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• 51.>^..^< katman:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:02 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-50: That’s career limiting. But I guess it beats his previous gig of flogging catering equipment.

• 52.Alucard:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:03 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-48: Says the racist little shack dweller who was repeatedly exposed in support of Bleater duh Failures. Go back to your shanty town, that after you give back the laptop you mugged off an innocent hard working tax payer. There’s a good boy.

• 53.Gunther:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:06 am

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-47:

  I think he has been trainiing the Mau Mau in Kenya.

• 54.justrugby:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:07 am

  What is obvious is that we need an english speaking coach Kitch, Macintosh, Mallet and Jake all reasonably successful !!!

  Viljoen, Strauelli, Markgraaf, Carel etc, not so succesful ……..we have the recipe now just the correct ingredient s needed !!!

  And with that I am going to find my “staaldak, webbing and geweer” and head for the trenches !!!!

• 55.wooden spoon:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:07 am

  Venter
  Mallet
  Mitchell

  In that order.

• 56.Tacitus:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:09 am

  I have long been a critic of the stupid tournament that is the World Cup.

  It is a great money making tool for the old farts at the IRB, but really doesn’t mean much for the big test nations.

  Meyer’s plan – before he was stabbed in the back by the vote of a certain Mr. J.F on the SARU board – was to make the Boks the best team in the world EVERY year, not just at the odd World Cup.

  Getting our win record against the All Blacks back to a positive ratio is the ultimate goal that should be aimed for, not winning every third World Cup and losing most of our big games inbetween.

  An acceptable level of achievement for the Boks should be:

  60% win ratio against the All Blacks
  75% win ratio against the Wallabies
  90% win ratio against England and France
  100% win ratio against Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Argentina and Italy.

  I believe under Heyneke we can achieve that.

• 57.cab:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:10 am

  No Venter for me thank you, Mallett or Mitchell.

• 58.Transformation:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:13 am

  @Alucard(Alucard)-52: “shack dweller” hehehe you have an active imagination mate put to good use

• 59.justrugby:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:14 am

  @Tacitus(Deucalion)-56:

  Truth be told ,I would not be unhappy with a Meyer appointment !!!

• 60.Tacitus:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:14 am

  @Tacitus(Deucalion)-56:

  The above would take the Boks to around an 83% win ratio in any given year, assuming 13 tests, broken down as follows:

  All Blacks: 3 games
  Wallabies: 3 games
  England/France: 2 games
  Other Six Nations opponents: 5 games.

  We should then win between 10 and 11 games each year, depending on the home and away test breakdown.

  83% over a 4 year period, that is where the Boks should be.

• 61.justrugby:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:15 am

  @cab(cab)-57:

  That’ would be first prize imo !!!

• 62.Tacitus:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:15 am

  @justrugby(justrugby)-59:

  Thanks for telling the truth.

• 63.Transformation:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:15 am

  @Tacitus(Deucalion)-56: i say heyneke must get the job NOW and achieve all the targets you have mentioned chop chop…

• 64.cab:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:17 am

  No coach is going to get SA up to Nz’s 80% win record until the black population starts coming online – maybe in 10 years.

• 65.Big Hit:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:18 am

  @justrugby(justrugby)-59: kick and chase rugby JR, how exactly would the Boks attack progress? realistically SA need to move on from that approach if they want to dominate the Kiwis and Wallabies, the Boks already have better forwards than both teams, it’s in the backs where they need to improve and Meyer’s teams have never been able to attack with any fluidity, preferring the likes of Derick Hougaard to work the corners.

• 66.Tacitus:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:20 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-63:

  Glad we agree.

  I would demand an 83% win ratio over the course of 4 years. Give the man a year to get his team settled, and then re-evaluate his performance after two years.

  None of this give him 4 years to build to the next World cup nonsense.

  Having said that, I find it interesting that you wish to hold Meyer to such a higher standard than Snorre and other coaches were held to.

• 67.mshiniwami:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:22 am

  @Alucard(Alucard)-39:

  Hahahaha you are a complete joke,inferior player base…Eloff??? Mitchell had NO Boks or any real players of international quality

  Eloff had:(Internationals)

  Jaque Fourie
  Ricky Januarie
  Jaque Cronje
  Andre Pretorius
  Joe van Niekerk
  Lawrence Sephaka
  Jongi Nokwe (who he let go after 2 trials-became a Bok at Cheetahs)
  Solly Tyibilika
  Lukas van Biljon

  Eloff also had talented youngsters at his disposal:

  Jean Deysel
  Willem Alberts
  Rory Kockott
  Jano Vermaak
  Louis Ludik
  Francois Uys
  Johan van Deventer
  Paul Delport
  Sarel Pretorius(Valke at the time)
  Gerhard Vosloo
  Hendrik Meyer
  Doppies le Grange
  Walter “Karavan” Venter

  Inferior player pool se gat…Eloff was diabolical at Lions

  Try again.

• 68.Tacitus:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:22 am

  @cab(cab)-64:

  That’s nonsense. We had a superior record to NZ BEFORE the black population even participated.

  The black population is a bonus, but the government’s lack of providing rugby at government schools isn’t going to hijack the Boks progress. We will make do with what comes through in private and former model C schools.

• 69.Staal:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:23 am

  ain’t gonna happen!

• 70.wp_boytjie:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:24 am

  @Big Hit(Big Hit)-65:

  Yes good point that , can’t see the Bok tactics improve by continuing to play 10 man rugby with Meyer as coach. We should be playing total rugby with gamebreakers such as De Jongh , Lambie and Hougaardt being the future.

• 71.Transformation:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:25 am

  @Tacitus(Deucalion)-66: nothing strange about it. we are NOT a mediocre nation and heyneke needs to know that or stay at the bulls and rebuild them.

• 72.cab:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:25 am

  @Tacitus(Deucalion)-68:
  nah we had a superior record against NZ, and other sides, but our overall win record again other nations was not anything close to 80% like NZ. think it was around 70%. Agree with you tho that for the black population to make a difference, the sport needs to be grown in public schools and especially in areas like the eastern cape.

• 73.Tacitus:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:26 am

  @Staal(Staal)-69:

  Staal, jy stel my baie teleur met daardie stelling. Dis n realiteit wat ek nie wil aanvaar nie.

  Dalk verander hy van plan. Dalk kry hy n Damaskus ervaring dat hy bedoel is om die Bokke af te rig. Wie weet. Enige iets is moontlik.

  Terloops. Na jou mening, is dit net NOU wat dit nie gaan gebeur nie, of sal dit NOOIT weer n moontlikheid wees nie?

• 74.Gunther:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:27 am

  Why are people begging for Mallet?

  What has he done for Italy?

  What did he accomplish at Province as DOR?

  Let’s look to the future with hope in our hearts and hair on our chest.

• 75.Tacitus:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:29 am

  @cab(cab)-72:

  If you can have a superior win record against NZ today, then you can win 80% of your games against lesser opposition, I am fairly confident of that.

  Remember, the Boks played very few games in those days, and losses to the British Lions dragged that ratio down significantly. There are no British Lions tests in the next decade.

• 76.justrugby:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:30 am

  @Big Hit(Big Hit)-65:

  True!!

  Off the point how’s the reaction been to Martin Johnson over there, do you think he will survive ??

• 77.Staal:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:31 am

  @Tacitus(Deucalion)-73: imo….. Demaskus ervaring is sekerlik altyd n moontlikheid want daar is net 1 konstante en dis dat alles verander – maar glo my dis uiters uiters onwaarskynlik op die huidige tyd!

  daar is groot geld uitgehaal om HM te hou om die Bulls weer n krag te maak….. en hy is gefokus…

  jy sal binnekort **** v nog spelers wat geteken is…. (voorry, slotte)

• 78.Transformation:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:31 am

  @Gunther(gunther)-74: in the same breath, wha are people calling for brendan venter?

  his team has won the aviva premiership the equivalent of what really, currie cup or super rugby?

• 79.cab:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:31 am

  @Tacitus(Deucalion)-75:
  lol, dunno tactitus but reckon you hold meyer, or anyone else to 83%, and they wont even last a season.

• 80.Staal:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:32 am

  **** ? wat de – ek hettie gevloek nie!

• 81.>^..^< katman:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:33 am

  Why don’t we just appoint John Smit as head coach, Victor Matfield as forwards coach and Fourie du Preez as backline coach?

  If the reports are correct, they’ve been doing this exact same job for a number of years already.

  It also solves the problem of a graceful exit in their twilight years as players.

• 82.Big Hit:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:33 am

  @justrugby(justrugby)-76: reaction is as you’d predict after exiting at the QF stage, I think he may survive but mainly because the RFU are in a shambolic state at the moment, there’s no one left in charge to sack him. Personally, I wouldn’t mind THAT much if he stayed on, he has won around 75% of his tests in the past year with a young team, but if he is to go then Mallett and Mallinder are the favourites to replace him.

• 83.Staal:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:34 am

  @cab(cab)-79: it a massive statement but imo we would have won 2011 if HM was there..

  ya – we will never know… but i am speculating….

• 84.Bismarck Burger:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:34 am

  83 % is a tall order but, if we were truly playing to our potensial it would be possible. Is the ABs win record not over 90%?

• 85.>^..^< katman:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:34 am

  @Staal(Staal)-80: Klink soos H O E R in Keo se soutie Afrikaans.

• 86.Tacitus:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:34 am

  @Staal(Staal)-77:

  Ek weet van Wilhelm Steenkamp. Ek het sprake gehoor van die Pumas stut, ek wonder wie nog.

  Maar voorry en slot was waar ons die meeste tekort skiet.

  Enige kans dat Victor nog een seisoen sal speel?

• 87.Staal:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:34 am

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-81:

• 88.Bagel:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:34 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-58: You shouldn’t take that racism, but I respect your ability to shrug it off.

  What does Matfield mean when he says ‘We aren’t ready for an international coach’? That’s pathetic, how conservative are these guys? If I were a pro rugby player I would relish to opportunity to learn new tactics.

  Our successful coaches have always just implemented some structure and a nice environment for the team and then our superior talent won us games. Imagine that talent actually received some proper innovative coaching behind a professional coaching staff that only cared about results and only picked on form as I believe a foreign coach would.

• 89.David:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

  I can’t for the life of me understand why people are suggesting AC as backline coach, other than to include a black member of the coaching team under their preferred head coach. Alistair did nothing for the Lions or the Boks in that capacity. I still remember him stating, after 2 years with Jake, that the backs will be adopting some more attacking moves, but don’t expect things like offloading in the tackle yet. That’s not the words that I want from a backline coach.

• 90.Staal:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

  @Tacitus(Deucalion)-86: Puma stut is gesign.

• 91.Bismarck Burger:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:36 am

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-81: And Bryce Lawrence to teach us the breakdown rules..

• 92.Tacitus:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:37 am

  @cab(cab)-79:

  Let’s look at next season:

  2 home tests against England – win both. – 2 wins
  6 Tri Nations games – win all 3 home games and 1 away game – 4 wins
  Beat the Northern Hemishpere teams at the end of the year – 4 wins.

  That’s 10 out of 12 = 83%.

• 93.Transformation:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:39 am

  @Big Hit(Big Hit)-82: i read somewhere that after some dude in the RFU resigned jonno was to do his own assessmen and recommendations, has that been sorted out?

• 94.Bismarck Burger:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:41 am

  @Tacitus(Deucalion)-92: That is very possible. Even if we don’t win away in 3N we are still at 75%.

• 95.Skeppie:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:41 am

  @cab(cab)-79: Cab I reckon Tacitus has it spot on, we need to instill a results driven set up as opposed to just accepting that we can lose some games between world cups in the name of “building towards the world cup”. We seem to have become too comfortable with losing. Take what we have at our disposal against what the Aussies have and theoretically we should beat them at least 80% of the time.

• 96.mshiniwami:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:42 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-63: @wp_boytjie(wp_boytjie)-70:

  Heyneke with this player pool:

  1.Guthro/Beast/Oosthuizen/Greyling
  2.Bismark/Chilliboy/Strauss/Maku
  3.Jannie/CJ/WP Nel/Oosthuiyzen
  4.Bakkies/Flip/Elstadt/Mostert
  5.Bekker/Kruger/Steenkamp
  6.Brussow/Louw/Daniel/Potgieter
  7.Smith/Burger/Alberts/Deysel
  8.Spies/Johnson/Kankowski/Vermuelen

  9.Hougaard/S.Pretorius/Duvenage/Pienaar
  10.M.Steyn/Lambie/Jantjies/Goosen
  11.Habana/Mvovo/Mapoe
  12.F.Steyn/De Villiers/F.Venter
  13.Fourie/De Jongh/Sadie
  14.JPP/Basson/Sithole
  15.Aplon/Taute/vd Heever

  With his coaching credentials & talent of this generation…would it be out of place to expect HIGHER standards of Meyer results wise to his predecessors???

• 97.Bismarck Burger:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:44 am

  @Skeppie(Skeppie)-95: Jip. The reality is that 90% of the world’s rugby playing community would probably reference the ABs as the world’s best even though they have performed poorly at WC. We need to build a similiar status and definately have the players to do so.

• 98.Transformation:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:45 am

  @Tacitus(Deucalion)-92: if Heyenke can guarantee that, let him get the job. i want to win, i don’t care who is doing it

• 99.Tacitus:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:45 am

  Heyneke took the Bulls from nothing to the most successful SA franchise ever seen.

  He did it once.

  Now he is aiming to do it again.

  If he does so for a second time, then surely there can be no denying his absolute genius.

  His 5 years at the Bulls will pretty much expire after the next World Cup.

  Maybe that will be a good time for him to finally save the floundering ship that is SA rugby. Which he would have done in 2008 already, if spineless backstabbers didn’t end his journey – and SA’s hopes for the last 4 years along with it.

  We reap what we sow, and the moment Divvy was appointed in place of Heyneke we should have bunkered down and prepared for 4 years of suffering – which is exactly what happened.

• 100.Gunther:
  12 Oct 2011, 10:45 am

  @Transformation(Transformation)-78:

  I dunno.

  brendan venter would definitely not be my choice.

  given that saru won’t go for a johnny foreigner then it’s going to be small or ac.

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