PdV quits as Boks crash out
9 Oct 2011
Peter de Villiers has quit after coaching the Springboks to a World Cup quarter-final defeat in Wellington.
De Villiers’ contract has expired and after a four year tenure marked by controversy and criticism, he will opt not to put forward his name as a candidate for the now vacant post.
‘Its been a brilliant journey and one that none of you [the media] can take away from me,’ he said. ‘There’s a time to come and a time to go. The journey is over.
‘I enjoyed it. I was in a privileged position to be able to contribute to my country. South African rugby is in a good state and will move forward after this.’
Asked how he wanted to be remembered, De Villiers said: ‘As the best me I could be.’
De Villiers ends his career with a 63% success rate, winning 30 of his 48 Tests. However, measured against the best in the world he has struggled. With the defeat in Wellington this evening his record against Australia dipped to four wins from 12, while he has won just five from 11 against the All Blacks.
De Villiers enjoyed the bulk of his success in 2009, winning a series against the British & Irish Lions, as well as the Tri-Nations. However, outside of that the Springboks have struggled, this with arguably the finest generation of players in decades at his disposal.
His loyalty to captain John Smit, despite the rise of the incomparable Bismarck du Plessis, has elicited severe criticism. He sought out Smit in 2008 while the Test veteran was contracted to French outfit Clermont, offering him the captaincy, then persisting with him despite Smit touching the ceiling of his potential in 2009.
Smit was liberal in his praise of De Villiers. ‘We’ve had a good four years. He isn’t a coach in the usual mould but one we’ve thoroughly enjoyed,’ Smit said. ‘He has given us leeway and space and tightened the reigns when he needed to. He is a great man and coach.’
De Villiers was appointed ahead of superior candidates, most notably Heyneke Meyer, in 2008, South African Rugby Union president Oregan Hoskins citing ‘reasons other than rugby credentials’ as the reason for the decision.
There isn’t a clear favourite for the post. Meyer has signed a long-term deal with the Bulls as their director of rugby and has indicated repeatedly to this website that he isn’t considering applying for the job. The Stormers duo of Rassie Erasmus and Allistair Coetzee are expected to toss their names into the hat, while others like Lions coach John Mitchell and former Saracens head Brendan Venter have been mentioned as possible candidates.
By Ryan Vrede, in Wellington.
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9 Oct 2011, 19:04 pm
Bryce is a marked man, we have Pieter Van Zyl.
9 Oct 2011, 19:04 pm
@Wezwp(Wezwp)-541:
Yip Gio should have been brought on for Habana and Hougaard should have gone to scrummy and I think we might have seen some action and fireworks and could have taken the game from Wallabies..
Pity they never used Aplon or De Jongh except vs Namibia
9 Oct 2011, 19:04 pm
Dankie, dankie!
9 Oct 2011, 19:05 pm
Now I will shout for Wales.
How so many of you can call for the cheese eating surrender mon k e y s if absolutley beyond me!
9 Oct 2011, 19:05 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-553:
Blimey, you are tri-lingual !
9 Oct 2011, 19:05 pm
It’s France for me now.
Can’t stand Wales.
9 Oct 2011, 19:07 pm
In order of dislike the most:
1. Australia
2. England
3. Wales
4. NZ
5. Ireland
6. France
7. Scotland
How is it for you?
9 Oct 2011, 19:07 pm
Come, Australia. Come play cricket here on Thursday.
We be waiting mon.
9 Oct 2011, 19:08 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-544:
i dont want mallet anywhere near the boks and venter..well, he hasn’t really shaken the world with his coaching has he (and by that i mean winning big competitions, winning then consistently and building a legacy).
same for mitchell (please stay the ffuck away from the boks).
meyer, rassie, nienaber, ac (as an assistant only) plus a few others are my preferred candidates.
9 Oct 2011, 19:10 pm
Bryce Lawrence will need a task force when he comes for S15.
9 Oct 2011, 19:11 pm
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-559: I really just don’t see SA improving with any of Meyer (outdated? Too much forward emphasis?), Rassie (not a head coach?) and Coetsee (Reds and Crusaders overcame the Stormers with worrying ease).
Think we need to think out of the box a bit.
9 Oct 2011, 19:11 pm
2 finalists last time round 4th and 7th rank teams are both home now
same 4 teams that contested semis in 87 are contesting it again 24 years later on same fields… could be a repeat of history with France / NZ in final..
I’m backing a new winner this time.. France or Wales to take Aussie in final
9 Oct 2011, 19:12 pm
The BOKS gonna play in the rest of the Currie CUP?????
9 Oct 2011, 19:12 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-562: I honestly can’t see NZ losing.
9 Oct 2011, 19:14 pm
Big Match Temperament, try saying that without choking !!
9 Oct 2011, 19:19 pm
@vindicated(vindicated)-565: You got lucky you just don’t wanna admit it
its still get the Yarpie syndrome between Paddy ‘O and his bumchum Brycie
9 Oct 2011, 19:19 pm
NZ will punish Aus at Eden Park, no problems… i’m going to go with a NZ vs Wales final, don’t really mind who wins, but it will almost definitely be NZ
9 Oct 2011, 19:19 pm
Nou ja look who crawled out of the woodwork!
9 Oct 2011, 19:20 pm
Vindicated you yellow aus you!
9 Oct 2011, 19:21 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-561:
as long as you put mitchell, mallet, plumtree and venter in the box too then you are welcome to outside of it all you want.
9 Oct 2011, 19:22 pm
think outside of it
9 Oct 2011, 19:22 pm
@vindicated(vindicated)-565: Australia lost in the quarters in 2007…
Oops.
9 Oct 2011, 19:22 pm
All you bloggers who may have missed it.
Don’t be hard on Poppa, he lost his mom on October 3.
9 Oct 2011, 19:23 pm
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-570: Nope, never mentioned Plumtree. He is not good enough.
Mallet, Mitchell and Venter would appear to be.
9 Oct 2011, 19:25 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-564:
NZ had an easy ride like we had last time.. they met nobody so far .. except weak France in pools like we got a weak England last time…
Aussie have had two nail biters so they will be more hardened but also more battered and bruised by the encounter today…
I reckon on the day Wales can take either these teams .. I doubt France produce another big game like yesterday..
9 Oct 2011, 19:26 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-573: tell him sorry from me..
9 Oct 2011, 19:27 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-557:
1.France
2.France
3.France
Thats my dislike list!!
9 Oct 2011, 19:27 pm
Bryce Lawrence will be needing bullet proof vest.
9 Oct 2011, 19:28 pm
So 2 further take-aways from the RWC 2011:
Kiwi refs are not up to standard; Bryce Lawrence again demonstrated to us just how incompetent he is yet Paddy O’Brien is in charge of IRB refs?!
However, when it comes to coaching they are setting the standard!
It should not be forgotten that 3 of the final 4 coaches in RWC 2011 are Kiwis.
Also in domestic situation John Mitchell and Plumtree leading the way!
South African refs again leading the way…
I would honestly look to get Kiwi/ Aus backline coach for SA; we just dont seem to understand how to attack and for decades now have been below ave to average; we must develop the ability to strike with pace when the opportunity presents itself
Look how Carlos and Mitch are unlocking the Lions backline; we have to get smarter and more skilful; that is what was lacking today – we create the attack but not at pace ( ie with the forwards) which allows the opposition time to regroup
It’s a pity that Bryce saw the forward pass to Lambie – you would expect him to miss it as he missed so many other things; that try would have sparked the Boks; or if FdP scored that try
But that’s water under the bridge
9 Oct 2011, 19:32 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-578: why, it’s not his fault that he is kak.
9 Oct 2011, 19:32 pm
Bryce. I have been taking sniper lessons.
WPTID is my spotter.
9 Oct 2011, 19:33 pm
I’m losing my 16 year old border collie today.. she’s busy dying
most beautiful dog I ever known
she got more qualities than most humans and she going home… perhaps tonight .. I hope for her sake..
such be life … it ain’t a picnic for long and has as much pleasure as it has pain
In fact I reckon its a hell of a thing for any creature to have to endure between birth and death fraught with pleasure and pain and everyone trying to negotiate how to attract the one and avoid the other..
Life is a frightening experience as death is…
9 Oct 2011, 19:34 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-573:
shame, my condolences.
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-574:
in the box or outside the box?
if they are being considered for job then i’m just going to say; ffuck me!
this country is not serious about its rugby anymore.
9 Oct 2011, 19:41 pm
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-583: that’s what I think about Meyer, Erasmus and Coetsee.
9 Oct 2011, 19:41 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-582:
Skop, they all have to leave us too soon.
You know that 16 in a fantastic age for a Border Collie so you must have given her a good quality of life.
At least you can say goodbye to her and thank her for the memories.
9 Oct 2011, 19:41 pm
Condolences to Poppa.
And skop, sorry to hear about the collie.
9 Oct 2011, 19:47 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-582: Skop I feel for you. I have had border collies all my life and I know, they are the most wonderful creatures imaginable. For me, far preferable to any human beings I have ever known.
9 Oct 2011, 19:50 pm
ja sorry about your collie skop.
they really can be the most loyal of friends/companions.
goodnight and cheers all…
@carol(carol)-577:
france will win or lose to tha all blacks in the final.
9 Oct 2011, 19:50 pm
@carol(carol)-585: yeah except last 2 years of her life have been hard for her she had it tough, she been an absolute angel and now she going home .. I hope she goes soon she suffered enough .. its hard to give up life both for those leaving as it is for those staying behind..
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-586: thanks
9 Oct 2011, 19:52 pm
@oscarthedawg(oscarthedawg)-587: for sure most loyal beautiful and intelligent companions any person can have
@once more unto the breach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-588: cheers.
9 Oct 2011, 19:53 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-584:
well, i guess saru will need either a big, big box or a small one…
either way i already feel concerned.
9 Oct 2011, 19:56 pm
yeses, izinja!
9 Oct 2011, 19:58 pm
I think the discussion should be whether Allister Coetzee is ready to lead the Boks, because I think he is certainly in the running.
Now he is more eloquent than PdV but I’m not sure whether Allister will take us to the next level.
I think he has done well in Super Rugby and domestic competitions; I basically wrote him off 2 years ago.
The reality is that Boks could have a 80% win ratio is properly coached but for decades now we average out on 60-65%
So who else:
* Coetzee – says all the right things but not so sure; my primary concern is that he is too much of a marketer- always wants to put a positive spin on something
* Rassie – probably the one guy with enough innovation or x-factor to do the job
* Meyer – not interested
* Mallett – has been coached and unlikely that he will get it again
* Solomons – has not done enough to my mind to get back in contention
So the question arise: what about a coach from another country? Perhaps a Kiwi but who?
I dont get the impression from John Mitchell that he will consider applying for the Bok coach job eventhough I rate him as one of the best technically; I thionk he is better than Plum
9 Oct 2011, 20:00 pm
another stat to chill the blood of New Zealanders waiting for 24 years of pain to end: every team that has beaten the defending champions has gone on to win the tournament.
Australia in 1991, South Africa in ’95, Australia in ’99, England in ’03 and South Africa four years ago; all of them beat the world champions en route to the title.
9 Oct 2011, 20:04 pm
Should have kept Jake White.
9 Oct 2011, 20:06 pm
Ag nee man Skop. So sorry to hear that.
9 Oct 2011, 20:07 pm
How does everyone feel about John Mitchell potentially taking over? Plumtree must not come anywhere near the Boks. He is not up to standard. The same persistent skop en jag game plan will be kept if Plumtree was to be given it. The same goes for Coetzee and Rassie. I’m not convinced Rassie is a believer in playing expansively. We need a new coach that is willing to be bold and shake things up as well as introducing new dynamic blood in the same form as players like Hougaard and Bismack and is not afraid to BLOOD them instead of playing them off the bench for 15 games or more! 5 games off the bench should be enough for up-and-coming players! If they still can’t perform after that then they shouldn’t be there. Hougaard has continuously proved himself and made things happen in the precious little time he has had on the field. He is a gamebreaker much like Habana used to be.
We need a backline full of dynamic gamebreakers. A no.8 that blends power and athleticism ala Kaino. Frans Steyn must be picked at 12. Fourie is still good. Habana needs to go. JPP I have lost patience with. Spies must become a winger or just fark off. He is totally ineffective as a no.8. Every other team has a pulverising 8th man and we just have a friggin body builder there.
Hougaard, Lambie, Bismarck, Brussouw, Alberts, Steenkamp, Beast, Frans Steyn and Fourie make the core of the new team for now in my opinion. Bekker should also be there provided he gets back to form and we need to look for a new enforcer to replace Bakkies. Juan Smith’s career is probably over. Cruel fate would have Smith and not Smit getting injured. Priority should be identifying a new 9 and 10 combo that will actually get the backline moving and a backline with genuine pace.
There needs to be thorough planning done by the new coach. The next 2 years should be spent building a new core team. A better, more effective game plan, coaching a much higher level of ball skills. Then the following 2 years needs to be spent on planning for the next RWC. Nailing down that core team, the effective combos, identifying adequate injury cover and at the same time, much like GH does, looking for opportunities to bring new players through, keeping a constant supply of youth and experience in the squad. Look at Wales, they’ve got a their experienced core but the majority are young, gifted players, and that’s why they are heading into the semis and we are going home.
Fck PdV! He made a mockery of his country as did John Sh.1t!
9 Oct 2011, 20:13 pm
Somwhere out there is a communicaton from that scumbag Paddy o’ Brien that goes something like this – ”let’s get those yarpies”. To those of you around at the time – was it late nineties?, you will know what I mean.
I’ve always wondered why that incident was glossed over?
9 Oct 2011, 20:15 pm
@SHARKattack(mabu)-594: Not convinced. How about this one, since 1995 the next champion was losing quarterfinalist.
1995 – Aus, 1999 – England, 2003 – SA, 2007 – NZ.
Or how about that one.
1987 SF – NZ, Aus, Fra, Wal. NZ won.
2011 SF – NZ, Aus, Fra, Wal.
9 Oct 2011, 20:23 pm
We should get a Coaching Academy set up, we need better coaches with specialised skills
So Braam got his customer to kick better,good on you Braam, you still remain a slow center and anone dimensional flyhalf
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