PdV quits as Boks crash out
9 Oct 2011
Peter de Villiers has quit after coaching the Springboks to a World Cup quarter-final defeat in Wellington.
De Villiers’ contract has expired and after a four year tenure marked by controversy and criticism, he will opt not to put forward his name as a candidate for the now vacant post.
‘Its been a brilliant journey and one that none of you [the media] can take away from me,’ he said. ‘There’s a time to come and a time to go. The journey is over.
‘I enjoyed it. I was in a privileged position to be able to contribute to my country. South African rugby is in a good state and will move forward after this.’
Asked how he wanted to be remembered, De Villiers said: ‘As the best me I could be.’
De Villiers ends his career with a 63% success rate, winning 30 of his 48 Tests. However, measured against the best in the world he has struggled. With the defeat in Wellington this evening his record against Australia dipped to four wins from 12, while he has won just five from 11 against the All Blacks.
De Villiers enjoyed the bulk of his success in 2009, winning a series against the British & Irish Lions, as well as the Tri-Nations. However, outside of that the Springboks have struggled, this with arguably the finest generation of players in decades at his disposal.
His loyalty to captain John Smit, despite the rise of the incomparable Bismarck du Plessis, has elicited severe criticism. He sought out Smit in 2008 while the Test veteran was contracted to French outfit Clermont, offering him the captaincy, then persisting with him despite Smit touching the ceiling of his potential in 2009.
Smit was liberal in his praise of De Villiers. ‘We’ve had a good four years. He isn’t a coach in the usual mould but one we’ve thoroughly enjoyed,’ Smit said. ‘He has given us leeway and space and tightened the reigns when he needed to. He is a great man and coach.’
De Villiers was appointed ahead of superior candidates, most notably Heyneke Meyer, in 2008, South African Rugby Union president Oregan Hoskins citing ‘reasons other than rugby credentials’ as the reason for the decision.
There isn’t a clear favourite for the post. Meyer has signed a long-term deal with the Bulls as their director of rugby and has indicated repeatedly to this website that he isn’t considering applying for the job. The Stormers duo of Rassie Erasmus and Allistair Coetzee are expected to toss their names into the hat, while others like Lions coach John Mitchell and former Saracens head Brendan Venter have been mentioned as possible candidates.
By Ryan Vrede, in Wellington.
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9 Oct 2011, 20:23 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-596: Ta Dawnie .. she been an angel .. time for her to go home.. or back for a better chance
9 Oct 2011, 20:23 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-564: Spooner. I think Wales have a very real shot. They are very fit, very physical, great defensive pattern, good kicking, no real positional weaknesses.
And they are coached by a Kiwi. 3 of 4 semi-finalists are coached by Kiwis – coincidence.
I think not.
I said John Mitchell should have replaced Jake White, I still think that.
I hope Gary Gold coaches the Benoni Girls C team, Muir the Helpmekaar U/8′s and PdV can just bugger off for good.
9 Oct 2011, 20:24 pm
@Nils(Nils)-599: this stat can also be true for the Wallabies: 1995 – Aus, 1999 – England, 2003 – SA, 2007 – NZ and Aus
9 Oct 2011, 20:25 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-582: 16 is a good run Skops. You were blessed with that.
Sorry to hear that.
9 Oct 2011, 20:27 pm
Good riddance
to bad rubbish
PDV
Smitty
Fok julle
9 Oct 2011, 20:28 pm
@Boksarenumber3(Boksarenumber1)-605: nice and classy.
9 Oct 2011, 20:29 pm
F#*% OFF Krusty Burger, you arrogant, ignorant, disgusting piece of T’URD.
9 Oct 2011, 20:29 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-607: ?
9 Oct 2011, 20:30 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-606:
Yes PDV is a classy moron
9 Oct 2011, 20:32 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-607: nice and classy.
Oh, that’s expected from a troll.
B.Troll (honours) from the University of Bul lshit and Lies.
Besides, why are you so “worked up” over the (ex) South African coach? Shouldn’t you be more worried about your semi against Australia?
Are you obsessed with South African rugby?
9 Oct 2011, 20:35 pm
Aussies must beat the ABs
That would be the cream on top of the cake
9 Oct 2011, 20:40 pm
Well, I guess if I want any team to win, it’s France.
But jeez, I won’t be willing any team on if you know what I mean.
Oh well, it kinda sucks being out, not nearly as interesting.
Later folks.
9 Oct 2011, 20:42 pm
Peter de Silliers — you are one of the many weakest links. Aaaagh yaaaa!
9 Oct 2011, 20:42 pm
who is on the injury list for the ABs and will recover by next week?
9 Oct 2011, 20:45 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-608:
I thought Boks were superb, by far the better team.
however
Cant stand Krusty. Goes out of his way to offend. Justice4; “conspiracy between IRB & referees”; “dont respect Haka”.
He acted, throughout his tenure, as if he was untouchable because he knew he was. Good riddance.
Great match nonetheless, awesome in fact.
9 Oct 2011, 20:46 pm
@SHARKattack(mabu)-603: Yes, it can be. Time will tell.
Unless more crucial injuries, I’d still say Blacks.
No, I will say that anyway. 8)
9 Oct 2011, 20:46 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-610:
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ burrrrrrrrrrrrp ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
9 Oct 2011, 20:48 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-613: is your team going to win next weekend? with all the injuries to key players. this must have disorientated your structures as a result an cloud of instability hovers over the ABs for this coming semi final.
9 Oct 2011, 20:54 pm
What is all this contortionista swearing!
9 Oct 2011, 20:57 pm
There’s enough skiet en donner on MNet!
9 Oct 2011, 21:19 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-615: I agree a total moron.
9 Oct 2011, 21:19 pm
@JL1(JL1)-600: and Alan Donald got his bowlers to knock us out at the world cup…..
9 Oct 2011, 21:25 pm
Anyhoo he’s gone now.
9 Oct 2011, 21:26 pm
Stallone’s plastic surgery didn’t work out too well
9 Oct 2011, 21:43 pm
Skop if your little companion is still alive in the morning, you need 2 take her 2 vet and she will get a injection into the vein of her front foot and she will gently go 2 sleep with in seconds. You only know me from a rugby perspective, but believe animals are my forte, its what i do every day. If she is suffering this is the kindest thing u can do 4 her.
9 Oct 2011, 21:56 pm
That must be such a difficult decision to make.
9 Oct 2011, 22:06 pm
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9 Oct 2011, 22:16 pm
Skop, I’m sorry to hear about your dog. I know what she can mean to you. I had to make a call on my cat last year – was the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do. I guess you can just be grateful that you had her, and she was lucky to have had you.
9 Oct 2011, 22:21 pm
@Dawn, no it is the only option if the animal is suffering. The difficulty is us and the pain we feel at the loss. If the animal is 16 years old that is a massive age, if she were younger you would obviously have her treated at the vet. In animal actist comnunhties and groups we call it the loving thing 2 do. You repay your companion by not letting he lie there suffering waiting 4 the enevital
9 Oct 2011, 22:23 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-628: i don’t know what you are talking about? katman had a cat and Skop skopped his dog?
9 Oct 2011, 22:25 pm
I do understand but looking at those eyes would melt my heart
9 Oct 2011, 22:31 pm
Just saw this pic and it made me think – no whingeing but honestly – check pic 22 of 24 here – http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/rugby-union/union-news/heroic-australia-defeat-south-africa-20111009-1lfjv.html?selectedImage=1 Dan Vickerman has his arms wrapped around Victor in full flight in the lineout. How is what Danie did a penalty and this isnt? I´m pretty confused. That forward pass was actually very forward by at least a metre or two so no qualms there. But the penalty that gave them back the lead? Apart from that penalty they didn look like scoring again at all.
FFS man – to play that well and lose really burns – if they were bad I can say ahh well man they just didnt have it in them. I guess at the end of the day our continual issues on attack were partly to blame for this loss though to be fair the Ozzies defended like demons. Tough pill to swallow this one. Feel sorry for Victor. Dont care what Smit feels because he should have done the honourable thing and stepped down, he didnt do it for his team he was going for glory. Victor is one Bok i´m very very sad to see the back of. I also dont feel a thing for the departing Fourie du Preez because I feel he has become a bitter little guy lately. He also didtn play very well and is well past it. Cant say the same for old Vic – he still has it in him. Not 100% past his prime just yet. Real champion.
Proud of the way the guys played today – rub of the green wasnt with us – those missed penalties and Lambies missed drop could so easily have handed the game to us.
9 Oct 2011, 22:35 pm
Just to add to that I had a very close look at the replays and Danie is correct when he says he didnt drag the player down – he was hardly touching the guys legs when he fell and it was due to lack of support in his line that he fell. Rotten luck man.
9 Oct 2011, 22:57 pm
From News24:
Smit on Bryce Lawrence:
Springbok captain John Smit said he had discussed with referee Bryce Lawrence his liberal reading of the breakdown during their 11-9 quarter-final loss to Australia on Sunday.
This allowed Wallaby flanker David Pocock to produce a display that won him the Man-of-the-Match accolade but could easily have seen him sin-binned under a stricter interpretation of the rules.
“That was the only talking point in the game between me and the referee, obviously the message I was trying to get through was not being listened to,” said Smit.
Given Kiwi official Lawrence’s rulings, Pocock was “brilliant”, Smit said.
“We had most of the possession so he had plenty of chances to slow it down,” he said. “He’s good at that.
“We decided to be brave and keep the ball and normally you get rewarded as the attacking team but it wasn’t quite that way tonight.”
He added: “It’s the first time I’ve lost a game on the scoreboard but won everything else from a stats point of view. That makes it even harder to accept.”
9 Oct 2011, 22:59 pm
Still no excuse, the ref.
But FFS Lawrence was pretty relaxed at the breakdown tonight.
Almost as if he wanted to prove a point after the criticism he copped after the Aus/Ire game.
9 Oct 2011, 23:26 pm
strange, when animals get to the end its considered humane to put them down, when humans get there its illegal to do so. janee, never any good at taking the animals for the injection.
9 Oct 2011, 23:31 pm
My bok team for next season… but obviously there will be up and coming talent that noone has seen in the super 15 next season:
15 Patrick Lambie
14 Gio Aplon
13 Jaque Fourie
12 Francois Steyn
11 Bryan Habana
10 Peter Grant
9 Francois Hougaard
8 Schalk Burger
7 Francois Louw
6 Heinrich Brussouw
5 Andries Bekker (capt)
4 Juandre Kruger
3 Jannie Du Plessis
2 Bismark Du Plessis
1 Tendai Mtawarira
16 Deon Fourie
17 CJ Van Der Linde
18 Adriaan Fondse
19 Willem Alberts
20 Jano Vermaak
21 Juan De Jongh
22 JP Pietersen
23 Chillyboy Ralepelle
24 Coenie Oosthuzyen
25 Juan Smith
26 Duane Vermeulen
27 Sarel Pretorius
28 Elton Jantjes
29 Jean De Villiers
30 Lwazi Mvovo
If Francois Louw, Francois Steyn wont get picked due to playing overseas then I would go for JDJ at 12 and bring Johaan Sadie into the squad (although he is small for a test centre) and I would bring either Joshua Strauss or Ashley Johnson into the squad if Flo couldt be picked.
10 Oct 2011, 00:06 am
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-633:
Well i have seen it a few times as well as a couple of X players and commentaters, they seem to think he had hold of his legs at some point.
The refs need to srt this sort of thing out. The Boks and the Ozzies were both messing about with the jumpers, dangerous really and needs to be stopped.
10 Oct 2011, 00:10 am
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-602: Ja I think we should give John Mitchell a go. He can’t do any worse than PdV. And if he doesn’t get results within 2 years of his tender then he should be replaced. We need some fresh thinking and someone with the ballas to bring about a cultural shift in the way we coach in SA. Mitchell might be the man for the job.
10 Oct 2011, 00:12 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-552: De Jongh should’ve been there ahead of donkey JdV. Fair more exciting and dynamic than JdV has ever been. So much for transformation. But thank god PdV the clown is gone. I hope as supporters we never have to go through this farce again!
10 Oct 2011, 00:13 am
@Mike H(Mike H)-503: The right thing? You must be blind my man. So picking Smit every time ahead of Bismarck was the right thing? You cannot be right in the head.
10 Oct 2011, 00:19 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-523: if the Boks played so well today then what went wrong?
10 Oct 2011, 00:55 am
@Rhys7(Rhys7)-637: Good god man what is wrong with you?! You would pick Louw ahead of a fit Juan Smith?! Not even on the bench? *****. We already have two ball scavengers in Brussouw and Bismarck. We need an enforcer type to compliment Brussouw. There’s none harder than Smith.
Forget Schalk at no.8. Think its time for him to go. We need an athletic powerful no.8. Sort of like a Juan Smith with pace or a player in the mould of Jerome Kaino. But I can’t think of any player in SA that fits that bill. I hope we discover a new gifted 8 man in the next few years.
10 Oct 2011, 01:03 am
Farewell to John Smit, another warrior hangs up his sword. Am disappointed the Boks got knocked out as would really have loved a SA/NZ final We will never get to see our teams of this era go head to head in a WC clash now, by next WC most of them will be gone. Mils, McCaw(maybe) Carter etc and already there are some Boks leaving. End of a special time in world rugby but a great tribute to both teams.
10 Oct 2011, 01:09 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-638: Agree fully – He seemed to reach up and grab but when they came down he let go… so not 100% sure – he reckons he wasnt pulling th guy down and in all honesty I dont really see him applying any force in a downwards motion. But anyways. I also think this hanging onto jersey thing should be a yellow card offence as per the Paul Williams incident. Deliberately holding a player back is not any different than obstruction surely?
10 Oct 2011, 01:15 am
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-644: yeah definitely for us as well as the All Blacks – Mils, Sivivatu, Rockocko, McCaw, Hore, Woodcock, Thorne, Ali Williams must all be on the way out.
For SA its the end or near the end for: Smit, Bakkies, Victor, Danie, Burger, Smith, Muller, F Du Preez, Butch James, Jean de Villiers, Habana (still has legs in him but I think he´s way past his best now).
10 Oct 2011, 01:49 am
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-645:
Yeah mate.
The Wallabies were all over Matfield while in the air. Its just lucky that Matfield is one of the best and probably now so use to other teams pulling his jersey as it seems its the only way they can get the ball of the Boks in Lineout.
Has to stop, would hate to see an ending of a great career cos of a jersey pulling oposition.
10 Oct 2011, 01:50 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-635: I haven’t seen Bryce ref a good game in 3 years. How he maintains his place in the ref lineup I’ll never know. We don’t cop him that much, the Aussies have hated having him for years. It probably won the game for them as they knew what to expect from him.
I actually thought he was even worse in the Ireland/ Aus game. Paddy O’Brien is a major cheat and should not have a job. Bryce referees the same way the Kiwis play the game – no rules at the breakdown.
Anyway, well done to Australia..an unbelievable defensive effort but I think they have only delayed their departure by a week. They were too disjointed to beat the ABs. Decisions went both ways so we can’t blame that. I actually thought O’Conner would get another chance at his conversion after we charged early and there were a couple of other calls that may have gone their way also.
10 Oct 2011, 01:57 am
@jeest(jeest)-648:
Whats with this POB is a major cheat??
Bryce refed badly for both teams as you have noted, so why is POB a cheat again?
10 Oct 2011, 02:05 am
@nama1(nama1)-627:
Thank you, Nama.
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