KeoTV: Finals shootout
14 Oct 2011
MARK KEOHANE calls it for the Wallabies. RYAN VREDE says he’s dreaming.
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541 Comments
14 Oct 2011, 10:25 am
watch it on TV, Dragons…
14 Oct 2011, 10:31 am
You are both half right.
It will be a Aus vs Wales final
14 Oct 2011, 10:32 am
RWC 2011: Expert wants match-fixing probe
Fri, 10/14/2011 – 07:16 | by Editor
Sports professor Tim Noakes said Friday that he wants the International Rugby Board (IRB) to prove that the World Cup match between South Africa and Australia was not fixed.
Noakes said in an interview with the Cape Times newspaper that “he didn’t want to sensationalize anything”, but that South Africans needed to know the truth behind New Zealand referee Bryce Lawrence’s failure to issue a number of penalties in the match last Sunday.
South Africa dominated the game, but lost 11-9.
“When science is manipulated to produce a predetermined outcome, it’s called bent science,” said Noakes, who heads the University of Cape Town’s sports science department.
“Such science is usually directed by large commercial interests. When the outcome of a sporting event is predetermined, we call it match fixing.”
Noakes said he wasn’t saying there was match-fixing, but that it was up to the IRB “to prove there wasn’t”.
He said Lawrence’s inability to penalize illegal actions in at least three areas of the game could only be interpreted in one way, “that he (Lawrence) was benefiting personally by ensuring that the Wallabies would win the bent rugby match, the outcome of which was predetermined before the kick-off”.
One of the actions not penalized was at the breakdown, in which Australian flank David Pocock put his hands in the ruck, which is not allowed. There was also a neck charge and a high tackle which should have led to yellow cards being issued to the Australians.
“I think an injustice has been done and South Africa as a nation deserves the truth,” Noakes said.
“There was something wrong with that game. It seems it was predetermined. The question is who is benefiting from it.”
14 Oct 2011, 10:33 am
Vrede looks like an extra out of a Space Chimps remake
14 Oct 2011, 10:33 am
well, i can say this: one of you will be right and one will be wrong…
14 Oct 2011, 10:34 am
Ryan’s sunglasses are soooo weird!
14 Oct 2011, 10:35 am
Man for man the mighty All Blacks are better or at worst equal than the filthy Aussie Wobblies. Maybe and that is a big MAYBE at fly half. But Quade Blooper will not be a threat.
There will be celebrations on NZ on Monday as we gear up for a Dragon Eating final against the Welsh on the 23rd, while Aussie and France will play the game no one wants to play in.
14 Oct 2011, 10:41 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-3:
Just this morning, I soke to someon in the know who also claimed that this debacle deserves an investigation.
Must say, I was quite taken aback that someone would consider rugby to be dirty…. bit thinking about it now, why do we assume that there is no dirty money in rugby if there is such horrible corruption in cricket, cycling, soccer, etc
14 Oct 2011, 10:42 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-3:
Is Tim Noakes seriously expecting a sports organisation to be bound by the same burden of proof that is applied to science? Bear in mind that for years Einsteins theory of relativity was broadly held up as fact but now is seen as only a small part of a bigger picture.
The IRB dont have to prove anything and nor will they feel any need to.
Wales v AB final for once I agree with Ryan. By the way why hasn’t Keo given Ryan a Keo.co.za fleece?
14 Oct 2011, 10:43 am
Well Keo got the prediction right last week, so who knows. I just don’t think the rugby Gods can so cruel to NZ.
14 Oct 2011, 10:44 am
Tim Noakes alludes to Bryce being corrupted with dirty money.
This deserves a thread on its own.
Imagine the civil claims against IRB and Bryce if it proven true!
14 Oct 2011, 10:45 am
@JEZ(DEE DAH)-9: Jez. I think Noakes is getting too big for his boots. Aside from the fact that I’ve just never liked the guy. Who does he think he is!
14 Oct 2011, 10:47 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-3: Noakes is — as I have steadily maintained — a complete charlatan. And barking mad to boot.
Match-fixing? Where’s the “science’ in this latest nuttery, Noaksie?
14 Oct 2011, 10:47 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-12:
He has a point though.
There are no check and balances in place to make sure rugby is not corrupted.
It is a team sport, so very difficult corrupting players, but refs must be easy target for bookies.
Most other sports have had their share of dirty money. Are we being silly for expecting rugby to be cleaner than all other sports?
14 Oct 2011, 10:50 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-13:
The ‘science’ is clear.
Analyse any ref and you will see that over time, they consistently blow one way or the other and it becomes possible to ascertain their pparticular interpretation of the rules. Should they then blow a game that is inconsistent with their known pattern in a big way, then you have to investigate…. especially if it benefited only one team to the detriment of another
14 Oct 2011, 10:52 am
@JEZ(DEE DAH)-9:
It will be interesting to know whether the IRB has any processes in place to make sure that officials aren’t corrupted.
I suspect they don’t.
I can also see how a bookie might be tempted to approach a ref that is already vilified.
14 Oct 2011, 10:56 am
Noakes must be very careful with his statements. He is not comming accross as scientific, he is comming accross as bitter and emotional.
14 Oct 2011, 11:08 am
@Helen(Helen)-8: I am with you there on “this debacle deserves an investigation”.
I personally think the ref was just soft in the head for the QFs. How he could have been picked for a QF after his dismal performance in the Aus vs Ire is a reflection on how poor Paddy O’Brien and his ref selectors/assessors actually are.
On a more simple level, a question must be asked on why SH refs did not ref the NH side of the QFs and vice versa for the SH side.
The fact that there are now whispers of match fixing and corruption should spur the IRB into a full investigation of the match, Lawrence and his touch judges. These rumours may grow and taint this World Cup beyond redemption.
All thats needed is a disgraceful reffing episode like the Aus vs Bok QF and the AB’s vs France to be repeated in the Wales vs France Semi to really cause some mayhem.
If Joubert gives marginal decisions consistently the way of the AB’s then the die is cast.
Rolland and Joubert are going to be under a microscope this Weekend. Paddy O Brien and the IRB are to blame.
14 Oct 2011, 11:08 am
@Helen(Helen)-16: Must have been gut wrenching for you Helen..SA guy at my work still wont look up..
The Bryce conspiracy shows Bok’s supporter’s can be just as good whingers and sore loser as Kiwis.
14 Oct 2011, 11:10 am
@toby(toby)-19:
Toby, where in Aus are you?
14 Oct 2011, 11:13 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-17: He comes across that way because he IS that way. WYSIWYG
14 Oct 2011, 11:14 am
@Helen(Helen)-20: Huh? why do you want to know that…are you really KEO in disguise?
14 Oct 2011, 11:14 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-18:
Never before have there been even whispers of corruption in rugby.
The fact that it is a story that has evolved into more than just whispers, warrants action by the IRB.
Remember, bookies are being squeezed in every other major sport and are regulated and watched closely. I can see why they might target rugby as an easy sport to target.
If Hansie could fall prey, surely an inferior ref with an already shaky record, would make for easy pickings?
14 Oct 2011, 11:15 am
@toby(toby)-22:
Just curious, have plans to move to Aus soon…
14 Oct 2011, 11:16 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-18: The IRB should have nothing to hide and if rumours and outcry persist then they should be more than obliging to clear the air.
A question of Competence vs Corruption is a difficult one, and the outcome either way does not reflect well on a World Cup that has already been tainted by threats of a boycott of 2015 and by unfairness in rest times between matches for different teams.
This may get very serious. Not good for Rugby.
14 Oct 2011, 11:17 am
@toby(toby)-19:
Gut wrenching, yes?
Deep down inside, I didn’t ever think that we had what it took to go all the way this year. Then when the Boks played close to a perfect game and still lost, I felt a very different kinda depression to the one I had expected
14 Oct 2011, 11:19 am
Why is Vrede wearing 3D glasses?
14 Oct 2011, 11:20 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-25:
You commenting on your own posts now?
ET will have a field day with his split personality theory!
I agree, but think that at this level of refereeing, a ref would have to go through the ranks and prove himself to be competent. There is no way that you can ref a world cup qrt final if you are incompetent. Also, incompetence would’ve been better as it would’ve been equally to the detriment of both teams. Sunday was a one sided affair, so incompetence does not come into play.
14 Oct 2011, 11:21 am
@Caper(Caper)-27: Makes keo look taller I guess.
14 Oct 2011, 11:21 am
@Caper(Caper)-27:
Him and keo had just come out of a cinema.
They watch How to train your Dragon in 3D for inspiration before a vid cast.
14 Oct 2011, 11:25 am
@Helen(Helen)-23: See my post 25.
What we have here is a question of Competence vs Corruption. Either way, it is a fckup. How Paddy and his band could stuff so badly the selection of refs for the QFs is beyond any reasonable, logical mind.
- Why did SH refs not ref the NH games and Vice versa
- How did Lawrence get a QF after a self confessed mess of a game with Aus and Ire.
- English TV commentators were heard to question the fairness of Rolland in one of his games too.
But any rugby lover will prefer and forgive incompetence over corruption any day. The IRB may have to investigate before this really gets out of hand.
This World Cup is rapidly becoming one where it wont be remembered for the rugby but rather for the Refs if the IRB aren’t careful.
14 Oct 2011, 11:26 am
@Helen(Helen)-26: Yes it was the best game of the year..not because Bok’s lost but the intensity was great…I would be surprised if Saturdays game comes close to it..most likely one team will steam roll the other..very happy that Joubert is ref..hes definitely the best in the world
If AB’s lose Saturday I won’t feel as bad as previous years..but yeah it sucks
What makes you think I’m in OZ? just curious
14 Oct 2011, 11:27 am
I could just imagine how long Deb Robinson would last in her job or Mike Cron would have lasted the years he did if he had offered up comments like Tim Noakes has.
I assume there is a serious effort going on by SARU to distance theselves from this embarrassment.
14 Oct 2011, 11:28 am
@Helen(Helen)-28: Lol. Oh dear. You and me ***** Bells… Or me and me… or you and you… Fark we/I are/am confusing ourselves….
“Yeah you and me we can ride on a star
If you stay with me girl, we can rule the world”
14 Oct 2011, 11:28 am
What is the significance of choosing a kite flying ground for their vid cast?
Hmmmm….. are they trying to tell us something?
14 Oct 2011, 11:30 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-31:
You are claiming straight up that Lawrence took a bribe?
Troll
14 Oct 2011, 11:31 am
@Brads(Brads)-33: Why is it embarrassing? I think Noakes point: “Noakes said he wasn’t saying there was match-fixing, but that it was up to the IRB “to prove there wasn’t” is a legitimate point.
14 Oct 2011, 11:31 am
So South Africa claimed to been done by the ref and its corruption, yet in 2007 when the ABs lost where we believed we were done by the ref we were told to man up and we wernt good enough.
Two faced as if you ask me
14 Oct 2011, 11:32 am
@Brads(Brads)-36: Rubbish. I have not claimed that at all. The trolling is all yours fckface.
14 Oct 2011, 11:33 am
Ja, ek glo Morne Steyn was in op die deal! En John Smit ook, maybe Pienk Pietie ook.
Just one drop goal from Morne Steyn in 80 min, we were told drop goals/penalties win matches/World Cups, Springboks basically camping in the Aus 22, en hy het nie eers 1 keer probeer nie…hmm…
Springboks had 2 penalties in the Aus 22 and Fatty Smit decided to kick for touch…Tim Noakes is suur, maybe het hy geld op die bokke gehad!
14 Oct 2011, 11:36 am
@IOU(IOU)-40:
Hmmm am i getting better at read Afrikaans or and i getting worse at reading english?
You got me there IOU
14 Oct 2011, 11:41 am
Does any one else have problems playing KEO’S videos?
I have latest adobe updates…bloody annoying:(
Helen It really depends what you like…
If you like food then definitely Melbourne..but then they have AFL:(
If you like nightlife and shopping Sydney’s the place
If you like the beach with small city charm Brisbane is great…
14 Oct 2011, 11:42 am
What’s that thing flying around in the background?
Reyhan’s spaceship?
14 Oct 2011, 11:44 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-41: Laugh now, but you not going to like it much if your AB’s are crowned World Champs and the rest of the rugby world says “but it was fixed” for the next four years.
This is not just coming from Saffas either. I have read a couple of Aussie and English articles questioning the legitimacy of reffing before and after the QFs. I will also endeavour to read a few French articles too – I can almost guarantee there will be one.
If its not corruption then it clearly is incompetence – not just in the actual reffing but more in assessing, directives and assignment of refs to games…
14 Oct 2011, 11:47 am
I want to know from Tim Noakes if the last 6 matches against Aus and the last 5 matches against NZ was fixed as well?
14 Oct 2011, 11:50 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-38:
Hurri, 2007 was one decision, not a consistent, match-long, one sided stuff up with many, many, many decisions going against one team
14 Oct 2011, 11:51 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-43:
they were flying kites with that vid cast
14 Oct 2011, 11:51 am
It is not up to the IRB to prove that there was no corruption, it is up to those who are claiming that there is corruption to prove it.
I guess the next thing that we will hear is that JeandiV took a bribe to throw the forward (bent) pass to Lambie- or maybe Rossouw’s moment of insanity (bent moment) can also be blamed on Bryce—- and so on.
This whinging is now really becoming pathetic.
14 Oct 2011, 11:53 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-44:
HG i dont really care what everyone thinks.
Dude i am only having a laugh on here as it seems you especially is trying to find out what really happened and why you lost.
I will tell you like you told us in 2007, you were not good enough or you would have won.
14 Oct 2011, 11:54 am
@toby(toby)-42:
It will be Brisbane
Until a few weeks ago, Perth and Melbourne were on the shortlist though
14 Oct 2011, 11:55 am
@IOU(IOU)-45:
IOU, i reckon we should even go further back, i reckon the Cavaliers games were match fixed as well.
14 Oct 2011, 11:55 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-48: I sort of remember some very similar cowardly “sweep under the carpet” sentiments before the corruption scandal erupted in cricket.
Sweeping it under the carpet only makes things worse if or when the truth is discovered.
So fuckyouverymuch.
14 Oct 2011, 11:56 am
@Helen(Helen)-47:
Gives new meaning to “go fly a kite”
14 Oct 2011, 11:57 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-48:
In years to come this wolrd cup will be remembered as being the most unjust ever.
No matter who wins, it will be an empty victory with the winners always wondering if they were good enough to beat the boks
14 Oct 2011, 11:58 am
@Helen(Helen)-46:
Helen, it weas not one decision. There were many, I believe it was a world record with no penalties and free kicks in second half, maybe one of you can find if that claim was true.
There were a number of times where we were on the line and blatant hands in the ruck and we lose the ball.
But anyway lets move on.
14 Oct 2011, 11:58 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-52:
agree. even if it is just a vicious rumour, IRB need to act strongly, otherwise all future ref decisions will be under a cloud
14 Oct 2011, 11:59 am
Helen@46
No the ref did not penalize the French once in the second half if I remember correctly…
14 Oct 2011, 12:00 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-55:
c’mon, you can’t seriously compare 2007 with what happened on Sunday.
It was blatant and deliberate
14 Oct 2011, 12:00 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-49: Hold on chap, in my post 18 I state “I personally think the ref was just soft in the head for the QFs.”.
I have accepted the Boks lost, but I reckon it is cowardly in the extreme to just have a sweep it under the carpet attitude when the whole moral fibre of rugby is being questioned.
The whispers could only grow louder if the IRB dont do something.
14 Oct 2011, 12:02 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-52:
Why only now that we have lost?
What about all the other games even during previous tournaments?
Get real man, the only truth here is that the Boks lost.
Just accept it and get on with life.
14 Oct 2011, 12:04 pm
Bottom line is that this world cup has produced the most entertaining rugga of all previous RWC’s, but Sunday’s tragedy will forever be a black spot on the sport.
IRB need to act strongly and quickly to nip this in the bud…. we don’t want to see millions of people losing interest in the sport because refs’ integrity is being questioned.
14 Oct 2011, 12:04 pm
@Helen(Helen)-54: Yeah. What would you have said if the All blacks said the same of the 2007 world cup? That the winner should feel like a hollow victory, as they were robbed in the quarter final? Don’t be so dramatic.
14 Oct 2011, 12:06 pm
@Helen(Helen)-56: If this weekends games are blighted by some dubious ref calls then this is only going to magnify….
Wait until Aus are on the wrong side of the ref this weekend – whispers will blow up into a cacophony.
14 Oct 2011, 12:06 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-60:
Why was Hansie hauled before an inquiry?
Shouldn’t we have just said “oh well, it happens, get on with life”???
Sorry ZimRobber, your ignorance and child like naivete is so 90′s.
14 Oct 2011, 12:06 pm
@Helen(Helen)-54:
It will only be an empty win in the eyes of the non- winners I guess.
Do you then agree that the 2007 bok win was also empty in the sense that the team and all Saffers will always be wondering whether they were good enough to have beaten the AB’s/Aus?France etc?
14 Oct 2011, 12:07 pm
@Helen(Helen)-54:
Helen. In 2007 we knew we could beat the Boks but we lost against a team that we should not have.
Same thing as the Boks in 2011.
So do you think the 2007 was a hollow victory for the Boks?
14 Oct 2011, 12:07 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-37:
There in lies the issue.
Deb Robinson would last as long as it took to read her own dismissal letter if she uttered a comment like that outside of her area of expertise.
Seems odd to to me that you Saffas could accept Tim Noakes self appointed expert opinions as being anything other than drivel.
14 Oct 2011, 12:07 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-44: could be a square up for the 07 WC QF reffing debarcle,fair enough,better late than never.
14 Oct 2011, 12:08 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-63:
I don’t think we’ll quickly see such one-sided blindness again.
Refs will be on their best behaviour this weekend and tell the bookies to get knotted. There is just too much heat at the mo.
Remember, Sunday was not an instance of bad or incompetent reffing. It was deliberate, continuous, one sided, blatant and dramatic.
14 Oct 2011, 12:09 pm
@Helen(Helen)-64:
Because there was real evidence of corruption in Hansie’s case- he even admitted to it before the investigation properly started- You are naive if you want to compare it to the current situation.
14 Oct 2011, 12:09 pm
@Helen(Helen)-61: Lol when do the IRB ever act strongly and quickly on ANYTHING? other than trying to fine the boks for wearing armbands that is…
14 Oct 2011, 12:10 pm
Look all, i am on your side and believe the game is to much with the refs. They can just about call a team out of a game, not saying anyone has but the rules on alot of things can go either way.
It rubbish the way the Boks went out as was the ABs in 2007. But alot of the blame should be focused on your team, trust me i know
14 Oct 2011, 12:10 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-66:
Sure, it was a hollow victory. I agree.
I also agree you were robbed by INCOMPETENT refereeing in 2007.
My point is that last Sunday was clearly not due to incompetence, otherwise both teams could’ve benefitted at some stage of the game. It was much too in-your-face to be a ref skills issue
14 Oct 2011, 12:11 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-60: Chap, I was saying this after the France vs NZ match already.
I am commenting about the points Noakes raises. He takes a considerable reputational risk by making the points he does.
It is all too easy to write this thing off as “sour grapes”. This is more than just a couple of erratic decisions in one match – this is a pattern in the World Cup…
Either a pattern of incompetence or a pattern of corruption.
14 Oct 2011, 12:11 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-52: @Helen(Helen)-61: when James O’ Connor was to convert the try Horwill scored, JPP ran and “interfered” with the kick, o’connor subsequently missed. the laws state that a re-take should be given to the kicker and that didn’t happen.
was that part of the “conspiracy” or scheme?
14 Oct 2011, 12:12 pm
very embrabaoer from Dr Noakes.
He should stick to his area of expertise.
It’s one thing to say brycie is as useless as wheels on a fish its quite another to suggest (without the slightest bit of evidence) that he is a match fixer.
14 Oct 2011, 12:12 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-13: Careful now Tackles, he might come on here, pull down your spiderman undies and spank your bottom in front of everyone again, like last time
On the plus side, it does make you disappear for 6 months, so might not be a bad thing…..
14 Oct 2011, 12:12 pm
@Helen(Helen)-46: are you serious?not 1 penalty against the perfect french in the 2nd half,come on.
14 Oct 2011, 12:12 pm
@dermie(dermie)-68:
Why?
What did SA have to do in 2007 with the way Barnes reffed the game?
@Atreides(Atreides)-71:
You didnt see the Samoan boy get fined for wearing an incorrect mouth guard.
14 Oct 2011, 12:13 pm
@Helen(Helen)-64:
no they said that when mark waugh and shane hurley found to be taking bookies money.
14 Oct 2011, 12:14 pm
Helen@64
People in SA is bad losers! Helen show me proof of RWC match fixing…
What you have is a conspiracy theory, like Suzie!
Same thing happened to the AB in 2007.
14 Oct 2011, 12:14 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-70:
Zim Robber, as much as I would like to entertain your childish rants, I am not going to.
Don’t take it personally, I just think you are a p***
14 Oct 2011, 12:14 pm
@Helen(Helen)-73: Brisbane get’s pretty hot in the summer though..how come your leaving SA?
14 Oct 2011, 12:15 pm
@Helen(Helen)-73:
Helen, Bryce didnt ref the breakdowns or rucks.
If Brussow was on it would have been different and the Ozzies would have been complaining like you.
Both teams had a free go at rucks and mauls but after Brussow, SA are in trouble and Pocock just took you apart.
14 Oct 2011, 12:15 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-74:
Huge difference between a pattern of incompetence and a pattern of corruption.
14 Oct 2011, 12:15 pm
@IOU(IOU)-81:
Huh?
what are you trying to accuse me of?
all I am saying, is that these are noot normal whsipers. It needs to be nipped in the bud one way or another
14 Oct 2011, 12:16 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-85:
Sounds like you have experience in both?
Enlighten us
14 Oct 2011, 12:16 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-75: But is it not the right of a team to charge a conversion attempt… You make no sense.
14 Oct 2011, 12:17 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-75:
Oh yeah i forgot about that.
Thanks Trans, corruption nipped in the bud
14 Oct 2011, 12:17 pm
@Helen(Helen)-64:
He was guilty.
And I tend to think his admitting the guilt, even before the enquiry was held, is unhelpful to your argument.
14 Oct 2011, 12:17 pm
@toby(toby)-83:
Lotsa reasons.
Is been on the cards for a few years now.
Finally made a decision last month, getting paperwork ready now
14 Oct 2011, 12:17 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-79: sorry,good point.maybe the ref thought playing the wannabies would be an easier game?
14 Oct 2011, 12:18 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-88:
only when the kicker takes a step towards the ball, he didnt, he shou;d have been awarded another shot, its in the rules
14 Oct 2011, 12:18 pm
@Brads(Brads)-90:
Ja, I am geting tired of this argument and I probably don’t have grounds to claim corruption…. it just eases the pain somewhat.
14 Oct 2011, 12:19 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-85: Is that so? Are you sure?
As incompetent as a bowler in cricket bowling a no ball…?
Don’t be farken naive.
14 Oct 2011, 12:19 pm
@Helen(Helen)-82:
Who cares what you think- does it make you feel strong and powerful to swear at people on a blog- it only shows your lack of decency and an inability to counter arguments with facts.
14 Oct 2011, 12:20 pm
@dermie(dermie)-92:
but it wouldnt be.
I wanted to play the boks and beat you so we dont have people on here saying its a hollow victory to whoever wins it, as is whats happening right now.
14 Oct 2011, 12:20 pm
@Helen(Helen)-91: Wow you must be excited..hope everything go’s well for you.
14 Oct 2011, 12:20 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-76:
Paraplegic fish might not agree with you on that.
14 Oct 2011, 12:21 pm
@Brads(Brads)-67: Noakes expertise lies with Science of Sport.
Here’s a question: What expertise is actually required to either observe incompetence or corruption?
14 Oct 2011, 12:21 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-75: Was up to the aussies to object and request a re-take
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-74: Unfortunately law says you have to provide the evidence to prove your allegations..you can’t ask your opponent to disprove your allegation, that is fussy science!!
14 Oct 2011, 12:21 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-80:
If you think I battle to get rugby coverage in the nether regions of the Spanish mountains, you can imagine the impossibility of anything resembling willow on leather.
I believe the Aussies are in town and we managed to get crunched in a 20/20 job yesterday. What is the itinary and is there any action on this weekend??
Help!! from a drowning Bod
14 Oct 2011, 12:21 pm
@Helen(Helen)-94: just like suzy.
14 Oct 2011, 12:23 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-97: another one lawerence got wrong.
14 Oct 2011, 12:25 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-93: So plain incompetence… Maybe Lawrence is just plain, farken incompetent. This would actually be a relief.
But would love to know this:
- Why were SH refs not reffing the NH games and Vice versa?
- How did Lawrence get a QF with the Aussies when they questioned his competence in the Ireland game?
14 Oct 2011, 12:25 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-79: Hmmm and their perpetual bedfellows, the English, get off scot-free for blatantly cheating??
14 Oct 2011, 12:25 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-95:
If you reckon that incompetence and corruption are one and the same then I was naive enough to overestimate your intelligence.
14 Oct 2011, 12:25 pm
@dermie(dermie)-103:
nope not like suzy.In 1995 you could actually see some of the ABs being sick on the sideline.
Unlike the corruption theory, where there is no proof at all,just alot of sore and angry people
14 Oct 2011, 12:25 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-101: *fuzzy science*
14 Oct 2011, 12:26 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-108: fuzzy again…..yes shows signs of illness, but in no way proves they were deliberately poisoned….when are you guys going to see that one does not immediately lead to the other?
14 Oct 2011, 12:26 pm
@Helen(Helen)-94:
I can understand that.
Once the acute pain has worn down to just a nagging ache, it is likely you will start to consider other aspects of the game as being the reason for the loss rather than just the refs decisions or non decision.
14 Oct 2011, 12:26 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-88: the laws state that “no player of the team that has conceded a try may cross their try-line to prevent the conversion attempt until the kicker BEGINS his approach to the ball”
if there is an infringement of this rule and the kicker missed, the referee is OBLIGED to allow another conversion attempt!
14 Oct 2011, 12:27 pm
@dermie(dermie)-104:
yep, i said he didnt ref at all that well, and i another one.
But corruption and match fixing seems a bit much for me,especially not one piece of evidence
14 Oct 2011, 12:28 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-101: The IRB is not an opponent. The IRB “runs” the game of Rugby.
Rugby is in the process of being tarnished.
I was talking about the incompetence of refs in games SA was not even playing in.
I remember having a discussion with I think Fantasticbarnsmell late one night about refs and even having the possibility of two refs in a game because the modern game of rugby might even have become too fast for one ref to officiate fairly or properly.
14 Oct 2011, 12:28 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-101: no!
the rules state: if there is an infringement of this rule and the kicker missed, the referee is OBLIGED to allow another conversion attempt!
14 Oct 2011, 12:29 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-110:
Correct, we were not poisoned deliberatly, i am with you there. But we were sick, again the proof is there. Where is the proof for amtch fixing and corruption.
I think Wales should complain to after the first game, they were robbed as well.
14 Oct 2011, 12:29 pm
Helen@86
As far as I can see/read, I am not accusing any one of anything.
It is a conspiracy theory…so, please show us proof of RWC match fixing.
I can show you bad decisions by the Springbok “captain”(2), Morne Steyn, a Jean De Villiers forward pass, and a F du Preez knock on
that cost the Springboks the match, do you think they were in on the deal??
14 Oct 2011, 12:30 pm
Laughable, utterly, truly laughable. Now the game was fixed so that the Ausies won? I am just as annoyed as the next person with Bryce, but making him out as more than a bumbling fool who was way our of his depth in this game, is pathetic. He is a plank of the highest order and should not have been blowing this game after his poor effort in the Aus / Ire game.
The fact that the Boks also transgressed at the breakdown without sanction shows how pathetic this “match fixing” line of thought is now. I have always had respect for Tim Noakes, but I believe I have now lost it, all of it.
14 Oct 2011, 12:30 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-112: And on balance, you think the game was reffed incompetently then?
So the game was not tainted by corruption in any way, but rather blatant incompetence…
Well, thats a huge farken relief.
14 Oct 2011, 12:30 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-114: well then, ask the IRB to get Paddy O’Brien to explain or improve on the shoddy decision-making! demanding that the IRB prove that no match-fixing occured is ridiculous.
14 Oct 2011, 12:31 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-114: Bud I agree the reffing standards need to be looked at urgently. But you can’t make an allegation of that seriousness with no concrete proof, and then demand that the people you are accusing prove themselves innocent. Doesn’t follow.
@Transformation(Transformation)-115: And if the aussie captain had objected he prob would have got his retake. But yea, another instance of his incompetence
14 Oct 2011, 12:31 pm
@Brads(Brads)-111:
Keeping in mind that I am writing from the world’s crime capital at the moment.
Everything is corrupt until proven otherwise.
14 Oct 2011, 12:32 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-116: yep. see 121
14 Oct 2011, 12:32 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-106:
For sure, there was bit said over here about the English cheating. That is terrible and they did really get off scot free
14 Oct 2011, 12:33 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-119: Yes & No… Yes the game was officiated in a poor manner and NO, it is no relief!
14 Oct 2011, 12:34 pm
@dermie(dermie)-68:
no dermie, a saffa ref would never do that to the all blacks, or the wallabies for that matter.
what happened here was wrong and it was done by a new zealander.
14 Oct 2011, 12:35 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-107: I don’t say that they are the same… We were talking patterns, no?
And now you start talking intelligence. Clearly I have overestimated yours. But I wont underestimate your capacity to be a idiotic coward who wont ask questions for fear of being labelled a “sore loser”.
14 Oct 2011, 12:35 pm
@Helen(Helen)-122:
lol
So i apologise then Helen. You have every right to demand what you think
14 Oct 2011, 12:35 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-125: Well, your point then?
14 Oct 2011, 12:35 pm
What happened with that wager between Kitch and someone else on here?
Kitch was supposed to wear an SA flag and whistle Nkosi Sikilela through his po epop if the English crashed.
And crashed they did, like a Bellville Uno driver on tik
14 Oct 2011, 12:35 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-76: Yes, it is entirely possible that he fixed this match by accident.
14 Oct 2011, 12:36 pm
This WC hasn’t lived up to expectations. Its been dull. I always said that the WC is the cup that counts but not anymore. The refs have way too much influence on games, I’m convinced the IRB wanted to make sure Boks don’t win because of the 4 years of PR damage pdivvy did. I’m also 100% sure France won’t win WC because of the off field drama. I’m all rugby’d out at the moment *sigh*
14 Oct 2011, 12:37 pm
in the tri-nations match in PE, TMO Meuwesen over-stepped the protocols and offered his opinion on something that happened in play when the protocols don’t allow him to do that…new zealand lost the game. i don’t recall even a hint of “corruption” or “match-fixing” being suggested by saffas.
14 Oct 2011, 12:38 pm
@Bod(bod)-102:
hola
we are playing the convicts again on saturday. followed by some ODI’s and then only two tests. personally I would have sacrificed the ODI’s for antother test.
a two test series is a waste of time.
boys looked very ring rusty.
hopefully that will improve. If you have decent interweb you can probably pick it up.
lord knows if that lobotmised gibbon extraball can manage it, then it can’t be too hard.
14 Oct 2011, 12:38 pm
@Bod(bod)-102: “in the nether regions of the Spanish mountains…”
Whatever you’re doing there in Spain, Boderick, that’s your own business. I won’t judge you. Just wear protection.
14 Oct 2011, 12:39 pm
Nee mense. Match fixing allegations are just pathetic and tragic. C’mon you cannot be serious. The ref made some bad calls, and the Boks lost. Finish en klaar. Let it go.
14 Oct 2011, 12:39 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-129: your call for an investigation into possible match-fixing is misguided, at worst idiotic
14 Oct 2011, 12:39 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-131:
indeed.
that’s usually how I fix my washing machine.
14 Oct 2011, 12:40 pm
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-126: yeah and barnes was english,so?
14 Oct 2011, 12:40 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-133:
Yeah that was a dissapointing day
14 Oct 2011, 12:40 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-131:
The way they played, I think there were two bookies competing for this match to be thrown.
The Wallabies did their best to lose the game, but Bryce’s bookie paid top dollar for an Ausie victory
14 Oct 2011, 12:41 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-133: Yeah and that was even more blatant. Also the TMO was a saffa, with a saffa team on the pitch. Maybe the IRB should investigate him too huh.
Dirty cheathing Meuwessen
14 Oct 2011, 12:42 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-114:
I will tell you what I find amazing.
Comments by Saffas over the game between NZ and Aus and how Craig will favour, not favour or what ever one side or the other.
Only a Saffa would think along these lines.
Nothing to do with him being a South African, you would still throw up your thoughts the same way if he were English.
What it tells me is you do not conceivce of the idea that teams should adapt to the ref, and that the international rugby community is not populated by a vast pool of homogeneous on field officials.
14 Oct 2011, 12:42 pm
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once mo@NoRugbyGuru_0_(RugbyGuru_0_)-132: we’ll your on the wrong site then.
14 Oct 2011, 12:43 pm
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-126:
So, we were ripped of in the PE test by a South African TMO. IN fact that lost us the 3 nations.
Surely you cant keep going down the corruption and match fixing road.
14 Oct 2011, 12:43 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-115: don’t forget the guy is incompetent, he would not even have been alive to that rule.
14 Oct 2011, 12:44 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-135:
Thanks Bud
Working on the old mtb trails and upping my Greg Minnaar skills, so protection I do have aplenty… knee guard, elbow guard, chest guard…
Toss…
14 Oct 2011, 12:45 pm
@NoRugbyGuru_0_(RugbyGuru_0_)-132:
Whats the bet if the Boks had won that day your post would look somewhat different to say the least
14 Oct 2011, 12:45 pm
Looks like bias against South Africa runs in the Lawrence family:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=4302
14 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-127:
IThe problem is that people like you only ask questions when your team lose but choose not to be so “fearless” if you win and therefore you have no credibility as far as I am concerned.
14 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm
Helen@86
As far as I can see/read, I am not accusing any one of anything.
It is a conspiracy theory…so, please show us proof of RWC match fixing.
I can show you bad decisions by the Springbok “captain”(2), Morne Steyn, a Jean De Villiers forward pass, and a F du Preez knock on
that cost the Springboks the match, do you think they were in on the deal??
14 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-134:
Que tal?
Agree on the test thing… I must be one of the few that can still sit and watch every ball of each of the 5 days of a test.
Unfortunately this is the nether regions of Spain, where dial up is still orgasmic..
14 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-146: Big Hit, I am not defending Bryce, just curious. Did you put the boot in on Wayne Barnes too when he farked up the France v Ab’s quarter final in Cardiff in 2007?
14 Oct 2011, 12:47 pm
Unlike Cricket, it is hard for individual team members in Soccer or Rugby to influence spreads of a game or bettable incidents in game other than the goalkeeper for soccer or the kicker in rugby. However, in both Soccer and Rugby there is one player on the field who can really influence bettable outcomes of a game: The ref.
Now, in Soccer there have been many reffing corruption scandals. In rugby there are yet to be, to my knowledge. Which begs the question – are refs in rugby of much higher moral fibre than in soccer. If anything, they can have more of an influence on outcomes of games than refs in soccer yet we are all naive enough to think that the unthinkable may not happen in Rugby. Corruption scandals have happened in all major sports from Baseball, NFL, to Soccer. Athletics too. Rugby is now a major sport. And we think it cant happen.
Noakes has let a big farken cat out of the bag
14 Oct 2011, 12:48 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-145:
The whole game is corrupt.
Corrupt, I tell ya.
It is rotten from the top down.
Luis Luyt is still sitting behind the scenes pulling strings and sending out gold watches by DHL from Ballito.
I don’t have proof, but I have access to a pre-match recorded message from Oregan to Victor saying “the big man is on your side brutha!”
Who is bigger than Louis??? with tears in my eyes, I ask you!
14 Oct 2011, 12:48 pm
@Helen(Helen)-130: francois lost the bet and disappeat like a doos.
14 Oct 2011, 12:49 pm
So let me get this straight:
1. JPP started to chase down the conversion before O’Connor (“JO”) took a step towards the ball.
2. JO stood his ground and did not move.
3. JPP realised that he had commenced his run prematurely and ceased his attempt to charge down the kick (otherwise he would have run up and picked up the ball).
4. JPP therefore ran past JO towards the half way line to get out of the way of the kick to come.
5. JO collected himself, then kicked the ball.
6. JO missed.
Are you saying that in this instance the ref should have blown his whistle and ordered another, second kick at the posts? [even after JO was afforded the opportunity to collect himself and take the kick when there was no illegal pressure or hindrance in front of him?]
I haven’t come across this rule before – hopefully someone will be able to clear it up for me.
14 Oct 2011, 12:50 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-153:
lol
BH went out and bought a picture of Barnes and put it on his bedroom ceiling.
14 Oct 2011, 12:50 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-154:
Bryce’s performance aside, I think you have a valid point.
As always, your wisdom is exceeded only by your stunning good looks and ability to open a can of tuna with your toes.
14 Oct 2011, 12:50 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-3:
“Noakes said he wasn’t saying there was match-fixing, but that it was up to the IRB ‘to prove there wasn’t’.”
Would be interesting to hear how Noakes thinks one should go about proving a negative. Far as I can see, if Noakes reckons the match was fixed by, say, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, then the burden of proof falls on him.
Or as Tackler puts it: Where’s the “science’ in this latest nuttery, Noaksie?
14 Oct 2011, 12:50 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-153: only the Kiwis thought WB ‘farked up’, from what I read most rugby fans everywhere are in agreement on Lawrence.
14 Oct 2011, 12:51 pm
@Helen(Helen)-155:
lol classic post Helen.
14 Oct 2011, 12:51 pm
..Looks like bias against South Africa runs in the Lawrence family:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=4302
14 Oct 2011, 12:52 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-137: Its not my call. I am commenting on what Noakes seems to say. See my last post and try not be a naive, stupid yarpie.
@Robzim(Robzim)-150: But its not just “people like me”, as I stated earlier I was questioning the competence of refs long before the Boks lost, and I wasn’t the only one.
Now wipe the **** from your eyes and stop being a weak, spineless little individual.
14 Oct 2011, 12:52 pm
@Bod(bod)-147:
chest guard?
you mean a sports bra?
14 Oct 2011, 12:52 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-161:
Big ***, howz it hanging?
14 Oct 2011, 12:54 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-157: Ahem. Thank you Woodman.
But we there are weak individuals here who are too cowardly to ask questions.
14 Oct 2011, 12:54 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-161:
Dont talk cr@p, you know he was out of his league.
Anyway BH you might be able to these claims of corruption in the IRB and answer this.
How did the English team get out of blatant cheating on the field and only get a slap on the hand?
Have some of these guys got a point?
Its not the first time, remember in 2003 in think England had fielded 16 players against Samoa and got away with it. Does the english get away with cheating yet samaon player get fined big time for wearing a mouth guard.
14 Oct 2011, 12:55 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-165: You have no idea how painful the Bod-flop can be.
14 Oct 2011, 12:55 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-164:
Don’t try to argue with Robzim.
Eventually your frustration will force you to rip his arm off and beat him to death with the blo ody stump.
14 Oct 2011, 12:56 pm
@Helen(Helen)-159: Thanks sweetie…
I am not too partial to excessive bleeders though 
14 Oct 2011, 12:56 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-154:
Noakes has no bag, and no cat…he is guessing/speculating and so are you.
14 Oct 2011, 12:56 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-165:
No… I mean chest guard and the comments that keep on floating in about the physical resemblance to Conan
14 Oct 2011, 12:57 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-157: The rule in that instance is quite simple, James O’Conner would have been allowed to take a second attempt, if he requested to do so, the ref does not have to get involved. JO maybe did not know about this or felt he did not need to go for it again.
Even though JPP charged prematurely and just ran past, and JO had time to recover and line up his kick. He is still allowed to ask for another attempt. He didn’t…so its his own fault.
14 Oct 2011, 12:57 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-168:
The Samoans deserve to be punished for wearing mouth guards.
Real cannibals eat without mouth guards.
14 Oct 2011, 12:59 pm
Match fixing. WOW. Never,
I remember the moment vividly. It was April 2000.
The radio DJ broke the news whilst I was driving on the M3 to town…. Indian police have been recording Hansies telephone calls and they have evidence of match fixing.
No never that impossible not Hansie.
14 Oct 2011, 13:00 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-171:
Speaking of which, I am sitting in a 4 inch thick puddle of period juice.
Had to put a ‘wet floor’ sign up in the Edgars fittings room
14 Oct 2011, 13:00 pm
@Helen(Helen)-170: It is no argument now. He is just attempting to shut down any questions… Its also convenient because he was one of the falsefks who were convinced the Boks would lose to Aus before the game was played any way.
He has arbitrarily questioned my intelligence whereas I call his moral fibre into question with reason.
14 Oct 2011, 13:00 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-168: three England players have been fined for not wearing the correct mouthguard, Moody, Tuilagi and Lawes
The ‘ball-switching’ happened against Romania-B who lost by 50 points, two coaches were banned, what did you want to happen? points docked? big fine? bear in mind they were all official match balls, wtf does it really matter…similarly the 16 men on the field for 15 seconds, come on, grasping at straws.
Also, Barnes is a world class ref, commonly considered one of the very best even by NZers (of course under the guise that he has improved, but still it is acknowleged, Lawrence is one of the worst.
14 Oct 2011, 13:00 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-176:
You would think these South African would have learnt from that but to throw a RWC QF, i think HG is onto something
14 Oct 2011, 13:03 pm
@Bod(bod)-152:
Indeed.
The interweb connection at Estancia Gunther near Figueres is neolithic.
As the french say, Africa begins at the Pyrenees.
14 Oct 2011, 13:03 pm
@Bod(bod)-173: Conan the Bra-wearer?
14 Oct 2011, 13:05 pm
@IOU(IOU)-172: Speculating he may be. But he makes some valid points and asks some questions… But he is not the only one.
I quote an Aussie reporter earlier on in the tournament:
“For the sake of some clarity on this matter, the IRB created a ruling in RWC 1999 that referees not control matches in World Cup tournaments where the winner of the match is likely to play their next match against the home union of that referee.
This is a slightly complicated way of wording the ruling but in effect it means that Lawrence should NOT be handling the Australia-South Africa because there is a strong possibility the winner of that match will play the All Blacks who are favoured to beat the Pumas.
This same ruling should apply to the TMO of the NZ – Argentina match: and to all the assistant referees listed in my article.
If anyone thinks that many of the critical decisions regarding referee appointments and other rulings (for instance the tap with a feather for England over the Ballgate matter) are not decided on to favour the political/national/rugby interests of the powerful northern hemisphere nations, which have the voting power on the IRB, they do not understand the nature of the IRB beast.”
Following which, I speculate that you are the dumbck yarpie type Paddy O Brien was talking about “getting” in his email a few years back.
Naive apologist.
14 Oct 2011, 13:05 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-180:
HG is a genius.
She is prepared to say what needs to be said without fear or favour.
Why is the thought of corruption in rugby such a preposterous idea?
People are people, no matter what sport they play.
Rugby has never had a cloud over it, so it makes sense that the bookies target a ‘soft’ sport with no scrutiny
14 Oct 2011, 13:06 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-169:
Oh dear.
I am imagining muffin topped shaped indentations up and down rural spain.
before long the hinterland will resemble a baking tray at Mugg and Bean.
14 Oct 2011, 13:06 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-179:
OH thats ok then, it was the Romanian B team, lucky it wasnt the A team.
They cocahing were not allowed at the games for a week, is that right?
Isnt that 1 game.
Cheating should have been banned and sent home, cheating no matter what way you look at it.
16 men on the field,still you say 15 seconds i say 1 minute does not matter.
16 men should never be on the field.
But i with you on the Barnes. He has inproved and really is a top ref. Has his bad ones but not as bad as Brycie
14 Oct 2011, 13:07 pm
@Helen(Helen)-184:
She?
14 Oct 2011, 13:07 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-183:
Hmmmm…
I doubt whether a ref would throw a game out of patriotism.
Money, yes, but not patriotism
14 Oct 2011, 13:08 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-187:
Huh?
14 Oct 2011, 13:09 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-186: if we were to send every team home for cheating the ABs would never play another test
14 Oct 2011, 13:09 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-190:
lol
yeah i know you would BH
14 Oct 2011, 13:10 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-186:
What’s wrong with 16 players on the field???
Sunday, we played against 16 players and no-one complained.
14 Oct 2011, 13:10 pm
@Helen(Helen)-189:
You said HG was a she
14 Oct 2011, 13:11 pm
@Helen(Helen)-192:
lol
You actually played against 23 players but who is counting
14 Oct 2011, 13:12 pm
@Helen(Helen)-188: Its another point of view. And also reinforces my point that it is not just sour-grapes from us dumfck “yarpies”.
I shall trawl the web for some articles questioning refs from reporters/pundits of other nationalities.
One thing is for sure, this reffing issue is not good for rugby, and it requires just one more reffing debacle in a World Cup filled to the brim of them, to really blow up in the faces of the IRB and the RWC organisers.
14 Oct 2011, 13:13 pm
@Helen(Helen)-189:
You said … HG was a “she” so Hurricane said … “she”?
Keep up girl
14 Oct 2011, 13:14 pm
I used to watch a lot of cricket. All of the SA games, at least
Since he Hansie debacle I have only watched one game and that was at the stadium.
If rugby proves to be dirty, I would probably never watch another game.
Nothing spoils a game more than corruption
14 Oct 2011, 13:14 pm
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-174:
J’OC has said as much yesterday… if it happened again he would definitely take the kick again… it happened against Russia too…
14 Oct 2011, 13:14 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-196:
you saying HG is a boy??
14 Oct 2011, 13:17 pm
Comments from David Campese, an Aussie:
“The whole World Cup, it’s been interesting. There were so many forward passes that were let go and all the time no crackdowns – tackling with no shoulders, no arms, and it’s all let go. You’ve just got to play the referee.”
Campese added there was no consistency in the control of scrums and breakdowns either.
“You saw some scrums right through the tournament that collapsed once and it’s a penalty, and you saw other games where it’s collapsed three or four times,” he said.
“You’ve got to realise it’s 800kg of men packing in. The thing is the referees have never packed in a scrum in their life – like me… so sometimes it’s a lottery.
“That shouldn’t be the case. The referees are there to ref, not for the world to watch the ref.
“If two countries play, then someone in the middle has got to control it, but the best referee is the one you don’t know who’s reffing.”
14 Oct 2011, 13:17 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-183: “Paddy O Brien was talking about “getting” in his email a few years back.” did Paddy O’Brien write the “get the Yarpies” email? :schock:
14 Oct 2011, 13:17 pm
Rugby Union propably has the most complicated rules imaginable.
The players, media and supporters don’t even understand the rules half the time. The NH and SH refs interpret them differently and rules get changed ever year.
I’m sure that half of Rassies time was spent examining how BL would interpret the game.
So for a ref to get away with blowing according to what the bookies say is not far fetched.
Even Panty thinks that if you touch the ball against the top padding of the post it’s a try.
14 Oct 2011, 13:18 pm
@Helen(Helen)-199: HellsBells, HG does not sit when he wees, are we clear?
14 Oct 2011, 13:19 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-203:
lol
14 Oct 2011, 13:20 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-195:
If I were the IRB, I would do this investigation properly.
Get Joost and Amor to set a honey trap for Bryce and allow Quade to steal his laptop to check his bank accounts.
N
14 Oct 2011, 13:21 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-183:
Ag shame HG. Really…name calling? Ooo…you convinced me.
If Tim Noakes and a Aus reporter says so it must be true!
Lawrence must be a real dumb *** letting the tri-nation champs play against the all blacks…
14 Oct 2011, 13:22 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-202: “Even Panty thinks that if you touch the ball against the top padding of the post it’s a try.”
tl tl tl
14 Oct 2011, 13:22 pm
@Helen(Helen)-205:
I think you should look more in your backyard.
Have a look at FDPs, Moenie and PDV accounts, i am sure its all there to see
14 Oct 2011, 13:23 pm
Oh no.
Another interweb divorce.
He thought she thought that she was a he-she.
14 Oct 2011, 13:23 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-207: I thought you would like that one.
14 Oct 2011, 13:24 pm
From Paul Rees of the Guardian:
“The initial, erroneous message from organisers on Sunday night was that the television match official did not have the authority to rule on kicks, but that was rectified within 12 hours and all officials will be reminded this week that if they are unsure whether a kick is good, the referee should call on the television match official.
The Hook kick was, in one sense, a side-issue. There were deeper concerns about officiating in the opening games. Before the start of the tournament, the International Rugby Board’s director of referees, Paddy O’Brien, told referees and coaches there were five key areas where consistency of application would be demanded.
The third involved mauling. “The ball-carrier in a maul,” said O’Brien, “must be available to be tackled by the defending team.” So when England, trailing by six points, kicked a penalty to touch and then drove the lineout, why was Dylan Hartley allowed to carry the ball behind the rest of his forwards?
There was no way an Argentina defender could get to him within the laws. The referee Bryce Lawrence had penalised England for doing something similar in the first half, so why not when the game was at a crucial stage? England were allowed to go on and set up the base from which Ben Youngs scored the try that gave the 2007 beaten finalists a lead they were not to lose.
What is the point of issuing directives if they are ignored at key moments? And why is it that underdogs tend to be the victims? Upsets were threatened over the weekend, but not one materialised.
Some underdogs blew up but others were blown up. Argentina conceded seven penalties in the final quarter of their game against England and were awarded none. Wales were liberally supplied with penalties in the opening hour of their game against South Africa, but only one in the final 20 minutes of a game that ended when Mike Phillips was scragged as he went to pick up the ball from a ruck and the Springboks helped themselves.
Upsets help make a tournament, but they will remain rare in World Cups until laws and directives are applied equally to all. Argentina defeated France in the 2007 opener not least because the referee Tony Spreadbury did not buckle to pressure and spray the hosts with penalties in the final 10 minutes. And what happened to him for the rest of the tournament?”
This questioning of refs was happening long before QFs. Will look for some French articles
14 Oct 2011, 13:26 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-211:
The Guardian?
not that leftie Polly Toynbee loving douche of a rag?
surely you can do better?
14 Oct 2011, 13:26 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-211:
You go girlfriend!
I am with you on this….. but with my bleeding and all, I am feeling a little weak today.
14 Oct 2011, 13:27 pm
Just a comment from left-field. A punch or eye-gouge etc are frowned upon and that it outlawed and citings, hearings and suspensions…but it hardly sways the course of a match.
Cheating at the breakdown with video-evidence is seen as some special skill and applauded. – and it’s concequence is much more serious to the game.
I equate it to a common thief caught steeling a cellphone – he is branded a low-life, but the financial manager filtering company money to the personal account is somehow deemed to be a classier act – almost admirable
Surely, illegal play should be cited as is the case with dirty play?
14 Oct 2011, 13:34 pm
Keo, what are the chances of getting Bryce on here as a guest blogger?
14 Oct 2011, 13:37 pm
@Helen(Helen)-213: Did you bang your knee or something?
14 Oct 2011, 13:39 pm
Hopefully most of us are over the whole Bryce Lawrence saga. But i think i have a kind of system that could reduce the amount of mistakes, (intentional or not).
After every game, the referee’s performance needs to reviewed thoroughly. If there is clear evidence of a mistake that should have easily been picked up by the ref, he should be fined, a certain amount taken off his match fee, depending on the importance of the decision.
Not saying he should be fined for every single mistakes, as even the best refs in the world will have one or two tough calls where its 50-50. But fine him on really bad calls, i.e. Not calling a clear forward pass, or a high tackle, players entering ruck time from the side and so on.
Not saying its something that will work, but it certainly may help in reducing bad decision making. Just a thought.
14 Oct 2011, 13:41 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-212: I have quoted from the Torygraph too.
14 Oct 2011, 13:41 pm
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-216:
No, menstruating.
The place is a mess. I have left a trail all the way from the Edgars fittings rooms to Mugg & Bean smoking section.
They have now gotten one of those cleaning lady sweeping behind me…
M&B manager has now brought me a complimentary poppy seed muffin to help stem the flow….
14 Oct 2011, 13:44 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-218:
Gunth, it seems you have finally scared Langers away.
It’s a pity, coz I miss him.
14 Oct 2011, 13:47 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-211: we were discussing this long before the QF, with the 2 ref idea… looks like the ref issue has come up again in a big way
was Tim Noakes waering a tinfoil hat on his head during that interview? the bottom line is that Lawrence is just a bad referee, everyone knew this before the game and this one is no exception. if there was bias, it was probably because he got so much flack for pinging the aussies in the ireland pool game that he subconsciously was giving them the benefit of the doubt, maaybe at a stretch. no fixing though or serious bias, he’s just bad and it was not our day
14 Oct 2011, 13:47 pm
@Helen(Helen)-213: Farksakes, when are you not “on”… It seems “that time of the month” is the whole month for you.
14 Oct 2011, 13:56 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-221: Yup it truly has.
But what Noakes does do, whether everyone likes it or not, is raise the question of corruption.
Are we so sure that Rugby is incorruptible…
- from citings
- to designation of refs to matches
- to actual reffing of matches ranging from inconsistent to incompetent
I reckon we have got to start opening our eyes.
14 Oct 2011, 13:58 pm
@Helen(Helen)-219: Mother Mary, that’s one hellavu description…gonna take me a while to digest……I feel queasy
14 Oct 2011, 13:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-222:
Tell me about it girlfriend!
I am bleeding like a bus accident today.
M&B manager is so sweet, he’s put a bucket under my chair.
He’s a cutie also, I think he likes me *wink wink*
14 Oct 2011, 13:59 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-221: Hope it’s not. Cricket suffered because of it.
But BL didn’t ask JS to go for the line out when we were in kickable range early on and he also didn’t ask JDV to pass the ball forward etc. etc….
14 Oct 2011, 14:01 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-223: i would agree with that… we do presume rugby is not corrupt even though there are some odd happenings from time to time, so it doesn’t hurt to question things, just the timing makes it seem like he’s butthurt about us getting knocked out, even though he might raise a valid question
14 Oct 2011, 14:02 pm
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-224:
“digest”???
That is sick.
14 Oct 2011, 14:03 pm
@Helen(Helen)-225: Hellsfarkenteeth…. What happens when the flow stops… Krusty?
14 Oct 2011, 14:08 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-229:
Had to shove another poppy seed muffin up there now.. Had to pay for this one, so will have to rinse it later and treat my man to a dessert tonight
What a day! Today is really bad. I am bleeding like a dogfight in an abatoir!
Yes, I pick the crusties off when I wake up in the monring. Sometimes have to use a fork.
14 Oct 2011, 14:11 pm
NZs are rugby mad…some rich sheep farmer probably payed Bryce a small fortune to stop the boks facing the ABs. Lets face it, they would rather play Auz than the boks…
O and Helen, you are being very distasteful and gross. THis is a rugby blog ffs. P*ss off.
14 Oct 2011, 14:14 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-227: Yes, but it is very easy to sweep things under the carpet on account of “sour grapes”… And it is not just reffing, what about citing etc
The Aussies were magnificent on defence and Pocock was undoubted Man of the Match.
But lets look at some “patterns” in this World Cup:
- Refs assigned games where their country may face whoever wins in the next game or may benefit from one of the countries losing.
- IRB going against its own directives on assignment of refs for games.
- Barmy decisions in many games.
At least incompetent, thats for sure. Corrupt? I don’t want to believe it and I think the IRB has a responsibility to assure everybody this is not the case.
14 Oct 2011, 14:14 pm
@Jeez(Jeez)-231:
What is so disgusting about a normal human condition?
Is it because it is a woman suffering that you turn on your se xist charm?
14 Oct 2011, 14:15 pm
@Helen(Helen)-230: Sheezus… Nearly chundered.
14 Oct 2011, 14:18 pm
@Helen(Helen)-233: why do woman have babies and periods?because they deserve it.now p**s off.
14 Oct 2011, 14:20 pm
@Jeez(Jeez)-231:
I wanted the Bokke, once your forwards are taken out of the game you have nothing else really , Genia can bust a game open from anywhere the Bokke don’t have that type of player
Helen please leave you’re f ucked in the head.
14 Oct 2011, 14:21 pm
@Helen(Helen)-230: We all get it. You’re controversial and shocking.
14 Oct 2011, 14:22 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-232:
you were whining all through the S15 about refs as well
14 Oct 2011, 14:24 pm
This is exactly why there aren’t more women on this blog.
Absolutely no respect or sensitivity for the unique and precious female bodily processes
14 Oct 2011, 14:25 pm
For the maggot life the tag team enthusiatically flourish in, that life in chunks of coagulated blood would be so more enriched to the point of seeming to be Paradise.
There is still to be found much proteins and its precursor amino acids, there is much carbohydrates and its monomers of glucose and some fructose and galactose, there are many fats and even fatty acids, there are other fuels like lactic acid(for heart) and incompletely metabolised fatty acids for beta oxidation BUT most importantlly for them there is NO stench yet to deal with.
Why then would the HG team want to continue to exist in the cow-dung pat when it could live it up in their new coagulated Paradise, even of lies and delusion and no credibility?
14 Oct 2011, 14:26 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-238: Quote me, fckface, quote me…
14 Oct 2011, 14:26 pm
@Helen(Helen)-239: so this is’nt a rugby forum,it’s oprah’s forum.
14 Oct 2011, 14:27 pm
@ET.(ET.)-240:
ET, how you doing sweetie?
I thought about you earlier when I replaced the muffin
14 Oct 2011, 14:28 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-241:
You tell him, girlfriend!
ET is here, so we have to keep up appearances wink wink
14 Oct 2011, 14:29 pm
@dermie(dermie)-242:
Trust me, where I am sitting, it is more like a banned scene from SAW
14 Oct 2011, 14:30 pm
Wow, disappointed with the blogging. How about a rugby discussion?
14 Oct 2011, 14:30 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-241:
if it wasn’t you whining like a schoolgirl it was somebody else very similar to you big cake hole, too much to say etc etc so if it wasn’t you I apologise, you only whined during the WC
14 Oct 2011, 14:33 pm
@Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-246:
if you hang around a bit longer Helen might start talking about her Labia, it gets really interesting then
14 Oct 2011, 14:33 pm
@ET.(ET.)-240: Aha, so by Noakes making some valid points and commentary on that by not just dumfck “yarpies” but by Aussies, Englishmen and guaranteed other nationalities too you get “lies and delusion and no credibility”.
Yeah, as credible as a “struggle hero” who spouts off about walking the streets of “Tokoza” Township….?
Where or what is “Tokoza”? The Bang Bang Club used to play in Thokoza.
Farken fraudulent mpukane… thats what you are… ithuvu lempukane.
14 Oct 2011, 14:34 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-248: So sadly this is not a once-off lowlight?
14 Oct 2011, 14:36 pm
@Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-250:
no everyday
14 Oct 2011, 14:39 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-247: Ja, well, exposed as nothing more than a common liar doesn’t require an apology to me…
14 Oct 2011, 14:41 pm
@Helen(Helen)-15: That is a very good post
14 Oct 2011, 14:46 pm
Outa here…. catching a plane to London for a presentation tomorro eve
See you on Monday!
14 Oct 2011, 14:47 pm
@Helen(Helen)-254: Cheers you crazy tart.
14 Oct 2011, 14:47 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-252:
I trust you’ll be shouting for the Ab’s this Sunday?
14 Oct 2011, 14:48 pm
@dermie(dermie)-242:
with the anzacs around its more a jerry springer than an oprah.
14 Oct 2011, 14:49 pm
Where ignorance and a lack of reason and credibility is bliss, ’tis sheer folly to be wise.
Let the wizards and witches of deceit and deception and distortion and lies and delusions and a host more evils HOWL on merrily.
14 Oct 2011, 14:51 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-256:
funny thing is i’d enjoy the ozzies losing in a final to the french as i feel that would be justice better served.
as for nz, well, it was a keewee ref at the end of the day wasn’t it.
14 Oct 2011, 14:54 pm
@ET.(ET.)-258: Hey ET, did that ointment work? Can you sit more comfortably? I was thinking of you, man. At your age, piles are certainly not your friend. Be strong, bud.
14 Oct 2011, 14:54 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-256: Why? I can tell you now with 99% certainty that the AB’s will win.
A foregone conclusion, actually.
The exciting game will be France vs Wales. But there we have Rolland reffing so it will probably be Wales with advantage.
I hope to God for you chaps that any controversy will not be too bad going forward. Overall, the atmosphere has been brilliant. However I don’t think we will hear the last of this before the tournament is over.
14 Oct 2011, 14:57 pm
@ET.(ET.)-258: Well, HOWL on, mpukane… PS: I am so farken glad you removed your ikhanda from up my umdidi… It was getting a bit uncomfortable…
14 Oct 2011, 14:58 pm
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-259:
wales AB final would be better
14 Oct 2011, 15:01 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-261:
is that because we are the better team or Paddy has given the ref the word?
14 Oct 2011, 15:02 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-263: Would be a good one BUT AB vs frogs will test that chocker tag properly.
14 Oct 2011, 15:07 pm
@Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-265:
at the garden of Eden in a potential final we’d bury the Frogs
14 Oct 2011, 15:10 pm
@dermie(dermie)-139:
you know where we’re going with this dermie…you know…
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-145:
honestly hurricane?
in one instance a ref intetionally over-involves himself for the purpose of doing the right thing, in the other instance a ref intentionally under-involves himself for the purpose of doing what?
certainly not for the purpose of doing the ‘right thing’…so this leaves the only other explanation as being his purpose was either to do the wrong thing, at worst, or he rather in fact the most incompetent ffuckhead in world rugby, at best.
a saffa would never do this to an anzac but an anzac wouldn’t bat an eyelid at doing it to a saffa….this is the difference between us…
you resent the fact that we are physically better than you at the game and often go dirty against us in frustration. that and perhaps you havn’t come round to the fact that apartheid ended a long time ago. you live in cliche’s…and that sad..sad for you…
14 Oct 2011, 15:18 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-263:
the french would bring more to the table than the welsh.
the welsh will go into the game as a mini version of the ab’s in style and play.
its like arsenal vs barcelona in football…and at the end of the day mini-me always loses out to dr evil.
the real game will be against france (for either the ab’s or walla’s) as long as france pitches up it should be a humdinger at the least, and an outright ffucking tail twister if the french win, at the best.
14 Oct 2011, 15:22 pm
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-268:
hold on a second you just squeaked past the Welsh by 1 point, they deserved to beat you we both know that, just because you’ve been eliminated already lets keep the analysis real
14 Oct 2011, 15:22 pm
I cannot bring myself to “support” or throw my weight behind either of these Antipodean teams. They are both the big enemy. I will therefore just watch the game as a complete neutral and wait for the tears.
The other match is going to be far more interesting, the much better game of the two.
Ordinarily, I can’t stand Wales. All big talk about how it’s their turn to beat the Boks and blah blah blah but it never happens. But there’s something of a fairy tale to their journey so far. I think I will favour the French though…
I’ve noticed the Kiwis would rather meet Wales in the final. No surprise there on 3 counts (i) France beat NZ in NZ the last time they toured (no small feat); (ii) we are all very familiar with the RWC history between France and NZ (
); and (iii) NZ last lost to Wales almost 60 long years ago, in 1953.
So, if NZ win the semi I hope they meet France.
Conversely, I’m sure the Aussies would rather meet France, for a host of reasons (i) Australia smashed France 59-16 in France last November; (ii) Australia have not lost to France since 2005; (iii) The last time Australia and France met in a RWC final, Australia were the only team in the match; and (iii) Since 2005 Wales have knocked over Australia twice (Wales will believe they can do it).
So, if Aus win the semi I hope they meet Wales.
14 Oct 2011, 15:28 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-270:
history counts for fark all, we’ve been told for the last four years that the Bokke have BMT come WC time, that old wives tale has been put to bed
14 Oct 2011, 15:29 pm
Wales Vs Aus in the Final
With the Welsh Dragons klapping the Wobblies upfront!
14 Oct 2011, 15:30 pm
I have no faith in NZ without Carter. I might be proven wrong though.
14 Oct 2011, 15:32 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-271: Sometimes I also try to convince myself of that.
In my view, the Welsh will believe they have a better chance of upsetting the Wallies and the French will believe they have a better chance of upsetting the Keevies. I have carefully explained my reasoning.
History lends a degree of confidence.
14 Oct 2011, 15:34 pm
The last final I’d want to see is a NZ vs Wales final.
Might as well not even play.
NZ v France and Aus v Wales then there may be some slight whiff of an upset and therefore some interest.
14 Oct 2011, 15:35 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-275: “Might as well not even play.”
Why?
14 Oct 2011, 15:37 pm
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-273:
We buried the Argies by 23 points without him.
14 Oct 2011, 15:38 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-275: Agreed. That will be my two choices as well.
14 Oct 2011, 15:39 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-275:
Wales are playing great footy.
14 Oct 2011, 15:40 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-277: Operative word being Argies.
14 Oct 2011, 15:41 pm
@Helen(Helen)-239: lololololol you are something else, there were times reading your stuff i was laughing so loud the hubby came inside to find out why, when i read some of your posts he did not find them funny.
When you first started here i was just in shock, think i am now desensitized.
14 Oct 2011, 15:44 pm
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-280:
the Argies would have run you very close as Samoa and Wales did
14 Oct 2011, 15:44 pm
@Helen(Ryan)-254:
You forgot the East from your statement Riana…
14 Oct 2011, 15:46 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-279: Exactly. Welsh play fine consistently and are conditioned well. Unlike Frogs. I recall only ONE good half they played against +/- decent opposition. No, this motley crew should be put out of their misery.
14 Oct 2011, 15:47 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-282: Really?
14 Oct 2011, 15:48 pm
@Nils(Nils)-276:
you know the answer there.
it’ll be like arsenal vs barcelona.
arsenal are the poor cousins of barcelona’s style of play so will almost overwhelmingly always lose out to barcelona.
ergo: ‘they might as well not even play’
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-269:
“they deserved to beat you we both know that”….thats keeping the analysis real alright sinokiwi…
14 Oct 2011, 15:49 pm
All Blacks by 9
Wales by 15
Wales – AB final…
14 Oct 2011, 15:50 pm
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-286: Er … everyone lose to Barcelona, aren’t they? Even Man Utd.
14 Oct 2011, 15:50 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-282: Which means they would of run or even beat Australia too.
14 Oct 2011, 15:52 pm
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-285:
yip Wales and Samoa did and the Aussies beat you, they would have run you close
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-286:
ok mate you killed them with your superb running rugby and fluid backline they had no chance and they never looked like beating you, is that better?
14 Oct 2011, 15:52 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-287: Aus by 7
Wales by 7
Wales vs Aus Final
Wales by 12
14 Oct 2011, 15:53 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-287: Cmon, Bill, NO TRIES for the ABs?
14 Oct 2011, 15:53 pm
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-289:
Australia has a backline you don’t.
14 Oct 2011, 15:53 pm
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-291:
Naa Oz don’t have it to beat the AB’s in NZ mate.
Wales to take the final against Kiwis.
14 Oct 2011, 15:54 pm
@Nils(Nils)-288: Real Madrid beat them in a cup final last year……
14 Oct 2011, 15:54 pm
@Nils(Nils)-292:
Who said no tries? I said the AB’s will win by 9.
69 – 60 LOL
14 Oct 2011, 15:55 pm
@Nils(Nils)-276: OK lets explore that:
Lets go all the way back to the 1987 RWC where NZ and Wales met in the RWC semi final and look at the results from there between these 2 countries. In total, 17 matches have been played since (including that semi final).
NZ have won them all.
NZ have scored 87 tries
Wales have scored 14 tries
NZ have scored 684 pts at an average of 40 pts p/game
Wales have scored 203 pts at an average of 12 pts p/game
Or as you may even put it: “if Wales can’t even beat SA, what chance of them beating NZ?”
14 Oct 2011, 15:56 pm
We have a problem in the AB vs Aus QF. It is reffed by a Saffa.
Now if the game is very close and a controversial decision goes the ABs way and they win the game as a consequence whats to stop the Aussies claiming:
“Hes a bitter Yarpie whose team lost to Aus and now is evening up the scales”…
Why couldn’t Rolland ref the Aus vs NZ game and Joubert the Wales vs France game to remove all trace of impropriety….?
This is a fckup waiting to happen.
14 Oct 2011, 15:56 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-270:
words fail me…i’m never much of a shakespear on the tongue most days….but then you come along and are my saviour….
beautiful man, beautiful!…
bravo!…bravo!…
14 Oct 2011, 15:57 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-298:
Who cares! My team ain’t there…
14 Oct 2011, 15:58 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-295: True. I over-generalized a bit.
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-296: My bad, sincere apologies! 8)
14 Oct 2011, 15:58 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-298:
god where do you drag this stuff up from?
14 Oct 2011, 15:59 pm
You dumfck sheep need to wipe the scales from your eyes. At the very least the officiating has been incompetent… At the very worst there has been a corruption driven fix… In the middle we have some rigging similar to political gerrymandering.
I would tend towards the middle.
14 Oct 2011, 16:01 pm
On da udder hand France have beaten NZ 7 times since 1987.
Some big wins in there too: 43-31 in RWC 1999 and 42-33 in 2000.
14 Oct 2011, 16:01 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-303:
Funny don’t remember hearing any of this type of stuff from Saffa’s at the last WC.
14 Oct 2011, 16:03 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-304:
as you know though we still own them big time head to head and a few weeks back we thumped them, they won’t beat us at an Eden park final.
14 Oct 2011, 16:05 pm
I’ll be happy it the racist NZ’landers lose tomorrow! but its a long shot!
14 Oct 2011, 16:09 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-297: Sure, stats are stats, you have to agree that this Welsh side looks good though, while ABs is hardly at the peak of their power. So why not? Surely they have at least some chance.
I’d say why bother with SA-Namibia or NZ-Japan type of games, nothing will change there in hundred years.
14 Oct 2011, 16:09 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-306: Well, here’s one for you:
On the 2nd and 9th of June 2007, a mere handful of months out from the 2007 RWC, NZ obliterated France 42-11 and 61-10.
In their very next encounter on 6 Oct 2007 (when it mattered most) France turned up the heat and won 20-18 to send NZ crashing out of the World Cup at the quarter final stage.
You have to admit, enough just to be the teeniest bit nervous, that the French can turn it on at any time – and seem to do it against you chaps with relish (and a fair degree of consistency).
14 Oct 2011, 16:19 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-309: Ja, but there does seem to be an almost prophetic feel that this would be the AB year..but of course it might turn to the pathetic by Sunday 12:00…
14 Oct 2011, 16:24 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-309: “at any time” it is a bit rich, once in 8 years, so we’ll have to wait till England. Until then they as usual will spread their legs wide on each and every November tour.
(when it mattered most) turned up the heat …. Er … I got confused. So we can say Aussies turned up the heat when it mattered most last weekend? Frogs and Ozzmob game stats were like Siamese twins.
14 Oct 2011, 16:33 pm
Tomorrow is going to be interesting…
14 Oct 2011, 16:33 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-305: Let me point out some differences:
- The awarding of the RWC to the host nation for 2007 was not under any question whatsoever. The winning bid for 2007 was considered the best bid from all perspectives, unlike the 2011 WC.
- The RWC 2007 did not have a situation where referees were selected for matches in direct contravention of the IRB’s own directives.
- The RWC 2007 did not have refereeing question marks nearly as bad as this WC throughout the whole tournament. The only big question mark was by one Nation about Wayne Barnes – this illustrates that Kiwis sitting back in smug sang froid about last week are hypocrites of the highest order.
- The best team won RWC 2007 with no help from any official, i.e. The head of referees in 2007 was not from the same nation who hosted the WC. The head of referees was also not from the Nation who eventually won RWC 2007.
Whats it going to be like being told for 4 years that you chaps won a rigged World Cup as opposed to the Boks been told they were merely lucky.
I for one would rather have the lucky tag than rigged any day of the week 365 days of a year.
14 Oct 2011, 16:39 pm
@Transformation(p0ppa69)-307: look here arsehole if you’re bored go play in traffic!
14 Oct 2011, 16:41 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-313:
There is another option
Not winning a rigged rwc…
14 Oct 2011, 16:45 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-313: you are getting close to Panty as the MASTER of spin on Keo…keep going
14 Oct 2011, 16:46 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-315: If the IRB dont do anything to quash the Chinese whispers very soon then RWC 2011 may forever be known as the “Rigged World Cup”.
The Black Sox of Rugby? Don’t bet your life against it.
14 Oct 2011, 16:49 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-316: Careful… You and I might be accused of being….um… unoriginal….
++++++++++++++++bellyfarkenguffaws+++++++++++++++++
14 Oct 2011, 17:01 pm
Wow, bloody conspiracy grows by each day.
Rigged world cup, for sure. Just because one team fans cannot cope with “Wayne Barnes” upon themselves while were happy to see him unleshed on others.
No probs, time heals. 4 years heal a lot.
14 Oct 2011, 17:04 pm
@Nils(Nils)-319: Lucky vs Rigged… I know which I would prefer.
14 Oct 2011, 17:08 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-320:
He is from Latvia,the won’t even beat our Varsity Cup Champions,propably give some Vodacom Cup sides a run for their money on a good day.
14 Oct 2011, 17:09 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-320: Whatever, mate. For me is just sour grapes but no probs, everyone is entitled to their own ones.
14 Oct 2011, 17:10 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-321: Hehe.
14 Oct 2011, 17:13 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-323:
Even a good clubrugby “closed” 3rd side will give them a run for their money.
You know those sides,guys who retire from provincial go straight into those teams.Played the Blakeway brothers the year after they retired from provincial rugby in one of those closed sides.
14 Oct 2011, 17:13 pm
@Nils(Nils)-322: And Kiwi’s know everything there is to know about sour grapes, huh?
From Soozie to Barnes…
But you have a problem with this logic because it isn’t just dumfck “yarpies” who are starting to ask some uncomfortable but quite valid questions.
And this story may possibly blow wide open after this weekend….
14 Oct 2011, 17:14 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-321: and surely there will be whinge about the ref, should we somehow win.
14 Oct 2011, 17:15 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-324: Farken mad bug.gers those….. Remember watching a DHS OB vs Glenwood OB (?) and those two boets were slugging the living shy.te out of eachother in opposing sides.
14 Oct 2011, 17:17 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-325: (yawn)
We complained about Barnes, you about Lawrence, both crashed out, fine, our those 4 years have passed, now your turn gents.
14 Oct 2011, 17:19 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-327:
hahaha.
Reminds me of the first clubgame I ever watched.
Was down in Deben on pass and my dad took me to Quins.
So we stand next to the field and watch a 3rd side game.
Lineout forms,Quins throw in.
As the opposing hooker turns his head to the hooker throwing in,the ball is thrown straight into his face and a huge brawl breaks out.
I k@kked myself a bit.
That rugby is slower than u21 rugby and about just as hard as 1st team rugby.
What the okes lack in speed they make up with in mongrel and physicallity.
14 Oct 2011, 17:20 pm
Mr vrede you are the jinx man here i hear. Thanks for tipping NZ.
14 Oct 2011, 17:23 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-325: The funny thing is, that’s all you’ve got and what’s even more funny – that poisoning thing (I do not care who did it) had nothing to do with the ref. So basically one “whinge”. Fair defeats in 91, 99, 03.
Anyway, sooner or later okes will calm down and understand that it’s not the whole world against them, it’s how they perceive the world. sun will come up anyway tomorrow.
14 Oct 2011, 17:24 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-329: Yeah, some funnyshit in First Div club rugger in Natal… used to have crowds in the thousands watching club games in the 1980′s and early 1990′s, now they cant get more than a man and a dog… But those were the days when Boks and Provincial players had to, and wanted to, play for their Clubs.
Many brawls… lovely stuff in those days of yore.
14 Oct 2011, 17:25 pm
@Nils(Nils)-331:
Sun does not come out much in nz…
14 Oct 2011, 17:27 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-332:
What happened on the field stayed on the field.Club rugby had a lot of soul.
I realised early that these old toppies was moering me like I said I was gonna ***** their daughters,so I started telling them that anyway:-)
14 Oct 2011, 17:27 pm
@Nils(Nils)-331: So 95 and 2007 were not “fair” defeats… The ones the Boks won…
Hmmm, thank you for confirming what I already know and making my point about Kiwi hypocrisy at the same time…
14 Oct 2011, 17:30 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-335: HG, Frogs won that game in 2007. I understand you simply cannot read what is written but just what you want to see to be written.
Alright with me, I do not care.
14 Oct 2011, 17:31 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-334: I remember one Club game having:
Honiball
Lood Muller
Dennis Laatz
Gary Teichman
James Small
Jeremy Thompson
Pieter Muller
Errol Stuart
Hentie Maartens
…. and a few more I forget, in a game played at a packed out Woodburn stadium in PMB on a chilly Friday or Saturday night….
Many games like that.
14 Oct 2011, 17:33 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-3:
Mr Noakes while you are at it can you get them to review the 1995 semii final…including the gold watch presentation. The boks should not have been in that final.
How about the penalties that went against thw wallabies this last weekend. Why did the conversion not be taken again and why were the boks given the penalty that led to their first conversion. Science and phsics will show you that to run into someone over and over again…you wont go through them if they are dominationing the tackle.
14 Oct 2011, 17:35 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-337:
Woodburn is the hardest fields I have played on,I think they graded the fields before a game.
You just know when you fall it is gonna be a major roastie.
We had guys like
Jouba
Vleis
Guy Kebble
Kabous
Robert du Preez
Warren Britz etc.
14 Oct 2011, 17:35 pm
@Nils(Nils)-336: Well I do care about Rugby, and the fact that its very moral countenance is being questioned saddens me:
- from fcked up citings
- to farcical fines about gum guards
- to bad ref appointments
- to unfair rest periods
- to extremely bad ref performances
- to threatened boycotts
…and now match fixing??? And you just think it is “sour grapes”….
Obviously you aren’t steeped enough in the traditions of this great game and don’t care enough about it.
14 Oct 2011, 17:37 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-339: Farken Durban Crusaders, hey…? I thought Jouba played for Quins.
Now that was a shy’te place to go and play… That and Newcastle… Fark me, the tannies on the sidelines used to scream blue murder….
14 Oct 2011, 17:40 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-340:
He hasnt got a clue what real rugby is about or how we grew up with the game.
I have seen so many highschool mavericks get mown down in clubrugby and cannot make the grade.Men against boys.
We had a 10 at school who had a flashy inside step,second time he tried it the flanker cut his lights and water and he was stretchered off concussed.
Played 3rd div rugby after that.
Bwhahaha!
14 Oct 2011, 17:42 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-341:
Jouba was a Quins boy.
I hated saders.nice field to play,easy to get the okes on the verandah dopping riled up.Use to look at them and spit:-)
14 Oct 2011, 17:46 pm
@Helen(Helen)-15:
Go and get robots to ref…you then find rsa penalised more often…then someone will say their robots software was corrupted by the anzacs.
14 Oct 2011, 17:48 pm
Boks expect everything on a plate. You dont find a gap and use it…its your fault!
We should call thia mans bluff (noakes)and show the world the pretender he is….got his degree from a protractor.
14 Oct 2011, 17:49 pm
If the boks dont win…its a conspiracy…yet their fortune is made very finely along conspiracy!
14 Oct 2011, 17:50 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-342: Hehehe…. Many times that happened. Club rugby used to be a great sifter of men from boys and a good rung in the ladder up to representational rugger… You don’t have that anymore to the same extent and it is a big gap…
(Can remember hitting a local Quins hero when playing on the Bluff, many..many years back. Had to get changed quickly and farken leave in a hurry afterward… the chap’s wife or girlfriend threw a couple of half full dumpies at me as we were coming off the pitch after the game… The crowd was baying for blood… Those were the days
)
14 Oct 2011, 17:52 pm
I think I might finally agree with Ryan on something, Wales and AB’s.
Imagine Wales win the WC
14 Oct 2011, 17:54 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-343: A naughty, naughty man Jouba…
Yeah, Saders used to rate themselves very highly… But they could back it up unfortunately…
Had many a beer in that pub and late post game thrash…. having a slash off that packed balcony was great fun… especially when it was packed below too
14 Oct 2011, 17:55 pm
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-345: Fukkoff Capo.
14 Oct 2011, 17:57 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-347:
Hahaha!I am a Quins boy so watch your step.
In 95 we had a epic game against Collegians.
They had some aussie imports,a 10 and my oposing wing who was a big bugger.10 would double skip to him or inside centre would skip 1 direct to him.He never got past me.
Lots of punch-ups and the mood was pugilistic.
Our 10 looks like thin prop but he played Natal school soccer and some cricket for The Mynahs.
So he has words with the aussie 10 and things get said:-)
We needed a try to draw level,I cut the line and the tryline is 5m from me and I am through untill someone got me from behind with a daisycutter around the ankles.I did not even have time to brace,it is the hardest I have fallen in my life.
5min left and our 10 throws a outragoues dummy and scores under the poles,walks back and chirps the aussie even more.We need a conversion to win.
Our 10 goes back to the halfway and kicks it over with about 2m in height over the crossbar to spare.
Lekker memories.
14 Oct 2011, 17:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-349:
Jouba is a legend,I have a lot of respect for him.
14 Oct 2011, 18:04 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-340: Again, why you do not just read what is written ffs just once? Tell me where I said ANYTHING about your mentioned topics right now to draw any conclusions.
I was talking EXCLUSIVELY about 100% identical reaction from ABs supporters about WB then and Boks supporters reaction about BL now where I do not see any difference whatsoever, we were outraged then, you – now. We were ridiculed by okes here then and onwards, you get your share from us now, That’s it.
I can agree with you in many things and surely you have valid points in many things, then ok, let’s discuss them, let’s share our thoughts, it’s fine. Apart from “match fixing” I can even agree with all your mentioned points more or less or even in full.
But if you bring heavy artillery about match fixing now, surely the same applies to 4 year old events. With all those stats just like Boks now – and get **** zero from the referee, it takes some artistry.
14 Oct 2011, 18:06 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-351: Lol… Quins, hey? Thought I’d flush you out, thats why I was regaling. You chaps also had a bit of a Sugar Daddy/ Abramovich type character who thought he was king of the hill too… One funnybastard!
That bloo.dy Harlequins booze bus was another mindfck.
Ja, but the mood was always Pugilistic with you madfarkers… You, Maritzburg Police and DHS OBs…. Filthy farkers all of you
But the beers were always excellent afterwards. You’re right – awesome memories.
14 Oct 2011, 18:10 pm
@Nils(Nils)-353: But its not “100% identical reaction” AT ALL….
AB supporters made sh.it up…. I mean for fcksake, Soozie….HUH?
I am talking facts here. And anyway many SA supporters take the view of “Cowboys don’t cry”….
So not the same, AT ALL.
Wind your neck in.
14 Oct 2011, 18:12 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-352: Ja, a legend on the field… and off, too
And then you have Cabous… another Quin.
14 Oct 2011, 18:12 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-354:
That bus was a winner,we even drove around in it a couple of times dopping.
Maritzburg Police was bad.Our biggest brawls was against Toti.
I learned early to not try and stop a fight on the field and to hit 1st because you are going to be engaged.
And what happened on the field stayed on the field,beers afterwards was awesome.
We use to have spanbou evenings with the u21′s at Shunters Arms.
Diabolical.
14 Oct 2011, 18:13 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-356:
Kabous is a cool cat,very friendly with no ego.
14 Oct 2011, 18:16 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-355: ****, i was going to explain my honest opinion about your raised topic and then I saw your “Wind your neck in.” and it became clear that it is futile exercise. You ain’t gonna listen anyway.
14 Oct 2011, 18:18 pm
@Nils(Nils)-359:
Nils can’t you see that real rugby men are talking?
Know your place.
14 Oct 2011, 18:18 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-357: Yeah, Bobbies was bad… also dangerous Tannies there. Never played at Toti.
What happened on field stayed on field with the players… but strues Bob some supporters were rabid for some of the clubs.
Shunters
– a blast from the past if ever there was one…. At The Workshop if I remember correctly….
14 Oct 2011, 18:20 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-360: ag, shut up.
14 Oct 2011, 18:21 pm
@Nils(Nils)-359: Listen to what? “Sour grapes” or other assorted AB’s getting their “revenge” after 4 years of so called “hurt”…. PS: Another difference from 2007 is that “perpetrator” Barnes was an Englishman… This time its Kiwis…
14 Oct 2011, 18:25 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-361:
We had a flank pitch up on gameday with his forearm in a bandage,he got stabbed the night before and had a stormer of a game.
Shunters was our spot,I can tell you stories:-)
14 Oct 2011, 18:27 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-358: Talking about good bu.ggers a good place to go and play was in Empangeni… Putty and one of the MacKintoshes used to play there. Used to get hammered out of our skulls there and the 2 or 3 hour trip back used to double in time easy with many a stop for a swazz or into a couple of pubs on the way…. Nostalgia is.
14 Oct 2011, 18:28 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-364: Can tell you a good few too, but reputations are on the line
14 Oct 2011, 18:32 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-365:
Mac’s son,also played Natal if not mistaken.
Waking up with my clothes and shoes still on became the norm.
I once gripped this chick and woke up with her no on my arm but the name was smudged.This was before cell phones.
Phone the no and start chatting to her and telling her what a kief grip she is and how lekker her b00bs are.
Female voice then said:”I think you want to speak to my daughter” and hung up:-)
14 Oct 2011, 18:33 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-366:
This is certainly not the place to do that.
14 Oct 2011, 18:38 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-367: Yeah, that he did. Think he played for the Bulls too for a couple of games.
:lol; “KIEF”, you’ve now done me in, mate. Haven’t heard or read that word in years… Beyootiful.
Heard a similar story to that except the person on the other end was the husband… and he was worried about where the wife was… Helluvathing!
14 Oct 2011, 18:43 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-369:
New Years at Ansteys I once gripped a bluff oke’s mom.
He thought I was a town clown and tried to get heavy.
I told him that the Quins clubhouse isnt far<all I need to do is make one phone call.
He backed down:-)
14 Oct 2011, 18:44 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-370: HellsTeeth!!!
14 Oct 2011, 18:46 pm
Ag you two get a room
14 Oct 2011, 18:47 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-371:
Laaitie tried to get heave because I did not live on the Bluff,did not know I was a Quins boy,one of those skinny weedsmokers.
My mate pulled into the mom after me.
Maybe he was scared of having me as a stepdad,especially when I am not much older.
14 Oct 2011, 18:48 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-370: One of the funniest blokes I have ever met in Rugby is Gerhard Harding…. The man is a beaut, his one story about the one eyed snake made me wet my pants when I heard it… I forget the details but it wasn’t what he said, but the way he told his stories… Farken frontrowers…. The funniest farkers in any team.
14 Oct 2011, 18:48 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-372:
Just ignore us.
Simple
14 Oct 2011, 18:49 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-374:
Him and Lood were real old school props.
He played for Police.
14 Oct 2011, 18:49 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-373: Lol, the days of innocent youth…
14 Oct 2011, 18:51 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-376: Naah, Lood played for Police or “Bobbies” but if I remember correctly Harding played for Crusaders.
14 Oct 2011, 18:52 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-374:
We had a prop who once did a short straight jab to a okes chin,no drawback nada.
Saw the oke 2 weeks later at Shunters and he was still getting headaches.
Our prop is such a mellow dude,just stepped in and adressed this okes emotions.
14 Oct 2011, 18:52 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-372: Just regaling, Prawny… A bit of nostalgia… We are talking rugby….So what is the problem?
14 Oct 2011, 18:54 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-378:
Jip,Lood was the Bobbies oke.
Real tragedy that old Shaun Gage commited suicide.
Chris Butcher was another mad pom,smaaked his play.
14 Oct 2011, 18:58 pm
speaking of 1986, tjesus, those sunglasses look like something out of miami vice.
i aint no style koning, but get rid of those puppies.
14 Oct 2011, 18:58 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-379: Lol. I remember one game, a hooker received a tighty during a ruck… he did not even look before turning around and unleashing the biggest haymaker I ever saw… He connected with his own Lock… The poor innocent fck slept in hospital for a couple of days… The hooker was sent off for clubbing his own team mate
14 Oct 2011, 19:02 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-383:
hahaha.
collataral damage,they most prob laughed afterwards.
I never had my nose broken so I am cool.
We had a 15 kicking a up and under and running back and catching it himself.
We called it a “Owen Garry”.
14 Oct 2011, 19:05 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-381: Shaun was a tragedy of note. Empangeni boy…. Could have been Uli Schmidt mark II. ****, I get tears thinking about it. Not good man, you shouldn’t bring stuff up like that.
Butcher, Lawton, Mexted, La Croix, Roumat, Fed Mendez and a good few others that don’t come to mind immediately…. Many Foreign Legionnaires in Natal over a good few years. Made it special for guys to play with foreigners.
14 Oct 2011, 19:06 pm
@cab(cab)-382: Ja Cab… Nice disguise hey?
14 Oct 2011, 19:08 pm
Paul Challenor
There are some Natal legends
Noble
Mortassagne
Hefer
It was always easy to see where on the Bluff Vleis stayed.His was the Spoorweg house with the halfdrum braai outside which had the extra long legs.
14 Oct 2011, 19:08 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-384: It was the funniest thing… Legend. Snotklaps not good… Have had to have my snoz done.
14 Oct 2011, 19:12 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-388:
Nice thing then was that the stars were accesible and were not given special treatment.
I once stepped Kabous in a pre-training touch game and the okes were giving him **** saying stuff like “He went past you on your left hand side”.
Hillarious.
14 Oct 2011, 19:13 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-387: Yeah, memories there… Hefer was a Doc at PMB University. Wonder what he’s doing now.
14 Oct 2011, 19:15 pm
Rugby from before cellphones
14 Oct 2011, 19:15 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-390:
Kabous is in Mauritius and also coaches rugby.
The first overseas player I met was Pierre Bebizier at the fleamarket when they toured here.
Mexted married a saffa beauty queen.
14 Oct 2011, 19:17 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-391:
Relax please
14 Oct 2011, 19:19 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-390:
Ronnie Haarhoff is another name.
14 Oct 2011, 19:19 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-389: Funnyshit… But thats why Club Rugby was good for the game. Chaps belonged to something – it wasn’t just about Academies and all of that stuff, you were imbibed with traditions, pride and cameraderie that you can’t get anywhere than at your Club. That cameraderie then filtered upwards to the Provincial side. Yeah, clubs kept players grounded.
14 Oct 2011, 19:21 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-395:
One of the best centre pairings who never played for Natal was Kevin Malton and Daantjie Erasmus from Quins I have been told.
14 Oct 2011, 19:26 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-392: The French dig Natal, they always have.
Haarhof, a harder tackler you will rarely see – Sharks Lover knows him, I think…
Hell, a real blast from the past… Last Outpost stuff this, hey.
14 Oct 2011, 19:28 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-396: Lol, farkoff man. The only thing any Quins centre could do was either run straight into a brick wall… or act as one. And absolutely nothing else!
14 Oct 2011, 19:29 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-397:
Banana Boys stuff.
One year we got a youngster as a flank and he was good,played 1st side.
Did not pay his dues though.
1 night he was chatting to the 1st side prop and hooker and pointed me out.
I do not know this dude from a bar of soap.
He told them he was going to beat me up.
They started laughing.
He asked why
They told him that if that is the case he needs to beat them up first
Youngsters,I tell you.
14 Oct 2011, 19:31 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-398:
Daantjie is a amatuer boxer with a horrid nose,I would rather take on a lock,hooker or prop.
Fast hands:-)
14 Oct 2011, 19:38 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-399: Yeah, cheeky youngsters must always pay their dues… I was one, I learned very quickly who was who in the zoo in the weekly koppestamp.
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-400: Prop, or lock definitely, but Hookers… No, mate, speak for yourself. I have been dealt the biggest hidings of my life on and off the pitch by mad, rabid hookers.
14 Oct 2011, 19:38 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-358:
Skin like a leather calabash now… all that time spent tanning in his g-string at Tekweni in his younger days!
14 Oct 2011, 19:42 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-402:
hahaha!
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-401:
hookers sure are special guys.
14 Oct 2011, 19:42 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-402: LOL
14 Oct 2011, 19:43 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-403: Specially fcked in the head… Ask Stormersboy.
14 Oct 2011, 19:45 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-13: I see Noaksie’s sobered up, resiled and used the Juju Defence (I was quoted out of context)… Rent-a-quote gave out one too many…
‘My motivation to write the letter (to the Cape Times) was most certainly not to accuse anyone of match fixing or to suggest that there was clear evidence that the game in question was either “fixed” or “bent”. For how could I ever possibly have any such evidence?’
‘It was merely to indicate that this particular game would prove a landmark case in the future history of the Rugby World Cup since it appeared as if refereeing decisions determined, in no small measure, the outcome of the game.’
Weak, Noaksie, pathetically weak, you old fraud!
14 Oct 2011, 19:47 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-405:
Anything sets them off,then the short uppercuts start.
My opinion of what I have seen in club rugby.
14 Oct 2011, 19:49 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-406:
What is the time in NZ now loner?
Go clean your mother’s bedpan.
14 Oct 2011, 19:52 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-406: Note he doesn’t deny what he wrote at all. He clarifies his reasoning to do it. Is that too hard to understand….
Good on him for saying the unspeakable… No harm in asking some questions. It seems the more questions that are asked about this RWC, the more questions seem to pop up.
Hmmm, Rigging or Incompetence… I just hope for this game that its not rigging because we can all live with incompetence in Rugby. But the spotlight needs to be shone on the shadows.
14 Oct 2011, 19:53 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-407: Uppercuts or headbutts…!!! Never forget or deny a hooker’s headbutt.
14 Oct 2011, 19:54 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-409:
What is done in the dark will come out in the light.
O ja,hookers tend to carry grudges aswell…
14 Oct 2011, 19:56 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-410:
Normally a headbutt,lucky victim drops his head,collar of the jersey gets gripped and then it is time for the uppercuts.
Poetry in motion.
14 Oct 2011, 19:59 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-411: Lol, that they do. Hell hath no fury, like a hooker scorned. … Never turn your back on one either. Evil sods.
14 Oct 2011, 20:02 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-413:
i think they pioneered cage fighting.
the frontrow is a evil dark place
14 Oct 2011, 20:05 pm
Later HG
Lekker chat
Later.
14 Oct 2011, 20:11 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-415: Cheers mate. Great reminiscing. Am out for now too.
14 Oct 2011, 20:12 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-392: Mexted married a Kiwi-born-and-bred beauty queen — Lorraine Downes (Miss Universe, 1983). (You’re confusing him with Alan Sutherland, who married the Rhodesian beauty, Vera Johns.)
14 Oct 2011, 20:24 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-409: He made the mistake of writing it. His nutty rant is therefore indelible and all the more inexcusable. Hundreds of rugby games that have ended in narrow defeats for the loser might have gone the other way had it not been for a refereeing decision or two. Coulda, shoulda and woulda — the unholy trinity of loserdom. Noakes, the pseudo-scientist, is insisting that a negative be proved — the biggest and most unscientific epistomological and teleological boo-boo of them all! You always state your hypothesis as a positive and then seek to prove it. If you cannot prove it, you assume the null hypothesis still stands. That’s the core practice of science. Noaksie doesn’t know this — after a few G&T, most probably, his inner charlatan emerges, carrying snake-oil.
He’s made a very large mammary gland of himself, has poor Noaksie. Yet again. He should retire asap.
14 Oct 2011, 20:27 pm
lol – old tackler trying to bait noaksie.
14 Oct 2011, 20:36 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-418: His rant was not nutty… It was totally valid.
The IRB and Rugby is going to have a real reputational problem soon… Now, I don’t know what the fark you do in your life, whether you have been involved with an Organisation or Company of substance, but if an organisation has its reputation and very credibility at risk then the burden is on that organisation to do something about it otherwise… Kaput. Bang. Finish.
Reputational risk is very real… Think BP, Toyota and even Golden Sacks… And now think again about the IRB, Paddy O Brien and refereeing….
14 Oct 2011, 20:42 pm
between Tackler and ET we got the perfect triumvirate of Scientific scrutineers vs old Noaksie the Croaksie
I betcha they both know him first hand.. they both probably sat together at UCT med science faculty cribbing notes from old Noaksies writing pad… That why Tickles and ET find Noaksie so off the wall .. cause they share a fraternity of common ground where the intelligentsia of UCT med school rubbed shoulders in days of yawning yore
14 Oct 2011, 20:46 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-420: Prime Example of a Company that blew up due to reputational risk getting out of hand: Arthur Andersen…
Could the IRB and the RWC become the Arthur Andersen of the Sporting world?
Its up to the IRB to prove that it isn’t.
More and more questions are being asked… After this weekend shi’t will fly, and if enough of it does, shi’t will stick.
Better for the IRB to be proactive. Tim Noakes does them and Rugby a favour by pointing out a big home truth. It is rare for a sport to be free from corruption.
Is Rugby so rare? The IRB should nip this in the bud by investigating the whole organisation of reffing for this tournament – not just Bryce Lawrence.
Nothing to hide, surely?
14 Oct 2011, 20:48 pm
Boks still can’t fathom how the fck they lost that game.. it was a conspiracy of mammoth proportions.. now even the dyed in the baa baa woolly wool black sheep scientists are convinced it was a fixed fixture…
All 836 caps of experience simply could NOT lose to a bunch of greenhorn lightweight arsetralians .. especially when they are being led by the most awe inspiring aura enriched captain of rugby legacy since Oom Doc fell off the baa baa wa…
So gotta be an IRB conspiracy.. simply cannot be ANY other reason than that.. I mean 156 opposition tackles and 86% possession and 55% territory says that it MUST.. so there is NO other possible ramification as to HOW the fck Boks ACTUALLY managed to conspire to LOSE that g’dam game…
14 Oct 2011, 21:05 pm
tackler is right, if u start blaming the ref, its all over, looks to the scoreboard. you got to play the game that the ref deals you.
lawrence is a poor ref generally imo, but i cant quite understand what noakesie is hoping to change? whats he actually saying in a nutshell?
cant understood what these stupid facebook petitions are all about either, have you ever seen a referee’s decision been changed after the whistle is gone?
14 Oct 2011, 21:16 pm
And before the Worlds oldest three year old child forgets what he has been saying…again and does a convenient flip-flop again I will just repaste a certain post of his:
775.ashampoopaloo:
12 Oct 2011, 00:17 am @Nils(Nils)-758: better open both eyes wide Nils .. there is no rugby game devoid of direct bias and infiltrating influence by the despicably designing referees… and none worse than those with a direct angle to grind .. for the sake of their obtuse and prevalent patriotic fervor beating within their breasts… rugby is and never has been a fair contest of he who dares wins… its fraught with insurmountable angles and influential avenues on how to turn it towards a favorable outcome for those who it matters to most..!!! Stop being so decidedly ignorant and naive.. Its AB’s WC to lose .. and if they do it will be against ALL ODDS and ALL sentiment and the entire Paddy O’B circus of conveners..
14 Oct 2011, 21:20 pm
@cab(cab)-424: Even when it is fully rigged by “despicably designing referees” to borrow a phrase from the World’s oldest 3yr old….
Rigged, Fixed or extremely incompetent – thats the Reffing shambles at this World Cup so far…
14 Oct 2011, 21:24 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-426:
to be honest i dont really know what they banging on about, with the Boks having so much possession, pocock did slow it down, but he shouldve been cleaned out and knocked back in the tackle – but as i;ve said already the Boks did not pick the boys to bring that sort of HIT momentum game that was the hallmark of Boks 09 game in which quick phase play freed up backline to go over many times against both NZ and Oz. Instead we got static ball from ageing forwards that were just the wrong side of the hill and not the right balance in the pack to inject the necessary dynamism – get quick ball and u can have a backline of flippe van der merwe, tommir laubscher and vleis visagie and you’ll still score tries.
14 Oct 2011, 21:27 pm
seems some schmucks here cannot for the life of them even begin to understand a little bit of needle conspiracy facetiousness, and as for these heavy weight rugger bugger cowboys who refuse to cry.. all I hear is a belly full of wailing and beseeching for the powers that be to fall on their conspicuous cheating swords…
since when was rugby EVER fair… never has been never will be.. far too much pride and prejudice at stake…
since the days of home town refs deciding tours till now when a WC draw and outcome depends on how the flow of the ball is called.. rugby never has been a fair contest and never will be.. as long as there are human vested interest blowing between the cheek sacks that shrill on the whistles of their choice…
Take your whinging party and realize Boks deserved to LOSE that game.. no other ifs or buts about it BOY..!!!
If your Barney piece of geriatric heroism was SO concerned about returning a BOK triumph he should have gotten the FCK out the way long before the collateral damage had set in so deep.. and then Boks would have WON.. Bryce the pathetic little myce trying his utmost to upset the apple cart OR NOT !!!
14 Oct 2011, 21:30 pm
{ ” “When science is manipulated to produce a predetermined outcome, it’s called ‘bent’ science. Such science is usually directed by large commercial interest.” }
Poor old Timmy! Is he really merely looking for much needed research funds and/or subjects for his research again?
There are the rugby rules and then there is the application of those rules. It is all on paper and a case of being in black and white. No ‘science’ there to be “bent”.
Or is he really cryptically referring to the ‘juices’ usually supplied ” by large commercial interest ” not having the super intended effects that they were supposed to have had and thus gave the “bent science”?
Timmy stick to the exercise physiology as you were never good at any sports even the marathon running where you were just mediocre.
Sports injuries and problems like McCardle’s disease is where you are in your element.
14 Oct 2011, 21:31 pm
@cab(cab)-427: Yes, the Boks lost obviously due to “Plod” or Dippy or both or the whole Goddammed “Fatboys Club”, but some questions have been raised, some valid points made…. Time for answers… If Rugby had a Black Sox moment the truth will out at some stage…. I reckon after this weekend.
14 Oct 2011, 21:33 pm
Nah Boks still did not deserve to lose that game with or without bryce or the whinging, but they did lose it, by inches, nee by millimitres, which is precisely why you want to select your very best since that is more probable that those inches go your way, in this case the Boks partly lucked out but they only got themselves to blame in conceding the inches which made this luck and the ref more of a factor, by not selecting the very best. Its an unforgiving game, rugby is better than roundball in that the better team generally wins, but if you dont select your very best, probabibility, luck and refs come that much more into it.
14 Oct 2011, 21:33 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-428: The Worlds Oldest Three year old… reverting to type… being a duplicitous, hypocritical, repetitive cnt… Your surname not O’Brien by any chance?
14 Oct 2011, 21:36 pm
amazing how these first world highly educated no nonsense scientifically enshrined hard core intellects can flip flop from being the hardy none conforming hard edged factual voices of no nonsense reason, and then in the very next breath… after their team gets shunted out a WC that they automatically assumed they were going to win … absolutely belly flopping softy soapy conspiracy theorists who will leave no stone unturned till they find the tokoloshe clanging away spoiling the party under the bed…
14 Oct 2011, 21:37 pm
@ET.(ET.)-429: Yes, how many times have you posted that ithuvu lempukane?
You make no sense, as usual.
About as credible as a “struggle hero” who spouts off about walking the streets of “Tokoza” Township….?
Where or what is “Tokoza”? The Bang Bang Club used to play in Thokoza.
Farken fraudulent mpukane… thats what you are… ithuvu lempukane.
14 Oct 2011, 21:40 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-432: hey fckface .. you the little whinging two year old cry baby bunting doing all the fckng boo hoo ‘we wuz robbed’ song and dance routine here… who the fck ELSE ?? Little cry baby bunting prickfaced runt who cannot stomach the FACT that his team were ILL prepared for the showdown .. else they would have WON..
The prestige ridden cappy marvelous couldn’t even get THROUGH to the ref on the day.. Brycie simply told Smitty to ‘Go Away’ every time he peeped in his ‘awe’ inspiring voice about how Pocock was stuffing bokkies off their own ball and scoring tries that should never be scored…
14 Oct 2011, 21:40 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-433: Redirect to 425. A reproduction of a post by you…
You total dumfck.
Here’s another one:
506.ashampoopaloo:
12 Oct 2011, 22:42 pm @Robzim(Robzim)-496: Wales and Aussie with Wales taking the ultimate crown.. will be a nice little let down for everyone who reckons they so sh’t hot top of the pops rugger nations on the planet… Won’t mind much either if France take it either.. Wales or France they both deserve it.. they both been contributing to this Russian Roulette merry go round just as much as the others with fokol to show for it yet… Thats if Paddy ‘O Bullfrog will not have anything otherwise to do about it … which I sincerely doubt.. after all like Louis Luyt in 1995 he’s got vested interests in the ultimate outcome..
You, my son, have been exposed as a shameless liar. Nothing less
14 Oct 2011, 21:43 pm
Noakes has put forward an emotive opinion, every human being has emotion, even scientists – the closest u come to an emotionless human is a sociopath. There is a difference between making a personal emotional statement and a scientifically-based one.
14 Oct 2011, 21:44 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-435: Hahahaha, lets change tune by every post… I am Skopskiet, the World’s Oldest Three Year Old… The dumbest one too.
Suppose you have plenty grace stored because of this boundless stupidity… so, very fortunate for you. Very lucky…. As lucky as a SpringBok winning a World Cup, hey?
14 Oct 2011, 21:47 pm
@cab(cab)-437: More people than Noakes with the same converging opinion and not all dumfck “yarpies” either… From Aussies, to Welsh, to English, to French… and even Kiwis (The honest ones).
14 Oct 2011, 21:47 pm
@Hell’s Shame(Helen’s Game)-434:
Is the maggot, flatworm, flukewoorm, roundworm enjoying the warth, humidity and and stinky but nonetheless still nourishment in the central recesses of the cow-dung pat?
Why did you not try Helen’s thick coagulated endometrial shedding it should be the equivalent of your messy Paradise?
You can yet get it from her when you meet her landing in London in a few hours.
14 Oct 2011, 21:48 pm
@cab(cab)-424:
I don’t get it either. The Boks played well; Australia simply played better. (Defence wins World Cups, and all that.) They’ve been playing better for some time, one may add: after all, they gave the Boks a pakslae in South Africa, more than once. Guess those matches were fixed as well, by Noakes’ lights. It would be much more useful to figure out why the Boks could not score a single try with all that possession, and then figure out how to do better next time.
Anyway, weird to see you and Skopskiet agreeing about stuff, all of a sudden. Don’t think I’ve ever seen that before.
14 Oct 2011, 21:49 pm
I got no grace here, Boks have only got themselves to blame here, no-one else.
dont blame the ref or the atmopheric conditions in wellington, its very simply if you dont select your best, you asking for trouble, which is an age-old common-sense natural law of rugby, which is why we dont send the pofadder XV to go compete at RWCs.
14 Oct 2011, 21:51 pm
Out for now… Will be back with more evidence…
PS: What is a hypothesis other than being an opinion? A question? Or an answer before the fact (or evidence)?
Will leave you “Oh so clever” types ’til later.
14 Oct 2011, 21:52 pm
when you’re lost in the rain in New Zealand and its WC time too
and your vanity fails and negativity don’t pull you through
don’t go putting on any airs when you down on Paremata Avenue
they got some hungry Wallabies there and they really make a mess outa you
14 Oct 2011, 21:53 pm
@Thucydides(Thucydides)-441:
janee exactly, i think the Boks did deserve to win sat, which was not the case of all their previous 6 losses where they deserved to lose, but you right you got to give credit to the aussies for the defense and mental grit. I hardly ever agree with ou doos, but he’s right that bismarck, alberts and hougaard should’ve started, and our coaches imo should have had the rugby nous to pick up on that as the lessons became clearer and clearer, most notably the narrowly-avoided welsh debacle – if you dont learn your lessons you deserve to get spanked ek se.
what did you think of the side selected?
14 Oct 2011, 21:57 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-420: His rant was unscientific — you don’t prove a negative.
But he’s only a pseudo-scientist with just one 30-year-old hobbyhorse — called “Burnout” — anyway.
14 Oct 2011, 21:58 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-444:
you have now been exposed as a two faced pisswilly liar with your shrivelled old pizzle hanging in the wind.
go to bed old timer before you embraboer yourself any more.
14 Oct 2011, 22:00 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-446: What’s a null hypothesis then, Einstein…?
LOL…. Wiki doesn’t always give all the answers, hey?
Dumfck.
14 Oct 2011, 22:01 pm
@cab(cab)-445:
Pretty much agree with you about the side selected, especially as far as Bismarck and Hougaard is concerned. Not quite an Alberts fan – seems to be almost as stupid as he is strong, and he seems to be very strong – but he’d certainly have been an improvement on Spies. But yeah, you can’t expect to win tight games in a World Cup if you don’t select the best XV.
Anyway, I’m going out for a few beers – surprisingly nice weather up here in Scandinavia for this time of year, will rather sit outside and talk with beautiful Danish women than stick around here to discuss conspiracy theories with South African men;-)
14 Oct 2011, 22:03 pm
@ET.(ET.)-440: hey ExTraball, i see your SACOS gatgabba wants in on more cash…
to the victors the spoils go.
http://www.iol.co.za/sport/cricket/cricket-fraudster-will-not-back-down-1.1156832?showComments=true
14 Oct 2011, 22:03 pm
@Thucydides(Thucydides)-449:
lol, fair enough on the scandinavian tannies, sounds alot more tempting then re-hashing a fkup of note.
14 Oct 2011, 22:03 pm
@cab(cab)-437: When Noaksie expresses his “emotional” opinion, he still prances about wearing his “scientist” hat. To the gullible and the ignorant, it gives his emotional ranting a veneer of scientific credibility. But only to the gullible and the ignorant, mind you. Astute people see clear through him.
(Why are the corners of Noaksie’s mouth always so spittle-flecked? Rather like old Tutu, come to think of it. Slow rabies?)
14 Oct 2011, 22:08 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-452:
well thats true too, he should have either made clear it was a personal opinion or perhaps made the comment anonomously – but why cant a scientist have a non-rational subjective opinion on something. You blurred it nicely for the rev-up.
14 Oct 2011, 22:08 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-439: Even the Pope — and the hundreds of millions of Catholics — once believed that the sun rotated around a flat earth. And they’d excommunicate anyone who disagreed. They were all wrong. There’s no comfort in numbers when you have to cope with facts.
14 Oct 2011, 22:09 pm
Boks lost the plot a LONG time ago… Boks should never have compromised with Smit over Bismark.. and the hero worshiping even from coaches to players is downright sickening … Spies is still seen as some bloody awe inspiring godhead and Burger some kind of indestructible machine..
Smit is so f’ng PASSE that he cannot even get the ear of the ref any more his own psyche of supremacy has been so utterly shot to ribbons through the incessant spate of LOSS over bloody LOSS he has painfully been leading his team down the bloody drain the past two years…
now they make Burger the absolute man for all seasons ball carrying link and then wonder wtf ACTUALLY happened when Wallabies ride rough shod OVER him when he goes to ground clutching a ball he cannot hang onto and it spills out the WRONG side of the ruck into Samo’s hands who gratefully hands it to his skipper to score the ONLY try of the match which turned out to be the WINNING one AGAINST the run of play…
14 Oct 2011, 22:12 pm
@cab(cab)-453: The article reads “EXPERT… says bla bla”. He trades on his so-called “expertise” and his professorial title, does Noaksie. Just like Tutu, trading on his old clerical title. They spout complete off-the-cuff bollox mostly, but happily pose as “experts”.
14 Oct 2011, 22:14 pm
lol, oh fk old noakes will definitely respond.
he’s right about burnout tho to an extent, tho dunno how ‘hard’ scientific it is, but look at how the SH players are coming down with inkury after a long season.
14 Oct 2011, 22:14 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-454: Yes, and what we may have here is Noakes being rugby’s very own Galileo… The Catholics of Rugby can huff and puff as much as they like but his valid points and questions remain.
Its all out there, Genius.
PS: Don’t forget the null hypothesis. Better run along and go Wiki what that means… chop, chop now
14 Oct 2011, 22:14 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-447: when I require the fckd up pseudo advice of a pitiful little runtcuntqueer then I may consult little pathetic imbecile schmucks the likes of you.. till then you pathetic poefta ponce.. go fck yourself and anyone else you happen to dilly dally frilly fally fancy…
14 Oct 2011, 22:15 pm
Why is eberyone repeating themselves?
14 Oct 2011, 22:16 pm
they dropping like flied in your adopted country, believe richie’s now got sore toosies again.
14 Oct 2011, 22:17 pm
Or is it just extraball.
14 Oct 2011, 22:17 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-459:
shut up you sad old ballsack.
everyone is tired of your impotent tjanking you sad old fairy.
nobody cares ou spuitpoep.
14 Oct 2011, 22:18 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-456:
where you and Noaksie in the same alma mater or the same med science class at UCT .. seems you have an inner urge to discredit him for some upperty intelligentsia gamesmanship reason ?
14 Oct 2011, 22:19 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-463: get fucked fckface I don’t heed your pathetic little squeals of pseudo clever prick ponsified poeftaheid too kindly.. so get fucked schmuck and duck while the going’s still good…
14 Oct 2011, 22:22 pm
A long time ago, Tackler’s forebears thought the World was Flat… Along came Galileo who changed that world view….
Current day, and many Tacklers and other assorted naive, dumbfks think that Rugby and Kiwis are incorruptible… Along came Noakes who may be changing this world view too…
To Null hypothesise or not to Null hypothesise….
“His rant was unscientific — you don’t prove a negative.”
BIG FARKEN BELLYCHORTLES!
14 Oct 2011, 22:25 pm
so who says the world is round… Galileo ???
Its flat as a f’ng pancake.!!!
14 Oct 2011, 22:26 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-465:
pipe down poepbroek before you embraboer yourself anymore.
you sad old shithouse builder.
14 Oct 2011, 22:27 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-464: I believe tackler and noaksie had a run-in on keo many moons ago, tackles clearly still hurting from coming off second best in the skirmish
14 Oct 2011, 22:29 pm
the question is wtf did we not get barnesy rather than brycie?
14 Oct 2011, 22:32 pm
466.Heavens Game said:
>14 Oct 2011, 22:22 pm
>think that Rugby and Kiwis are incorruptible…
Speaking of corrupt Kiwi’s, can you still remember the Kiwi official who screwed us out of the Soccer World Cup, when he was told by the Kiwi Soccer Association to vote for SA, yet he voted for Germany and resigned sholrtly afterwards?
14 Oct 2011, 22:32 pm
Whoosa man?
Whoosa being Nullified?
The World’s Oldest Three year Old being shown up for being the flip-floppety fibby fib fibber he is… Strike One
Keo’s very own Wiki Scientific “expert” Nulled… Strike 2
Cabs fcked in the piesang anyway… So no strike there….
And ExtraTwat shown up for the “Tokoza” walk-the-streets “Freedom fighter” he truly is… Strike 3.
You’re OUT.
And I’m out for now.
Back laters to null hypothesise and generally educate for free. Ta ta
14 Oct 2011, 22:33 pm
@victoriabok(victoriabok)-471: Fukaduk… Thank you very much
Good man!!!
Will be back later. Def out for now.
14 Oct 2011, 22:33 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-469: thats what happens when you get pseudo intellects trying to out maneuver and outwit each other in some intelligentsia war of screwed up intellectual game of one-upmanship that simply do not matter for any real rhyme or reason..
just for the sake of being mistakenly ‘cleverer’ than they think they are… par for the course in intelligentsia ravaged circles..
14 Oct 2011, 22:37 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-472:
you a f’ng hit and run specialist.. you come out your hidey hole with a little klutz of a chukka thinking you scoring a home run.. meanwhile you been bowled out for a f’ng duck.. then you run.. thinking your bases are covered and your wicket is secure.. but you just a whole hypothesis of balderdash.. big wind of empty gushing sound … that is you dumb fck dunce in a nutshell…
14 Oct 2011, 22:43 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-456: If you think our reaction to Bryce Lawrence is bad, can you imagine what the fallout would have been if Andrew Mehrtens hadn’t missed his drop kick from in front of the posts in the last minute of the 1995 WC final after Ed Morrison had strangely disallowed Ruben Kruger’s obvious try. Mandela’s Happy Rainbow World Cup would have been ruined. War would have been declared. Ed Morrison would have been killed after accidentally falling out of a 2nd floor window of the local cop station, whilst “under questioning by Louis Luyt”. And New Zealand would have been nuked.
G-d bless Andrew Mehrtens. But then he is a Saffa, after all.
14 Oct 2011, 22:45 pm
The Null hypothesis very simply states that the hypothesis cannot be proved.
It never sets out to prove or disprove anything.
14 Oct 2011, 22:52 pm
apparently peter de villiers has been reported as saying he is now willing to pick bismarck and that either spies or burger should be made captain, i think the Wee One realised he hitched his ride to the wrong wagon and wants a 2nd chance, but am afraid its all over now. He showed a great deal of loyalty but he needed to be more courageous, it was a massive call such was smit’s influence and smit’s selfishness in this case was partly to blame too, but the result is now carved in stone, and while smit has an RWC and 100+ caps to cling too poor old DeVilliers goes away with nothing. He wasnt a bad coach at all, but everything was so loaded against him that he had to make alliances, which ultimately sank him. I dont blame him at all, one man can only take so much, but he also does not get the rewards from daring to be great.
14 Oct 2011, 22:57 pm
well in this case its one big F’ng NULL and VOID nullified Nil of an argument.. Boks are O.U.T. Out !!! Thanks kindly and respectfully and gratefully worshipful to Mr. F’ng holier than thou awe inspiring leaderless leader of aura inspired Losing mentality and presige…
ALL that garbage leadership couldn’t get us BEYOND the bloody quarters.. SO WTF was all that hair pulling exercise of f’ng gnashing and wailing in aid of … all that f’ng useless experience returned ONE big fat exclusive aura inspired Null and Void LOSS…!!! For fcksake.. we could have had a youthful inexperienced go getting team like Aussie did and perhaps done better than that..
14 Oct 2011, 22:58 pm
@ET.(ET.)-477: You have to refute the null hypothesis.
Rather than trying to prove your hypothesis (the alternative), in simple terms, you show the null (negative) hypothesis is likely to be wrong…
Stats 101…
In other words it is science, to all intents and purposes for this little non-discussion, my little “Tokoza” walking ExtraThuvu….
Maybe Noakes was actually being too scientific for dumfcks such as yourself when he was asking the IRB to refute his Null Hypothesis….
(Please note: “Refute” does not equal to “prove”. The Null hypothesis by its very nature can never be proven.)
Bahla, ithuvu lempukane… again! Haibo!
14 Oct 2011, 22:58 pm
@cab(cab)-478:
The highway is for gamblers better use your sense
take what you have gathered from coincidence
the sky too is falling under you
and its all over now
baby blue
14 Oct 2011, 23:01 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-481: The sky has fallen on you too, chicken little….
14 Oct 2011, 23:01 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-481:
yeah its a complete fkup, but im still bitter about it all, and everyone is now just moving on.
its bladdy poor stuff allround, bismark must surely be wondering wtf its all about.
he must actually publich a blerry book or two here.
14 Oct 2011, 23:04 pm
@cab(cab)-478: Smit was simply one big fat lardass of an albatross weight around his poor neck too f’ng HEAVY. !!
Aura inspired f’ng lardy dah cappy f’ng marvelous that could only LOSE every time he donned the green and gold and led this f’ng team from the f’ng REAR arse end.. it was a LOSS staring Boks in the face.. as it turned out once again unfortunately in the end..
De Villiers gets NO second chance.. he made his alliances and his compromises and he FCKD it UP..
ALL he had to do was kick Smit OUT and his path would have been paved with Gold.. instead he let the f’ng Aura enriched weight of f’ng LEAD sink his hopes and dreams and even his poor unsuspecting soul…
14 Oct 2011, 23:05 pm
Enjoy the warmth, humid, loaded with nourishment centres of the cow-dung pats you thrive in.
Few, if any, are at your low questionable levels.
14 Oct 2011, 23:06 pm
And whats more, whether you refer to him as Barney, Plod, Fatboy or whatever else, John Smit has and will be elevated to the Bok pantheon as one of SA Rugby’s greatest Captains… Whether you like it or not.
He has history and facts on his side, not garbled gobbledigook to the contrary…
A true great, OUR Barney.
14 Oct 2011, 23:07 pm
And whats more, if the IRB don’t act soon to disprove otherwise, then RWC 2011 will forever be known as the Reffing World Cup… or worse… the Rigged World Cup.
14 Oct 2011, 23:08 pm
Like Mallet fckd up with Teichman.. PdV fckd up with Smit
Only this time the fckup was in reverse..
Mallet should have kept Teichman for the sake of the team.. and PdV should have booted Smit OUT for all the f’ng cancerous weight of selfish lard that he was worth…
14 Oct 2011, 23:08 pm
Is it possible that HG has rendered extraball null and void.
14 Oct 2011, 23:10 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-484:
i dont care about smit’s arse, i want to know why he wrote this whole fkn book explaining in intricate detail of the type of team player he is knowing his own linitations, down-to-earth, etc etc – and then as sure as nuts he does not put the team first by stepping aside but starts over what EVERYONE knows to be the best hooker in the world.
In his book smit goes onto recount an anecdote about ollie le roux acting as if the Natal team of the time was his team as the senior player and all that, well what the hell kind of a Springbok team was THIS?
14 Oct 2011, 23:11 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-489: ExtraThuvu, Dawny, ExtraThuvu… He should know what that means… especially as a Freedom Fighter who has walked “Tokoza” township with his very own manyathelas…
14 Oct 2011, 23:12 pm
agmefok, i hate this ****, out.
14 Oct 2011, 23:12 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-486: HG, I see you mentioned earlier in the thread about refs controlling a game where the winner will meet the ref’s national side… hate to burst your bubble but that is exactly what barnes did in 07, knowing England where through from the earlier game..
try another angle… 2007 2 penalties conceded by the French in 80 minutes of rugby, with NZ having 70% possession (like SA in this years 1/4)..
dont recall you ever mentioning that game as being fixed? rather that the ABs chked and the ref got it right that day..
stop moaning and suck it up big fella…
14 Oct 2011, 23:12 pm
@cab(cab)-483:
Bismark and Matfield will let rip in some book or publication sometime or other..
if Keohane is really smart he’ll climb on the Bismark wagon and cut the likes of Butchy boy and Watson adrift.. far more juicy inside stories where Bismark is concerned of how he got sidelined by an overrated hopeless cappy raccoon than the cushy little nonentity hero worshiping that Butch or Luke can drum up still…
14 Oct 2011, 23:19 pm
> 471.victoriabok said:
>think that Rugby and Kiwis are incorruptible…
> Speaking of corrupt Kiwi’s, can you still remember the Kiwi official who screwed us out of the
> Soccer World Cup, when he was told by the Kiwi Soccer Association to vote for SA, yet he voted
> for Germany and resigned sholrtly afterwards?
Charlie Dempsey, that was the old coot that screwed us out of a World Cup
14 Oct 2011, 23:20 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-480: lmao @ “Extrathuvi” yo yo yo…i’ve seen insults on this forum but this takes tge ExTra cake…
hahahahahaha
14 Oct 2011, 23:26 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-493: There we go. Maybe the possible rigging goes back further than 2011… Except in 2007 it wasn’t as clearly obvious as now.
Not just with the SA vs Aus match, but the Georgia vs Arg, the France vs NZ and I am sorry to say the Wales vs SA match too… amongst others. What price the NZ vs Aus match? And even the Fra vs Wales match to come?
And dont forget the absolute filth allowed in the Samoa match which SA happened to win. Funnily enough even the Samoans thought something was not right there.
IRB has a reffing directive according to some commentators. Why do they disobey their own directives?
There are many, many gremlins running around at the moment to the extent of “something is happening here… what it is, aint egg-sa-cally clear”
Its only going to get worse if the IRB don’t nip this in the bud right now.
14 Oct 2011, 23:26 pm
Yep, he’s gone. Nulled and voided.
14 Oct 2011, 23:29 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-496: Lol. See now, I have practically sha.t the farker right out from my very own g.at… One ExtraThuvi… The Big One, Hayi!
14 Oct 2011, 23:33 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-497: wasnt as clearly obvious? is that your delusion perhaps? France went something like 50 minutes without conceding a penalty, not ONE in the entire second half, yet that wasnt obvious? lmao
face it, if Smit had opted for taking the kick at poles you guys may have been lining up against us this weekend, as it was he decided to kick for the corners…
now the shoes on the other foot your claiming the injustice of it all, why the sudden flip flop?
I do recall mentioning BEFORE the tournament that it will happen to SA one day in a WC, and I’d love to see the reaction if it does… sometimes we get to have our cake and eat it too
14 Oct 2011, 23:38 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-500: Yeah, but the wrongs perceived or otherwise in 2007 were only from NZ…Only. 2011 is not the same… you have quite a few commentators from different nationalities calling into question the competence and even honesty of not only refs but the organisation of reffing on the whole…
And its only going to get worse after this weekend… Guaranteed.
Its either Rigged or farken Incompetent…. No two ways about it. A pity because the atmosphere around the tournament has been very good.
14 Oct 2011, 23:41 pm
@victoriabok(victoriabok)-495: Ja, thats him… Charlie Dempsey… Wonder if he got involved with Rugby World Cup 2011 after his retirement from football….
14 Oct 2011, 23:41 pm
Whateverrrrrrr.
The fact that Bryce won’t be reffing anytime soon speaks volumes.
14 Oct 2011, 23:43 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-501: Oh, there were as many critics of Wayne Barnes and that missed forward pass from every nation interested in RWC back in 2007, pilgrim. But it’s not changed a thing. Barnes is back — even with NZ’s Paddy O’Brien as his boss. Bet your house on Bryce Lawrence being back too. Just like Stu Dickenson was back and back and back again until it was he himself who called it quits.
14 Oct 2011, 23:43 pm
HG, Victoriabok
corruption?
surely the 95 host nation having people sweep water of the field of play so the semi final could even take place (due to the small matter of the host nation being eliminated if the game was abandoned) was a gold watch worthy performance…
so perhaps we should have all been up in arms then, and we may not have had the situation we now have… any thoughts?
14 Oct 2011, 23:43 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-503: Speaks volumes, it certainly does… Early retirement with a nice little nest egg stashed in a HK, Singapore or Macau Bank account.
14 Oct 2011, 23:44 pm
Bryce might very well be reffing in the unlikely event of the final being played between France/Wales and Australia. Don’t exclude the possibility!
14 Oct 2011, 23:45 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-499:
and here I was being fooled into thinking you in ‘his corner’… you got his back or some such malevolent menopausal maneuver of mutual admiration…
the ebony and ivory fallout has erupted and when two star crossed lovers have collided and expunged the others expectations then hell hath no f’ng fury like that of a woman or a poefta so scorned where his or her vested interest of emotional co dependency has been shattered into a far flung myth..
poor f’ng dears.. you know what they say about familiarity.. it breeds CONTEMPT..
Well now you know… ONE further lesson learned for dumb fck fools such as you .. just like that awe inspired lesson of learning to LOSE with humility and dignity you haven’t quite learned yet..
Now you know for absolute certain that.. FAMILIARITY breeds CONTEMPT..
14 Oct 2011, 23:47 pm
In that scenario we definitely won’t be seeing him.
14 Oct 2011, 23:49 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-505: Yeah, maybe… But its high time the rigging stops… Now. Before irreversible damage is done forever to the game of Rugby…
From
- Threats of boycott
- Unfair citings
- Poor at best, rigged at worst, referee ratings and selection
- Incompetent at best and corrupt at worst referee performances
- Slap on the wrist for blatant cheating of teams like England
And on… and on
Wait till tomorrow and the next day… Kings Park Durban and Wayne Barnes circa 2007 will have nothing on what we are yet to see… Nothing!
Its going to be like watching a Car Crash in slo mo… We all know whats going to happen.
14 Oct 2011, 23:49 pm
Never mind corruption he just looked winded, portly and out of his depth.
14 Oct 2011, 23:53 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-487: The rest of the rugby world really doesn’t give a brass razoo about the conspiratorially-lunatic views of a mere quarter-final loser, you know? They didn’t care when it was the #1 ranked NZ griping in 2007 and they sure as hell don’t care now it’s only the #3 (or #4) ranked yarpies grizzling in 2011. Pack up your troubles in your old kit-bag and smile, smile, smile, pilgrim. Grow a chin.
14 Oct 2011, 23:53 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-508: Ja, well why dont you take your own advice, fuknut…
Don’t try get familiar with me, contemptible creature or I will treat you with the contempt you deserve.
14 Oct 2011, 23:55 pm
Wazzup tackler we be moanin’ mon.
Let us!
14 Oct 2011, 23:55 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-511: He is a very porky chap — even more rotund than the hefty John Smit, albeit a tad shorter. Maybe he was once a prop and knows the dark arts of the front row? Hardly any refs even have a faint clue.
14 Oct 2011, 23:56 pm
Just face FACTS.. Rugby has NEVER been a fair reflection of a sport where the ref is all squeaky clean as a whistle straight and fair as a dye in a aerospace engineering facility.. it has ALWAYS been as crooked as a bloody rigged resplendence of non respectability where the ref can with one little wrong puff on his penny whistle send any team down the chute and out the tournament with his petty innermost pangs of bias pretty much protected and intact…
gotta ride the rough with the smooth in this archaic game of barbaric bamboozling where the team with all the supremacy gets fckd over wholly by the team with all the smarts..
The moral of the story is simply don’t get caught with your pants down or else the ref and his penny whistle will give you a right royal rogering where you least expected it and when you quite surprisingly thought all was fair in love and war it quite categorically ain’t.
14 Oct 2011, 23:57 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-512: Is that a Null hypothesis…?
+++++++++++++++heavingburpingbellyguffaws+++++++++++++++
Feeling scorned, Hypatia… Keo’s very own Lady of Scientific “expertise”?
14 Oct 2011, 23:58 pm
Am out for now…
14 Oct 2011, 23:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-517: If the operative hypothesis is unproven, it is indeed.
15 Oct 2011, 00:01 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-513: get fucked you miserable cn’t you such a despicable schmuck.. when all and sundry were warning you how pathetically you were opening up your wide puffed up arrogance for a fall.. you were so sure of your dumb fck self.. now you still haven’t learned no lessons .. whether they be of contemptible familiarity, or of dumb fck ignorant hero worship, or that pseudo pathetic lesson of learning to lose with humility and dignity which you most certainly don’t have the vaguest clue of what that lesson is all about YET !!
Pathetic morose mind fckd miserable moron dunce of all dunces that you dumb fck moegoe still are…
15 Oct 2011, 00:02 am
@ET.(ET.)-477: xakely
15 Oct 2011, 00:02 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-519: The alternative, you mean… or just the hypothesis… “Operative” has nothing to do with it…
Go find another Wiki, because the page you’re using is doing you a disservice.
15 Oct 2011, 00:03 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-520: asham, eat your vindaloo and be quiet.
15 Oct 2011, 00:04 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-520: And you need to learn respect for your superiors… Like Barney… and definitely me.
aus
15 Oct 2011, 00:05 am
> 502.Heavens Game said:
> Ja, thats him… Charlie Dempsey… Wonder if he got involved with Rugby World Cup 2011 after his retirement from football….
No, the ******* vrekked in 2008, at least he’ll be warm where he’s now
15 Oct 2011, 00:09 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-522: Noaksie foams at the mouth. Hypothesis = he has rabies. Procedure = test for rabies. Outcome = he does not have rabies. Operative Hypothesis unproven. Null Hypothesis applied = Noaksie isn’t rabid.
Form new Operative hypothesis = Noaksie had over-active saliva glands. Procedure = test salivary output and compare to standardised averages. Outcome = he does drool significantly more than average (3 standard deviations) New operative hypothesis proven.
He’s a heavy drooler.
15 Oct 2011, 00:13 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-526: Scientific method according to Tackler… Arseaboutface… Evidence beyond doubt.
15 Oct 2011, 00:16 am
aus (out) for sure… will be back with new evidence tomorrow to help Galileo Noakes on his Quixotic expedition…
15 Oct 2011, 00:19 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-523: @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-524:
two pathetic schmucks thinking and believing they are superior
how pathetically mind bewilderingly boring
imbeciles who think by some magnificent excuse or accident of nature that they are bestowed with superior intellect to another
dumb fck imbecilic dunces.. the pair of them sparring and parrying, cutting and thrusting their pathetically inordinate and inarticulate intellects as if they have some vestige of relevancy to assume their superiority.. which is an absolute falsity of non intelligent self indulgent pathetically aggrandized worth..
15 Oct 2011, 00:22 am
Ryan those glasses are the worst!!
COME ON WALESSSS!
15 Oct 2011, 00:29 am
Peter Fitzsimmons has just published this hilarious letter to New Zealand in the Sydney Morning
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/teams/australia/5790180/Please-choke-Yours-Sincerely-Peter-Fitz
Hes calling the game with Buck Shelford on Maori Television in New Zealand.
“Buck” shelford has been in the papers saying he wont take any **** from Fitzy on Sunday. He reckons that his All Black team loved to give him a touch up during a test match. Fitzsimmons reckons he used to win the fight lose the game.
Thats why more people have watched live RWC rugby on Maori TV the youngest and smallest channel in NZ than any other NZ broadcaster including Sky.
They have simply got the best commentary teams.The rest are the same old same old .Maori TVs Baabaas approach has been a winner
Gavin Hastings has been the quality voice of the NH on the channel , Mark Ella, Pat Lam, Kees Meeus have been the most knowledgeable .Keith Quinn who every other broadcaster had politely called “yesterdays man” has bought his A game from over 250 tests experience and is calling the Wales v France semi with Fitzsimmonds.
Its the broadcasting equivalent of Samoa winning the Rugby World Cup
15 Oct 2011, 00:52 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-528: Evidence? Hehehehe… Noaksie couldn’t tell evidence from a mongrel dog until he got a bite on the leg. And then he’d mistake it for a crocodile.
15 Oct 2011, 01:21 am
Have all the Immortals left the building ?
15 Oct 2011, 02:39 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-516: “straight and fair as a dye”? A colourant?
Or a “die”? (a machine tool)
15 Oct 2011, 03:52 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-532: He’s a Professor, you’re a mongrel and get mistaken for a crocodile all the time.
In the end its part of the master-plan and needed to be done. There was no other way for AB’s to get past in-form Boks. In 87 SA were banned, in 2011 the ref had to do it. Doesn’t matter if he doesn’t ref again, his package will take care of it .. no doubt all tax free too.
15 Oct 2011, 03:52 am
Vrede those sunglasses don’t suit you ek se.
Aus did beat NZ for the tri nations, no reason why they can’t repeat, especially as Carter is MIA.
Both matches too close to call though. At least they get decent reffing, unlike the Boks.
15 Oct 2011, 04:17 am
LOL! All this talk about Noakes and noone has bothered to read that he is renneged on the spurious and unfounded matchfixing allegations. His new spin is
“My letter] was merely to indicate that this particular game would prove a landmark case in the future history of the Rugby World Cup since it appeared as if refereeing decisions determined, in no small measure, the outcome of the game.”
Sheeesh! What a douche. Oh well Saffer fanboys. Stand proud. The epic 6 day whinge continues
15 Oct 2011, 05:22 am
@Nuk3Fr33k1w1(Nuk3Fr33k1w1)-537: Yep. Noaksie sobered up and realised he’d fired off a missive chockful of high-grade bollox and now he’s had to claw back what’s left of his tattered reputation after pressing SEND. Poor old Noaksie, hey? Professor of Metacrapology.
15 Oct 2011, 05:28 am
@TheBoksAreBack(bringbacktheboks)-535: What “in form Boks”? They lost 5 of their 6 3N tests, squeaked past lowly Wales by only one point, got out of jail against even lowlier Samoa and got their hopes all apple-pie-in-the-sky high by clobbering the easiest of easybeats — wee Namibia.
Doesn’t add up to “in-form” in this pilgrim’s form guide.
And, yes. The Boks are back.
Back home. Early.
15 Oct 2011, 06:16 am
Have the Immortals returned yet ?
Surely Immortals never sleep, dont they have injustices to resolve ?
15 Oct 2011, 09:19 am
Off to the Garden of Eden to watch the Mortals
how positively boring.
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