PdV quits as Boks crash out
9 Oct 2011
Peter de Villiers has quit after coaching the Springboks to a World Cup quarter-final defeat in Wellington.
De Villiers’ contract has expired and after a four year tenure marked by controversy and criticism, he will opt not to put forward his name as a candidate for the now vacant post.
‘Its been a brilliant journey and one that none of you [the media] can take away from me,’ he said. ‘There’s a time to come and a time to go. The journey is over.
‘I enjoyed it. I was in a privileged position to be able to contribute to my country. South African rugby is in a good state and will move forward after this.’
Asked how he wanted to be remembered, De Villiers said: ‘As the best me I could be.’
De Villiers ends his career with a 63% success rate, winning 30 of his 48 Tests. However, measured against the best in the world he has struggled. With the defeat in Wellington this evening his record against Australia dipped to four wins from 12, while he has won just five from 11 against the All Blacks.
De Villiers enjoyed the bulk of his success in 2009, winning a series against the British & Irish Lions, as well as the Tri-Nations. However, outside of that the Springboks have struggled, this with arguably the finest generation of players in decades at his disposal.
His loyalty to captain John Smit, despite the rise of the incomparable Bismarck du Plessis, has elicited severe criticism. He sought out Smit in 2008 while the Test veteran was contracted to French outfit Clermont, offering him the captaincy, then persisting with him despite Smit touching the ceiling of his potential in 2009.
Smit was liberal in his praise of De Villiers. ‘We’ve had a good four years. He isn’t a coach in the usual mould but one we’ve thoroughly enjoyed,’ Smit said. ‘He has given us leeway and space and tightened the reigns when he needed to. He is a great man and coach.’
De Villiers was appointed ahead of superior candidates, most notably Heyneke Meyer, in 2008, South African Rugby Union president Oregan Hoskins citing ‘reasons other than rugby credentials’ as the reason for the decision.
There isn’t a clear favourite for the post. Meyer has signed a long-term deal with the Bulls as their director of rugby and has indicated repeatedly to this website that he isn’t considering applying for the job. The Stormers duo of Rassie Erasmus and Allistair Coetzee are expected to toss their names into the hat, while others like Lions coach John Mitchell and former Saracens head Brendan Venter have been mentioned as possible candidates.
By Ryan Vrede, in Wellington.
695 Comments
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9 Oct 2011, 16:09 pm
@Fumbler(Fumbler)-445:
You are top of the pops man .. you gotta excuse our inbred hatred its been inbred into the genetic DNA through generations and eons of racially bred hatred from mothers and fathers to sons and daughters for some time.. it may pass in due course.. meantime read and reason and learn from others misfortunes
9 Oct 2011, 16:09 pm
@Fumbler(Fumbler)-445:
lol, thats a good post too, but the cross-pollination of ideas from somone like mitchell might be astounding, he’ll also light a fire under their arse and demand results, which may or may not be a bad thing, mallet was a bit like that but he got some damn good results for a while until it all got a bit much, might not be bad to have mitchell for a year or two – they will learn so much – just look how the lions are playing – imagine what he could do with some power.
9 Oct 2011, 16:09 pm
447:
You really mean Rhodes’ Zoo on the slopes of the mountain, Joel? It is safe for you as there are no Great Whites(other than yourself) but there are ‘Bergies’ who would like to get you.
Did you enjoy your Yom Kippur yesterday, Joel?
9 Oct 2011, 16:11 pm
@ET.(ET.)-448:
Just do us all a favor and remove yourself from this site, nobody wants you here, in fact nobody wants you anywhere you poor excuse of a human being, don you All black jersey and scants and pull out your Richie poster and go do what you do best you w anker !!
9 Oct 2011, 16:12 pm
South African are traditionally ultra conservative even perhaps more conservative than the English and that has been almost our downfall.. to afraid to venture beyond the limitations of our conservative mindset and try that which is beyond the pales of the closed envelope of preconceived strategies and thinking…
Perhaps next coach will be brave enough and less tied to this sword of Damocles called the WC to try and foster a little lateral and adventurous thinking into his strategies.. and selection criteria .. and then who knows.. perhaps by next WC the sky could actually become the limit..
9 Oct 2011, 16:15 pm
452.cab
I reckon Mallet’s as good a coach as you’ll find on the planet. If I was
running SA rugby, I’d be offering him a shirtload of dosh to take the
Boks. Remember that run of wins he had, 15 or 16 in a row, maybe more?
Quality.
9 Oct 2011, 16:15 pm
@ET.(ET.)-446:
lol UCT, you and your big almunmi and alma maters, like any other where u just get spoonfed nonsense from some failure like yourself. and even there u are way outgunned, most of you doctors, especially the fake research ones without any responsiblity, are thicker than a sack of hammers and u at the bottom of the pile.
9 Oct 2011, 16:17 pm
I posted this famous description of Gladstone by Disraeli the other day, to describe another poster here. It would be far more accurately applied to our friend ET, though.
“A sophistical rhetorician, inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity, and gifted with an egotistical imagination that can at all times command an interminable and inconsistent series of arguments to malign an opponent and to glorify himself.”
9 Oct 2011, 16:17 pm
@Fumbler(Fumbler)-445: admit it, you really enjoyed listening to Divvy’s interviews … man he was good.
Today he said to some Kiwi this classic line about Plod, when questioned why Bissy is on the bench “if John was in your country he would be your no. 1 no. 2 too”
9 Oct 2011, 16:18 pm
@Fumbler(Fumbler)-456:
yes very good. dunno if he wants to do it again with the Boks tho. Takes years off their lives i reckon.
9 Oct 2011, 16:19 pm
Yom Kippur.. whats that coolycreeper? .. you up Rothschilds arsehole sucking off Greenspans greenback dollars like the good half bred half arsed capie commie creep that you are…. thats obviously why you know all about Yom Kippur no doubt
the war here is over.. poor commie creep up the Imperialists backside wanting to wage war against his erstwhile white oppressors all the way from the ivory towers of Philadelphia’s pseudo white intelligentsia’s stable… UP the white Imperialists bum.. waging wars of self loathing inferiority complexity… what a pseudo piece of trash heap hypocritical half bred cn’t you are…
9 Oct 2011, 16:21 pm
@cab(cab)-457:
Have you tried that on your pops too?
Is that the reason you were kicked out of the family home as you do not respect his accomplishments?
Please do understand that is just your Oedipus Complex acting up, ‘boytjie’.
Simply apologise to your dad and other family members you so insult and some order will be restored in you life and their love for you will flourish anew.
9 Oct 2011, 16:25 pm
459.RL
Brilliant. PDV did come out with some funny stuff and I will miss that but I think he had serious
limitations as a coach, so next season’s going to be very interesting for the Boks, re tactics, game-plan etc. Can’t wait.
9 Oct 2011, 16:26 pm
Still brawling gents?
Time to kick back and watch my Jamaican guy Chris Gayle hit sixes.
Yum.
9 Oct 2011, 16:28 pm
Australia 6 wins from last 7 games against the Boks – that is simply an amazing statistic
9 Oct 2011, 16:28 pm
@David(David)-458:
Do you have problems with understanding just your English words?
Not enough private schooling for you because there was no milk and honey for you and your family until you got to sunny S. Africa?
Don’t you just love W H O R E Street?
Highlight some of those common words you regard as verbose.
9 Oct 2011, 16:29 pm
His fave food, swordfish. His fave music, reggae. His fave ground, newlands nogal. His fave book, the Secret. His fave teammate, Marlon Samuel.
9 Oct 2011, 16:29 pm
@ET.(ET.)-462:
u more obsessed with pops at uct than anyone else. dunno who u got in mind, but he’s not who u think, both pops and gramps did there doctoring and played rugby there. no teachers. what accomplishments, u get paid to sit in front of a dolt and pass easy exams – its a joyride – u got thru them after all and now they define you.
9 Oct 2011, 16:30 pm
@Boksarenumber3(Boksarenumber1)-429: I agree. PdV’s was pathetic from the word go.
We lost to Aus for the first time in 10 years at home and then last year we relinquished that record completely. Now SA is happy hunting ground for the Wobblies.
We narrowly won the BIL series when we should’ve whitewashed an average BIL squad. Look at the ABs in 2005. Completely destroyed them.
We lost to Scotland of all teams and nearly lost to Wales twice! Lost to Ireland too many times. Got humiliated by France.
We’ve watched world-class players like FdP, Habana, JPP and JdV go down the pan with PdV in charge. General ball skills have disappeared. And there is one, unwavering game plan that never, ever changes. We’ve become the most predictable team out there. PdV has been a shocking coach. He’s made a mockery of SA many times with his ridiculous press conferences.
9 Oct 2011, 16:30 pm
We just don’t have a choice.
We’ll have to adopt a more adventurous approach going forward. The rules force us to change our approach. We have the players in people like Lambie, Hougaard, JdJ, JPP, Aplon etc to play an expensive game. All that is lacking is somebody who can coach our players how to do it… and a patient support base for when it does not go our way in the beginning. (think 2008)
9 Oct 2011, 16:31 pm
Long tall drink of Jamaican rum punch met ys.
9 Oct 2011, 16:32 pm
@David(David)-458: pretty much spot on the button … in other words pseudo puffed up verbose grandiose pathetic self aggrandized piece of garbage self righteous feeble fucked up heinous garbage scum
9 Oct 2011, 16:34 pm
Lol skop I hope that not chris you talking about!
9 Oct 2011, 16:36 pm
@cab(cab)-468:
It adequately negates your immature notions and expressed jealousies, by much.
9 Oct 2011, 16:36 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-472:
I think Disraeli was a wee bit more eloquent, though.
9 Oct 2011, 16:37 pm
Paul Treu is not a bad call for next Bok coach. I do not want to see Coetzee there. I have my doubts about Rassie and someone said Meyer is not interested so what other options are there?
The deadwood needs to go: Spies, Habana, Matfield is too old, Rossouw, JdV, M Steyn, CJ, Chilliboy. FdP. I do not want to see nor hear of Smit anymore. That guy is a cnut who disgraced his country to appease his MASSIVE ego and his ***** envy.
9 Oct 2011, 16:37 pm
@ET.(ET.)-474:
but u always respond to them, which seems to be working so nicely.
ja and your anti-Bok button-pushing, but u must sluk your medicine deep domgat.
9 Oct 2011, 16:39 pm
@Peter Mkata(Peter Mkata)-239: I agree with your sentiments fully!
9 Oct 2011, 16:40 pm
@David(David)-475:
Just a wee bit… unfortunately I never went to no finer English private finishing school so I just blurt out and spell out what absolute self aggrandized filthy heinous garbage scum actually looks like and sounds like .. dunno how to be eloquent.. so I just gotta keep on spitting it out as it painfully excruciatingly is..
9 Oct 2011, 16:42 pm
@Samba Bok(JayDaFiveOh)-469:
“Lost to Ireland too many times. ”
We only played Ireland twice while PdV was coach.
Lost one (2009) and won the other (2010). Both away from home. No need to distort the truth.
Maybe you were thinking of the JW era.
9 Oct 2011, 16:44 pm
@Samba Bok(JayDaFiveOh)-476:
I think Paul Treu would be good and I think he would be adventurous and brave
and he won’t have a WC winning team to weigh down his every motivation and strategic desire..
9 Oct 2011, 16:46 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-479:
BTW, where does ET get this Joel rubbish?
9 Oct 2011, 16:47 pm
@nama1(nama1)-251: That’s true Warren gatland is very astute! However, wales signed him up until next world cup. I think one has to go to NZ to find them, go to the source, and bring back a coach. If the AB’s don’t win this cup Steve Hansen will be available, as well as Ian Forster to handle the backline. Not a bad combo!
9 Oct 2011, 16:49 pm
@Die_Valk(Die_Valk)-450: so
9 Oct 2011, 16:49 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-481:
I think Treu has said he’d like to coach the 15 man game, but it’s a far different one to sevens. He’d need to get some experience there first, though, I think. One man I’d like to see involved as backline coach is Robbie Fleck. He did wonders for UCT and brings an attacking flair that’s been sorely missing.
9 Oct 2011, 16:51 pm
michael had a combo earlier which was right solomons, mitchell and meyer.
9 Oct 2011, 16:52 pm
@David(David)-482: I think he sees my sign on ID and thinks thats my name… like most other things he’s so far off the mark that’s why he’s still waging anti apartheid wars 20 years after the fact sitting up in Nixon country trying to act intelligent and politically enlightened due to his afflicted psyche not having any place or identification he can truly call home…
9 Oct 2011, 16:52 pm
This stat says why we are not in the semis.
Since the start of the 3N last year, we played 16 test matches against tier 1 rugby nations. (I discount the matches vs Nam, Fiji and Tonga)
We LOST 10.
5 vs Aus
4 vs AB
1 vs Scotland
9 Oct 2011, 16:54 pm
Tough luck to the Boks, they actually played very hard today, cant be too unhappy when they committed effort like that, out
9 Oct 2011, 16:55 pm
@cab(cab)-489:
Cheers Cab.
9 Oct 2011, 16:56 pm
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-282:
You still crying b1tch t1ts?
9 Oct 2011, 16:57 pm
I think you guys should hire Mitchell. That would be funny. No nonsense Boks with healing crystals.
9 Oct 2011, 16:58 pm
From my point of view PdV was not that bad as a coach.
I felt he negotiated the complexities fairly well and even improved in getting his thoughts across during press conferences.
His team lost today, but no one can say it’s through lack of effort. If I look at today’s game then everything went very well except the fact that they did not keep the scoreboard ticking.
But they played with passion and you could clearly see the plan; he went in with experience and sent the likes of Bismarck, Hougaard and Alberts in as impact players and gave them enough time.
The lingering question has to be: why could they not finish? I think a sport psychologist (Henning Gericke) would have helped in this regard. Not that I think they panicked but they needed to simulate in their heads how they would finish.
It would seem that that was the part they just could not deliver; they dominated but could not convert.
Again, we need to address the inability SA backlines have to manufacture tries, especially at the highest level.
Considering everything, I think PdV can walk away from the role with his head high. It’s a pity we lost today cause I think curve was still upwards and we would have been better next week and the week thereafter imo.
9 Oct 2011, 17:00 pm
I think Treu would be A OK.. with decent assistants in perhaps a Mitchel or a Meyer.. though Meyer is more of a DOR type manager than a coach.. Solomons is / was OK when he was with Mallet though I heard it was Solomons that pushed for the Skinstadt over Teichman issue .. and was also Solomons that was instrumental in firing Jake off Mallets team… but he could be good…
Naka is doing quite well with Free State lately and Venter seems a bit of a big head though he does have the experience now…
I wouldn’t go for a foreign coach keep it local and lekker.. that way we can always claim we did it for ourselves..
I’m not a Coetsee fan .. and Rassie is just too maverick for the sake of it..
this whole Schalk to first receiver garbage is a Rassie ploy and it sucks big time and fails…
9 Oct 2011, 17:00 pm
@chch(chch)-492:
I see both Slade and Mils are out, injured. Luckily you’ve got two better replacements, if Dagg is fit. Mils is a legend and certainly didn’t look past it, but Dagg is the rising one, in my opinion.
9 Oct 2011, 17:01 pm
@Samba Bok(JayDaFiveOh)-476:
Treu needs to prove himself in the 15 men code first.
He can start as understudy for Solomons in PE and take over as head coach in 2/3 year’s time to prove himself. Only then can he apply for the position as Bok coach.
9 Oct 2011, 17:06 pm
I would use Carel Dup as back line coach with either Proudfoot or Mitchel as forwards coach and maybe Treu as head coach..
Maybe Meyer or Solomons as techie director.. unless they wanna keep Rassie and Nienaber on..
I reckon it could work..
PdV did OK.. this WC was definitely not a gift in the park like last one where we played nobody of consequence.. we had to negotiate top teams like fired Wales, Samoa and Aussie who we actually had the better of but just failed at the final hurdle.. close but no cigar.. they can all hold their heads up pretty high..
9 Oct 2011, 17:07 pm
also out
so long folks
9 Oct 2011, 17:08 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-494:
I reckon Solomons past mistakes should be seen as just that. People do grow and learn, so let’s put it down to experience. Unfortunately we seem to assume coaches don’t grow once they’ve been tried once.
9 Oct 2011, 17:28 pm
BRENDAN VENTER!
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