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• 201.Gunther:
  12 Oct 2011, 12:23 pm

  @Transformation(Transformation)-198:

  poppycock.

  

• 202.funkyzoo:
  12 Oct 2011, 12:25 pm

  The English soap opera continues:
  http://www.rugbyweek.com/news/article.asp?id=32407

• 203.>^..^< katman:
  12 Oct 2011, 12:25 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-182: According to the crooked Pakistani player agent testifying in the match fixing skandaal, reckons the Aussies are the worst when it comes to “bracket” fixing games. I hope Cricket SA have already contacted Mike Bolhuis to keep an eye on them while they’re here.

• 204.hendrikp:
  12 Oct 2011, 12:26 pm

  @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-200:

  Would’ve been nice to have him around, but same goes for Gurthro Steenkamp, Wilhelm Steenkamp, Ross Skeate, Ashley Johnson, Carel Hoffmann, Johann Sadie, JJ Engelbrecht and Derick Hougaard (before the Bulls got their hands on him) to name a few. End of the day we can’t sign ‘em all.

  I’d put Duvenages scrumhalf ‘smarts’ ahead of Hougaard at this stage. Really think Hougaard needs to work on a lot of the decision making around being a scrumhalf… but he would’ve been a great addition and probable starting scrumhalf had he stayed.

• 205.Michael:
  12 Oct 2011, 12:30 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-196: Schreuder. Think Groom is too ponderous.

  Disagree that Duvenhage doesn’t have the kicking game. He does. Anyways, Honiball didn’t have a tactical kicking game either and neither did Michael du Plessis back in the day.

• 206.Michael:
  12 Oct 2011, 12:31 pm

  @Transformation(Transformation)-198: It’s been argued elsewhere in this thread. I have no wish to re-type what I and others have said already.

• 207.mshiniwami:
  12 Oct 2011, 12:31 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-204:

  Hougaard does have a lot of aspects to work on-scrumhalf play wise but I would still back him to start with his mongrel and attacking game much like Will Genia was a couple years ago. Genia was an all out attacker,around fringes and ball career with a decent pass. That was enough for Deans to usurp him above Burgess who was at the time more experienced/better kicker etc.But Genia learnt on the job and 18 months later is the best 9 on the planet.His development all too evident.Hougaard can make the same transition.

• 208.Gunther:
  12 Oct 2011, 12:34 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-203:

  maybe we can have an 18 century re-enactment and send them to australia in chains.

  who says history never repeats itself?

• 209.mshiniwami:
  12 Oct 2011, 12:35 pm

  Just please no more Ruan Pienaar as premier 9.If there are injuries he can feature but he isnt better than Hougaard even with Hougie having deficiencies in his game.Celtic Player of the Year-good for Ruan but has shown any real improvement even if it was Bok B/C team,he still committed the same old errors of yesteryear.

• 210.hendrikp:
  12 Oct 2011, 12:35 pm

  @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-207:

  Fair call. I’m all out on Ruan at the moment who I think has all the tools to be successful. His few minutes on the field should not be a reflection on what he’s capable of.

• 211.Transformation:
  12 Oct 2011, 12:45 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-210: ruan is kak bra, deal with it.

• 212.Michael:
  12 Oct 2011, 12:54 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-210: I still think Ruan has what it takes to be a great flyhalf. Pity his mental attitude isn’t there. Jones and White were talking about making him the Bok flyhalf if they had continued after the WC.

• 213.The_Don:
  12 Oct 2011, 12:56 pm

  I wonder if Keo or one of his minions has a deal to write a Heyneke Meyer book?

  On that subject, I’m shocked that there hasn’t been an article about what a big mistake it was not playing Butch at 10 in the last few days….

• 214.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:00 pm

  @Michael(mikeybrass)-212: i am in agreement with that too

• 215.Gunther:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:08 pm

  Lindsay Lohan has more mental toughness than Ruan Pienaar.

  Maybe the Irish winter will put some balls on him.

• 216.mshiniwami:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:10 pm

  @Transformation(Transformation)-211:

  Same category:

  Ruan Pienaar
  Pierre Spies
  Gaffie du Toit
  .
  .
  .
  .Wynand Olivier

  Naturally gifted but dont/didnt produce goods despite numerous opportunities. Its actually a disgrace how many chances they got to entrenched themselves.Basically the Bok Tests have been used as training for them to adapt to that level….3 of those have over 35 tests of mediocrity…unacceptable

• 217.semi:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:10 pm

  im a bit late joining this, but really in a perfect world venter would be the only option. All you need to look at is his record:

  Took London Irish (as player/coach) to their first ever cup victory in 2002 winning both player and coach of the year in england after which he retired to pursue a career in medicine.
  Returned to rugby as a defence coach for the stromers, since then they have finished almost every year with the best defensive record in the competition even after he left.
  Saracens: took them from 9th place the year before he took over to 2nd the following and champions the next.

  Probably the best cv of any coach without test experience since Robbie Deans in 2007.

  Though we all know AC will get the job because Meyer and Venter don’t want to deal with all the other things that go along with the bok coaching job.

• 218.once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more...:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:13 pm

  @Transformation(Transformation)-189:
  hehehe here’s more of the same,

  ‘it was a game of two halves’
  ‘going back to the drawing board’
  ‘beaten by a better team on the day’
  ‘It’s all about ‘fronting up’ in the forwards’
  ‘strength and depth’
  ‘Must come away from their 22 with points’
  ‘Take the three’
  ‘Percentage rugby’
  ‘sticking to our structures’
  ‘We’ll take lots of positives out of the match’
  ‘They’re a good side and we’re not taking them lightly’
  ‘A massive challenge for us’

  ‘Obviously we’re disappointed, but there are positives to take from the game.’
  ‘I’m proud of the boys. We prepared well all week. We knew they would come out hard and they did’

  ‘Defence wins games’

  ‘I said last week that the number on Jean’s back does not matter. He stays effective as a runner, decision-maker and leader.’

  ‘I categorise them as world class. The important thing is that they are not seen as individuals, but in the team context as that is where their contribution will be noticed’

  ‘the systems are in place. We’re putting together the pieces of the puzzle. Everybody is working hard and hopefully the season is a big success for us, said Coetzee.’

  ‘Of course we’re also a long way from where we want to be: we still have some six weeks before our first Super 15 game. So it’s not the final product yet.”’

  “I mean, you’d love to have a Pat Lambie and Elton Jantjies to go with your Peter Grant and Lionel Cronje, wouldn’t you? But nobody has that luxury: who is to say that our flyhalf depth outside our top two will be any worse than the Bulls, for instance?”

  ‘Our physical intensity will have to be massive for the full 80 minutes if we want to come out with a positive result. ‘

  ‘It will be vital for us to be accurate and to make better decisions than the last time ‘

  ‘The team is in a good space at the moment’

  i’ll keep digging transie…

  ‘

• 219.Sheriff:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:13 pm

  POEM FOR BRYCE- ( thinking ’bout you mate )

  Why did you have to do it Bryce?
  Mistakes galore, not once, not twice even much more than thrice
  This you did to get your slice
  But, I guess in the end, you will have to pay the price

  Sheriff
  2011

• 220.President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:17 pm

  ok article on rugby365 has it where Matfield says , there is zero chance of Meyer making himself available for bok coach job

• 221.once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more...:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:19 pm

  @Transformation(Transformation)-211:
  agiile-t would be proud

  @Gunther(gunther)-215:
  a siberian sojourn couldn’t put balls on him.

• 222.once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more...:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:25 pm

  here’s some more of what allister will dish up for the boks transie:

  “We were beaten by a better team , they scrummed really well and were highly competitive at the breakdown and we made elementary mistakes which cost us,”

  “We will take all the criticism on the chin, but in my books it was still a very good season.”

  “We are at that tipping point and it is important that we keep believing in our systems and structures and I think it is important that we get quality players in terms of our depth,” said Coetzee.

  “Credit to them (Crusaders), but then again rugby is all about momentum and if we had taken the right choices early on then it could have been a different ball game,”

• 223.Michael:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:28 pm

  @once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-222: As opposed to the insightfulone-liners delivered by Deans, the stone-faced mumbling nonsense of Johnson, the deadpan inanities of Henry, etc?

• 224.Samba Bok:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:32 pm

  I’m getting a little bit tired of hearing about Victor Matfield.

  He has been a fantastic servant of rugby but I felt he overstepped the mark by taking over coaching the team along with Smit. I call it the Smitfield show. Maybe he felt like he had no choice.

  But who is he to try and influence the administrators and tell them that SA is not ready for a foreign coach? When will we be ready? I think we are ready. All our homegrown coaches have not been great shakes. I think its time to think out of the box and bring in an outsider not tainted by the SA rugby establishment. He should be given full control. 2 year contract with performance clauses.

  I’m beginning to wonder if Matfield should be involved in the Bok setup as a lineout coach / consultant. Who says he won’t try and interfere and try to impose his mark on the new game plan. Perhaps he will have Smit whispering in the shadows: “skop en jag”. Matfield favours an ultra-conservative game plan and I think for that reason he should not be involved in the new coaching setup in any shape or form.

  That’s my opinion. I’m sure I will be called d00s or cnut by the children that try to lord out this blob…sorry meant blog.

• 225.stormersboy:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:34 pm

  @Transformation(Transformation)-149: I said exactly what I wanted to say. If I’d wanted to say anything else I would have.

  Tell me I’m wrong about my post.

  He is the only one that ticks the boxes, both experience-wise and politically. And that last point is a not insignificant one.

  You may not care as you say, but you are not choosing the next coach.

• 226.Samba Bok:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:36 pm

  @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-207: Genia is a revelation for the Wallabies.

  Hougaard probably has elements to develop in his game because he gets to start at scrum-half once in a blue moon. Its expecting a bit much of any player to produce a complete performance in a position they hardly ever get the chance to play in at test level.

• 227.Sheriff:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:37 pm

  @once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-222:

  Yeah Allister and Jake really enjoyed ‘playing with words’ during their tenure as Bok coaches.

  If you watch carefully you will see the same ‘mouth movement’ for both of them.

  Allister for me is a type of guy that will avoid all forms of conflict and to do that he will throw these lines week in and week out.

  It may be a case of them playing a game of who could say the most without saying anything.

• 228.THE MAULER:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:40 pm

  Head Coach: Ewan Mckenzie
  Backs: John Mitchel
  Forwards: Plumtree

  Maybe…

• 229.F0k_Protea_Rugby_)team_take_Allister_and_save_WP_rugby:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:42 pm

  make b venter WP coach!!!!!!!

• 230.F0k_Protea_Rugby_)team_take_Allister_and_save_WP_rugby:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:45 pm

  Head Coach: A Coetzee
  Backs: P treu
  Forwards: Jerome Paarwater
  Kicking : E Tobias

  Manager : T Wakefield

• 231.Bismarck Burger:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:48 pm

  @The_Don(The_Don)-213: Ja, they pushed the Butch card so much – it was almost as if keo was his agent.

• 232.Bismarck Burger:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:51 pm

  @Samba Bok(JayDaFiveOh)-226: Hougie is the man, we need to invest now. He will hold ruck and maul fringe defenders guessing much longer than normal 9′s as he poses a threat to break and has the pace to finish

• 233.rocco:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:54 pm

  We may not be ready for it, but what we really need is an experienced foreign coach. If one looks at the Lions/Cats and their dismal history of more than a decade, 2 blinding lights are apparent, the present revival under Mitchell and the 2000/2001season where a Super 12 semi was achieved with Laurie Mains in charge.
  Both of these instances prove the potential existing in SA rugby and the shortcomings of our local coaching. Mains and Mitchell took severely under-performing teams with what the “gurus’ called “no-name players” and converted them to contenders and Springboks. A foreign appointment would be the result of a purely rugby decision, which sadly as we all know cannot happen in this wonderful country we find ourselves in.

• 234.F0k_Protea_Rugby_)team_take_Allister_and_save_WP_rugby:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:56 pm

  What Lions revival? they are leading a vodacom cup standard currie cup … first look and see if they make the final. They were also hond kak in Super rugby!

• 235.ufo:
  12 Oct 2011, 13:59 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-225:

  of the local coaches… i agree with you 100%…

  although i would not be sorry to have him continue at WP… although dobbo may get the job if AC goes… which would also be an interesting thing…

  of the foreign coaches i’d look at john kirwan…

• 236.SexyTime:
  12 Oct 2011, 14:09 pm

  Please go “like” this petition on FACEBOOK. So we can get that doos off his whistle.
  http://www.facebook.com/messages/?action=read&tid=u6%2FQwFsOurctv%2B32mzhsig#!/pages/Petition-To-Stop-Bryce-Lawrence-Ever-Reffing-A-Rugby-Game-Again/286992594653732

• 237.Gunther:
  12 Oct 2011, 14:12 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-225:

  don’t come here with your white tendencies.

• 238.stormersboy:
  12 Oct 2011, 14:13 pm

  @ufo(ufo)-235: Ja, I’d be surprised if we looked at a foreign coach, although it would come free of provincial bias, which would be a a very interresting thing….

  You may find players like Adriaan Strauss, and Josh Strauss getting some serious game time in green and gold…

• 239.rocco:
  12 Oct 2011, 14:14 pm

  F0k_Protea_Rugby_)team_take_Allister_and_save_WP_rugby@234

  Agreed, they had a poor Super 15, but one cannot deny the improvements in their play and structures. They started the Tourney in a very promising fashion, only just losing matches they should have won to Bulls and Stormers. It was always going to be difficult for a young team to recover from that. I’m not a Lions fan, but I am excited at the upward swing in their fortunes, and while they may not be 2012 Super 15 contenders, a mid-table finish would be a significant improvement on recent years.

• 240.semi:
  12 Oct 2011, 14:17 pm

  Here is my coaching team:

  head coach alistair coetzee: he’s competent, the right colour and decent with the media. He’s a likeable guy that nobody will have a problem with; certain shortcomings can be accommodated with the right team around him.

  Backline coach Paul Treu: it seems that SARU have noticed potential in this guy. I’ve heard he is an incredible man manager and is intelligent and eager to learn. I’ve heard from reliable sources in SA rugby that there is a desire for him to eventually be springbok coach. Giving him the backline job like Coetzee was in 2004 is the logical next step.

  Forwards Coach Gert Smal: He is experienced, successful and enjoys a long working history with the boks and Coetzee – what more could one ask for?

  Technical Advisor Brendan Venter: this job would allow Venter to strengthen the bok defense and overall game plan, whilst being a bit of a mentor for Treu. This is probably the best place for Venter in the bok squad as he can operate without too much contact with the media and administration and not cause too much trouble.

  I think this combo would be a force to be reckoned with in world rugby.

• 241.stormersboy:
  12 Oct 2011, 14:21 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-237: Blerrie agents. They’re everywhere.

• 242.stormersboy:
  12 Oct 2011, 14:24 pm

  And PS

  RYAN

  Good thing it was a fact that Butch James would start all the important games,

  They must have been saving him for the final.

  A face for radio, a voice for print and a propensity to state opinions/wild speculation as fact.

  Maybe the new administration will throw you a more reliable bone…..

• 243.Transformation:
  12 Oct 2011, 14:27 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-225: express yourself stormersboy, it’s a free country

• 244.Transformation:
  12 Oct 2011, 14:28 pm

  @semi(semi)-217: Brendan Venter: ‘I’m not holier than thou. I’m no better than others’
  Sunday, 29 August 2010

  Honesty is the policy of the Saracens supremo, who has Christian beliefs and pursues the ‘perfect rugby game’ with religious zeal

  By Hugh Godwin

  Sooner or later, Venter admits, he will return home to his medical practice. Does he have an ambition to coach the Springboks? The answer is a surprise. “No, no, no. Uh-uh. It’s too all engulfing of your whole life. Here [at Saracens], you have the best part of coaching: brilliant friends and a brilliant job. The Springboks… it’s too destructive. The moment the stakes become that high, I don’t think it’s worth it.

  When I was young I wanted it more than anything. When you get old your priorities change.” But he’s only 40? “Yeah, but you become more wise. When you’re young you think you can change the world immediately. Now you know that [it] takes a bit of time

• 245.iceman:
  12 Oct 2011, 14:35 pm

  Heyneke Meyer will not repeat what happened last time, once burnt twice shy!

  Why on earth would he give up a good job and career at the Bulls to be stuffed around again. It won’t happen!

  He will never trust SARU again and I can tell you there are not many other good SA coaches who would set themselves up for failure if they cannot select and coach the teams in the manner that they want too.

  We will once again have to accept a political appointment.

  At least Alistair Coetzee has experience now at Super Rugby and was tutored by an excellent coach in Jake White. He will install the same ethics and structures as Jake.

  If anybody get the job I hope it’s him.

• 246.Hondo:
  12 Oct 2011, 14:35 pm

  @Sheriff(Sheriff)-219:
  A ngreat poem
  Just that it wasn’t written after the 1st Test against the B&ILs in 2009 when old Bryce gave us the Lions on a plate?
  Not a one word of remorse or regret for a travesty of Test victory, devoid of certain value when the evidently corrupted Bryce handed the Poms and Irish on a plate.

• 247.stormersboy:
  12 Oct 2011, 14:41 pm

  @Transformation(Transformation)-243: That’s what they tell me…..

• 248.Helen:
  12 Oct 2011, 14:42 pm

  wazup swamp donkeys?
  I see you are all still waving away the flies around your ar$e$
  There is no way that Saru will appoint a foreigner or a white coach.
  Deal with it.
  Coetzee is our next coach, like it or not

• 249.Great White Shark:
  12 Oct 2011, 14:44 pm

  We need a foreign coach like we need Malema for President.

• 250.Helen:
  12 Oct 2011, 14:44 pm

  Heyneke will replace Coetzee at WP

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