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• 401.mpundulu:
  12 Oct 2011, 18:14 pm

  @malcolm(malcolm)-399: Quite right, he is very much a defensive wing and lies in wait.

• 402.Samba Bok:
  12 Oct 2011, 18:14 pm

  @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-383: Pienaar is absolute kak. Time for that guy to give up. He’s had too many chances. As has Spies. I want to see a Kaino -like no.8 not a winger masquerading as an 8th man. Either Spies plays wing or farks off.

• 403.mpundulu:
  12 Oct 2011, 18:15 pm

  @Samba Bok(JayDaFiveOh)-400: He comes across as tasty, I’d like to see him in superrugby but he’s a definite talent.

• 404.mpundulu:
  12 Oct 2011, 18:17 pm

  @Samba Bok(JayDaFiveOh)-402: Spies has to leave, I’m sure there are European clubs who’d pick him up.

• 405.nama1:
  12 Oct 2011, 18:31 pm

  @Samba Bok(JayDaFiveOh)-398:
  I think the blame there should be put on the shoulders of the player/s who made the call to play the ball from the top of the line out. In other words, the jumper (VM) gives (throws) the ball to the SH (FdP) while he is still supported in the air which then deemed the line out over.

  Playing a top ball so close to your goal line means that the opposition players are free to close down the first receiver behind the gain line and that was exactly what happened.

  What should have happened, was that VM should’ve come down with the ball and the Boks should’ve drive a bit to suck in the Aus forwards. Thereby creating a bit of space for MS to kick out.

  Now, the question is, who made that call? VM, FdP or JS?

  Another case of senior/veteran players acting like novices.

• 406.David:
  12 Oct 2011, 18:37 pm

  @nama1(nama1)-405:
  I agree. Schalk’s been getting a lot of stick from some people here, but what he did was perfectly standard given the position. He was trying to gain a few metres away from touch and the tryline for a ruck to give his flyhalf room and angle to clear.

• 407.nama1:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:05 pm

  @David(David)-406:
  Exactly david.

  In my view we should’ve set up a maul and drove instead of setting up a ruck. A maul that went forward 3/4 metres, would’ve created the room for a clearance by MS.

  So, at the end of it all, someone made the wrong call. The question is, who?

• 408.David:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:11 pm

  @nama1(nama1)-407:
  Yeah, Schalk didn’t have much option when he got the ball, but to try and create a 2nd phase platform.

• 409.mshiniwami:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:14 pm

  Mapoe was playing quite well in early 2010,first at 13 then 14 where he tore Bulls backs a new one early in competition.Then he got injured,then all the controversy.Was rushed back early this year,saw his running mechanics were poor,running gait very stiff and change of direction/step not explosive…wasnt fully fit/rehab.

  In CC he has been outstanding,looks fully fit and very very eager.High work rate,good under high ball,physicality bar none.Played 13/14 with aplomb.

  This boy is still only 22/23. Fully fit,HE IS THE BUSINESS.

  One thing i like about him is that he doesnt stand back.Knows he is good and can back it up. When he is fit,he is a problem for any defense.Only downside is that he’s a bit injury prone due to his abrasive style of play.

  Boy is good though.pretty D A M N good.

• 410.ashampoopaloo:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:21 pm

  @David(David)-408:

  It was a set move.. same move that been drummed into them by Rassie no doubt throughout their pre game MO

  Give the ball to Burger at first receiver and let him charge the advantage line and set up 2nd phase ruck ball..

  That went on for the entire 80 minutes .. the culminating result of it was Burgers impressive stats of 133 mts carried… One try against… one try fluffed on the opposition try line… and not a glimmer of a try for us.. until Bismark charged Coopers 22 drop out for FdP to falter and fluff it on the line.. or JdV tore through the midfield to send Lambie away on a forward pass hope and a prayer..

  Feeble stupid idea for burger to carry it up in front of our posts.. go to ground.. get isolated as happens frequently.. get turned over.. and try time Aussie…

  Most stupid Rassie maneuver anyone could possibly find… and the entire Boks and WP strategy is built around Burger being the carry ball go to man.. most stupid pathetic strategy I have EVER seen going absolutely NOWHERE YET !!

• 411.David:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:23 pm

  @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-409:
  @nama1(nama1)-407:
  The one thing this years CC has shown us, is that the Eastern Cape players must be brought into the S15 as soon as possible. When one looks at how WP, Lions and FS have been forced to bring their own youngsters into their sides and how they’ve performed, leaving the major unions to sign and bury the EC youngsters in academies is criminal.

• 412.mshiniwami:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:29 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-410:

  Burger is not as powerful in the tackle and not strong on his feet.often launches himself but goes down to quick.Easy meat. He is very good as a link though,his passing has improved greatly. Vermuelen usually carts it up with Burger secondary ball carrier which works better as secondary/channel 2 doesnt have the biggest and destructive tacklers where Burger can take it up. But channel 1 is for likes of Alberts.

• 413.Chris4Lions:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:30 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-410: I guess it was also Schalk’s fault that Pocock kicked the ball from an offside position and his fault that Mr Ref missed it. Youre an idiot!!

• 414.Samba Bok:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:33 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-410: And okes on here want Rassie and Coetzee in the new coaching setup? Good grief!

• 415.David:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:33 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-410:
  You’ve got a point there. I hadn’t looked at it in that context.

• 416.Tuna:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:34 pm

  @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-409: The Lions back line looked impressive with Mapoe at centre.

• 417.Tuna:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:36 pm

  @mpundulu(mpundulu)-404: Or he can focus on the Mr Olympia.

• 418.David:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:38 pm

  @Chris4Lions(Chris4Lions)-413:
  He didn’t say it was Schalks fault, but Rassies tactical fault. The point is, that if it was a planned move, it was the wrong situation to attempt it. As Nama1 asks, who made the call?
  Besides, why resort to personal abusive directed at an opinion.

• 419.Chris4Lions:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:39 pm

  @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-412:
  I dont agree with you regarding Schalks power. My opinion: It is better to go down faster when you got 2 or more players tackling you because the player will run the risk of being held up and concede turnover ball, and secondly you can get a faster 2nd or 3rd fase ball.

  I would have had Schalk running in the 3 rd face ball with Alberts or one of the tight five taking 1st and 2nd face balls to get over the advantage line. Poor planning from coaches

• 420.Chris4Lions:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:44 pm

  @David(David)-418:
  “Feeble stupid idea for burger to carry it up in front of our posts.. go to ground.. get isolated as happens frequently.. get turned over.. and try time Aussie…”

  I agree on the coaches game plan mistakes, but above quoted line makes it looks as if it was Schalks fault. Apologies for getting personal

• 421.ashampoopaloo:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:48 pm

  @Chris4Lions(Chris4Lions)-413:

  You the f’ng idiot you dumb clown.. Burger had NO business going to ground with NO protection by any support.. isolated in front of his own posts and hoping to set up a ruck when it was time to get the hell outa there…

  Ball had to get to fly half ASAP and booted far as possible upfield and preferably into touch….

  @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-412: and that is correct Burger is the absolute WRONG ball carry go to man.. when EVER has Burger actually breached the advantage line and set up some kind of attack ball momentum.. never is the answer.. he carries it up time after time… shuffling this way up the field then that way.. and when confronted in the tackle ball situation he’s down on the ground and often its a turnover to the opposition.. hardly ever do we gain real penetration through midfield or round loose ball fringes when Burger carries the ball up.. yet he is Rassie and Coetsee’s CHIEF ball carry go to man..

  You are correct his tackle position on meeting opposition tackler is downright dangerous to effecting ongoing continuity beyond the breakdown.. players like Vermeulen and Alberts and Bismark FAR more effective as front foot ball battering rams…

  In Boks strategy last couple games this WC Burger literally played at fly half.. first receiver 8 times out of 10.. he carried FAR more running meters than ANY back on the park.. and yet NOT a glimmer of a try was coming from ANY of those nonentity forays into no mans land… Jacque Fourie NEVER saw the ball. he was reduced to a bloody Burger inspector.. WTF Burger is doing as the first 5/8 ths in Boks backline heaven or Rassie only knows

  and then we wonder why the fck this Bok team has NO back line penetration whatsof’ng ever..!!!

• 422.David:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:53 pm

  @Chris4Lions(Chris4Lions)-420:
  Yeah, Shamps does get carried away, but the main point is, where was his support once the decision was made? If it was a called move then its execution was atrocious.

• 423.ashampoopaloo:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:56 pm

  Frans Louw is far more effective as both a ball carrier and a ground ball player to Burger.. so is Heinrich Brussow.. so is Willem Alberts or Duanne Vermeulen.. or this new kid Marcel Coetsee at Sharks.. or Juan Smith .. or perhaps even Ashley Johnson or Zach Strauss at Lions…

  Burgers only real contribution is the massive amount of tackles he puts out in an 80 minute game.. Burger’s main forte and strength of his game is outright consistency in charging down the oppisition ball carrier and effecting cover tackles.. His ball carry skills are limited and his ground ball work is weak…

  People see all the frenetic mayhem he puts out on a rugby field and they are fooled into believing it is all effective ball carrying or work in the trenches when it is more a frenzy of attrition in open play.. but hardly a concerted line momentum or break through the advantage line setting up a try scoring opportunity is EVER the result of Burgers consistent and endless forays into mid field no mans land as first receiver and then becoming null and void once met in the tackle…

• 424.Chris4Lions:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:57 pm

  @David(David)-422:
  Whoever made the call should be blamed, but they have done that move the whole year. The support players should have been better as the Ausies were waiting.

• 425.David:
  12 Oct 2011, 19:59 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-423:
  That’s why I don’t believe he’s the answer at 7.

• 426.ashampoopaloo:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:03 pm

  @Chris4Lions(Chris4Lions)-420:

  who’s f’ng fault was it Bismark Du Plessis ?? or Bryan Habana ??

  It was the ONLY try scored in the encounter and the fundamental reason we LOST the game and got booted out the competition.. that and the other time he tried getting over the advantage line on Aussie try line and ONCE more it was stolen out his hands by Aussie defender on the ground..

  2 times Burger lost the ball on the ground in CRITICAL game winning or losing situations.. and BOTH times it was stolen off him and turned over by opposition.. who’s f’ng fault WAS it.. Heinrich Brussow’s or Frans Louws ?? Because rest assured neither of those would have had the ball turned over in such critical situation or position…

• 427.Jeraldjay:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:03 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-421: so you can make sense when you want to.

• 428.BoksareImpotentonAttack:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:09 pm

  David Pocock

  “We’re going to have to step up at the breakdown again and Craig Joubert’s a great ref, so we’re expecting him to be good there.”

• 429.wooden spoon:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:09 pm

  @nama1(nama1)-407: most probably they didn’t because the Aussies were collapsing every maul. You will have noticed that we didn’t get one single rolling maul going from the line outs the whole game… they had a pretty nifty technique of falling over and/or tackling around the ankles.

• 430.ashampoopaloo:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:09 pm

  @Chris4Lions(Chris4Lions)-424:

  was the dumbest move i ever seen.. directly resulted in a try.. the only try of the match.. to Aussie.. and it was a set move.. set up likely by Rassie and co as some kind of pre programmed ploy.. get the ball to Burger who will carry it up and set 2nd phase ball… either FdP called it , (same as it was FdP that called Pierre Spies to go blind when an entire back line was waiting on the open side in attack situation.. Spies goes blind solo on his ace and gets trundled into touch.. turnover ball again)…or else it was pre planned move by coaches that Burger is the go to man at 1st receiver EVERY g’dam ball whether on defense or attack.. and our back line disintegrates in a bunch of useless lemmings following this ineffective inefficient ball carrier who is playing at first receiver every single play..

  Stupid is hardly the f’ng word…

• 431.BoksareImpotentonAttack:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:13 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-423:

  Frans Louw is not Bok material.
  We lost the game when Brussow went off.
  Burger i have always said was the most overrated Bok in history.
  Seems like you and me are the only 2 SA supporters who were disgusted at the Bok loss. Most of the letters in the paper are about how proud the supporters are. The masses are a bunch of idiots.

• 432.BoksareImpotentonAttack:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:14 pm

  Its MEYERS time if there was any justice in South Africa.
  Sick to death of these Quota coaches
  and Allister is a Quota coach.
  Rassi is cr@p

• 433.cab:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:15 pm

  Should have been Alberts carrying the ball up, he was immense at it, by far the best balcarrier in the S15, he is nothing less than a SA version of Willy O and has exactly the same massive tackles, its only he and bismarck who can actually bust the gain line and get go-forward – Spies doesnt have the heart for the channel 1 collision and Burger no longer has the explosiveness in his body.

• 434.BoksareImpotentonAttack:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:17 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-430:

  Maybe you should be the next Bok coach. At least you speak sense.

• 435.BoksareImpotentonAttack:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:19 pm

  @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-429:

  Nothing personal but the Bok supporters are a bunch of ****-ing cry babies.
  Its always the ******-g refs fault every time we lose if its by less than 20 points

• 436.wooden spoon:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:27 pm

  @BoksareImpotentonAttack(Boksarenumber1)-435: no offence taken.

  Besides, no-one around here takes you seriously anyway (I think it’s all the rude words and moaning that you employ).

  Thanks for commenting anyway.

• 437.David:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:28 pm

  It’s easy to identify a few errors and claim that’s where we lost the game. The reality is that we didn’t have the creativity to exploit all the possession we enjoyed.

• 438.wooden spoon:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:29 pm

  @David(David)-437: spot on.

• 439.Jeraldjay:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:31 pm

  @BoksareImpotentonAttack(Boksarenumber1)-432:Coetzee is not my ideal candidate but he is NOT a quota coach.

• 440.wooden spoon:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:34 pm

  @Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-439: agreed.

  2 consecutive S14/5 finals… you have to be decent enough to do that.

  But, like you, I don’t see him as the ideal candidate.

  Finishing 2nd is not good enough for the Boks.

  2.06 tries per game…

  defence, defence, defence

  Matfield says he is the best replacement, tells me he is going to be a buddy buddy nice guy coach

  SARU needs to be wise.

• 441.ashampoopaloo:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:37 pm

  @BoksareImpotentonAttack(Boksarenumber1)-431:

  Frans Louw had a good game, go check it again.. he put in plenty tackles and linked well with other Bok players and did some damage in slowing Aussie ball and getting stuck in the trenches, because Spies wan’t anywhere near there. He is no Brussow on the ground, he is no David Pocock, but his contribution in the general loose was very effective.. try check the game again you will see.. Boks had the better part of every attack situation.. they were done on the ground and on the last line of defense where their strategy of trying to breach Aussie defense with Burger’s and Roussow’s noneffective carries proved null and void every time … FdP was too slow setting up quick attack ball, and then it would invariably go to either Burger or Roussow, or sometimes Spies or Matfield or Bismark later in the game… but the line of attack was stereotypical and easy to defend against and too slow.. all that possession and territory and totally ineffective penetration through the gain line..

  Cab is correct, Bismark, Alberts are the only two in the pack that could do that and Louw would do better at it than Burger, and neither were on the field till much later..

  JdV was the only back that was getting across the gain line.. but the backs hardly saw the ball like Fourie .. being starved out the game… it was being carried up by Burger 8 times out of every 10…

• 442.Jeraldjay:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:45 pm

  @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-440: coetzee will be another 5 out of 11 against the AB’s. Sorry but that’s not good enough going forward.

• 443.JL1:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:52 pm

  We missed Juan Smith BIG TIME

  Only player that would clear out the ruck good and proper and only player that drives over the the gain line and holds onto the ball

  Simple as

• 444.cab:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:53 pm

  Two very types of pack possession rugby.

  1. argentianian-style posession which is slow, ponderous and muscling, and static and which they score very few tries off of, or

  2. AB-style possession where they rip over the gainline and clean-out rucks at a frightenining rate.

  The optimam balance of these two was the Bok pack of 2009 – it was like a veritable blitzkrieg and the oppo simply cannot reset its defensive alignment quick enough to counter that sort of high-intensity phase possession – its what mitchell is playing at the lions even tho he dont have gems like bismarck and alberts.

• 445.ashampoopaloo:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:55 pm

  Actually there were 3 go to men in the forwards of that team on Sunday

  Bismark, Alberts and Gurthro Steenkamp.. those were the 3 players who should have been the vanguard of the Boks attack momentum through the front foot onslaught from first kick off.. and Boks would still be in the competition.. I have hardly any doubts about it whatsoever.. and Beast should have been on bench..

  CJ, Butch, Aplon were not used…

  Hougaard should have played at 9, Hougaard at 11 off bench when Habana got busted already in first half.. and Alberts and Bismark on instead of Spies and Smit and Boks would be competing vs AB’s this weekend..

  Absolutely guaranteed..

• 446.JL1:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:56 pm

  Our coaches are just not good enough
  We need an Academy for coaches

  AC is OK, bu there in lies the problem, he is just OK

  Give me a Kiwi coach any day of the week

• 447.cab:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:57 pm

  Smit and the older blokes who player looser could not be in a Mitchell-type pack – cos he wants the fitness and frightening levels of conditioning needed to pull of that high-intensity gameplan. Instead kickchase was favoured by the Bok cos it requires less effort than keeping possession and attacking properly with it including all the close support play, clean-outs and go-forward drives.

• 448.JL1:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:58 pm

  If we took the 3 points on offer we would have still been in NZ

• 449.cab:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:58 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-445:
  exactly right Guthro and Beast are the other two, but Gurthro is more direct these days.

• 450.JL1:
  12 Oct 2011, 20:59 pm

  Cab

  Everyone employs the kick chase.It is how they execute it

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