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• 351.Samba Bok:
  13 Oct 2011, 15:48 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-6: This is the problem Bok supporters. They are too prepared to accept mediocrity. You would never ever hear an AB supporter saying something like this.

• 352.hendrikp:
  13 Oct 2011, 15:48 pm

  @Great White Shark(Predawn)-348:

  No chance man. That pass was definitely forward. Saw it with lines they drew which were in line with the 22m, and it travelled about 1m forward, without a doubt.

• 353.Great White Shark:
  13 Oct 2011, 15:50 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-352:

  In New Zealand they call that a flat pass..

• 354.Nils:
  13 Oct 2011, 15:50 pm

  @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-341: “no surprise that the Bulls drilled a new buthole in 2009…they had some decent south african reffing.”

  Bingo. 11 from 15, if I recall correctly. No surprise at all.

• 355.Brigadier Van Zyl:
  13 Oct 2011, 15:51 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-352:

  amazingly, the one definative game changing decision….bryce got right?

  so it is true then……that even a blind ****** finds a banana sometimes.

• 356.hendrikp:
  13 Oct 2011, 15:51 pm

  @Samba Bok(JayDaFiveOh)-351:

  Puh-lease. Be realistic.

  If you set goals that can’t be reached, you’re setting yourself up for failure. FACT.

• 357.Transformation:
  13 Oct 2011, 15:53 pm

  @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-341: they said it was the Boks fault that we didn’t win and that in every rugby game there are things that ref miss, it’s nothing new and saffas must chin up.

• 358.Transformation:
  13 Oct 2011, 15:54 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-338: ngilibulele ingundwane

• 359.hendrikp:
  13 Oct 2011, 15:56 pm

  @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-355:

  Must be. All I know is that pass was way way forward. Not even debatable and they still showed it on TV here just to prove that it was in fact forward. The angle it was shown on TV made it a bit hard to see but I thought it was obvious.

  What cost us was him penalizing Australia only 4 times throughout the entire game.

• 360.>^..^< katman:
  13 Oct 2011, 15:57 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-352: Actually, no. Check this video. It’s an eye opener.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg

  Or let me rephrase that. Most passes we see are forward, if you were to plot the point of release and the point of catch. But with the passer moving several meters forward in the time it takes for the ball to travel to the catcher, the pass looks well back. I’d say over 90% of passes in running rugby actually travel forward, but are perfectly legal.

  The one in question (Lambie’s try) was no different, except for the fact that the passer got tackled dead and made no progress. So the pass was caught ahead of him, and therefor called up. See around 2:45 in the vid.

  It surprised me too.

• 361.Helen:
  13 Oct 2011, 15:58 pm

  This blog seems to have lost some of its fizz.
  Where are the Kitcheners, Langers, ET’s when you need them to perk up your day??

  Ok, maybe we won’t see Kitch here again… he’s still licking his balls after Eng crashed like a Bellville Uno driver on tik

• 362.Helen:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:00 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-359:

  That was NOT a forward pass….
  You have to allow for momentum drfit.
  If not, 99% of rugby passes will be considered forward
  It’s refereeing 101.
  Bryce cheated us

• 363.bryce_in_oz:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:00 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-337:

  On top of 27 (yes 27) tackles with a 100% success rate!

• 364.hendrikp:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:01 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-360:

  I don’t know man… all I know is that in the rulebook, that was forward, and Lawrence was therefore right to call it as that.

• 365.bryce_in_oz:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:02 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-362:

  It was a touch judge call… the only one made seemingly all game… or even competition…

• 366.>^..^< katman:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:03 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-364: Watch the vid and then comment. You’ll rethink what you know about the rule book.

• 367.Helen:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:03 pm

  @bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-363:

  Time to change the name there, mister.
  Soon you’ll have crazy eyed saffas tracking down your IP address and sending a platoon of escaped Pollsmoor inmates to sort out the BRYCE.

  The day I post under the name BRYCE on here, will be the most opportune time to invite the Avbob consultant into my house

• 368.hendrikp:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:04 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-362:

  I’d like to see more clips from an actual rugby game to believe that.

  Can be easy to make a clip like that… but where is the proof it is actually happening in games?

• 369.Gunther:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:04 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-361:

  pick a putative bok team.

  works wonders it does.

  hang out with your wang out.

• 370.once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more...:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:05 pm

  perhaps someone could do a breakdown and post the number of instances we got screwed by bryce on youtube?…

  it would help with catharsis.

• 371.Helen:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:05 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-364:

  Hennie, sorry bud, I am going to have to disagree with you on that.
  It was not a forward pass.

  Try should’ve been allowed, at least 3 penalties (one under the posts) should also have gone our way…. and Boks should be facing the kiwis this week.

• 372.hendrikp:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:06 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-366:

  I’ve watched it… and I agree that sometimes teams get away with it, but it’s still a forward pass.

• 373.Helen:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:07 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-368:

  Hennie, go do a coaching / playing / refereeing course.
  It is common knowledge and conventional wisdom.
  All passes will be forward if you were in charge

• 374.hendrikp:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:07 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-371:

  I agree with the penalties, but not with the forward pass. We got screwed by that useless referee, but he was within his rights to disallow that try.

• 375.NZINCHINA:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:08 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-340:

  Woodcock was so unfit in PE and Brisbane it was embarassing to watch, we gave the Frogs a big touch up earlier in the tourney, I’m hoping we go well in that area as I think its a potential weakness for Australia.

  @once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-346:

  The pack at Suncorp didn’t perform for a number of reasons Woodcock as above, Kaino didn’t play, Read went off injured, Thompson mangled his arm early in the game, Australia very rarely gets the better of NZ up front so I’m expecting that to continue at the garden of Eden.

• 376.Helen:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:11 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-372:

  Hennie, you disappoint me.
  You of all people, I’d expect to know this.
  I remember Naas commenting on it in the mid nineties and it being discussed by a ref on Botts n All about 10 years ago.

  This is not something that teams “get away with”, it is accepted practice and part of every ref’s training…. backline players for that matter too

• 377.>^..^< katman:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:15 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-372: No, then you don’t get it.

  It’s not getting away with it. It is perfectly legal. Those passes at the start of the vid – those are all rugby passes. That’s the way the game is and should be played.

  The only problem is, they ALL travel forward relative to the ground. And when the passer is stopped dead, the pass is called up. ALL the others are permitted, and rightly so.

  It’s virtually impossible to expect a ref to do the calculation in his head when a tackle occurs, but it is a serious flaw in the rules of the game. And no one will admit to it, or try to fix it, because it makes us uncomfortable.

  Like crooked feeds in the scrum, or the driving maul, or the quick tap/10m rule. These are all shaky parts of the game with regards to hard and fast, sensible laws. So we pretend all is cool and just carry on.

• 378.hendrikp:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:16 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-376:

  I guess I haven’t paid much attention to it.

  In any case, I thought it looked forward… which is reason enough for it not to be awarded. As soon as it happened I thought he was going to call it back.

• 379.Michael:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:16 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-376: “Botts”? ROFLMAO

• 380.Brigadier Van Zyl:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:17 pm

  @Nils(Nils)-354:

  yip, had we have had bryce, we’d have finished dead stone last.

  so you agree then?

  2010…it was all the praying like the pope that saved us.

• 381.malcolm:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:21 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-378: Pass was forward. Every pass when is leaves the hand will travel a little forward at first but if we are going to get too technical then let blow up every play or allow all forward passes and start playing gridiron. You are correct it was about a meter forward and about the only good decision the ref made.

• 382.pie eater:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:21 pm

  @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-375: Oz last beat the Blacks at Eden park in 1986. Given the Blacks superior forwards I can’t see them losing this time either, unless the Blacks talk themselves into losing that is.

  McCaw looks like he is definitely less than 100% and I suspect him playing has more to do with the national psychi and team well being then the impact he has on the game. My tip is the scrum to have a major impact and Blacks to win by more than 10.

• 383.once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more...:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:22 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-374:
  he wasn’t even in such a good position to make a call on it being forward to begin with, let alone the fact that it wasn’t one.

  @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-375:
  baited breath, sinokeewee…baited breath…
  we’ll be here sure as sunshine to dice n slice after the game.
  am hoping its a hammer n thongs cracker either way.

  aint you lucky you got an honest saffa blowin it…

• 384.pie eater:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:23 pm

  Anyone seen the u-tube skit about Bryce? Search on Bryce Lawrence, there is an excellent Hitler skit about Bryce’s refffing.

• 385.hendrikp:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:24 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-377:

  Ok fair enough. Can we call it a grey area?

• 386.>^..^< katman:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:24 pm

  @malcolm(malcolm)-381: I’ll post the link again. Watch it. It will probably question your belief in the backwards pass.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg

• 387.wallabie.:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:26 pm

  @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-129:

  Still feeling the pain?

  You blame bryce for the loss…how about the previous 5 snotklaps from the wallabies.

  Having a bevvy of women in your arms mean nothing if you dont how to use the god given biological insyrument in your pants.

  Ie…slow coach you have the ball many times but if you dont know what to do with it…you may as well give the ball to the opposition so you dont look silly with it.

• 388.bryce_in_oz:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:28 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-367:

  I never post on any blog without my IP Blockers… I own an investment forum… I’ve seen more internet nutters/spivs and crims than most have had hot dinners…

• 389.>^..^< katman:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:28 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-385: Hey, I’m not happy about it either. I used to be unshakeable about the notion of forward passes and forward momentum. But when you see the passes on the video that would NEVER in a thousand years get called in a game actually traveling not just a meter, but three or four meters forward, then you start to scratch your head. Lambie’s try pass only wen forward by about a meter, and in the context of most passes in the game travelling much further forward but not being called, then it makes you say Eish.

• 390.pie eater:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:30 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-386: Good video

• 391.hendrikp:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:34 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-389:

  Sort of makes me wonder, but at the same time I’m okay with it.

  Maybe the rule should be changed to “if it looks forward”, which that one did.

• 392.Heavens Game:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:39 pm

  @Transformation(Transformation)-358: LOL. Got a decent one for ExtraTwat….

  Hows this: amasimba lempukane

• 393.wallabie.:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:43 pm

  @Transformation(Transformation)-274:

  Has to be grounded against the post for it to be a try.

• 394.>^..^< katman:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:43 pm

  @hendrikp(hendrikp)-391: My point is, there are already way too many of those rules, where it is completely open to interpretation and whim. This video just pokes massive holes in what was actually a pretty solid part of the game. I mean, judging a forward pass has always been seen as far easier than judging when a tackler should release the player, when the tackled player should release the ball, when someone can go for the ball on his feet, when he should release, when the ball is up off the ground and when it is a proper ruck. All these things are penalties either way, not just a penalty or not to one team. It’s messy.

• 395.>^..^< katman:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:46 pm

  @wallabie.(wallabie.)-393: He’s not asking. He’s quoting that nonce, Black Pantie, who would have us believe you could touch the ball against the very top tip of the post to score. That is, until he realised he was being thick. And then he tried to pretend that he always said otherwise.

  We all know the ball has to be grounded. And, as of two days ago, so does Black Pantie.

• 396.hendrikp:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:50 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-394:

  Anyone arguing that it was a try, should ask themselves… when was it a try, and when was it a forward pass? How forward does it have to go before being called forward?

  Maybe it’s a flaw in the game. But all I ask is that Lawrence makes the calls to the best of his ability… by the book, and he did that by not awarding a try that looked like it had come from a forward pass, simple as that.

  I have a bigger problem with him not bothering with the breakdown laws.

• 397.pie eater:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:50 pm

  @wallabie.(wallabie.)-393: Something I failed to understand as I too thought under rule 22.4b that it was a try?!

  Grounded against a goal post. The goal posts and padding surrounding them are part of the goal line, which is part of in-goal. If an attacking player is first to ground the ball against a goal post or padding, a try is scored.

• 398.wallabie.:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:50 pm

  @bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-314:

  Marto is a queenslander…that is a start to trying to understand him.

  What is so funny about this guy is that he tells it like it is 5 % of the time the other 95% he does not take himself serious. Watched him tipping qld throughout the S15. Hilarious to watch!

• 399.Transformation:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:55 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-392: hehe

• 400.Transformation:
  13 Oct 2011, 16:56 pm

  @wallabie.(wallabie.)-393: thank you walla

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