Smit blows whistle on bad boy Bryce
11 Oct 2011
Retired Springbok captain John Smit had a pop at New Zealand referee Bryce Lawrence on the team’s arrival back in South Africa.
The 2007 World Cup-winning captain told local media what he told the world media after the Boks’ defeat against Australia, which was that Lawrence took no notice of his complaints about illegal Wallabies play.
”Bryce is not difficult to communicate with, he just doesn’t seem to listen very well,’ said Smit. ‘The one positive (of retirement) is that I won’t ever have to be reffed by him again.’
Smit will play for two years with English club Saracens and retires from the international game having won a World Cup and lost in the quarter-finals in 2003 and 2011 against New Zealand and Australia respectively.
He said he was proud of the effort and acknowledged the warm reception the Boks got on arrival, when thousands greeted their home-coming.
Smit also said the future of South African rugby was bright and added he expected to see the core of the 2011 World Cup squad playing for the Boks in 2012.
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11 Oct 2011, 10:16 am
@Jeest98 : Absolutely … we need systems in place to ensure continuity … what happened to the (White card system( ?
11 Oct 2011, 10:17 am
@jeest(jeest)-91: my misunderstanding, thought you where looking for Aussie criticism of Lawrence.
BTW theroar is not some amateur site and David Lord is a journalist
11 Oct 2011, 10:18 am
@danuk(danuk)-96:
And not concede the Danie penalty. That was the killer.
As the 2nd half ground itself out, no points were being scored, Aus were behind, and the only likely candidates in the house to add to their tally were SA unless through a penalty.
All SA had to do was play to the ref and not do something idiotic.
cue Danie
11 Oct 2011, 10:19 am
Yawn.
Just remind me guys what you all were saying us after Cardiff for all those 4 years.
Thank you and enjoy your own advice.
11 Oct 2011, 10:19 am
@Brads(Brads)-90:
What is the point of my posting anything? It would appear that you already know my thoughts. Oh apologies I shall utilise the royal “we” and say you obviously know our thoughts.
Is this a skill you had from birth, developed through life or did it come about after a severe brain injury?
Fark me John Edwards can you tell me where my grandmother left her jewellery or better yet the combination to the safe inthe house I moved into last year.
If I was you I would use this skill for financial gain rather than trolling websites predicting the collectives thoughts.
11 Oct 2011, 10:22 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2oJlaPyU8o
0:30- 0:40 is classic
11 Oct 2011, 10:27 am
@PeaceFrog(PeaceFrog)-12:
Play the ball not the man – no need to get personal unless you want to prove you’re a sore loser.
Here’s why I said what I said if you are interested:
Boks vs Samoa- Some crucial decisions went against the Samoans – three in particular that were game breakers;
The chip and chase by Tuiailigi (sp) in the first half was knocked out of play by Pat Lambie intentionally; it was an illegal and obvious professional foul and totally ignored by ref and linesman – it possibly saved a try, and certainly should have been a very kickable penalty.
The ref should not have blown half time with Samoa hot on attack was he got in the way (as he often seems to do) – Samoa should have been given a chance to finish the play.
The knock on by Samoa over the try-line should have been a penalty try. The try was only prevented by a player (Fourie?) slapping the arm and ball why he was out of play on the ground.
The red card for Williams slap (milked well by upcoming hollywood star Hennie Brussow) was totally unjustified but was the touch judges call not the refs- I think he realised how bad a call it was and that’s why Smit was sent off a few minutes later (cos his offence wasn’t really that bad either).
As Matfield said at the end of the game the Springboks were lucky – very lucky, as they were just credited with their second undeserved win of the tournament.
Boks vs Wales – disallowed kick was over pure and simple, if there was any doubt they just had to go to the TMO and it would have been obvious.
11 Oct 2011, 10:28 am
@JEZ(DEE DAH)-105:
Get with it.
You extended your personal thoughts in the original post, where this line of converation came from, to encompass the entire mass of Saffadom.
Let it go,
11 Oct 2011, 10:29 am
@Brads(Brads)-103: Actually I thought the game was lost when we could not score a try in that period of domination in the 2nd half.
But yes Danie’s (and Victor’s) penalty was very stupid. I guess it’s hard to judge what went through their heads. Problem is in a game with that much not punished that it is difficult for a team to remain that well disciplined, especially in a knock out game.
I agree with you that we should have taken the 3 points late in the 1st half and that all the small margins makes a difference.
Unfortunately I’ve also seen too many games the last 2 years in tests and S15 where the referee has a significant impact.
So I think being old fashioned is a great approach, but the outcome of games are affected so much these days by referees that it becomes difficult for me to rationalise how I can expect a team to win regardless of the ref anymore
11 Oct 2011, 10:35 am
@ricane(ricane)-107: dude you are trolling
Samoa played the man of the ball so much they should have played with 11 men, so park that ****. A dirty team who tried any underhand thing in the 2nd half to win, good riddance
The Wales game: The TMO could not review that kick UNLESS he had a camera above the posts as well. If you look at the game again you’d see the one ref under the post the balls passes over and one behind the post, inline with the ball flight. So you are reaching …
Wales also go a penalty against us for John Smit no realising when Warburton was the tackler and did not release Smit after tackling, which should have been a penalty for us. Wales had their chances to kick another drop goal and penalty which they missed.
They lost the game, not the referee
11 Oct 2011, 10:38 am
@Brads(Brads)-108:
My accepting the defeat and saying I am not bothered by it is not what you want hear because it won’t feed your irrational desire to rub a defeat in. That is obviously what puts lead in your pencil. Women do it for me but each to their own I suppose.
11 Oct 2011, 10:45 am
@danuk(danuk)-109:
Yes, I am not that obtuse to not recognise the ref has a major influence on the game, as they have always.
I recall an incident back in the late 90′s, don’t remember when exactly but it involved England.
John Hart the AB’s coach went to the ref’s room to clarify his interpretations from the first half. Clive Woodward found out about it afterwards and was apoplectic.
Fair enough too, as he didn’t have the same inside knowledge. I can’t recall what happended as a result of that, but to me, what was wrong with it.!
Yes both sides should get the same access, that is not my issue, why can’t the coaches interogate the ref at half time?
11 Oct 2011, 10:51 am
@JEZ(DEE DAH)-111:
I am not asking you to accept the defeat passively or otherwise.
All I am doing is arguing, “in my opinion” the direction of your angst is ill focused.
Yes, Lawerence was ****, and yes his blowing kept the game close, but SA should have won the game despite of him.
11 Oct 2011, 11:04 am
@Brads(Brads)-112: That might work. I also think there needs to be greater transparency on the preparation and measurement of referees. I think the overall standard of refereeing is not good enough at the moment, possibly because of the interpretations, application, fitness levels and use of assistants and technology.
It’s a balls up currently and every year it seems to be becoming worse, not better
11 Oct 2011, 11:33 am
It’s so funny how the AB’s on this site forget how they b!tched and moaned abouth the Wayne Barnes missing one call that cost them the QF game in 2007 but ripp us off because we complain about Bryse blowing us out of the game for the full 80min!
Wake up hypcrytical kiwi d!cks.
11 Oct 2011, 11:37 am
@ricane(ricane)-107: I don’t think you watched the same game, if th ref had any balls he would have sin binned 3 or 4 Samoa players by the 60min mark, the game was well and truly out of control, reff having no balls.
You’re argument is so one sided it isn’t even funny.
11 Oct 2011, 11:39 am
@HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-23:
what makes you think we have to “imagine” it ?
11 Oct 2011, 11:41 am
@Gunther(gunther)-26:
Cli Che Guevera
how odd for a serial-pisstaker that you dont recognise pisstaking in others. I certainly enjoyed the PE matchday thread, loads of fun.
11 Oct 2011, 11:47 am
It’s funny how the poll says the loss was because the Bok’s failure to take scoring opportunities…and yet the whingers persist with blaming the ref…
11 Oct 2011, 11:50 am
@BreakdownBoy(goodstuff)-115: It’s just called payback!
That was one of the best games of the year…unfortunately someone had to lose.
11 Oct 2011, 11:51 am
@BreakdownBoy(goodstuff)-115: Yes, please, keep going.
11 Oct 2011, 11:59 am
@BreakdownBoy(goodstuff)-116:
Not at all one sided; I didn’t care who won that game, and I noted that Smit sending off was also unjustified.
11 Oct 2011, 12:00 pm
@danuk(danuk)-110:
Interesting how so many Bok players are passionate about smashing the opposition, yet like typical schoolyard bullies run home crying when someone has the audacity to stand up to them.
11 Oct 2011, 12:05 pm
Hey You can all relax now…
just confirmed… Bryce has accepted my invite to him to visit the farm..
Problem solved…it will be settled.
he will meet the Rhino’s
11 Oct 2011, 12:06 pm
The basic truth is this. Bad reffing has again negativly impacted the game of rugby, it did it 2007 with AB’s who lost due to a bad call by Wayne Barnes and it happend again this past Sunday.
The IRB need to address this big time, not good for rugby as a whole when we have such poor performances by the IRB refs.
11 Oct 2011, 12:08 pm
@ricane(ricane)-123: Yes, smashing them in rucks, tackles (legal) and strong ball carries, not off the ball aggresion because you just ain’t good enough (Samoa is not good enough for a QF spot, not 2007 and unfortunatly not in 2011).
11 Oct 2011, 12:09 pm
@BreakdownBoy(goodstuff)-125: The problem is replace Pocock with Brussow and we’ll hear no complaints here at all.
The good boy Heinrich was out and bad boy David stayed for full 80, that’s the sole difference.
11 Oct 2011, 12:23 pm
@BreakdownBoy(goodstuff)-125: I do agree that the reffing standards need to be looked at…
BUT
He was horseshit both ways, not biased. We had all the territory and all the possession and we couldn’t close the game out. The bottom line is we can’t construct tries regularly against top-tier opponents…running in 7 against Namibia doesn’t count, all that did was paper over the cracks.
2 months ago we got roundly thumped by NZ and Oz in the 3N, by what magical fairy-tale did we think we would walk all over them in the world cup? Fact is we were living in hope.
Lawrence didn’t throw a forward pass to Lambie, he didn’t pull Samo’s legs out in the lineout and he didn’t bust up Brussow;s ribs. The aussies were younger, fitter and hungrier. Went Brussow went off I personally thought it was over. Fact is, if Brussow had stayed on and had the game Pocock did, we’d be singing his praises, not lambasting the ref. Our backline had them on the ropes numerous times but couldn’t land the KO punch.
I wish SA’s would get it into their collective conciousness that sometimes, on the day, you are simply not good enough.
11 Oct 2011, 12:26 pm
@Nils(Nils)-127:
exactly, and th
at is why SA didn’t get quick ball, cos Pocock was quick and nobody else was. I fear it may be the same this weekend as Macaw is nowhere near as fast right now as Pocock is to the tackle.
11 Oct 2011, 12:27 pm
@Nils(Nils)-127: Replace a Aus victory with a Bok victory then we will hear all the “Boks were lucky” bile that gets spewed by certain Kiwis and Australians on here.
11 Oct 2011, 12:37 pm
@Nils(Nils)-127: @BreakdownBoy(goodstuff)-126:
Name one Samoan that has been involved in more off the ball agression and foul play than Burger – how he wasn’t cited for repeated attempts to remove Pocock head (including returning to have another go from offside) I’ll never know.
11 Oct 2011, 12:40 pm
@heboric(heboric)-130: All I can say, please, seek help of an oculist or learn to read what is written and not what you want to see to be written.
All Kiwis I saw here were saying Boks were better team in that game and unlucky to lose. I said it too, albeit I am neither Kiwi, nor Aussie.
However, despite all that dominance, they could not neither score a single try, not even kick a needed drop and they were awarded enough pens as well.
Unlike 4 years ago, remember? The we were ridiculed in full swing by gleeful mob here. This time we could replay with the same pleasantries but at least I am not going to however I do see some irony in the fact that the same okes who wetted themselves with delight then are squealing and whingeing now.
@ricane(ricane)-129: You have valid point. Time will tell how things go. I just feel, despite injuries, ABs will be good enough but yes I will stay worried until the final whistle.
11 Oct 2011, 12:41 pm
@ricane(ricane)-123: Cleaning someone out in the ruck and tackling hard is not exactly the same as hitting people … Same **** every 4 years …
Anyway a boring conversation, your saying poor little Samoa was hard done by the terrible, racist IRB, the terrible racist, bully boks and the terrible racist, *** Welsh referee.
I say they are a team with loads of talent but with a serious chip on their shoulder
11 Oct 2011, 12:42 pm
@ricane(ricane)-131: The question is how did some Australians stay on the field. For a while I thought the Boks were wearing cloaks made out of Ozzie players…
11 Oct 2011, 12:44 pm
@ricane(ricane)-131: yes, of course Schalk Burger was the dirtiest player on the field Saturday by a MILE, blah blah blah
Strange that there was no dirty play in any of the other SA games, yet the Welsh complained about the same Samoan tactics against them
11 Oct 2011, 12:48 pm
@Nils(Nils)-127: Hey, nobody is saying that Brussow of Flo are angels, but come on, the Aussie try came from the ball being kicked out of the ruck by Pocock. 5 minutes before that Elsom used his hand to “turnover” the ball when we where right on the Aussie tryline.
No complaints if the ref penalised us as well as them, just at least make it possible for the attacking team to get the ball as well!
I’d like to see what you guys say if the game is refereed like that this Saturday
11 Oct 2011, 12:50 pm
@Nils(Nils)-132: I now what you meant. But the same people who were ridiculed in 2007 were blaming the ref, so the same people cant come on here and start commenting about Bok supporters who are upset with Bryce Lawrence.
I also follow cricket and in 2009 Australia lost the Ashes to the Poms in England, poor Rudi Koertzen was crucified by Australia fans and media because of what they believed was poor umpiring by Rudi.
11 Oct 2011, 12:50 pm
Yes NZINCHINA, it is Bryce’s fault. You can’t score tries if you ball is constantly allowed to be stolen illegally.
Refs have to implement the rules of the game not each ref have his own rules and players adapt.
Some of your comments are idiotic
11 Oct 2011, 12:51 pm
@danuk(danuk)-136: “I’d like to see what you guys say if the game is refereed like that this Saturday”
Cardiff was no different. Barnes allowed Frogs do whatever they please. And reaction here? Cmon, you know that very well.
11 Oct 2011, 12:54 pm
@Nils(Nils)-139: Exactly, so allow us our rant, it helps
11 Oct 2011, 12:55 pm
@heboric(heboric)-137: Hey, a week ago the Aussies where still blaming Bryce for them loosing to Ireland! Suddenly this week he was equally bad and the boks should have played the ref better …
Go figure!
11 Oct 2011, 12:57 pm
@ricane(ricane)-131: WTF are you talking about? Oh, Stowers, Williams and five others who I don’t have the patience to look up spell their names.
11 Oct 2011, 12:58 pm
@Nils(Nils)-139: Whatever dude, the only call that went against the AB’s in Cardiff was the missed foward pass.
11 Oct 2011, 12:58 pm
@Nils(Nils)-132: I’m a saffa and I agree with you 100%
11 Oct 2011, 13:01 pm
@heboric(heboric)-137: “But the same people who were ridiculed in 2007 were blaming the ref, so the same people cant come on here and start commenting about Bok supporters who are upset with Bryce Lawrence.”
I am not sure I follow your logic. We complained and were ridiculed by Saffas, therefore we cannot comment on Saffas comlaining about the very same now?
Of course, we were blaming the ref. One small remark – not about a fwd pass (despite how many times Saffa okes here trump that fact as the our sole complaint), it was about letting Frogs do what they please and in the meantime penalizing the Blacks, who had even more territorial dominance then than Boks now. By the way Barnes was helped by Kaplan who, too, missed a very lot.
And now Boks got exactly the same treatment. And hey, the even got a penalties, so they could kick them. And – to be honest – it”s not refs fault Heinrich got off. Had he stayed, breakdown battle might have been slightly different, don’t you think?
11 Oct 2011, 13:02 pm
I can live with the fact that we lost, that the ref was **** and that the Aussies won.
I getting freakin irritated by the statements on here and in the (mostly) Aussie press that this someone did not have an affect on the game and potentially the outcome of the game.
Enough said on that.
I hope the semi final between the Aussie and the ABs are better refereed and that ABs klap the Aussies, with the “wonderful defensive effort” …
Plus I’d love to see Kaino or McCaw nail QC when he tries a backline move and somehow doubt many AB support would disagree
11 Oct 2011, 13:02 pm
@BreakdownBoy(goodstuff)-143: sure, sure. Bryce officiated well, too.
11 Oct 2011, 13:03 pm
Still blaming the ref…fair dinkum…he was shite for both sides (for your own sake, stop living in denial and open the other eye)…how much possession and territory do you need to score a farkin try???
keep up the whinging, bitching, moaning and whining, it says a lot….about you!!!
11 Oct 2011, 13:06 pm
@Nils(Nils)-145: I don’t. Flo played well.
I think that 1st hand in by Elsom when we where on the Aussie line was key. I think the kick through which caused the try for Australia was also key.
We should have kicked the penalty in the latter part of the 1st half as well, and Danie/Victors penalty was stupid beyond believe.
The scrums where also interesting to see and I’d want to understand why the front rows stood up all the time. Maybe I’m mistaken but I thought we applied good pressure there.
11 Oct 2011, 13:08 pm
on Sunday we got “New Zelanded 07′d”, no two ways about it. funny enough looks like New Zealand might get Springbok 07′d, as they could very well face the team they thrased in the pool stages in the final. although admittedly they do have to get through Aus which is tougher than what we had to do in 07.
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