you understand, more about Dan Parks coming on for the best part of the game…
7 Oct 2011, 23:05 pm
@I am a stormer moffie (I am a stormer moffie)-610:
Your medications are once again causing your weird hallucinations.
Seek out your GP and ask him to change from the generic ones to the genuine original medications.
7 Oct 2011, 23:05 pm
Oh FFS. Stop the fecker at OR Tambo.
IAAS go moer him in display of public violence.
7 Oct 2011, 23:06 pm
@ET.(ET.)-611: You mean you’re all over Pocock? You do realise he is a racist Rhodesian? Pocock was a well known Zimbabwe name. LOL, funny twat.
7 Oct 2011, 23:06 pm
You are a creepy stalker, ET. You keep detailed accounts of who said what to whom and on which thread. You probably have a scrap book for each of us which you masturbate to. It puts the lotion on its skin…
7 Oct 2011, 23:06 pm
@ET.(ET.)-614:
ET, up your EQ.
You’re on a slippery slope. Get help before it’s too late.
7 Oct 2011, 23:06 pm
http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/content.php/1488-Three-out-of-three-in-three-days
Hey Dodge!heres that T-shirt you like boet,best of luck against the pumas,normally you should be goodthe all blacks rarely choke before the finals,annerdag Duiwel
makes the kiwis mal
7 Oct 2011, 23:07 pm
Naah jock they just had so much gees on the day and poms didn’t deserve it.
7 Oct 2011, 23:08 pm
@ET.(ET.)-614:
Oh fark, ETs latest incarnation is a keyboard warrior
Leave the country IAAS, Dr Evil is after you…
7 Oct 2011, 23:10 pm
@I am a stormer moffie(I am a stormer moffie)-610:
When you sat on the Boet’s cement slabs getting your piles you were in Transfornication’s town of P.E. and that is not 1500kms away. Change the meds. urgently soon.
I am a walker in addition to a talker.
7 Oct 2011, 23:11 pm
@ET.(ET.)-618:
You say you’re in the medical field. But you come across more and more as an ambulance driver. I suppose that’s close enough to the medical field for you.
7 Oct 2011, 23:11 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-616:
Me neither. Need to make this happen now but getting a flight out of Chad might be the problem. Onto Air France first thing in the morning. Don’t suppose you can give me a lift to Chesterfield as well can you
7 Oct 2011, 23:12 pm
Vok why must he run. He must come here I will moer him CT style.
7 Oct 2011, 23:14 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-624:
It’s easy to think like that, but no tries in 3 games is hardly enough to say the Jocks deserved to make it either. The key game was the Argies, and we blew it.
7 Oct 2011, 23:16 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-629:
Hit him with a gatsby?
7 Oct 2011, 23:16 pm
@I am a stormer moffie(I am a stormer moffie)-622:
Downhill always requires far less expenditure of energy than uphill, so I have no fear of slopes.
Prepare for your first Day of Reckoning. Do not fear now as I am just talking about Sunday.
Does a score of 6 – 30 grab your imagination? You know you need tries for that. Is that clue sufficient for your inefficiently functioning ‘brain’?
7 Oct 2011, 23:17 pm
@ET.(ET.)-626:
That was eons ago. We were reminiscing about the old times while you were evesdropping. Talk about picking up stompies. And it was long before keo.
Now go back to the lab and see what’s on the slab.
7 Oct 2011, 23:18 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-628: Sheezus christus
7 Oct 2011, 23:20 pm
@ET.(ET.)-632:
A score of 30 – 6 does grab my imagination. The Boks win.
See now, I can also twist things around to suit my purpose.
And you sure are twisted.
7 Oct 2011, 23:21 pm
I’m out. Big weekend ahead.
7 Oct 2011, 23:21 pm
@ET.(ET.)-632:
Enough now. I’m bored.
7 Oct 2011, 23:21 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-636:
Cheers now
7 Oct 2011, 23:22 pm
@J.B. Cowper(J.B. Cowper)-105: 5 victories in 6 matches is hardly “edged”, pilgrim.
7 Oct 2011, 23:23 pm
@I am a storme moffie(I am a stormer moffie)-627:
You do not require degrees for that even in corrupt S.A.
What are you on anyway? Anxiolytics or anti-depressants or is it worse than that, schedule VI controlled drugs?
7 Oct 2011, 23:24 pm
What time do I have to be up tomorrow?
7 Oct 2011, 23:26 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-634:
I waited 2 months for delivery of a specialist machine which is essential to finish the job. It went from England to Finland to Cameroon to Chad, I got it today…….loaded with the wrong software AND it’s calibrated wrongly
So now I need to get to Chesterfield for a 30 minute procedure to correct it. DHL will take two weeks apparently…
7 Oct 2011, 23:27 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-636:
Cheers dude.
7 Oct 2011, 23:27 pm
Looking for tablet tips. What can he take next.
7 Oct 2011, 23:29 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-641:
6 SA time I think. 5 here
7 Oct 2011, 23:29 pm
@I am a stormer moffie(I am a stormer moffie)-635:
They do not score more than one try when they manage to but do score many threes in drops and penalties. So as expected and predicted the inefficient ‘brain’ power did not help you.
That score is scary enough to bore you a suicide.
7 Oct 2011, 23:30 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-644:
iPad2? JL1 has got one, apparently quite a nice tablet. Fancy one myself.
7 Oct 2011, 23:32 pm
@ET.(ET.)-646:
We live in hope.
7 Oct 2011, 23:32 pm
Oh my freakin hat 6am?????
7 Oct 2011, 23:34 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-649:
Well it’s better than 5am!!!!
7 Oct 2011, 23:35 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-644:
@JockBok(JockBok)-645:
Kick off first match is at 7am you lazy Africans.
7 Oct 2011, 23:36 pm
@Hellen’s Shame(Hellen’s Game)-620:
Bravefart, because of you Fri. drinking habits did you avoid taking your meds. again.
Has the Banshee not sung yet about that avoidance?
How the h e ll do you link this to 611?
I know King David’s origins and Rhodesia/Zims. has never been my problem when my own country then and now exhibits an equally corrupt and failing ‘non-racial’ ‘democracy’?
7 Oct 2011, 23:37 pm
@ET.(ET.)-646:
Oh, I forgot. You’ll be drowning your sorrows due to a Bok victory. Silly me.
7 Oct 2011, 23:38 pm
@I am a stormer moffie(I am a stormer mooffie-651</a
That is absolutely good of you now to know your place and role in Africa.
7 Oct 2011, 23:39 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-651:
Thank you for small mercies. That’s 6am here then, not so bad. But it would’ve been funny getting Dawn out of bed an hour early
ET has been awake since Tuesday waiting for kick off.
7 Oct 2011, 23:40 pm
@I am a stormer moffie(I am a stormer moffie)-653:
Your meds., your meds. please your meds., right now. It will even soothe your aching piles I am told
7 Oct 2011, 23:42 pm
Am gonna roll out of bed onto the floor!
7 Oct 2011, 23:42 pm
Righty ho, hitting the sack time. Night IAAS, Princess D. Catch you over the weekend.
7 Oct 2011, 23:43 pm
Paralytic drunk, of course.
7 Oct 2011, 23:45 pm
A team which was once called the Boks
Once used to have very fine locks.
But Old Father Time
Turned them nickel and dime
And now they’re just sorry old crocks.
Their hooker, a man called John Smit
Was once thought to really have it;
But he’s nowhere as fizzy
As a pilgrim named Bizzy
John Smit should give Bizzy his kit.
Papa and Mama Du Preez
Rhymed the name of their wee son Fourie
He was a fine scrummy
With fire in his tummy
But these days he’s as hot as cold tea.
7 Oct 2011, 23:47 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-658:
Cheers mate.
@ET.(ET.)-654:
See you have a sense of humour. Well sort of. You know “jocularly speaking and all that”.
Get a life.
Speak tom. Don’t do anything silly now, you hear.
7 Oct 2011, 23:50 pm
” Was once thought to really have it;”
Was once thought to really be fit
7 Oct 2011, 23:51 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-660:
Jolly good, old chap.
And you couldn’t leave “pilgrim” out. Even better.
Underestimate the Boks at your peril.
7 Oct 2011, 23:52 pm
games can’t come soon enough. luckily we not under nat rule anymore or we would have to forfeit sunday’s game, nervous as hell, go boks
8 Oct 2011, 00:26 am
What a load of nonsense. As a journalist on a widely read blog you should have some more responsibility towards your readers. You do realise that the tripe you write influences sheep to think in a similar way.
Rugby has and always will be a team sport. A team can be less or greater than the sum of it’s parts. One player will not make or break a team. Witness plenty of sub-par players for the Boks over the years and we’ve still done ok.
The Springboks may well lose on Sunday, but if they do it will be a team effort. Blaming a loss prior to the fact on one player just plain STINKS John Cardinelli. If we win will you give John all the credit like you want to heap all the blame on him? You shouldn’t call yourself a rugby fan.
8 Oct 2011, 00:31 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-616: In Covent Garden area… best place to watch is Walkabout Pub in Maiden Lane. Aussie pub!!!
But for me… best venue in London to watch sport is Sports Bar & Grill at Victoria Station (also one at Marylebone)… great venue, clean, good food & they serve Windhoek Lager!! They open from 7 in the morning. I think for the WC they’re opening for the games.
8 Oct 2011, 00:56 am
@Number15(Number15)-665: If I see Jon Cardinelli, I skip the article. I’m yet to see something decent by him. He is trying to be controvercial. Personally, I think he’s a loser.
8 Oct 2011, 01:35 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-660: LOL .Good one.
8 Oct 2011, 01:37 am
@ET.(ET.)-662: good response.
8 Oct 2011, 01:44 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-472:
You should be the last person to talk about loyaity to the Boks and their coach.
T two goes hand in hand together, you know!
___________________________________________________________
This very thread is the reason why Keo is the best rugby site in SA, and maybe the world. The very fact that Cab and Skop can agree on a specific point, standing “together” against people who they would normally agree/disagree with.
VIVA KEO…VIVA.
8 Oct 2011, 01:48 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-660:
A kak attempt.
You are much better than that.
8 Oct 2011, 02:00 am
A grumpy old whiner called Nama
Supports any boer or farmer
But his team’s too old;
Their skills have grown cold
So Nama will get Four More Years karma
8 Oct 2011, 02:25 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-660: Don’t quit your day job.
8 Oct 2011, 02:39 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-672:
An old toppie who calls himself a Tackler
all regard him as a hackler
……….
… I tried..
I was in Eksteenfontein about four weeks ago. Could not find anybody who know the oom you talked about on here some time ago (During the Eng cricket tour). Maybe if you give me more info because I’ll be seeing somebody from there tomorrow as I ordered a “slagding” from a guy. He is a Strauss.
8 Oct 2011, 02:40 am
It’s grist to TheTackler’s mill
Coarse insults from Fred, Bob and Bill.
A verslibrist fine
A rhymist sublime
Retorts with a wit that could kill.
8 Oct 2011, 02:48 am
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-673:
He got a bit over emotional there.
To be expected from old toppies. Don’t be too hard on him.
8 Oct 2011, 02:57 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-675:
“It’s grist to TheTackler’s mill
Coarse insults from Fred, Bob and Bill.
A verslibrist fine
A rhymist sublime
Retorts with a wit that could kill.”
Definitely not your’s.
8 Oct 2011, 03:06 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-675:
“grist”
“verslibrist”
“rhymist”
You’re speaking the elevated english now, ha boet.
You’re so clever (read vain)
8 Oct 2011, 03:16 am
@nama1(nama1)-677:
… but reaction proves that you have a thin skin.
8 Oct 2011, 03:29 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-672:
“A grumpy old whiner called Nama
Supports any boer or farmer”
Let’s unpack what you are saying here.
“boer” and “farmer” are the same thing, so you can’t say “boer” OR “farmer.” There is a difference between “Boer” and “farmer” ….yes.
Don’t give Julius a ideas. He is still appealing.
8 Oct 2011, 03:30 am
@nama1(nama1)-678: You have a phobia against words ending in -st, it seems.
Fist. Twist. Ghost. Past. Post. Wrist.
Run and hide!
8 Oct 2011, 03:31 am
@nama1(nama1)-680: Some boers aren’t farmers. Some farmers aren’t boers.
8 Oct 2011, 03:55 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-681:
… and you got to that conclusion exactly how?
It’s like you see in your dreams how you POST me with your TWISTed FIST in your WRIST back into my PAST where I’ll only see GHOST’s.
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-682:
“Some boers aren’t farmers. Some farmers aren’t boers.”
… that is exactly where you have it wrong.
A boer is a farmer and a farmer is a boer… if you get my drift.
… maar ‘n Boer is nie noodwendig ‘n boer nie en ‘n boer is nie noodwendig ‘n Boer nie.
Kyk bietjie of jy dit verstaan.
8 Oct 2011, 04:05 am
Nope. Boer with a capital B is just a person who identifies with his farmer Afrikaner heritage, even if he’s only a speedcop or a Macca burger-flipper. But who cares?
Iemand wat as ‘n Boer (met ‘n hoofletter) identifiseer is ‘n regse verkrampte Afrikaner-rassis. Die ou met die klein B is ‘n plaaseienaar, en kan enige taal praat. See? You can’t hide. Ek kan jou orals kom haal! Nou bewe jou broek, of hoe?
Don’t teach grandmother how to suck eggs, pilgrim!
8 Oct 2011, 04:06 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-660:
Don’t forget the most important ending:
Their greatest intermittent fan
a small man known only as Tickles
who turned at every corner
to kiss favorites arse
just lined himself up for another donder
8 Oct 2011, 04:10 am
Ou Nama hy wou nog vuis maak
Toe tik Tackler hom reeds op sy kaak.
Jy **** net ‘n knal
En sien die ou val
Ou Tack lag hom pap van vermaak.
See, pilgrim?
8 Oct 2011, 04:11 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-684: Talking about grandma : Don’t forget to ask ouma to wash and iron your union flag and bokke t-shirt … in case your current favorites don’t make it. It does mean you’ll lose all your new friends again (to their relief), but at least you’ll get to celebrate and won’t have to wait yet another four years.
8 Oct 2011, 04:16 am
@TheBoksAreBack(bringbacktheboks)-687: That’s weak, pilgrim.
8 Oct 2011, 04:19 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-684:
“Die ou met die klein B is ‘n plaaseienaar,…”
….of hy is ‘n Nama met vee wat nie die reg gehad het om ‘n plaas te mag besit in die tyd toe jy en jou volk ALLEEN stemreg gehad het nie.
Hoekom sien jy ‘n Boer (hoofletter “B’) as “n regse verkrampte Afrikaner-rassis.?”
Hier’s nogal ‘n heel paar ouens op die site wat hulleself as Boere sal identifiseer sonder dat hulle noodwendig aan jou beskrywing voldoen.
8 Oct 2011, 04:21 am
Tackler was a cranky old queen
who thrill was to try to demean
he spent hour after hour
trying hard to be sour
at the South African fans and their team
8 Oct 2011, 04:24 am
First line doesn’t scan properly.
8 Oct 2011, 04:27 am
Of course it does.
8 Oct 2011, 04:28 am
@nama1(nama1)-689: @nama1(nama1)-689: Bywoners is ook boere. Klein b. Mense wat deesdae eis hulle is Boere (groot B) is verkramptes of hulle dit erken of nie.
8 Oct 2011, 04:32 am
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-692: Limericks there start with an unstressed syllable: ti TUM ti ti TUM ti ti TUM. (“There WAS a young MAN from Cap-RI…”)
The TACK in “Tackler” is stressed. It’s TACK-ler, not tack-LER.
Scansion error.
8 Oct 2011, 04:33 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-694: Jy is gesuip. Klim terug in die bed.
8 Oct 2011, 04:35 am
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-695: Feeble.
8 Oct 2011, 04:35 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-693:
So, jy wil se dat die Namas, wat Jan van Riebeeck hier gekom kry het, met hul vee, was nog al die jare “bywoners” in SA. Hulle was nog nooit boere (veeboere) nie!
8 Oct 2011, 04:59 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-694:
That was funny… really funny.
Sometimes you outdo yourself with you humoristic side. :lol;
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-695:
Kom nou man. Tackler is al amper 70. Gee die Toppie die respek wat hy verdien. Ek meen, hy het vir Danie Craven geken toe die nog ‘n enkeling was.
8 Oct 2011, 05:09 am
@nama1(nama1)-697: They were itinerant stock farmers. Small b boere.
8 Oct 2011, 05:16 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-684: can you speak Xhosa?
8 Oct 2011, 05:21 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-688: Weak? You’ll thank me for reminding you again … same as I did in 2007 … and at least you had a lekker party then – just because u put your saffa kit in the bottom of the ruksak – just incase.
8 Oct 2011, 05:25 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-688: you keep calling people pilgrim. so which definition of pilgrim do you refer to, when you use the word? is it:
a)any of the English Puritans who founded Plymouth Colony in Massachusetts in 1620.
b)somebody who goes on a journey to a holy place for religious reasons.
c)somebody who makes a special journey.
which one is it? even though when you use the word, you sound cynical.
8 Oct 2011, 05:55 am
Everybody’s a pilgrim, pilgrim.
8 Oct 2011, 06:00 am
When I use words, some of you pilgrims have to make a special journey to Google or Wiki to find out what’s (for example) a “verslibrist”. Or a “limerick”. or “scansion”. Or even, what’s a “pilgrim”, pilgrim. We’ll call that special journey a “pilgrimage”. Metaphorically, of course.
8 Oct 2011, 06:06 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-704: ha ha ha ha ha ha.
thats some funny sh-it.
you should have been a rapper, you got skillz dog!
8 Oct 2011, 06:34 am
Tackles is a rulesjockey when it suits him, but not fussy when it is beyond him.
8 Oct 2011, 06:38 am
Tackler and poems?
What the **** happened to this place?!?!?!
8 Oct 2011, 07:56 am
@nama1(nama1)-670: Congratulations ou humble little Nama1 for not referring to race once in that post (your achilles heel).
Keep it up.
8 Oct 2011, 08:15 am
Thank you Jon Cardinelli, Smit is a cancer in the team now.
8 Oct 2011, 08:26 am
Pissant, astonished in wonder,
Felt his world collapsing asunder
Encountering verse
From brilliant to worse
He felt was a terrible blunder.
8 Oct 2011, 08:44 am
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-709: The World’s in union, but the Bokke fans certainly are not.
8 Oct 2011, 08:47 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-711: No not with Smit in the team
8 Oct 2011, 09:09 am
On form Hougaard 9, jdj 12, aplon, 15 14 11, Bismark 2. Whats the case. The coach picked the best team, not the best 15. Smit is captain. I do support the team, not individuals. It seems bismark have suffered the biggest injustice. Then why only Bismark. Even 10 minutes for your country is a priviledged not a right. I do not like his attitude. If the supporters had a say schalk brits, would have been hooker and watson captain. Just because keo dont have access anymore to inside information after Gold were disciplined, and the senior players do not talk out. His on this crusade . I believe the bok team can win the cup.
8 Oct 2011, 09:47 am
@adi(adi)-713: What nonsense. Is supporters had their way Watson wouldn’t have been allowed back into SA.
8 Oct 2011, 10:25 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-710:
I like Tackler version 2.0 much better!
8 Oct 2011, 13:57 pm
@TheAgent(TheAgent)-314: I agree with you on that. I don’t think Guthro can maintain that intensity for the full 80; and CJ is one replacement who will not be offering much impetus from the bench.
Beast needs to improve his skillset because the role of dual prop replacement is there for the taking. I’d like to see him spend some time at tighthead at provincial level and see how he goes.
8 Oct 2011, 18:20 pm
#714 the same watson that posed on the front page of sasi, ala superman.
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